Rotk Spoiler Pics Inside... [Archive] - Page 12

HopeBurns

10-28-2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by DolAmroth
you dont type image you type img

Yes and guess what, even though I am blonde I figured that out in less then a minute and all by myself. :D Thanks though! ;)

Oh, about the ROTK PHOTO GUIDE PICTURES:

As you all probably noticed by now, TORN had to take them down on request of the publishers, however, you can still take a look at the lot at this french LOTR-site:

http://www.elbakin.net/film/images/retour_du_roi9.htm

HB

DolAmroth

10-28-2003, 09:07 PM

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sanjuro/film/images/galerie/rotk/rotk_9_17.jpg

Dogbert0228

10-28-2003, 09:13 PM

:lol: Awesome... Any chance this is from TTT EE as the party is traveling to Orthanc? I don't think so because of the background, and Gimli isn't with them, but just a thought...

EDIT: HEY! They'll all looking up at something, and that something could very well be Orthanc, because I just remembered that Gimli rode with Legolas often (since he had problems with his own horse, and if you look closely, you can see Gimli on the back of Legolas' horse.

So again, end of TTT EE, or beginning of ROTK? I think this would be an awesome opening scene for ROTK (or, sorry, ONE OF THE FIRST SCENES... If I say opening scene, people will jump all over me saying the reforging of Narsil is the opening scene of ROTK, and I don't know anything, and blah blah blah...) ANYWAY... Where does this fit in? JEDI would know, having seen the EE, and being too lazy to go back and read his report (which is right here http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16469), I wasn't sure whether or not we see this group ride to Isengard...

DolAmroth

10-28-2003, 09:51 PM

HUGE resolution

http://www.lordoftherings.net/media/desktops/creatures_witchking1_1280.jpg

DolAmroth

10-28-2003, 09:52 PM

http://www.lordoftherings.net/media/desktops/creatures_witchking2_1280.jpg

DolAmroth

10-28-2003, 09:56 PM

Ok I think that the people from the official site are dumb cause

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/pelennor/image5.jpg
Thousands of Sauron's orcs make their way towards Minas Tirith.

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/pelennor/image6.jpg

Gondorian soldiers make toward Mordor

thats what they said these pics were. But thats not right and im 100% positive that pic of the orcs in from TTT.

Macbane

10-28-2003, 09:59 PM

That 2nd one is Ride of the Rohirrim, isn't it?

DolAmroth

10-28-2003, 10:00 PM

yeah and the people from the main site said its Gondorian soldiers make toward Mordor. Someone over there is stupid

Glordreen

10-28-2003, 10:04 PM

really stupid!

Macbane

10-28-2003, 10:13 PM

They should be torn apart by wild dingos.

Brock Landers

10-28-2003, 10:38 PM

ROTK SOUNDTRACK COVER:

http://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/Fantasy/The_Lord_of_the_Rings/LOTR_The_Return_of_the_King/cdcover.jpg

kylesmile

10-28-2003, 10:49 PM

:applaud:

Glordreen

10-28-2003, 11:06 PM

that could be the final poster!!!!!!!!!!!

DolAmroth

10-28-2003, 11:18 PM

heres the finial poster

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/LOTRARAGORNSWORD.jpg

DolAmroth

10-28-2003, 11:20 PM

no thats not really it but I found it on allposters.com

Necross

10-29-2003, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by DolAmroth
no thats not really it but I found it on allposters.com

You never know it could be. As for the soundtrack cover, that is definetly not the Final Poster. I love it, but the other two soundtrack covers were not posters so why would this one be?

ILOVEKATIE

10-29-2003, 12:34 AM

I really like that pic of them looking up at something.........and the ROTK soundtrack cover is simply AWESOME.

PsYkOoOoO

10-29-2003, 12:39 AM

i agree with you katie..though aragorn and legolas' faces look weird in that pic

ILOVEKATIE

10-29-2003, 01:06 AM

Yeah, I was going to comment on that, but i didn't want to go there.:DSometimes pictures do that, you know...

The Moose

10-29-2003, 01:37 AM

even though that is fake, it's still damn good

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-29-2003, 01:40 AM

U know the official site has been doing some weird things with that ROTK photo gallery, the captions read one thing, but the pic shows something else. Like the Faramir pic, it says it is Faramir at pellenor fields, when in reality it is Faramir retreating from Osgliath. :confused:

DolAmroth

10-29-2003, 01:47 AM

or this one

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/pelennor/image6.jpg
Gondorian soldiers make towards mordor.

The Moose

10-29-2003, 01:50 AM

someone over there obviously is a bit confused

DolAmroth

10-29-2003, 01:52 AM

or the other one was of Uruk hai marching to Helms Deep and it said Sauron sends thousands of orcs to Minas Tirith.

Smeagol

10-29-2003, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by DolAmroth
heres the finial poster

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/LOTRARAGORNSWORD.jpg

Interesting to note that Eowyn, Theoden, Aragorn etc are considered more important than either Frodo or Sam in the arrangement of this poster: the hobbits are stuffed up in the corner at the back and we can hardly see them. I hope they feature more prominently in the official final poster.

adt100

10-29-2003, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by DolAmroth
yeah and the people from the main site said its Gondorian soldiers make toward Mordor. Someone over there is stupid

Have you ever thought that they might be doing it on purpose Mis-direction has been a habit of PJ and NL over the course of the 3 films from pictures to trailers to the film itself.

adt100

10-29-2003, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by DolAmroth
or the other one was of Uruk hai marching to Helms Deep and it said Sauron sends thousands of orcs to Minas Tirith.

Like I said yesterday, check your TTT DVD again and tell me that's not ROTK. ;)

Spy-Of-Saruman

10-29-2003, 07:37 AM

Exactly adt, that inst Uruks heading to Helms Deep as we never see that shot in the movie and even if New Line were purposely mis-leading us, I dont think they would mislead us to the point where they put up shots that are from an entirely different movie.

