Snape in the end...

[sportymerc]

Hi, i am new to here and i dont know if this has been mentioned before or not, but does anyone here believe that by the end that snape will either save harry's life or sacrifice himself to save harry?

[redman]

yeah that's what i thought after i read OOTP.

[hpk37067]

Yeah, it looks like that will happen. Snape seems to hate Harry because of his parentage and everyone comments on him being exactly like his father. But more less, it is probably going to happen.

[QT_Pie]

After reading the 5th book, I have begun to appreciate Snape as a whole character. All along, I saw him as the mean professor, but now I can see why he acts the way he does. I think he's one of the most misunderstood characters in the whole series. He's not a nice person, but he's not a bad guy.

[HeadHunter]

i am going to hold the jury out for this one...we will see in the end but i agree that i feel snape has a bigger part to play in thins one

[hpk37067]

Snape definately has a huge part to play. And he may finally accept that Harry is not his father.

[Laterose]

he will, it will just take him awhile

[hpk37067]

True.

[Laterose]

Infact, Harry and Snape may not get along too bad by the end of the series

[hpk37067]

Maybe. But Snape might die also.

[Laterose]

at the end of the series.

[HeadHunter]

i reckon that voldie will get a nuke and destroy the earth killing all

[pickledonions]

errr... maybe. maybe.

The last chapter in the 7th book will, i think, have all the remaining important people fighting either: each other ( like the dueling at the end of OOTP, or both side will be fighting for the same thing, eg, a ultimate goal....to save or kill Dumbledore. ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?

[que_SuertE777]

Originally posted by sportymerc
does anyone here believe that by the end that snape will either save harry's life or sacrifice himself to save harry?

I was thinking something along those lines, but instead of it being Snape who saves Harry, I think it might be Pettigrew. Besides, Pettigrew owes him.

[LOTRfan]

i agree... see my theory in the laterose reation thread near the top of pg. 4. However it would be good for Snape to get over the "Potter-saving-him" thing by doing something.

[que_SuertE777]

Yes, it would. But, shouldn't Snape and Harry be kinda even since Snape did stuff in the past (grudgingly) to help Harry? E.g. the first book, Snape trying to save Harry from Quirrell.

[LOTRfan]

key word -"trying"
poor guy...kept trying to get it over with. I think he needs to physically save him once and for all. Like when he's actually in danger (think third book)

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by pickledonions
The last chapter in the 7th book will, i think, have all the remaining important people fighting either: each other ( like the dueling at the end of OOTP, or both side will be fighting for the same thing, eg, a ultimate goal....to save or kill Dumbledore. ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?

I think the last chapter will be an epilogue like at the end of every Harry Potter book, summing up everything.

[que_SuertE777]

Yes, all the books start with the summer before school and end with Harry saying good bye to everyone at Platform Nine and Three-Quarters.

[Phoenix14]

I hope that harry does not die at the end of the 7th book and maybe J.K.Rowling might get the urge to write a couple about what harry is doing after Hogwarts(if he makes it past)

[pickledonions]

I've been thinking about the possablity of more books after Harry's "school days books".
Maybe she'll carry on and tell us about Harry WHEN he becomes an Auror?

(snape might battle voldy, trying to protect ether Harry or Dumbledore......and he'll loose...)

[jared2402]

Yeah, I really don't get Snape. One minute I think he's great, then next i'm Loathing him. He's a hard charcter to categorize.

[Laterose]

very confusing, indeed

[pickledonions]

Snape is really deep down, a good guy, (Well his an very important memmber of the Order) but he's from a Pure blood family who hates Mudbloods, that mixed with him being bulied at school just makes him a nasty bloke. He was pushed into being a DeathEater because of his hate for James and co... that and Voldy knew he was a fantasic wizard....

[Laterose]

we don't know his background

[Mobycat]

Snape is vulnerable to Voldemort. He must be. Rowling warned in the Albert Hall interview not to get too fond of Snape. She said something along the lines of "I'd keep an eye on him."

[Laterose]

that don't mean too much

[pickledonions]

We dont know his back ground but the things i said..we do know. He is from a proud pure blood family, he was bullied at school, and he became a Death-Eater. BUT he's on the good-guy's side... i think he's misunderstood... but as for Rowling saying to keep an eye on him... i think that in the next two books, he'll be tempted to rejoin Voldy and mean it !!!!

[Laterose]

we don't know for sure if Snape's a pureblood

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by Mobycat
Snape is vulnerable to Voldemort. He must be. Rowling warned in the Albert Hall interview not to get too fond of Snape. She said something along the lines of "I'd keep an eye on him."

when was that??

[moviegeek]

hey, even if he goes to the dark side i'll still like him

[pickledonions]

Originally posted by Laterose
we don't know for sure if Snape's a pureblood

oh...i though that it mentioned in OotP. Either by Padfoot or Lupin, when Harry is asking about his Father being a bully. Oh.. i may be worng...

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by HeadHunter
when was that??

A week or two ago, iirc.

The passage from the interview:

Stephen Fry: "Yes, and even in the books there is a certain flair. Most characters like Snape are hard to love but there is a sort of ambiguity — you can’t quite decide - something sad about him — lonely and it’s fascinating when you think he’s going to be the evil one a party from Voldemort obviously in the first book then slowly you get this idea he’s not so bad after all."

Rowling: "Yes but you shouldn’t think him too nice. It is worth keeping an eye on old Severus definitely!"

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by Mobycat
Stephen Fry:

my mate looks like a younger Stephen Fry.....we like to remind him of this when ever possible

[pickledonions]

unlucky friend Headhunter..Ive a friend that look just like a young George Best. Funny.

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by pickledonions
unlucky friend Headhunter..Ive a friend that look just like a young George Best. Funny.

hehe...i wonder which is wrost

[pickledonions]

Stephen Fry...without a 2nd moment's thought.

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by pickledonions
Stephen Fry...without a 2nd moment's thought.

hehe i will say that to my mate :D

[pickledonions]

Originally posted by HeadHunter
hehe i will say that to my mate :D

good. Was it said the Snape's family is pure blood?

[HeadHunter]

I never remembered them saying that i think that everyone is assuming

[pickledonions]

Oh...I'm gonna read over the chapters went Harry looking in Snape memories and the one when his heads in the fire, talking to Lupin and his godfather. I quite sure it's said... But then again i;ve been very wrong in the past.. Which loads of people have put me straight...so. I'll keep you up-dated. ;)

[Laterose]

Originally posted by pickledonions
oh...i though that it mentioned in OotP. Either by Padfoot or Lupin, when Harry is asking about his Father being a bully. Oh.. i may be worng...
I'll check it out....

[Mobycat]

How could he *not* be pureblood? He was a deatheater, after all. Would Malfoy actually associate with him if he wasn't pureblood?

[Laterose]

He could be a half blood but just hates his muggle family.

[HeadHunter]

i dont think it works that way...i think you have to be PUREBREAD

[pickledonions]

Yeah.. like i thought.

He's just been p!ssed off since childhood...but he's been redeemed some how. (Probably dumbledore is involved in that somehow.) He's a good guy, just with a bad past.

(Not like Darth Vader thou!!) :mad:

What do you guy think?

[LOTR RING]

When Snape breaks into Harrys memory he see's Dudly bullying him. Snape asks who the boy was. Did Sanape want to rub it in or did he kind of feel sorry for how Harry was bullied just like him in his childhood?

[HeadHunter]

prolly shocked that there was a pig walking on two feet

[pickledonions]

Originally posted by LOTR RING
When Snape breaks into Harrys memory he see's Dudly bullying him. Snape asks who the boy was. Did Sanape want to rub it in or did he kind of feel sorry for how Harry was bullied just like him in his childhood?

Its possible that he might start seeing Harry as Snape was... But for the time being i think he enjoyed knowing that Harry was unhappy in the hoildays. I think there is a strong connection between Harry and Snape because of this bullieing thing.. it will be a big thing in book 6. Harry will not hate snape half as much, i feel. What do you think?

[Ethan_hunt]

Rowling telling us to keep an eye on Snape is just an example of her marketing her book. I think Snape will always have a dark air of mystery surrounding his character and it's best if she really keeps us thinking that. We're always like "he's good and we're growing to like him, BUT, he used to be bad." It's what Rowling wants us to do, and her saying to keep an eye on him is just an example. IMO, he's good and will play a HUGE roll later on.

Also, LATEROSE, you're posts are sweet. Might be a bunch of bull, but sweet none the less. I was wondering, what do you think of Harry's mother? Can you give me anything that you can see popping up in the future involving her? Or any clues?

[Laterose]

Originally posted by HeadHunter
i dont think it works that way...i think you have to be PUREBREAD
Voldemort wasn't a pureblood

[pickledonions]

Originally posted by Laterose
Voldemort wasn't a pureblood

But he did'nt tell the Death eaters that. Malfoy is shocked and doesn't beleave Harry when he shouts that at him and the other female deatheater at the end of OotP. He has kept it from them. Thats why he hates Mudbloods and such like (see the end of CoS), he's jealous.

[bonfire62]

I think that Harry would be like Snape now if he had been put in slytherin.

[MidgetNazgul2]

I am also betting that Snape is going to die, as sad as it is...he's one of my favorites. As for Harry getting to know Snape and like him...well...I have my doubts about that. I can see a definite connection between them, though. I also would have my money on a Weasely dying, either Ron or Percy.

Speaking of which, what about Percy? What's going to happen to him now?

[redman]

there's a few previous threads about percy, but ehhh who could be bothered trying to find them. Percy IMO is gonna realise that he's been a prick by betraying his family and return to the weasley household but I dont think everyone will forgive him.

Snape, even though harry hates him, he's a character u love to hate, whereas a character like umbridge u just hate.

I too agree that snape's gonna bite the dust at the end of book 7, but i hope JKR throws us a curve ball.

[Laterose]

Though I haven't seen any "evidence" to suggest Snape's death, I'm going to have to agree with you guys.

[MidgetNazgul2]

I agree with you, redman, about not everyone forgiving Percy. Of course, Mrs. Weasley will welcome him with open arms again, and probably Mr. Weasely too, but the other kids, especially Ron because Percy told him to ditch Harry...well, yeah.

[Stands Alone]

Each time I read about Snape, I get a feeling like he is hiding something, or being evil for a reason. I really can't discribe what I see in it, but thats how I feel.

[Laterose]

Can somebody read the orginal description of Snape and report back on what it says? I have a theory, but somebody has my copy of HP#1 right now.

[HeadHunter]

i ahev the book but i cant find the description of him in it

[Seraph333]

I know this sounds really really weird. But everytime i think of Snape I always think he could always be Voldemort. But then again that would make no sense at all because im pretty sure he was teaching when Tom Riddle was a student.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Seraph333
I know this sounds really really weird. But everytime i think of Snape I always think he could always be Voldemort. But then again that would make no sense at all because im pretty sure he was teaching when Tom Riddle was a student.

No, he couldn't have been teaching when Riddle was a student - he's much younger than Voldemort. He was in James' class (or within a few years of it) - they were students at the same time. Riddle is around Hagrid's age.

[WebMonkey]

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2001/06/wotc/snape-small.jpg

[WebMonkey]

Hey, guys.
I found a kinder-cool Snape fan site. Take a look:

http://jareth.com/severus.html

It not bad, but there must be better. Does anyone else know of any?

[HeadHunter]

hehe
http://jareth.com/SnapeCheer.gif

http://jareth.com/rivalclubs.html

http://www.angelfire.com/wy/sirius/

[que_SuertE777]

That's kinda scary. It looks like Snape got drunk at a party and went wild.

[hpk37067]

Or maybe...........he's totally lame!

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by bonfire62
I think that Harry would be like Snape now if he had been put in slytherin.
I'm not so sure of that. Are you saying that to account for Snape's disposition? That Slytherin made him that way? I don't think that's necessarily true. Granted environment affects your outlook on life or your tendencies. But it doesn't have to change who you are. I think Harry could keep his freedom of mind...like Victor Frankl (sp?) did. He was a concentration camp survivor who kept alive his hope rather than despairing. He kept his values and did little things like sharing his slab of bread with those who needed it more than he. Instead of becoming heartless like his captors, he opened his mind and didn't blame them. I think Harry could have acted similarly if he was thrust into the Slytherin House. Not all Slytherins turn out bad...its that "there's not a single wizard that went bad who wasn't in Slytherin." So all the bad ones came from Slytherin, not the other way around. I think Harry would have risen above the pettiness of his fellow members and may have brought dignity back to the house name.

[que_SuertE777]

Snape can't be all bad, can he? He's probably just bitter because of what James and the whole gang did to him, and maybe he had a bad childhood. Anyway, LOTRfan is right. Harry wouldn't have ended up like the rest of the Slytherins if he was sorted into that house. He would've just been miserable in it. IMO, the sorting hat couldn't decide which house to put him in because of the link to Voldie. Technically it's not really Harry that the hat wanted to put into Slytherin, but what Voldemort left in Harry. So, I think that Harry wouldn't have faired well in Slytherin because it's not where he belongs, but he if he was in Slytherin, he would've been the same good-ol'-Harry Potter that we have come to love as a Gryffindor.

[Stands Alone]

Originally posted by HeadHunter
prolly shocked that there was a pig walking on two feet

LOL. Or dressed in clothes.

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
I'm not so sure of that. Are you saying that to account for Snape's disposition? That Slytherin made him that way? I don't think that's necessarily true. Granted environment affects your outlook on life or your tendencies. But it doesn't have to change who you are. I think Harry could keep his freedom of mind...like Victor Frankl (sp?) did. He was a concentration camp survivor who kept alive his hope rather than despairing. He kept his values and did little things like sharing his slab of bread with those who needed it more than he. Instead of becoming heartless like his captors, he opened his mind and didn't blame them. I think Harry could have acted similarly if he was thrust into the Slytherin House. Not all Slytherins turn out bad...its that "there's not a single wizard that went bad who wasn't in Slytherin." So all the bad ones came from Slytherin, not the other way around. I think Harry would have risen above the pettiness of his fellow members and may have brought dignity back to the house name.

But if you're captured by someone, would you really want to be like them? He was just a nice guy who did nice things. If Harry was in Slytherin, his environment would affect him because he doesn't know anything. He has no clue about who to trust or not to and the such. Victor here knew there was a war happening so he had hope. Harry would have been clueless.

[LOTRfan]

Its true Harry may have been unaware of who to trust but I think its not in him to be mean to other students for no reason like the Slytherins are. I think he'd see himself in those that his House members attempted to taunt (back from his Dudley poundings of way-back-when) and would try to put a stop to it nevertheless.

[hpk37067]

That's assuming that the environment doesn't affect him. It's like saying that every good parent will have a good child. That's not always the case. Something, whether genetically or environmentally, is going to change them. No, Harry would definately change if Harry went to Slytherin.

[LOTRfan]

but he already had a strong sense of himself. (speaking hypothetically as if he did get put in slyhterin) Its not just gonna fall out the window because the people he has to live with are all jerks. He never wanted to be in Slytherin cuz he didn't want to be around people who are characteristically dark. So thus, he could be civil to them but he didn't have to become their best friends. After all, people date those from other houses so what's to say Harry couldn't have still been friends with ppl like Ron and Hermione?

[hpk37067]

He wouldn't have been able to hang out with them as much as he does.

[LOTRfan]

yes, yes. All true. It would have been an awful atrocity.

[hpk37067]

Absolutely. Let's have a new topic. Internal combustion was neither internal nor combustion.

[LOTRfan]

you just get weirder and weirder. And by the way...HARRY CAN DELVE INTO OTHER'S MINDS. He's just not aware of his abilities yet.:p

[que_SuertE777]

Gina, if you were a HP character I bet you would be Harry's manager/agent... you know more about him than he does himself...

[Laterose]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
you just get weirder and weirder. And by the way...HARRY CAN DELVE INTO OTHER'S MINDS. He's just not aware of his abilities yet.:p

*remains in awe* That means....HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!! I've got it!!! I've figured it out!!!! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

*does small victory dance*

[Ethan_hunt]

What are you talking about? Please share something. You don't have to give away your big conclusion but . . . something.

[Laterose]

LOTRfan has just given me the pattern JK's gonna use!!!! Now I can figure out the ending!

[HeadHunter]

Really i dont want to know how it ends till i read it...

[Laterose]

I won't post anything then, I was just really excitied.

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by Laterose
I won't post anything then, I was just really excitied.

you can post it if you want...i willjust hunt you down if it turns out to be true J/K

[Laterose]

I'm not posting it, because I'm still working on it.

But you don't know where I live :p

[Ethan_hunt]

Laterose, I'm the kind of person who likes to know things. If you get to a point where you've figured some things out, send some clues people's ways. You don't have to give away all your hard work, but send some clues, like you have done in the past. It'd be greatly appreciated, as with most of your posts.

[Laterose]

Thank you :)

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by Laterose
LOTRfan has just given me the pattern JK's gonna use!!!! Now I can figure out the ending!
If you want more in depth info on that go to the official reaction thread somewhere around pg. 7 i believe. There was a very lengthy debate about why he can and such. It was basically sone and myself against hpk and timninja. So it should help you further. Now now...I'm glad I helped you and all but I don't want to give up stuff that you will then use your genius to connect to your massive theory without giving us something. How bout: What about what I said has to do with the ending? that specific ability, the fact that he has hidden skill, the fact that it may have been passed to him through voldemort or...?

[hpk37067]

It depends on whether Legilimency is a genetic type thing. Because the curse that failed seemed to have given Harry abilities like Parseltongue, determination, ingenuity, and the such. But those things are traits and not learned things, just natural. So if that curse that failed can transfer not only traits, but learned things, then everything is cool and Harry is a Legili thing. You know.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
Now now...I'm glad I helped you and all but I don't want to give up stuff that you will then use your genius to connect to your massive theory without giving us something. How bout: What about what I said has to do with the ending? that specific ability, the fact that he has hidden skill, the fact that it may have been passed to him through voldemort or...?
This skill is extremely important. If he has this skill, it may lead to other skills similiar to this and if he has these skills, JK may be using a certain sci-fi pattern I didn't think she was going to use anymore, but it seems she will.

[hpk37067]

I think that even if she goes off on a tangent and gives Harry the power of Legilimency, it would be kinda random. I mean, he already has enough skills as it is. We can't have the hero just be the perfect person with everything given to him.

[Bambi]

On the whole Legilimency thing: an interesting point brought up by a friend of mine. When Harry talks to Snape, he sort of tells him not to mess with Voldie's thoughts, and Harry argues back something like '...it is not my job , it is your job, right?' in an accusatory voice. Snape responds calmly : 'Yes, that's my job.' I thught at first he just wanted to close the argument and was being sarcastic, but then Snape never was the one to make jokes. What if he spoke the truth, and this brings us to his secret and dangerous mission for DD: delving into Voldemort's mind (using Harry..?). We should remember that Snape was excellent at the Legili- and Occlu- things.

[Laterose]

that is very interesting, but I don't think he'd use Harry

[hpk37067]

Yeah, I think Harry would kinda notice. I think either he has gone back to good ole Voldie saying something like Malfoy said when Voldie returned but faking it.

[WebMonkey]

I concur.

[hpk37067]

Thank you for concuring.

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by Bambi
On the whole Legilimency thing: an interesting point brought up by a friend of mine. When Harry talks to Snape, he sort of tells him not to mess with Voldie's thoughts, and Harry argues back something like '...it is not my job , it is your job, right?' in an accusatory voice. Snape responds calmly : 'Yes, that's my job.' I thught at first he just wanted to close the argument and was being sarcastic, but then Snape never was the one to make jokes. What if he spoke the truth, and this brings us to his secret and dangerous mission for DD: delving into Voldemort's mind (using Harry..?). We should remember that Snape was excellent at the Legili- and Occlu- things.

actually Snape says to Harry "it is not you job to find out where voldermort is hideing" and then harry says "no it is Yours" with which snape replys "Yes it is" nothing i am affraid with snape deliving into other peoples minds

[MidgetNazgul2]

The line doesn't prove ir disprove that Snape uses Legimency to find Voldemort. I think it would make more sense that Snape uses his mind to delve into Voldy's mind because he already knows that Snape will never return to the Death Eaters. Another reason i think snape will end up dying a rather painful death. *snif*

[redman]

what's occlumency and legimency again, ive gotten confused and im too lazy to go back to that brick of a book.

