Go WWE!

[chewie]

Batista vs JBL at Summerslam is going to be bad. Hopefully they do something about that.

[carnage4u]

Batista vs JBL at Summerslam is going to be bad. Hopefully they do something about that.


as much as i want jbl to be champ. i have zero interest in seeing them fight again
and zero interest in UT vrs orton.
/sigh

[ZombieMan]

Batista vs JBL at Summerslam is going to be bad. Hopefully they do something about that.

Yet again...The creative team is going all to hell. Too predictable and horrible booking plans.

[LS2002]

as much as i want jbl to be champ. i have zero interest in seeing them fight again
and zero interest in UT vrs orton.
/sigh


I don't know I think Orton vs Taker might be alright. I kept thinking it would suck at WM but they put on a pretty good match. JBL vs Batista again Ugh that will not be so great.

[filmstudent04]

Lesnar has officially been offered a contract...just a matter of time till he is back...i bet it'll be time around summerslam maybe

[ZombieMan]

Yeah, I'm betting that Lesnar makes his return around Summerslam as well. I also bet that he won't be very welcomed by WWE fans.

[filmstudent04]

In a recent interview...Bret Hart claimed to say "Never say Never" when asked the question if he would ever do an on air performance with the wwe...he also stated he still wishes he could wrestle

[Warren]

as much as i want jbl to be champ. i have zero interest in seeing them fight again
and zero interest in UT vrs orton.
/sigh

Agreed, except for JBL should never be champ again.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

looks like Jericho is leaving after summerslam :(

http://www.wrestling-edge.com/newsarticle.php?page=124568935

[LS2002]

Well SO much for him winning the Title. Its a shame to.

[filmstudent04]

supposedly, one of the new writers for wwe ( who came from nickelodeon) asked jbl how the made the fake blood continuously flow from his head....haha fake blood wow.
Also i guess its stephanie mcmahon that is pushing the creative writing and she is pushin it as far away as she can from the roots of wrestling and what it used to be

[carnage4u]

if anything of those new rumors are true. its sad.

[LS2002]

Now the rumor is that Jericho's contract is up after Summerslam, and he's yet to sign an extension. However, he's considering re-signing with the WWE. Though he'll still take a break with a Fozzy tour.

[filmstudent04]

Bret Hart is apparently in talks with wwe of possibly coming back. One inside source stated that the wwe bent over backwards trying to get him to sign...but he still was not satisfied with the negotiations...i guess there is a dvd coming out called "screwed:the bret hart story" coming out in the fall and they want him back to promote the dvd....wow

[LordofKings]

Bret Hart still can't wrestle? He hasn't yet fully recovered from his stroke?

How old is he? If he could wrestle again, I'm sure he'd still be excellent as he will keep himself in shape and is younger then flair and hogan, well I think Hogan. I could see him, if he could wrestle, giving a title run one last time because his style of wrestling isn't as demanding as say a Shawn Michaels. But I know most likely the stroke ended his wrestling days forever as he was the best IMO.

No one, besides Shawn Michaels, is better then Bret Hart overall IMO. Shawn and Bret I think are tied.

Thats just my opinion though. I was always a huge Hitman fan.

[ZombieMan]

My thoughts on Jericho possibly leaving is simply this....NOOOOOOOO IT CAN'T BE TRUE!!!! I don't think that he will leave, but if he does then I'll be pretty pissed. I'm a Jerichoholic all the way!!!

[Warren]

He's going on tour with Fozzy for a while after Summerslam. Thankfully, he'll be back. :)

[LS2002]

Yeah Jericho will stay with the WWE he just wants to go on tour for awhile

wwe.com posted the following about Jericho:

"Chris Jericho wants to set the record straight.

With various outside sources reporting that Jericho has yet to sign a contract extension with WWE, the former undisputed champion made sure to contact WWE.com and denounce those reports.

“I signed an extension on Monday in Cleveland at Gund Arena,” Jericho said. “I’ve been working with WWE for six years and I’m not going anywhere.”

Jericho, who didn’t want to disclose specifics regarding the contract, signed a short-term extension this week and said a longer extension is likely still in the works. Jericho still has big plans for his band Fozzy, but doesn’t expect his musical career to interfere with his job as a wrestler.

“Fozzy isn’t a factor at all,” Jericho said. “Things with the band are going great and WWE has been really positive with Fozzy. We have some great opportunities overseas with the band, but none of that is going to hinder my time with WWE.”

“I’m still an employee of WWE,” Jericho said. “My contract had expired but I’m back and looking toward the future.” "

Gotta love the new WWE.com. Now we know he's staying with the WWE.

[ZombieMan]

I just read this on www.lordsofpain.net and it will be good to see Noble back, and Spanky both!!! :)

According to accurate sources it looks as if WWE will be bringing back Jamie Knoble and Spanky, obviously to try and spice up their cruiserweight division.

Knoble, who has been working the independent scene was spotted at WWE headquarters in Stamford, CT yesterday.

Neither Knoble nor Spanky have been given a date in which the company plans to bring them back but it is expected they will get a chance to fulfill their independent commitments.

[PapaRoachRules]

the eddie/rey secret wasn't that good. it was crazy how dominic acted though

[chewie]

the eddie/rey secret wasn't that good. it was crazy how dominic acted though

Yet again, another really predictable storyline done by the WWE.

[PapaRoachRules]

i can't say i expected it but it was really stupid.

[jbailey84]

question about the GAB, what were those guys chanting to Eddie after the match that got him all fired up? i tried to hear what it was but couldnt catch it.

[DangerMouse]

the eddie/rey secret wasn't that good. it was crazy how dominic acted though

Its pretty weak when you consider Dominic is a dead ringer for Rey. It's a good thing current WWE fans don't remember what Rey looks like without the mask.

If they did, this angle would be worse than it already is.

[Rogue]

So...what was the Rey/Eddie secret?

[ZombieMan]

Did anyone see Velocity on Saturday night? I watched it and I must say that I was VERY amazed with Frankie Kazarian's match against Funaki. This guy will be moving right along, as I figured that he would. I always liked him in NWA-TNA and everywhere in the indies. He carried Funaki through the match pretty much and made Funaki look REAL good, and thats when you know that you have a damn good wrestler on your hands! I can't wait to see more of him on Smackdown, as his bio was recently put on their roster page. I think that Kazarian will win a title all too soon if he keeps up the good work. I am anxious to see how he plays out. :)

[DangerMouse]

So...what was the Rey/Eddie secret?

When Eddie had a problem with drugs and alcohol, he knocked up some random chick. Rey and his wife were having problems having a child, so Eddie "gave" Dominic to Rey.

[filmstudent04]

so apparently either Mcmahon's announcement will either be about announcing Matt hardy vs edge at summerslam, something bout rock and foley, umm maybe brock's signing annd maybe about hassan coming back to raw...whatta ppl think it'll be? I personally think it'll be about hardy...

[insaneMoViEgoer]

most likely hardy. they have to build up hype for a summerslam match. plus they also need to inform people who dont read stuff on the internet.

EDIT: just read an article on lordsofpain, and they saying its most likely about lesnar.

[carnage4u]

....

[ZombieMan]

I think that the announcement will be about Brock Lesnar since that has been such a big deal lately.

[LS2002]

Hmmm it's tough to say right now what the Announcement will be. I mean I was looking at some fans suggestions at a Website and some of them said that it could be about WWE moving to USA or WWE Raw becoming the longest running program since Gunsmoke

It looks Tatanka will be accepting the Masterlock challenge Tonight

Also who do you people think Eugenes 1st Opponent is going to be?? I don't think its going to be Angle atleast not until next week so lets see where is Raw at tonight?

Mohegan Sun, CT 7:45 PM

Hmm there in Conn Isn't the Game from Conn? I really wouldn't be surprised if he shows up tonight especially since HHH vs. Flair is rumored for Summerslam.

[ZombieMan]

I am personally excited to see Tatanka return on Raw tonight, and it looks like a one-time deal. But thats ok, it will just be good to see him again, as he use to be one of my favorite wrestlers. :) Also about Eugene, I don't think that Angle will challenge him tonight either, but I think that Angle will come out to commentate and maybe do a run-in at the end and try to ruin it for Eugene.

[chewie]

I did enjoy Raw tonight. A lot better than the last two weeks. It was good to see Tatanka after like 10 years. The Diva competition wasn't that painful to watch either. Maybe that's because there's only 4 left. Thank god it's almost done.

[PapaRoachRules]

Cena won!! :omg: i thought he lost it for sure. Good thing that other ref came in or Cena would have lost it forever. Awesome how Jerico attacked him with the camera though. deffinetly a good episode. The tag team match with The Big Show was good too.

[carnage4u]

eugene was amusing.. I left the room for about 20 minutes when the fool came out to wreslte val venis, which meant i missed the divas as well..oh well, and caught a second of michaels pretending to be hogan


Cena winning was not to much of a suprise. i guess we will have to always deal with champ vrs management angle because the austin vrs vince thing went over too well.

[DangerMouse]

I have to say that I hope they keep the Eugene/ Angle fued going because their MIC exchanges are absolutely hilarious.

Yet another reason why Kurt Angle is slowly becoming one of my favorite wrestlers. Not only is he a great in-ring talent, he can flat out carry any sort of feud.

[IrishJoy]

and Angle's acting is so good being both a nice and a bad guy

[ZombieMan]

Yet another reason why Kurt Angle is slowly becoming one of my favorite wrestlers. Not only is he a great in-ring talent, he can flat out carry any sort of feud.

Your exactly right on that!

[filmstudent04]

according to wwe.com...brock lesnar has apparently back out of negotiations with wwe....man o man can't these guys get over their ego's?

[Warren]

according to wwe.com...brock lesnar has apparently back out of negotiations with wwe....man o man can't these guys get over their ego's?

The way WWE.com has been working recently, you can't be sure whether what was reported was real or not.

[ZombieMan]

Warren is right. The entire Matt Hardy thing looks to be a work, so there is no telling whether Brock came to terms with them or not.

[chewie]

Yet another reason why Kurt Angle is slowly becoming one of my favorite wrestlers. Not only is he a great in-ring talent, he can flat out carry any sort of feud.

Kurt Angle is such a natural. He can carry anybody.

[IrishJoy]

i read the article about Brock too. i hope he's coming back so somebody would be worthy enough other than the game to take on the animal batista.

[filmstudent04]

wow, just read the spoilers for smackdown...stuuuuuuuuupid...they keep going on and on with this dang guerrero/mysterio angle...its lame!!!! it sounds like all they do is a lot of talking too just lame

[carnage4u]

seeing bret hart on front of wwe.com was a bit bizarre today

bizzaro day

[filmstudent04]

let's not all get too excited though...remember that a dvd of him is coming out soon called "screwed:the bret hart story" sooo it could just be about that and possibly asking him to be inducted into the hall of fame for wrestlemania in chicago...soooo lets not all get our hopes up...

[carnage4u]

im sure its something small or not important and they are just milking it, but still odd to see

btw where do you go for smackdown spoilers?

[ZombieMan]

My hopes are definitely not up about Bret Hart. I doubt that he will ever wrestle again actually. In other news, I just read that Tatanka was offered an official WWE contract and I hope that he signs it. :)

[LS2002]

Yes Bret hart can't wrestle again we all know that but it would still be nice to see him one last time at WM.

[LordofKings]

How's Michaels heel turn going? Haven't watched raw lately but love him as a heel.

[Halofan1]

I have to say that I hope they keep the Eugene/ Angle fued going because their MIC exchanges are absolutely hilarious.

Yet another reason why Kurt Angle is slowly becoming one of my favorite wrestlers. Not only is he a great in-ring talent, he can flat out carry any sort of feud.

Kurt Angle is one of the best working today, period. He gets booed out of respect now.

I still say he and Lesnar's match at WrestleMania XIX is one of the best ever.

[filmstudent04]

welllllll it looks like cena will be facing angle after summerslam...to to prowrestling.com for the story....

[Warren]

Hopefully Angle gets the belt, if that's true. I've gotten tired of Cena.

[filmstudent04]

i wouldn't doubt it....i bet they wanna play that feud out for awhile so i bet ya any money that angle would win it...unless of course he isnt up to the best health...

[ZombieMan]

I just read the following news on www.lordsofpain.net about Trevor. And what I don't understand is that they are calling him Trevor Murdoch, so I will give him a phone call today and ask him why the name change or if its even legit news. But since they (TNT) have filmed vignettes, then that means that him and Garrison Cade should be debuting on Raw or Smackdown soon.

The tag-team of Garrison Cade and Trevor Murdoch, TNT, will debut as heels when they appear on television. The pair have already filmed various vignettes.

[PapaRoachRules]

i missed smackdown. i always forget :angry:

[FVD]

Well I just watched Raw the other but I missed Tatanka. Damn :(

I did crack up about Rob Conway's new look though. Doing things the Con-way. And the Ego Trip finishing move. I suppose the guy needed something to get into. Look at the way they've pushed Rene Dupree as of late. Now Sylain Grenier needs a push just so that he ain't missing out.

Btw whatever the hell happened to Christopher Nowinski????

[FVD]

...and I love the Kurt Angle Eugene feud

[FVD]

...and HBK's impersonation of Hulk Hogan (BROTHER!!! ;))

[filmstudent04]

So it seems bret hart and the wwe are on somewhat good terms...and his production of his dvd should be goin just fine...but dont expect him to all of a sudden come back...and i guess he really isnt interested in the hall of fame...

HHH and flair are apparently scheduled to come back on Oct 3rd, the first raw show that the wwe is back on the usa network..

[HotBoy]

Last night on RAW, concerning the Diva Search, Kristal was eliminated( :rolleyes: big surprise). However, if you go to wwe.com, you'll see the Diva promo which would've aired had she not been eliminated. You'll see her get pied by the Coach, put down the other Divas, and throw in quite a few expletives.

Based on that, I'd say that we haven't seen the last of her.

[IrishJoy]

i think it's just part of the diva search thing. spicing things up for the audience to love. the search is getting more exiting! if i were a judge, it would take me a long time to decide who will win. they're just too georgeous and athletic. all of them!

[carnage4u]

i think it's just part of the diva search thing. spicing things up for the audience to love. the search is getting more exiting! if i were a judge, it would take me a long time to decide who will win. they're just too georgeous and athletic. all of them!


too early... cant tell if this post contains sarcasim,, otherwise im afraid.

[DangerMouse]

i think it's just part of the diva search thing. spicing things up for the audience to love. the search is getting more exiting! if i were a judge, it would take me a long time to decide who will win. they're just too georgeous and athletic. all of them!

I am ashamed to say I've been voting in this.

But the only reason I am doing so is to make sure the winner is someone who can actually wrestle.

Ashley.

Everyone else is just a rump shaker. Maybe Vince will take the hint if we the fans only vote for those contestants who show they actually have a talent for actual in-ring wrestling.

[IrishJoy]

hmm maybe the winner should be a complete package of beauty,body and wrestling career potentials. i have one in mind. :)

[HotBoy]

I don't know if anyone saw this on RAW, but during the face-off between Hulk Hogan, and HBK, the jawjacking reached an all time high, when Hulk Hogan said that since HBK "wanted to throw stones, all the Hulkster had to do is call up...BRET HART!!!"

[chewie]

Raw the last 3 or 4 weeks has just been crap, that's not a good thing when you're leading up to one of your 4 biggest PPV's.

[LordofKings]

I don't know if anyone saw this on RAW, but during the face-off between Hulk Hogan, and HBK, the jawjacking reached an all time high, when Hulk Hogan said that since HBK "wanted to throw stones, all the Hulkster had to do is call up...BRET HART!!!"

what did he mean by that?

[LS2002]

Well they are in Montreal Tomorrow could we possibly see a Apperence by Bret? It would shock the world

[filmstudent04]

highly doubtful...like one in a million

[DangerMouse]

highly doubtful...like one in a million


When does that Bret Hart DVD come out?

[slinger]

I could see them playing Bret's theme music in a move to distract HBK. And just to see the reaction it would get.

[filmstudent04]

Wow HBK, what an opener is all I have to say...and you were right that they actually played bret's theme music..

[stunt double]

I wanted so much for Leyla to get the Diva win, but I knew Asley would get it.

[chewie]

I did not want Leyla to win, because it doesn't look like she could wrestle her way out of a paper bag. There are already enough diva's that can't wrestle. At least Ashley looks like she has some skill in the ring.

[stunt double]

Maybe one other factor that she won is her resemblence to Trish Stratus? I'm sure WWE will work Leyla into a storyline like they did with with Joy Giovanni. Well let's hope Ashley have a long staying power. Will WWE extend Christy Henne? I'm thinking her 15 minutes are up.

[FVD]

Wow HBK, what an opener is all I have to say...and you were right that they actually played bret's theme music..

That would be one hell of a swerve. And to think we never even got to see Bret wrestle Hulk Hogan. We wanted to see that in WCW and we all probably thought it gonna happen but no. Thanks alot Goldberg for killing Bret's career.

But it's great that Bret and VKM have found some closure.

[IrishJoy]

I also like Leyla to win but Ashley would probably get it.

[carnage4u]

I am so glad the diva search is over. 46 weeks before the stupid thing begins again.

Raw first 15 minutes was great. HBK stole the show and it was just over the top hate from the fans. Pure fun, and playings bret music was just too much fun.. wonderul and crazy.

angle/hogan was enjoyable too, and the finish with the sharpshooter was perfect.

[DangerMouse]

The best part about HBK's opening rant was the fact that he was enjoying the absolute crap out of it.

Anyone else catch his hand signal to the guys in the production truck? The fact that he was going to go longer than expected? That is some serious pull!!

He's been a face for such a long time this is probably the first time he's been able to tell Canadians to "stick it" without having to break character.

And I'm sorry if i p*ss anyone off, they deserve it 100%.

I don't think Bret Hart fans realize how much they have short changed their hero's career by not being able to "get over it".

The more I hear Canadians and Hart fans whine about Bret Hart, the less respect I have for the man and his career. The fact that the "You s*rewed Bret" chant has become Bret Hart's legacy is sad.

[Rogue]

I did not want Leyla to win, because it doesn't look like she could wrestle her way out of a paper bag. There are already enough diva's that can't wrestle. At least Ashley looks like she has some skill in the ring.

Agreed. Plus she looks like Melania's twin. BLECH. Ashley was at least cute. Not a big fan of blondes but Ashley was tolerable.

[stunt double]

I'm not a big fan of blondes, either. WWE is littered with blondes, even Eddie Guerrero is one. Chavo sold out so he too can be 'blonde'.

Leyla has that mixed exoticness to her. Crystal was cute but was cut. I would to love to see a diva with different ethnicity. Add some flavor in the mix. I've noticed different race women don't stay long in WWE.

[LordofKings]

That would be one hell of a swerve. And to think we never even got to see Bret wrestle Hulk Hogan. We wanted to see that in WCW and we all probably thought it gonna happen but no. Thanks alot Goldberg for killing Bret's career.

But it's great that Bret and VKM have found some closure.

How did Goldberg kill Bret's Career?

[chewie]

I do believe he injured Bret when they wrestled at a PPV. I think it was his head. I could be wrong though.

[Warren]

Yeah, Goldberg superkicked him in the head and gave him a concussion. It damaged his career greatly.

[filmstudent04]

I agree with you dangermouse...even though i am a fan of bret, i mean c'mon if all the canadian fans and bret hart fans alike have is the whole "you screwed bret" chant...that is pretty sad...i mean get over it and remember him for the great wrestler that he was, not for how he was cheated, which he really wasnt cheated that much cuz he was goin to wcw anyways so he was gonna bail on us sooner or later

[LordofKings]

Yeah, Goldberg superkicked him in the head and gave him a concussion. It damaged his career greatly.

Must have been a bad concussion, but I think I remember that. Was it really that bad to damage his career?

Wasn't Hart's last time on WCW the time when he took Goldberg to a desert (?) and sucker hit him with a shovel and that was the last time I remember seeing him on TV.

How old is he anyways?

[Warren]

Yeah, a severe concussion he never recovered from fully.

When I said "damaged his career" I meant pretty much ended it. He was being misused in WCW anyway.

And he's 48 now.

[IrishJoy]

Yeah, a severe concussion he never recovered from fully.

When I said "damaged his career" I meant pretty much ended it. He was being misused in WCW anyway.

And he's 48 now.

he may rest now or come back later as another IMMORTAL FIGURE.may be 10 years later? that would be lame

[insaneMoViEgoer]

i remember that kick, it was pretty bad.

[Halofan1]

Mark my words, Hart runs out Sunday and helps Hogan win.

[IrishJoy]

i think Bret decided to stop wrestling because he feels sorry for what had hapend to Owen.

[Warren]

i think Bret decided to stop wrestling because he feels sorry for what had hapend to Owen.

Uh, no. He is/was physically unable to wrestle.

[DangerMouse]

i think Bret decided to stop wrestling because he feels sorry for what had hapend to Owen.


He had a stroke.

[filmstudent04]

naw way man, no way in hell he'll come out... if he does, naw naw he wont

[Halofan1]

Shawn Michaels said this...

"Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart are such big WWE superstars that their limos don't arrive until the show is halfway over."

Funny, I didn't know Bret was on the WWE's current active list?

[LS2002]

It is now virtually confirmed that Bret Hart will not be appearing at Sunday's Summerslam PPV. While WWE has no problem with the speculation continuing to add intrigue to the main-event, the company never seriously expected Hart to work the date, and no version of the booking plans ever called for "The Hitman" to get involved.

Bret Hart will be working the NWA Convention in Charlotte this Saturday, before heading to WWE Headquarters on Monday to finish the upcoming DVD. WWE has internally set a deadline of next week to finish production on the disc-set.

Besides I think WWE already has a Wrestler Returning at SS

[Halofan1]

I STILL say Hart shows up sunday. They never built him up this much before.

[Warren]

But it's been CONFIRMED that he won't.

[DangerMouse]

Now I'm not sure if I'll put down money for the PPV.

I was toying with it just to see the Edge/Hardy match, and the idea of seeing a Bret Hart run-in was enough to plop down the $$$$.

But now, I'm not sure.

I take it Lesner will be the returning wrestler?

[Warren]

Lesnar could be possible.

If he does come back, I'd expect him to run in and attack Batista.

[DangerMouse]

Lesnar could be possible.

If he does come back, I'd expect him to run in and attack Batista.


But does the WWE gamble and have Lesner cost Bastista the title to set up a new feud for both JBL and Batista?

[Warren]

Well, it would be after Batista wins.

[IrishJoy]

but it would be a better event if Bret shows up so i think he will for the sake of the fans

[HotBoy]

I'm guessing that Trish shows up at SummerSlam.

Oh, and here's a question: When is RVD expected to be back??

[chewie]

Summerslam Predictions

- HULK HOGAN vs. Shawn Michaels.

WWE Championship Match
- JOHN CENA (c) vs. Chris Jericho.

World Heavyweight Championship - No Holds Barred Match
- BATISTA (c) vs. John Bradshaw Layfield.

Ladder Match - Winner Gains Custody of Dominick
- REY MYSTERIO vs. Eddie Guerrero.

- Matt Hardy vs. EDGE w/ Lita.

- The Undertaker vs. RANDY ORTON.

If Angle wins, he gets back his Gold Medal
- Eugene vs. KURT ANGLE.

WWE United States Championship Match
- Orlando Jordan (c) vs. CHRIS BENOIT.

[ilovecandace]

rvd is on tna now i think and i dont think lensar nor bret hart will show up .....what about stone cold or triple h?

[insaneMoViEgoer]

RVD is still with WWE.

[LS2002]

HHH is not going to be back till Oct 3rd from what I am hearing

[DangerMouse]

Benoit wins in something like 60 sec, and the Edge/Hardy match just kind of....ends.

I paid $35.00 for this?

This better get a lot better or this is the last PPV I buy.

[BWSword]

is there a web site that shows who wins the matches early for raw/smack/ppv?

[chewie]

I can't believe that I got all my predictions right.

[filmstudent04]

wow this ppv sounds pretty lame...

[game354]

WWE Summerslam Report
MCI Center in Washington, D.C

-Lilian starts of the evening by singing the American national anthem.

-A video is shown recapping the big matches of the PPV and the events leading to the them.

US Championship Match:
Chris Benoit vs. Orlando Jordan (c)
-Benoit starts the match off quickly hitting two german suplexes and straps in the Crippler Crossface in the middle of the ring and gets the quick win to become new champ.
WINNER and NEW US Champ: Chris Benoit

-Eddie Guerrero is shown backstage when his wife comes in to talk to him. His wife tells Eddie that this match is not about Dominick but about beating Rey and proving he is better. She tries to convince Eddie not to beat Rey and destroy his family. Eddie thinks his wife doesn’t think he can beat Rey and tells her to leave since she’s not supporting him.

Edge w/ Lita vs. Matt Hardy
-A recap is shown of the entire Matt Hardy/Lita/Edge triangle. Edge comes out first with Lita and surprisingly without his “Money in the Bank” briefcase. Matt comes out next and is greeted by Edge on the outside. They brawl outside the ring before Hardy throws Edge back into the ring. The match officially starts and the two continue to brawl with Hardy getting the upper hand. Edge gets control after a quick headbutt. With Matt Hardy on the apron, Edge hits a suicide spear and takes Hardy to the outside. Hardy begins to bleed from the face after hitting the ring post, face first. The ref checks on Matt a few times, but he wants to continue. Matt appears to be defensive-less as Edge keeps hitting Matt with kicks and punches to the head. The ref then stops the match and announces Edge as the winner to a course of boos.
WINNER: Edge

Custody of Dominick Ladder Match:
Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio
-Guerrero hits Rey with a cheap shot to gain control early. Guerrero goes for the briefcase first, but Mysterio hits Guerrero with a springboard drop kick to knock him off of the ladder. Guerrero tries to bring another ladder into the ring, but Mysterio drop kicks the ladder back into Guerrero’s face. Mysterio executes springboard seated senton out Guerrero. Both men attempt to grab the briefcase, but Guerrero flips over the top of the ladder and attempts a sunset flip powerbomb. Guerrero doesn’t fully execute the move but does enough to bring Mysterio down as well. Guerrero brings in another ladder and places Mysterio between both of them and hits a helo on the top ladder sandwiching Mysterio. Guerrero makes another attempt at the briefcase, but is met by Mysterio who uses the second ladder which is leaning on the first. Mysterio then back drops Guerrero on to the second ladder, but Guerrero’s weight knocks over the first ladder dropping Mysterio too. Mysterio tries to get the briefcase, but Guerrero drop kicks Mysterio off. Guerrero sets up a ladder onto the top rope. Mysterio attempts a hurricanranna, but Guerrero tosses Mysterio stomach first into the ladder on the ropes. Guerrero then heads for the briefcase but Dominick comes into the ring and tries to knock the ladder off, but can’t. Guerrero notices and comes down to confront Dominick. Eddie tells Dominick that he will love him cause he’s his new daddy. Guerrero attempts to hit Dominick, but Rey comes flying in and attacks Eddie. He hits a 619 with Eddie against the ladder and hits a spingboard leg drop on Eddie with the ladder on top of him. Mysterio begins to climb the ladder but is met by Guerrero who positions him for an electric chair drop. Mysterio spins around and executes a sunset flip powerbomb on Guerrero. Mysterio climbs the ladder and grabs hold of the briefcase, but Guerrero gets back up and moves the ladder. Guerrero grabs Mysterio by the legs and powerbombs him to the ground. Guerrero places the ladder over top of Mysterio and begans to climb. Guerrero grabs the briefcase but Mysterio knocks over the ladder and pulls Guerrero down. Guerrero then hits the three amigo suplexes and hits the last one on top of the ladder. Guerrero goes for the briefcase again with Mysterio nowhere in sight. Vicky, Eddie’s wife, hits the ring and pleads to Eddie not to get the briefcase. Guerrero tells her to go home, but she pushes the ladder down. Mysterio climbs the ladder and Guerrero tries to climb up as well but Vicky pulls Eddie down and jumps on top of him which gives Mysterio enough time to grab the briefcase. Dominick comes in the ring to celebrate with Rey.
WINNER: Rey Mysterio

-Chris Jericho is interviewed backstage and states that Cena’s run will be over. He also reminds everyone that he beat The Rock and Steve Austin in the same night to become the Undisputed Champion.

No Time Limit Gold Medal Match:
Kurt Angle vs. Eugene w/ Christy Hemme
-Eugene and Christy come out first. Angle comes out next and attacks Eugene before the bell rings. Angle continues to pummel Eugene with some very stiff clotheslines. Eugene counters an attempted clothesline and hits a spinebuster. Eugene mimics the Rock and goes for the People’s Elbow, but Angle gets up quickly and hits another clothesline to a surprising course of cheers. Eugene does his version of “hulking” up and hits the Rock Bottom for a near fall. Eugene counters an Angle slam and hits the Stone Cold Stunner for another near fall. Eugene mimics Angle and straps on the ankle lock to which Angle gets out of. Angle hits the Angle slam and straps on the ankle lock. Eugene tries to get to the ropes, but Angle pulls him back into the middle. Eugene is forced to tap out. Angle then grabs a steel chair, tosses Eugene out of the ring and reinacts a gold medal ceremony.
WINNER: Kurt Angle

-Backstage Torrie, Maria, Ashley, Candice and Stacy are shown washing the limo of the President of the USA. The window comes down and Vince McMahon is shown. McMahon then asks “Why not?”. The camera then goes to the back of the limo which has a bumber sticker “McMahon for President”.

Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker
-Taker overpowers Orton early with a couple of shoulder blocks. Orton walks into a big boot and Taker gets a near fall. Taker begins to work on the left arm of Orton with a few different submission holds. Taker attempts Old School, but Orton counters with an arm drag off the top rope. Orton tries to win a fist fight with Taker, but is easily overmatched. Taker attempts a big boot on Orton who is in the corner, but Orton moves and Taker appears to have injured his left leg. Orton starts to work on the left leg, ramming it into the ring post a few times and locking in a few submission holds. Taker regains control by tossing Orton to the outside. Taker hits Orton with a legdrop on the apron and follows that up with some Old School in the ring. Orton surprises Taker wtih a drop kick and signals for the RKO. Taker escapes the RKO by tossing Orton aside. Orton regains control after countering a tombstone. Orton attempts a high crossbody, but Taker rolls through and hits Orton with a chokeslam. A fan then runs into the ring and some guys from the back come out to take the fan out. Taker turns back to Orton, who surprises him with an RKO and the pinfall. Orton then goes to the fan who is still being escorted out and the fan is revealed to be Bob Orton in disguise.
WINNER: Randy Orton

WWE Championship:
Chris Jericho vs. John Cena (c)
-Jericho and Cena start off the match nose to nose, talking smack to each other. Both wrestlers go back forth, each getting some offense in. Jericho takes control and hits a few high impact moves including a superplex. Jericho hits a bulldog and goes for the Lionsault. Cena rolls out of the way, but Jericho lands on his feet anyway. Jericho attempts the Walls of Jericho, but Cena overpowers him and kicks him to the outside. While Jericho is climbing back into the ring, Cena hits Jericho with a leg drop from the top rope. Jericho counters the F-U with a DDT and gets a two count. Jericho begins to work on the back of Cena hitting a back breaker and three consecutive elbows. Jericho begins to taunt Cena who gets a burst of energy and nails Jericho with clothesline. Cena then goes for the five knuckle shuffle, but Jericho counters and straps in the Walls of Jericho. Cena struggles to the bottom of the rope to get the break. Jericho goes for a high risk move, but is met by Cena. Cena tries to hit a second rope F-U, but Jericho rolls off his back and hits a belly to back suplex for a very close two count. Jericho complains to the ref and when he turns around, he is greeted by the F-U and Cena gets the win.
WINNER and STILL WWE Champ: John Cena

