**Offical Terminator 3 review thread** [Archive]

Halofan1

07-02-2003, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by SamuraiiSam
It's late. Or should I say early. 3:00 in the morning. Just got back from T3 and thought I'd post a few thoughts. I'm afraid it's pretty bad. Definately one of the worst in recent memory. Or pretty close anyway. It's not as bad as Matrix Reloaded. But just as gratuitous. The action scenes nearly put me to sleep and it's not because it's 3:00am.

I'll write a full review tomorrow. Very tired.

I'm afraid you're an idiot.

The Matrix Reloaded was great, I'm sorry it required brain usage.

TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES

In 1984, the world was rocked by James Cameron's "The Terminator", which is now a sci-fi classic. In 1991, we're treated to "Terminator 2: Judgement Day" which is arguably one of the best films ever. Cameron made two masterpieces and we all thought "T2" was the final chapter in the saga. Foward to 2003 and we have "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines". Did it suck beyond any reason? Was it better than it's two classic predecessors?

John Connor(Nick Stahl) is a grown man, moving from place to place without record. Sarah is dead, and tells John they'd stop Judgement Day. However, John doesn't believe her and still has dreams of the war. So you know the tale, ol'Arnie shows up and is to protect John and this time stop the Terminatrix or T-X(Kristanna Loken) from killing John and Kate Brewster(Claire Danes). So for the next hour and fifty minutes we're lead on a wild chase, good action, and too many rips of the first two films.

No, "T3" is not a bad film. In fact, it's better than a recent movie with a jolly green giant. It does have some nice action sequences and Jonathan Moscow's directing is fine. The problem is "T3" tries too hard to be "T1", and even moreso "T2". Everytime T-X is about to kill someone, she repeats their name. Wow, that's great, but I saw this in "The Terminator". In the chase, T-X is chasing John while the T-850 is chasing the T-X on a bike. Exciting, had I not seen this previously in "T2". Only about an hour and thrity minutes in does the movie start to get original. Another thing that did not sit well with me was everytime someone was thrown or kicked, they did the cliche "fly eighty feet backwards". "T2", T-1000 and T-800 toss each other through a wall and landed normally. Here, T-X tosses Katie from the truck and she sails a good five feet before hitting the pavement.

Onto the acting and characterization. It's actually decent, with Danes giving a convincing performance as Katie. Loken does an alright job as T-X, although she cannot top Robert Patrick as T-1000. Disappointing was Nick Stahl as John Connor. Maybe it has something to do with John suffering from the "Robocop curse"(any badass character is pussied up in the sequels). "T2" portrayed John as a bad boy and smart. Here, it's as if John forgot almost everything Sarah taught him. As for Arnold, he was back doing what he does best, the Terminator. Special note should be made that our friend Dr. Peter Silberman(Earl Boen) makes an appearance. It's a pretty funny scene where he talks to Katie about the Terminators.

"T3" is not a bad film, as stated. It's problem is it seems as a bunch of Terminator fan boys gathered and wanted to reinvision the first two a la Burton's "Planet of the Apes". Instead, they thought combining the two would try to hold a candle to it's predecessors. Unfortunatley, after receiving two high art films, the Terminator series has been downgraded to "popcorn fun". It pains me to type that but it describes "T3". I only wonder what James Cameron could have done had he wanted to be apart of this. Maybe we would have had a better film than "T2". Maybe we would have had characters we cared about. Maybe we would have had a great movie, and not one that's good, but full of flaws.

7 out of 10.(B-)

mastertips03

07-02-2003, 10:41 AM

Firstoff, for all those including Ebert who thought the matrix 2 was a great movie and then to thumbs down T3 for the very same reason you loved matrix 2 is hypocritcal in the worst sense of the word. From where I sat T3 is a much better movie more interesting film than "Matrix 2" or "the hulk" and even though it has its flaws it is a film that has incredible eye candy, amazing action scenes, a continuation of the original story, and a surprise twist to the ending. To try to measure up to a film that already has being define as a classic, is pretty hard to do but I feel that Director Mostow gave it his best shot and came up with a 3 star out of four Action/Adventure.

Theogre

07-02-2003, 10:53 AM

Maybe James Cameron will come back for T4

Halofan1

07-02-2003, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by mastertips03
Firstoff, for all those including Ebert who thought the matrix 2 was a great movie and then to thumbs down T3 for the very same reason you loved matrix 2 is hypocritcal in the worst sense of the word. From where I sat T3 is a much better movie more interesting film than "Matrix 2" or "the hulk" and even though it has its flaws it is a film that has incredible eye candy, amazing action scenes, a continuation of the original story, and a surprise twist to the ending. To try to measure up to a film that already has being define as a classic, is pretty hard to do but I feel that Director Mostow gave it his best shot and came up with a 3 star out of four Action/Adventure.

No where in my in review did I say "T3" was bad. In fact, I said it wasn't. The problem it has is trying so hard to be the first two, which makes it unoriginal.

Fanible

07-02-2003, 12:29 PM

ComingSoon!'s review didn't make sense to me with the last line. It seemed to me that the person who wrote it for ComingSoon thought it was made by James Cameron, which it wasn't.

spiderman_2k

07-02-2003, 12:40 PM

The Bottom Line:
Overall it’s a fun popcorn flick. Terminator fans should be more or less pleased, but I think everyone will agree James Cameron is still King Of The World. I recommend checking Terminator 3 out on the big screen

If it is that part i think it Means Cameron's Terminators are better directed and he is an overall better Director

Theogre

07-02-2003, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
The Bottom Line:
Overall it’s a fun popcorn flick. Terminator fans should be more or less pleased, but I think everyone will agree James Cameron is still King Of The World. I recommend checking Terminator 3 out on the big screen

If it is that part i think it Means Cameron's Terminators are better directed and he is an overall better Director

Maybe it has a double meaning.
But the administrator didnt write that, i want to read the administrator review, now!!!!!!!!!

spiderman_2k

07-02-2003, 01:47 PM

Yeah the few comments he gave, showed he enjoyed it alot, it would be good to read.

Mat

07-02-2003, 04:18 PM

My view:

Terminator 3-
I have to say: Terminator 3 really suprised me that it was as bearable as it was. I won't delve into plot details (you can find those elsewhere), but I have to say that the movie was saved by Arnie, Nick Stahl, and the ending. This is a movie worthy of common summer popcorn fare, but not worthy of the Terminator franchise. Nick Stah comes to the franchise with a pretty good performance as a grown up John Connors. Claire Danes was pretty annoying in her role (probably the script more than her acting), and the car chase sequinces are a bit too long. I was checking my watch during them. The Terminatrix was nowhere near as menacing as the T-1000, plus her "new" powers didn't blow me away like the T-1000 did. The movie really lacked character development and Sarah Connors. She made T1 and T2 the great movies they were. I liked the ending of T3, though, and maybe T4 will be better.

Overall: 6.5 out of 10, worth seeing once in theaters or wait for the new release rental.

Halofan, you said John was "pussied" up. I think he just matured from when he was a kid. I don't think he forgot everingthing Sarah taught him.

Doomsday

07-02-2003, 05:36 PM

Yeah, the T-1000 was definitely a better villian than the T-X. He just seemed more...........evil. He was way better.

daveanator

07-02-2003, 06:24 PM

man was this movie good had a great story a lot of action and the ending was really good but there were times when i thought they had cut some parts but overall i loved it and im eagerly looking foward to the 4th one to see how it will all end becaue they shouldnt make a 5th one i give it a 9/10 gooo seee this movie!!!

jgar

07-02-2003, 07:42 PM

I also enjoyed this movie alot. It was way better than I expected. The crane chase scene was awesome and also Arnold's fight scenes with the T-X. Great special effects also. Overall, great movie although I did miss Linda Hamilton's character.

Lazlo Panaflex

07-02-2003, 08:30 PM

Great movie, great stunts and great acting by Arnold (?), it was a tad short for it being the final chapter to the Terminator trilogy but who knows, maybe they can make a T4 before Arnold gets any older.

P.S. this was better than Matrix Reloaded.

Halofan1

07-02-2003, 08:56 PM

Mat

07-02-2003, 09:50 PM

Yeah, the writing definately sucks. Didn't Claire Danes say something like "Screw you, *****!" to the TX? That was pitiful.

Lazlo, of course they have to do T4. They left us on pretty much a cliff hanger this time. The thing is: if Arnie runs and gets elected Governor of California, which he is threatening, T4 may be several years down the road.

JBond

07-02-2003, 10:02 PM

Ok I just got back form seeing this and surprising I think they did a great job on it.

First off the action: The action was exciting and well done but at times (crane scene) was often gratuatous and like someone earlier said, yes it was the same fighting scenes in the last movies.

But enough about that, you know what to expect. The thing I was worried about before seeing this was of course the plot, and I have to say it delievered quite well. Here are what I considered to be great scenes:

- Graveyard scene: When John Conner talks about his mother staying alive long enough to know Judgment Day was not going to happen, but still keeping weapons and as John put it, she didn't truely believe it was over yet either.

In the Skynet building where you see Kate's father talkign about allowing Skynet to fix the virus, in the background you see one of the Terminator flier rise. It was great to see what he was talking about doing would unleash what was right behind him to kill people

And of course there was the ending which was great, it felt like a Twilight Zone episode, it truely made the movie worth it.

Then we get to the humor which yes at some timeswas kind of hokey, especialyl "talk to the hand", but most of the time I was able to laugh it off and continue with the movie.

Personally I can't wait for Terminator 4, althoguh this one was not as great as the others, I feel ok refering to this as a triliogy now. To actually see the machines begin to break out of the building and start their killing was quite something, it really was the rise of the machines.

masked_jackass

07-02-2003, 10:03 PM

i've heard two people badmouth the Hulk on this thread, what's the problem with The Hulk, it was an amazing movie which just didnt focus on a big green guy smashing things, but rather the psycholigical aspect to the whole story? i didnt like the ending, but other than that what the hell else is so bad about it?

Godzilla

07-02-2003, 10:13 PM

The big question...was it better than Matrix Reloaded? My response...Hell no, MR was the superior movie.

That said and done, T3 completely rocks! I actually enjoyed this better than the first two! Yes it is obvious that Cameron's touch is absent, but in my eyes, that was what really helped the movie. T1 and T2 were good, but I felt the emotional factor slowed the pace of both of them. T3's got everything I ever wanted in a Arnold movie: great action, great humor, (in some cases) great FX, and of course Arnold himself (last time they made an Arnold movie without him we ended up with the Scorpion King :o ).

I remember back when I first saw the Teaser with Men In Black II, it was terrible! I mean what the hell? One of the worst teasers I've ever seen! Then I saw the Trailer with Matrix Reloaded, it was so-so, nothing to get excited about. I ended up seeing this on opening day because, hey, it's Arnold on the big screen! That alone should be worth it!

During the entire movie I was completely blown away! With the exception of one tiny detail, John Connors was 10 during the events of T2 (check the computor screen in T-1000's police car), in T3 they often say he was 13. This made me sink in my seat, but it was minor. I overlooked it and enjoyed the movie while it lasted! The T-X ruled! Arnolds new Terminator's secret was shocking! And the ending was awsome! Somehow I wish they make a T4, and somehow I wish they don't. It ended so perfect here! But if they do make a T4, I hope it's about the events leading up to Reese and the Original Terminator geting sent back in time.

Overall, I'd rank in my top 5 Schwazenegger films along with the Running Man, True Lies, and Predator. And so far it's my 3rd favorite movie of the year.

captain cocanut

07-02-2003, 10:24 PM

no it's way better than Reloaded :) IMO

Hatter

07-02-2003, 10:26 PM

Hmm. Well.
Obviously it wasn't as good as the two previous installments... they were really Cameron's brainchild.
But does it stand on its own? Yes.

This film almost seems like a "What If?" to me, a tribute to the Terminator films. That's why I'm a bit more lenient with it. If Cameron had made this, I would have been sorely dissapointed. But this was a competent, fun outing from people who did their best without Cameron's crucial point of view.

It definitely could have used another good 20 minutes, though. More character development with Claire Danes' character, John Connor, and even the T-X. Sorry, but I just can't be afraid of someone so damn hot. The T-1000 gave me nightmares for years. The T1-14s were cooler than her.
It could have definitely used much more gore. There was barely any blood spilled. The arm through the chest was nice, but I guess the T-X's design doesn't really lend itself to exquisite violence like the T-1000 did.
And don't get me started on Brad Fiedel's absence. Terminator is all about synth and percussion.
I was also dissapointed at the lack of an opening credits w/ Terminator theme. It's iconic, for God's sake... you have to start the movie with it!

Despite all my complaints, the last 45 minutes or so were quite fantastic. From when they leave the RV site, Terminator's revelation of John's death, Skynet taking over... (what Terminator fan hasn't longed to see that?)
I loved the tension. Their futre was really up in the air... will they actually stop Skynet? I liked the death of the two Terminators. It was a gamble taking them out before the climax, but it payed off. And what a climax... I was tearing up. How heartbreaking! It just blew me away. Those eerily beautiful shots of Judgement Day...

I probably won't see it again in theatres, but I'll definitely pick up the DVD. (Hopefully we'll get some sort of Terminator Trilogy 3-pack.)

Godzilla

07-02-2003, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by captain cocanut
no it's way better than Reloaded :) IMO

BLASPHAMY!:mad:

But neither is as good as Ghostbusters.:o

captain cocanut

07-02-2003, 10:28 PM

The sixth day is better than Reloaded.... IMO

Godzilla

07-02-2003, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by captain cocanut
The sixth day is better than Reloaded.... IMO

The 6th Day was awsome.:o

Fanible

07-03-2003, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Mat
My view:

Terminator 3-
I have to say: Terminator 3 really suprised me that it was as bearable as it was. I won't delve into plot details (you can find those elsewhere), but I have to say that the movie was saved by Arnie, Nick Stahl, and the ending. This is a movie worthy of common summer popcorn fare, but not worthy of the Terminator franchise. Nick Stah comes to the franchise with a pretty good performance as a grown up John Connors. Claire Danes was pretty annoying in her role (probably the script more than her acting), and the car chase sequinces are a bit too long. I was checking my watch during them. The Terminatrix was nowhere near as menacing as the T-1000, plus her "new" powers didn't blow me away like the T-1000 did. The movie really lacked character development and Sarah Connors. She made T1 and T2 the great movies they were. I liked the ending of T3, though, and maybe T4 will be better.

Overall: 6.5 out of 10, worth seeing once in theaters or wait for the new release rental.

Halofan, you said John was "pussied" up. I think he just matured from when he was a kid. I don't think he forgot everingthing Sarah taught him.

I havn't been totally decided on what I exactly thought about the movie.

However what you've just said is almost near exactly what I felt after watching it. It was pretty good, and yes the ending was nice and there definitly needs to be a part 4. However the film was lacking in quite a few things here and there. It may of been due to the absence of James Cameron. No matter how good this movie is or people think it is, it would of been ten times better if Cameron did it. But unfortunatly plans change.

John did not do much though I agree. The action was pretty much left between the machines, and I do agree the female terminator wasn't nearly as menacing or interesting to watch onscreen as the T-1000. And you're also right that it has nothing to do with the actress nor it being a woman. The script just didn't do much, and the add-in effects and weapons didn't make her character very interesting either. And one thing I noticed is was all the explanations of WHY it was a woman this time around. Example being that shes pretty and could get around easily. But honestly, this played NO role whatsoever in the film, except one short scene in the beginning with a cop, but I got the impression that she killed him quick anyway. Not to mention that line "say I like your gun" was already old the second time used right after she said "say I like your car".