Necross

10-29-2003, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Smeagol
Interesting to note that Eowyn, Theoden, Aragorn etc are considered more important than either Frodo or Sam in the arrangement of this poster: the hobbits are stuffed up in the corner at the back and we can hardly see them. I hope they feature more prominently in the official final poster.

Yeah, I don't think that poster is the Final one anyway. I love it, but it think it might be just one side. Like several of the TT posters. Some only had Frodo and Sam, others Saruman and his Uruk-hai. I think that one is just a theme poster.....I hope that makes sense to everyone. :p

Spy-Of-Saruman

10-29-2003, 09:07 AM

Weve all seen this pic but ive never seen this poster version of it

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/ROTK_791600.jpg

AnGeL's_BaBe03

10-29-2003, 10:41 AM

i cant wait for this movie.

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-29-2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
:lol: Awesome... Any chance this is from TTT EE as the party is traveling to Orthanc? I don't think so because of the background, and Gimli isn't with them, but just a thought...

EDIT: HEY! They'll all looking up at something, and that something could very well be Orthanc, because I just remembered that Gimli rode with Legolas often (since he had problems with his own horse, and if you look closely, you can see Gimli on the back of Legolas' horse.

So again, end of TTT EE, or beginning of ROTK? I think this would be an awesome opening scene for ROTK (or, sorry, ONE OF THE FIRST SCENES... If I say opening scene, people will jump all over me saying the reforging of Narsil is the opening scene of ROTK, and I don't know anything, and blah blah blah...) ANYWAY... Where does this fit in? JEDI would know, having seen the EE, and being too lazy to go back and read his report (which is right here http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16469), I wasn't sure whether or not we see this group ride to Isengard...

Well, since it appears that those characters are in the location of orthanc, I assume this would be one of the scenes that depict the road to isengard, which would be a ROTK scene. I'd imagine that the scene would be early in the film.

downflow311

10-29-2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Brock Landers
ROTK SOUNDTRACK COVER:

http://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/Fantasy/The_Lord_of_the_Rings/LOTR_The_Return_of_the_King/cdcover.jpg

i bet this is the final poster.

adt100

10-29-2003, 05:02 PM

I bet you a ticket to the first showing of ROTK it isn't.

Samwise Gamwich

10-29-2003, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Glordreen
that could be the final poster!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope not... They omitted too many of our main characters...

Spy-Of-Saruman

10-29-2003, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by adt100
I bet you a ticket to the first showing of ROTK it isn't.

I doubt you would go through with that bet anyway adt :p

DolAmroth

10-29-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by adt100
Like I said yesterday, check your TTT DVD again and tell me that's not ROTK. ;)

Ok this pic is from TTT and thast Saurmans amry marching to HD

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/pelennor/image5.jpg

adt100

10-29-2003, 07:13 PM

Glad we got that cleared up then. Like I said all along, it's from the Uraks march to Helm's Deep at the 2hr and 55sec mark of the TTT DVD. :D

(It was the colour grading that got me, and fact that I only checked the first part of the Urak Hai's march during Galadriel's spiel. This is from later during Theoden's lines to Gamling in the Hornburg. :o)

downflow311

10-29-2003, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by adt100
I bet you a ticket to the first showing of ROTK it isn't. i wouldnt go that far adt. its just a guess. i bet its similar to that though, considering the 2 previous movies and their soundtrack covers.

Dogbert0228

10-30-2003, 12:54 AM

Here are some behind-the-scene pictures of ROTK (and the other films) from TORN, from a foreign magazine... I like the one of Wood and Astin in the cave...

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9352.jpg http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9353.jpg http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9354.jpg

DolAmroth

10-30-2003, 01:04 AM

Do you guys think this pic is from battle of the pelennor fields or black gate.

PsYkOoOoO

10-30-2003, 01:52 AM

this pic?what pic?

DolAmroth

10-30-2003, 02:38 AM

sorry this pic

http://homepage.mac.com/elwen/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-08-19%2002.19.05%20-0700/Image-C548885AD22511D7.jpg

PsYkOoOoO

10-30-2003, 02:44 AM

at the fields i guess...

The Moose

10-30-2003, 02:46 AM

yep, that pic is Black Gate. why? the ground. at Pelennor, it would be partially green due to the grass growing there. morannon, everything is dead

PsYkOoOoO

10-30-2003, 02:47 AM

at the black gate everyone will be on horses...not on foot?

DolAmroth

10-30-2003, 02:53 AM

No in the book a thousand horse and six thousand foot went to the black gate.

The Moose

10-30-2003, 03:04 AM

that's why i thought Morannon

DolAmroth

10-30-2003, 03:09 AM

but at Morannon the horse would strike first cause they are in front.

PsYkOoOoO

10-30-2003, 05:57 AM

and there will be mountains surrounding the area...not clear blue sky...and i dont think there shld be clear blue sky...

adt100

10-30-2003, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by downflow311
i wouldnt go that far adt. its just a guess. i bet its similar to that though, considering the 2 previous movies and their soundtrack covers.

Oh, I would. I'm pretty confident. ;)

It's square for a start, and they would therefore have to re-jig the design quite a lot to accomodate for the extra space of a full theatre poster. It's not just a case of sticking a few more pictures at the top and bottom.

adt100

10-30-2003, 06:03 AM

Not necessarily DA. In fact that's not usually the case in historical battles.

Either way, I'd say that yes it is the Morannon. We've seen various pictures that would support that argument.

downflow311

10-30-2003, 05:02 PM

defintely the morannon. does anyone think we will see the MOS before ROTK is released?

UnicornBlood3

10-30-2003, 05:36 PM

I doubt it..They will probably try hard to keep him a *suprise*..And a part of me would rather him be one..

adt100

10-30-2003, 06:03 PM

No MOS, no real mention of the Morannon at all (except for the few snap shots us fans can pick out), no Frodo/Gollum at the cracks of Doom, no Grey Havens, no Eowyn vs WiKi.

These are all certainties IMO.

superxero88

10-30-2003, 07:26 PM

Im positive this has been established earlier in this thread, but, how do you spoil a book inspired by a movie?

downflow311

10-30-2003, 08:07 PM

nobody has seen the movie, the movie and the book are two seperate entities IMO. this is the first time anybody has seen shelob or the witch king.

downflow311

10-30-2003, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by superxero88
Im positive this has been established earlier in this thread, but, how do you spoil a book inspired by a movie?

and you mean movie inspired by a book right?;)

superxero88

10-30-2003, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by downflow311
and you mean movie inspired by a book right?;)
yea. thats what i mean.
edit: i think i meant to say "a book that inspired a movie":p

downflow311

10-31-2003, 12:14 AM

thats what i thought you ment:D

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-31-2003, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by downflow311
defintely the morannon. does anyone think we will see the MOS before ROTK is released?

I think we will...

DolAmroth

10-31-2003, 01:33 AM

I hope we do but we might not

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-31-2003, 01:38 AM

If a pic of MOS is to be anywhere, I would say the visual companion.

We'll just to wait and see.

Turin Turambar

10-31-2003, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
and there will be mountains surrounding the area...not clear blue sky...and i dont think there shld be clear blue sky...

Not this again!

Digital grading people! Digital grading!

PsYkOoOoO

10-31-2003, 02:37 AM

we shall see

downflow311

10-31-2003, 01:25 PM

and see you will.....digital grading can do wonders

downflow311

10-31-2003, 03:06 PM

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:75mEjSx-zVMC:viggomortensen.narod.ru/images/townsend-aragorn.jpg

not really a spoiler pic, but this is what stuart townsend looked like as Aragorn. all i have to say is thank god PJ recast him with Viggo. :applaud:

KenM

10-31-2003, 03:13 PM

I thought they did not film any footage with ST as Aragorn?

downflow311

10-31-2003, 03:23 PM

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots/arwen_sittingoutside_tn.jpg

and this pic is supposedly arwen in lothlorien, notice the mirror to the left.

downflow311

10-31-2003, 03:24 PM

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots/celeborn_elrond_tn.jpg

Elrond and Celeborn

DarkPhoenix646

10-31-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by downflow311
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:75mEjSx-zVMC:viggomortensen.narod.ru/images/townsend-aragorn.jpg

not really a spoiler pic, but this is what stuart townsend looked like as Aragorn. all i have to say is thank god PJ recast him with Viggo. :applaud:

he could work as one of the Rangers

downflow311

10-31-2003, 04:08 PM

he looks more like a king arthur then an LOTR character IMO.

Knerys

10-31-2003, 04:12 PM

Townsend is much too young, and honestly I'mnot that impressed with what I have seen him in thus far, Though his Dorian Gray was alright. Viggo fits much better. Though I was sad to hear the Daniel Day-lewis turned the role down. He would have been a great Aragorn. BUt Viggo was great as well.

downflow311

10-31-2003, 04:21 PM

Viggo is perfect. he has a very kingly look to him when wearing his white tree armor.

HopeBurns

10-31-2003, 04:24 PM

I agree. I recently saw Day-Lewis again in Arthur Miller's Witchhunt and the thought crossed my mind: "Yes, he COULD HAVE BEEN Aragorn!" I am sure he would have done a terrific job. But for it's worth I am glad he turned down the job, as for me Viggo IS Aragorn now. Period. :)

Andrea

Knerys

10-31-2003, 04:24 PM

Well after seeing him in the role I can't see anyone esle even coming close now. I can't wait to see The Return of the King.

downflow311

10-31-2003, 04:25 PM

we still got a long time to wait......

Knerys

10-31-2003, 04:27 PM

Well I looking at it in section. Have Matrix Nov.5 then THankgiving break, then ROTK. Hopefully it will make the time to go faster.

downflow311

10-31-2003, 04:31 PM

ya i suppose that would help. im defintely hyped for Revolutions on wednesday and then the ROTK game comes out thursday. that should be enough to hold me over until the TTT:EE on the 18th.

Knerys

10-31-2003, 04:34 PM

Yeah though I'mnot getting TTT:EE until christmas heh. Plus school itself will keep me occupied until then.

downflow311

10-31-2003, 04:35 PM

dude your crazy:D

i couldnt wait until christmas for the EE even if i tried. im having a hard enough time waiting for the 18th and dec 16th for trilogy tuesday.

Knerys

10-31-2003, 04:39 PM

I'm gonna try and tough it out. Beside I have the theaterical verison to tide me over until then. ;)

downflow311

10-31-2003, 05:30 PM

all right guys, i found a site that has a ton of new pics i have never seen before, but you cant hot link to the pictures so here is the url:

http://www.dailydigest.net/previewrotk.html

downflow311

10-31-2003, 05:51 PM

it is seriously worth checking out you guys. theres some new pics of grond and gandalf and gimli in battle.

Knerys

10-31-2003, 05:55 PM

Wow! This is just feeding fuel to the fire lol. Great pics!

adt100

10-31-2003, 05:56 PM

Interesting site (but what's with all the pink and purple! :o)

I'm pretty sure that 95% of those pictures are scattered about within this very thread somewhere. :)

downflow311

10-31-2003, 05:57 PM

yeah, but there are a few i have never seen before. the layout is terrible though.

adt100

10-31-2003, 06:06 PM

You know how eagle-eyed th members in this forum are though.

If there's an ROTK picture about, it will make it's way here pretty quickly. ;)

downflow311

10-31-2003, 06:11 PM

true. i hardly ever check out other sites because the information is usually here.

DolAmroth

10-31-2003, 07:02 PM

Do you think that if I buy the rotk game this thursday that it will totaly give everything away. I mean like spoil everything. Because I dont want to be to spoiled before the movie comes out.

downflow311

10-31-2003, 07:03 PM

not everything. im buying it and i cant wait to see the new movie footage. it will probably spoil the ending but im sure some things will not be spoiled.

but you've read the books so you probably know everything already dol.

Smeagol

10-31-2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by downflow311
dude your crazy:D

i couldnt wait until christmas for the EE even if i tried. im having a hard enough time waiting for the 18th and dec 16th for trilogy tuesday.

Haha, me neither. I'll be buying it from the shops here in the UK during my lunch break on the day of release. :) I could order it from play.com for a much cheaper price, but what if it doesn't turn up on time, especially with the current postal strike in the UK? I would never forgive myself, that's why I'm buying it in person. :cool:

Smeagol

10-31-2003, 07:08 PM

I have already planned my TTT EE DVD schedule:

1. Watch TTT EE

2. Listen to the Post-production Commentary

3. Watch all of Disc 4

4. Listen to the Directors Commentary

5. Listen to the Cast Commentary

6. Watch all of Disc 3

7. Watch TTT EE [AGAIN!]

8. Listen to the Design Team Commentary

That order may seem very hackneyed and cack-handed but that's the order that I perused through the FOTR EE DVD so I am keeping with tradition! ;) Oh my, just 18 days. :applaud:

adt100

10-31-2003, 07:13 PM

Buying online you usually get it on release day at the latest (if it's a decent store).

Recently I posted what I think is a pretty amazing price for the EE of £17.99 at www.dvd.co.uk.

That's the same price as the TC, whereas most shops will be doing it for £21-£24.

Dogbert0228

10-31-2003, 07:27 PM

Hey, this isn't a spoiler pic, but it's still a spoiler...

You know the debate about whether or not Elrond travels to Lothlorien? Disc 4 of TTT EE settles it. According to the preview/review I posted in a thread on the EE screenings, Elrond was originally going to travel to Lothlorien when Arwen traveled to Helms Deep to fight. Since Arwen going to Helms Deep was cut, Elrond going to Lothlorien was cut as well. So most likely, he won't be going to Lothlorien in ROTK, though they could still fit something in if PJ saw it neccessary for some reason.

And secondly, for those who can't wait to see the death of Saruman at Isengard at the beginning of ROTK, the EE disc 4 shows a rough cut of the scene that was originally going to appear in TTT.

downflow311

10-31-2003, 07:37 PM

thats going to be so awesome. man i love the EEs.

DolAmroth

10-31-2003, 08:24 PM

Grima slits Saurmans throat right and then does he just fall on the ground and bleed to deadth or does he like fall back off the balcony and get impailed by that spike thing. I think getting your throat cut is enough.

The Moose

10-31-2003, 09:09 PM

i don't know what to think about that death, but i will know if it does justice to the character when i see it.

downflow311

10-31-2003, 10:21 PM

grima slits saruman's throat and he falls off orthanc to a spike, and then is impaled

The Moose

10-31-2003, 10:56 PM

i know that's how it happend, but it will be how it's shown on the screen that will make it look either good, or hirribly bad in terms of doing justice to the character of Saruman

JEDI_THE_WHITE

11-01-2003, 12:11 AM

I am curious on how it will look too. By reading the death scene of Sauruman in ROTK, it sound like it will be cool. Then again, in order for that to happen, it has to be done right.

Actually, I am confident it will look fine.

The Moose

11-01-2003, 12:17 AM

i know that PJ has delivered 2 great films so far, but i'm worried as if this is done the wrong way, it will look really bad..

but i have confidence in PJ. he knows the right way to go

Turin Turambar

11-01-2003, 01:02 AM

I was wondering exactly how they were going to start ROTK, but that site said it will begin in Rivendell and the reforging of Narsil! "Give him the sword of the kings!" and then it leads right into the title--ROTK. The shot after the title will be a post-Helm's Deep scene where they set out to Isengard, so they can focus on Aragorn.

At least, that's what I think should happen.

Another good tie-in is the Crossroads scene. Where Frodo and Sam find the statue of the king, but it's head is gone. On the side of the road, they see the head, but it still has a crown of flowers. Either scene opens up for "Return of the King", IMO.

The Moose

11-01-2003, 01:15 AM

i'm not too sure how the film will start, but Narsil being reforged is definitely it. but the dialogue in that will be a little interesting. like they can't just walk up, grab the shards, and they say lets reforge this for Aragorn

JEDI_THE_WHITE

11-01-2003, 01:37 AM

I think that the reforging of narsil, will be ONE of the opening scenes, but maybe not THE opening scene.

I am with Turin when I say I would like to open back at helms deep, we left TTT with the hobbits and fans know they were continuing their journey into mordor, so let's open with the aftermath of helms deep.

The Moose

11-01-2003, 01:47 AM

who was it that said that we would get Narsil as teh opening scene, btw?

i can see the sense in an opening at HD, but FOTR and TTT started dramatically, so i think that ROTK will be the same, and the aftermath at HD isn't quite so

downflow311

11-01-2003, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Turin Turambar
I was wondering exactly how they were going to start ROTK, but that site said it will begin in Rivendell and the reforging of Narsil! "Give him the sword of the kings!" and then it leads right into the title--ROTK. The shot after the title will be a post-Helm's Deep scene where they set out to Isengard, so they can focus on Aragorn.

At least, that's what I think should happen.

Another good tie-in is the Crossroads scene. Where Frodo and Sam find the statue of the king, but it's head is gone. On the side of the road, they see the head, but it still has a crown of flowers. Either scene opens up for "Return of the King", IMO.

i was wondering the exact same thing. its going to be hard to top the opening sequence in TTT. Gandalf vs Balrog has been my favorite scene so far in the movies.

Brock Landers

11-01-2003, 01:42 PM

Personnaly I like the idea of NARSIL being reforged as the opener, and then cutting to Sam and Frodo at the Crossroads seeing the head of the fallen King

adt100

11-01-2003, 02:06 PM

Narsil reforged has also been talked of as being 1 of the opening scenes, but I think we will have scenes will Frodo/Sam/Gollum walking to the Crossroads and Gandalf and co. at Helm's Deep departing for Isengard before we see this.

Seeing the trailer it would be extremely difficult to fit the Narsil story at the very beginning. Either way, I think we can all agree the start will be very interesting.

downflow311

11-01-2003, 02:45 PM

i bet it picks up at the HD aftermath. that would be the most logical, but i hope PJ does something really original and cool.

Elendil11

11-01-2003, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
Here are some behind-the-scene pictures of ROTK (and the other films) from TORN, from a foreign magazine... I like the one of Wood and Astin in the cave...

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9352.jpg http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9353.jpg http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9354.jpg

Wonderful !!
It's the first time i can easily understand something about Lotr on this thread !
:-) too happy ...

downflow311

11-01-2003, 03:05 PM

no new pictures though unfortunately.

Smeagol

11-01-2003, 04:22 PM

1. The Stairs of Cirith Ungol
2. The Voice Of Saruman
3. Shelob's Lair
4. The Palantir
5. Reforging Narsil
6. Minas Tirith
7. The Paths of The Dead
8. The Muster of Rohan
9. The Tower of Cirith Ungol
10. The Siege of Gondor
11. The Ride of the Rohirrim
12. The Land of Shadow
13. The Battle of the Pelennor Fields
14. The Pyre of Denethor
15. Mount Doom
16. The Black Gate Opens
17. The Houses of Healing
18. The Return of the King
19. Homeward Bound
20. The Grey Havens

I may have a few scenes out of place in regard to the timescale of the book, but I think it's quite a good estimate, nonetheless. The Journey to the Crossroads, The Steward of Gondor and Many Partings could be incorporated into scenes 1, 6 and 19 respectively.

Isidien

11-01-2003, 04:26 PM

I think that it is quite a good estimate it is quite tricky as the book sets it out so difficultly and also because the end of the two towers is chopped off

downflow311

11-01-2003, 05:09 PM

i think it will be a little more mixed up then that. i cant see the mt doom scene coming right after the pyre of denethor....

Isidien

11-01-2003, 05:12 PM

I dunno they cant mix it up 2 much! The film is already mixed up enough as it is with Shelobs lair and The reforging of Narsil etc..

downflow311

11-01-2003, 05:13 PM

its PJ, he will do as he sees fit. and i think hes earned our trust..

Isidien

11-01-2003, 05:27 PM

Very True! hes done a good job so far i just want ROTK to be as gd as the book but im almost positive that i wont be disappointed i just hope lotr cleans up at the oscars this time round

downflow311

11-01-2003, 05:29 PM

i hope so too, but i cant help but feel PJ will once again be shunned. this is an argument i've had with many members on the board so i dont really feel like getting into it right now though :meanie:

Isidien

11-01-2003, 05:36 PM

Yea i just really want lotr to get the recognition it deserves hopefully since its the last one it should get something but i still cnt believe it was shunned at the previous ones

What battle do you think will be better Pelannor fields or the gates of Mordor?

adt100

11-01-2003, 07:33 PM

Gandalf with Pippin, immediately after his encounter with a certain Palantir? -

http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~estel/images/oct/pia.jpg

Elessar504

11-01-2003, 07:48 PM

Yes, I think so

Glordreen

11-01-2003, 09:11 PM

yep thats what it looks like or

SPOILERS

Its when Pippin is covered and becomes unconsious so to speak at the Black Gates during the battle and Gandalf finds him. both could work.

Glordreen

11-01-2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by Smeagol

16. The Black Gate Opens
17. The Houses of Healing

these two should be switched

The Moose

11-01-2003, 09:31 PM

cool pic adt

Brock Landers

11-01-2003, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by adt100
Gandalf with Pippin, immediately after his encounter with a certain Palantir? -

http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~estel/images/oct/pia.jpg

To me, it kind of looks like Aragorn. It just does.....

The Moose

11-01-2003, 10:09 PM

yeah. the hair makes it seem not to be pippin

Kaluza

11-01-2003, 11:33 PM

Yeah, it does kind of look like Aragorn. The picture looks like he has a mustache.

Brock Landers

11-01-2003, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Kaluza
Yeah, it does kind of look like Aragorn. The picture looks like he has a mustache.

Exactly my thoughts, Kaluza. The person who Gandalf is leaning over looks more like Aragorn than Pippen. Maybe this is the showing of Aragorn also looking in to the Palantyr to challenge Sauron(which was alluded to in the book, I believe). Although I don't remember Gandalf being around when he did that. Possibly PJ tweeked this around......but this is all speculation on my part. I'll have to go to the book again for reference

downflow311

11-02-2003, 12:12 AM

i just saw a new tv ad for the ROTK game, and it had about 45 seconds of movie footage in it. 5 seconds of it was new, showed catapults launching on minas tirith. it was bad ass. so keep a look out if your watching tv!!!!

JEDI_THE_WHITE

11-02-2003, 12:58 AM

The nose makes me think it is Pippin...

Turin Turambar

11-02-2003, 01:32 AM

1- Journey to the Cross-roads (opening title)
2- HD aftermath, journey to Isengard
3- Narsil reforged
4- Voice of Saruman
5- "The precious, will be ours..." "He means to murder us!"
6- Edoras, Merry pledges allegiance, Pippin looks in Palantir, Nazgul chase
7- Minas Morgul, Sauron unleashed
8- Elrond and Aragorn
9- Pippin and Gandalf journey to Minas Tirith
10- (probably some scene with Arwen)
11- Aragorn looks in Palantir, farewell to Eowyn
12- Stairs of Cirith Ungol, outside Shelob's Lair
13- Meeting with Denethor "Osgiliath is over-run"
14- POTD
15- Shelob's Lair
16- Faramir attacks Osgiliath
17- Muster of Rohan
18- Choices of Master Samwise/Tower of Cirith Ungol
19- Siege of Gondor
20- Sam and Frodo trek it through Mordor
21- Pyre of Denethor
22- Ride of the Rohirrim/Wiki
23- Corsairs
24- Sam and Frodo run with orcs north then break away
25- Houses of Healing/Last debate
26- Black Gate Opens
27- Faramir and Eowyn
28- Journey up Mt. Doom
29- Final Showdown (!!!)
30- Mt. Doom "The end of all things"
31- Field of Celebrant/Coronation
32- Grey Havens

How's this?

The Moose

11-02-2003, 02:52 AM

that's pretty good, but i think that there'll be more after Mt. Doom

i think it's just the light that's making the hair of the person lying down seem to be darker than it actually is

adt100

11-02-2003, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
The nose makes me think it is Pippin...

Exactly.

You can see it's a dark picture and 'Pippin' is near the ground, so with Gandalf over him the hair would look darker than its natural colour. Not only does it not remotely resemble Aragorn IMO, but I can't see Gandalf in that position with him either.

We know the situation surrounding Aragorn's confronation with Sauron in the Palantir as have had reports of the scene, and unlike Pippin he can withstand Sauron's gaze.

adt100

11-02-2003, 05:35 AM

BTW TT, maybe you should start a new thread for that chapter list. :)

Brandy

11-02-2003, 12:53 PM

>>Its when Pippin is covered and becomes unconsious so to speak at the Black Gates during the battle and Gandalf finds him. both could work<<

It's Gimli that finds Pippin, not Gandalf. :)

I thinks its Gandalf checking Pippin after the palantir. The only other character it could be would be Faramir, Merry, or Eowyn . . (from the House of Healing) the profile looks like Billy Boyd though.

downflow311

11-02-2003, 12:58 PM

i think its Aragorn. doesnt look anything like Pippin to me.

adt100

11-02-2003, 01:56 PM

I think you need glasses downflow, Aragron's the big guy with the beard. :p ;)

What scene do you think this is then?

Brock Landers

11-02-2003, 01:58 PM

It could be FARAMIR......in the houses of Healing. I mean, Aragorn and Faramir could look similar in the lighting of that picture. But I'm just speculating. Don't listen to me, I have bad eyesight! ;)

Smeagol

11-02-2003, 02:02 PM

It's definitely Billy Boyd with his Lorien hood pulled over his head. It must have been really chilly in that Rohan stable, you know! ;)

downflow311

11-02-2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by adt100
Gandalf with Pippin, immediately after his encounter with a certain Palantir? -

http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~estel/images/oct/pia.jpg

why would i need glasses? his facial characteristics and hair look alot like Aragorn. the point is, this angle is really hard to tell who it is.

downflow311

11-02-2003, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Smeagol
It's definitely Billy Boyd with his Lorien hood pulled over his head.

ok after you pointed that out, it is Pippin. now i can see the Lorien hood over his head. maybe i do need glasses adt....

Brock Landers

11-02-2003, 02:05 PM

Yes. Let's call up Viggo himself up for confirmation! ;)

"Hey Viggo, Brock Landers from Coming soon!"
"Oh, hello Brock! How's the family?"
"I don't have a family, Viggo, I'm only a teenager"
(long pause)
"I would have followed Frodo to the end until the very fires of Mordor"
"I know dude, I know.....keep on truckin"
"Likewise"

downflow311

11-02-2003, 02:08 PM

i wonder what Viggo would use as a phone? he probably do the hand-phone thing.... or maybe you guys would have two tin cans and a rope?

Brock Landers

11-02-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by downflow311
i wonder what Viggo would use as a phone? he probably do the hand-phone thing.... or maybe you guys would have two tin cans and a rope?

Dude, DUNEDAIN don't have phones. They have carrier pigeons.

I'm such a jackass...LOL! ;)

downflow311

11-02-2003, 02:12 PM

well since LOTR has a marketing campaign with Verizon im guessing they would have some cool cell phones!

"can you hear me now?"
"good"

oh that never gets old. i work at Verizon (im actually there right now) and every customer that comes in says that to me......*wants to kill himself*......*after he kills that verizon dork*

Brock Landers

11-02-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by downflow311
oh that never gets old. i work at Verizon (im actually there right now) and every customer that comes in says that to me......*wants to kill himself*

LOL! Priceless.

CUSTOMER: "Can you hear me now?"
DOWNFLOW: "Yes.....and it sounds like moron"

downflow311

11-02-2003, 02:18 PM

i hope he has a cameo in ROTK and gets run over by an oliphaunt. and then his head gets catapulted into Minas Tirith......then Gondor throws it back at the orcs.

Spy-Of-Saruman

11-02-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Smeagol
It's definitely Billy Boyd with his Lorien hood pulled over his head. It must have been really chilly in that Rohan stable, you know! ;)

Do the Lorien cloaks have hoods? :confused:

Originally posted by Brock Landers
"Hey Viggo, Brock Landers from Coming soon!"
"Oh, hello Brock! How's the family?"
"I don't have a family, Viggo, I'm only a teenager"
(long pause)
"I would have followed Frodo to the end until the very fires of Mordor"
"I know dude, I know.....keep on truckin"
"Likewise"

LMAO

Turin Turambar

11-02-2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by downflow311
well since LOTR has a marketing campaign with Verizon im guessing they would have some cool cell phones!

"can you hear me now?"
"good"

oh that never gets old. i work at Verizon (im actually there right now) and every customer that comes in says that to me......*wants to kill himself*......*after he kills that verizon dork*

"Can you hear me now?"
(creepy voice): "....seven days...."

:D

downflow311

11-02-2003, 05:25 PM

:lol:

CWLakers34

11-02-2003, 05:30 PM

Hey I just went to a local mall today and in the movie store Suncoast they have tons of Return of the King figures and books. I saw the new Visual Companion and found bunches of spoiler pics inside... I'd post them, buuut I couldn't buy the book. Someone keep an eye out for it. I'd say it's worth the money!

Turin Turambar

11-02-2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by CWLakers34
Hey I just went to a local mall today and in the movie store Suncoast they have tons of Return of the King figures and books. I saw the new Visual Companion and found bunches of spoiler pics inside... I'd post them, buuut I couldn't buy the book. Someone keep an eye out for it. I'd say it's worth the money!

Heh, that's where I work! :)

Yes, I've already bought the Aragorn and Gollum action figures with my employee discount. I'm not sure if I should get the Trivial Pursuit game (it's $39.99, but $25.71 after my discount). I haven't seen the visual companion yet... I'll have to check to see if we got it in on Tuesday.

downflow311

11-02-2003, 11:39 PM

heres a new pic of Merry:
http://www.bagendinn.com/Group/images/costumed/rotk/promos/cal3.jpg

maybe when he sees the WiKi? he has a shocking look on his face....

PsYkOoOoO

11-03-2003, 12:09 AM

i posted that before downflow..

Tonkpils

11-03-2003, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
i posted that before downflow..
You may have posted it before but ive never seen it i dont think... ive seen variations of that pic but not that exact pic.

PsYkOoOoO

11-03-2003, 12:22 AM

Some pics from the 2004 calendar...some are new..some are old..what the hell..i will post the new ones..

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9398.jpg

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9401.jpg

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9403.jpg

for more of the calendar..check out this link

http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1085/

Dogbert0228

11-03-2003, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
The nose makes me think it is Pippin... \

And his red hair...

PsYkOoOoO

11-03-2003, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by Spy-Of-Saruman
Do the Lorien cloaks have hoods? :confused:

yes they do..;)

DolAmroth

11-03-2003, 01:23 AM

Is it me or does it look like Gollums has longer hair in that pic then he did in TTT.

JEDI_THE_WHITE

11-03-2003, 01:40 AM

Legolas taking aim at Wormtounge???

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9401.jpg

DolAmroth

11-03-2003, 01:47 AM

are you sure thats legolas about to kill wormtounge

The Moose

11-03-2003, 02:41 AM

i dunno. it would be logical for his hair to be a bit longer, as it may have grown, but gollum could be past the age where hair would gro in his head

adt100

11-03-2003, 06:57 AM

I have to say I'm pretty unimpresse with those 2004 calendar pictures.

Not only are most of them identical pics to those on the 2003 calendar, but the composition, colouring and everything is certainly of a much lower standard IMHO.

Either way it confirms yet again that the final colour scheme for ROTK will be blue. I expect therefore that the final theatrical poster will be this hue.

PsYkOoOoO

11-03-2003, 06:58 AM

i dont really care about the calendars...they can screw it up for all i care

Elf Lady

11-03-2003, 07:47 AM

I don't know why they're using that image of Legolas on the ROTK calendar...when he's clearly got his Mirkwood bow...

Strider-Oni

11-03-2003, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Elf Lady
I don't know why they're using that image of Legolas on the ROTK calendar...when he's clearly got his Mirkwood bow...

...and he doesn't have his Lórien cloak on either.

ILOVEKATIE

11-03-2003, 12:26 PM

The Gollum pic cracks me up:funny:

Anyway, the picture with Gandalf holding someone, that someone is definitely Pippin.

Spy-Of-Saruman

11-03-2003, 12:44 PM

That pic of Gollum IS from The Two Towers isnt it?

JEDI_THE_WHITE

11-03-2003, 01:06 PM

Hey, you guys are right. Legolas doesn't have his cloak on. That pic the calendar used is an old pic.

Smeagol

11-03-2003, 02:08 PM

Where's this picture of the 4 hobbits from? An unused section of FOTR? Or something at the end of ROTK? :confused: Is it even a new picture, or have my eyes failed me previously? ;)

http://www.nydailynews.com/business/story/133182p-118772c.html

adt100

11-03-2003, 02:43 PM

Looks like early on in FOTR, somewhere on their path between Bree and Moria would be my guess.

adt100

11-03-2003, 02:50 PM

Hope ElfLady won't mind me re-posting this link to some more scans from the Visual Companion she has done -

ROTK Visual Companion Pics (http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/rotk/misc/vc.htm)

Tonkpils

11-03-2003, 02:56 PM

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9403.jpg

This pic of Gollum is so awesome... its just great.

Samwise Gamwich

11-03-2003, 06:25 PM

AWESOME!!!

NEW Spoiler Pics!!!

Have a click on this link!!!!!

http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/rotk/misc/vc.htm

Samwise Gamwich

11-03-2003, 06:25 PM

(Dam... Late again as usual!!)

adt100

11-03-2003, 06:43 PM

The White City, Minas Tirith -

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/minastirith/image0.jpg

adt100

11-03-2003, 06:43 PM

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/minastirith/image1.jpg

adt100

11-03-2003, 06:44 PM

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/minastirith/image2.jpg

adt100

11-03-2003, 06:45 PM

(Damn you Witch King, not coming in through the gate like you're meant to! :mad: )

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/minastirith/image3.jpg

adt100

11-03-2003, 06:45 PM

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/minastirith/image4.jpg

Dogbert0228

11-03-2003, 07:11 PM

One of the best ones... Thanks, ElfLady...
I love the look on Denethor's face....

http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/rotk/misc/images/vc_015.jpg

Mr. Frodo

11-03-2003, 07:20 PM

i love that pic too but i like this one as well, i think he was reaching for sting and shelob stepped on his cloak. Is that a tear on sams face? thanks elf lady
http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/rotk/misc/images/vc_008.jpg

downflow311

11-03-2003, 07:35 PM

wow!!!!! great pictures!!!!

OneRing

11-03-2003, 07:53 PM

WOW IM loving the pictures ...just awsome!!!!
im am really likeing the picture of frodo, sam, and gollum by the watchers in MM

OneRing

11-03-2003, 07:59 PM

is this pic when the gondorian solders are on pelloner fields? and gandalf goes to rescue them along with faramir when the nasgul are attacking them?
http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/rotk/misc/images/vc_019.jpg

DolAmroth

11-03-2003, 08:57 PM

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_018.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_006.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_010.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_017.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_022.jpg

DolAmroth

11-03-2003, 09:00 PM

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_013.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_008.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_016.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_009.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_005.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_003b.jpg

http://warofthering.net/rotk_visual/vc_014.jpg

http://www.warofthering.net/photoforum/data/502/323samgolfrodo.jpg

Macbane

11-03-2003, 09:38 PM

THOSE PICS ARE SO FRIGGIN' INCREDIBLE!

DolAmroth

11-03-2003, 09:39 PM

some shots from the new video on MT.

http://www.warofthering.net/photoforum/data/502/2102City_Plaza.jpg

http://www.warofthering.net/photoforum/data/502/2102City_Gate.jpg

http://www.warofthering.net/photoforum/data/502/2102Inside_the_White_City.jpg

http://www.warofthering.net/photoforum/data/502/2102Streets_of_Minas_Tirith.jpg

http://www.warofthering.net/photoforum/data/502/2102Inside_White_City_2.jpg

Glordreen

11-03-2003, 10:00 PM

Awesome pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PsYkOoOoO

11-03-2003, 10:53 PM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW..

U CAN ACTUALLY SEE SHELOB'S LEGS IN THE PHOTO WITH SAM PULLING SOMETHING......WOWWWWWWWWW

DolAmroth

11-03-2003, 11:00 PM

Shelob is stepping on sams cloak and hes trying to pull it back

PsYkOoOoO

11-04-2003, 12:21 AM

isnt that theoden's sword that eowyn's wearing?i like that pic of her btw...

Tonkpils

11-04-2003, 12:29 AM

oh man these pics are AWESOME!

DolAmroth

11-04-2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
isnt that theoden's sword that eowyn's wearing?i like that pic of her btw...

it sure does look like theodens sword.

Macbane

11-04-2003, 12:43 AM

There's a little bit of a difference in the handles(is that the word?) on their swords. Besides, all of the Rohan swords kinda look the same.

PsYkOoOoO

11-04-2003, 12:48 AM

whats the different?the hilts are the same...and they are both one handed swords

Turin Turambar

11-04-2003, 02:22 AM

These pics are absolutely incredible...

Frodo lying on the slopes of Mt. Doom is my personal fav, but of course Frodo is my favorite character and that's such an emotional part of the story--his last gasp effort up Mt. Doom--that any picture will be amazing.

Sam holding Sting... making up his mind to carry on with the quest without Frodo? Or getting ready to trim his foot hair?

:)

The Moose

11-04-2003, 02:49 AM

damn awesome pics there.

Smeagol

11-04-2003, 04:06 AM

The shot in the trailer when Sam yells "Nooooo!" is probably just before Gollum hits him in the back and knocks him out cold! :D I wonder if Sam's head will bleed? :eek:

ILOVEKATIE

11-04-2003, 05:17 AM

Awesome pictures!!! Thanks!
They're all good but the ones of Frodo...wow!

PsYkOoOoO

11-04-2003, 05:51 AM

everything is so WOW-ish

scifi guy

11-04-2003, 03:00 PM

The pics just keep getting better and better.

Samwise Gamwich

11-04-2003, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Frodo
i love that pic too but i like this one as well, i think he was reaching for sting and shelob stepped on his cloak. Is that a tear on sams face? thanks elf lady
http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/rotk/misc/images/vc_008.jpg

You know this is just before Samwise kills Shelob... Looks like he is tugging on Frodo's cloak... I personally think that Samwise will kill Shelob... Not quite like the book... PJ will probably give us this kind of closure

Samwise Gamwich

11-04-2003, 05:23 PM

Unless that is his own cloak...

adt100

11-04-2003, 05:37 PM

It looks more like Shelob has stepped on Sam's cloak to me, and he's trying to pull away from her. Quite likely he'll try and reach out for Sting behind him just in time to stab her in the eyes and underbelly (he doesn't actually kill her in the book.)

ILOVEKATIE

11-04-2003, 11:36 PM

Tonight I saw The Matrix again on TBS(the superstation, lol) just to get a glimpse of the ROTK video game commercial that has some footage of the film, I finally caught it, it was so cool!!

You hear someone whispering when the film footage is shown, the person whispers, "Gandalf...." something, something, I couldn't make out the rest of it. It sounded like Pippin.
This film is going to be so HUGE!

Glordreen

11-04-2003, 11:59 PM

Yes, yes!

PsYkOoOoO

11-05-2003, 12:44 AM

matrix will look like a video game compared to ROTK...thats what a reviewer in my country said..he did a review on M3 and thought the movie was like a giant video game which you have no control over...and ROTK will blow it away...

Smeagol

11-05-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
matrix will look like a video game compared to ROTK...thats what a reviewer in my country said..he did a review on M3 and thought the movie was like a giant video game which you have no control over...and ROTK will blow it away...

The Matrix Revolutions is getting horrible reviews. :applaud:

adt100

11-05-2003, 02:37 PM

As it should! (it's pretty lame IMO).

Smeagol

11-05-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by adt100
As it should! (it's pretty lame IMO).

Although, the intensity of the media backlash against TMRev astonishes me (it is only 38% fresh at RottenTomatoes.com) it does make me worry about the kind of critical reception ROTK may get. It seems as though the Matrix franchise has, indeed, outstayed its welcome: two films in the same year didn't help, nor did Warner Bros' ludicrously intense marketing strategies of said films.

And whilst fans of any movie franchise (Matrix, LOTR, SW, HP, American Pie) will go and see 'their' movies no matter what, let's hope and pray the media don't turn on ROTK upon its release. :eek: