Any Angel fans out there?

[captain cocanut]

I love this frigging show. That episode where the beast killed hundreds of people in the Wolfram and Heart offices was dark and cool all at the same time. How did they get away with showing all those decapitations on network TV.

[todd philip]

is this that james cameron show that was canceled!!!

[JustinCredible]

No Angel... on the WB.

James Camerson's Dark Angel starring Jessica Alba was on FOX....

[captain cocanut]

Dark Angel was crap..... but Angel rules:applaud:

[moviegeek]

Lorne is so awesome!!!!!!!!!

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by moviegeek
Lorne is so awesome!!!!!!!!!

Indeed he's even better in person... the guy is a gem!

[kryptonian_boy]

It's all looking pretty intense right now. I know they won't do crossover appearances now that they're on rival networks, but I wonder if Joss will somehow connect this "big bad" evil with The First on "Buffy", since potential slayers evereywhere (and their watchers) are getting taken out, and Faith will have to come into play, as the real Slayer. Should be interesting to see, and Joss Weedon tv is good tv.

[moviegeek]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Indeed he's even better in person... the guy is a gem! you've met him? pretty cool.

[welty69]

I love this show!! This last show with the Demon and the zombies had me thinking I was in the game Resident Evil. I loved it...

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by kryptonian_boy
It's all looking pretty intense right now. I know they won't do crossover

Joss, UPN, WB are working on that currently....

Originally posted by moviegeek
you've met him? pretty cool.

He came and hosted a Karaoke event and a bar, the same night he was taping the Los Vegas episode (He literally finished a scene and got on a plane to Toronto).

He sang about 4 songs and sang backups and duets with a bunch of people. The man has a set of pipes on hisperson... he blew us away! He is HELLA better live than he is on the show. Anyways he had his girlfriend (or wife.... couldn't tell) and he was drinking and dancing heavy with her and every girl that came and stood by him. She didn't mind she joined them and sometimes danced with other people... it was a good time. He did this til 2am, then did 4 hours of meet, greeet and autographs... I have a picture with him... he's a cool cat.

[Alien]

Originally posted by todd philip
is this that james cameron show that was canceled!!! Dark Angel was cancelled! Why? I thought it was just finished as a one-season thing that was demanded to do a second season.

[JustinCredible]

Why? Because Fox are idiots... and like stupid shows that have animals that attack or race humans...

Anyways Dark Angel had 2 seasons I believe... and it was set up for a 3rd season... but Fox decided to drop it...

[Karac72]

I like "Buffy..." and liked the character of Angel. But I havent watched this show yet. Guess I'll have to tune in the next time it airs.

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Karac72
I like "Buffy..." and liked the character of Angel. But I havent watched this show yet. Guess I'll have to tune in the next time it airs.

Seasons 1 - 3 of Buffy are on DVD and Season 1 of Angel are coming to DVD soon... once you get up to Season 6 and Seaon 3 of Angel I can get up caught up..

[Psylent]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
I love this frigging show. That episode where the beast killed hundreds of people in the Wolfram and Heart offices was dark and cool all at the same time. How did they get away with showing all those decapitations on network TV. I'm a big fan of the show, I was even a mod of the forum a while ago*hint hint...;) :rolleyes: *

But I haven't gotten a chance seeing the show for nearly a year now...:mad:

[Psylent]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
Dark Angel was crap..... but Angel rules:applaud: I agree, Dark Angel sucked big time. And the actress was terrible too.

[Psylent]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
I have a picture with him... he's a cool cat. Show us!

please?

[Psylent]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
but Fox decided to drop it... Whewww... thank God.;)

[Psylent]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Seasons 1 - 3 of Buffy are on DVD and Season 1 of Angel are coming to DVD soon... once you get up to Season 6 and Seaon 3 of Angel I can get up caught up.. Cool! Keep us updated!

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Psylent
I agree, Dark Angel sucked big time. And the actress was terrible too.

I disagree...the show was mishandled... and it wasn't until the last couple of eps where it had a clear direction worth exploring... but instead Fox thought lets make shows about Animals racing migets...

Originally posted by Psylent
Show us!

please?


members.rogers.com/hrobin1052/cncbe/CNCBE01.jpg

The funny thing is... he is hung over like hell in the pic....

[JustinCredible]

I just saw the wildfeed for Angel 4X10 - Awakening... and it was excellent, not as good as 'The House Always Wins' and 'Spin The Bottle'... but very good. And raises questions about how the season will end...

Gotcha... man what a twist

Anyways I'm going to watch it again (it on Canadian TV on Tuesday at 9pm)!

[goodgonebad]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Seasons 1 - 3 of Buffy are on DVD and Season 1 of Angel are coming to DVD soon... once you get up to Season 6 and Seaon 3 of Angel I can get up caught up..

DVD not out fast enough....i must have it

[captain cocanut]

Wow that latest episode was good.... If I hadn't read a early spoiler concerning it weeks ago I would have never known it would have ended like that. :applaud:

[Kyle Katarn]

I just saw my first ep tonight! Angelus is one bad, twisted, cool.....and horny mo-fo! :eek: :applaud:

Oh yeah...I missed the flashback Angelus had where he meets the beast....someone care to fill me in? :confused:

[JustinCredible]

just download it! IM me and I'll send you the link

[Kyle Katarn]

Can't....2 words...."Dial-Up." :o ;) Thanks anyhow though...

[southern]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Can't....2 words...."Dial-Up." :o ;) Thanks anyhow though...

http://topsailcody.covers.de/whine.gif i have it too

or i'd dled the ep too
Dial-uphttp://topsailcody.covers.de/mgwhore.gif

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Can't....2 words...."Dial-Up." :o ;) Thanks anyhow though...


www.buffyverse.info has the episode cut into segments... so you can watch 1 at a time!

[Steve125]

I went on thewb.com, and watched the trailer where it said someone will die, and there will be an ending you can't miss. There is lots of talk on the message boards that Lila will be the one to die. but I dunno whether to believe it or not.

[JustinCredible]

They better not kill off Lorne....

[Steve125]

or Cordy

[Steve125]

Whoa!! Just watched new Angel ep. I heard that was gonna happen but didn't believe it. Cordy let out Angelus, and killed Lila? Crazy stuff.

[JustinCredible]

Ah... ain't it well watching it a day ahead. :D

Yeah... good ep, alot of suspence leading up the to eventual... dum dum dum.... I didn't expect it at all... can't wait till next week!



Oh Good Good News...
Andy Hallet will be finally listed in the opening credits

[Steve125]

Yeah cause I guess They're gonna have to take Charisma Carpenter out soon...unless they can make her..uh...non-evil.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Steve125
Whoa!! Just watched new Angel ep. I heard that was gonna happen but didn't believe it. Cordy let out Angelus, and killed Lila? Crazy stuff.

I thought that was a typo....GUESS NOT! :eek: And in 3 weeks...Faith returns! Guess LA needs a vampire slayer now that Angelus is on the loose :eek:

[captain cocanut]

all I can say is:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Alien]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Oh Good Good News...
Andy Hallet will be finally listed in the opening credits Who does he play?Originally posted by Steve125
Yeah cause I guess They're gonna have to take Charisma Carpenter out soon...unless they can make her..uh...non-evil. Does that mean she's going to die?

[Steve125]

I dunno, if she is not coming back after this season then she'll die, or if the show is canceled, but if she is coming back then they'll probably make it so she was just posessed and they can get her back using a spell or something
dunno if that made any sense

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Alien
Who does he play?

Lorne!!!!
That loveable Lorne!

[Alien]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Lorne!!!!
That loveable Lorne! He used to be in the opening credits didn't he?

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Alien
He used to be in the opening credits didn't he?

No... no he hasn't. Before he was only a Guest Star and this year a 'Special Guest Star'... bout time they put him in!

[Alien]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
No... no he hasn't. Before he was only a Guest Star and this year a 'Special Guest Star'... bout time they put him in! Wasn't he in last seasons credits. If he wasn't I've heard this before months ago. But at the time it said he was in them.

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Alien
Wasn't he in last seasons credits. If he wasn't I've heard this before months ago. But at the time it said he was in them.

I met the man in August filming for this season and he said himself to confim that he has been listed as either guest star or this year 'Special Guest star'... it wasn't until recently when WB has decided to put him in the opening credits!

[Psylent]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
They better not kill off Lorne.... I like that Lorne charactor, it's Cordy I wish who dies.

They BETTER bring back Bethany Chaulk!!!!:heart:

[kryptonian_boy]

Looks like Cordy is a puppet of The First (I'm guessing that's who controls The Beast, since that's who the gang is fighting on "Buffy", and who's been killing off Watchers and Potentials worldwide). I didn't see that coming, and it's gonna make for some interesting angles before this gets resolved.
Also, Faith is back in 2 weeks (sucks that they're making us wait that long!).

[Psylent]

Originally posted by kryptonian_boy

Also, Faith is back in 2 weeks (sucks that they're making us wait that long!). Back on Buffy or Angel?

[kryptonian_boy]

Back on Angel. Although I could see them putting her back on Buffy by season's end. Don't know if they will though.

[Steve125]

Yep, after two eps, I think, of Angel, Willow comes out for an ep, leaves back to Sunnydale, and brings Faith with her...at least thats what I've been reading.

[Kyle Katarn]

Makes sense either way - Faith stays in LA to fight Angelus, or goes to Sunnydale to help whup up on the First's leigons.

[Colorado Cajun]

Now that Eliza is back I guess I will hae to watch again

[Kyle Katarn]

So I guess you'd be watching all next season if it was "Faith the Vampire Slayer?" :D

Heck, I don't care - as long as Spike is there for the cool factor, I'm in!

[Steve125]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Makes sense either way - Faith stays in LA to fight Angelus, or goes to Sunnydale to help whup up on the First's leigons.

That's what Willow's there for. As long as my sources are right then Willow goes and uses a spell to get rid of Angelus, and bring back Angel.

[JustinCredible]

I can't wait for some Duckshoot tomarrow.... its been too damn long. Duckshoot should be on every show on television!

[rangerz]

Yeah, I've heard that Willow gets a phonecall and hauls @ss to L.A. One can only guess as to why. I mean......hello?????

I'm really looking forward to seeing Faith, again. And I hear she's going to pop up on Buffy, as well, towards the end.

I'm not too keen on the one episode in March and one eps. in April re: BtVS. that's not too cool.

[Steve125]

Originally posted by rangerz
Yeah, I've heard that Willow gets a phonecall and hauls @ss to L.A. One can only guess as to why. I mean......hello?????

She goes back to restore Angel's soul.

[JustinCredible]

Tonights episode rocks.... man o man, just rename Angel to Faith, have Angel be her sidekick... what an ep.

Faith does get her ass kicked all over this episode... its not even funny. Plus I like how the series are already tieing in with the Phone call to Dawn!

[Steve125]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Plus I like how the series are already tieing in with the Phone call to Dawn! I loved that!! I was hoping you'd hear Buffy's voice on the other end, but oh well.

Uhh just a question
Has anyone heard if Cordelia's baby is gonna be a demon? Or is it just regular? I heard that in a couple eps. Angel finds Cordelia's unconcious body, but will there still be a baby?

[captain cocanut]

Still kinda lame... even though I knew they were gonna do that. I mean... this is the second season in a row... with the damn baby storyline

[Kobolos]

Buffy/Angel connections this episode(well minus Faith herself)

1) The Bringers knife in the prison yard
2) is Lilah the First? or just a figment of Wes' imagination?
3) The phone call to Sunnydale.

Anymore to add?
Originally posted by Steve125
Uhh just a question
Has anyone heard if Cordelia's baby is gonna be a demon? Or is it just regular? I heard that in a couple eps. Angel finds Cordelia's unconcious body, but will there still be a baby?

TV Tome says:
Episode 16, March 26th- After discovering that Cordelia is pregnant, the gang research what type of demon the offspring could be.

[Radiohead]

i have a request.
i saw my first episode last wednesday with "Stonehenge" and "angelus"
from what i gather angelus and stonehenge don't like each other but they weren't trying to kill one another. stonehenge's "master" was a woman.
faith was in the episode (That was cool).
but can someone fill me in on who the pregnant girl is? and is that little guy really the father?
i guess i just need someone to bring me up to date.
also, was that michelle trachtenberg that angel called? that was pretty cool.
i like the show a lot.

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Radiohead
i have a request.
i saw my first episode last wednesday with "Stonehenge" and "angelus"


AKA "The Beast" *G*

from what i gather angelus and stonehenge don't like each other but they weren't trying to kill one another.

The Beast wanted to join forces with Angelus from way back. That is why they brought Angelus back...for info on the Beast.

stonehenge's "master" was a woman.

So it seems.

faith was in the episode (That was cool).

Yes she was, and yes it was.

but can someone fill me in on who the pregnant girl is?

Cordelia Chase, formally of Buffy, on Angel since Season 1.

and is that little guy really the father?

So it seems, Connor, the 16 year old son of Angel and Darla.

i guess i just need someone to bring me up to date.

You are up to date, check www.tvtome.com for complete episode summaries.


also, was that michelle trachtenberg that angel called? that was pretty cool.

Yep. Even though we don't hear Dawn's voice.

i like the show a lot.

Me too.

[Steve125]

New ep. tonight for all us lucky Canadians. lol :)

[Steve125]

I liked this episode!! If I didn't know what happened next then that would have been a really great cliffhanger. I already knew about the drug Faith injected into herself to protect herself from the bites, so I know it'll be cool. At least that's what I've been told.

[captain cocanut]

Originally posted by Steve125
New ep. tonight for all us lucky Canadians. lol :)

Well that's the only thing you Canadians are Lucky in:mad: :mad: :mad: I still have to wait to see it:mad:

[Kyle Katarn]

I'm going to hurl my throwing stars through the TV if it's pre-empted by the playoffs AGAIN tonight! :evil:

[Colorado Cajun]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
So I guess you'd be watching all next season if it was "Faith the Vampire Slayer?" :D

Heck, I don't care - as long as Spike is there for the cool factor, I'm in!
I'd be in heaven if it becomes Faith the Vampire Slayer :applaud:

[captain cocanut]

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
I'd be in heaven if it becomes Faith the Vampire Slayer :applaud:

She sure does fit for a series.... If they ever do one... Wesley has got to be part of it though.... I don't think he has much reason to stick around with Angel anymore.... Him and Faith really work well together IMO.

[Radiohead]

so the episode tonight where faith got bit in the neck by angelus at the end was a new episode, right? is this going to mean that faith is going to be a vampire now?
this is my second episode and i am hooked.

[Kobolos]

Any Angel Fans out there?


You better believe it. I admit that Angel isn't my bag. (I don't actually like Angel or Cordy, let alone the rest of them except for Wes) I watch it occasionally, but Buffy is my show...but these last two episodes I've actually taped and man o' man am I liking what I'm seeing...

Just saw the episode tonight...can't wait for next week (obviously). And the more I think about it, the more I hope this supposed pilot for Eliza is just a shady coverup for Faith's spinoff (since both are owned by Fox). Only the future (and Joss) will tell.

[pixiness]

There will be no Faith spinoff. Let me see if I can find the article I read that news in.

[pixiness]

Okay... here's where i read it.


Aintitcool.com :

Another Key Clue About That BUFFY Spinoff ! !Tuesday, February 25, 2003 ! ! More evidence emerges this morning that Eliza Dushku will not play Faith the vampire slayer (at least on a regular basis) in any "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spinoff. Variety reports that Dushku will play the lead in an another potential series, an untitled Fox network pilot from Jon Feldman ("American Dreams") and Rob Cohen ("The Fast and the Furious") about a grad student who discovers she can save lives by altering the course of events. Though the pilot may not necessarily go to series, Dushku's commitment to it likely does prohibit the "Buffy" braintrust from building a series around Buffy's darker counterpart. Dushku has signed to guest star this year in three upcoming episodes of "Buffy" spinoff "Angel" and the final five episodes of "Buffy" itself. "Buffy" now looks to end its seven-season run on May 20. A few reports, including one from Britain's BBC News picked up an erroneous item in the London Express indicating that a Faith series was already a done deal. So what will producers pitch as a new Buffiverse series ? Something, likely, with potential.

[Steve125]

Originally posted by Radiohead
so the episode tonight where faith got bit in the neck by angelus at the end was a new episode, right? is this going to mean that faith is going to be a vampire now?
this is my second episode and i am hooked.

she injected a drug into herself that protects herself from the bite, and it also puts Angelus into a coma-like state.

[pixiness]

Originally posted by Steve125
she injected a drug into herself that protects herself from the bite, and it also puts Angelus into a coma-like state.

Where'd you hear that? sounds like a very interesting plot twist

[Kobolos]

Pix- I don't believe a word Joss or Fox says til after May 20th *G*

The reasons: Eliza doesn't want to commit to a series (the stumbling block on a Faith series) but she agrees to do a pilot for someone else? " Though the pilot may not necessarily go to series" (also owned by Fox) Fishy to me. And what a Whedon swerve it would be...(remember all the TV coverage of the three stars of Angel only for Doyle to be killed off so soon?)

that said:

If Faith dies at the end of Buffy (it is called "chosen" so it's a possibility) it will answer the question once and for all. Til then Fox can put all the press releases that they like.


Let's face it...Joss is evil. I don't trust him or Fox til after the final episode. :D

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by pixiness
Where'd you hear that? sounds like a very interesting plot twist

Episode 15 summary:
Angelus is feeding on Faith when suddenly he faints. Faith had earlier injected a drug into her blood, making it very lethal.
Faith is very near death. She is brought back to the hotel along with a now captured Angelus, who is locked in his cage. Faith is in a coma state, and Angelus is unconscious. The gang are watching over Faith, while keeping an eye on Angelus.

We are taken into Angelus' mind, where he and Faith are watching Angel perform good deeds. Willow arrives at the hotel, ready to restore Angel's soul. She performs a spell which requires concentration, Cordelia is countering the spell from her room, but Willow overpowers her and the soul is set free. Everyone is still clueless about Cordelia, including Willow.

After being released, Angel is now able to commune with Faith and Angelus in the dream. He and Faith take on Angelus together, but Faith gets badly beaten. She is close to giving up, when Angel gives her some pep talk. As we are taken back to reality, we can see Faith shaking and crying in her coma. Suddenly, she gets up and walks down to the basement of the hotel. She stops Connor from staking a sleeping Angelus, right before the spell registers. Angel wakes up, dazed and confused. Willow tells Faith and the gang about the recent events in Sunnydale, then she leaves, taking Faith with her.

Source:

TV Tome-Angel Episode guide Season 4 (http://tvtome.com/Angel/season4.html)

[pixiness]

Originally posted by Kobolos
Episode 15 summary:
Angelus is feeding on Faith when suddenly he faints. Faith had earlier injected a drug into her blood, making it very lethal.
Faith is very near death. She is brought back to the hotel along with a now captured Angelus, who is locked in his cage. Faith is in a coma state, and Angelus is unconscious. The gang are watching over Faith, while keeping an eye on Angelus.

We are taken into Angelus' mind, where he and Faith are watching Angel perform good deeds. Willow arrives at the hotel, ready to restore Angel's soul. She performs a spell which requires concentration, Cordelia is countering the spell from her room, but Willow overpowers her and the soul is set free. Everyone is still clueless about Cordelia, including Willow.

After being released, Angel is now able to commune with Faith and Angelus in the dream. He and Faith take on Angelus together, but Faith gets badly beaten. She is close to giving up, when Angel gives her some pep talk. As we are taken back to reality, we can see Faith shaking and crying in her coma. Suddenly, she gets up and walks down to the basement of the hotel. She stops Connor from staking a sleeping Angelus, right before the spell registers. Angel wakes up, dazed and confused. Willow tells Faith and the gang about the recent events in Sunnydale, then she leaves, taking Faith with her.

Source:

TV Tome-Angel Episode guide Season 4 (http://tvtome.com/Angel/season4.html)

oooh. super cool... THANX!

[Steve125]

Originally posted by pixiness
Where'd you hear that? sounds like a very interesting plot twist

thewb.com, on the message boards, they've been right since I joined the boards so I'm just going with it. while Angelus and Faith are in their comas, Angelus' is flashbacks to all his good deeds. Willow goes back, restores Angel's soul, and allows Angel into the dream with Faith and Angelus, where Faith and Angel fight Angelus together. Then Faith wakes up from her coma and stops Connor from staking a still sleeping Angel. Then Willow tells everyone about the goings on in Sunnydale, and leaves, taking Faith with her.

Sounds pretty accurate, except the Connor trying to stake Angel doesn't sound right. They also said something like Cordelia is in her room countering Willow's spell, but Willow overpowers her Sounds cool.

[pixiness]

That's pretty much the same stuff included in the episode guide kobolos gave me a link to... thanks though

[Steve125]

Originally posted by pixiness
That's pretty much the same stuff included in the episode guide kobolos gave me a link to... thanks though

Oh, lol, oh well, sometimes these threads get so big that I just don't feel like reading all the way through them. haha

[Kobolos]

*feels dejected* :(

[Kyle Katarn]

Don't....I feel superior now that I know something my cousin does not know! :evil: :D :applaud:

[Iben]

We're so behind on our episodes over here, I just saw the episode where Groo came and payed Cordelia a visit and Fred and Charles got together.
Someone please tell me if Cordelia and Angel are ever gonna get together? pretty please!!!!

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Iben
We're so behind on our episodes over here, I just saw the episode where Groo came and payed Cordelia a visit and Fred and Charles got together.
Someone please tell me if Cordelia and Angel are ever gonna get together? pretty please!!!!


There was a scene I caught on Buffy the other day on FX...Season 5 "Crush" Tara and Willow are walking from class and the discussion was the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
TV Tome had an interesting analysis:

Tara and Willow's discussion of Quasimodo is perhaps an indication of the eventual progression of Spike and Buffy's relationship, and its inevitable termination. Although Buffy's friends and Buffy herself reject the mere idea that Spike could ever be with her, season 6 proves this wrong. However, the tale is probably an inherently tragic one. Spike may seem to become increasingly human, moulded by his feelings for Buffy. But, as Tara states about Quasimodo, Spike also does not choose right from wrong, but merely does all he does for the love of a woman. This lack of true moral judgment excludes the possibility of a happy ending or true love with Buffy. The comparison between Quasimodo and Spike is particularly clear with the humorous addition that a happy ending could never be possible when the hero is 'all bumpy' (Quasimodo's hunchback, Spike's forehead).

This applies in ways to Angel as well, especially since no one has a happy ending in their relationships in the Buffy-verse...second of all, Angel can't experience a moment of happiness or he goes bye-bye and Angelus makes an appearance. Third of all Cordy she is...um, nevermind...I'll let you catch up *G*

Just a thought.

[Iben]

Hey now, you still didn't let me in on what's gonna happen with Cordy and Angel? are they gonna get it on or not? :grin:

[Steve125]

I heard they got it on in a dream sequence, but I missed it cause of stupid Bush making a meaningless speech. :(

[Kyle Katarn]

....don't hold your breath Iben...! :D

[Iben]

Originally posted by Steve125
I heard they got it on in a dream sequence, but I missed it cause of stupid Bush making a meaningless speech. :( well I saw that, that was when they were possesed, but I want to see them be together as a couple :(

[Steve125]

Oh, well then let me refer back to Kyle Katarn's statement. :)

[Iben]

they're not gonna get together? :(

[Steve125]

Well there's the whole evil thing stepping in their way at the moment. Then there's people speculating that Buffy and Angel will get together in the end, but that doesn't make sense if Angel's gonna keep going. There was a chat with Charisma and David and she said that it would get boring if they got together.

[Kyle Katarn]

*consideres that when cousin gets online, she will probably kick my arse for not sharing Angel spoilers with her yet....* :D :eek:

[Oasis]

I'm a fan of Angel's, but I haven't seen in in such a long time

[Alien]

Originally posted by Oasis
I'm a fan of Angel's, but I haven't seen in in such a long time Yeah well you need to watch TV to see TV shows and like you said today, you don't watch TV.

[Steve125]

Only one more hour! There wasn't really a meaning to this post...just bumping this thread up.

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Steve125
Only one more hour! There wasn't really a meaning to this post...just bumping this thread up.

Bah. I still have 15 hours before my Goddess goes magickal on all their monkey butts.

[Steve125]

I loved this episode! I would have hated it if Faith weren't in Angelus' visions too..it made it interesting. And right from the start I saw how much Willow was flirting with Fred. I loved "Anything new I should know about?" "Nothing..just little things":applaud:

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Steve125
I loved this episode! I would have hated it if Faith weren't in Angelus' visions too..it made it interesting. And right from the start I saw how much Willow was flirting with Fred. I loved "Anything new I should know about?" "Nothing..just little things":applaud:

12 1/2 hours *dares not read the above til after*

[kryptonian_boy]

So, now that Angel has his soul back, how many episodes do you think that Cordelia (or what's passing for Cordelia) can keep the secret of her/its true identity?

[Kyle Katarn]

I dunno....

LOL - Disco Angel! :applaud:

[kryptonian_boy]

Yeah, who knew he liked Barry Manilow?
Of course, it has been a while since Lorne owned his club. Maybe I just blocked it out!:D

[Steve125]

Supposedly in an upcoming episode when Jasmine has everyone under her spell...Connor and Angel sing "Mandy" for her.
Not sure of its authenticity, but it is his fave. song

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Steve125
Supposedly in an upcoming episode when Jasmine has everyone under her spell...Connor and Angel sing "Mandy" for her.
Not sure of its authenticity, but it is his fave. song

Yup. Angel listens to Barry Manilow's "Mandy" in his flashback during "Orpheus". This is the same song he sang in "Judgement" (Season 2) because he "thinks it's pretty." I've read that too. Looked up TV Tome, it's not mentioned there, so I'm not sure where I read it. I'd bet on it though, too funny not to.

[Kobolos]

WB is rebroadcasting "Ophelia" Sunday at 9PM EST due to many stations breaking away for war coverage....Sundays? It's like old times!

[Alien]

Originally posted by Kobolos
WB is rebroadcasting "Ophelia" Sunday at 9PM EST due to many stations breaking away for war coverage....Sundays? It's like old times! I'd much rather watch the Blade movie they are dropping and wait for the reruns of Angel.

[Kobolos]

wait...you'd rather watch a 5 year old R rated movie that has been edited for network broadcast and filled with commercials...


than to watch a reshowing of Angel that had Willow kicking major bootie?

um...ok.

[Alien]

Originally posted by Kobolos
wait...you'd rather watch a 5 year old R rated movie that has been edited for network broadcast and filled with commercials...


than to watch a reshowing of Angel that had Willow kicking major bootie?

um...ok. Well here they wouldn't edit it they'd just show the movie after a time that it was ok to show.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Alien
Well here they wouldn't edit it they'd just show the movie after a time that it was ok to show.

So that just leaves it as 5 years old and filled with commercials....;)

Come on.....it has humor, drama, innuendo, and Angelus wanting to barf when he sees Angel save a puppy! :D

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Alien
Well here they wouldn't edit it they'd just show the movie after a time that it was ok to show.


Where is here? Planet Marlar?
It was an R rated film, you are darn right they would edit it.
Standards and Practices, ever heard of it?

Welcome to the newly dubbed line:
"Some Fella always trying to skate uphill."

Indeed.

[Alien]

Originally posted by Kobolos
Where is here? Planet Marlar?Britain. They don’t edit movies that often they just show them after 10 O’clock. And Angle is on at 9 so I'd get both :D

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Alien
Britain. They don’t edit movies that often they just show them after 10 O’clock. And Angle is on at 9 so I'd get both :D

Ah..so why does the UK get Buffy and Angel on DVD so quickly?

[Steve125]

Uh oh, I don't like the sounds of this. WB hasn't picked up Angel yet! They better pick it up soon! A lot of Angel fans are gettin impatient to see if Angel's gonna be back. :mad:

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Steve125
Uh oh, I don't like the sounds of this. WB hasn't picked up Angel yet! They better pick it up soon! A lot of Angel fans are gettin impatient to see if Angel's gonna be back. :mad:


From all indications, we won't know til about Mid-May...


I'll get that rubber room ready for you just in case :)

[Alien]

Originally posted by Kobolos
Ah..so why does the UK get Buffy and Angel on DVD so quickly? Just coz I live here I don't know all the weird and wonderful things about here. As far as I can tell we don't.

[Steve125]

Originally posted by Kobolos
From all indications, we won't know til about Mid-May...


I'll get that rubber room ready for you just in case :)

And I'll be right here waiting.

[JustinCredible]

GRRRR.... Angel was postponed tonight.... Urge to kill rising....

[Kyle Katarn]

My heart bleeds for you....I gotta wait until tomorrow anyway! ;)

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
My heart bleeds for you....I gotta wait until tomorrow anyway! ;)

There is no scheduled make-up date...!! GRRRRRR!!!

[Kyle Katarn]

That sucks....surely they'll show it eventually! Why'd they postpone it???

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
That sucks....surely they'll show it eventually! Why'd they postpone it???

they said the show wasn't available to be broadcasted... I immediately emailed the station and they have yet to reply. Didn't the wildfeed go up with no problems? If so... then there shouldn't have been a problem.

On that channel... they show Buffy @ 8pm and Angel @9pm... the showed the new Buffy, but they replaced the Angel with the Buffy ep: 'Normal Again.'

I was SO damn angry...!!!! GRRRRR!

[Steve125]

Oh man..I was SOOOO mad! What was up with that? They're probably not gonna play it I guess! I dunno whats gonna happen! Any response yet from the station?

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by Alien
Just coz I live here I don't know all the weird and wonderful things about here. As far as I can tell we don't.

cause here in the uk...they are ****ed up...things you wouldnt expect early come quickly and things you really want dont come out for months

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Steve125
Oh man..I was SOOOO mad! What was up with that? They're probably not gonna play it I guess! I dunno whats gonna happen! Any response yet from the station?

Yeah I got one early this morning:

Dear :alien: :alien: :
Thank you for the email. The Angel episode scheduled to air last evening was not completed in time for The New VR to air on Tuesday night. The WB, which produces Angel did not have the show ready for us to air on Tuesday (as they air it on Wednesday in the US) Last nights scheduled episode, "Players" will air on Tuesday April 1 at 9pm. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Regards,

Lori Clarke
Programming
The New VR

This is dog****!!!

[Steve125]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Yeah I got one early this morning:

Dear :alien: :alien: :
Thank you for the email. The Angel episode scheduled to air last evening was not completed in time for The New VR to air on Tuesday night. The WB, which produces Angel did not have the show ready for us to air on Tuesday (as they air it on Wednesday in the US) Last nights scheduled episode, "Players" will air on Tuesday April 1 at 9pm. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Regards,

Lori Clarke
Programming
The New VR

This is dog****!!!

Does this mean that we are gonna be an episode behind from now on? Cuz I thought every episode from Habeas Corpses or w/e on was gonna be new.

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Steve125
Does this mean that we are gonna be an episode behind from now on? Cuz I thought every episode from Habeas Corpses or w/e on was gonna be new.

Yes we will now be an episode behind... but they didn't go against the 'from Habeas Corpses on will be new' statement because they didn't show a re-run of Angel this week (by not showing Angel @ all).

To anyone in Canada that gets Space, check to see if Tomarrow's airing of 'Angel' is new!

[Steve125]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Yes we will now be an episode behind... but they didn't go against the 'from Habeas Corpses on will be new' statement because they didn't show a re-run of Angel this week (by not showing Angel @ all).

To anyone in Canada that gets Space, check to see if Tomarrow's airing of 'Angel' is new!

Ohh I liked being an episode ahead of all the Americans...made me feel like I was inside the loop. Ohh well

[Kyle Katarn]

Killer ep tonight....

The cat's outta the bag!!!! I thought Lorne was a goner, but Angel had the drop on Cordy! I LOVED the ending: Angel face to face with Cody, Wes with his shotgun, and Fred with a pistol, each aiming at her. And Lorne with his....8-ball! "Has Cordy been a bad girl?" *shake* ...DEFINITELY!

[Radiohead]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Killer ep tonight....

The cat's outta the bag!!!! I thought Lorne was a goner, but Angel had the drop on Cordy! I LOVED the ending: Angel face to face with Cody, Wes with his shotgun, and Fred with a pistol, each aiming at her. And Lorne with his....8-ball! "Has Cordy been a bad girl?" *shake* ...DEFINITELY!

agreed. it was excellent. i am glad gunn got some action with gwen. very nice.
i like how connor is actually disturbed by cordelia's mis-judgement about willow and angelus. at least he can think for himself and isn't cordelia's puppet (though his character annoys the **** out of me).
"wah wah wah it's scary being a daddy and all you can do is make fun of me because you don't like me. wah wah wah"
angel delivered the best line "gwen, tonight is not a good time for a social call, we are busy. you know ... armageddon?"
but i agree, the ending was most excellent. can't wait until next week when we find out how they found out about cordy.

[captain cocanut]

Angel has some of the BEST episode endings for any show.... I always feel pissed that I have to wait a week to see what happens.... I loved TV shows like that.

[captain cocanut]

Originally posted by Steve125
Ohh I liked being an episode ahead of all the Americans...made me feel like I was inside the loop. Ohh well

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!


Ok... I'm insane.... But finally you guys can't brag about seeing the episodes first:p :p

[Steve125]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!


Ok... I'm insane.... But finally you guys can't brag about seeing the episodes first:p :p

:mad: not fair at all. Oh well, I found a site that gave me a walk through of Tuesday's ep. I just wish I could've seen it.

For any Canadians that happened to miss Tuesday's ep. if you want a really in depth walk through with pictures, go to http://www.angelsacolyte.com/epguides4/16players.html

[Oasis]

Man I haven't been keepin up with Angel since near the end of the first season and I saw an episode last night, and his son is grown up - is in love with Cordellia and Wesley has toughened up... WOW alot has happened, I'm going to have to consider buying the box sets

[captain cocanut]

It's official if Angel get renewed for a new season James Marster aka SPIKE will join the CAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They better renew the damn show.... I ****ing renewed Charmed and that show is a piece of ****e.... only thing that show is good for are the nice tits.

I've wanted another Spike and Angel confronation since his last appearance on the show..... Angel might want some real payback after that last fight.

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
It's official if Angel get renewed for a new season James Marster aka SPIKE will join the CAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



ACK! Spoilers people, Spoilers...and that's *if* the show is renewed and *if* the spin-off doesn't go...the articles state it's still up in the air.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Kobolos
ACK! Spoilers people, Spoilers...

*Wishes he still had Mod powers.....even though this is TV, not James Bond* :D

[captain cocanut]

Originally posted by Kobolos
ACK! Spoilers people, Spoilers...and that's *if* the show is renewed and *if* the spin-off doesn't go...the articles state it's still up in the air.

well it was on Access Hollywood... That's national TV.... so I didn't think it was spoiler intensive.....

[Kyle Katarn]

What.......the......shock?! :eek:

Quote Han Solo, "I've got a baaaad feeling about this!"

[Radiohead]

what the hell?
she gave birth to a black woman?
i don't get it.
and why did angel start bowing?

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
well it was on Access Hollywood... That's national TV.... so I didn't think it was spoiler intensive.....

*sighs*

Then shame on them as well...Spike on Angel 5 blows any suspense for his character regarding the events of Episode 21 and 22 of Buffy.

Sheesh.

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Radiohead
what the hell?
she gave birth to a black woman?
i don't get it.
and why did angel start bowing?

I'd bow before Gina Torres too :)

All good things to those who watch the next episode.

But if you can't wait, TV Tome has all the next few episode plots

www.tvtome.com

[Steve125]

Yay, I discovered that my satellite gets WB too...after searching thru some channels I saw TheWB is on what they say is PBS. haha I thought the ending was pretty good...that last part was really suspenseful leading up to...well u no. I swear at the beginning when Connor saved Cordelia I was SOO mad and yeah..definetly hate him

[Kobolos]

Since this has more to do with Angel than Buffy, you get the update. Lucky you :)

E! online: (spoilers abound)

Spinoff Spin: The cast and Buffy boss Joss Whedon all echoed the same sentiment: Definitely no spinoff this fall, but they are hopeful there will be one in the future.

"Somewhere down the line," says Anthony Stewart Head (Giles), "I reckon there will be a Buffy spinoff. There's no rush on my part, and I know the fans will wait...Whatever happens here, Joss has created such a great stable of writers, directors and actors I have no doubt we'll all work together in the future. He has an extraordinary family and an immense amount of talent in one place. I don't see it disappearing--it's very strong. Bottom line is, Joss is the core."

Both James Marsters and Nicholas Brendon (who's now working on creating his own sitcom) said they would jump at the chance to reclaim their roles.

"Are you kidding?" Marsters asks. "I would be all about [a spinoff]. Spike is a Cadillac role, man. You don't have to work very hard, but you get all the credit. It's a sweet deal, so if they want to continue paying me really good money and making me look really cool and not working me very hard, I am there."


Crossing Over? Okay, so no spinoff this year, but what are the chances of the Buffy-ites ending up on Angel?

Time for a little guessing game, my sweets. All the Scoobs (sans S.M.G.) answered the question, "Will you be going to Angel next season?" Here are their responses--see if you can guess who said what. (And no, I won't make you wait till next week, the answers are listed on the next page.)

1. "No, because [my character] and Angel never really got along, so it would be a hard thing to sort of plant myself on that show. It would be a strange mixture--or coupling, if you will."

2. "I think maybe I will. I talked to one of the writers about it and said it might be quite fun to bring me over there. It's such an open book, and that's what makes it so exciting."
3. "I don't know. I never like to say no to anything, because if it's something interesting and it's a challenge, then why not? I do know I came from movies, and I want to go back to movies. It's where I'm at home."

4. "Yeah, I think I am [going to Angel.] Definitely, we don't know--but it is being talked about."

5. "I don't know, probably not. Right now I'm in talks for features and stuff, but nothing I can go into."

Got it?

Good. Now, as promised, I'll give the goods on who said what:

1. Nicholas Brendon (who seems fairly disappointed the door is not open)

2. Anthony Stewart Head (hurrah!)

3. Michelle Trachtenberg (who is shooting a teen movie this summer in Prague)

4. James Marsters (that's a gimme if you read last week's chat transcripts)

5. Alyson Hannigan

Now, of course, if anyone is going over to Angel, that would mean the show would have been renewed, which has not yet happened. But good news: Insiders tell me WB higher-ups are very excited at the possibility of a return of the Buffy actors to the Frog net--which could (fingers crossed) help the case for Angel's renewal.

An Angelic End? If you're like me, you're scrounging for any morsel of info that might imply which way Joss is heading with the finale--will it be about Buffy and Angel...or Buffy and Spike? Here's what the Buffy mastermind had to say about it:

"It was important for David to come and do [the Buffy finale], which is really sweet considering he's all over the end of Angel at the same time. It means a lot to me and Sarah and David and the writing staff as storytellers, because Angel was there from the beginning and because their relationship transcends everything.

"Even though she has a romance with Spike, the relationship with Angel was Buffy's first love. It's too important not to cap it. You can't put a final statement on it. I'm in the process of writing the script now. The show is about life, and the final statement on life is death. On this show, it's not even that. You want to pay homage to the fact that he's a big part of her heart, no matter what, without saying anything definite on what will happen for them in the future."

Infer to your heart's delight. I, for one, am hoping for some series-ending sexual healin'.

In the meantime, something you Buffy buffs will want to know: Starting April 29, we'll be showing exclusive clips of the five finale episodes of Buffy, every Tuesday night at 7 p.m. on E! News Live. Tune in to watch some blubbering Buffy fan talk about how she'll never be the same when the show is gone.

Also, as I mentioned in Monday's chat, I'll be talking very soon with Buffy boss Marti Noxon. So, if you have questions for her, send 'em in pronto.

[Kobolos]

no Angel talk in 6 days??

anyone see the previews of Angel next week with Angel and Fred? Hubba hubba.

[Darth_Spidey]

Yesh I saw the preview and the only thing I have to say about it is.........

























WAZZUPWITDAT!!!!!

[captain cocanut]

I'm not really liking this whole "Jasmine" thing.... the whole mood of the season took a 180..... I think Joss changed the season finale just to fit in his FireFly cast members.

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
I'm not really liking this whole "Jasmine" thing.... the whole mood of the season took a 180..... I think Joss changed the season finale just to fit in his FireFly cast members.

Nah... its just the calm before the storm... you can't get dark and dingy for too long... you have to cheer things up and then hit the audience hard with the dark making its impact more intenese.

[Darth_Spidey]

^^^^^

Agreed.I think thats exactly whats happeneing.:applaud:

[Steve125]

Bah, I can't post cuz I got nothin to post about. New VR is still a week behind and my satellite crapped out wednesday afternoon. Wednesday's ep. sure looks interesting, and Im glad Angel is taking a little more of a happier turn cause I'm sure as you guys said, the ending Buffy eps. will be quite dark.

[Alien]

Faith is coming to UK Angel, so we're only how far behind? (I got Angel right 1st time and didn't put Angle! I'm so happy for myself)

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Steve125
Bah, I can't post cuz I got nothin to post about. New VR is still a week behind and my satellite crapped out wednesday afternoon. Wednesday's ep. sure looks interesting, and Im glad Angel is taking a little more of a happier turn cause I'm sure as you guys said, the ending Buffy eps. will be quite dark.

I start downloading the episode from Tues and by Fri I usually see it...

Its not the NewVRs falt... its the damn WB!

[Kyle Katarn]

For those of you that saw the season finale of Angel's first season....or know what the prophecy holds for "the vampire with a soul" Do you think it's Angel or Spike that will become human after they fulfill their destiny (on "Buffy")?

After seeing how far ahead this stuff is planned out.....I gotta proclaim that Joss is an f'in brilliant man! :eek:

BTW....could those more familiar with how vampires "work" fill me in on some stuff? I saw the Buffy ep where the First came to Angel. Much ado was made on how it snowed on Christmas day in Sunnydale. So if it's cloudy, a vamp can walk the streets at high noon if he wants?

Also, do they have a healing factor (a-la Highlander)? Angel's only reaction to getting shot was "it really irritates me when people shoot me!" - so I imagine so?

[Kobolos]

Kyle-

As the spoilers go for Episode 22 of Buffy:

Buffy tells Spike she loves him, and he sacrifices himself to save the world. Now I didn't say he *dies* of course...and he's going to be on Angel next season so take it as you will. I'd love for the prophecy to be really about Spike, but since it hasn't been mentioned on Buffy as well... I know it's not...the show is called "Angel"

[pixiness]

Has anyone else noticed his plotlines are drawing from the bible? There's this part of Revelations that talks about the end of the world, and how false prophets will come proclaiming themselves to be the Lord, and many people will be deceived... and only true believers will know the truth - and those people will be persecuted for their beliefs. (sound vaguely like the whole Jasmine thing to anyone else?)

[Kyle Katarn]

pixi - Yeah, I've noticed too.....

Kobolos - yeah...but Joss knows how to swerve! ;)

[Kobolos]

that he does.

[captain cocanut]

This latest Angel just makes me more pissed at Conner.... I REALLY Hate that ****ing punk..... I hope he dies in the season finale.

[Kobolos]

I don't know any spoilers for Connor, but personally I'm ready for his demise.

Though I always saw him as the Mordred of the piece...and in the end of that story...Arthur died too.

[rialynch]

I wonder if Connor doesn't know ALL ALONG what Jasmine really is. Poor dupe just needs something to believe in.

:(

[Alien]

I wanna know why Angle killed the beast. Ok so to you that was a few weeks ago but that was tonight to me.

[jason2004]

well,what i dont get is that he help mad that thing so why dose;nt he see the big ugly,

oh and

[Steve125]

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=15044

Angel renewed??

[Kyle Katarn]

Sweet....and great show tonight! The Jasmine storyline is picking up nicely! The ending was great, with Angel's simple "Oh hell." And before that......freaky! When Angel's crew was slaughtering the National Guard, and Jasmine was laughing along as she sustained every blow herself! ...:eek:

Angel's getting some good lines: "Then let's get professional on this evil son-of-a-*****'s ass!" :cool:

[pixiness]

Originally posted by rialynch
I wonder if Connor doesn't know ALL ALONG what Jasmine really is. Poor dupe just needs something to believe in.

:(
I think he's "immune" to the "blood cure" somehow because he's her father and shares her blood... just a theory

[pixiness]

what I'm wondering is...

If Jasmine was taking all those hits at the end and healing herself, does that mean she's healing the national guard team too, so that Wes and the crew can't make any headway against them?

I believe that's the case - but I'm willing to hear other views on it.

[Kobolos]

Could be Pix...and BTW, I REALLY liked this episode.

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by pixiness
what I'm wondering is...

If Jasmine was taking all those hits at the end and healing herself, does that mean she's healing the national guard team too, so that Wes and the crew can't make any headway against them?

I believe that's the case - but I'm willing to hear other views on it.

Answer (My Theory)
No she isn't healing them.... they died (the national Guard) but because she is interconnected with them she is cut also... but she is able to heal herself... so thats why she was laughing... they are fighting against her and she has an army of millions. Wes and the crew have an advantage as only a few guards can come through the door @ a time... but they will be weared down and taken down... (unless they pull a rabit out of their hat).

[Steve125]

Freaky part for sure. Great episode. Don't remember the preview of next week's though.

[pixiness]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Answer (My Theory)
No she isn't healing them.... they died (the national Guard) but because she is interconnected with them she is cut also... but she is able to heal herself... so thats why she was laughing... they are fighting against her and she has an army of millions. Wes and the crew have an advantage as only a few guards can come through the door @ a time... but they will be weared down and taken down... (unless they pull a rabit out of their hat).


Interesting theory - although I think that wes and everybody WILL get taken down because "next week's scenes" showed them being brought back to jasmine and them finding out that she eats people.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how they get out of this one

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by pixiness
I'm really looking forward to seeing how they get out of this one

Transported to 60s Batman TV show... I could see an anouncer...

Trapped underground with the national Guard? Hockey Sitcks and wrenches against an army? Angel in another dimension? How will our honourble heroes survive this serious situation... check next time, same angel time, same angel channel! :D

[Kyle Katarn]

Spike: To the Angel-mobile! Away! :D

[Steve125]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Spike: To the Angel-mobile! Away! :D

I must go...they're almost out of that nancy boy hair gel I love...SO much.

[Stands Alone]

Originally posted by Steve125
I must go...they're almost out of that nancy boy hair gel I love...SO much.

Heh, that is such a funny begining to the episode. There was another part I remember I laughed about.


I don't like the whole "goddess" who wants everybody to be happy. It's like, ugh, stop making everybody so happy. But I do say, it keeps you on the edge of your seat.

But, for next season, I am so pleased Spike is joining. I think another Vampire will so make the series go good. I can see them bickering, and bonding in a friendly way.

[Kyle Katarn]

Who said there'll be 2 vampires? ;)

Dang, I hope James DOES join the cast!!!

It's been a week - where's all the geeking out over Angel smacking down Connor? And throwin' him out the window? Great stuff! :applaud:

[captain cocanut]

I hope Connor dies

[Steve125]

Greeeeat now the whole Jasmine thing is over, but Connor is STILL bein a loser!

[Kyle Katarn]

WOW....

Ok, first of all, questons: What the heck happened on the "top floor" with Gunn?

Man.....if you didn't see it READ IF YOU DARE!
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Lila shows up....her contract with W&H extends even AFTER death...d'oh! W&H concede the LA area to Angel inc, and offer the building and new staff to them.

Meanwhile, Connor goes beserk and wires up Cordy and a store full of people with bombs. Angel strikes a deal with Lila and goes to fight Connor. He tells Connor he loves him, and he's going to prove it...then kills him!

At the end, the deal is revealed. Angel says he's accepted the offer for the group, and wants to see Connor. He goes off and Fred is like "Connor who?" Angel walks up to a cabin in the woods where we see Connor with a family. Apparently the deal was that if Angel accepted the offer, in return he wanted Connor to have a real normal life as a human! :)

Oh yeah...Lila gives Angel a file and a pendant. "Supposed to be real important for some kind of final battle in Sunnydale," she tells him. ;)

I liked......and if a certain SOMEONE wants to join the cast, there is ONE LESS full-timer for next season (*apparently!) :applaud:

[Radiohead]

yeah, why did fred say "connor who?"
also, i only came in on angel during the end of the Beast episodes.
what is the gang's history with wolfgram & hart and why are they so leary of them?

so, anyways. i dunno. i have missed so much of the series that i don't know what's really going on but i have no idea what's so great about being a part of W&H.
anyways. i dunno. connor DYING was a WISH COME TRUE but the rest of the episode was kind of just ... slow and boring.
i guess i am just interested to see where this all goes next season.

[Kyle Katarn]

SPOILERS! :mad:

And like you, I just started this season....W&H were the "big bad" of season 1, maybe 2(?) Anyway, they're some bad mamma jammas! :eek:

[carnage4u]

Well, that was a good episode this evening. I dont see how anyone could be unhappy with a very entertaining show. I look forward to seeing Angel on buffy for the next two weeks and hope the show is brought back next year.

[JustinCredible]

SPOILERS





Originally posted by Radiohead
yeah, why did fred say "connor who?"
also, i only came in on angel during the end of the Beast episodes.
what is the gang's history with wolfgram & hart and why are they so leary of them?

Thats why one should never miss an episode... to get the full scoop... look for episode descriptions which gives entire details on each ep.

Why did she say it? Because the deal whiped Conner's past life from existance... erasing his and everyone else's memory (except Angel).

Originally posted by Radiohead
anyways. i dunno. connor DYING was a WISH COME TRUE but the rest of the episode was kind of just ... slow and boring.

Another excellent dramatic episode wasted on people who don't appreciate... pitty...



END SPOILERS

[Kyle Katarn]

Really..."slow and boring?" Wes showing how he could pull off James Bond (decking an ex-Watcher and using a grappling hook concealed in his sleeve)? Makes me think the producers were aware of our talk of him as a possible 007! The enigma with Gunn? Connor's decent into pure madness? Angel and Connor's showdown with dozens of lives at stake? And Lorne! :D

I wonder.... How are they going to just forget about Connor? He played a pretty crucial role with Jasmine, the reason that Cordy is in a coma. Will W&H "rewrite" that in the minds of all involved (besides Angel)?

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
I wonder.... How are they going to just forget about Connor? He played a pretty crucial role with Jasmine, the reason that Cordy is in a coma. Will W&H "rewrite" that in the minds of all involved (besides Angel)?

Angel made the deal, so maybe the gap will be explained next season (THERE BETTER BE A NEXT SEASON OR ELSE... GRRRR FRIENDS GETS A STUPID 10TH SEASON AND THEY HESITATE TO BRING THIS SHOW BACK??????? WTF?????).

[Radiohead]

i'm sorry, did i stutter?
yes, slow and boring.
wes' kung fu action was ok and the fight with connor and angel was cool but up until the last 10 minutes the episode was just anti-climatic. out of the angel episodes i have seen thusfar this was one of my least favorites. maybe i would appreciate it more if i saw more than just half of this season.

and can someone please give me a brief synopsis on W&H so i don't have to go read through every single episode summary and put together all the pieces? thank you.

[Lton]

I thought this was a good episode. How the show, and characters develop is as important to me as how much ass they kick.
Personally I'd be happy to see connor gone from the show, he always seemed to add an unnecessary creepy factor to the show (Always meloncholy, wanting to kill his dad, hooking up with Cordy)

[Kobolos]

On Connor: If you watch Buffy, he is Dawn in reverse.

(mild spoilers if you didn't see last night's episode, and if you didn't, shame on you. )


On Season 5 Buffy, Dawn (the key) arrived at the Summers' home. Everyone involved with Buffy knew Dawn...they all had memories of her. even though she hadn't appeared in any of the first 4 seasons. From that point on, she had always been around...Connor is the reverse now, as Justin pointed out, no one remembers Connor except Angel. While I don't think this is a complete Write Off, it does remove him from Series Regular and perhaps opens up a slot for a new character from Angel's Past...hmmmm. :D

Personally? I *LOVE* the new direction. Can't wait for Season 5. How sad that Angel is working so well while Buffy is seemingly going out with a whimper.

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

Wolfram and Hart are a major law firm that are completely evil. they have vamps and demons do their dirty work, they are trying to get evil to be on the side of evil in the war that's coming, they steal evil artifacts, etc...

They have made Angel and gang's lives a living hell for the past 4 seasons...thus the hesitation.

BTW:...As much as I loved Lilah's role in this episode...did anyone else really really want to see Lyndsey in such a W&H focused episode? I hope he comes back next season to work with Angel in the new Wolfram and Hart.

[angelusrp]

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Angel made the deal, so maybe the gap will be explained next season (THERE BETTER BE A NEXT SEASON OR ELSE... GRRRR FRIENDS GETS A STUPID 10TH SEASON AND THEY HESITATE TO BRING THIS SHOW BACK??????? WTF?????).

When Angel made that deal with W&H , they pretty much took away any memory of Connor from everyone except Angel.(done before in season One with buffy). Thats why when he takes off to see Connor at his house, you hear Fred ask who connor is.
Im excited to find out where next season will go.

:hehe:

[Radiohead]

Originally posted by George Bushs 18th cousin
Wolfram and Hart are a major law firm that are completely evil. they have vamps and demons do their dirty work, they are trying to get evil to be on the side of evil in the war that's coming, they steal evil artifacts, etc...

They have made Angel and gang's lives a living hell for the past 4 seasons...thus the hesitation.

BTW:...As much as I loved Lilah's role in this episode...did anyone else really really want to see Lyndsey in such a W&H focused episode? I hope he comes back next season to work with Angel in the new Wolfram and Hart.

thank you for that information, i appreciate it.

[Alien]

I think I must have missed something. How did the green guy loses his powers of sing-and-I'll-see-your-future?

Sorry I don't know how to spell his name and don't want to guess.

[Radiohead]

lorne

[Alien]

Originally posted by Radiohead
lorne That's what I thought just didn't want to chance it. Anyway when they got Cordy being evil he had lost his power but how?

[captain cocanut]

God that was a great Episode..... Dawn and Connor were the most annoying characters in the Buffy Universe.... Thank god we'll never see them again....

Dawn and Connor would make a great couple BTW....

[zeroxray]

cordy just made him temporarily wack out hsi mind reading powers. thats all.

woohooo its renewed for next season and spike is joining...soooooo excited. will connor return? anyone know if hes signed on for next year? hope not cause it'll be like cordy this season, trying to remember and stuff. eh

[JustinCredible]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
God that was a great Episode..... Dawn and Connor were the most annoying characters in the Buffy Universe.... Thank god we'll never see them again....

Nope... Reily = most annoying character

[Steve125]

What's the deal with Kitty Fantastico? Why is everyone so obesessed with the cat? Does it have some sort of important role or something?

Just realized I posted this in the Angel thread, but hey we were talkin about characters n' stuff.

[Kobolos]

*LOL* The Miss Kitty Fantastico Phenom is something that started on AICN as far as I can determine...Herc does an update on that cat in his Buffy previews...

The cat belonged to Will and Tara, and after Tara's death it sort of disappeared...

THere was supposed to be a line from WIllow this season on MKF's fate witht he line "she ran away" but it was cut for time...

My theory? The Buffy finale will end with Miss Kitty Fantastico sacrificing herself to save the world...but that's just me. :)

[Steve125]

Eh, at least it'll give the MKF fans some closure. lol

[carnage4u]

its just odd that they kill spike on buffy and now hes listed on the cast of angel

will be interesting to see how that works out

[zeroxray]

remember in angel that there was a prophecy saying that in the end, the reward for his heroics were for him to turn human? maybe...:p

[jason2004]

THATS BECAUSE HE'S NOT DEAD.HES SUCK IN THE HELL MOUTH,SO WHAT IF HIS FACE BURN OFF,HE WILL HEAL THEN FIND A WAY OUT TO BE ON ANGLE

[carnage4u]

he did more then have his face just melt.. he went poof.. death does not stop people from coming back, it just creates silly ways of taking the fun out of a dying

[Radiohead]

someone told me charisma carpenter is not returning for the next season. is that true?

[Kyle Katarn]

Yes....Charisma...out.

SPIKE....in! :D

[Steve125]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Yes....Charisma...out.

SPIKE....in! :D

Yeah that is cool, but I would've liked to see old Cordy back. Non pregnant-connor luvin-psycho Cordy. More like she was in the earlier seasons.

[angelusrp]

Im an ANGEL fan but I used to be a buffy also until they went to UPN.
I dont have UPN so i missed out on the last couple of seasons. Can anyone
fill me in on how Buffy ended? and whats this talk about Spike being on
Angel?

[Radiohead]

the crap? so she is gone?
is this permanent?
surely she will have to wake up at sometime and come back.

[Radiohead]

Originally posted by angelusrp
Im an ANGEL fan but I used to be a buffy also until they went to UPN.
I dont have UPN so i missed out on the last couple of seasons. Can anyone
fill me in on how Buffy ended? and whats this talk about Spike being on
Angel?

angel visits buffy and then says goodbye. a siege is staged at sunnydale high and the hellmouth. willow uses the scythe (looks more like an axe to me) to perform a spell that gives slayer powers to every female in the world. meanwhile the potentials (who were in the hellmouth with buffy and faith) were about to get their butts kicked by a couple thousand vampires until the powers kick in and they fight back. buffy gets stabbed but survives, faith kicks butt. upstairs, xander, anya, that gay guy, the principal, giles and dawn defend against the vamps who escape out of the hellmouth. anya gets sliced diagonally down the torso. a handful of the potentials die or are wounded. then the necklake (the heart of the champion) that spike is wearing causes him pain and then sunlight stars bursting out from him and wipes out all the vampires and the hellmouth it self and then we see spike turning to dust. buffy is the last one out of the building and hauls ass and jumps on top of the bus which is carrying the others to safety and then we see sunnydale totally collapse into a giant hole. i actually missed the rest so if something else happened (i missed maybe the last 5 or 10 minutes) then they can fill us in).

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

How do you guys think Spike will come back on Angel?

I personally think the Shanshu prophecy from season 1 applies to Spike, not angel. Shanshu meant to Live and to Die. Spike died...and now he is going to live...come back as a human. And Spike has been through all the parts of the Shanshu prophecy...

The plague - Episode Pangs where the indian spirit gave Xander Chumas Tribe disease.

The coming darkness - All the lights in Sunnydale went out the episode before the last when the power company left.

and of course...he stopped an apocolypse.

Those were what Wes mentioned...so...Spike should be ressurected...as a human.

Shanshu means to Live and to Die...he died, and now he will live.

Spike fulfilled the prophecy, he will become human on Angel.

[carnage4u]

I would be amused if that prophecy is used on Spike. It would probably make angel mad or annoyed.
I liked how he seemed annoyed spike had a soul, and was copying him.

I would bet it would be spike as human on Angel. If he stays the same, it would just be too odd with two vamps with a soul. fun at first, but boring real quick

[angelusrp]

Originally posted by Radiohead
angel visits buffy and then says goodbye. a siege is staged at sunnydale high and the hellmouth. willow uses the scythe (looks more like an axe to me) to perform a spell that gives slayer powers to every female in the world. meanwhile the potentials (who were in the hellmouth with buffy and faith) were about to get their butts kicked by a couple thousand vampires until the powers kick in and they fight back. buffy gets stabbed but survives, faith kicks butt. upstairs, xander, anya, that gay guy, the principal, giles and dawn defend against the vamps who escape out of the hellmouth. anya gets sliced diagonally down the torso. a handful of the potentials die or are wounded. then the necklake (the heart of the champion) that spike is wearing causes him pain and then sunlight stars bursting out from him and wipes out all the vampires and the hellmouth it self and then we see spike turning to dust. buffy is the last one out of the building and hauls ass and jumps on top of the bus which is carrying the others to safety and then we see sunnydale totally collapse into a giant hole. i actually missed the rest so if something else happened (i missed maybe the last 5 or 10 minutes) then they can fill us in).

:D thanks for that ...but ..when did spike get a soul??

[Steve125]

Originally posted by angelusrp
:D thanks for that ...but ..when did spike get a soul??

The end of last season. He went to some big mystical monster or sumthin to try and get his chip removed I think. Then he was asked why he was there and he responded "to give the slayer what she deserved" (so he wanted the chip removed so he could kill her) and the beast then said "fine, he would give him back his soul." I think that's how things went down.

[sniktawt]

Happy Birthday STEVE125!Don't know ya , but your a fellow Canadian so thought i'd wish ya a happy birthday.

[Steve125]

lol wow, didn't even know people looked at those things, but thanks a lot tho! :D

[sniktawt]

Yeah saw your birthday listed.Checked your locale, thought i'd say happy Birthday.

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

Originally posted by Steve125
The end of last season. He went to some big mystical monster or sumthin to try and get his chip removed I think. Then he was asked why he was there and he responded "to give the slayer what she deserved" (so he wanted the chip removed so he could kill her) and the beast then said "fine, he would give him back his soul." I think that's how things went down.

No, Spike knew perfectly well the demon was going to restore his soul. It was his attempt to give Buffy what she wanted and become like Angel. Spike passed his tests and the demon said "fine, I will grant your wish, I restore your soul." Spike knew what he was getting into.

Speaking of, that entire plot arch seemed weak, never once did Spike try to get redemption for his sins. Never once with the soul did he even show remorse. He was the same old Spike.

[Radiohead]

well i guess it is official. the story on the front page of CS! is the nail in the coffin that charisma won't be returning.
this is so sad. i love charisma (like i love frosted flakes) and 'tis a shame to see her depart.
i know for almost a fact that buffy will be making a return. joss has said in just about every interview recently that he wants sarah michelle to return and do some episodes.
i have a feeling the love story between buffy and angel is far from over and will have some closure before angel ends its run.

[Gerald Tarrant]

I know that Spike is scheduled to be on Angel this fall but has the WB confirmed that there is going to be a fall season for Angel?

[Kyle Katarn]

Yup...but not till October I think! :mad:

[bbyybb]

For good episode details and news and some downloads even. Check out www.buffy.nu. A site i found on my travels around google.


Seems like a decent site. Has promotional pictures for the new season of Angel with Spike and Angel headlining the poster.


Cheers,
bbyybb.

[yeahyeahyeah73]

Originally posted by Radiohead
angel visits buffy and then says goodbye. a siege is staged at sunnydale high and the hellmouth. willow uses the scythe (looks more like an axe to me) to perform a spell that gives slayer powers to every female in the world. meanwhile the potentials (who were in the hellmouth with buffy and faith) were about to get their butts kicked by a couple thousand vampires until the powers kick in and they fight back. buffy gets stabbed but survives, faith kicks butt. upstairs, xander, anya, that gay guy, the principal, giles and dawn defend against the vamps who escape out of the hellmouth. anya gets sliced diagonally down the torso. a handful of the potentials die or are wounded. then the necklake (the heart of the champion) that spike is wearing causes him pain and then sunlight stars bursting out from him and wipes out all the vampires and the hellmouth it self and then we see spike turning to dust. buffy is the last one out of the building and hauls ass and jumps on top of the bus which is carrying the others to safety and then we see sunnydale totally collapse into a giant hole. i actually missed the rest so if something else happened (i missed maybe the last 5 or 10 minutes) then they can fill us in).

Good synopsis, except not every female turned into slayers. It was just all the potential slayers.

[spiderman_2k]

Im pretty sure it was every female in the world

[Kyle Katarn]

No, I got the impression it was only Potentials....I guess it will be explained on Angel.

[spiderman_2k]

Yeah but it flicked to like girls playing baseball and stuff....

[mister_satan666]

no no

the girl playing baseball was a potential

they weren't able to get every single potential slayer in the world to join them..some weren't even aware they were pre-chosen(like buffy)

they even said that they made every potential and every girl that would have been born a potential into a slayer

so since the show agrees with me..it will be wise that u do the same

[spiderman_2k]

Bad attitude in the last line man...I must have missed some episodes..i thought they got every potential there...Guess not

[Alien]

Wait if every potential is a slayer doesn't that mean Angel might meat some more slayers?

[spiderman_2k]

Yep, and i guess some might be bad....

[mister_satan666]

oh yea lots of them can be bad..they wont know they are slayers..they just might think they are really strong


at the end of buffy they mentioned that they need to find the girls quick because they need to know about their destinies and how to use their powers

i doubt they can get to everyone so their will be that one ugly girl that kicks a lot of ass and fights Angel...he then learns through Spike that she's a slayer and other stuff happens...just a thought

[Alien]

They might not be bad just thinking "Angel. Vamp. Kill!"

[mister_satan666]

thats one thing they can think

but u gotta keep in mind that not all of these girls know they are slayers or that vampires even exiest

they just got super strong

[JediPaul]

I want to know what new memories the characters will have from Angel and Buffy, because after all, Wolfram and Hart changed reality for Connor, leaving Angel the only one left knowing that he was his son and all past events (similar to the episode with Buffy in season one). Surely this would affect all characters close to Angel, Fred says "Who's Connor?" but what about Willow and Faith, they knew about Connor and Faith even had to stop Connor from killing Angel. It would have some sort of knock on effect, if Willow and Faith have no memories of Connor then what would there new memories be of the events that happened in LA? Erasing memories that stretch back a time line of over two years would have produced some serious effects. Unlike the events of Angel becoming immortal which only lasted a day, then time was set back to prevent it happening, hence erasing Buffy's memories, Buffy heads back to Sunnydale thinking that she only stop by in LA to have a go at Angel, when truth is it was much longer.

Makes you think.

[Alien]

Well if monks can make a ball of light into an early teen sister for the slayer with memories for all, I think Wolfram and Hart can change the memories of people for two years.

[Kyle Katarn]

If you wanna see Angel as the baddest mother****er this side of Angelus, you MUST see season 2!!! Spoilers ahead from season 2:
For starters, in the 50's Angel stayed at the Hyperion. A Paranoia Demon makes the people there go into a frenzy and hang him! Angel comes down, and the Demon taunts him by saying that there are a bunch of people there that need his help. Angel: "Eat them all.

Need I mention Angel walking away and allowing Dru & Darla to kill some 2-dozen odd W&H high-rankers?

And when he DOES decide to do something about it.....DAYUM! He kills their whole mini demon army and literally burns them alive with one well-placed cigarette and some gas!

[JediPaul]

That's why the show works great because it's not affraid to do the darker episodes.

The fight scenes with Faith and the Beast were brilliant and brutal

[captain cocanut]

Haven't been here in a while... but I awaiting the new season :)

[JediPaul]

I've heard that season 5 will consist mainly of stand out episodes rather than a continued major storyling over several of the season. I thought season 4 was brilliant, I loved every episode of the Beast and Angelus plotline which followed through to the end of the season. It was darker and more serious than previous seasons. Although, it's not such a bad thing having something different every episode.

[Lton]

I'm just glad Connor is gone (even though I thoroughly enjoyed last season, I just didn't like him) and Spike is coming! I'm also glad Buffy will stop in (I wonder how it will be since she isn't that "special" anymore?) I don't know how to feel about no more Cordelia; I'll miss her, but as the creator said there just isn't much more to be done with her.

[Alien]

Everyone hated Connor just coz he brooded around a lot but I liked him I thought he had some potential. Getting him and Faith together could have been fun. I just don't like the way they got rid of Connor.

[Kyle Katarn]

Maybe Buffy and Angel will hook up because they lost their "special-ness" - She ain't the only slayer (hasn't been for a while, but she was the only ACTIVE one) and he ain't the only vamp with a soul! :D

[ceci-chan]

Originally posted by moviegeek
Lorne is so awesome!!!!!!!!!


Lorne kicks arse! :D








I love me some Lorne!

[JediPaul]

Well, I heard there's a potential love interest for Angel next season, a new female character working at Wolfram and Hart. I hope that they finally get Wesley and Fred together. I hope they don't spoil Angel too much when bringing in characters from Buffy, although I love both shows, now that Buffy has finished, they'll be bringing in guest appearances from some of the Buffy cast. I just hope that they don't try and aim the show more towards the younger Buffy generation and have characters like Spike becoming the main focus. Even Buffy's character can be annoying sometimes, always having the attitude that she's better than everyone. Angel works best as it is, season 4 was brilliant, very dark and some great fighting scenes.

[Alien]

I hope they make some computer games of Angel but if they ever do I hope it'd not like Buffy and set like 'missing episodes' of past seasons. If they ever make an Angel game I want a whole new story.

[JediPaul]

I believe that they are making an Angel game. I'm unsure what console it will come out on though. I like the idea of the 'missing episodes' because they're set in the past timeline between events of a certain season of the show. Although, it would be good to have something new, perhaps a game with a storyline that would lead into the new season or perhaps a plotline set in the past stages of Angels life.

[Alien]

History episodes of Angel’s life could be a good game but I'd still want something new.

[JediPaul]

As far as new, do you mean set in the future?

My idea of a good Angel game would be to a select a character and go through the levels with that character interacting with other characters of Angel as you go on. Maybe something in the style of Resident Evil / Streets of Rage.

Characters and Weapons:
Angel - Dual Stake Kit, Sword, Axe
Wesley - Shotgun, Stake, and Crossbow
Gunn - Battle Axe, Knifes, and Stake
Fred - Book of Spells, Pistol, Dagger

What do you think?

[Alien]

I mean a new story. Even if it's in the past it better be a whole new story and not a 'missing episodes.'

[JediPaul]

Originally posted by Alien
I mean a new story. Even if it's in the past it better be a whole new story and not a 'missing episodes.'

Wouldn't that be the same thing? At least if it was set in the past at some point during events of an Angel season. The story would have to have some relevance, like if it was to be set during season 4, then it would have to fit in that timeline and not seem like it's not associated. Therefore, 'missing episodes' is just a name to describe a prelude to certain events.

[captain cocanut]

what's you're thoughts on the season premeire..... Well I was pleasantly pleased... This will be a great season and pretty interesting so far too

[Kobolos]

they got rid of Connor and Cordy and in came Harm and Blondiebear...I can dig it. *G*

[Kyle Katarn]

I missed it... :waa: :waa: :waa: :waa:

[Radiohead]

me too
:(