They kept the comedy, but it was a little overboard and too silly for me at times. True this makes no difference for a machine who has no emotion and knows not what hes doing. But seeing it kinda grabs me slapstick too much. I liked more mere fun lines. Besides those, there were still the comedy lines that were fun.

All the characters really didn't have much development. You kinda wondered about all of them really. And it didn't help much that the film seemed way too short. Things just came and went quick within what was going on.

I do think and agree with that John Conner was "pussied" up. Wether or not he matured, I would of rather of seen him do more. Sarah Conner in the sequel was an awsome bad ass and you saw her do a lot and assist a whole lot. The problem with some fights and chases is that the T-X was too powerful, and near unstoppable. This made for no fights between Conner and her to be anything interesting, and the only thing left for the fights was Arnold, which he didn't do much when he did fight her.

As to what I was saying in the beginning of that, we didn't see Conner do much. He didn't appear to have any leadership feeling whatsoever. He didn't do much except shoot the T-X a couple times but it didn't really do anything. He was more in panic and run than anything that appeared tough.

Overall I won't say it's the best. It's no where near as good as T-2. And im saying it comes in close to T-1, mainly due to the effects. But as story goes, it didn't say much except that it was interesting that they were targeting the Lieutenants, and then the result of the ending showing that a fourth would be more than plausible.

The effects were great except for a few CGI stuff here and there. I can't compare it to the Matrix though. There seemed to be a ton of CGI in the Terminator. Someone said Matrix CGIed it up too much in comparison to T-3, however as far as live action shots went, there was more CGI in Terminator... which included a lot of the action, the transformations, the guns and whatnot, the fights, the chases at times, and then some.

The best CG shot in the movie was at the very ending with Arnold half ripped apart. Extremely impressive. I loved it.

I'd say a 7 out of 10 is a perfectly fine score. Yeah maybe a 6.5. It gets up this high for the effects and the little attempt to add in a bit more story and an opening for a fourth movie. Thats about all though. And no, the story and plot does not add up anywhere near the Matrix. Im waiting for Revolutions, and add in the entire script of this half and half movie, chances are I will still have the Matrix be my favorite of the year between the two. I also can't imagine I'd enjoy going to see T-3 over and over. It would get boring after awhile. I agree it's a good first time watcher, maybe even second. But it could get easily boring.

JBond

07-03-2003, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Hatter
I was also dissapointed at the lack of an opening credits w/ Terminator theme. It's iconic, for God's sake... you have to start the movie with it!

Totally agreed, thats the main reason I went to the movie ;)

Latilleon

07-03-2003, 08:17 AM

Matrix Reloaded was great and much better than T3... Matrix Reloaded will be completely redeemed when Matrix Revolutions comes out by everyone who doesn't like it. I think the fact Reloaded had so much unanswered questions and uattainably high expectations by people with four years of built anticipation hurt things....

That said... T3 was TOO COOL!!!!

I didn't like the humor, but I laughed at it... T3 was like the Scream of the Terminator movies. Maybe producers and Mostow thought that was needed to easy the criticism of Terminator internet nerdboys :mad: ;) :mad: that would criticize every ascept of the film due to Cameron still being hard from his blue pill of Titangra. It was like they were saying to the audience, lighten up... We're going to really depress you at the end so we need you to be happy with the first hour and thirty minutes.

I didn't like the changes to the trilogy continuality. In T2, John was obviously 10 years old and now the movie says he was 13 when everything happened? Come one now. You mean to tell me 10 year olds can't play spin the bottle? I did!!! I guess it doesn't look good for a 10 year old to drop out of fifth grade, but the way I see it, Sarah home-schooled John, military style. I didn't like some of the plot things that didn't make sense. Like how the hell did they get into the military installation? At least in T2, you saw how they got into the hospital and how they got into the Cyberdyne headquarters. Could something have been explained how they got into the main room of a highest of the highest top secret installation. At least we could figure how T-X got in, but how the hell did Kate, John, and Uncle Bob V 2.0 do it? With WEAPONS NO LESS!!! If you can get into a miltary base that easily, I'll tell you what bub... THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON!. I also wondered why John didn't just show Kate the machine parts on Arnold so she wouldn't go crazy like she did. Finally, I think the dumbest part of the movie was when John asked the Terminator if he remembered Hasta La Vista baby... I know the filmmakers knew some ignorant and stupid people would be in the audience, but could they have found a better way to explain it wasn't the same T-800?

But I enjoyed the movie, but just like X-Men in 2000, I left thinking wow and then wow that was short. I want more movie!!! The best part without a doubt was the ending. I was not expecting that! I'll tell you what... It is the perfect ending to the Terminator series, and an end to Arnold's participation in the series. Instead of Terminator 4, they need to make a franchise that revolves around John Conner and Kate Brewster and the fight against the machines. That way, there will not be a crazy expectation for movies to be made the same way as the Terminator movies were. That way, we won't expect to her "Come with me if you want to live" or "I'll be back". Best of all, the decade old line "Talk to the hand" is never to be uttered again in a sci-fi action flick (Now watch as Yoda says it in 2004 ).:rolleyes: But the ending was the kind of thing that I think "Planet of the Apes" was reaching for in 2001, but never quite reached. It is to be appreciated in it's subtlety, and after all, we all should have expected it to happen because with no war, there would be no Terminator coming back to save Conner from another Terminator. As has been written before, it was terribly blissful. My question... Who sent them to the bunker, General Brewster or the Terminator? Did the Terminator have that intention from the jump when he agreed to go to the base?

The question that I'm mainly asking myself is this... Why did Kate have the Terminator kill John in the future? Was he on the sauce again or something?

On the T-X
She was bad ass and I think the problem with people comparing her with T-1000 is that first she was fine as hell... and they takes away some of that menacing apperance. But she was just as cold as Robert Patrick... She had everything Patrick had, but she didn't get to show it off because the movie was so short... And She didn't really seem bent on taking out John. It seemed like she was focusing on Kate and the secondary targets more despite discovering John. Loken should have had more screen time to show how cold-hearted she was. I think it would have been really cool for her to have seduced Kate's fiance before killing him to show there was a reason she was a female and to make the fiance out to be a prick so we wouldn't feel bad that John Conner stole the guy's girl. After all, at the beginning, Kate made it like he really didn't want to marry her.

All in all... a good movie. It is the second movie this year I've wanted to see multiple times (after the Matrix Reloaded)

8 of 10 (where I give MR 9.5 out of 10)

ITDEFX

07-03-2003, 01:01 PM

HMM...

Well this movie wasn't bad, wasn't good, was ok. i will see it again perhaps taking my older brother cause he took me to see T2 when it first came out, so i will return the favor. Between t3 and t2, this movie didn't have an emotional impact on me with the ending of t2 as it did. At the end of T2 we see the terminator (arnold) finally understanding people("I know why you cry now, but I can never do it.." and then gets lowed into the pit. The scene with the music made it very emoitonal..I clearly rememberd when the terminator 'died' i did shed some tears. An excellent ending and gave hope for the future with Connor's ending narriation. a lot of people clapped.

At the end of T3, no one clapped period..I was hoping that somehow the t-850 would barly manage to survive and stay with John and Katie and then that would open the door for arnold to be back for t4.

seems that there were too many plot holes in this movie. finding out that Sara died of Lukimia(sp?) and having her ashes scattered by her friends without her son knowing about it? What about the police in LA? How dumb have they gotten in this movie. Its like after the two terminators fight each other the first time and then its like each of them walk around without anyone really noticing them?

And the weird virus that was crippling things in the background in the movie. Some people say it was Skynet but how can that be? if Skynet was developed by the military, how could have it hit the net before it was unleashed? If skynet was unleshed on to the net and taking over every computer on the planet to be 'everywhere', then what was the point of launching its nukes? it like cripples itself in the process. The movie does not mention skynet's background from Cyberdyne.