No Holds Barred World Title Match:
JBL vs. Batista (c)
-JBL comes out first and JBL hundred dollar bills fall from the rafters. Batista comes out next and JBL attacks him during his entrance. Batista hits JBL with the World title and a fire extinguisher. Batista spears JBL through the barricade outside of the ring. JBL gains control of the match after he tosses Batista into the ring post. JBL then steals a belt from one of the workers around the ring and proceeds to hit and choke Batista with it. Batista powers out and uses the belt himself. JBL hits a running Batista with a big boot and hits the Clothesline from Hell, but Batista kicks out. JBL goes back to the outside and brings the steel steps into the ring. JBL signals for a powerbomb onto to the steps, but Batista counters with a back drop. JBL attempts another Clothesline from Hell but Batista counters with a spinebuster. Batista signals for the Batista Bomb. Batista hits the Batista Bomb, but doesn’t go for the pinfall. Batista picks JBL back up and Batista Bombs him on the steel steps for the win.
WINNER and STILL World Champ: Batista

Icon vs. Legend
Shawn Michaels vs. Hulk Hogan:
-They lock up to start the match and Hogan over powers Michaels and tosses him back. Hogan locks HBK into a headlock. Michaels counters and sends Hogan into the ropes who hits Michaels with a shoulder block that sends him to the outside. Michaels takes control with a thumb to the eye, but Hogan regains control with back drop. Hogan clotheslines Michaels to the outside. Hogan brings Michaels back into the ring and continues to work over Michaels with some rights. Hogan takes Michaels to the outside and body slams him on the announce table. He follows that up by throwing Michaels into the ring post. Hogan tries to ram Michaels into the post shoulder first, but Michaels counters and sends Hogan into the post. Michaels tosses Hogan back into the ring and pummels Hogan with right hands. The Hulkster is losing a lot of blood from a cut above the eye. Michaels hooks on the sleeper hold and Hogan seems to be fading. Hogan musters up some strength and hits Michaels with a belly to back suplex. Michaels is the first up and hits a flying forearm. Michaels goes for a flying elbow, but Hogan moves out of the way. Hogan whips Michaels into the ropes who attempts another flying forearm, but this time hit hits Hogan and the ref. Michaels straps Hogan into the sharpshooter, but Hogan reaches the ropes. Michaels tries to put the Sharpshooter back in, but Hogan kicks Michaels off who takes out another ref who just came out. Hogan gets back to his feet, but Michaels hits a low blow. Michaels brings a steel chair into the ring and hits Hogan in the head with it. Michaels hits the flying elbow and signals for Sweet Chin Music. Michaels hits the Sweet Chin Music, but Hogan kicks out and “Hulks” up. Hogan hits the big boot and the leg drop for the win. Hogan begins to celebrate, but Michaels interrupts him. Michaels extends his hand out and Hogan shakes it. Hogan then celebrates like only Hogan can.
WINNER: Hulk Hogan

courtesy www.Rajah.com

[carnage4u]

when every match ended the way I thought i really have to wonder about the WWE and how they have any lack of suprising me as of late. Paying for a PPV and knowing 2 weeks before it starts who will win every match and by how is quite sad.

There were some good moments, and I enjoyed the Angle match, and at least the eddie/ray ladder match had some great moments, but overall, it was a huge waste of money and i will not be getting any ppv before Royal rumble unless they really take it up a notch and grow some brains in the story dept.

[DangerMouse]

Agreed.

[IrishJoy]

wow. that's some ppv. i thought hbk would take that match though

[LS2002]

Theres a big Rumor that RVD Could Return tonight

Rob Van Dam has been telling friends that he is ready to return and recently told a radio show that he would be back on RAW the night after SummerSlam. We'll have to wait and see what happens tonight.

Could we see a Carlito vs. RVD feud start to develop tonight?

[DangerMouse]

Could we see a Carlito vs. RVD feud start to develop tonight?

That would be a GREAT Feud!!!

I hope it happens even if RVD doesn't come back tonight.

I really wonder if there was some underlying storyline with the Edge/Hardy match last night. If it was really supposed to end that way, somebody needs to get fired. I think a 3yr old could write a better match than that.

I wonder if they'll follow the formula of post ppv "botched" matches by having a rematch the following night on RAW?

[Warren]

It was poorly written.

And yes, it was written. Although surely some of the blows were real.

[DangerMouse]

It was poorly written.

And yes, it was written. Although surely some of the blows were real.

Yeah, that was the one thing that had me wondering. I'm sure Vince set down some ground rules for the two of them (ie where they could hit). But make no mistake about it, they were connecting quite a bit and neither was pulling their punches.

[game354]

McMahon for President!!!

and no waste of time Diva search tonight yay!!!! :D

[beyond_th3]

wow. that's some ppv. i thought hbk would take that match though


So did I, Hogan in his hay days is no match for HBK in the ring.

[ZombieMan]

My buddy Trevor finally made his WWE debut tonight, on a promo. They are calling him Trevor Murdoch instead of Rhodes though. Trevor said that its because his dad (Dusty) is working behind the scenes now, and in case Dusty ever comes back onto TV, then it wouldn't confuse people.

[carnage4u]

was he part of that southern tag team? the angle seems lame

of course kerwin white angle is probably the dumbest yet.. it makes me sad watching wwe sometimes lately.

Raw did have moments though. Angle is tearing up the show, which is cool and a few other fun moments.

[filmstudent04]

I hate to say it...but the wwe needs HHH back on the air, i mean cmon...all other segments are lame, and cena i hate to say it also...is gettin a lil lame, but hopefully this lil feud with angle will be good

[DangerMouse]

All I know is, the Matt Hardy storyline better have one heckuva payoff.

I'll never understand the WWE writers. Maybe that's why 2 got released over the weekend.

They built up Matt Hardy prior to Summer Slam and then promptly dropped his character off a 1000 ft cliff.

[Warren]

My buddy Trevor finally made his WWE debut tonight, on a promo. They are calling him Trevor Murdoch instead of Rhodes though. Trevor said that its because his dad (Dusty) is working behind the scenes now, and in case Dusty ever comes back onto TV, then it wouldn't confuse people.

Trevor Rhodes isn't Dusty Rhodes' son.

EDIT- Or maybe he is.....?

[carnage4u]

The matt hardy angle is odd.

altough i did call out that at the PPV he would be beaten to a bloody mess. I guess i just called out the one thing i thought coudl hurt his character and they did it, then they beat him to a mess again.


its amazing what they are doing with him. just destorying him.. smoeone must really love edge behind the scenes

[ZombieMan]

Trevor Rhodes isn't Dusty Rhodes' son.

EDIT- Or maybe he is.....?

He is Dusty's son. Dustin and Trevor have a different mom and Dusty doesn't talk to Trevor much. Its kind of a hush, hush situation. Here are pics below of Trevor and Dusty, before Trevor entered the WWE. This is at a WLW show (Harley's league). They also named Trevor to Murdoch because he resembles the late Dick Murdoch, BIG TIME and thought it would be a great gimmick.

http://www.harleyrace.com/wlw/eldon60405/match511.jpg

http://www.harleyrace.com/wlw/eldon60405/match510.jpg

[Warren]

Ah, gotcha.

[HotBoy]

Now, I've been wrong about this before, but after watching RAW, and seeing the RAW debut of Candice Michelle, and Torrie Wilson, I have a feeling that Trish Stratus will be back in the very near future.

[HotBoy]

of course kerwin white angle is probably the dumbest yet

Agreed, but I think that there may be a Kerwin White v. Shelton Benjamin match sometime soon.

Shelton's match against Kurt Angle was excellent. If Shelton just ups his charisma factor, he could do some major damage.

[IrishJoy]

there's no way you can compare Shelton to Kurt. Shelton's not in Kurt's league yet.

[game354]

I hate to say it...but the wwe needs HHH back on the air, i mean cmon...all other segments are lame, and cena i hate to say it also...is gettin a lil lame, but hopefully this lil feud with angle will be good

Do you really want the big nose spot light hogger back??! :confused:
At least now we see a lot of little guys getting an opportunity. Do you think that Christian or Jericho would've gotten a title shot if Trips was around then? Cena should not be the champ! :nono:

[stunt double]

Both brands are getting less entertaining to watch. I mean, is that I used to can't wait to plop down in front of the tube and watch some carnage. It has become too much of a soap opera. A lot more lame characters come like Kerwin White, Jillian and Mexicool in place of talent. Mexi is a wannabe DX. Christy needs to get too. Undertaker's lost that dead man's mystique. Chavo's new persona, rascist and a cop-out in parts of WWE. And on general note, the divas are just eyecandy sidekicks filling in the void. Yeah, Torrie used to look good and that Candace and her Go Daddy dance, I'm like "get off the stage!".

WWE needs to get back its thunder with the likes of The Dudleyz and Hardys. Speaking of DX, they're perhaps the best thing that happened to WWE.

[filmstudent04]

Dude, jericho has just left the company for awhile, and christian isnt gettin a push anymore...HHH needs to come back so ppl can start hating him again, and DX was not the best thing to happen to the wwe, the feuds back in the late 90s were, austin vs mcmahon, bret vs shawn, taker himself, mankind, etc etc etc

[IrishJoy]

NOD and D-X feus was the best for me :D

[HotBoy]

My favorite feud was: Austin v. McMahon

[RedVader 2004]

Is anyone hoping that Bishoff gets his clocke cleaned really bad for he has taken his fued with Cena a little to far. Also does anyone really think Y2J was fired. I was wondering if anyone knows if HHH will be back on Raw soon. If so is he still going to be a heel.

[chewie]

I think Jericho is taking some time off to tour with his band. I don't think he is currently under contract anymore. I think HHH is scheduled to return on OCT 3.

[game354]

Jericho renewed his contract a few weeks ago. He's expected to be back early next year.

[slinger]

Jericho renewed his contract a few weeks ago. He's expected to be back early next year.

It was pathetic how they had him dragged out and made him beg for his job. Garbage. Angle and Shelton are the only things to watch on RAW. They ****ed up the Edge/Matt feud, pushing horrible wrestlers you know the usual thing.

