9/11 One Year Later...

[todd philip]

Well it has almost been one year since the horrible attacks against america! I for one will never forget that day, the shock,the fear, the sorrow.

i have been an american patriot my whole life, but when september 11 happened my patriotism came upon me, and all of america like a great wave, for america is a country was founded on the princables of freedom and justice for all!

In american you bow to no one, in america anyone can be the leader! you do not have to be born from royal freakin blood! there is no other country free'er, or greater then the united states of america!!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA :) :cool:

but anyways, i have a message for you terrorist A$$HOLES!
you can destroy america's buildings, you can destroy america's city's, BUT YOU CANT DESTROY THE AMERICAN SPIRIT!!!

I DEDICATE THIS POST TO THE OVER 3000 PEOPLE THAT DIED ON SEPTEMBER 11 2001!!!!!

now i would like to hear other peoples opions on september 11!!

and i would like people to answer this question:

were where you when you found out about the terrorist attacks??????????

[Kitty]

i was heading to school. actually, i was in my mom's van. she was going to make the turn to go to my school when i heard about it. i was shocked. then i was dropped off a couple of minutes later. i went into the library as fast as i could, and i looked inside of there. there were so many people watching the television it wasn't funny (cause this wasn't funny). i made my way through the crowd and i looked at the tv, at the twin towers. i was so shocked. and i was so extremely sad. and i remember the weather too that day. it was a dark gray, it rained the last night, and my gosh, throughout the day you would either see the teacher in each period ocassionally through the period flip to the channel on the twin towers & the pentagon, and penn too, and it was awful. i was praying the whole day too for all of those peoples (and also with the whole period class too because i'm at a private school). it was a sad day indeed for me, and for everyone else.

[rObix]

i dunno. maybe it's me...but i think this post couldve waited two weeks. it would've held more value on september 11th, rather than august 24th.

[Knerys]

Originally posted by rObix
i dunno. maybe it's me...but i think this post couldve waited two weeks. it would've held more value on september 11th, rather than august 24th.

It's not just you.

[rObix]

Originally posted by Knerys


It's not just you. im glad. i didnt want to seem like an insensitiv ******* about it, or anything. it effected me deeply, in reality. so....yeah....im not gonna ramble anymore.

[Knerys]

Originally posted by rObix
im glad. i didnt want to seem like an insensitiv ******* about it, or anything. it effected me deeply, in reality. so....yeah....im not gonna ramble anymore.

And that's completely understandable.

[todd philip]

i think this thread should be open much longer then just one day!!!!!!!!!

this event changed the entire world!!!!!!!

that is why i am making this two weeks early!!!!!!

:mad: :o

[todd philip]

i woke up at 12:15 p.m, it was my day off, i got dressed, walked downstairs, my mom was sitting infront of the t.v and talking on the phone at the same time!

i heard her saying something like " how horrible, this is so disgusting" i took a quik peek at the t.v, i thought something happened in the middle east. but then she hung up the phone, and in one long breath she told me EVERYTHING that had happened. now we live only an hour away from new york city! and my grandma lives only twenty miles from washington!

i was in shock! she pushed me over to the t.v, the news channel kept showing the planes hitting the buildings, and them falling down.

for a while i thought we where witnessing the FALL OF THE UNITED STATES. i will never forget!

[bbf2]

It's a little early, dude.

[Iben]

yeah...it would have more meaning if it was on the day or at least a little closer to it.

[Kyle Katarn]

What gives? It's early, yeah, but 2 weeks isn't much.....

Anyway...I was grabbing a snack before Bio, right when the 1st plane hit...I thought it was just a crash caused by mechanical failure or something, so I'm thinking "man, that's terrible." So I go to class, and no one there knows any different. An hour and a half later, there is standing room only in the cafeteria/lounge, as the reality of what happened sank in...

The bad part was going to my philosophy class afterwards..evryone was in a daze, and our poor instructor had gone off the deep end! She was like "I can't focus to teach, the world is about to end! World War III! Go be with your loved ones!!!!"

Me and a classmate (the un-attainable "girl of my dreams" some of you know about, btw) went to the cafeteria and watched the news some more...we contacted our familes...I tried to reassure her about her dad, who was off up north for a job (he was fine).

I go home (a 45-minute dribe!), and get this....I get called back in to go to work 5 minutes later! :mad: So I go back to town, and at work we have a radio hooked up listening to the news. When the President made his address to the nation, the pharmacist, assistant manager, photo lab tech, and myself - the only ones in the store - watched on a TV we "borrowed" from the stockroom and hooked up for that purpose.

Driving home, I watched the sky a lot......as I did for a while afterwards.....

I can't remember showing much emotion that day...I FELT greif, confusion, anger....but I don't think I actaully broke down and cried until a few days later, as it sank in just how badly we had been hurt....

[The Insider]

Originally posted by todd philip
i thought something happened in the middle east, so i didnt care that much.

How considerate of you :rolleyes:

Even though I don´t live in the U.S., 9/11 had a profound impact on me also (as it probably had on a lot of non-Americans throughout the world).
I came home from school late. I walked in the door, and my mother came immediately and - almost shouting - said to me: "Have you heard what has happened?" . I simply replied "No". I didn´t know what the hell she was talking about.
"A plane has crashed into the World Trade Center", she said.
My first thought was - similarly to what Kyle thought at first - that a small plane (I visited the U.S. in the summer of 1999, where I spend about 2 weeks in New York. I spend almost a whole day at the World Trade Center, and even got a chance to stand on the top of the roof. I remember being on one of the top floors, and seeing planes fly by just next to the skyscraper, so that´s why I thought a small plane had flown into the building by accident) had accidently crashed into one of the buildings.
Then I approached the TV, and witnessed the horror. I remember seeing the two towers "falling" down, all the while thinking about the time I visited the place... how I had admired the beautiful structures... and the fact that - at the top of the building - I found a small signature by a guy who had worked on the original construction of the building back in the 70s, which I took a picture of (I still have the picture somewhere, actually).
The day after I was so frickin´ annoyed that the teachers at school seemed to had forgotten almost all about it. My math teacher asked me to do something on the blackboard, and I almost caught myself shouting "what the hell do you want from me? how can you be so inconsiderate, you idiot!?!?! how can you expect us to work now? how can you be so cold?"
Of course, I found out that everybody was just trying to move on... and nobody had just forgotten about it or attempted to just forget about it.

[slinger]

I find this topic early, but hey what can you do now. In today's paper there was article that was actually very interesting. Here is just a brief summary:

10 twisted and burned steel girders of the WTC ruins have been brought to the International Peace Gardens here in Manitoba. Located in southwestern Manitoba near the U.S./Canada border they were sent here by CN Rail and Kleysen Transport. The province signed several agreegments with Ground Zero authorities to obtain them. A competition will be held for design students in Manitoba and North Dakota to determine the final appearence of the permanent monument. On Sept.11 one of many memorials will take place at the Peace Gardens. Manitoba was the only province in Canada to obtain any remains.

[Elizabeth]

When everything started happening, I was half-asleep in Algebra. When we had break, I walked down to the cafeteria with Kyle and I was thinking that it wasn't too big a deal. An hour and a half later when I got out of class, I found out what had happened. I was thinking that now there was a reason that the song "God Save the People" from Godspell wouldn't get out of my head, which seemed to be very appropriate for the horrors that were going on while I was trying to get out of Algebra. My Biology class went on like normal but my Religion in America class was cancelled.

[Knerys]

I was at the Air Force Academy for a follow up appointment when a staff sergent walked in and tolds us that a plane had crashed into the Twin Towers. We all thought it was a small passenger plane. Then ten minutes he came back and told us that one had just went into the Pentagon. The whole base went into lock down. I have never seen so many MP's in my life. When I finally got home I walked in just in time to see the second tower fall. :(

[JBond]

I was walking into Micro Economics and I heard someone infront of me talking about "the pentagon too" I didn't really catch on. Then the teacher came out and said 4 planes were hi-jacked and were crashed into the World Trade Center and that one of the buildings had collapsed. I found out the rest on the radio outside of the building.

My mom heard a different story, she heard a plane hit the white house, didn't find out that was false til later.

[tyler_durden]

Originally posted by todd philip
i think this thread should be open much longer then just one day!!!!!!!!!

this event changed the entire world!!!!!!!

that is why i am making this two weeks early!!!!!!

:mad: :o

It didn't need to be up for 9-11 and only that day. If you would have started it on 9-11 people could have posted on that day and people could have posted their reactions on that day and the following days. So chill out. I too feel that this was just too early.

As for where I was. I work at a TV station, and I hadn't turned the TV on that morning as I was getting ready. But when I got to work, I stopped in the control booth to say hi to the guys, as was usual. They were all sitting very quietly and watching. I asked what was going on but nobody could quite find the words to explain it at the time, they just said something about a plane crashing. So I went downstairs thinking that it wasn't that big of a deal. I left all my stuff at my desk and went to get something to drink. I never made it as far as the candy machines, because I passed a TV on the way there and saw what was truely happening. I got to the TV just as the first tower collapsed. I was there for the next hour and a half. Then I came back to my senses and was called to duty. I had to help shoot news footage, so I kind of ran around all day numb and not thinking about it til I got home. Then I went nuts for the rest of the evening.....

[Fletcher]

Originally posted by todd philip
i took a quik peek at the t.v, i thought something happened in the middle east, so i didnt care that much.

And people wonder why 9/11 shocked so many Americans... It brought home that war was something that really affects them.

Someone (I think it was Oscar Wilde) once said patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. I tend to agree as it only furthers the hatred and seperation of different cultures. I was very sad, as I saw the events unfold, not only for the dead, but for the other deaths I was sure that would follow.

I mourn the dead, in any war, and on any side, because war is trully evil and any country going to war commits evil.

The world will never be at peace when there is ignorance, inequality and greed. Unfortunately, these are all base human traits. I pray for those lost in wars of terrorism, and for greater world understanding between peoples.

[kryptonian_boy]

I'll gather my thoughts and post my memories of 9/11 someontime between today and the 1st anniversary.
In the meantime, are there any CS posters that were directly affected by someone who was at the WTC or Pentagon sites, or do you know someone who was affected (either you, or they, had friends or family that were there that day)? If so, maybe someone could share that with us.

[Empusae]

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and his orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations." Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865.


I will post where and what i was doing on the day. . .

[todd philip]

i dont know about you but i am really afriad that there will be copycat terrorist attacks this september 11 !!!!!!!!!!!

what do you think!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

[todd philip]

well.............................................. ................................................

[JBond]

Originally posted by todd philip
i dont know about you but i am really afriad that there will be copycat terrorist attacks this september 11 !!!!!!!!!!!

what do you think!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

I've thought about this before, and it really doesnt make sense that there would be.

[Elizabeth]

I've wondered about that myself. I don't really think there will be, because I'm sure that security everywhere will be really beefed up just in case anybody got any ideas.

[Fletcher]

Originally posted by todd philip
i dont know about you but i am really afriad that there will be copycat terrorist attacks this september 11 !!!!!!!!!!!

I really hope not. <br><br>Hey, let's go bomb the hell out of Iraq :rolleyes:

[Empusae]

Originally posted by Fletcher
Hey, let's go bomb the hell out of Iraq :rolleyes:

I hope that wasn't serious.

[Kyle Katarn]

I doubt it was...I suppose the " :rolleyes: " is for the expression eveyone is wearing now that we are trying to pick a fight with Saddam, before we are truly finished with Osama & co....

As for other attacks on Sep. 11.....I imagine some @#**ed-up rumors are/will be circulating....they MUST be, because even our sleepy little town is having them...ehhh.

[todd philip]

well it looks like bush will be going to war with iraq!!! :(

i heard that they may bring back the draft!!!:eek: :confused:

[bbf2]

Originally posted by todd philip
well it looks like bush will be going to war with iraq!!! :(

i heard that they may bring back the draft!!!:eek: :confused:

Wow. Now that I think about it, you're right. This is a war that the American people do NOT want to fight (as opposed to the war with Osama where I'm sure we could find plenty volunteers) and thus some would be forced to...

I hope that if this war DOES happen, it happens before I become legal drafting age! I don't want to have to move to Canada!

[Hank Scorpio]

I highly doubt I would make it through basic training if I were to be drafted.

[Kitty]

i hate f***in wars! why do we all have to be so f***ed up? i mean *sigh*, i wish that all of this s*** wouldn't have happened....:(

[todd philip]

we ALL agree kitty!!! we all agree!!!

DAMN THOSE TERRORIST A$$HOLES FOR STARTING THIS!!!

[Halofan1]

Originally posted by todd philip
well it looks like bush will be going to war with iraq!!! :(

i heard that they may bring back the draft!!!:eek: :confused:

If the draft comes back, and I am drafted, I'm going to pull a John Anderton and RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

[The Insider]

Originally posted by todd philip
i dont know about you but i am really afriad that there will be copycat terrorist attacks this september 11 !!!!!!!!!!!

what do you think!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

Actually, 2 terrorists were arrested a couple of days ago in Germany. Their apparment was filled with explosives, and it is believed that this was intented to be used on 9/11 this year.

[Knerys]

I don't that hey would bring back the draft just yet. With the way wars are tody, we can almost execute any military offensive with out even setting foot on the ground. I just don't want to see the men that do go there to fight step all over because they are simple doing what is expected of them.

[The Mighty]

i was on the way back 2 skool when it happened. my friend gt a call from his mom on his mob tellign him 2 turn the radio on or 2 look at a tv, and some1 had a mini tv. he turned it on and about 20 people suronded him. we watched, in shock for the rest of the trip home...

[Madness]

Hey, you know what'd be crazy??? If this year on Sept 11th, the States bombed the hell out of Iraq?!?! It'd be like, "Spet 11th II: 'The Reckoning'!!!"

The movie potentials would be phenomenal!! We're talking sequels, there's revenge you could throw a romance story in there somewhere!! It'd be great!! I'll call Bruckheimer, you guys argue about who'd be a better Osama; Tony Shalhoub, F Murray Abraham, or Ben Affleck!!!........

[slinger]

Originally posted by The Insider
Actually, 2 terrorists were arrested a couple of days ago in Germany. Their apparment was filled with explosives, and it is believed that this was intented to be used on 9/11 this year.

Yeah that suprised (well it didn't and it did) me to read that on yesteryday's front page. A young couple too. Turkish and American. Last year my history teacher talked about perhaps an attack on the anniversary of Pearl Harbor. That never happened. There could be attacks but it would proably be an embasssy in another country.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by The Insider
Actually, 2 terrorists were arrested a couple of days ago in Germany. Their apparment was filled with explosives, and it is believed that this was intented to be used on 9/11 this year. Actually, this little news item really bothered me. For a couple of reasons actually. I used to live in Heidelberg, GE back in my Army days. As a matter of fact, I lived right across the street from Campbell Barracks, and the Headquarters of the US Army Europe. I know a lot of people there....it was my home for two years. I shopped at the PX where the female worked. It also reminds me of one of my last duties when I was stationed over there. I was on guard duty. There had been threats against American soliders, and Americans in general in the region, so I was tasked out to guard several important buildings on the installation. Of course, these threats were made by Osama Bin Laden himself. This was back in 1998. Noone really took it seriously. Hell, I didn't even have ammo in my rifle. Me being on guard was just a visual front. It was obvious that those in charge didn't even take the threats that damn seriously. 1998....what if we had done something about it then instead of waiting until now? And what if there had actually been a bomb where I was guarding? What was I supposed to do to the terrorist? Scare him with my empty rifle? It was ****ing rediculous.

