Ultimate Additions?

[ryan123450]

So it's been rumored on the net for months about Lucas shooting even more new scenes for the original trilogy, changing the music in A New Hope, and fixing the rest of the effects not perfected in the Special Editions. He may also want to tie the originals into the prequels so the entire saga seems like a 12-13 hour long movie. Lots of idea have been floating around as to what needs to/ should be changed. Here are my ideas, who agrees?

The Entire Trilogy
--Fix the lightsaber effects digitally so they mesh with the prequel trilogy. Fix the jumps in A New Hope when Luke activates his saber.
--Fix the laser blast effects digitally so they mesh with the prequel trilogy.
--Add more digital space battle scenes where needed to update the effects throughout the trilogy.
--Perform digital grading to update the color to make it crisper and brighter.
--RE-record the entire soundtrack in digital. While doing this insert some themes from the prequels in certain places noted below.

A New Hope
--Add the Imperial March to at least one Darth Vader scene. This is the only episode without it.
--Change the Jabba scene. Jabba looks nothing like he does in Jedi. The digital Jabba from Episode I would do much better. Also the tail stepping shot looks horrible. Cut away to Chewy or Boba as Han steps on Jabba's tail.
--Fix the bleeding arm in the Cantina scene. It looks nothing like the flipper arm the alien has seconds before and the lightsaber should cauterize the wound anyway.
--Change the English writing threwout the movie to the alien language seen throughout the rest of the saga.
--Add more aliens to the Rebel Alliance liike in Jedi. A few shots would do great.
--Throw in a few dugs and other prequel aliens in the Mos Eisley and Cantina scenes.
--Fix the Vader/ Obi Wan duel. Compared to the other fights in the saga, this one is weak. A few far off shots done with CGI would easily make it better. Maybe change the music to include Duel of the Fates.
--Three new scenes suggested would be great in my opinion:
Senate scene with the Emporer disolving the Senate. Bail Oragana and maybe Jar Jar should appear here.
Alderaan scenes with Bail and maybe Jar Jar just before the Death Star destroys the planet. If Jar Jar is here he could get his due and many fans would be happy. Bail should hold a holo-image of Padme as he dies to show first time watchers that she died between trilogies.
A scene at the end with Vader flying to Corescant to report to Sidious. They meet at the old Jedi Temple and discuss thier new enemy: Luke Skywalker. This would justify Vader looking for him at the beginning of Empire even though the Emporer doesn't tell him to pursue Luke until halfway threw Empire.

The Empire Strikes Back
--Change the horrible stop-motion tauntans to CGI.
--Add CGI portions to the Battle of Hoth to make it seem bigger.
--?Redo the cut scene of the ice monsters attacking the stormtroopers during the battle. Use CGI. This one is a maybe.?
--Change the horrible hologram of the old lady with chimp eyes as the Emporer to Ian McDiarmid. Change the dialog to fit in with the new scene at the end of A New Hope.

Return of the Jedi
--Add prequel aliens and driods to Jabba's palace/barge.
--Fix the lightsaber effects during the battle on Jabba's barge. Luke hits people and they just fall off the barge unharmed.
--Fix the horrible rancor effects. Change the rancor to CGI.
--Fix any of the really bad looking speeder bike effects with CGI.
--Take out the "sluggs" on the Emporers cloak.
--Add a few lines from Beyond the Stars when Luke and Leia are talking about Padme.
--Fix the Executor explosion on the surface of the Death Star with CGI.
--Add Naboo and Jedi starfighters to the hodg-podge Rebellion fleet.
--During Vader's death scene, add a few lines from Anakin's theme to showcase his redemption.
--Add Naboo to the final celebration scene. If Jar Jar is still alive add him and Boss Nass dancing with other Gungans and Naboo inhabitants. Add in a scene of Watto on the celebration on Tatoinne. Add more to the Corescant shot.
--Somehow insert something about the Prophecy and Anakin's being the chosen one to the end of the movie. Maybe Yoda's spirit says something about it at Vader's funeral or the final celebration scene. If there were no legal problems, MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE, they should take out Sebatian Shaw and add an aged Hayden Christenson. Then Vader's last words could be rewriten to be more fitting to the character. Mentioning the Prophecy would far better wrap up the entire saga as one 12 hour movie about Anakin Skywalker.

I think these changes would greatly improve the original trilogy and make for an amazing watch for viewers seeing all six films in order the first time.
I'm sure everyone else has an opinion on this one. What do you all think?

[spiderman_2k]

Or or or how about this...
No to about 95% of the stuff up there most of it is bad, leave it as it is.....