[chewie]

Watching Matt Hardy lose to Rob Conway was a joke. Talk about a guy getting a push that shouldn't be.

[LS2002]

The Plan for right now from what I am hearing is to build Ric Flair up as a baby face for a few weeks and when HHH comes back it looks like they will feud.

[RedVader 2004]

The match with Hardy and Edge this week was wicked. I little bit over blown but good. The one person i am tired of the most is Eric Bishoff. I hope they have some female wrestling matches soon on raw.

I think Shelton has to turn heel with the bad luck turn he has been having. Maybe HBK Benjamin 2 would make him wrestle better. Is Kane doing his movie now or something.

[IrishJoy]

what? Kane has is doing a movie? is it called? this i gotta see... not because it's gonna be good but how hilarious would it be ;)

[DangerMouse]

I was pretty happy about the Edge/Hardy match. FINALLY, they are giving us the kind of payoff for that feud that I personally expected at Summerslam.

[chewie]

I hope they have some female wrestling matches soon on raw.

Most of the women on RAW can't wrestle their way out of a paper bag. Their is almost nothing worse that watching a bad women's match.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

i'd be up for a lita vs trish macth.

[LS2002]

Is anybody else thinking Carlito and Masters didn't attack flair.

[Warren]

I'm thinking it was Triple H.

[carnage4u]

I was pretty happy about the Edge/Hardy match. FINALLY, they are giving us the kind of payoff for that feud that I personally expected at Summerslam.



its too little too late for me

the brought matt back and then broke him with lame angle.

[LS2002]

I'm thinking it was Triple H.


That is what I am thinking as well. Because if you think about it Nobody even said who attacked Flair all JR did was assume it was Carlito and Masters. However what would be awesome is when HHH comes back on Oct 3rd instead of Flair turning against HBK what if its HBK turning against Ric Flair?

[FVD]

Both brands are getting less entertaining to watch. I mean, is that I used to can't wait to plop down in front of the tube and watch some carnage. It has become too much of a soap opera. A lot more lame characters come like Kerwin White, Jillian and Mexicool in place of talent. Mexi is a wannabe DX. Christy needs to get too. Undertaker's lost that dead man's mystique. Chavo's new persona, rascist and a cop-out in parts of WWE. And on general note, the divas are just eyecandy sidekicks filling in the void. Yeah, Torrie used to look good and that Candace and her Go Daddy dance, I'm like "get off the stage!".

WWE needs to get back its thunder with the likes of The Dudleyz and Hardys. Speaking of DX, they're perhaps the best thing that happened to WWE.

I don't think so. Austin and the Rock were way bigger than D friggin' X.

And I like the Mexicools. I'm happy that Juventud Guerrera is finally given the chance to shine in WWE. Psychosis still looks weird without his mask and as for Super Crazy. Well I'm glad he's there.

[FVD]

What I'd like to see is Juvi doing his Juice lines and perhaps one if the Rock comes back for an appearance, he can confront Juvi. That's for all those who remember him back in WCW.

[DangerMouse]

The best thing that could happen to the WWE...and us the wrestling fans, would be for TNA to take off like a rocket and start going head to head with RAW.

WWE needs competition so maybe, just maybe they can pull their heads out.

Some of the best wresting matches and story lines I've ever seen was during the Monday night wars.

When was the last time you saw a Heavyweight/WWE Championship change hands on a non-ppv?

That's what I'm talking about.

RAW And Smackdown are basically one long commercial for the next ppv.

It didn't used to be that way.

[LS2002]

Hell I hear even the WWE Wrestlers hopes TNA to do well so the WWE redoes its product so it feels threatened.

[Halofan1]

Both brands are getting less entertaining to watch. I mean, is that I used to can't wait to plop down in front of the tube and watch some carnage. It has become too much of a soap opera. A lot more lame characters come like Kerwin White, Jillian and Mexicool in place of talent. Mexi is a wannabe DX. Christy needs to get too. Undertaker's lost that dead man's mystique. Chavo's new persona, rascist and a cop-out in parts of WWE. And on general note, the divas are just eyecandy sidekicks filling in the void. Yeah, Torrie used to look good and that Candace and her Go Daddy dance, I'm like "get off the stage!".

WWE needs to get back its thunder with the likes of The Dudleyz and Hardys. Speaking of DX, they're perhaps the best thing that happened to WWE.

Four Words: Stone Cold Steve Austin

Not only could the man cut a good promo, he had actual in-ring talent (something I can't say for the past few WWE champions.) Austin was what Angle is now, everytime he had a PPV match, you watched because Austin made it watchable. Hell, he managed to make the Goldberg/Lesnar match at WM20 worthwhile. And was I watching WM21 this year to see Batista/HHH? I Don't Think So! I watched to see the return of Stone Cold. Austin is the biggest draw the WWE ever had (even McMahon is quoted as saying he passed Hogan) and ratings skyrocket when there's even mention of Austin being on RAW. As opposed to Triple H, he'd actually help get guys over (Angle and Jericho ring a bell?) Point is, Stone Cold is one of the best of all time and was far better than a bunch of steroid rejects reciting "SUCK IT!"

And I've actually been enjoying RAW without Triple Idiot ruining it.

[chewie]

The best thing that could happen to the WWE...and us the wrestling fans, would be for TNA to take off like a rocket and start going head to head with RAW.

When was the last time you saw a Heavyweight/WWE Championship change hands on a non-ppv?

RAW And Smackdown are basically one long commercial for the next ppv.

It didn't used to be that way.

I totally agree with you. During the Monday Night Wars you would see the title change hands on a Monday Night. Ever since WCW got bought out they have stopped that. What's the use of watching a title match on Raw when you know what the outcome is going to be?
They need to have more title matches on RAW. Just not the WWE title, but the Intercontinental and Tag titles as well. I forgot who the tag champs were until they mentioned it this last week.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

What I'd like to see is Juvi doing his Juice lines and perhaps one if the Rock comes back for an appearance, he can confront Juvi. That's for all those who remember him back in WCW.
:lol: if only.

[carnage4u]

i dont like TNA much, but I agree that i hope it takes off just to get wwe to get head out of their butts

[Warren]

I can't wait until TNA debuts on Spike TV.

[onelegasy]

What I would like to see are tag teams wrestling and doing tag team moves. Not just two guys doing their own thing and occassionally tagging in.

I miss Hart Foundation, Demolition, Midnight Express, Doom, Arn and Tully, Hardys (tagging)

Anyone remember back when WWF had the 3 man tag belt?

[shellylockhart]

Trevor Murdoch, who is he? He looks like Dirty Dick Murdoch, but his real name is Trevor Rhodes. Is he Dusty's son?

[Rogue]

The sad day has finally come...

I've lost all interest in WWE. :( I never thought I'd say it. The angles as of late just can't hold my interest. The only reason I watch is to watch for Taker. That's it. I think WWE lost me when they started the Rey/Eddie/Dominic crap. Interest was waning when the new diva search started..and now it's gone.

Oh well. We knew it'd happen one day.

The one thing I want those is the multi-DVD set on Taker. Man, I about drooled on myself when I saw the commercial for it.

[Rogue]

i'd be up for a lita vs trish macth.

Aren't you punny. ;)

[RedVader 2004]

I think they should have Hogan, Flair and John Cena versus HHH,HBK and Kurt Angle wrestle in some big main event. HHH turning on Flair would be so unexpected and great. I think HHH and maybe HBK atacked flair. I honestly don't think Carlito could do that much damage.

[carnage4u]

I cant belive the eddy/ray angle is still going and they still have batista/bradshaw going on smackdown.. damm... get over it.. its the new wcw never ending fueds

raw was ok last night, but only cause flair was amusing as well.... the masterlock challenger was better then id thought it be.

[onelegasy]

Is HBK a good guy again? I mean WTF? He turns on Hogan and becomes heal, loses and sees the light. WTH is going on with the writers?

[chewie]

That was classic when Eugene brought back the Hacksaw Jim Duggan 3-point stance.

[Warren]

Hoooooooooooooo!

[LS2002]

Some Big News about Raws Return to USA

rom WWE.com:

A “Night of Champions” is scheduled for Monday Night RAW’s homecoming to the USA Network on Oct. 3.

Many former WWE Champions will be making their return to RAW on Oct. 3, including Hall of Famer Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Mick Foley and Triple H. Even Mr. McMahon himself will make an appearance.

All of this is in addition to current WWE Champion John Cena and former WWE Champions Shawn Michaels, Big Show, Kurt Angle and Ric Flair being a part of the historic, star-studded evening.

RAW flourished during its seven-year run on USA network, establishing cable rating records as WWE fans flocked to the television each and every Monday night. And it’s happening all over again, so don’t miss RAW on Oct. 3 for this televised homecoming.

Stay tuned to WWE.com as more information on RAW's move to USA becomes available.

A “Night of Champions” is scheduled for Monday Night RAW’s special three-hour homecoming to the USA Network on Oct. 3, starting at 8 p.m. ET.

[Rogue]

Well, Trips gets his chance to wreck Raw again on October 3. Let us count the days til Raw COMPLETELY sucks again..

[Warren]

I never thought I'd say this, but RAW'll be better with Triple H back.

Cena is stinking it up now. As long as HHH doesn't stay in the title picture ALL THE TIME his return will be welcome to me.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

i agree. i'd love it if Angle wins the title and starts feuding with HHH.

[ChaCho]

Triple H will make RAW more interesting yes, but like Warren says if he doesnt stay on the title picture all the time, he will make it interesting. very interesting.
Angle is killin as of late but he wont win the title, John Cena still got some kicks in him, and i see him losing the title still onward, probably onto Survivor Series.


Last Friday i believe Smackdown! killed. Those matches were really good, except Orlando Jordan vs Chrris Benoit which turned out to be a bit funny, the match lasting like 20 seconds.
I believe Batista will dominate that World Championship until he goes against The Undertaker, which speakin of him, as I know his style of wrestling will most probably wrestle Randy Orton on No Mercy or Survivor Series and Bury Him Alive. And im glad at it, NO ONE MAKES A JOKE OF THE UNDERTAKER. Even though they are gonna wrestle next Friday Night Smackdown!

That October 3 edition of RAW i dont get it yet, are Stone Cold and all those other guys coming back to stay or just for that one night?

[insaneMoViEgoer]

most likely just for the show. i doubt Austin will ever make a full return. it's just to boost the ratings for their return to the USA network.

[ChaCho]

^true
but i read on WWE.com J.R. say that hes workin out, doin all kinds of exercise and that Stone Cold is ready to come back any time.

[Rogue]

When Trips comes back it'll be all HHH, all the time. We already know that..and Triple H SUCKS ASS. So Raw, in turn, will suck ass. Worse than it does now.

[carnage4u]

Thats the problem.
HHH is moderate doses is great..
Overdose all raw of HHH really sucks.

[Rogue]

When was the last time we had a moderate dose of him though? We get an overdose of him big enough to make us want to smash our TVs because he's in the family..and that sucks more than anything.

[carnage4u]

I agree.. i just miss the days of him in small doses.

Anyone stop watching the last 10 minutes of raw besides people at my house when its cena against the man? anyone seeen this done a bit to much as of late?


Kurt Angle hopefully will win the belt. That will get things going a bit.

I didnt watch smackdown last week, but the recap of it, made it look fairly interesting.

[chewie]

Raw was just absolute crap last night.

[DangerMouse]

Raw was just absolute crap last night.

I turned it off and watched a DVD.

[ilovecandace]

i watched prison break instead

[onelegasy]

Raw was just absolute crap last night.


Whew!

I thought i was the only person thinking that.

[chewie]

Just like Dangermouse said, Raw and Smackdown are pretty much a long commercial for the PPV.

[Warren]

TNA! TNA! TNA!

October 1 approaches. A good alternative is on the way, people. :)

[insaneMoViEgoer]

TNA! TNA! TNA!

October 1 approaches. A good alternative is on the way, people. :)
the tripple threat X divison title match at Unbreakable was the match of the year!

[jbailey84]

havent been on here in a while, what do you all think of Mr. Kennedy...KennedY? he should be on Raw instead of Smackdown. i think he's a pretty good wrestler and good mic skills.

[Rogue]

Raw was just absolute crap last night.


We turned it off and watched Gothika. That's how desperate we were. :(

[filmstudent04]

i like this mr kennedy guy, i think he is quite commical and is a pretty dang good wrestler...that firemans flip carry move or whatever he does is quite impressive!...kinda look like it hurts him too Kennnnnnnnnnedayyyyy!

[Warren]

I don't understand why London and Juvi have to tone down their high risk moves but Kennedy (.....KENNEDY) can do that top rope rolling backwards Samoan drop, or whatever it's called, which could break his neck if he screws it up a little.

[filmstudent04]

well, if you watch closely, he really doesnt land on his head...rather, he lands on the bulk of his back/shoulder area, but still if done wrong it could lead to some serious damage..but i recently read an article at backstage wrestling.com that says vince is verrrry pleased with him and says that he has a bright future ahead of him...i think he has great mic skills and great overall prescence

[ilovecandace]

last night sucked

[ilovecandace]

as io cna see wwe sucks ass now

[LS2002]

Oh please. IMO SD was the best out of both programs this week.

[chewie]

October 3rd couldn't come any sooner.

[ChaCho]

Samckdown was pretty good and interesting.
Eddie being made #1 Contender is kind of interesting, they are trying to get their ratings up but making that Championship match is not well thought so its interesting they picked Eddie.
Heindenreich is turning out sadistic i think LOL. He is strong and making a great inpact as a LOD member.
The Undertaker vs Orton was a really good match, kind of freaked when The Undertaker opened the casket, I was like "WTF".
Destructing thoombstone.

October 3rd seems like a interesting day, but i feel only Triple H would stay on WWE after that.

Unforgiven Picks:
Shelton Benjamin vs Kerwin White - Shelton, why? 'coz hes way better.

Trish & Ashley vs Torrie & Victoria - Im looking forward to this match, Torrie is hot as hell but is messed up what she has been doing to Ashley, Im looking forward to Ashley and the Women's Champion raisin hell tonight.

The Hurricane & Rosey vs. Cade & Murdoch - Nice tag team that Cade 7 Murdoch, but Rosey have been in the game longer, they are Tag Team Champions i see them winning.

Big Show vs. Snitsky - Do I really need to say, i'll just say "7ft"

Edge vs. Matt Hardy - Their match at SummerSlam was a really great match, nice physicallity, but Hardy lost coz of his head injury, Tonight i feel there wont be a head injury to stop Matt.

Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Masters - HBK, Heart Break Kid, The Icon vs Chris Masters....... just put it on a balance.... who wins??? The Master Lock is scary but i feel tonight HBK will stop the show by breaking out of it and delivering Sweet Chin Music.

Ric Flair vs. Intercontinental Champion Carlito - carlito is a nice wrestler but he doesnt even shine Ric Flair's shoes, Ric Flair has never won the Intercontinental Championship, and i think hes coming out to make his resume a even better one and just breakin Carlito in half.

WWE Champion John Cena vs. Kurt Angle - Wow this match i dont know, Kurt Angle is at his best i know, but John Cena never backs down, this match is gonna be a collusion of Titans, Cena is injured right now so hes going against the odds, but i dont know.... I just feel John Cena will loose his WWE Championship at Survivor series not at Unforgiven.

Watch Unforgiven Tonight at 8PM on Pay-Per-View
LOL

[chewie]

WWE Championship Match
- JOHN CENA (c) vs. Kurt Angle

WWE Intercontinental Championship Match
- CARLITO (c) vs. Ric Flair

- SHAWN MICHAELS vs. Chris Masters

Steel Cage Match
- Matt Hardy vs. EDGE

World Tag Team Championship Match
- The Hurricane & Rosey (c's) vs. CADE & MURDOCH

- BIG SHOW vs. Gene Snitsky

- Trish Stratus & Ashley vs. VICTORIA & TORRIE WILSON

- Shelton Benjamin vs. KERWIN WHITE

[Starwars411]

Yay, Ric Flair won!

[chewie]

That is cool that Ric Flair won.

[carnage4u]

we ordered the ppv, but i was in the other room just doing other stuff,,, ppv could not hold my interest.
watching the new diva wrestle is like watching normal crap womans wrestling, but in even slow motion.

cena won.. how shocking.

[onelegasy]

Can someone post full results?

[chewie]

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2005/1127098275.shtml

[onelegasy]

Very long, but interesting read taken from Lordsofpain.net on the Fall of WWE


The Parents Television Council. During late 1999, the WWE officially began to run WWE Smackdown on a regular basis on UPN, which is broadcast television. The Parents Television Council, also known as PTC, is a special interest censorship group run by Brent Bozell, the third, and they mainly watch shows on broadcast television (which explains why cable is so much more risque). WWE Smackdown was new and it ran for 2 hours on Thursday nights. It was immediately targeted by the PTC and Bozell as being the most offensive show on television. In addition to trashing the WWE on their webpage, they began to attack WWE sponsors. In late 1999, the PTC pressured one of the largest sponsors around, Coke, to pull ads from WWE television (Foley, 2001). Yes, a quick replacement ad was found, but Coke was a big international sponsor and it set precedent for other sponsors to also follow suit. The PTC attacks were aggressive and relentless. On their webpage, ParentsTV.org, they began to list WWE's sponsors and presented contact information for each sponsor. The PTC also attended shareholder meetings and expressed concern about sponsoring the WWE, which Mick Foley mentioned in his 2nd book about celebrity PTC member Steve Allen attending a MCI shareholder meeting and completely trashed the WWE.


Through this entire hazing process by the PTC, the WWE lost the following sponsors: 1-800-CALL-ATT, 1-800-COLLECT, Mars candies, Burger King, Swanson, Taco Bell/KFC, ConAgra, US Armed Services, Wrigley gum, Ford, Dr. Pepper/7up, Coke, and Abbot laboratories (Magee, 2002). Those are big name sponsors and it forced the WWE to receive offers from smaller corporations. Today on the WWE, you mostly see video game ads or brands who aren't as large as the sponors you see that are lost. This method by the PTC cost the WWE a lot of advertising revenue, as well as costing Viacom a lot of advertising revenue. It caused Viacom to renegotiate their deal with the WWE where the WWE was now paid a flat fee for each show while Viacom reaped all benefits from advertising. The PTC was eventually sued by the WWE for their actions, but the damage was done.



A devastating demographic study. In addition to the PTC, a demographic study was done that was equally damaging. While I cannot find the specific study, I did find one source (here) that backs up something mentioned in the study. The study said that viewers of professional wrestling fall into the lowest income demographics of all viewers. According to the source I found, in 2002, UPN had the lowest median income from their viewers compared to networks like NBC, FOX, ABC, CBS, and even WB! With WB, UPN was several thousand dollars less in comparison to WB, despite UPN receiving higher viewership, on average, at that time (Downey, 2002). Just thinking in general terms, what's possibly the largest age bracket for the WWE? Probably 13 to 25 year old males. From 13-18, they are in grammar school. What would they most likely buy with their low incomes? Video games. From 18-25, you have mostly college students. What would they mostly buy with their low incomes? Video games! A major national sponsor is NOT going to give WWE programs consideration. Big name WWE advertisers saw the study, in addition to PTC pressures, and got the hell out. It thus lowered the bargaining position the WWE once had to receive sponsors for their shows, which thus meant lower advertising revenues for the WWE and Viacom.


Failed Recording Label. The WWE actually tried to have a legitimate record label somewhere between 2001-2003. However, it soon became costly and none of the acts signed panned out. Dropped like a bad habit.

WWE New York: where is that theme restaurant? Viacom helped the WWE set up a theme restaurant which no longer exists to this day. Bad service, lesser demand for overpay by being in a WWE themed restaurant, and the failure of Mtv Heat ultimately led to the doors being shut. Oh yeah, it's costly to pay rent around Time Square, especially when you can't get customers.

The XFL. By far, one of the biggest money pits of the Viacom deal. In April of 2001, the WWE reported only a $16 million profit from $456 million in total revenues after factoring in XFL losses (Assael/Mooneyham, 2002). The league only lasted one year and TNN, UPN, and NBC lost a lot on advertising revenues. They promised high ratings and sold advertisements based on high ratings. Once ratings started to heavily decline, the stations were forced to give discount rates on ads. Thus, lower advertising revenue to pay for the large operating costs of a start up league. With the XFL declining, the WWE stock took a major hit. Both Viacom and NBC took a $30 million stake, each, in the WWE stock. So when the value of the stock declines, they both instantly lost millions of dollars...




WWE's declining net worth. During 2000, Vince was considered a billionaire when he made his stock available. The stock's price has devalued considerably since 2000, failing to climb above the initial price of $16 or $17. In fact, the stock is lucky to be worth $14 and there was a long period of time where the WWE was stuck below $10. Vince McMahon is no longer a billionaire and the WWE is no longer as profitable as it once was.




Lack of Superstar Power. This one might hit home, but here in 2005, where are Steve Austin and the Rock? Where's Vince McMahon? You don't see them on televison any longer. Vince, Rock, and Austin were 3 pivotal characters from the WWE's booming period. Austin and Rock, especially, were major draws. However, over the years, their actual star power has declined. The WWE overpushed the Rock as a face through 2001 while Steve Austin and Steve Austin became so repetitive. Who have they been replaced with? Guys who aren't as popular. As much as I enjoy the likes of Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, among others, they are NOT the Rock or Steve Austin in their prime. Brock Lesnar, though heavily pushed as a main eventer, wasn't drawing in fans no matter how fresh of a character he was. Triple H has proven to be just a cog in the 2000 system, for he hasn't drawn a dime since his quad injury return in 2002. New stars like John Cena, Batista, Carlito, among others are still growing and they must be given time to develop. However, they lack originality in a lot of aspects that Austin/Rock commanded. Austin and the Rock were getting legitimate offers from Hollywood during their time, whereas today's stars are in the WWE produced and likely straight-to-video movies. The Rock was such a big star that he's actually a legitimate Hollywood actor and drawing millions in the box office.




Failure in helping Spike TV boost its overall ratings. TNN actually had a big falling out when they changed their programming. Once they acquired RAW and ditched a lot of its country-style programming, longtime viewers of TNN left. Now, you basically had the WWE audience and that's it. USA Networks learned long ago that the WWE isn't a very good rub on other shows. Wrestling fans aren't exactly fans of various other kinds of wrestling programs. Sure, they can boost your ratings on a Monday Night, but that's it on the WWE. Many new shows have been advertised on TNN/Spike TV for a while now but with little success. Many shows have been placed after RAW at 11:00 pm but with little success. CSI reruns have actually been the savior of Spike TV, for like Law & Order on TNT, they are bringing strong nightly ratings. The Ultimate Fighter was possibly the first show created by Spike TV that's actually stuck with fans, but even in recent times, their ratings have declined based on the WWE rub. Now, the UFC events, that's a different story. Point being, Monday Night RAW isn't helping the Stripperellas of the world on Spike TV.




Low ratings for Weekend Shows. Mtv Heat was a major failure, insomuch that it was moved to Spike TV. The show failed to connect music fans, namely teenagers, to professional wrestling as they once did in the 1980's. On Spike, however, both Heat and Velocity have shown piss poor ratings. When the WWE does well, then demand to see the weekend shows increases. But the WWE isn't doing as well as it did in 2000 or even 2001 and 2002. They've declined. WWE Confidential was a huge bust and WWE Experience is failing as well. I can remember a time when weekend recap shows were the thing to catch back on the USA Network. Point being, ratings for those shows were up when the WWE was doing well.




WWE revenue declines. Notice how many wrestlers or office workers are getting cut? Usually when taking into consideration profits, you have Total Revenue minus Total Costs. Well, the total revenues have been down due to the WWE's decline in house show attendance, merchadise, lower advertising revenues, weaker buyrates, etc. To keep the profit margin large in the eyes of a shareholder, most corporations on the stock market cut their costs. What's the easiest cost to delete? Labor costs. The WWE has cut a lot of laborers, from wrestlers to office staff, from their budget. The fact is, the WWE didn't have to do this in 2000. Hell, they could have increased their roster, tenfold (which is what they did with a lot of developmental wrestlers under contract). Now, the WWE is stingy with the amount of wrestlers they currently have. In fact, there might be more cuts coming once Heat and Velocity are no longer with us. Point being, the WWE is no longer the big success it was in 2000.




Can't account for bad booking. Simply put, how could Spike TV account for the WWE putting on boring or stale storylines? How could they account for the WWE blowing the WCW Invasion angle in 2001? How could they account for the WWE putting a non-draw at the top for most of 2002-2005 in Triple H? Wrestlers were getting crazy over in 2000 and midcarders flourished. In 2005, the main event has struggled and midcarders aren't getting over. How can Viacom account for weak marketing of wrestlers by the WWE?




Decline in economic growth. I'm not sure how much this holds water against RAW's ratings, but during WWE's peak year in 2000, things began to go South for the overall economy. WWE introduced stock in 2000, yet the stock market in general was taking a big hit. WWE was relying heavily on internet advertisements, for they created many webpages in 2000. The dotcom bust disabled many webpages from making quick and easy cash from the internet. Advertising banners, for example, were no longer paying a lot like they use to. Then, prices of oil started to skyrocket during the summer of 2000 and most likely created a shock to the economy that might have led to the 2001 recession. 9/11 happened just before the recession ended. I'm not sure how a cooled down economy would disable someone from watching wrestling on basic cable, but I'm sure someone could argue that during tougher times, less Pay Per Views, merchandise, and WWE event tickets were purchased, as well as anything advertised on WWE television?


Quite possibly the biggest one...





Decline in the trend of wrestling. Wrestling tends to go in cycles. What usually happens is that fans, more or less, grow up. That's not an insult to the fans, for it's the truth. Think of the kids, for example. As young wrestling fans, they'll buy all of the video games, toys, and other merchandise purposely marketed to children. When they grow up, being a wrestling fan might no longer be "hip". If you're in college and a big wrestling fan, you could tend to watch all of the shows with your buddies in school. But what about AFTER college? The biggest WWE demographic is 18-25, so there might be a drop off. Wrestling lives or dies on creating new fans and keeping them watching for at least 5 years. In 1998, the WWE created all kinds of new fans with DX, Steve Austin vs. Vince McMahon, the Rock, and a nice cast of new, colorful characters. Here in 2005, ratings and other measures shows that a lot of that audience has evaporated. Same thing with the late 1980's and Hulk Hogan. Kids bought up Hulkamania, but as they grew older, they began to grow tired of it. Hogan was losing his strong face reaction back in the early 1990's and he was gone from the WWE by 1993. The fans, in a sense, grew up and moved on.

[LS2002]

we ordered the ppv, but i was in the other room just doing other stuff,,, ppv could not hold my interest.
watching the new diva wrestle is like watching normal crap womans wrestling, but in even slow motion.

cena won.. how shocking.

Cena lost. Angle won. But he didn't win the title Which Means Rematch at Taboo Tuesday.

[ChaCho]

wow onelegacy thats a really interesting report
i never knew WWE was losing money, i always thought WWE was a business that skykilled in economy here in the US. I mean you see all those fans at the arena and its crazy, all the propaganda, i just thought WWE was a monster business.
And it is true, The Rock, Austin vs McMahon, DX, and so on made great fans and stuck them as fans. WWE is never gonna like it was before, i still love it, but it is true WWE lost some flair.

[onelegasy]

With all the firings going on and the way the product has been of late, I suspected that McMahon's empire is diminishing rapidly.

All he has left on the side are WWE games and Toys. Have you ever tried that WWE energy drink??

[chewie]

All he has left on the side are WWE games and Toys. Have you ever tried that WWE energy drink??

I take it that by the tone of your message that it's not tasty.

[onelegasy]

Red Bull energy drink is the best in the business, but i don't taste good. WWE drink tastes a little like redbull mixed with 7up. Just bad, and you don't get the energy rush.
Last time I checked, WalMart was getting rid of cases of that stuff for 50 cents a drink. Meanwhile, Redbull is 2.99 and Red Rain is 1.99

That should tell you how good it is..

[ChaCho]

damn will WWE ever go out of business you think?

[onelegasy]

Likely not. But it will never be the same as it was entering the millenium.

WWE will continue to decline and McMahon will be hard pressed to keep his head out of the water.

But hey, as long as HHH gets his 45 mins per program, everyone's happy!

Right?

Guys?





Say something!






Guys?

[DangerMouse]

Anyone notice the pretty much "non-pop" HHH got when Vice said he was coming back for Homecoming?

Everyone else kinda got a decent pop except HHH.

It was kind of a hangover pop as he mentioned Foley, Hogan, and then Triple H. Everyone popped so hard for the first two it was kind of a "Yeah...wait a minute."

[insaneMoViEgoer]

i thought the crowd in general sucked. they were so dead and lifeless.

[onelegasy]

What is there to be happy about?

When vince announces that line up, people know that these will be run ins of some sort with very little meaning and no storyline development.

It's like when the Rock makes a guest appearance by running through a couple of catchphrases, heading down to the ring and beating on the "heel of the moment" to crowds delight. Then he is gone. No goodbyes, autographs or storyline follow up. Just gone.

Austin will talk some trash to a wrestler, stun him, drink some beers and leave.

Foley will talk about the town the event is held at, play with the crowd and leave.

Hogan will talk about his fans, get entered in a tag match, stink up the ring, give a leg drop and leave.

HHH will talk about himself, stink up the arena and stay the whole night and ruin the event.

[carnage4u]

What is there to be happy about?

When vince announces that line up, people know that these will be run ins of some sort with very little meaning and no storyline development.

It's like when the Rock makes a guest appearance by running through a couple of catchphrases, heading down to the ring and beating on the "heel of the moment" to crowds delight. Then he is gone. No goodbyes, autographs or storyline follow up. Just gone.

Austin will talk some trash to a wrestler, stun him, drink some beers and leave.

Foley will talk about the town the event is held at, play with the crowd and leave.

Hogan will talk about his fans, get entered in a tag match, stink up the ring, give a leg drop and leave.

HHH will talk about himself, stink up the arena and stay the whole night and ruin the event.


lol
your probably close to correct though

[onelegasy]

Do i sound bitter?

[Warren]

What is there to be happy about?

When vince announces that line up, people know that these will be run ins of some sort with very little meaning and no storyline development.

It's like when the Rock makes a guest appearance by running through a couple of catchphrases, heading down to the ring and beating on the "heel of the moment" to crowds delight. Then he is gone. No goodbyes, autographs or storyline follow up. Just gone.

Austin will talk some trash to a wrestler, stun him, drink some beers and leave.

Foley will talk about the town the event is held at, play with the crowd and leave.

Hogan will talk about his fans, get entered in a tag match, stink up the ring, give a leg drop and leave.

HHH will talk about himself, stink up the arena and stay the whole night and ruin the event.

The Rock has a successful movie career going, but hopefully he will return for good at some point.

Austin will be doing the same thing as always, most likely, but he could get into something different, who knows.

Foley has talked about a deal with the WWE, he'll probably start a feud with someone.

Hogan will suck.

Triple H SHOULD be starting a feud with Flair. I hope so.

[ChaCho]

The Rock will never come back, since he started makin movies i always believed he would come back... hes never comin back he will always do what he does now... pop in and leave.
Austin is just the same just that he appears more often.
Foley iono but i believe his time is long gone.
Hogan made a nice role against HBK before SummerSlam, i believe thats the last time we'll see him in a role like that.
HHH iono probably will make RAW more interestin........................................ .................................................. ...........................................

[beyond_th3]

After I read onelegasy's insight on the fall of the WWE, I began to think and then suddenly it hit me. The fall of WWE has nothing to do with money, for in my eyes the WWE will always be around in some form or the next, it has to do with the creative department. What made WWF so popular was the characters they had. They were larger than life, totally unbelievable, but you loved them anyway because it was your(or my)escape from everything we grow up with.

I loved the old school Undertaker because back then I believed that he was this mythical creature who could not be stopped by anyone in the WWF. I loved Hogan because no matter how much he was beaten at the end he jumped up like nothing had happened and he won the match. The Ultimate Warrior was this massive energy force that even the Immortal Hulk Hogan couldn't top. They were not really people but characters in a never ending story. In my eyes that was the golden years of wrestling, but of course all good things must come to an end. It did and from that goodness came greatness.

The mid to late 90's was the most fun I had with wrestling. It was the time where we had larger than life characters that were more than characters, they were people. Stone Cold Steve Austin started the trend, The Undertaker was no longer "The Dead Man", but "The American Badass". With the coming of WCW, WWF really stepped up there game. We had Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold, Bret Hart, The Rock, Big Daddy Cool, Razor Ramon, Yokozuna, DX, Mick Foley(Dude Love, Mankind, Cactus Jack), and so on.
That was the era of WWF attitude when these people put there lives on the line for the sake of performance. The Mick Foley-Undertaker HIAC match was the start of something exciting and new and WWF was all over it. It was then that titles changed hands often on Raw and Smackdown, when we got to see all our favorite characters on one show. Then it happened.

WWF was changed to WWE and with it the attitude era was gone. Then came the "Real" era.

WCW faded away and with it some of the best talent that we may never see great again(Sting), and vince was on top of the world. What could he do next? Break the roster into to shows. Smackdown and Raw became seperated and with that the true "fall" of the WWE began. Splitting the two shows at first was a good idea because it was assumed that it would be like baseball where the two factors would meet for the ultimate match at every Wrestlemania, but it was not so. Smackdown is boring just about every week, and now it is on fridays which in tv land means that its on the way out the door, and now even Raw sucks, BIG TIME.

The reason WWE sucks in general now is because of the WWE's new era "Reality". the problem with this era is because these characters are becoming more real. They are becoming like everyday people and that is not very interesting for wrestling. I hate the fact that John Cena is champ, to me he is lame beyond words, with his rapping and the employee vs the boss thing is so old. Hogan pops up every now and then but even the fueds between him and others are based on real events(you screwed bret, blah, blah).
The Edge-Matt battle is the lowest WWE could have went and to me it is just awful. The RAW diva search is abysmal, the fact that they hire these women based on the looks over talent is mind boggling.

I miss the days of larger than life charcters that made you look forward to nothing else but next week to see what happens next, but that past is almost gone. The only one that has kept a part of old within him is Ric Flair because after well over 20 years, he is still the character that he always was.

Exactly where wrestling is going? Even people who has been in the business for ages cannot tell, but one thing I would suggest, Vince and the executives at WWE headquarters need a change and quick or I fear that the coming war between them and TNA will be a battle short lived.

[ilovecandace]

u know this thread has almost died

[chewie]

So who's everybody's all time favorite?

[RedVader 2004]

I would like to see a match set up on Raws homecoming special where Austin, Cena and Hogan versus HHH, Angle and mystery partner HBK. I want to see it because HBk went clean to fast for my liking.

[ChaCho]

^that will never happen
Beyond Th3 that was a very nice comment
and i agree, we will never see WWE as it was before its just not gonna happen... many stars have faded away, some really good ones are coming up, but the matches are just not the same. The thing is WWE is on top of wrestling and theres no worries, yes TNA might come on a war with it, but will it make it as good as the war with WCW? never
to me WWE is just resting, I feel the same adrenaline every week with exicitng matches, i would never stop watching wrestling, even if a Wrestlemania main event was to be Funaki vs Michael Cole. to me WWE will always be WWE

[Rogue]

There is something so incredibly disturbing, yet hilarious, about this...

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/flashloops-sohorny.html

[ilovecandace]

Omg Lol Omg Omg That Is ****ing Good

[ilovecandace]

ok so tonight is the homecoming i think it might be the best raw yet ..i think they actuaally took time and thought about what they were going to do

[DangerMouse]

Call me crazy, Hardy is going to win the ladder match and edge is going to trade Lita for the brief-case. Then he's going to head to Smackdown to feud with Batista.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

you're crazy.

[DangerMouse]

you're crazy.


I was just coming back on to point that out. :D

[Halofan1]

If you're watching right now, I can describe why iMPACT! was a much better show in three reasons.

1. No H
2. H
3. H

[filmstudent04]

raw sucked....everyone knew that hhh wsa turnin....if they were smart (which by lordy you'd think they'd get it right by now!!), they would have had the heel turn yes, but have hhh and hbk team up against flair no one would have seen that comin, but everyone knew bout this and its just like what hhh did to hbk when he came back so its so lame!

[carnage4u]

I dont think raw was that bad. it didnt blow my mind away or anything, but it was fun for a good portion of the segments.

a lot of what they did was one shot stuff, so it wont get anything going sadly but who knows. the show about raw after raw was cool.

[filmstudent04]

what really would have been cool after the brawl if they were only doing one time type of things...is when all the smackdown superstars began goin up the ramp....all of a sudden the lights went dark and you hear the sound of a gong go off...taker comes down and enters the ring...and clears the ring and then the show ends ahhhh man now cmon ppl tell me that would not be a good ending...of course it wouldnt go on the air but who cares

[Warren]

If you're watching right now, I can describe why iMPACT! was a much better show in three reasons.

1. No H
2. H
3. H

Come on, he wasn't THAT bad last night.

I'll agree that Impact was better, but it's pretty typical to say it's because of HHH.

[filmstudent04]

So supposedly, foley and piper are gonna be goin against the ortons....this will prolly lead to a long feud till a ppv...sooooo what is gonna be goin on with taker...and cmon...hhh needs to become a face again this entire thing where he is hated is just plain old lame and over redundant.....

[DangerMouse]

And the point of the Edge/Matt Hardy feud was.......?

To get Hardy's job back on SmackDown?

[filmstudent04]

ya good pt!...that was so lame!, what is he goin to do now?!....i mean who do you think he's gonna feud with next?...they could have made that feud really really good like the old hart vs michaels feuds...cuz durin those feuds, you could really really sense the tension between the two, and with edge and matt they could have done the same thing..if they were smart they would have set up a match with a special guest referee, like maybe christian...and then christian would have screwed matt over as well causing a further feud with christian and matt..which could be a pretty good match....

[RedVader 2004]

I was expecting Hogan to say he wanted to tangle with Austin. He is running out of people he hasn't faced. I could see Hogan turning heel before the match. Hogan and Austin has to be a Survivor Series or Wrestlemania right. I would rather see Austin and Foley then HHH. How about a good Match Dude Love an HBK v/s Randy Ortan and Kurt Angle.
I agree that i could see Astin stunning McMahon but the entire family was cool. However did anyone noticed he missed the full stunner on Linda. For if you noticed his arm went in front of her face not behind her neck. Linda has always been his supporter. Why stun her?
HHH was so obvious but its should be a good rivalry. Maybe Hogan and Flair will team up one night on raw. Maybe its HHH and The Masterpiece or something.

[beyond_th3]

what really would have been cool after the brawl if they were only doing one time type of things...is when all the smackdown superstars began goin up the ramp....all of a sudden the lights went dark and you hear the sound of a gong go off...taker comes down and enters the ring...and clears the ring and then the show ends ahhhh man now cmon ppl tell me that would not be a good ending...of course it wouldnt go on the air but who cares

I was thinking the same thing, that would have made the ending of Raw Homecoming near perfect.

[Warren]

I was expecting Hogan to say he wanted to tangle with Austin. He is running out of people he hasn't faced. I could see Hogan turning heel before the match.

That will never, EHHHHHVER, happen again.

The idea of the match is the WWE's two biggest draws of all time facing each other. Doesn't need to be a face/heel feud, or even a feud at all.

[sub-zero]

go stone cold
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[filmstudent04]

This will be a tough match for sure...because neither one of these guys are gonna wanna lose to eachother..., and I heard stone cold isnt that big of a fan of hogan, and neither was michaels...and cmon now we all gotta admit, hogan's gimmick is gettin wayyyyyyyy old i mean he should leave awhile and then come back after a long period of time...they really gotta boost up some of these new superstars and the reason no one is really into these superstars is because they are just average joe type of guys, there are no creative gimmicks like takers or carlito's or even kane. The creative team really needs to step up and think of some new over the top type gimmicks that wrestlers used to use back in the day...i mean cmon its like every wrestler now has the same wrestling tights on, black ones with black boots...its just kinda gettin old

[RedVader 2004]

Vince McMahon hates these guys but he has to be licking his chops on the money this would generate at a Survivors series but i think this screams Wrestlemania. I however see McMahon trying to get even with stone cold for Homecoming. McMahon however just said he was more twisted then Bishoff coul imagine. What better point then to have Astin stunn the entire McMahon clan. The only reason i want to see Hogan v/s Stone Cold.Is to see Hogan fall prey to the Stunner like everyone else. I think the Rock should be the special guest Referee for this match.

[beyond_th3]

I have just finished watching the self destruction of the ultimate warrior and WWE has hit a new low. I really don't get it, that was the first WWE dvd that I absolutely hated. They portrayed the warrior as a talentless selfish a**hole when the people who came off as A-holes are Vince, heenan, and triple H(he should not have been on the dvd). After thinking about it, the warrior is the only guy who did not put up with vince's ego and it drove him crazy. And when he came to WCW despite what eric bischoff says it was an attempt to make sure hogan defeated every one he ever faced. The very last time we see the warrior wrestling against hogan is not his fault. I still remember that match and he actually was pretty decent. It was hogan who fumbled again and again.
It is also a little funny that everyone on the dvd was still in someway in the wwe, I would love to see a documentary about a wrestler where WWE wasn't controlling everything that was being said. This was a blatant attempt to destroy the legacy of the ultimate warrior, the only guy who in popularity surpassed even the immortal hulk hogan in his prime.

[Rogue]

Two words: Watch TNA. :D

[Warren]

Two words: Watch TNA. :D

Amen.