[kryptonian_boy]

For those who say that to attack Iraq to force a regime change is a completely bad idea, let me make a point. When we went into this "War On Terror", the understanding was that we're in a war unlike any we (or anyone else, really) has fought any time in the past. We aren't fighting a particular despot or dictator. This spreads much further, through many terrorist groups and the countries that support, harbor, and train them.
It was stated from the start that Afghanistan wasn't the only country that we would need to get involved with. And in case you have forgotten, Afghanistan was urged to give up Bin Laden and members of Al-Quieda, and an attack could have been prevented.
As for Iraq, well, I don't give a damn what France's or Germany's leaders have to say. France gives up at the drop of a hat, and Germany has done business with Saddam. Screw them.
Saddam has thumbed his nose at the U.N. for years, has continued to build weapons of mass destruction, gassed and otherwise killed tens of thousands of his own people, invaded other countries, and has affiliated with terrorists. You can't reason with a guy like that. I hate to have us go to Iraq, but I believe it's necessary. Nobody's said that the war on terror has been won yet. We're in the midst of it, and I say we have to do what we have to do, regardless of naysayers. To them, all I can say is "Back us as our allies, or get the hell out of our way! We have a job to do!".
Pardon my language. By the way, I don't state any of this lightly. I can't enlist in the U.S. Armed Forces due to my age and health problems, but I would go if I was called. And I have 2 nephews in the Air Force, one a military policeman, one in basic training right now, who'll train to be a fireman. I'm proud of them as I can be, and the soldiers in all of the armed forces know they may face a life-or-death situation.

[howard-the-duck]

ay mates this was a horrible thing that happened, but dont worry, these terroist arseholes are burning in hells fire. in the end those that fight for justice and freedom will win!

GOD BLESS YOU ALL!:) ;)

[todd philip]

so is anyone going to do anything special for 9-11 ???

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by todd philip
so is anyone going to do anything special for 9-11 ??? I'm working. Nothing special...just working.

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Madness
Hey, you know what'd be crazy??? If this year on Sept 11th, the States bombed the hell out of Iraq?!?! It'd be like, "Spet 11th II: 'The Reckoning'!!!"

The movie potentials would be phenomenal!! We're talking sequels, there's revenge you could throw a romance story in there somewhere!! It'd be great!! I'll call Bruckheimer, you guys argue about who'd be a better Osama; Tony Shalhoub, F Murray Abraham, or Ben Affleck!!!........
*i put my hands on madness' mouth*
shutup! u want hollywood to hear this!?!

[TyRoss]

I think that the best thing for sept 11th this year would be for everyone to just live their normal lives. To return to the normal everyday routine so flawlessly that the terrorists wanted to interupt. To show that in the end run life goes on and you can't beat it down.

[todd philip]

are none you going at least a candle or have a moment of silence or anything!!! :rolleyes:

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by todd philip
are none you going at least a candle or have a moment of silence or anything!!! :rolleyes: I don't light candles, I have moments of silence. That doesn't mean I don't care about what happened on that day a year ago..but Ty is right. The best way to spend the day is by going about your life just like you would every other day. The point of the terror attacks was to disrupt our way of life....to disrupt our daily routines....to send our lives into disaray. If you don't go about your daily life..do what you have to do, conduct business as usual, than for one day a year, you've shown the terrorists that they've accomplished their goals. Yes, it was a horrible thing that happened. No, I doubt that I, or any of you will forget what happend. But, we must move on. Dwelling on it will show the terrorists that their tactics can work....and that will be our downfall.

[Godzilla]

http://sensoryresearch.com/~phineas/Images/wtc/wtc-guy/WTCguy-godzilla.jpg

[Kyle Katarn]

*applauds Frizzo*

Nothing wrong with honoring the dead - but to dwell on it, and live your life in fear, sorrow, or anger - or all 3 - is to lose to those that planned tie attacks.

[Madness]

Originally posted by Kitty
*i put my hands on madness' mouth*
shutup! u want hollywood to hear this!?! Hey, if I get credit, sure!!!

You know what'd be really cool?? Like, if we had one this year and then again NEXt Sept 11, cause then that opens up the trilogy potential, and then you can have a box set, you know, the marketing we have to be just right, we could have a promotional stunt where some stuntman flies into a building, just to commemorate the celebrations, there'd be appetizers, drinks, you know, a good time!! It'd be awesome!!

Oh man!! I cant wait for tommorow!! I'm gonna bust out the popcorn, turn up the volume on the news and just eagerly await this years groundbreaking news story!! It's been a whole year!! The public demands more entertainment!! WOOOOO, mass destruction.........

[TyRoss]

Originally posted by Madness
Hey, if I get credit, sure!!!

You know what'd be really cool?? Like, if we had one this year and then again NEXt Sept 11, cause then that opens up the trilogy potential, and then you can have a box set, you know, the marketing we have to be just right, we could have a promotional stunt where some stuntman flies into a building, just to commemorate the celebrations, there'd be appetizers, drinks, you know, a good time!! It'd be awesome!!

Oh man!! I cant wait for tommorow!! I'm gonna bust out the popcorn, turn up the volume on the news and just eagerly await this years groundbreaking news story!! It's been a whole year!! The public demands more entertainment!! WOOOOO, mass destruction.........

The scary part is that while he's saying it with his usual irreverance he's making a very good point about the media today and the masses as well.

[todd philip]

Originally posted by Godzilla
http://sensoryresearch.com/~phineas/Images/wtc/wtc-guy/WTCguy-godzilla.jpg

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS!!!

jezz i never thought that this would turn into a comedy thread:( :rolleyes: :mad:

[TyRoss]

funny most of us just ignored it

[howard-the-duck]

Originally posted by Madness
Hey, if I get credit, sure!!!

You know what'd be really cool?? Like, if we had one this year and then again NEXt Sept 11, cause then that opens up the trilogy potential, and then you can have a box set, you know, the marketing we have to be just right, we could have a promotional stunt where some stuntman flies into a building, just to commemorate the celebrations, there'd be appetizers, drinks, you know, a good time!! It'd be awesome!!

Oh man!! I cant wait for tommorow!! I'm gonna bust out the popcorn, turn up the volume on the news and just eagerly await this years groundbreaking news story!! It's been a whole year!! The public demands more entertainment!! WOOOOO, mass destruction.........

Mr. madness you are very twisted, why would you say such a thing :mad: :o

[todd philip]

welp howard i hope he was only jokeing, even though this really isnt something I would joke about!

[Madness]

Originally posted by howard-the-duck
Mr. madness you are very twisted, why would you say such a thing :mad: :o Hey, business is business. I mean, sure it's tragic and blah blah blah, but think of the numbers!!! And if it's a huge success then it will be, like, an honour to all those that passed away in this horrible event. But the world can't stop just because of a tragic event! If that were the case we'd never get going again, tragic sh1t happens everyday, just not to Americans, so you guys can go on with your blissfully ignorant existence beneath the blanket of lies and deception, while the world goes to hell all around you............

[Malice]

Originally posted by todd philip
so is anyone going to do anything special for 9-11 ???

I am not turning my TV on all day...
If the world burns, I will find out about it on the net...

All that will be on the TV will be little "celebrations of our beloved dead" memorials and things. Something that I think is going to far, why not celebration the 323rd day anniversary of Sept 11th?

*shrug*

I hate that they bring this whole thing center stage again, it just fuels more of a fire under the Terrorists who wish to do us harm because they DO see that they affected us.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by Malice
I am not turning my TV on all day...
If the world burns, I will find out about it on the net...

All that will be on the TV will be little "celebrations of our beloved dead" memorials and things. Something that I think is going to far, why not celebration the 323rd day anniversary of Sept 11th?

*shrug*

I hate that they bring this whole thing center stage again, it just fuels more of a fire under the Terrorists who wish to do us harm because they DO see that they affected us. Yeah, I feel the same way. I was listening to the radio earlier, and some guy called in because he just wanted to thank all the men and women that were serving and protecting us..... Nothing wrong with that really...but isn't it kind of sad that it took something like this before our Polive, Firefighters, Paramedics, Military and the like actually got a simple thank you by most of the masses? They're doing the exact same job they've done everyday. They risk they're lives everyday. I just think its sad that before this, so many people took them for granted. Seriously, before this, how many people you know publicly thanked all those people seriving to protect them?

[Madness]

Originally posted by Frizzo the Clown
Seriously, before this, how many people you know publicly thanked all those people seriving to protect them? Blissfully cushioned beneath a blanket of ignorance...............

[Empusae]

Originally posted by Madness
Blissfully cushioned beneath a blanket of ignorance...............

Not ignorance. . . Indifference.

[kryptonian_boy]

I know the media has taken the 9/11 coverage to an extreme level, but it's not unhealthy to remember. It's better to go on with our lives than to let this overwhelm our lives, but grieving is part of our lives. I wouldn't tell anyone living in New York, Washington, or Pennsylvania, or anyone who knew in any way victims of these horrendous crimes that they need to get on with their lives. Nor should we say that to anyone who wants to acknowledge this, for their own sake.
If what you do to spend the day is to ignore all coverage of the anniversary, that's up to you. Likewise, we shouldn't tell anyone that wants to watch news coverage and grieve that it's better to not do that. Everyone has to deal with it in their own way.
I'll watch some of the tv coverage, in measured amounts. I'm finding myself moved in a surprising amount by stories of the bravery and selflessness of many people (not just police and firefighters, but also ordinary folks). It's just good to know in what can be a hard world that, when the chips are down, people can, and do, sacrifice themselves for the benefit of others. It gives me a refreshed perspective on alot of humanity.

[pixiness]

I think that is one of the most healthy reactions to today that I've heard yet this month.

[Empusae]

Something i heard on the news. . . I think.

A woman who's husband was killed isn't going to pay any attention to today. Its tomorrow she is looking forward to. She said its like this past year as been 9-11 and she is looking forward to living 9-12.


Today is a day to let people, should they want it, heal a bit. Its really like a funeral for the country. A time for people to come together and say how great people and things were.

Its a step in moving on.



I just wish there was a wake afterwords.

[todd philip]

Originally posted by kryptonian_boy
I know the media has taken the 9/11 coverage to an extreme level, but it's not unhealthy to remember. It's better to go on with our lives than to let this overwhelm our lives, but grieving is part of our lives. I wouldn't tell anyone living in New York, Washington, or Pennsylvania, or anyone who knew in any way victims of these horrendous crimes that they need to get on with their lives. Nor should we say that to anyone who wants to acknowledge this, for their own sake.
If what you do to spend the day is to ignore all coverage of the anniversary, that's up to you. Likewise, we shouldn't tell anyone that wants to watch news coverage and grieve that it's better to not do that. Everyone has to deal with it in their own way.
I'll watch some of the tv coverage, in measured amounts. I'm finding myself moved in a surprising amount by stories of the bravery and selflessness of many people (not just police and firefighters, but also ordinary folks). It's just good to know in what can be a hard world that, when the chips are down, people can, and do, sacrifice themselves for the benefit of others. It gives me a refreshed perspective on alot of humanity.

VERY WELL SEAD!!!

[Empusae]

Originally posted by kryptonian_boy
I know the media has taken the 9/11 coverage to an extreme level, but it's not unhealthy to remember. It's better to go on with our lives than to let this overwhelm our lives, but grieving is part of our lives. I wouldn't tell anyone living in New York, Washington, or Pennsylvania, or anyone who knew in any way victims of these horrendous crimes that they need to get on with their lives. Nor should we say that to anyone who wants to acknowledge this, for their own sake.
If what you do to spend the day is to ignore all coverage of the anniversary, that's up to you. Likewise, we shouldn't tell anyone that wants to watch news coverage and grieve that it's better to not do that. Everyone has to deal with it in their own way.
I'll watch some of the tv coverage, in measured amounts. I'm finding myself moved in a surprising amount by stories of the bravery and selflessness of many people (not just police and firefighters, but also ordinary folks). It's just good to know in what can be a hard world that, when the chips are down, people can, and do, sacrifice themselves for the benefit of others. It gives me a refreshed perspective on alot of humanity. http://topwebcomics.com/forums/images/smilies/35.gif http://topwebcomics.com/forums/images/smilies/35.gif http://topwebcomics.com/forums/images/smilies/35.gif http://topwebcomics.com/forums/images/smilies/35.gif http://topwebcomics.com/forums/images/smilies/35.gif http://topwebcomics.com/forums/images/smilies/35.gif http://topwebcomics.com/forums/images/smilies/35.gif http://topwebcomics.com/forums/images/smilies/35.gif http://topwebcomics.com/forums/images/smilies/35.gif

[tyler_durden]

Originally posted by Malice
I am not turning my TV on all day...
If the world burns, I will find out about it on the net...

All that will be on the TV will be little "celebrations of our beloved dead" memorials and things. Something that I think is going to far, why not celebration the 323rd day anniversary of Sept 11th?

*shrug*

I hate that they bring this whole thing center stage again, it just fuels more of a fire under the Terrorists who wish to do us harm because they DO see that they affected us.

It is pretty ridiculous that it has taken over all of the programing for today. I can understand running a story on newscasts, or even having a special program to commemorate it. But we don't need 24 hour coverage of the 1 year anniversary. That is just taking things too far.

[Madness]

Originally posted by tyler_durden
I can understand running a story on newscasts, or even having a special program to commemorate it. But we don't need 24 hour coverage of the 1 year anniversary. That is just taking things too far. It's sensationalism, pure and simple. News stations thrive on days like this. They blow it atta proportion, agitate peoples insecurities telling us, "Oh, there's a very likely chance they'll be an attack tommorow!! We've been getting alot of chatter!!" People tune into their boob tubes watching the news like vultures, they talk about all this political nonsense, all for ratings.
Then people say I'm sick.........

[slinger]

Originally posted by Madness

Then people say I'm sick.........

You are.

But you are right.

[Knerys]

I saw some on the tv at lunch and my friend and I discussed it a bit. It's important to remember but not to dwell. Unfornately the media will eat this up, it's what they do. I'm simply goin gto say a prayer for those poeple and move on.

We had a vigil last night to reflect, and they did it last night so that today we could continue to live as we have and not let ourselves dwell on the past. It was a moment of remebrance and fellowship and it was perfect. Not too long, and not to meloncholy, just a simple act of reconcilation.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by Madness
It's sensationalism, pure and simple. News stations thrive on days like this. They blow it atta proportion, agitate peoples insecurities telling us, "Oh, there's a very likely chance they'll be an attack tommorow!! We've been getting alot of chatter!!" People tune into their boob tubes watching the news like vultures, they talk about all this political nonsense, all for ratings.
Then people say I'm sick......... I don't do this often..but I agree with Madness.;)

[slinger]

I just finished watching 9/11 on CBS. I didn't want to watch anything related but I wanted to see it when it originally ran and thought well I'll watch this and hopefully that will be it. I don't want to see anything like that again. It wasn't terrible, it was just a excellent documentation. I also watched some Factor on FNC, and they did an alright job not showing the images but just talking to people how they are now and what happened then.

[Madness]

Originally posted by Frizzo the Clown
I don't do this often..but I agree with Madness.;) AHA!!! That's it, I'm recording this for prosperity!! Atta my way people, there's history in the making ;).................

[tyler_durden]

Originally posted by Knerys
I saw some on the tv at lunch and my friend and I discussed it a bit. It's important to remember but not to dwell. Unfornately the media will eat this up, it's what they do. I'm simply goin gto say a prayer for those poeple and move on.

We had a vigil last night to reflect, and they did it last night so that today we could continue to live as we have and not let ourselves dwell on the past. It was a moment of remebrance and fellowship and it was perfect. Not too long, and not to meloncholy, just a simple act of reconcilation.

That is pretty much what I did as well. I watched a little bit of the footage, but there was no way that I was going to sit down and watch everything that they put on. Madness is right, it is pure sensationalism. One of the things that I was watching was people reliving it. It wasn't one or two people, but at least ten. You could tell that they were trying really hard to find people who hadn't really talked about it before. It just felt wrong.

There is one thing that still really upsets me and pretty much makes me break down in tears, though. The phone calls of the loved ones saying goodbye. I just can't handle listening to those, they are just too sad for me to handle.

[Madness]

Originally posted by tyler_durden
There is one thing that still really upsets me and pretty much makes me break down in tears, though. The phone calls of the loved ones saying goodbye. The sh1t that bothers me is the footage of those people plummeting to their deaths, falling out the world trade. Yah, those images are just fu&ked......

[todd philip]

jezz its now almost been two years!

time does flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy,

OH AND IF ANY MOD COULD CHANGE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD TO

9/11 TWO YEARS LATER, THAT would be great!

i am replying to this old thread cause i am sure someone will make a september 11 thread this or next week, no need to have more then one thread for this!

;)

[Snake Spirit]

Originally posted by todd philip
we ALL agree kitty!!! we all agree!!!

DAMN THOSE TERRORIST A$$HOLES FOR STARTING THIS!!!

Yeah, and if they want to meet Allah so bad, well then let's help them. You think I care that 3 or 4,000 dead Taliban are laying rotting in the caves of Afghanistan?

THEY ASKED FOR IT. 9-11 was the last straw.

This should be a lesson to everyone, before they begin speculating on politics and the part foreign policy played in 9-11, that these people care for noone but their own twisted ideals and those who support them..These misguided *******s took out both buildings, regardless of the fact that peoples from their own countries were inside, that had nothing to do with the world at large.

What does that tell you about them?

And before anyone here or abroad start chiming
in and waxing poetic about innocent Palestinians and repression by Israel, I'll remind you that 3,000 people on 9-11 were innocent civilians too, and in the case of any Americans here like myself, they were our countrymen.

It's time people stopped allowing extremists to hold the world by the balls, and it's time we fought back. I know we have religious freedom in America, but you know what folks? Holy War MY ASS.......they went too far on 9-11.

The people we're dealing with have no respect for life, and as such, deserve none themselves-if this is the only language they understand, then class is in session. It's not a crime to defend your country or your people, and if we have to duke it out, then fine.

There can only be one winner, and the last time I looked, Old Glory was still flying, and with God's help, and the help of every American, it will continue.

Before I end this,
let's stop and have a moment of silence for the military personnell who gave their lives to help keep America free during this time, as well as all our past heroes who kept us free during the last 2 World Wars. And last but not least, the 3,000 innocents of 9-11.

Justice WILL be served, cold and unswerving, just like it should be.....

[Snake Spirit]

Btw-I 'd remind us all that not ALL Middle Easterners were at fault. There is good and bad in everyone. That's how it goes.

Terrorists shouldn't speak for the Middle East at large, but sadly it seems that's how it's gone because of unchecked and unchallenged beliefs. Sad, really. :(

[tedward]

I think you need some perspective snake spirit.

[tedward]

hey you got some.

[Snake Spirit]

Originally posted by tedward
hey you got some.

Darn straight Tedward. I never really told anyone before, but I personally saw the wrecks of both WTC buildings a month after the attacks, and there was still quite a sizeable amount of rubble to see across the Hudson on the Jersey side. (My friends and I were headed toward the Chiller Theatre convention in Jersey City.)

That day polarized me for the rest of my life. I know I can't say that I saw the same thing as the people who were at Ground Zero up close and personal, but seeing that wreckage, and knowing I was looking at the first major attack by a foreign enemy, really woke me up.

As far as perspective,
it can easily be taken from you in a minute
of anger or from a personally traumatic experience.

People have to understand, that be it the man who thinks all of a certain race are bad because he was stabbed and robbed by someone of that race, or the war veteran who sees all of the people he fought as the enemy, people have to understand that experience changes people, and sometimes not for the better.

Sometimes if the damage done to their mind is bad enough, that damage cannot be reversed. It dosen't make that person evil or bad, it's just that the human heart, mind, and soul snap at a different level or each person.

But there are those out there who don't care
what happens to others because it wasn't their experience. Those are the real losers.....

[HeadHunter]

i was loking at this thread and i thought 1 year...you yanks have gone bezerk but then i realised that thread was 1 year old too

[tedward]

Originally posted by Snake Spirit
People have to understand that experience changes people, and sometimes not for the better. ...

...But there are those out there who don't care
what happens to others because it wasn't their experience. Those are the real losers..... ]

I think it would be interesting if people would use this thread to say 2 years on after those attacks if anything in there lives has changed.

For me - I dont believe anythings changed to be honest.

[JAE]

I think a lot has changed, but more mentally than anything. I feel that people are more afraid and uncertain of the long term future. At this point Americans realize that we are vulnerable.

[tedward]

Are you afraid though?

[Fanible]

Well we still certainly get warnings every once in awhile. Probably so that IF terrorists are planning to attack that certain day, they wont. Thats the only real reason we keep hearing possible terrorist attacks.

[JAE]

Originally posted by tedward
Are you afraid though?

Sure, if you watch American news for more than 20 minutes, you think the world is crumbling around you. Its not that I'm scared to the point where I don't leave my house, or got to work or socialize, but I fear for the youth of this nation.....it doesn't look good. One bombing in a mall or a school here and you can kiss the economy goodbye. Once that happens, I'm scared to see how people would react.

[LadyFireFly]

Sadly, anyone who thinks we are totally safe from another 9/11 attack is being naive. I have heard people say that nothing will ever happen again in the US like that. And while I sure hope they are right, I think we could still be struck. It's a scary world we live in these days.

[Knerys]

But we don't see this every day like other parts of the world. We aren't used to it. I can't say that I not scared...but I'm not paranoid either. It simply the dymanic of the world now. We have been very sheltered for a long time...now we are seeing how the other side has to live...But I'm not going to hide, there's no point in that.

I don't like the Media coverage though, all they do in sensalize. And there are people otu there like to thinkit is the end of the world. But hey it's ratings.... :rolleyes:

[todd philip]

HAY

SOMEBODY CHANGE THE NAME TO

TWO YEARS LATER!

[LadyFireFly]

Knerys, in no way do I think people should live in fear or paranoia. But I do think people have to acknowledge that we are not the invincible country we thought we were.

[JBond]

Eye for an eye leaves us all blind. :rolleyes:

[Illchill]

I remember there was countless people running into churches and saying God bless America every 3 seconds, but not anymore:confused:

[JBond]

It was only a matter of time before everyone stopped caring.

[LadyFireFly]

I went to NY a few months after 9/11, and people were a lot more friendly and caring towards eachother directly after the attacks. Then I saw on the streets that someone was running and knocked blatently into someone, and kept running, didn't apologize or check if they were okay. And the person hit said "Looks like it's back to business as usual around here." That comment always stayed with me.

[JBond]

It was only propraganda which kept us together by having us hate other countries and secluding ourselves from them.

[Iben]

Originally posted by JBond
It was only propraganda which kept us together by having us hate other countries and secluding ourselves from them. nothing brings people together like joining forces in hating others.

[todd philip]

WELL SAID JBOND

WELL SAID IBEN


All wars do is cause MORE problems! they NEVER solve anything!

The only way to beat evil, is LOVE!

[Snake Spirit]

Jibbs and Iben have good points about 'an eye for an eye leaving us both blind' and all, but terrorists have to wake up and realize that they can't go around acting like this w\o consequences. Are we supposed to allow other 9-11's because Abdul has a bug in his turban?

We're supposed to just sit back and leave these people to kill whoever, whereever, indiscriminately? If we don't fight them now we'll be fighting them later, and on a much broader scale, and theymayactually win because of their unchecked power and the way the could blackmail us with it.

This **** is like the Middle Eastern version of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton saying that 500 year of slavery gives 'the poor young black kid' the right to sell drugs or vandalize white property because of his 'black rage.'

And yes I fear for America's youth today, not because of what would happen if the economy collapsed and little Johnny couldn't buy his $200 pair of tech pants at Old Navy, but for the message terrorism and protest is sending them-we're giving them the message that it's OK to support destruction of human life and property if they disagree with someone.

It's not enough to protest, people have to destroy,
this in part responsible because of the whatever attitude and self serving mores that the baby boomers of the 60's are giving to their kids, and the fact that noone just plain has any respect anymore.

Foreign policy and domestic change are only a small part of it-the inability of the nations, as well as the inner ability of Americans, to work together, is what's really killing us...

[slinger]

Originally posted by JBond
Eye for an eye leaves us all blind. :rolleyes:

No it leaves you one eye.

Seriously, I do know that London is on it's highest terror alert since 9/11 so the next big attack may not be on American soil. Another item that seems to be forgotten is that not all of those who sadly died were American.

[todd philip]

Originally posted by slinger
No it leaves you one eye.

Seriously, I do know that London is on it's highest terror alert since 9/11 so the next big attack may not be on American soil. Another item that seems to be forgotten is that not all of those who sadly died were American.

thank you for mentioning that slinger,

there where people from over 60 different countrys that died on september 11

[Knerys]

Originally posted by LadyFireFly
Knerys, in no way do I think people should live in fear or paranoia. But I do think people have to acknowledge that we are not the invincible country we thought we were. I'm sorry that wasn't directed toward anyone. I guess I should have rephrased that....I just meant I going to keep living as I have, because their whole point was to make us scared. I know we are vunerable but so is everyone else. I worry yes. But at the end of the day you still do wahat you gotta do.

[LadyFireFly]

I totally know what you mean. We have to go about our everyday lives because there is no use obsessing about what could possibly go wrong. Things can fall apart on a much smaller scale for us every day, and we have to just hope they don't. Same deal. Agreed.

[Skinny]

My school had a 9/11 memorial mass at the beginning of my senior year of high school... towards the end of the mass, they played a clip on the overhead speakers called "9/11 narrated by God" it was quite emotional when they were playing that clip... i started to tear up and it was one of the few times i cried... im always gonna remember that...

[ceci-chan]

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/waffen/violent-smiley-089.gif

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Has anyone else pointed out that it has been well over a year since the 9/11 atacks?

[Skinny]

yea... i knew... my last post happened a year ago... heh heh

[todd philip]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
Has anyone else pointed out that it has been well over a year since the 9/11 atacks?

and have you noticed that this thread is a YEAR OLD next week!

[sphericthor]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
Has anyone else pointed out that it has been well over a year since the 9/11 atacks?

This thread was revived because there's no point in starting a new thread for the 2nd anniversary of the attacks

[sphericthor]

I strongly advise everyone to read all the information included on the link below

The following information has been taken from http://www.thepowerhour.com/postings-four/french-911.htm

Pentagon surveillance cctv 2001/9/11 :
here is the fraud !

Instead of "here is the fraud !", this web site's title ended first with "where are the missing frames ?". I kept to archives the old version. of the site, in which I tried to settle several hypotheses on the pentagon's crash of September 11 2001. I have now deeper analyses which show that there has been a cover-up of what happened in Washington D.C. on 9/11. This cover-up disproves the thesis of the suicide of an Arab hijacker with a Boeing 757. I must write, sadly, that it enforces a terrible hypotheses : a tricky attack planned and executed by people from inside the United States of America in order to manipulate public opinion and, finally, drive this country into a war in Asia.


http://www.thepowerhour.com/911-photos-french/pentagonxox30.jpg

How can this be possible? The damage is minimal, considering the impact the plane would have more of the building should've been destroyed. It should have nearly wiped out that whole "side" of the pentagon. It was the worlds smalled Boeing 757.

[redman]

dude, i remember seeing the security camera footage of the plane going into the pentagon, that pic is bs.

[sphericthor]

Well if you click on the link, you'll see the security camera footage along with actual photography from the scene.

[Lasgalen]

I was in an after school ary club when the welsh teacher came in and (looking really freaked out) told my art teacher to "come and see this"
I said "what was all that about?" but no one else had noticed. I saw the look on her face and I knew it was something bad so I figured I'd find out sooner rather than later, and that Id rather live in bliss for as long as possible. When we went to leave the teachers wouldnt let us watch the news on the TV, Bu the time I got home the 2nd place had hit.

Dont know whether or not I love or hate those 2 teachers for not letting us watch what was hapening.

[Snake Spirit]

Originally posted by ceci-chan
http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/waffen/violent-smiley-089.gif

Damn straight man! Noone gonna' take the U.S. flag down! Nice emticon buddy!

[JBond]

Flag's hanging and blowing the wroing way though...unless there's an updraft ;)

[Skinny]

yea... nice emticon ceci-chan... i like that... heh heh

[Longshanks]

Oh. dear. God.

The world's f**cked up, America isn't the knight in shining armour. Human beings are human beings no matter where they come from. Terrorism wasn't invented on 9/11. America has financed more than it's fair share of 'freedom fighters' (read 'terrorist' - just not aimed at the US's friends).

The star-spangled banner doesn't fill all of us with a sense of well being and patriotism.

There are other countries and belief systems out there.

Not everything you see in the media of on the silver screen is real.

[todd philip]

Interesting stuff sphericthor

[Rocketboy]

Originally posted by sphericthor
I strongly advise everyone to read all the information included on the link below

The following information has been taken from http://www.thepowerhour.com/postings-four/french-911.htm

Pentagon surveillance cctv 2001/9/11 :
here is the fraud !

Instead of "here is the fraud !", this web site's title ended first with "where are the missing frames ?". I kept to archives the old version. of the site, in which I tried to settle several hypotheses on the pentagon's crash of September 11 2001. I have now deeper analyses which show that there has been a cover-up of what happened in Washington D.C. on 9/11. This cover-up disproves the thesis of the suicide of an Arab hijacker with a Boeing 757. I must write, sadly, that it enforces a terrible hypotheses : a tricky attack planned and executed by people from inside the United States of America in order to manipulate public opinion and, finally, drive this country into a war in Asia.


http://www.thepowerhour.com/911-photos-french/pentagonxox30.jpg

How can this be possible? The damage is minimal, considering the impact the plane would have more of the building should've been destroyed. It should have nearly wiped out that whole "side" of the pentagon. It was the worlds smalled Boeing 757.
Oh man, that is quite a work of fiction!:lol:
Besides the French connection, how can I take something like this seriously with things like:
Typos
Use of the word bull****
"Since it is known that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was foreseen, and that the FBI ordered and organized JF Kennedy murder"
And no explanation of the location of the suppossed 2nd Pennsylvanian crash site.

[sphericthor]

Originally posted by Longshanks
Oh. dear. God.

The world's f**cked up, America isn't the knight in shining armour. Human beings are human beings no matter where they come from. Terrorism wasn't invented on 9/11. America has financed more than it's fair share of 'freedom fighters' (read 'terrorist' - just not aimed at the US's friends).

This is true, I live in a country divided by terrorism and I have done my entire life. There are so many terrorist groups that I couldn't name all of them but here are a few;

Real IRA
Continuity IRA
Provisional IRA
Loyalist Volunteer Force
Ulster Freedom Fighters
Ulster Volunteer Force
The Provos
Red Hand Defenders

[sphericthor]

Originally posted by Rocketboy
Oh man, that is quite a work of fiction!:lol:
Besides the French connection, how can I take something like this seriously with things like:
Typos
Use of the word bull****
"Since it is known that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was foreseen, and that the FBI ordered and organized JF Kennedy murder"
And no explanation of the location of the suppossed 2nd Pennsylvanian crash site.

If this is a work of fiction then how would you explain the images and why there wasn't more damage done to the Pentagon?

[tedward]

Originally posted by JBond
Flag's hanging and blowing the wroing way though...unless there's an updraft ;)

it looks that only becuase they are tearing the flagpole down :)

[JBond]

Oddly enough...that would explain it ;)

[tedward]

Originally posted by sphericthor
I have now deeper analyses which show that there has been a cover-up of what happened in Washington D.C. on 9/11. This cover-up disproves the thesis of the suicide of an Arab hijacker with a Boeing 757. I must write, sadly, that it enforces a terrible hypotheses : a tricky attack planned and executed by people from inside the United States of America in order to manipulate public opinion and, finally, drive this country into a war in Asia.

How can this be possible? The damage is minimal, considering the impact the plane would have more of the building should've been destroyed. It should have nearly wiped out that whole "side" of the pentagon. It was the worlds smalled Boeing 757.

Do you actually believe this nonsense? You think the govenment "invented" a highjacked plane and "crashed" it into the pentagon to create public backing for war?? Like some people would actually be undecided after seeing two planes crash into the wtc? the govenrment decided to kill all those people on the plane and the people in the pentagon just to be sure?

And the website which im sure was written by structural engineers :) which only shows close ups of that one wall and doesnt seem to see how an entire fifth of the pentagon was destroyed or suggest a viable alternative.

The pentagon is huge, and is short and stocky, its a military building and hence hugely over engineered with many redundencies, its not going to be damaged in the same way as more economically designed buildings. I suggest you get more sources before posting such nonsense which many people could find offensive.

[The Moose]

some interesting stuff here

[Rocketboy]

Originally posted by sphericthor
If this is a work of fiction then how would you explain the images and why there wasn't more damage done to the Pentagon? See tedward's post above

[todd philip]

and i would just like to state a few of my thoughts.

America to is the greatest of lands, why? you might ask, well
unlike most other countrys, america is filled with every sort of person, of every color, of every race, of every religon, ect ect ect.

For ALL americans (besides native americans) are not originally from here. All are familys at one time where foreigner's. My great grandmother (like millions of others grandparents) came here on a ship, and can you guess where this ship docked?
NEW YORK CITY! ELLIS ISLAND!

And all these people, from all over the world, have been coming to america for one reason and one reason alone...

FREEDOM

IN america you dont have to bow to no one! in AMERICA you can say what you want, to who ever you want! In AMERICA you can be and do whatever you heart desire's! In AMERICA Nobility is not a birthright. It is defined by one's actions.


Of course like all countrys we are not perfect, and NEVER will be!
But what america was born on was a dream, and i hope that, that dream never fades.

[Glordreen]

I did and didnt see this one, sorry about that, I asked a if a mod could delete it.

[todd philip]

thats allright!

;)

[slinger]

Originally posted by todd philip
and i would just like to state a few of my thoughts.

America to is the greatest of lands, why? you might ask, well
unlike most other countrys, america is filled with every sort of person, of every color, of every race, of every religon, ect ect ect.

For ALL americans (besides native americans) are not originally from here. All are familys at one time where foreigner's. My great grandmother (like millions of others grandparents) came here on a ship, and can you guess where this ship docked?
NEW YORK CITY! ELLIS ISLAND!

And all these people, from all over the world, have been coming to america for one reason and one reason alone...

FREEDOM

IN america you dont have to bow to no one! in AMERICA you can say what you want, to who ever you want! In AMERICA you can be and do whatever you heart desire's! In AMERICA Nobility is not a birthright. It is defined by one's actions.


Of course like all countrys we are not perfect, and NEVER will be!
But what america was born on was a dream, and i hope that, that dream never fades.

And is filled with those who make spelling/grammar errors ;)

[Rabbit]

When the attacks happened, I was waking up to go to school.
the first one was hit, but I got to watch #2. Wow.

[Longshanks]

I'd like everyone to take a moment to consider all the 1000's of victims of terrorism World Wide.

Not just 9/11, but also the victims of the Omar bombing, the Birmingham pub bombings, the London bombings (including the Baltic Exchange, Bishopsgate, Docklands, Household Cavalry and many more throughout the 70's, 80's and into the 90's that I remember so well whilst growing up here), the Rememberence day massacre in Enniskillen, and countless other victims in Northern Ireland, and the victims of the Brighton bombing, Manchester Arndale Centre, and many more in England, the victims on both sides in the Middle East, in France, Germany, Japan and everywhere else in this world where innocents have died in the name of 'Freedom Fighting' or religious or idealogical beliefs whatever they may be.

Victims are not only those who die, they are also the survivors and the relatives. America is not alone. Nor, alas is it unique.

Please take a moment to consider this on this anniversary.

Longshanks

[tedward]

amen

[redman]

nicely put longshanks.

[HeadHunter]

here here

[IdahoMR2man]

Indeed, Shanks. I hope some day we can get rid of Valentine's Day and have a day to remember people globally who have lost their lives to terrorism.

[IdahoMR2man]

This was in the Yahoo News today. And it's very true.

"In the two years since Sept. 11, 2001, the view of the United States as a victim of terrorism that deserved the world's sympathy and support has given way to a widespread vision of America as an imperial power that has defied world opinion through unjustified and unilateral use of military force."

I can testify that no one I know is a war hungry, US can do whatever we want type person. Alot of us don't support Bush and his administration. Alot of us can't wait till he's gone. It's a dark time in American history right now for us. It's hard when we have no control over what we do. It makes us feel like we didn't win the war against communism. We're supposed to be a democracy and recent events have shown that we really don't have control. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we're going to do much better when it's election time. So I guess my point is, before anyone starts to feel like they hate the US, don't hate the wrong party. You can be like most of the Americans I know and hate the US government.

[PsychoMike]

Originally posted by IdahoMR2man
I can testify that no one I know is a war hungry, US can do whatever we want type person. Alot of us don't support Bush and his administration. Alot of us can't wait till he's gone. It's a dark time in American history right now for us. It's hard when we have no control over what we do. It makes us feel like we didn't win the war against communism. We're supposed to be a democracy and recent events have shown that we really don't have control. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we're going to do much better when it's election time. So I guess my point is, before anyone starts to feel like they hate the US, don't hate the wrong party. You can be like most of the Americans I know and hate the US government.

here, here Idaho.

The US government is in need of an overhaul unfortunetly it will take alot of work for this to happen. However, the election is still over a year away alot can happen in a year. I still have hope for a new administration.

[Balrog of Moria]

Its been 2 years...R.I.P all the victims of 9/11/01

[Skinny]

Lord,

May the souls of those who departed on that fateful day rest upon the brightnest of your light. May we all come together to celebrate life and the lessons as it unfolds, for out of the smoke, flames, and rubble... a new day has come...

Amen

[Balrog of Moria]

amen :(

[Alien]

It's my Uncle Tommy's birthday today. I'm not going to forget his birthday anytime soon.

[Mat]

I was listening to the radio this morning and they were replaying their show that occured on 9/11. It's amazing; I felt the same way I felt on 9/11. It was weird. I just felt pissed off at the world the same way I felt pissed off on 9/11.

And people say that the economy is America's worst problem right now. We're just sitting ducks if all Americans take on that line of thought, just like we were on 9/11.

[todd philip]

AMERICA was made for THE PEOPLE, and BY THE PEOPLE!

The government is craming crap down all our throats!

WE need to REVOLT!

The founding fathers vision is begining to dissapear!

LET US NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!

[toddgoodguy]

3 years since the terrible, terrible attacks. Just one hour ago i was searching for pics of the world trade center and found a site that had pictures i had never seen before, and god do i wish i never saw, pictures of the peoples bodies that fell from the buildings, i still feel sick to my stomach, images i will never be able to erase from my mind!

God bless.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Yeah i was searching for pictures as well(How coincidental).My sister needed them for her artwork regarding some city skylines.Anyway,saw that video again and man.I remember i was sitting in my bed reading The Lord of the Rings for the third time when my mom came into the room and told me what happened.It happened at about 9pm in country by the way.Anyway,i thought it was a similar incident that happened last time.If you recall,a plane crashed into the Empire State building once.Anyway,i thought it was an accident,until the second plane crashed and i was like,"F man this is not right."

God bless everybody.

-_-

[toddgoodguy]

Yes, the pics i saw where of the peoples bodies on the ground, their bodies looked like exploded watermelons, like when you drop a watermelon from a couple stories high, it falls to the ground, exploding on impact, trully horrific pics.

[cg124]

Yeah i was searching for pictures as well(How coincidental).My sister needed them for her artwork regarding some city skylines.Anyway,saw that video again and man.I remember i was sitting in my bed reading The Lord of the Rings for the third time when my mom came into the room and told me what happened.It happened at about 9pm in country by the way.Anyway,i thought it was a similar incident that happened last time.If you recall,a plane crashed into the Empire State building once.Anyway,i thought it was an accident,until the second plane crashed and i was like,"F man this is not right."

God bless everybody.

-_-


I rememeber I was in school and they turned on the TV and they never even told us much so I don't know what the **** was going on and then they sent us home from school and I found out what happened:(

[PsYkOoOoO]

Yes, the pics i saw where of the peoples bodies on the ground, their bodies looked like exploded watermelons, like when you drop a watermelon from a couple stories high, it falls to the ground, exploding on impact, trully horrific pics.

Ok.I never saw those.Saw them falling though,and that was bad enough.

Yucks.

-_-

You mean you guys were sent home because of that incident?Hmm.Where do you live?

[Alien]

It's my Uncle Tommy's birthday today. I'm not going to forget his birthday anytime soon.
Happy Birthday to my Uncle.

[southern]

i was sitting in trig class, my teacher turned on the tv and we just sat there for the rest of the class. then i went to english and that heartless ***** wouldn't turn on the tv:angry: "we still have to have class" that was the answer we got when everyone looked at her like we were going to try her to the desk and watch it

i think it was the first anniv. and i was watching Oprah, her show was about it and they showed this father telling his little boy that his mommy wasn't going to come home again......i thought i would never stop crying

[PsYkOoOoO]

Woah.Haha.I skipped half the lessons the next day just to go home and watch it on the news.Didnt even attend the other lessons.

I have a friend's friend's aunt who had a shop pretty close to the place itself,and that day she went out of her shop to see what happened and stuff.Of course,she was evacuated afterwards,but as she was running away she saw people hitting the ground behind her and stuff.It just looked like a bloody horror movie man.

[IamMrDJ]

The day it happened I was on my way to work when I heard. I got to work an hour before the store opened. We turned the store power on early and every single employee was back in my department then watching it on the news. I worked a 6 hour shift taht day and never once did my managers question an employee standing there watching the news. That night I had to go to school and in the classroom next to mine the news was on a projector screen. We all wanted to go and watch it. Our professor said we had to stay in the classroom because we were scheduled to have a test that day. After he handed out our tests he left the room and went adn watched the news next door.

[Moridin]

It's good to know good ol' fashioned propaganda still works. "War on terrorism" "Cruel terrorists" etc etc. I feel very bad for those 3000 people, but let's face it: America is no saint. I hate to break it to you, but more than half a millon innocent lives, including women and children, were lost in the second Gulf war. Hardly a peaceful way to deal with those evil people who try to destroy America, hm?

[southern]

we're always going to be damned if we do and damned if we don't

[Optimus Magnus]

I've heard a lot of "God Bless" and all that other bollocks, but what of the many other religiously diverse people on this board. Why do you not add your prayers, or is mourning the September 11 victims a Christian only affair?

[Moridin]

I've heard a lot of "God Bless" and all that other bollocks, but what of the many other religiously diverse people on this board. Why do you not add your prayers, or is mourning the September 11 victims a Christian only affair?
"God bless" does not necessarily refer only to the christian God.

[Moridin]

we're always going to be damned if we do and damned if we don't
Care to make that slightly more coherent?

[Tony Montana]

Just leave religion out of your politics. It scares me a lot when I see or hear some american christians acting like it was 15th century.

[Optimus Magnus]

"God bless" does not necessarily refer only to the christian God.


Not all religions call thier creator 'God', thats an English word, what of Bhudda, or the Hindu Gods, or even some of the higher Shinto kami. Or what of Allah himself, since a lot of people keep mentioning him, where are his representitives here?

See where I am going with this?

[zamphir66]

Not all religions call thier creator 'God', thats an English word, what of Bhudda, or the Hindu Gods, or even some of the higher Shinto kami. Or what of Allah himself, since a lot of people keep mentioning him, where are his representitives here?

See where I am going with this?

Well you can also use the word god as a common noun, with a small 'g.' For example, Allah is a god, Jehovah is a god, etc etc.

[Moridin]

Not all religions call thier creator 'God', thats an English word, what of Bhudda, or the Hindu Gods, or even some of the higher Shinto kami. Or what of Allah himself, since a lot of people keep mentioning him, where are his representitives here?

See where I am going with this?
Are you really that annoyed because someone simply didn't translate the word?

[PsychoMike]

Not all religions call thier creator 'God', thats an English word, what of Bhudda, or the Hindu Gods, or even some of the higher Shinto kami. Or what of Allah himself, since a lot of people keep mentioning him, where are his representitives here?

See where I am going with this?

No I don't. I can tell you one thing Bhudda is not a god, only a dead Indian, and he didn't create anything. I belive the Hindu creator diety is Brahma(sp?).

[CapricornDevil]

Care to make that slightly more coherent?I believe what Southern meant is that it is impossible to please everybody. America, being one of if not THE most powerful nation on Earth, will always have enemies and critics.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If we act on something, then some critics damn us for acting.
If we choose not to act, then other critics will damn us for lack of action.

[IdahoMR2man]

Hey! What about all us devil worshippers?!?!? How come no one say's "Lucifer Bless"? I'm gonna have to write a letter!

[PsYkOoOoO]

Because the devil will never bless his followers.

"Lucifer Curses you." is what you should be saying.

[Optimus Magnus]

well at least I got a response or two, but the point was since this 'War on Terror' involves Islam so much, I wanted to know what other Muslims around the world felt about it. And imput from people of other faiths, since faith is a very influencial factor in decisions made by a lot of people, I wanted to know what the broader view was.

Hmmm, maybe I should have just said that before huh, sorry for the mad ranting post.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Ive watched a documentary on TV about the effect on Muslims a couple of months ago.Some Muslim scholars were interviewed,and they clearly explained that people tend to mix terrorism and islam together as one.They are disgusted as well that the terrorists are using Islamic laws as their "motive" to kill innocent people.

But then again,its good that most people still knows where to draw the line between Muslimes and terrorists.

[CapricornDevil]

well at least I got a response or two, but the point was since this 'War on Terror' involves Islam so much, I wanted to know what other Muslims around the world felt about it. And imput from people of other faiths, since faith is a very influencial factor in decisions made by a lot of people, I wanted to know what the broader view was.

Hmmm, maybe I should have just said that before huh, sorry for the mad ranting post.
I am not a Christian and I have a hard time when people say "God Bless" to me on a personal level. However, beings that the vast majority of our nation is of a Judeo-Christian faith, I can understand and accept the term "God Bless ______ (America, the President, the Military, etc)" as a blanket statement. It is not said out of lack of compassion for the non-Christians among the populus, but as a generalized expression of good will.

[Moridin]

Ive watched a documentary on TV about the effect on Muslims a couple of months ago.Some Muslim scholars were interviewed,and they clearly explained that people tend to mix terrorism and islam together as one.They are disgusted as well that the terrorists are using Islamic laws as their "motive" to kill innocent people.

But then again,its good that most people still knows where to draw the line between Muslimes and terrorists.
Exactly. It's like still blaming the Germans for World War II.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Or blaming Bush for being stupid.

Its really not his fault to be an idiot.

[Boro]

that attack at bush was pretty clever.

[CapricornDevil]

I love the "Bush is stupid" posts. Can't they come up with any ideas that are more profound? Do you see any "Kerry is stupid" posts? I didn't think so.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Because he's not the president yet.Well,we'll see.

[Brock Landers]

Because he's not the president yet.Well,we'll see.

So? ;)


FLIPPITY FLIPPITY FLOP FLOP FLOP! ;)

[Boro]

no! thats all wrong

it goes :

flippity flop flop
flippity flop flop
look at flippy go...

[stonefaced_1]

I love the "Bush is stupid" posts. Can't they come up with any ideas that are more profound? Do you see any "Kerry is stupid" posts? I didn't think so.


Your right. I'm so sick of people who don't even follow politics jumping on the Bush bashing bandwagon and the only thing they say is "Bush is stupid", and "Bush went to war for no reason" is that the best they have? I don't have any problem with people disagreeing with the president when they actually have a valid argument and can back up what they say. For example, I know people that say they won't vote for bush because they don't want to be drafted. Which absolutely makes zero sense. The only times that a draft has been installed was when a democratic president was in office. Why? They tear down the military, run out of troops, and have install the draft. In WW2 a draft would of been necessary anyway, but Vietnam wouldn't of if LBJ and Kennedy wouldn't of cut the military in the early sixties. My Opinion is, with Bush in office a draft won't happen. With Kerry, there is a better chance if we would engage in another conflict.