[CWLakers34]

occlumency is being able to block people from reading your mind, and leggimency is being able to read minds and see people's thoughts


BTW, this is my first time posting on the harry potter thread so i'm kind of a stranger here.

[redman]

it aint any different to any other thread, except maybe the matrix thread:mad:, but u seem to know more about it than i do so dont worry.

[hpk37067]

Yeah, everyone's nice here. Except for the matrix thread of course. One step outta line and you'll be eaten alive.

[HeadHunter]

only go here and the CS community really....

[Laterose]

Same. sometimes go into other forums, but not often

[hpk37067]

how true.

[Laterose]

I like this forum, it has interesting disscussions

[que_SuertE777]

and the people are nice in this forum

[HeadHunter]

yes i am nice...i mean we are all nice here

[que_SuertE777]

:D

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by que_SuertE777
:D

see we all have Very nice smiles http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/laugh1.gif

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by hpk37067
I think that even if she goes off on a tangent and gives Harry the power of Legilimency, it would be kinda random. I mean, he already has enough skills as it is. We can't have the hero just be the perfect person with everything given to him.

Too bad he already has Legilimency because...well HE'S USED IT! See...we're not all nice and fluffy. And it's not just given to him...he's got to develop it. He has the ability, he just needs to learn how to control it at will.
But anyway...read those pages again (726 and on, American version). They were very important and she dropped alot of clues in them.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by Laterose
This skill is extremely important. If he has this skill, it may lead to other skills similiar to this and if he has these skills, JK may be using a certain sci-fi pattern I didn't think she was going to use anymore, but it seems she will.
Thank you...you didn't give up anything (darn) but you did answer my question about what part of what I said helped you realize one of her patterns. Any clues about which Sci-fi pattern you are thinking of?

[Tim37ninjageniu]

HARRY CAN NOT READ MINDS!!!!!!!!!!!

[LOTRfan]

we are not starting this again. HE CAN so deal with it. Don't think of it in the traditional way of "reading minds" but rather as "interpreting someone's thoughts." Harry is not aware of his ability yet so it hasn't been *spelled out* in the books yet (IMO it was perfectly clear). If you choose to remain ignorant, so be it. I don't see the point in trying to make you see reason. Let's drop it and wait for the next two books to prove (duh) or disprove it (unlikely).

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
Let's drop it and wait for the next two books to prove (duh) or disprove it (unlikely).

Well, that's the whole key there, isn't it? Everyone is *speculating* that he can. We aren't positive. I personally don't think the classroom bit with Pavarti (or was it Lavender?) proves anything with certainty. I've had instances of that happen.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Exactly. That part proves nothing. It's possible of course but so is Harry hooking up with Mcgonnagal in Hogsmeade. That page PROVES nothing.

Now that weve both had our say lets drop it.

[que_SuertE777]

It PROVES nothing, but it lodges the idea into your mind. The more and more I think about it, the more I come to believe it.

[hpk37067]

If you're referring to the O.W.L.s, he was trying to remember the answer and did not read her mind. He would have been freaked out. And don't you have to say a spell to do it? He said nothing and don't give crap about Voldemort doesn't because him and Harry have the connection, he doesn't need to say a spell. He already has a pathway into his mind.

[Laterose]

he only rememberd the answer...but it could have been "just knowing."

[hpk37067]

Exactly. Need more explanation que_SuertE777?

[Laterose]

However....oh, never mind....

[que_SuertE777]

Originally posted by hpk37067
If you're referring to the O.W.L.s, he was trying to remember the answer and did not read her mind. He would have been freaked out. And don't you have to say a spell to do it? He said nothing and don't give crap about Voldemort doesn't because him and Harry have the connection, he doesn't need to say a spell. He already has a pathway into his mind.

Look, you don't have to say a spell if you're gifted in Occlumency/Legilimency like Voldemort is. And since, as you said, he already has a pathway into his mind and they are connected by Harry's scar, he has some of Voldemort's talents. So, it isn't impossible that Harry could read minds. Anyway, just because it was subtle doesn't mean that the possibility of it is still there.

[hpk37067]

:mad: Don't say anything!

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by hpk37067
If you're referring to the O.W.L.s, he was trying to remember the answer and did not read her mind. He would have been freaked out.
Yes he would've been freaked out if he had realized that's what happened. He wasn't aware of getting the answer in an unnatural way. He thought he must've "just remembered it." Remember, we are seeing everything from Harry's point of view. If the narrator was all-knowing, nothing would have been a surprise in HP. Occlumency is going to be really big in the next two books. The fact that harry never finished his lessons with Snape already had one big repercussion - Sirius died. However Harry is going to learn how to master Legilimency eventually- either on his own or with help. It's one of his destined skills to be shared with Voldemort.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Change the subject.

How about the nuances of mid flight manuevering.

Your thoughts.

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by que_SuertE777
Look, you don't have to say a spell if you're gifted in Occlumency/Leggimency like Voldemort is. And since, as you said, he already has a pathway into his mind and they are connected by Harry's scar, he has some of Voldemort's talents. So, it isn't impossible that Harry could read minds. Anyway, just because it was subtle doesn't mean that the possibility of it is still there.

I'm not saying that it is impossible for Harry to master Legilimency. I'm saying that he doesn't know it yet. He would have realized that he could tap into people's minds when he took former exams. He would have probably had a similar situation at other exams. And remember, it is not mind reading. To get that answer, he would have had to access her thoughts and he would have seen something else like her past.

[LOTRfan]

He didn't realize it in former exams cuz he hadn't ever used his mind to the extent he did in lessons with Snape. So his ability never had reason to surface. It just kinda happened during that exam. It wasn't a conscious decision of his. It's like how Harry did magic when he was younger...he didn't know he was doing it. And of course he can't control it yet. He doesn't even know he's capable of using it.

[Laterose]

well said

[LOTRfan]

Why, thank you, laterose! At least some people appreciate me.:D *looks pointedly at hpk*

[Laterose]

You're detirmined to start a fight, aren't you? :D

[LOTRfan]

who me?
http://216.40.249.192/s/otn/angels/littleangel.gif Never!!!!!!

[Laterose]

nice smilie

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
He didn't realize it in former exams cuz he hadn't ever used his mind to the extent he did in lessons with Snape. So his ability never had reason to surface. It just kinda happened during that exam. It wasn't a conscious decision of his. It's like how Harry did magic when he was younger...he didn't know he was doing it. And of course he can't control it yet. He doesn't even know he's capable of using it.

I think he's too young to already master Legilimency. Atleast to the point that he would have to say the spell to do it. If you're saying that Harry is too powerful for words like Voldemort, then I can't say anything to change your mind.

[Laterose]

you're never too young.

[LOTRfan]

So true...He escaped Lord Voldemort 5 times before his 16th b-day (including once as an baby). So what's to stop him from doing a bit of magic without a spell like Voldemort can....since they are, after all, connected and Harry has a few of his powers already. Besides...he hasn't mastered it yet. The way it happened was really by chance, not from mastery since he wasn't even aware of it himself. Also, Voldemort was present in his mind at the time it happened so it made it even easier for him. His mind was either open at the time as a result or Voldemort's moving around in there induced it.

[Laterose]

well said

[que_SuertE777]

Exactly. That's what I said before. Who's to say that he can't read minds. The possibility of it is great. He is strongly connected to Voldemort who is gifted in Occlumency/Legilimency. Since Voldemort is so skilled in that area, Harry wouldn't have to perform a spell to achieve results. Just because the indication of Harry's ability to read minds was subtle it's not a valid reason to rule it out. Anyway, we didn't say that he mastered it. We just said that he is showing signs of being able to master it in the future.

[hpk37067]

Well, I agree with you there saying that he has the potential to master it. In fact, he could master everything that Voldemort could. And if Harry was already that strong, why doesn't he just go off and fight Voldemort now?

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Yeah because he knows exactly where to find him.

I'll admit that it is possible Harry will become more adept at Occulemency/Legilemency in the future and it would even be logical since Voldermort passed on to him Parseltounge. There is no way that you can suggest he is as powerful as Voldermort is. He has shown that he has potential to grow stronger and there is a lot of proof that he will one day be a very powerful wizard but now he is still not even close to Voldermort's level.

[que_SuertE777]

(to hpk) Umm, if you haven't noticed, Harry has already fought Voldemort in the past, and what do you know? He's still alive. We didn't say that he was almighty and powerful, you're twisting our words. We just said that he showed signs of being able to read minds.

[Laterose]

But hey! He's starting a fight! YES!!!!! :p :D

[MidgetNazgul2]

Harry *is* still alive, but he hasn't even put a scratch on Voldemort either. I'm not saying Harry is weak though. Far from it.

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by que_SuertE777
(to hpk) Umm, if you haven't noticed, Harry has already fought Voldemort in the past, and what do you know? He's still alive. We didn't say that he was almighty and powerful, you're twisting our words. We just said that he showed signs of being able to read minds.

Well, (Laterose, if this gets everyone to hate me, :mad: ) a lot of you sure implied it. You said that if you are as powerful a wizard as Voldemort, you don't have to say a spell to do it. Anyone get what I'm saying? You are implying that Harry is as powerful as Voldemort. And yes, I am trying to start a fight. Or debate if you allow.

[Stands Alone]

Each time when Harry incounters Voldemort, he really didn't "fight" at all. I found him, either doing nothing that concidered him fighting, or, something done by pure luck.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by hpk37067
You are implying that Harry is as powerful as Voldemort. And yes, I am trying to start a fight. Or debate if you allow.

Harry has the potential to be as powerful as Voldemort. Problem is, Voldy knows the stuff. Harry hasn't been clued in on what all he may be capable of.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[Laterose]

But, because Voldemort transferd his powers to Harry, it is possible Harry knows this stuff already, he just doesn't know it?
Like when we found out he was a parseltongue, but he didn't know he was?

[hpk37067]

So no one is going to answer that everyone just said that Harry was as powerful as Voldemort? Especially you que_SuertE777. You started the fight. You might as well end it. Give me something that will shut me up.:)

[Laterose]

Hermione's waiting for you in another thread....:p ;)

[hpk37067]

Stop changing the subject people. I'm angry today that everyone is trying to pick a fight with me. Just know, I got grounded for not studying! And now the boards are angry!:mad: Someone answer my question.

[Queen Me]

did you know that lupus is wolf in latin? like lupin? lol i kn ow it doesnt have anything to do with this subjecct, i just thought it was interesting. :p

[Laterose]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Stop changing the subject people. I'm angry today that everyone is trying to pick a fight with me. Just know, I got grounded for not studying! And now the boards are angry!:mad: Someone answer my question.
*backs slowly away*

Sorry, hpk. Yes, the majority of us agree that Harry is as strong as Voldemort. However, that may not be true.

Go study now, okay?

[hpk37067]

Sorry guys. I'm just really pissed today. My girl had to skip a date because of a stupid family thing. And now I'm grounded. This just really pissed me off.

[Laterose]

It's okay, just breathe, alright. It's understandable that you're mad, just don't vent it at us next time, alright? We don't know when you're really angry.

[hpk37067]

All right. I've calmed down a bit. So, anyway. I think many of you have assumed that Harry is as powerful as Voldemort and denied it.*looks at que_Suert777* And any of you wanna start a fight like Laterose wants, the bell has rung!

[Laterose]

I don't really want to start a fight, it's just it's really annoying when you always agree with me. I like having a disscusion once and awhile and the only time we seem to be able to do that is in a fight

[hpk37067]

Okay, start a discussion in which we can really get into it.

[Laterose]

You have any ideas?

[hpk37067]

Nope. Let's get that que character. Maybe she'll have some ideas. And then the chanters can keep chanting.

[Laterose]

Alright.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Snape hates Harry and he always will. He will not be the hero and save Harry. Your thoughts?

[hpk37067]

I agree. Whoops, I'm not supposed to am I?

[Laterose]

I think there will be a twist in Snape's character.

[jediknight]

On the previous post, I'd just like to say that one of the reasons that Voldemort was so powerful was that he had the desire to be powerful. First of all, Harry doesn't have that desire. If Harry knew as much as Hermoine, he would be up to snuff on Voldemort. Harry has fought Voldemort once, and the only thing that saved him was his wand and Voldemort's past victims. The rest of the times he was merely in the presence of Voldemort and didn't contribute anything to the fight. Since Harry has Voldemort's potential, all he needs to do is nourish it with a little knowledge.

Back to the current discussion, Snape hates Harry's father and in turn hates Harry. Who wouldn't hate Harry's father after what he did to Snape on the common ground. I think down the road, Snape will find that Harry doesn't exibit the bad trates his father did and will lay his life on the line for Harry.

[Laterose]

you should post here most often

I think that it has been set for Snape to realize that Harry is not his father.

[jediknight]

Originally posted by Laterose
you should post here most often

I think that it has been set for Snape to realize that Harry is not his father.

Thank you, I can see the force is strong with you. :P

I can see how the stage has been set for Snape's realization. Snape can see how many times Harry has laid his life on the line despite Snape's interference--namely in the shrieking shack. In addition to what James did to Snape, he's also the head of Slytherin, and a double agent. He can't just come out and say Harry's alright, Voldemort would have him killed! I think this is obvious in the events of OoTP with the rejection to give the old bat anymore truth syrum. Didn't he warn Dumbledore of what Harry was about to do? I don't clearly recall

*shakes head and hears brain rattle*

[Laterose]

actually I don't really watch Star Wars, but you're welcome :p

He won't say it out right...but let's just say actions speak louder than words

[jediknight]

Like you say, actions speak louder than words...if he was caught by say Draco to act unusually nice or even not as mean as normal, I'm sure Draco would report to his dad and Lucious would report to Voldemort. It would not only be the end of Snape, but also the end of Dumbledore's spy. So, in the interest of the Order, Snape has to be as mean spirited as ever in order to keep up on the whereabouts of Voldemort and what he is up to even if he finds out Harry's a nice guy.

[hpk37067]

It would kinda be a let down if Snape suddenly became nice. I mean, he's the kinda guy who we love to hate. And then all we have left is Voldie to hate and he doesn't even have a freakin' personality. Jesus, I'm talking like a freakin' dating show host.

[MidgetNazgul2]

I agree, jediknight. There's no possible way that Snape could be nice, even in the unlikely event that he wants to be.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Especially you que_SuertE777. You started the fight. You might as well end it. Give me something that will shut me up.:)
Not to get back on an obviously sore subject but the person who actually started the fight was *raises hand proudly* ME!! Hehe...Que just happily joined in (wholeheartedly I may add). Just wanted you to know who the leader of the rebels is.:D

(I was the one who ranted about your cheap way of racking up posts, remember? Then I said we hadn't had a good fight recently.)

[que_SuertE777]

Yes, I was just backing up my friend... plus I need a good fight now and then. Sorry if I was a little vicious, I was just trying to let you see the light. You so passionately discarded even the possibility of Harry being able to read minds. I thought it would be fun to try and change your mind. *sigh* And you must remember, you were dealing with three girls against you... that's very hard to win.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by que_SuertE777
And you must remember, you were dealing with three girls against you... that's very hard to win.

It's damn near impossible for a guy to win against ONE girl, let alone three. I know this from experience. :D

[LOTRfan]

Yes, we're just that good. http://mindscraps.com/s/contrib/lynx/pinkwink.gif

[hpk37067]

Ha. That's so true. Note the sarcasm.

[Willowisp]

I didn't know boys could have PMS.. *glares suspiciously @ HPK*

[WebMonkey]

Handbags at dawn ?

[Queen Me]

I bet...the last book will be like three chapters and everyone will die because the Hogwarts Express crashes!!







Or...not...
lol

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by Willowisp
I didn't know boys could have PMS.. *glares suspiciously @ HPK*

What's PMS? Anyway, I want to start a fight with LOTRfan, que_Suert777, and Laterose. Bring it on! I'm bored.

[LOTRfan]

Are you sure about that? Be careful what you wish for. A statement like that shouldn't be made lightly. If that pathetic fight got you upset...well, you better start curling up into the fetal position now while you can still think straight!!!! ;)
You are such a wuss :p

[LOTRfan]

Wait....don't respond till you read this:

If you agree to the following conditions the fight is on:
1. If Laterose and Que join you may choose ONE poster as a partner. (what can I say...I'm a nice person :D)
2. You may not complain, whine, or sob uncontrollably when we beat you to a juicy pulp.
3. You may not get angry at us for doing what you asked us to do.
4. You may not appeal to other poster's sympathy (other than the user you chose for your back-up)
5. You may not report us for merely ending your boredom.

Do you comply with these conditions and solemnly swear that you made this decision on your own accord and with full knowledge of what you are doing?

[hpk37067]

I agree to all those lame and sorry conditions concocted by dimwits to undermine my intelligence. And I'll fight on my on. I have honor you know.

[que_SuertE777]

Originally posted by hpk37067
What's PMS? ^I do hope you're being sarcastic. If I recall correctly, you're 14? Even though guys mature slower than girls, at 14 you should know about those things, and (a little advice) PMS and girls don't mix too well... stay clear.

Originally posted by hpk37067 I have honor you know. *sigh* No need to get defensive, dear. We're just clarifying. You know, a majority of the population feel that chivalry is dead. As for the fight, I'm in. Now all we need is Laterose's reply.

[hpk37067]

I agree. Chivalry is probably dead. But I wasn't being defensive, just boasting. But it's always good to think it is still alive.

[Mobycat]

...sitting back to watch HPK get beat to a juicy pulp...

:D

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Since when is chivalry dead? Any fight that goes down on this board is gonna have me in it.

*Looks around*

*looks intimidating*

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by hpk37067
I agree. Chivalry is probably dead. But I wasn't being defensive, just boasting. But it's always good to think it is still alive.

It's alive. Problem is, anyone who has it is probably at least 25-30 years old. It comes along after all the stupid stuff.

(Believe me, I know this from experience, too)

One day, a lightbulb flashes, and you think, "What the hell was I thinking then? I was such an idiot!"

Sad...but true in 95% of people, I think.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
*looks intimidating*

Flex flex flex. Practice, practice, practice. :D

[que_SuertE777]

That's good to know (the part about chivalry being alive), but I guess seeing the "errors of your ways" is a tad depressing. I never thought chivalry was completely dead. I'm not that cynical. The source of that idea was from my former West Civ teacher... and about all the guys who were taking that class with me.

So Tim, I assume you will be siding with hpk?

[Tim37ninjageniu]

That depends what we're fighting about. I came here mid conversation and I'm too lazy to scroll back up.

I'm really tired.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by que_SuertE777
That's good to know (the part about chivalry being alive), but I guess seeing the "errors of your ways" is a tad depressing.

Well, just an example...I was in Border's the other night, and I overheard a couple guys talking - they were talking about dorms, so they are obviously in college.

Then one said, "That would be the ultimate job...male prostitute."

I just had to shake my head. Most younger guys only think about things like that - sex. They don't even consider the HOW as much as when. "Now, here, at all times."

If they had an inkling of chivalry...they'd think about it sure, but know that it's something that comes along, and comes about by your actions and how you treat people (or at least should).

Of course, there's more to it than sex. Just a simple example.

[que_SuertE777]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
Since when is chivalry dead? Any fight that goes down on this board is gonna have me in it.

*Looks around*

*looks intimidating*

Lol, talking about chivalry not being dead one second and then in the next you go off and join a fight with a bunch of girls. Just remember this fight is all in good fun.

*yawns at attempt to look intimidating*

Maybe you should practice more on your technique.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

HA! Who needs technique when you are as intimidating as me. Lets just say I have Arnold Schwarzenagger's body with Robert DeNiro's face.

*flexes muscles*

[que_SuertE777]

*rolleyes* I should also like to inform you that you also have an inflated ego if you think that's going to faze me. *sighs* You aren't being intimidating nor are you helping my thoughts about you. If you do have Schwarzenagger's body then I feel sorry for you. FYI a lot of my friends (girls of course) and I think that guys look better with their muscles toned and not looking like their about to OD on steroids. In fact, I was just discussing this with my best friend today. As for the Robert DeNiro's face... you poor poor man. You actually believe I'd find that intimidating? Anyway, we're online, how would your appearance help you? Even if we weren't... *let's out an exasperated breath* you really must begin to realize that intimidation isn't just physical. It's all in one's mentality.

[Willowisp]

*taps his watch impatiently* so when on earth is the next book due.. this boards is getting weirder by the minute.. people need something to do...

Oh.. and nice knowing you HPK.. See you in the next life.. :p

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Okay all fair points. Needless to say I don't quite have Swarchenagger's body nor DeNiro's face. Besides I'm a lover not a fighter, for now, so why don't you and your fore mentioned friend send me a PM. Since you aren't impressed by muscles you should now I'm a genius. PM me. :wink: You know you want too.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
Wait....don't respond till you read this:

If you agree to the following conditions the fight is on:
1. If Laterose and Que join you may choose ONE poster as a partner. (what can I say...I'm a nice person :D)
2. You may not complain, whine, or sob uncontrollably when we beat you to a juicy pulp.
3. You may not get angry at us for doing what you asked us to do.
4. You may not appeal to other poster's sympathy (other than the user you chose for your back-up)
5. You may not report us for merely ending your boredom.

Do you comply with these conditions and solemnly swear that you made this decision on your own accord and with full knowledge of what you are doing?
I said I didn't want to have a fight....oh, well. The game is on....:D

[hpk37067]

Ok, the game is on. Someone introduce a topic.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
Okay all fair points. Needless to say I don't quite have Swarchenagger's body nor DeNiro's face. Besides I'm a lover not a fighter, for now, so why don't you and your fore mentioned friend send me a PM. Since you aren't impressed by muscles you should now I'm a genius. PM me. :wink: You know you want too.
:rolleyes: What should we do about him, Kat? Seems like an overinflated ego needs puncturing. Where are those scissors?

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Ok, the game is on. Someone introduce a topic.
I think its more fun when it just happens. It's to hard to plan what to say...and we can't leave mobycat and tim out...they'd be soo hurt. How bout mobycat and tim together, the "honorable" hpk by himself, and laterose, Que and myself allied?

[Mobycat]

A threeway fight? Not sure what the topic could possibly be.

[LOTRfan]

well it doesn't necessarily have to have three separate standpoints. For example you and tim could end up agreeing with what que, laterose, and myself argue. So it would, in effect, be even worse for hpk. And I only said it to make hpk feel foolish for refusing help. It's his funeral.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Okay it's time to pick sides.

Possible topic: Will Percy turn evil, apoligize, try to advance in the ministry, be contolled by Voldermort, or elope to a Sweedishman named Sally and move to Rotterdam.

[hpk37067]

Okay, we can discuss whether the Weasleys will let Percy back into their clan.

[eclipsedman]

Good Devil you folks must really have nothing better to do.

No they definately should not let percy back, this is no Christian book so their is no need to forgive Percy, I don't think he will try to get back together with them anyway.

....Now back to the fight......... LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE....

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by Mobycat
...sitting back to watch HPK get beat to a juicy pulp...

:D


yeah, no kidding... pass the popcorn, this should be fun! ;)

kerry =)

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
Since when is chivalry dead? Any fight that goes down on this board is gonna have me in it.

*Looks around*

*looks intimidating*


Awww...

aren't you just precious

(pats Tim on the head)


:funny: :funny: :funny:


sorry Tim,
(giggle) couldn't resist.

kerry =)

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Kerry from Cali
Awww...

aren't you just precious

(pats Tim on the head)


:funny: :funny: :funny:


sorry Tim,
(giggle) couldn't resist.

kerry =)

HAHAHA! That has got to be one of the funniest things I've read in a while. :funny:

[LOTRfan]

You are all SOOO Stupid. I can't believe how much so. ;) Of course Percy will try to get back with his family...he'll pretend it wasn't entirely his fault, he was being influenced by the ministry blah blah blah. His parents are dying to forgive him. I think Ron, Fred, and George will ignore him and Harry won't care...he's too busy to deal with it. Ginny can go either way. I think she will eventually forgive him though.

[LOTRfan]

o and i think hpk should post his theory on a random topic first(that way we'll have something to fight about)...since we rarely agree with him:D

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
You are all SOOO Stupid. I can't believe how much so. ;) Of course Percy will try to get back with his family...he'll pretend it wasn't entirely his fault, he was being influenced by the ministry blah blah blah. His parents are dying to forgive him. I think Ron, Fred, and George will ignore him and Harry won't care...he's too busy to deal with it. Ginny can go either way. I think she will eventually forgive him though.

NO WAY! :D Percy won't try to get them back. His parents will say, "Oh Percy, we forgive you, now have some breakfast...tuck in."

And Percy will reply, "I never asked to be forgiven! The Ministry does what it thinks is best, and that is what was determined. I will eat somewhere else, thank you very much!" And he'll storm out.

There...now everyone jump in. :D

[que_SuertE777]

My only opinion on the topic is that Percy is an idiot, and I say who cares what happens to the little bastard.

[hpk37067]

I agree. Okay, this is a bad topic. Let's pick another. I'm not the kinda guy who makes topics. I'm the one that just responds.

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by Mobycat
Well, just an example...I was in Border's the other night, and I overheard a couple guys talking - they were talking about dorms, so they are obviously in college.

Then one said, "That would be the ultimate job...male prostitute."

I just had to shake my head. Most younger guys only think about things like that - sex. They don't even consider the HOW as much as when. "Now, here, at all times."

If they had an inkling of chivalry...they'd think about it sure, but know that it's something that comes along, and comes about by your actions and how you treat people (or at least should).

Of course, there's more to it than sex. Just a simple example.



What's really funny (or sad, depending on your point of view) is that if they *were* male prostitute's, their clientele would be primarily men. And I don't think that's what they had in mind. (then again, who knows, maybe it is what they're in to) What they *probably* meant was "gigolo". Those two terms are not interchangeable. ;)

Kerry =)

[hpk37067]

Okay, someone introduce a debatable topic. And gigolo and male prostitute are not interchangeable.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Voldermort

Evil or just misunderstood?

[LOTRfan]

misunderstood definitely....like Darth Vader (I love him!):D

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by hpk37067
[QUOTE]Okay, someone introduce a debatable topic.




Let's see...

p. 785 (american)

During the finale battle, when Harry etal are in the Dept. of Mysteries, Bellatrix tries to stupefy Harry and Lucius deflected it. Several glass orbs are hit. JK lets us hear a little from two of the orbs. One claims "...at the Solstice will come a new..." and the other said "...and none will come after..."

What do you think the chances are that these two particular prophecies were put there as clues?

Do they have a connection with the battle and war that is to come?


Since the summer solstice happens on or near 6/22, that's near the close of term... it could fit. Maybe that prophecy is saying that at the solstice, a new age of peace will be at hand. Or then again, maybe it's saying that at the solstice a new battle, more terrible and ferocious then all that have gone before, will take place in a showdown between good and evil. Either way, I think it means something.

As for prophecy #2, I think it could read like this:

in the climactic battle between good and evil, evil such as Voldemort and his followers will be defeated. The wizarding world will never again know the fear that held it in it's clutches. Voldemort will be vanquished and none will come after. ok, that might be a stretch, but I think it will go something along the lines of Voldemort being killed and that there will never be another bad wizard like him again.







And gigolo and male prostitue are not interchangeable.



ummm.... that's what I said. Did you think I meant it differently? :confused:

Kerry =)

[Mobycat]

I disagree....partially.

A gigolo is a male prostitute, but a male prostitute is not necessarily a gigolo.

[Kerry from Cali]

What's really funny (or sad, depending on your point of view) is that if they *were* male prostitute's, their clientele would be primarily men. And I don't think that's what they had in mind. (then again, who knows, maybe it is what they're in to) What they *probably* meant was "gigolo". Those two terms are not interchangeable.

Kerry =)


Originally posted by Mobycat
I disagree....partially.

A gigolo is a male prostitute, but a male prostitute is not necessarily a gigolo.

yep, that's why I said the two terms were not interchangeable. ;) They don't mean the same thing.

on one hand your clientele is largely female, on the other it's male. both are getting money (or goods) for sexual favors. (or dancing or escorting, which ever way the winds blows) :)


Kerry =)

[LOTRfan]

how did we ever go soo wrong?!
Serious tangent here...and it wasn't caused by laterose or evilsquishy *gasp*

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Kerry from Cali
which ever way the winds blows) :)

So to speak.

D'oh!

[_manuel_]

so how about that fight you promised?
*prepares for bloodshed*

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Yeah what about that fight. I bought a new set of golf clubs for the ocasion. And I don't play golf.......

[Laterose]

We're not gonna have a fight now, okay?

[hpk37067]

Why not? I don't think the whole broken prophecy would have any actual clues. And I think I just saw an error. How can the prophecies leave their shelves when only the people to which the prophecies were made can remove it?

[Laterose]

Harry removed it.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Why not? I don't think the whole broken prophecy would have any actual clues. And I think I just saw an error. How can the prophecies leave their shelves when only the people to which the prophecies were made can remove it?

Anyone can remove them, but if it's not about you, you get cursed (or something like that). But those were knocked down by a spell, weren't they? (Don't remember offhand)

[Laterose]

I think they were

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by Mobycat
Anyone can remove them, but if it's not about you, you get cursed (or something like that). But those were knocked down by a spell, weren't they? (Don't remember offhand)

But Malfoy clearly said that the only ones who can pick up the prophecies are the ones who it was made out to. Harry or Voldemort are the only people who couldn't have gotten their prophecy which later smashed.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by hpk37067
But Malfoy clearly said that the only ones who can pick up the prophecies are the ones who it was made out to. Harry or Voldemort are the only people who couldn't have gotten their prophecy which later smashed.

I'm confused as to what you're saying. Only the ones who the prophecy is made to can pick them off the shelf. Once off, anyone can handle them - Neville had Harry's for a time before he smashed it.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Harry or Voldemort are the only people who couldn't have gotten their prophecy which later smashed.
Didn't you mean harry and voldie are the only ones who COULD have gotten their prophecy?
And Harry did remove it. Once it's removed anyone can touch it. So everything that happened was possible.

[que_SuertE777]

I don't see why they would even attempt to take the prophecy in the first place if they know that it's not possible. It took someone to get cursed and arrested (if I recall correctly... probably not) before they devised a new plan and lured Harry there.

[_manuel_]

Oh hey i have a discussion topic. You know that comment Cuaron made about Bush being similar to Voldemort? Well now some people are saying that because of that they should boycott the movie. What do you think?


Personally i think thats just stupid. First people go on about how they have free spech and how the USA is a free country and all, but then those same people come along and say that because of someones comment, they should be punished. Is it just me or is that a bit contradictory?

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by hpk37067
But Malfoy clearly said that the only ones who can pick up the prophecies are the ones who it was made out to. Harry or Voldemort are the only people who couldn't have gotten their prophecy which later smashed.



Now I'm confused. If only Harry or Voldemort could lift the orb from the shelf, why did they (the bad guys) try to use Broderick Bode and that Sturgis (sp) guy to steal it? Can you point me in the direction of when Malfoy said that? I'm finding that I need to re-read this book already, because I'm forgetting small details.

thanks!

Kerry =)

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by Mobycat
Anyone can remove them, but if it's not about you, you get cursed (or something like that). But those were knocked down by a spell, weren't they? (Don't remember offhand)

Yes, Bellatrix was trying to curse Harry, and Malfoy shot a spell to disarm it. It knocked into the orbs, and a few were broken. Then JK let us see a peak into two of the orbs.

kerry

[redman]

Originally posted by _manuel_
Oh hey i have a discussion topic. You know that comment Cuaron made about Bush being similar to Voldemort? Well now some people are saying that because of that they should boycott the movie. What do you think?


Personally i think thats just stupid. First people go on about how they have free spech and how the USA is a free country and all, but then those same people come along and say that because of someones comment, they should be punished. Is it just me or is that a bit contradictory?

i agree with cuaron. And yeah it is contradictory. Ehhh people.... so scared of a little contravercy. But remember, if theres contravercy about a movie its going to get more attention (smart thinking cuaron).

[Laterose]

see, the Americans have yet to learn the Canadian art of satire :p

we make fun of everything, including ourselves and no one is offended, rarely, at least

[hpk37067]

My bad. I wanted to say could but I made a typo. Oops! Anway, what I was saying was that when Malfoy deflected the spell, the curse went and hit a shelf causing several prohecies to fall and smash. I thought that only the people to whom the prophecy was made to could take them off the shelf. Either I'm missing something or it's an error.

[Laterose]

I'm confused

[hpk37067]

Why? I'm saying that Bellatrix shot a curse which hit the shelves and prohecies fell and smashed on the ground. I was under the impression that only the people who the prohecy was made out to could remove it from the shelves.

[Laterose]

but did she remove them?

[hpk37067]

They fell down. The spell made the prophecies fall to the ground.

[Laterose]

ok

[hpk37067]

I assumed that the people who the prophecies were made out to could remove it. I mean, if they could just get it off with a spell, don't you think the Death Eaters could have done that?

[Laterose]

they couldn't risk smashing it

[hpk37067]

They could have done Accio Prophecy.

[Laterose]

that would be removing though

[hpk37067]

So you agree with me? I was just pointing out the error of your theory.