[Jarbacca]

Lucas is gonna do what ever he wants to the OT, and all the petitions in the world are not gonna make him release the original versions of the films

[redman]

adding scenes in my opinion is a big no no. but upgrading the saber fights and making it more colourful is whats gonna happen when they come out on dvd.

i reckon u just mentioned too much stuff to do and no one's gonna be bothered reading it all, just cut it down a bit.

[Jarbacca]

the transfer on the OT is going to be so amazing, Lucas knows how to take care of a film, and odds are he will try to elimate any jumps or black lines (due to blue screen)

[Rocketboy]

As I said in the DVD thread...this is bogus, fanboy rumor garbage.

[Morphius DOH]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Or or or how about this...
No to about 95% of the stuff up there most of it is bad, leave it as it is..... I agree with you fully.

If that stuff was to included it would change the entire feel to the films. And for God's sake keep Jar Jar out of epesodes 4-6!

[tedward]

Change the Jabba scene. Jabba looks nothing like he does in Jedi. The digital Jabba from Episode I would do much better. Also the tail stepping shot looks horrible. Cut away to Chewy or Boba as Han steps on Jabba's tail.

I like that scene in exactly the same way I like the scene where the stormtrooper knocks his head off the door - the scene should stay as it is.

[Jarbacca]

Originally posted by Rocketboy
As I said in the DVD thread...this is bogus, fanboy rumor garbage.

ah... lucas has even said he will be adding more stuff to make the saga flow better

it may not be titled ultimate editions, but do expect new stuff to be added to the films

[ryan123450]

I still stick by all these ideas. The Special Editions changed the "feel" of the movies with all the computer effects and I for one liked every second of it. Any new Star Wars is good Star Wars to me.
And the only reason I would like to see Jar Jar in the OT is to get a chance to see him die unless it happens in Episode III.

[FrankTheBunny]

I know Lucas is gonna add some things after 3 is released in 2005 for the OT DVDs, but he should limit what he does. He already gave us, "Alert my Star Destroyer of my arrival" and got rid of "Yub Yub." Those things along with Greedo shooting are total crap.

However, the original list I don't want to see any of those things happen, except for cleaning up of the saber battle in ANH and replacing the Emperor in ESB with Ian. I'll be content to see that.

[Jarbacca]

i wouldn't mind seeing the Rancor scene cleaned up, i've always found the black lines to be distracting

[JAE]

Originally posted by Rocketboy
As I said in the DVD thread...this is bogus, fanboy rumor garbage.

Its been confirmed in several interviews with Rick that they are indeed planning additions to OT. One such mention was during EPII, they shot some footage of Padme to insert into ROTJ when Leia is remembering her mom.

[ryan123450]

While the additions are for real, the rumor about Padme in Jedi is fake.

[Jarbacca]

Originally posted by ryan123450
While the additions are for real, the rumor about Padme in Jedi is fake.

Right, that one like a few others are just fanboy wishes

but the fact that lucas is adding stuff is a genuine true fact

[redman]

Originally posted by Jarbacca
i wouldn't mind seeing the Rancor scene cleaned up, i've always found the black lines to be distracting

Yeah the rancor scene is the only one that i object to in the entire OT, I thought GL was gonna clean that up with the special additions anyway, but alas he didn't.

[Rocketboy]

Originally posted by Jarbacca
ah... lucas has even said he will be adding more stuff to make the saga flow better But time and time again he has said that the Special Editions are the final versions.
And I remember Lucas saying the Ultimate Editions are bogus somewhere...

[ryan123450]

He said the Special Editions were the final versions AT THIS POINT. If you can find were he said the Ultimate Editions aren't for real then I'll listen to you.

[Eduardo Canale]

Originally posted by ryan123450
He said the Special Editions were the final versions AT THIS POINT. If you can find were he said the Ultimate Editions aren't for real then I'll listen to you.

Actually Rick McCallum said NO ULTIMATE EDITIONS. None. Period. The Special Editions ARE IT. This was said in the www.starwars.com (http://www.starwars.com) site and the Star Wars fan club magazine. So stop speculating on a fanboy rumor that was created over 4 years ago! This crap was started when the Phantom Menace came out back in '99!

[Rocketboy]

Originally posted by Eduardo Canale
Actually Rick McCallum said NO ULTIMATE EDITIONS. None. Period. The Special Editions ARE IT. This was said in the www.starwars.com (http://www.starwars.com) site and the Star Wars fan club magazine. So stop speculating on a fanboy rumor that was created over 4 years ago! This crap was started when the Phantom Menace came out back in '99! Thank you!

[Jarbacca]

Originally posted by Rocketboy
But time and time again he has said that the Special Editions are the final versions.
And I remember Lucas saying the Ultimate Editions are bogus somewhere...

yes he has said that the SE are the way he always wanted the movies to be, but that was before he began production on the PT, after he started those he realized that the additions of some scenes would make the saga flow better

[ryan123450]

Exactly Jarbacca. I'm so tired of people thinking this is fake. They'll be eating their words in a few years.

[FrankTheBunny]

But nothing is finalized yet. Honestly, I just want a few touchups, nothing new. No new screams, no new lines, just keep it good.

[Eduardo Canale]

Originally posted by ryan123450
Exactly Jarbacca. I'm so tired of people thinking this is fake. They'll be eating their words in a few years.

Everytime you open your mouth the further your foot goes in it. Pretty soon you'll be up to your kneecap. Enough of this crap. Look at this...

Ask Rick McCallum (http://http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/rick/askjc20020905.html)

....and this is only part of it. I can find more....Would you like me to keep you looking like the fanboy moron you are?
Or should I stop???

[Kyle Katarn]

I think the ultimate addition would be a REMOVAL:

Take out the f'n GREEDO SHOOTING FIRST IN THE CANTINA! :mad:

[FrankTheBunny]

Yeah I agree with that. If anything, not only remove that, get rid of Luke's scream after he falls in ESB, put back in "Bring me my shuttle" instead of "Alert my Star Destroyeer of my arrival" and put Yub Yub back in, that's your Ultimate Edition. Hehe.

Other than that, the SEs aren't bad.

[Morphius DOH]

I agree that the lightsabre effects need to be cleaned up quite a bit, especially in ANH. There is one scene that I was suprised to see that wasn't fixed in the SE. Just after Luke fires at the controls to the blast doors, you can see Vader moving with the lightsabre without the fx added over the prop.

I'm not sue how many have noticed this, but if you haven't, take a look just as the blast doors are closing.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by Morphius DOH
I agree that the lightsabre effects need to be cleaned up quite a bit, especially in ANH. There is one scene that I was suprised to see that wasn't fixed in the SE. Just after Luke fires at the controls to the blast doors, you can see Vader moving with the lightsabre without the fx added over the prop.

I'm not sue how many have noticed this, but if you haven't, take a look just as the blast doors are closing. I've noticed that one for years, and I always wondered why it was never fixed in subsequent editions. How could they have missed that? I've been staring it for 25 years, and I've noticed it everytime.

[Rocketboy]

Obi-wan lightsaber seems to short out a few times in his battle with Vader too.

[Jarbacca]

Well, these are lucas' films, he can do whatever he wants with them

[kimythegirl]

Originally posted by Morphius DOH
I agree that the lightsabre effects need to be cleaned up quite a bit, especially in ANH. There is one scene that I was suprised to see that wasn't fixed in the SE. Just after Luke fires at the controls to the blast doors, you can see Vader moving with the lightsabre without the fx added over the prop.

I'm not sue how many have noticed this, but if you haven't, take a look just as the blast doors are closing.


Hopefully That will correct this problem with the DVD release of the film! :applaud:

[redman]

yeah i hope so. There will be so much time devoted to these OT dvd's that im sure they will pick up on these small corrections.

[Rocketboy]

From Rick McCallum in the new Star Wars Insider:
No extra shots of Natalie Portman will be put in the classic trilogy.

[Jarbacca]

yeah Natalie will not be in ROTJ, but there are other scenes being added

[redman]

such as?

[accabraJ]

i think there is gonna be a jedi temple scene with palpatine and darth vader

[tedward]

Posted by rocketboy
No extra shots of Natalie Portman will be put in the classic trilogy.

Good.

[redman]

dont u guys think it'll look out of whack if GL puts in footage from the new trilogy into the old?

[Rocketboy]

I think it'll knock them down quite a bit. A great many people love the OT way over the PT and this could really piss them off.
Look at the flack he got for the Special Editions. It'll be deja vu.
I can see fixing effects, like lightsabers, but no new footage for God's sake!

[Rizor]

Sorry to bring back a pretty old thread.

Anyway, Lucas has said that the films should play seamlessy when they're done, so that would probably mean fx cleanups, etc. Personally, I wouldn't mind effects retouches, maybe some digital re-coloration for some scenes. They should redo the effects with CGI if they wish for a seamless feel since much of the prequels is digital.

For the most part I agree with the original poster. The only things I don't agree with are the major changes to the movie (adding more dialogue, etc.). Actually I saw a very similar post on another forum that had all of his suggestions and many more such as giving the Stormtroopers and Boba Fett Jango's voice, digital Yoda, adding aliens not native to Tatooine roles in the Cantina, replacing Sebastian Shaw with Hayden and many other very unnecessary things (same person maybe?). But as the post is now, I'd say I agree 80%.

Redo lightsabers and creatures such as taun-tauns and the rancor. Heck, they could even redo whole space battles and the Hoth battle. The walkers seem too jerky as they are right now. Redo the obviously digital landscape of Tattooine from ROTJ. And of course fix some of the horrors they did back in '97 such as Luke's scream, Greedo shooting first, etc. Open up cloud city even more. The effects like the shot of Leia pacing through the window look pretty bad. As is, the buildings of Cloud City look like a model kit. There shouldn't be huge changes though.

And then of course fix the monkey-eyed hologram of Palpatine and the black blots around his face in ROTJ.

John Williams has said that there are plans to revise the score like adding the Imperial March in ANH.

[Rocketboy]

Originally posted by Rizor
Redo lightsabers and creatures such as taun-tauns and the rancor. Heck, they could even redo whole space battles and the Hoth battle. The walkers seem too jerky as they are right now. Redo the obviously digital landscape of Tattooine from ROTJ. And of course fix some of the horrors they did back in '97 such as Luke's scream, Greedo shooting first, etc. Open up cloud city even more. The effects like the shot of Leia pacing through the window look pretty bad. As is, the buildings of Cloud City look like a model kit. There shouldn't be huge changes though. No huge changes? Everything you listed would be a major change.

[Alexander JL]

Originally posted by Rizor
Anyway, Lucas has said that the films should play seamlessy when they're done...

That would mean even more inane dialogue for the OT, extended saber fights, and umm... the destruction of the OT

[Rizor]

Originally posted by Rocketboy
No huge changes? Everything you listed would be a major change. Well, by "major change" I meant more in the way of story, dialogue, and adding new scenes. Like how there were rumors of Lucas adding shots of Jimmy Smits on Alderaan screaming or inserting shots of Padme.

I'm hoping the way I described it doesn't sound like I want them to completely redo scenes and having new actions taking place. I just mean redoing the effects shots with CG. The same actions would still take place, same camera shots, same shot compositions, just that instead of stop-motion clay models, it's a computer generated image.

Also, by "opening up Cloud City" I guess I worded that oddly. I just meant to mean make it look like an actual place. The shot I described just looks like some plastic model with a tv monitor of Leia in a building.

The lightsaber effects are pretty inconsistent in the films. In A New Hope they look like glowing rods. Instead of rods emmiting energy.

[Rocketboy]

Originally posted by Rizor
Well, by "major change" I meant more in the way of story, dialogue, and adding new scenes. Like how there were rumors of Lucas adding shots of Jimmy Smits on Alderaan screaming or inserting shots of Padme.

I'm hoping the way I described it doesn't sound like I want them to completely redo scenes and having new actions taking place. I just mean redoing the effects shots with CG. The same actions would still take place, same camera shots, same shot compositions, just that instead of stop-motion clay models, it's a computer generated image.

Also, by "opening up Cloud City" I guess I worded that oddly. I just meant to mean make it look like an actual place. The shot I described just looks like some plastic model with a tv monitor of Leia in a building.

The lightsaber effects are pretty inconsistent in the films. In A New Hope they look like glowing rods. Instead of rods emmiting energy. I see what you mean now. I guess I misunderstood. The only change I wouldn't mind would be to fix the lightsaber effects, especially during the Obi-wan/Vader duel in A New Hope. Obi-wan's light saber seems to short out a few times. It's always bugged me.

[Rizor]

If anything, I'd definately fix the Palpatine hologram. They didn't have Ian McDiarmid so they used a voice actor named Clive Revell and put monkey eyes over an old woman's face. Also, in ROTJ there's these strange black blotches around Palpatine's face that's always bothered me.

[Rocketboy]

Originally posted by Rizor
Also, in ROTJ there's these strange black blotches around Palpatine's face that's always bothered me. That was one thing I thought they'd fix in the Special Edition and didn't. It still bugs me.

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

Let Han shoot first again! If Lucas changed that back, I would quit *****ing about everything Star Wars...even Jar Jar.

I mean, it takes away from the character of Han, makes him less of a "scoundrel"....not to mention, the thought of the galaxies biggest crime boss hiring a bounty hunter who couldn't hit a target 3 feet away is just well...dumb.

[Cloud Buster]

I think Lucas' goal is to find new ways to ruin his legacy even more with each passing day.