Now it would make perfect sense to me if the T-X had Skynet's main core program in her and uploaded it to the bases computers and then the machines started taking over..

The cemetery shoot out wasn't that great either. btw, did anyone found it strange that John could fit in a coffin full of guns and a rocket launcher and be hit by strey bullets?? Siberman's scene was pointless. and he like ran all funny when he saw the terminator. what ever happened to "oh my god, Connor was right?"

the T-850 felt too human to me..come on Psycology speak from a terminator? Now if they 'reprogrammed him' like they did in T2, then ok..i would have understood.

When the T-850 threw out his damaged fuel cell, I thought, what the hell? so guy picks that up and deveoples new weapons of mass destruction down the road, but then when it blows, i am like, cool but pointless.

The ending bunker scene just made me wonder, where are all the weapons?? and his radio talk with the other base, it was like pointless. Can't do anything about it when you literaly trapped inside of a mountain.

The final scene of the missle attack should not have happened..I really think that we should have seen actual machines attacking the cities, not that would have been the real rise of the machines.

Overall dispite plot holes I think its worth seeing again. i really missed Camerons dark blue scenes and angles and Brad Fedels music.

KINGKURT553

07-03-2003, 01:26 PM

I didn't want to post this in the Official Review thread because I thought this place needed a few more topics then replies. Anyways, onto the review...Also, I saw the movie Tuesday night at 8:00 PM. I had to post a review at like 5+ message boards and I forgot to post it here.

The years of waiting are over. The time had came. I was expecting a lot. And I got what I wanted. Action, comedy, the moment of the plot slowly unraveling as the movie progressed, the moment of understanding the whole story. My god.

It was worth all the hype. All the wait. It was worth it all. I got to the movies about an hour and 30 minutes before, 3 people already being there. The first guy was holding a spot for like 7 guys, which pissed me off. The second person had like 6 guys. The third person just had, I'm guessing, boyfriend with him. Then it was my friend, his dad, my dad, and me.

When they opened the doors, everyone rushed it. People from behind us tried to get ahead of us, but no way was I letting that ***** go in front of me. So I went from the other side. I ran to get us the best seats, which I did. I got to sit pretty much in the middle, which I did.

Anyways, onto the review:

Arnold kicked ass from start to finish. He did what he does best. Oh, and how old is he? Because he was acting as good as he did in Conan and Total Recall.

TX was a villain that I was expecting to do a good job, but not as good as T-1000, and that's what happened. The TX was awesome, but not as good as the T-1000. Although way more powerful, but the T-1000 was something new and amazing. This was just an improved T-1000.

Where was Sarah Conner?!?!?!?!? Who cares?!? I completely forgot about her through out the movie. She was an important part in The Terminator movies, but the director did an awesome job of making the movie without her. Props to that.

The action was not overdone, not underdone, but just perfect. The action, however, used a lot of today's technology. Where as in T2, it was limited, and yet, perfect as well. But the action scenes were awesome. I mean, wow. I jaw dropped when they occurred, very awesome.

I suggest you ALL check out the movie. Its worth the money.

Overall movie rating: 9/10 I could go ahead and say this was the best movie, but I know I'll take that back because its just the moment right now that's got me shocked. The acting was unbelievable. The whole cast played the there parts brilliantly. But this is the best movie of the Summer so far.

-Aren~

Blueman

07-03-2003, 02:19 PM

T3 is the best movie of the summer

better than reloaded,better than x2,problay better than finding nemo

and defintlety better than that piece of **** hulk for crying out loud daredevil did was a better movie

T3 is so good better than the first not better than the second but the action was better than the second

Blueman

07-03-2003, 02:20 PM

i think jonatahn mostow was the best choice to do this'

he did a awsome job

so i congradulate him on his superior job!

wookie11

07-03-2003, 03:39 PM

Wow, certialny didn't like that movie, I thought the cinimatography was week, I hated the brutal attmpt to rehash the funny parts from the last move, and the characters were bad.

Not trying to be an ass, I just thought it was terrible.

The second one, was fantastic, possibly one of the best movies I've ever seen, this felt like a rip off. The funny thing about arnie in the 2nd one was his lack of understanding, this one made him seem like a comical sideshow, what a waste!!! OH well, expectation were to high I guess.... I even thought the action scenes were weak, maybe I'm comparing them to Matrix 2.

ElysiumFirefly

07-03-2003, 05:02 PM

I thought that the TX was hella scary. She was just so heartless and evil. Claire Danes was the best part of the movie in my opinion, but she's one of my favorite actresses so that may have had some influence over my decision.
The only good thing about Nick Stahl was that he resembled Sarah Conner and Kyle Reese more then Edward Furlong. John Conner needed to be more of a leader, not just a coward... I was upset by this. Arnold was perfect as always as the Terminator, and I did miss Sarah Conner, she was such a badass- the movie would have been cooler if she'd been in it, but whatever.
James Cameron needs to come back and do T4, or else i'm going to be pissed off because I think we need another sequel to tie things up.
All in all this movie was better then i expected, I just wish that the dialogue hadn't sucked as much as it did. 7.8/10 is the rating I'd give it. Let's just hope for a sequel.

slinger

07-03-2003, 06:19 PM

Sunday had to be James Cameron day.

The Terminator on TNT, Terminator 2 on Sci-Fi, Aliens on FMC and True Lies on Fox.

I watched T2 and parts of the other films. Today I saw T3 and while I enjoyed it, T2 still remains the superior film in the trilogy. T2 is too hard to top. T3 without Cameron lacked a few things but what's done is done.

At first I was't liking how the story was going, but once the chase scene was over I forgot about that. Missed the opening theme but I read that it would be at the end so I was expecting that.

The T-X was too deadly. I didn't like how she killed at the start of the film, I thought the T-1000's methods (Foster Parents, etc) was better. Built in weapon that can pretty much dispose of Arnold with one shot? And taking control of other machines? That was one part of the chase scene I didn't like having the cars with no drivers. Seemed lame. Plus she didn't seem to have any evil music to accompany her ala T-1000.

I did like how it just wasn't John who was in danger this time. If you do kill him, someone else will take his place. Sarah Connor was handled the best they could. Earl's cameo would've been better if he was the one hit by John. John might recognize him. He sees Arnold drive by on the motorcycle and runs away in disbelief.

One part that was interesting in T2 was the public knew about Uncle Bob, Sarah and John but didn't know about how the fate of the world relied on them. They were seen as criminals. Like how they mentioned the 1984 Police Station shooting. I would've enjoyed mention of the '84 shooting and '94 battle.

The ending was great. Seeing the first Terminators was similar to seeing the Clone Troopers in Episode II. With the unstoppable T-X I wondered how she would be terminated. Thought that was a great way to get rid of them and I'm glad they didn't try to copy T1 and T2's endings.

The whole Skynet virus makes you think if we can expect this kind of stuff in the future. Not on such a grand scale.

Bring on T4. It was mentioned that "their children are important" so perhaps that would be the route to go. Much further in the future they try one last time to take down Skynet. With an appearence by the T-1000.

Hellhamster

07-03-2003, 06:59 PM

I find it hard to believe that the cinematography sucks. It was done By Don Burgess, the same man behind the cinematography of:

Forrest Gump
Contact
What Lies Benieth
Cast Away
Spiderman
The Bourne Identity

and the coming

Polar Express

Now I'm a big fan of this man so instead of just saying "I didn't like the cinematography" because it sounds fancy, instead explain what elements of the movie made the cinematography bad!

Blueman

07-03-2003, 07:36 PM

i dont know how anybody copuldnt have liked this mvoie

you must have really bad tast

or youre a old fart who likes boring movies

teewee1432

07-03-2003, 09:02 PM

I saw this movie 2 times yesterday thats something I hadnt done for any movie in quite a few years. I went out today and brought Terminator 1 to go along with my T2 extreme edition dvd, and I will finally be able to watch it without all the commecial breaks that tbs and usa network have. I cant wait to watch it as soon as I get done posting this. The first time I saw this movie yesterday I thought it was ok I spent a majority of my time in awe during the first hour because I couldnt believe I was finally seeing a terminator movie on the big screen because I was to young at the time to see the other two in the movies. I saw this movie again last night with my cousin and I REALLY ENJOYED this movie. It didnt hold a candle to T2, but this movie still rocked.

Arnold was bad ass in this movie, and the female terminator was hot and deadly all rolled into one. I thought that the action and special effects were awesome, you could tell that alot of time, care, and money went into making them. I liked the cameo by the shrink who played in the first two films, and I liked how they wrote out Sarah Connors character. My cousin was the one who pointed out to me that he wished this movie was a little bit longer because I handt really noticed. This movie was so fast paced that you didnt even feel like you were sitting there for an hour and 45 minutes. Granted it wasnt as long as T2 was becuase that movie was 2 hours and 20 minutes, but terminator 1 was only and 1 and 47 minutes so this movie fit perfectly into the previous two films catagory. The only thing that I didnt like about this movie was that they didnt use the terminator score until the very end, I was looking forward to hearing it throughout the movie.

My score for this movie is 8/10 bring on T4!!! But I would not see this movie if Arnold is not gonna be in it though, it would take alot of previews to change my mind from that.

captain cocanut

07-03-2003, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by Godzilla
The 6th Day was awsome.:o

Exactly!!!:applaud:

Godzilla

07-03-2003, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by captain cocanut
Exactly!!!:applaud:

Two Arnolds are better than one! :D

Tim37ninjageniu

07-03-2003, 11:48 PM

I just saw it and it was awesome. Read my review on teh general movies page

Fanible

07-03-2003, 11:57 PM

People either loved it with not the best of reasons... or people thought it was ok and pointed out, that yes, there were many many gaps and holes.

Oh well. People who noticed this have had a little more logic to it, but the movie was ok. Im not sure it was the best movie of the summer. If they make a fourth it would be cool if Cameron could get in on it. That would be a nice change.

JBond

07-04-2003, 12:59 AM

I find it VERY unlikely Cameron will have anything to do with T4, people can stop dreaming. I mean think about it, he didn't want to do T3 but they did it and changed his story and characters around and then left a cliffhanger...do you think Cameron would want, or even be the right person to take over?

They did the same thing to his Alien series, poor guy ;)

Godzilla

07-04-2003, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by JBond
I find it VERY unlikely Cameron will have anything to do with T4, people can stop dreaming. I mean think about it, he didn't want to do T3 but they did it and changed his story and characters around and then left a cliffhanger...do you think Cameron would want, or even be the right person to take over?

They did the same thing to his Alien series, poor guy ;)

And I find that a good thing. I never bought that "Happily Ever After" bull that he gave us at the end of T2 and Aliens. Not to say that they were bad, I like them both but I liked the endings of T3 and Alien 3 better.

FrankTheBunny

07-04-2003, 02:10 AM

I just got back from seeing T3 a little while ago and since I had no expectations, I was quite suprised at how well the movie was handled.

True, the beginning credits weren't as cool as T1 or T2, but from there on, it was a ride. I really liked Nick Stahl's and Arnold's acting. Nick brought about a great sense of complexity to John's character, and helped progress the story nicely. I think Claire Danes did an adequate job, and she held her own. The T-X wasn't overly scary like the T-1000, and it was a little disappointing.

The thing that I thought was handled well was how the continuity was handled. I thought after T2, the story was closed, yet finding out more about Skynet's origins, it helped close those holes that I thought couldn't be filled.

Overall, its a great summer popcorn flick. :)

SamuraiiSam

07-04-2003, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Halofan1
I'm afraid you're an idiot.

The Matrix Reloaded was great, I'm sorry it required brain usage.

Hey, what did I ever do to you? It's just my opinion, man. And to set the record straight, the reason I didn't like the film was because I felt the movie had poor execution and boring action scenes. Not because I forgot to turn my brain on. A friend of mine and I actually talked about The Matrix for days. The discussions are limitless. I just feel the film didn't reach its full potential. The first one did.

FunnyBone

07-04-2003, 08:54 PM

I thought this movie was great. Yeah, it didn't have the emotion of T2 but its harder to have to emotion with John Conners all grown up but with him being a child, it meant more, sorta like the kid & ET connection.

The action was awesome. I thought the car chase scene was never going to end. Some of the stuff going on had me holding my breath.

The TX was not as jaw breaking as the T-1000 . The T-1000 was very spooky and unbelievable. Very scary character but the TX was more of "beware" scary.

I don't think John Conners was less brave in this one than T2 because if he was 10 then he would've not really understood what he was up against. Now in T3 hes afraid more because he knows whats coming.

The ending was great. It now leaves you wanting more. I feel there has to be a T4. I agree in one case that having Ar-nuld come back he would be more old and washed up and it would be more interesting with John & Kate by themselves up against these machines, but he has to come back because he has to do u know what to John in the end.

This makes me wonder if as a final (T4) make Arnuld's character the bad guy again. Maybe the T-1000 or TX will be a good guy.

Overall I loved this movie. Its better than the 1st one and close enough to the 2nd one.

Its like a combo of the 1st and 2nd which I think is a good thing because if there is a T4 its gonna be like nothing we ever saw, so this T3 leaves us happy with the car chases and the running and the saving. T3 is better unorginal because I rather see something closer than having nothing to do with the movie.

This movie is a 8.9/10 (and IT IS better than the MATRIX)

thebtskink

07-04-2003, 09:25 PM

Let's see..... I liked the T-1000 better than the T-X.... more menacing, more of the evil grin.

I don't like how T3 changed one of the key premises of the last two movies... that you can change the future. To me, that element was one of the most intriguing aspects of the last two. But, all in all, it seems that it had to be thrown out in order for a sequel to be made.

The effects on the TX were outstanding. I was blown away.

As somebody mentioned before, I actually liked the car chase in T3 more than Matrix Reloaded's freeway scene. It was just very, very entertaining to watch.

Though some of the humor was a little overdone, I think that most of it served it's place in releasing tension.

Now, T3 doesn't live up to T2's beautiful cinematagraphy, intriguing plot line, menacing villain, and overall good acting, but is by no means saying that T3 was a bad movie. It was above average, I'd say. 7/10.

Fanible

07-05-2003, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by thebtskink

As somebody mentioned before, I actually liked the car chase in T3 more than Matrix Reloaded's freeway scene. It was just very, very entertaining to watch.

I'll agree with ya there. Although Reloaded's freeway scene was pretty cool, and with their new effects could make it quick and pressed. However theres nothing better than a Terminator chase scene with all the trashing about and whatnot. It' makes for great big screen fun.

Oh yeah, and I know James Cameron probably won't come back. He's not like that anyways. He usually tends to try to make everything original.

The only reason he did T-2 really in the first place, was cause T-1 was like his first really big hit, and he had to do the whole thing creativly due to the extremely low budget. So now that he had the opportunity with the funding to continue somewhat what he wanted to do last time, he came into the franchise again.

If Cameron wanted to, he would of made T-3 long ago. I just wish he could of atleast wrote a script for it. Im not saying I want Cameron to do another movie all together, or imagine him doing it. But co-writing a script or producing or something would be a nice change. I mean heck, he did atleast come back and do the T-2: 3D.

ILOVEKATIE

07-05-2003, 05:59 AM

I saw the film yesterday, I was surprise by it, I like it alot.

Not as good as T2 but a great summer movie in my opinion.

Although the acting wasn't as good as T2, everyone in this film all did a good job, Nick Stahl was a good John Connor, the scene at the end when he hears a commander(?) on the radio and tells him that he's John Connor, the expression on his face was great, his future was being realize before his eyes, he's going to become the leader of man.
The TX wasn't as scary as the T-1000, Patrick just has this intense look the can make you cry of fear. But overall the TX was nice addition.
The action....very very good, the movie its a ride, a chase that doesn't stop until the end. Many people are comparing Reloaded and T3's action sequences, although I like both I thought T3's action was more raw and hardcore, while Reloaded was more choreographed.
The action on this film is worth the ticket price alone.

What I like most about this film is that they actually show what we been hearing for the past decade or so..."judgement day" the end of the word. Yes, we saw a very quick glimpse of it in T2 but nothing like this. The Machines have risen.
I thought the ending was great and fit the whole theme of the film perfectly. It gave us a look of what has begun.

Overall a great film, I will watch it again.

tedward

07-05-2003, 10:21 AM

I thought this movie was fantastic. It was basically a 2 hour chase movie. There were no prolonged slow moments in it to let you rest, just wall to wall excitement and I loved it.

I saw parts of the crane scene and the grave yard scenes in trailers and they didnt sound that great but they totally blew me away.

The crane chase scene made the matrix freeway scene look like a waste of money. It was fantastic.

Some other fave scenes.

Graveyard scene: When they talk about what happend to sara was cool.

When the T-1s go on the rampage at skynet that was very cool too.

Practically every scene has a cool action moment in it - the scene where the two robots beact the living daylights out of each other in the toilet block was another good one.

The ending like JBond said felt like a Twilight Zone episode, EXACTLY, it truely made the movie worth it. (I pretty much agree with all of JBonds coments earlier.)

The tale about how skynet started was cool. During the movie I was thinking how can skynet just suddenly exist? but the explanation they gave at the end was cool.

The humour - the first talk to the hand scene - where he actully talks to the hand was funny. I also liked the part at the beginning when she is pulled up by the cops in front of the billboard.

The tx - She wasnt as scary as the cold swaeat inducing t-1000 but she could really kick arse. Any scene where she uses her cannon were great - and when she drags arnie throught the toilets was great too.

Summary: with a third time travelling film the whole time/fate/destiny things become confusing - I think if you just view this film as a 'one off' you will love it. As I said before its basically just a two hour chase film, it is unquestionably a terminator film and its absolutelly great.

captain cocanut

07-05-2003, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by thebtskink
Let's see..... I liked the T-1000 better than the T-X.... more menacing, more of the evil grin.

I don't like how T3 changed one of the key premises of the last two movies... that you can change the future. To me, that element was one of the most intriguing aspects of the last two. But, all in all, it seems that it had to be thrown out in order for a sequel to be made.

The effects on the TX were outstanding. I was blown away.

As somebody mentioned before, I actually liked the car chase in T3 more than Matrix Reloaded's freeway scene. It was just very, very entertaining to watch.

Though some of the humor was a little overdone, I think that most of it served it's place in releasing tension.

Now, T3 doesn't live up to T2's beautiful cinematagraphy, intriguing plot line, menacing villain, and overall good acting, but is by no means saying that T3 was a bad movie. It was above average, I'd say. 7/10.

Of course they couldn't change the future.... if they did change it.... John would not exist.....

Plus they did change it a little.... they did delay Judgement day.....

Mat

07-05-2003, 05:09 PM

I got to see it again (for free, luckily), I have to say: I'm never going to see it again unless it's on TNT. It just got very boring. I will say something good, tho, the CG is excellent. Nick Stahl and Arnie still give the best performances, and if they were given a decent story or dialog I bet it'd be a good movie. Claire Danes continued to be annoying (I didn't think she'd stop), and the plot felt very contrived this time around. Everything was enevitable and that pretty much screws the theme of the last two. James Cameron is a smart man for staying away. I agree with a poster earlier, they did the exact same thing with Aliens to Alien 3.

Mat's updated score: 5.5 out of 10

captain cocanut

07-05-2003, 07:59 PM

I've seen it three times and IMO it's gotten better each time :)

Plus I thought the story was better than T2.

Fanible

07-05-2003, 08:23 PM

.....

teewee1432

07-05-2003, 10:00 PM

I also saw this more then once, and enjoyed it more the 2nd time. I'm glad its doing good at the box-office.

On a side note I was watching T2 tonight with the audio commentary from James Cameron on for the first time, and I noticed that during the end of the movie he completly dissed T3. It happened at the part where Arnold was shooting at the s.w.a.t team as he was trying to get sarah, and john conner out of the skynet buliding, and arnold was leaving to get the van and he said "I'll be back", and james cameron laughted and said this sounds a heck of a lot better then "she'll be back". And he and his writing partner who was also on the commentary track had a good laugh. It just got me a little upset not because what he said may or maynot have been right but it was the way he said it so condensending and the laughter and smart comments that he made after. James is a good director I'll give him that, but how many more years to come is he going to ride the titanic's coat tails before he makes another movie?

Marvin

07-05-2003, 10:20 PM

I'm glad Cameron feels the same way as I do about T3.

Fanible

07-06-2003, 12:46 AM

James Cameron has ALWAYS taken a long time to make his movies. He takes his time when he writes. The good thing about him is that he doesn't say hes going to do something, announce it way before production or a script is even written. That causes deals to close with studios and then you have to force something out.

He takes his time and when something good and fresh comes to his mind, he adds it to his script. It's what has made him one of the best writer/directors in Hollywood. And im perfectly down with that. I think Cameron felt the series ended in the way he wanted to, in the way he thought it should I guess.

I do know they cut out the original ending to T-2 because it was cheesy and would leave no opening for a sequel. But anyways, it doesn't really matter to me. James Cameron will make another movie when he's ready, and chances are it'll be another big hit.

tedward

07-06-2003, 06:51 AM

T-3 keeps growing on me. I think its the ideal sequel to t-2. Its not the most plot laden movie but if youve seen the previous two you can revel in many of the small parts like finding out what happens to sara, and how judgement day comes about.

Its also cool when Arnie says "I'm back!"

Fanible

07-06-2003, 10:38 PM

Cheesy came to my mind.

wookie11

07-09-2003, 02:57 AM

I find it hard to believe that the cinematography sucks. It was done By Don Burgess, the same man behind the cinematography of

Forrest Gump
Contact
What Lies Benieth
Cast Away
Spiderman
The Bourne Identity

and the coming

Polar Express

Now I'm a big fan of this man so instead of just saying "I didn't like the cinematography" because it sounds fancy, instead explain what elements of the movie made the cinematography bad!
:

I thought I eplxianed it well.....

The movie had no "feeling" for me, at the end of two I wanted to cry, to make a guy want to cry in an arnie movie is pretty damn impressive

It was incredible how they brought feeling to a machine, and they did it in an incredible way. You really liked the Terminator character, but he wasn't cheezy like he was in T3. I thought the jokes in T3 were bad and rehashed, they could have done a better bar scene, instead of some fruit cake guy. The TX was cool, but didn't have the same erieness as the T1000, The music used was great foor the time period "you could be mine G'N'R" everytime I hear that song I think of the bike scene. They could have done a more original car chase, instead of big rig and bike/car. Arnie turned into how he was in T2 way to quickly, he just developed his humor to fast.

i dont know how anybody copuldnt have liked this mvoie

you must have really bad tast

or youre a old fart who likes boring movies

I'm 24, loved 1 and 2 was one of my favorites of all time. I don't think I have bad taste, just think that T3 wasn't done as well as it could have been done, it seems like they rushed it instead of making a really good movie, which after the first two is what I was hoping for.

Maybe my expectations were to high, or maybe T2 was unbeatable, too good of a movie to duplicate. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.

OzzMosiz

07-09-2003, 05:09 AM

Cameron has been very pleased with T3.

wookie11

07-09-2003, 11:43 AM

Dr. Silberman

Another thing, I had fortunatly forgotten about until now that made T3 bad!

That was the worst addition to any movie I have ever seen.

spiderman_2k

07-09-2003, 11:47 AM

They just threw him in for the heck of it, hes another way of link all the movies together....

A35

07-09-2003, 03:47 PM

I loved T3. I was very surpised just how good the movie was, given that I thought the movie was going to suck, for several reasons (i.e., the trailers, uncertainty about the storyline, the abscence of James Cameron).

The action was superb, and suprisingly, the acting was good. As much as I hate to admit this, Nick Stahl was a very good John Conner. He brought a lot of dimension to the role, and was quite convinsing in it. I know that some didn't see John as much of a leader, I think that some have to remember that Connor, up until the last scene in the movie, didn't accept his destiny at all. He had no real purpose, given the fact that the end of the world didn't happen in 1997, and he didn't want the world to end at all. He was so busy trying to stop Judgement Day, that he didn't accept the fact that his destiny is to lead the human resistance against Skynet, and help carry them to victory. His reaction to all of this was quite understandable, especially knowing that something terrible is going to happen. Yet, when he knew that there was nothing he could do to stop Judgement Day, that's when he finally stepped up to the plate as a leader. The scene when he said that he was in charge, obviously will lead into the next movie. John's character was in development all throughout the movie, and I think the movie did a good job in showing that.

Remember, Sarah Connor acted like a badass, because she knew that she had to be strong for John. That was her purpose, and she accepted it. John, up until the end, didn't accept his destiny, which was why he didn't act like a leader. John Connor already had the knowledge and the tools to be a soldger, but he just didn't use it, because he didn't want it, which was quite understandable. Now that Judgement Day has already happened, Connor had no choice but to step up to the plate, and be a leader.

As for the T-X, she isn't as good as the T-1000, but she was still good. She was definately scarry to me, and the actress who played her did a good job in the role.

As for Kate Brewster, I am pleasntly surprised how good her role was. I didn't expect much from this character at all, but to my surprise, she is just as important to the human resistance as John is. As much as I hate to admit this, Kate definately reminds me of Sarah Connor, from the first two movies. She, like Sarah in T1, was kinda wimpy at the beginning, but became more *****y as the movie progressed, as Sarah was in T2. I am very surprised that Claire Danes nailed the part so well. I didn't expect her to do well in ths movie, since she doesn't appear to be the type of actress that would do well in a action movie, but I was so wrong. She's definately a good addition to the Terminator franchise, and I can't wait to see how her character developes in the next movie. Her and Nick definately had descent chemistry, and I will be curious to see how their relationship develops in T4, since they are suppose to get married.

Back to the movie, I am glad that T3 wasn't like the first two terminators. They didn't make the movie totally dark and gloomy, which is what I liked. I also liked the fact that the movie showed that you can't escape your fate, regardless of the circumstances.

I'll give this movie a B+. Its definately a worthwile movie.

spiderman_2k

07-09-2003, 04:32 PM

I only read the last paragraph of ur review as i like to get to the rating but u said... "I also liked the fact that the movie showed that you can't escape your fate, regardless of the circumstances."
That idea totally walks across the initial idea (Check My Sig)....
Thats the whole point, Humans can make the difference and we should....

wookie11

07-09-2003, 05:51 PM

They just threw him in for the heck of it, hes another way of link all the movies together....

Why would you do soemthing for the heck of it? It was awful, wasn't funny, and way to unlikly.

Weren't the movies tied together enough? Everything had to do with the other movie pretty much, why just through soemthing in. cause that's what it sure seemed like.

In the end I enjoyed the movie I guess, I just thought it was bad. You can enjoy bad movies.....

spiderman_2k

07-09-2003, 05:53 PM

Yeah but they proabaly wanted a familiar face (other than Arnie)
In the sequel and he is ther logical choice as he was in both Terminators....

A35

07-10-2003, 06:29 AM

T2 also had some holes in the plotline, but I still enjoyed it. Personally, I am not going to compare T3 to the other two movies, because I think that is silly, since this movie obviously has a totally different tone. T3's ending will obviously lead to T4, which will probably focus on the beginning of the future war, and the formation of the human resistance.

As for James Cameron, who cares if he wasn't apart of the movie. IMO, the movie did find without him.

Now for the T-850, I thought the humor was okay. It wasn't too cheesy. It was dry humor, but enjoyable. His actions showed that he does have a little human side in him, but that only goes so far, since he is a machine. He had a job to do, which was ensure the safety of John and Kate, and he did exactly that.

As a whole, I thought the movie was good. I am not the type of person that tries to pick everything apart, and be picky on every little thing. I just watch a movie to enjoy it, and T3 was an enjoyable movie. I am also glad that the plot wasn't too deep, yet gave a good message at the same time.

I also like the fact that they went a totally different direction in this film. Sometimes, we have to follow our destinies, whether we like it or not. This was the case with John Connor, when he had to accept his fate as a leader, whether he wanted to, or not. We all have a responsibility to live up too.

A35

07-10-2003, 07:11 AM

One more thing:

I think that T3 obviously sets up T4. I personally think that's one of the reasons why the movie was shorter, and a little more fasted paced than usual. The character development was descent in T3, but I have the feeling that John and Kate's characters are going to be developed even more, in the next movie, as they are going to lead the human resistence, and the story now focuses more on them. If done right, I think that Terminator 4 can make part 3 a better movie.

spiderman_2k

07-10-2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by A35

I also like the fact that they went a totally different direction in this film. Sometimes, we have to follow our destinies, whether we like it or not. This was the case with John Connor, when he had to accept his fate as a leader, whether he wanted to, or not. We all have a responsibility to live up too.

Thats all well and good but it is also trampling over the whole idea of T2....(read my sig for the message)....This message is an ongoing thing throughout The Terminator film......

tedward

07-10-2003, 11:21 AM

Thats all well and good but it is also trampling over the whole idea of T2....(read my sig for the message)....This message is an ongoing thing throughout The Terminator film......

at the point where t3 started it was too late to avoid judgement day, they could of done something earlier but in t3 they have to come to realise that its too late. Judgement day is upon them and there is nothing they can do but face their fate.

spiderman_2k

07-10-2003, 11:26 AM

So it takes one of the main focal points of The Terminator and just disregards it and makes it so it is too late to do anything about it??.....Crud :(

tedward

07-10-2003, 02:57 PM

I still dont see what you are talking about?

Judgement day is about to start in two hours - what do you do? It cant be stopped. They overlooked somethings in t2 and the robots still came.

If someone went back and killed the wright brothers do you think humans would never fly to the moon? No some things are inevitable.

spiderman_2k

07-10-2003, 03:01 PM

Thought it was 3 hours??
Anywho back what i was saying, The Writers suited that to make the films ending franchise worthy....It was to give the film a fast pace, it wasnt necessary to change the point of the films like they did.. Cameron himself said he would have done the ending differently, meaning that it was not neccesary to make Judgement Day happen....

whollytrinity

07-11-2003, 05:23 PM

i loved terminator 3. they did a really good job on it. i dont think they could of changed anything. my 2nd favorite movie. my first is matrix(and relaoded too) and then temrinator 3. i think 3 is best, but i havnt watched terminator 2 in a while.
*off to watch it*
:D

Alexander JL

07-11-2003, 08:35 PM

What I thought about T3 in a nutshell:

T3 reminds me alot of the Bride of Chucky (Child's Play series). Where the former entries into the series relied heavily on tight tension, suspense, horror, and some elements of comedy, T3 (like Bride of Chucky) instead opts heavy emphasis on comedy, and contains elements of suspense, and virtually no horror.
That said, T3 just didn't feel like a Terminator movie to me.

A35

07-12-2003, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Alexander JL
What I thought about T3 in a nutshell:

T3 reminds me alot of the Bride of Chucky (Child's Play series). Where the former entries into the series relied heavily on tight tension, suspense, horror, and some elements of comedy, T3 (like Bride of Chucky) instead opts heavy emphasis on comedy, and contains elements of suspense, and virtually no horror.
That said, T3 just didn't feel like a Terminator movie to me.

T3 just wasn't as dark and gloomy like the first two, especially the first one, thats all. It didn't make the movie less enjoyable for me. Matter of fact, I am glad they lightened up the mood of the third one a little, but didn't do it too much. I would've been disappointed, if they made this movie too similar to the first two movies.

T3 was obviously a set up for T4. That's why the ending was left open.

jedimaster03

07-12-2003, 02:18 AM

Terminator 3 kicked so much ass!! I loved this movie, it tops a lot of movies i seen all summer.

First of, I just want to say that even though Arnold has aged some since T2, ARNOLD is THE TERMINATOR!! He was just born to play this role! He rules as the Terminator!

I really liked Nick Stahl as the older John Connor, he did a really good job playing an older John Connor who tries to avoid his eventual destiny as the last hope for mankind.

I also like Claire Danes, she plays a good role in this film and i think she fits well in the terminator story

Then we have the T-X, who i thought was a cool villain, maybe not on the same level as the T-1000 but very cool and hella hot!

The action in T3 just rocks!! This is the scale that Terminator belongs being told in, the action sequences were just spectacular and huge, lots of destrcution and lots of eye-candy, complements of ILM and Stan Winston. This is what i wanted to see and it just delivers. Once you see the Crane Chase, its just gets better and better.

The story i thought was really solid. Very well done, T3 fits very well with the whole Terminator story. I was really surprised how well the story is told. The pace is sweet and once it starts, its just one thing after another!! The end is was a nice plot twist, i was shocked to see what happened in the end. T3 is one of the best summer movies not if the best so far. T3 is everything you would want from a Terminator film and some more, its just a damn good film and its great to see a film where you come out and can say, That movie kicked ass!!

T3 is my favorite movie this summer, its number one on my list for this summer.

my favorite movies for summer 2003
1.Terminator 3
2.X-2
3.HULK/Pirates of the Carribean (its a tie)

Alexander JL

07-12-2003, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by A35
T3 just wasn't as dark and gloomy like the first two, especially the first one, thats all. It didn't make the movie less enjoyable for me. Matter of fact, I am glad they lightened up the mood of the third one a little, but didn't do it too much. I would've been disappointed, if they made this movie too similar to the first two movies.

T3 was obviously a set up for T4. That's why the ending was left open.

I never said the movie was less enjoyable, I simply said it didn't feel like a Terminator movie to me.

sphericthor

07-26-2003, 06:19 PM

One word - Amazing!! 10/10

spiderman_2k

07-26-2003, 06:22 PM

Its not released in the UK till Thursday so ill tell u what i think then.

Balrog of Moria

07-26-2003, 07:50 PM

Poor Spidey

spiderman_2k

07-26-2003, 08:38 PM

Yeah well not long left now...:D

Longshanks

07-28-2003, 04:38 AM

I thought it was very weak in comparisson to the first two - too much humour badly judged, John Connor seemed way too relaxed for all that he'd been through - more like a teen-movie heart-throb lead than a hunted paranoid. The new Termanatrix had none of the threat of the T-1000 and it all seemed like a set-up for T4.

My only conclusion is that Arnie did it for the bucks and to try to revive his flagging film career.

Oh yeah, and where was that fantastic dark music?!?

3/10 but not a real surprise.

SkyNet

07-28-2003, 01:57 PM

I think the action and special effects were damn awesome!!!

what i would change is to take out a few jokes ("tell it to the hand", "Don't do that" / spits bullet out), and instead added more scenes of the T-X being more of a "terminator" killing people, and possibly more night scenes to help set the tone?

Also, i would replace marco beltrami with brad fiedel so there would be a new version of the Terminator theme, and just overall a better, more dramatic score.

both of these would make the movie a little more serious, considering this movie DOES deal with Judgment Day, something that almost requires a dark and gloomy / dramatic atmosphere.

and last, i would somehow put the Crane chase near the end of the movie, since its one of the best scenes and should be near the climax of the movie.

However, it was enjoyable, despite not being as i thought it would turn out.

i also like how SkyNet :D takes over and nukes the planet; "It is time."

8 / 10 :(

el whip

07-28-2003, 06:59 PM

a few words to describe Terminator 3 are
WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING!!!!:evil:
This was one of my favortie movie franchises, but this movie has a lot and i mean a lot of bad things. it's not completely bad, it has its good parts, but for a 170 million dollar movie you would expect so much more.
1- I thank that Sthal and Danes worked ok, but they did not had the great chemistry with the Terminator like Hamilton and Furlong.
2- Terminatrix. Sexy, but that`s all, she´s not badass like Robert Patrick. When you saw T2 you hated him so much that it was cool to like him.
3- Terminator. Arnold did Ok, he wasn't great, but they didn't anything new with the character, no cool catchphrase and he looked old and slow, real slow.
4- Script. Who the hell wrote that script, they should be arrested and killed.
5-Car Chase. One of the main signatures of previous Terminator movies. It looked expensive, and that´s the best thing i can say about it.:(
6-Story. Not bad, but not great as T2.

There are a few things that work, but mostly is a big letdown, this movie should have never been made without Cameron, and if didn't want to do it then they should have left it with 2 great films. But NOOOOO!!, Hollywood had to spend big bucks and do a less that mediocre movie.
Lots of people out there really want to like this movie, and that is Kool and the Gang, but for me a guy that has seen the first 2 a lot of times, T3 was a let down.:alien:
The Money. Worlwide T3 will make its money back, but it is definetly not doing the big numbers that they were expecting. In the US a movie has to make a big summer movie is expected to make 100 million more than it cost to be considered big, but T3 will take in way less than is cost to make.

Lets just hope they don't do T4.:cool:

spiderman_2k

07-28-2003, 07:04 PM

I think ur aiming too high with box-office ideas there....

el whip

07-28-2003, 10:43 PM

T3 was made to make a **** load of money and its not delivering as expected

spiderman_2k

07-29-2003, 07:13 AM

Nor has many films this summer....It will chances are make enough to put a T4 into production...If u dont like that..dont see it if it is released...Simple as that...

NeoVsYoda

08-02-2003, 07:35 PM

Saw T3 earlier on today and what else can I say but..."Oh my God"

This film had everything.....Action...guns....chases...a sexy TX and In my opinion above all...emotion...

I was a sceptic before the movie came out and thought that T2 should have pretty much wrapped the whole thing off.....I thought how is Hollywood going to come up with a good storyline to continue the saga and not some cheap "...that happened so therefore this must happen crap"

Everything tied in nicely...

Arnie being Arnie came back as the guy we know and love but this time he was a bit of a comedian....but not in a cheesy way, I think that his role was played well.

Stellar performance by Danes, though I was a bit dissapointed with John Conner.

In T2 he cam across a a wise-cracking cheeky little ***** but none of those "qualities" were emphasised in T3...he just plainly looked scared.

However that was just his character, Stahl himself pulled off a good performance...I can only see him getting grittier and more of a bad-ass (If indeed T4 goes ahead)

I also like the other things that were done...The little things.

For example...Sarah Conners Psychologist in T2 showing up...

One word: Genius

And one of the coolest parts of the film...when the TX gets the Nokia phone and hooks up onto the Net to establish the whereabouts of Connors and some of the resistance....that part blew my load....

Plus all the little references that were used linking in the first 2 movies.

Personally, I think that is where the film triumphs. Because the story is so good, that gave the film the opportunity to build on what was already created in 84' and 91' and basically just carry on what is a materpiece.

2003 has been a good year for movies... I enjoyed this outing and had a few chuckles on the way....So far for me T3:Rise of the Machines is my film of the year...

Matrix Revolutions.....you have a lot to live up to...do not dissapoint me!

:applaud: