Go WWE!

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by Inval1d
Germany must be very strict about nazism yes they are. Very strict about it. I guess I can't blame them though..its not exactly a part of their past that they want to embrace. I used to work in a building that used to be a Nazi militart building. They had to cover all the swatztikas with other signs and stuff.......

[spiderman_2k]

What did everyone think about Bad Blood?

[ZombieMan]

JBailey yes the Triple H and HBK match was almost an hour long, it was incredible! Anyhow here are my thoughts on Bad Blood.

La Resistance vs Edge/Benoit: This match was kind of boring until towards the end. I really thought Edge and Benoit were going to pull off the win and then here comes Kane and interferes and gave Benoit a chokeslam. DQ match, which really pissed me off! I give it a 5.5/10.

Chris Jericho vs Tyson Tomko: Glad to see Jericho win. However, Tyson Tomko was VERY impressive. I was kind of shocked as I didn't expect him to be that good, but he rocked! Exciting match! I give it a 8.5/10.

Randy Orton vs Shelton Benjamin: Decent match, but then when Flair came in and tried to interfere, it got really cool! Shelton got Flair in the figure four and then pinned Orton at the same time! Then Orton rolled up Benjamin and grabbed his tights for the pin. I give it a 8/10.

Fatal Four Way Women’s Match: Well, Trish pulled off the win and won the Women's title. I was really hoping to see Gail Kim or Lita take it though. The match was really boring to me, I just couldn't get into it much. I give it a 4/10.

Eugene vs Coach: VERY funny stuff and Eugene did some cool moves of course! Eugene at one point in the match rode Coach around like a horse and spanked him on the ass. I was entertained through the whole match and Eugene got the win and is still undefeated. I give it a 9/10.

Chris Benoit vs Kane: This match was alright and Benoit retained his title. I just don't have alot to say about it, it was just ok. I give it a 7/10.

Triple H vs Shawn Michaels: I thought this match was pretty cool. HBK chopped the hell out of Triple H. But, Triple H worked on HBK's back through the whole entire match. Pretty impressive bumps were taken and all. I give it a 8.5/10.

[Inval1d]

I totally forgot RAW was on tonight. :(

[Inval1d]

I KNEW IT

I just read that Lita did the pregnant angle.

It's between Kane and Matt :funny:

I KNEW IT WOULD HAPPEN!

[LordofKings]

Can someone tell me what happened to HBK last night on raw? i missed it, and all i know he was hurt and in the medical center. I heard Kane did something to him.

[ZombieMan]

Yeah, Kane supposedly crushed HBK's voice box with a chair. HBK is not really hurt though as they made it seem, it was only an angle. Lita being pregnant was a wrong move for WWE. How many times have we seen angles like this? And they always fall through horribly. HORRID move, just pitiful! Some moron kid on Yahoo chat last night tried to tell me that Lita is really pregnant in real life, LMAO people are so stupid, he said he is friends with her and talked to her on the phone. If she was really pregnant then WWE wouldn't let her wrestle and if she had a brain in her head she wouldn't either. What that dude said was just off the wall, people like that need kicked in the sack. Anyhow about Raw last night. I was pretty bored most through the show. Though, Eugene vs. Triple H next week will be interesting I think Triple H will still win. They aren't going to let Eugene have a title shot this soon, HAHA!!!

[LordofKings]

So Kane hurting HBK happened on Raw? ok, because i wasn't sure if it happened at the PPV or not. God, Raw is getting horrible and boring.

On Cold Pizza this morning, Hulk Hogan said he is thinking of returning to the Ring. I want the NWO to come back the right way and cause Havoc on Raw, like they did with Nitro. And maybe a return of Sting would help.

[DarkSavior]

Yeah, Kane supposedly crushed HBK's voice box with a chair. HBK is not really hurt though as they made it seem, it was only an angle.

Indeed it is an angle. HBK's wife is expecting to give birth in the coming weeks, so HBK can be there when his kid is born. Expect HBK to go after Kane when he does return.

Lita being pregnant was a wrong move for WWE. How many times have we seen angles like this? And they always fall through horribly.

Yes, we all remember.... "The hand." >_>

[Inval1d]

:funny: that hand was hilarious.


Chavo Classic has been fired just FYI.

[ZombieMan]

Yayyy, I'm glad Chavo Classic is gone. That angle was a nightmare as well as Lita's "pregnant" angle. Yes the hand was funny but REALLY ridiculous! LMAO

[Inval1d]

Mark Henry sleeping with Mae Young :eek:

[Se7en the movie]

chavo classic will be missed, him and chavo jnr worked great together and were one of the few good things on smackdown.....

[jbailey84]

does anyone else think that Kurt Angle should have a DVD with all of his matches since he's been with the WWE? with interviews, behind the scene's footage, and such. the guy has done so much in his wrestling career. it'd be funny to here is comment the first time fans chanted You Suck to his music. :D

[Se7en the movie]

like the ric flair and mick foley DVDs? yeah that'd be pretty cool, but i'm just waiting for a sting one....

[jbailey84]

yeah like the flair & foley DVDs. a sting one would be awesome!! so would a bret "the hitman" hart DVD.

[ZombieMan]

I still need to get the Flair DVD. I'm a big fan of Ric Flair's wrestling style and I can't wait to pick that one up! Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing a Kurt Angle DVD.

[Se7en the movie]

oh the flair DVD kicks ass, 3 (or 4, i better go check) discs of ric flair action! has anyone seen the monday night war? its just been released on DVD over here and i'm wondering is it worth getting

[Inval1d]

i think it's good Se7en.

I'm waiting for the ECW DVD to come out.

[jbailey84]

i'm still waiting to get my monday night war DVD from ebay. the guy FINALLY got the payment a few days ago and it had been over a month.argh!

[Se7en the movie]

Originally posted by Inval1d
i think it's good Se7en.

I'm waiting for the ECW DVD to come out.

by 'i think' do you mean 'i hear is good' or 'in my opinon its good'?
for 25 euro i wanna be sure......

[Inval1d]

oh yeah sorry bout that.

My friend told me it's good but not great. hope that helps ya.

[Se7en the movie]

its cool, i bought the mick foley double-disc DVD instead, it kicks ass by the way.

when is the benoit double disc DVD out?

[Inval1d]

i haven't heard anything bout the benoit DVD.

I want the Mick Foley one though. is it good?

[jbailey84]

where you from Se7en?

[Se7en the movie]

i'm from the emerald isle (ireland), and the mick foley DVD is cool, his vadar match is brutal (well the punches are), there is one kinda crappy match but all in all its pretty damn cool
its also comfirms the mick foley is the nicest guy in the wrestling business.

note: if you get the DVD, you gotta watch the 'kane dewy' promo on the extras, its brian pillman good!

[DarkSavior]

Originally posted by jbailey84
so would a bret "the hitman" hart DVD.

Actually, "The Ultimate Bret Hart Collection" is in production. Yes, Bret Hart will be taking part in putting together the DVD, it may even lead to a television return (non-wrestling) to the WWE. But yeah, a DVD for Bret Hart is coming, and it may even arrive in the US as early as November.

when is the benoit double disc DVD out?

July 27 for the US, no announced date for the UK.

[ZombieMan]

I'll totally buy the Bret Hart DVD as soon as it hits shelves!

[LordofKings]

Ill buy the Hart DVD the second it arrives. Hes my all time favorite wrestle. Great Mic skills, and probable the best in the ring ever (technical and NOT BORING and knowing what to do and how to sell)

[jbailey84]

i totally agree with you lordofkings about bret.

[ZombieMan]

Who's as excited about Triple H vs. Eugene as I am?! Its not too far away and I hope Raw doesn't suck ass tonight like it has the past few weeks.

[Kyle Katarn]

How many proposals from Matt to Lita does this make? Three by my count...

[Inval1d]

did anyone see what happend to Y2J? that was brutal...

[ZombieMan]

I'm not sure, I've lost count. Anyhow, Raw sucked tonight and the Eugene/Triple H match wasn't really that cool either.

[Inval1d]

what happened with that match? i left right after it started.

[Colorado Cajun]

I liked the Trips vs Eugene match. It entertained me and the Benoit save was cool

[RudyCurien]

Eugene is a waste. They need to bring back the old days of wrestling. It's boring now, and those 35 dollar pay per views arent worth it anymore.

[ZombieMan]

Eugene is like an old days wrestler. If you notice he pulls off alot of old school moves. His character may not be old school, but his skills totally are. I think the pay-per-views are all the same too, they never get better and they never get worse, IMO.

[Inval1d]

i like him. He's hilarious even though they stole his character from someone else.

[ZombieMan]

Yeah Inval1d I've heard that the character was stolen too and that WWE may be getting sued over it. That would suck!

[Se7en the movie]

changing the topic slightly, i would way prefer to get the benoit DVD then the bret hart one, dont get me wrong, bret is cool but i do like benoit's matches better and also cause after i saw wrestling with shadows bret comes off as a bit of whiny *****.

you can see the matches that are on the DVD for benoit on www.wrestlecrap.com

[jbailey84]

from wrestling-online.com newsletter I get.

"WRESTLEMANIA TRAVEL PACKAGES RELEASED
- The WWE travel department released the WrestleMania 21 Travel Packages yesterday. As in previous years, there are two packages: Platinum and Silver. Both packages include tickets to 'MidDay Madness', tickets to 'Bacon, Bagels and Biceps Brunch, tickets to the WWE Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony, exclusive WrestleMania 21 souvenirs and three-night room accommodations at a first-class hotel in downtown Los Angeles.

The only difference is the WM ticket, with Platinum holders getting ringside seats and the Silver getting first raised level seats. For Platinum ticket holders, fans get to take the WM 21 chair with them as well. The cutoff for all Travel Package Request Forms is Tuesday, August 31st. Prices are (single) Platinum $1,832 and Silver $1,172. For more info contact wrestlemania.packages@wwecorp.com"


When you email for more info, it's a auto-reply that sends you the form. I know its expensive but all the stuff & tickets for that price? HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LordofKings]

Originally posted by Se7en the movie
changing the topic slightly, i would way prefer to get the benoit DVD then the bret hart one, dont get me wrong, bret is cool but i do like benoit's matches better and also cause after i saw wrestling with shadows bret comes off as a bit of whiny *****.

you can see the matches that are on the DVD for benoit on www.wrestlecrap.com

if you got screwed by the boss of your job, AFTER YOU HELPED KEEP KEEP THAT JOB AND BUSINESS ALIVE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND WERE THE MAIN DRAW, wouldn't you be upset, esp seeing how the screwjob came in YOUR HOME TOWN??????

[Se7en the movie]

bret was living in the past, so what if he was gonna drop the belt in his home town to a fully capable shawn michaels. He obviously thought very little of shawn AND of the fans to think that they would think less of him just cause he dropped the belt in his home time. All he had to do was suck up a bit of his ****ing pride and do something productive for the company that made him! Losing the belt on RAW like bret proposed would've hurt the cred of the belt and the company. i'll agree that what vince did wasnt right, but bret didnt help matters

[glsspder]

Undertaker looks like the angry Omishman now. LOL

[Inval1d]

:lol:

he needs to grow his hair to the longest, dye it black again. change his attire to the old 1999 gothic taker. and raise some hell! :D

[ZombieMan]

Originally posted by Inval1d
:lol:

he needs to grow his hair to the longest, dye it black again. change his attire to the old 1999 gothic taker. and raise some hell! :D

Agreed!

[jbailey84]

just got done watching the HBK Vs Bret Hart match @ Survivor Series '97 and i never realized how much the canadians really hated hbk. fans beating up on him, throwing drinks and whatnot, cursing at him. wow :eek:

does anyone have the nWo DVD that WWE released 2 years ago and if so, does it have when the nWo made fun of the 4 Horsemen when in WCW? i remember Kevin Nash made fun of Arn Anderson and it was thee funniest thing ever!

[Se7en the movie]

i'd imagine its just a nWo in WWE type DVD but i could be wrong

[Inval1d]

-- Along with the breaking news from a few minutes ago that WWE is not to extend the contract of Afterburn front-lady Rue, comes the information that another of the WWE’s longest serving Divas, Jacqueline, will be leaving the company.

-- After the departure of Terri Runnels earlier this year, the release of Jacqueline comes at a particularly puzzling time after her very recent and short stint as WWE Cruiserweight Champion, including a Pay Per View appearance against Chavo Jr. No information is currently available on whether or not the release was mutual or otherwise.


well that sucks. I liked Jacqueline

[LordofKings]

Originally posted by Se7en the movie
bret was living in the past, so what if he was gonna drop the belt in his home town to a fully capable shawn michaels. He obviously thought very little of shawn AND of the fans to think that they would think less of him just cause he dropped the belt in his home time. All he had to do was suck up a bit of his ****ing pride and do something productive for the company that made him! Losing the belt on RAW like bret proposed would've hurt the cred of the belt and the company. i'll agree that what vince did wasnt right, but bret didnt help matters

In a way Bret helped keep WWF alive. And Vince was far more wrong in this situation. Screwing him like that.

No, you let the main guy of like 12 years go out on his terms.

[Se7en the movie]

he wasnt the be all and end all of WWF for 12 years my friend.....

[LordofKings]

That was just an example, but he is one of the MAIN REASONS that kept WWE going, esp after Hulk left.

[sandman441]

A rehearsal of the closing moments of the show held in the morning apparently went on satellite and was caught. Many web sites had it and knew Undertaker would be pulling the switch on Paul Bearer at the end.

http://iwcw.net/undertaker_kills_bearer_preair_satellite.rm

[Se7en the movie]

i assume you're talking about the great american bash. Could make it a little clearer what specifically you're talking about.....

[spiderman_2k]

I ordered the GAB on Sky BO last night and sat up and watched it...I figured most of the normal PPV's are free here so I might as well pay for one....He's talking about After Taker defeated both the Dudleys he began stalking Heyman upto the cement truck, he then looked at Bearer and then walked over to the level which controlled the cement and said Rest In Peace (I think he said abit more) and pulled it, then walked away

[ZombieMan]

Raw wasn't all that bad last night, I was happy with most of it. I was impressed with Triple H and William Regal's match, Regal didn't look rusty at all. He went in there and pulled off some of his awsome suplexes and all that jazz! Good to see Sgt. Slaughter back in the ring too for a match (even though him and Rhyno lost). Rhyno didn't look all that bad in the ring last night either.

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by Se7en the movie
changing the topic slightly, i would way prefer to get the benoit DVD then the bret hart one, dont get me wrong, bret is cool but i do like benoit's matches better and also cause after i saw wrestling with shadows bret comes off as a bit of whiny *****.



Ok I have been looking in on this thread for the past few weeks before I made my return. The Chris Benoit DVD will be a big seller because he is a major fan favorite. The DVD also has matches dating back to ECW which is when I first saw him. Having it be a 2-Disc DVD will make it more interesting because in the pat WWE has put out some wrestler DVD's that were only 1-Disc and did not have many matches or features.

As for the Bret Hart DVD, it will not happen until Bret and Vince agree on a few things. Bret asked for his footage about a year ago to put together a DVD but VInce denied him and wanted to release the DVD through WWE Home Video. Vince also wants Bret to do a commentary track for a few matches on the DVD. Vince also wants to use earlier Bret HArt footage from Stampede Wrestling but Bret will not sign it over. So as of right now the DVD possibility is at a stand still and we could be waiting a couple more years. YEs Bret and Vince are speaking now, they just are not speaking enough to let the DVD happen.

I am personally looking forward to the From The VAult: Undertaker DVD coming out later this year. The HBK one is one of my favoirte of my 20+ Wrestling DVDs. The Kurt Angle DVD planned for this year has been delayed and it might not be coming out till next Spring now.

[ZombieMan]

Anyone else plan on buying Ric Flair's new book entitled "To Be The Man"? I think I might go and pick it up today, it sounds like it will be pretty interesting and I would like to hear all of his stories of being in the business.

[IamMrDJ]

I read some of it the other night at work, we got it in a week early. It was a pretty good read for the few pages I read. I might be picking it up in the next week or so.

[Se7en the movie]

nah, gotta give it a while to come down in price also i still gotta read jerry lawler's book

[LordofKings]

god, raw is just getting worse and worse.

Anyone know the ratings raw has been having lately? i remember in like 99-2001 at their peak the ratings were up at like 6.9 or something like that. i could be wrong. my brother and i used to keep track of the ratings

and HBK is taking time off because of his new kid, right????

[Se7en the movie]

is it just me or is HBK not as good as he used to be? i mean he is still a quality wrestler but his matches dont give the same POP as they once did

[LordofKings]

its not that, its just his fueds aren't what they used to be, the guy NEARLY RETIRED from a back injury, and he is getting older.

I for one still think he is possible the BEST in the WWE in mic skills and IN RING PERFORMANCE.

I would love bret hart to come back and feud with HBK again.

Actually, i want DX to come back or HBK to go heel.

Its time for HHH to do something different with his character.

And i always wondered, how come HBK took like 4 years off, and then returned? i know he was hurt, but was it as serious as they made it? if he thought then he couldn't wrestle again, then how could he now? this always bothered me and made me curious.

anyone think HBK needs a heel turn and is it possible for the near future?

[Se7en the movie]

HBK found religion and i guess felt for a while because of that.

[LordofKings]

oh so that was it. I remember they said it was a bad back injury, and thats why he was out, but then he return and i always wondered if he did it without doctors permission or his injury suddenly, well, magically healed.

if he wrestled once or twice i could believe it, but hes been back for like 3 years, right?

anyways, do they even mention his bad back anymore?

[chewie]

I love this whole HHH manipulating Eugene angle. It is something new and it has totally gotten Eugene over as a face, and maybe now a halfway heel, in no time at all. I just hope the WWE does not screw it up, but they probably will.

[ZombieMan]

WWE will most likely screw up the Triple H/Eugene manipulating angle but I do like it right now and I think it is going very well. LordofKings I think that HBK should turn heel as well and I think a DX reunion would be cool as hell. If Evolution split with Flair and Batista, then I think Orton, Triple H, HBK, Billy Gunn, and X-Pac should be DX. Orton would be the newbie to the group but I heard that the WWE is interested in maybe hiring X-Pac (Sean Waltman) once again. I know for a fact that he has been backstage at some shows talking with members of high authority.

[Se7en the movie]

X-Pac sucks and the only reason he was a good heel is cause everyone hated him as his wrestling ability was poor. He did very little. I dont see the point of bringing things which worked in the past back now, come up with some original ideas!! Evolution was and still is a great group and the best thing on WWE recently. i think a DX reunion would just end up like the nWo, when they came to WWE

[ZombieMan]

Come to think of it...Your probably right Se7en but I would still like to see DX one last time! LOL :)

[Se7en the movie]

maybe a one show reunion, then again that would make no sense cause HBK and HHH hate each other's guts

[ZombieMan]

Yeah, I just miss the those days of wrestling I guess. I really miss the 1997-2000 era. DX was just so cool!

[LordofKings]

96-99 i miss.

Did anyone else do this:

ON monday night, especially near 11 pm, me and my brother would be switching back and forth between raw and nitro.

The days of The Crow Sting, the Nwo, then the Wolfpack, while in WWF Austin was big, Rock was growing, Hart and HBK were feuding before they both left, and of course, DX

Now those were the days.

"Survey says...One more, for the Good Guys."

[ZombieMan]

Alot of people use to flip back and forth between shows, that is why there was a ratings war I guess. Certain segments on each show scored way higher than the others and brought in more viewers which was cool! I use to tape Nitro and watch Raw.

[Inval1d]

:eek:


DJ is back?!?

:eek:

[IamMrDJ]

Yeah Invalid I am back and after tomorrow when I have a few days off I am going to present my opinions and knowledge on the current topics in this thread. It is gonna take me awhile to type it up because sorry to say some people have blinders on and don't have all the facts about stuff. As some of you know and other will soon learn, when it comes to wrestling, I know my S**t. I'll be back in a day or two with my two cents, or by the time I am done it will be more like Twenty bucks worth.

[Inval1d]

cool. it's great to see you back.

The school of thuganomics is in it's 2nd semester :D

[ZombieMan]

My Vengeance predictions. These are the only matches I can remember being booked.

World Heavyweight Championship
-Chris Benoit © vs. Triple H
WINNER: CHRIS BENOIT

Intercontinental Championship
-Randy Orton © vs. Edge
WINNER: EDGE

World Tag-Team Championship
-La Resistance © vs. Eugene & Ric Flair
WINNERS: EUGENE AND FLAIR

-Chris Jericho vs. Batista
WINNER: BATISTA

NoDq
-Matt Hardy vs. Kane
WINNER: KANE

[IamMrDJ]

The only other match currently listed on the Card is Molly vs. Victoria.

6 matches on the card does not sound like much but it does give me the sense that we will see some long and action filled matches. Smackdown tries to fill thier card with a large amount of matches but they end up being boring filler type matches that the crowd can't get into.

[chewie]

The whole Edge/Orton match is interesting to me. If they are going to do an Orton/Rock match for summerslam it would be easier and better if Orton did not hold the IC title. An Orton/Rock match would hold it's own without it being a title match. This would also add another marquee match with Edge going against somebody like Batista or Jericho or Christian. On the other hand, they have been pushing this Randy Orton 7 month reign thing pretty hard.

[ZombieMan]

I think they are going to keep pushing Batista up a little bit so I can see Edge winning the IC title tonight and feuding with Batista. Also, between Victoria and Molly, I think Victoria will probably win. I hope they end the whole Kane/Matt/Lita thing tonight on Vengeance. I heard that WWE might sign Rhyno for a match tonight but I don't know who he would wrestle? He isn't really feuding with anyone except tagging against La Resistance and they already have a match.

[IamMrDJ]

There is no talk of an Orton vs. Rock match at SummerSlam. Rock is busy with his movie roles right now. The only reason he has been on TV those couple times the last month or so is because they were filming Raw in locations where he was at. Rock does not have time to train for a match at SummerSlam. The Rock has said he will make appearances on Raw but will not wrestle very often, maybe only early in the year like around Rumble or Mania when he has more free time.

The reason that Edge was thrown into a feud with Orton is because SHelton Benjamin broke his hand and is out until SummerSlam. If he did not break it then Shelton would still be feuding with ORton adn Edge would have started his feud with Benoit like originally planned. I can see Edge winning the title tonight though to further continue the Feud with Orton up to SummerSlam where they can finish it off.

As for the MAtt/Lita/Kane angle WWE is planning on running with it for the next 8 months or so, but not as heavily as they are right now. BUt they do continue to have the pregnancy angle looming.

The Professor of Thuganomics has spoken. Take it for what it is worth.

[Inval1d]

how can all three of them have a fued for 8 months?! are they going to keep fighting over the baby angle.

[IamMrDJ]

The angle of her being pregnant will continue for 8 mnonths. Both wrestlers will ahve thier own feuds with other wrestlers but they will always have the pregnancy looming over thier heads.

[Se7en the movie]

World Heavyweight Championship
-Chris Benoit © vs. Triple H
WINNER: CHRIS BENOIT

Intercontinental Championship
-Randy Orton © vs. Edge
WINNER: RANDY ORTON

World Tag-Team Championship
-La Resistance © vs. Eugene & Ric Flair
WINNERS: EUGENE AND FLAIR

-Chris Jericho vs. Batista
WINNER: JERICHO

NoDq
-Matt Hardy vs. Kane
WINNER: MATT HARDY

Molly Holly vs. Victoria
WINNER: MOLLY


there is my predictions but i havent honestly been keeping up to date with RAW as of late.

[slinger]

Originally posted by Inval1d
how can all three of them have a fued for 8 months?! are they going to keep fighting over the baby angle.

Remember last year's Test/Stacy/Steiner angle?

Lita should have a miscarriage.

I haven't been paying much attention either. I only watched RAW and SD! this week since it was in my hometown and wanted to see how the crowd was, what they did with Y2J and it would be the last time any wrestling matches happened in "The Old Barn"

Was impressed. Perhaps we might get a PPV next year in our new downtown arena if Jericho gets a title shot/run ala Benoit.

[Colorado Cajun]

the ppv tonight wasn't too bad

Orton and Edge had a damn good match and I"m glad that Edge got the win. Now hopefully he can feud with Orton a bit more and then maybe go into a decent feud with Batista

Jericho needs a World title feud run. Make it him, Kane and Benoit for a few months

Evolution needs to end and go their seperate ways

HHH vs Eugene could be classic

Matt Hardy should continue to get more and more of an edge and continue to make Kane's life hell

[Inval1d]

i'm shocked though how The WWE is pushing these PPV's like every 3 weeks or so. there are so many. but good thing DishNet gives packages for 2 PPV's for 1.

[IamMrDJ]

They will only have one more month this year with 2 PPV's and that will be October where they add Halloween Havoc. HAvoc will most likely be on a Tuesday though adn be a SD! PPV for the month.

[ZombieMan]

Very good pay-per-view last night indeed! I really enjoyed it and thought it was better than Mania, Backlash, and Bad Blood. The matches were pretty damn good all together in my opinion.

I look for Edge to make a heel turn soon and feud with Shelton Benjamin. I was calling for Edge vs. Batista feud but I think since Shelton is about to return that they will have Edge and him wrestle.

I also look for a Eugene vs. Triple H match at Summerslam.

I think the WWE will drop the "baby" gimmick with Lita within 8 months.

I think Randy Orton will go for the heavyweight title against Benoit pretty soon but will not win it.

I think we may possibly see a Jericho vs. Ric Flair feud and how awsome that would be!

[Se7en the movie]

Originally posted by ZombieMan
I think we may possibly see a Jericho vs. Ric Flair feud and how awsome that would be!

they had this feud in 2002, their matches were pretty cool

[ZombieMan]

Oh crap, I totally forgot about that. But, boy what I give to see more!

[someone]

poor eugenee and edge is SExyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[someone]

oh yea orton is a biatchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Se7en the movie]

eh......you know there is an edit button. Also i do think orton should've retained, make it a long title run and get the interconinental title the credibility it deserves

[IamMrDJ]

HE held the title for 210 days and that is the longest since The Rock won it back at the end of '97 from Austin, and held it for 265 days. I think he gave it a hell of a lot of credibility.

[Inval1d]

he held it that long?! :eek: it doesn't really seem like it. but then again if you think about it. every 7 days he holds it or wrestles in a title matches (sometimes) so that goes by quick..

[ZombieMan]

Props to Orton for holding the IC title that long. It was a pretty swell run.

[ZombieMan]

"Thanks to Don & Comingsoon.net for the following. It looks like Goldberg, Kevin Nash, & Steve Austin will all be appearing in the upcoming remake of "The Longest Yard" starring Adam Sandler:
MTV spoke to Adam Sandler who revealed new cast additions for his upcoming Paramount film, The Longest Yard, featuring Chris Rock, Burt Reynolds, and James Cromwell. In what is likely to be the smallest backfield former NFL linebackers Brian Bosworth and Bill Romanowski have ever faced, Nelly will play the running back to Sandler's quarterback in the remake. He'll also record a song for the film. Sandler's team of inmates, who take on a team of prison guards, will have an NFL star of their own in former Dallas Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin, as well as a few wrestlers."

Although this came from ComingSoon, I read this on www.wrestlinginc.com. Very cool news as I loved the original version of this movie and it should be a fun sequel with alot of fun people casted!

[Se7en the movie]

wow whoever cast that film is obviously a moron. If films like no holds barred and most of the Rock's film have taught us anything is that wrestlers should stick to wrestling and not go into movies. Also to top it off Nelly and Adam Sandler are gonna be in it! God help us all when that film is released......

also does this movie remind anyone of escape to victory except with american football?

[IamMrDJ]

Well Triple H is in Blade: Trinity and Execs were very pleased with his performance that they extended his role in the movie.

[Se7en the movie]

i'll believe it when i see it....

[ZombieMan]

Originally posted by Se7en the movie
wow whoever cast that film is obviously a moron. If films like no holds barred and most of the Rock's film have taught us anything is that wrestlers should stick to wrestling and not go into movies. Also to top it off Nelly and Adam Sandler are gonna be in it! God help us all when that film is released......

also does this movie remind anyone of escape to victory except with american football?

LOL I don't know, it might be a good movie. I guess we will see, but I personally don't think Goldberg won't be good in it at ALL!

[Colorado Cajun]

So far all of the Rock's films have been damn good imo. I mean really good fun films

[Se7en the movie]

oh god yeah! i forgot that goldberg was in a universal solider movie, yeah he sucks......

rocky film, good? scorpion king anyone?

[IamMrDJ]

I'm sorry but I gotta agree with my fellow aficionado Matt on this and agree that all of The Rocks films have been really good fun films.

What were you expecting him to be a dramatic actor and play only serious roles. People see him as a fun and action packed guy so that is why he is in those movies.

[ZombieMan]

I liked The Rock in Scorpion King the best actually, lol. Other than that, I didn't really care for his other movies that much, but I still haven't seen Walking Tall yet.

[jbailey84]

yeah i also liked the Scorpion King. but onto wrestling,

does anyone think that Eugene is a waste? and that there's some other talent that deserve a title shot/more air time?

i havent watched WWE since Nov 2003 when we moved here to Germany, but i still read the info @rajah.com and it seems like alot of wrestlers aren't getting there due ya know?

someone mentioned earlier about Jericho how he went to from the FIRST Undisputed Champion(Main Eventer), to a mid-carder, to nothing. if Raw doesn't know what to do with him, send him to Smackdown, maybe that'll help the ratings go up by giving him the title having him, Bradshaw, & Eddie G feud. hell throw Booker T in the mix whom i also believes deserves it.

i also think that Kane and RVD should get the title somewhere along the line. Kane had it once and it lasted a day losing it the next day to Stone Cold on Raw.

but other than that, i just wanted to throw my word in

[ZombieMan]

Thanks for your words Jbailey, you brought up some interesting things. First off, about Eugene, he is not a waste. Actually Eugene (Nick Dinsmore) could become one of the best technical wrestlers in the sport today. He has some awsome in-ring skills and could become a major contender at the top of the heavyweight ladder. I think his "special ed" or whatever you want to call it, gimmick will fall through and he will say it was a joke all along, causing him to make a huge heel turn! On to Chris Jericho. I love Jericho on Raw, but I believe you are right, they should put him on Smackdown to spice things up a little bit. I think a Jericho vs. Guerrero feud would be perfect and I don't care who they turn heel but it would just be awsome. Bringing in two men who were once WCW cruiserweight champions turned WWE heavyweight champions battle it out? VERY COOL! About Kane and RVD, I think RVD is nothing more than a competitor for the Intercontinental title and should be brought back to Raw. There should be a RVD and Jericho swap if you ask me. As for Kane holding the heavyweight title, its not a bad idea as long as they drop the whole Lita pregnancy angle. Kane needs to accidentally "get burnt" on the face again and bring the mask back and the old Kane gimmick. Thats my two cents on it, lol.

[IamMrDJ]

If anyone is like me and is a fan of the SmackDown game series by THQ for the PS2 it has been anounced that the new game coming out this fall entitled Raw vs. SmackDown will have online play. This will now force me to purchase a network adaptor to play games online. The game series is one of my favorites and I can't wait for the next edition.

[Se7en the movie]

the next one should be good, but a lot of really good characters from here comes the pain will be missing like brock lesner, stone cold and goldberg!!!

[IamMrDJ]

YEah they will be missed but they are adding some more WWE Classic superstars adn have upgraded the Create A Wrestler again and the overall graphics

[Colorado Cajun]

did you just say that Goldberg and Brock will be missed? Have you been smoking the crack lol

They were two of the biggest wastes of flesh ever. Brock a little less because he had decent talent in the ring, but Goldberg was and always will be a hack

[IamMrDJ]

YEah but I was unbeatable whern I was Goldberg on the game, I will not miss them in the ring but on the game I will have to start over with a new wrestler. HOpefully this year they will give my boy Cena some better skills.

[Inval1d]

Man , i totally missed the last 2 smackdown games. I have Just Bring It. I wanted to get HCTP but i never got around to get it. I'm looking forward to getting RvsS and Day of Reckoning for the cube. That game looks cool.

[IamMrDJ]

HCTP was awesome the Season Mode was better then the year before but the storylines did end up repeating. I was reading that this years version will have a longer story line mode that allows the user to have more control of where thier career goes.

[Inval1d]

that's awesome. :D

[IamMrDJ]

YEah I can't wait to start seeing some screen shots for it. They still do not have the entire wreslter listing yet. They are planning on taking the current rosters at the end of this month to put in the game.

[ZombieMan]

I pick Eugene! LMAO... Anyhow, since I'm a huge online gamer and Smackdown series fan, I will definitly be picking this game up too!

[spiderman_2k]

Yeah having this online will make me get PS2 online.

[IamMrDJ]

Well after I get the game I will have to test my skills against you Zombie. ON the first two games from the series on the PS1 I lost only 2 matches out of 300. Since then the only matches I have lost are Extreme HAndicap Matches or against my friends when my tag partner sucks.

[Se7en the movie]

i'd just like to point out that when lesner announced he was gonna leave, everyone was pissed, now that he is gone, you dont seem to care that he was ever there......a little strange dont ya thing? i mean, how can you say he wasnt good in the ring when his match at wrestlemania against angle and his summerslam match against the rock were brilliant

[jbailey84]

i was pissed and still am just a bit, but nothing worth crying over. the Goldber/Lesnar match @ WMXX could have been so great, but the damn leaks of both men leaving just went wrong.

if i was lesnar and wanted to make a return, where better than the Royal Rumble. Royal Rumble is a great ppv to make an return entrance. i still remember hearing Mr. Perfect's entrance at RR 2002 and the place just erupted! great moment.

anyways, im sure lesnar will be back later on down the road.

goldberg on the other hand, find a good story line with his character then maybe :D

[IamMrDJ]

I wil admit that LEsner was good at times. But being god in the ring is only part of the battle in pro wrestling. You have to be good on the mic as well. Lesner was not good on the mic at all. The only time he was good on the mic was when Paul Heyman would speak for him. At last years Vengeance PPV when he took on Angle and Show for the title, he was good, but Angle adn Show carried the match. Sitting there in the crowd not too far away you could see that Angle was guiding the match and Show was guiding the match when he and Lesner were wrestling.

LEsner will have to kiss a little behind if he wants tocome abck to WWE and to Vince. IN his SI interview he stated that his career in the WWE was a waste and a wrong decision, he said that he should have went straight into football and not the squared circle.

[ZombieMan]

I'm pretty pissed off at Lesnar for leaving and all of the comments about his wrestling career that he has been making. Sounds like he was just in it for the money. Did anyone ever draft him onto an NFL team or not? I haven't heard anything about it.

[IamMrDJ]

HE was not in the draft,he is a walk-on and will be trying out for a couple teams in a few weeks after his injury finishes healing (He wrecked his MOtorcycle). Lesner is going to get a rude awakening if he doesn't make it on a team. HE has too many toys and will soon run out of money. He wants to make it on a Practice Squad this year adn then maybe have a back-up or starting role next season.

[ZombieMan]

I feel sorry for his family if he doesn't make it onto a team and doesn't make it back into WWE. I heard he has a daughter, but I don't know because I never got to meet him before. Rumor also has it that he is or was dating Sable.

[IamMrDJ]

HE does have a daughter form a former girlfriend. He ahs a good relationship with her so they are not fighting for custody. HE is stil currently dating Sable adn that has pur Sable in some hot water since Mania as well. She is starting to get her swelled head again. I seriously think his career went to his head. He was like a kid in the candy store with all of the money he was making. He had a garunteed contract but was tired of the constant traveling. Hell I am not a wrestler and I realieve that you are always on the road. I would not be surprised that in a couple years if he does make it on a team he will quit because of the traveling. I think deep down he is a home-grown country boy who does not like being away from home that much. He will try to find a job near his home. I could see him as an assistant wrestling coach at his old university.

[IamMrDJ]

OK I was over surfing on ign.com and found and article reltaing to the new Raw vs. SmackDown game. It is a pretty interesting read. They have also got some screenshots from the BEta version posted as well.

HEre is the link.
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/531/531051p1.html

Here is one of the ScreenShots.
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/531/531051/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20040716033213607.jpg

[ZombieMan]

Graphics look sweet on the new Raw vs. SD game! Also DJ, depending on what promotion(s) you work for, you might not have alot of traveling to do as a wrestler. I am working for some promotions right now that are pretty easy with travel, so perhaps Brock should have tried out the independent scene for awhile. Also TNA isn't that bad on travel either, at least they don't go to other countries all the time like WWE and so forth. TNA wrestlers have alot of time to themselves and their families.

[ZombieMan]

By Ryan Cain
WrestlingInc.com Staff
July 17, 2004

WWE released former tag-team champion Rikishi yesterday.


(my opinion on it) I admit, I kind of liked Rikishi. I thought he fit in pretty well. Rumor has it that he wasn't willing to lose enough weight for his return. Good luck to Rikishi.

[jbailey84]

Raw Vs Smackdown game is looking sweet!

i can understand about Lesnar not wanting to travel being a 'country boy', but c'mon you should have known about all the traveling when you signed the contract.

i would love the traveling but i guess it would get old and tiring after a while.

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by ZombieMan
Graphics look sweet on the new Raw vs. SD game! Also DJ, depending on what promotion(s) you work for, you might not have alot of traveling to do as a wrestler. I am working for some promotions right now that are pretty easy with travel, so perhaps Brock should have tried out the independent scene for awhile. Also TNA isn't that bad on travel either, at least they don't go to other countries all the time like WWE and so forth. TNA wrestlers have alot of time to themselves and their families.

Well Brock cannot join any INdependents or TNA until his intial contract would end which is not for another 3-4 years. In order to get his release Vince made him sign a no-sign cleause which bars him from signing with any other promotion.

As for Rikishi he was in hot water the last few months. He had lasik eye surgery back earlier this year without telling WWE officials and needed time off. After he returned he became injured. During his rehab he was to lose weight and rest up. Well in LAte May or early June while still telling WWE officials he was not ready to retrurn to the ring and still injured he wrestled at an independent for his Uncle. During the match he took some big bumps and looked healthy. After that night he told WWE officials he still needed more rest. So for the last month he has been rumored to be on the chopping block.

[ZombieMan]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
Well Brock cannot join any INdependents or TNA until his intial contract would end which is not for another 3-4 years. In order to get his release Vince made him sign a no-sign cleause which bars him from signing with any other promotion.

Yeah, I was just saying that since he knew that mainstream wrestling was alot of travel, then he should have stuck with going into independent wrestling instead. I don't know for sure, but I don't think OVW's travel schedule is that hard, so he should have stuck around there for awhile if he just wanted to wrestle.

[IamMrDJ]

True but I think he was in it for the money. The money blinded him so he did not look at any of the downfalls in the beginning.

[HotBoy]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
OK I was over surfing on ign.com and found and article reltaing to the new Raw vs. SmackDown game. It is a pretty interesting read. They have also got some screenshots from the BEta version posted as well.

HEre is the link.
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/531/531051p1.html

Here is one of the ScreenShots.
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/531/531051/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20040716033213607.jpg Hopefully, a glimpse into the future, but that's a great picture!!!

[HotBoy]

After last week's RAW, is it possible that Lita is about to show her dark side(like with Trish at WMXX)?

[ZombieMan]

Anything can happen in the WWE.

[Starwars411]

Ain't that the truth.

[ZombieMan]

Yes it is!

[Inval1d]

what happened with lita?

[HotBoy]

Originally posted by Inval1d
what happened with lita? Well, last week on Raw, Jericho had both Lita, and Kane on the "Highlight Reel". She confronted Kane. She stood up to him, and basically she said that Matt Hardy was more of a "man" than Kane.

But I've seen this sort of plot before by the WWE. For example: Stephanie McMahon turning heel. Before the PPV match that Triple H had with Vince McMahon, Stephanie was in full support of her dad, but after that hardcore PPV match, HHH looked like he was going to attack Stephanie, that was when she hugged HHH, and revealed that she had joined HHH, and that the 2 of them were in collusion from the beginning.

Now, as far as where this whole Lita/Kane story goes, we'll just have to wait, and see.

[slinger]

I don't know if they'll turn Lita heel. Trish needed to turn, but Lita atleast could've had a good Women's Title run as face. I guess they'll try and build up Nidia and Victoria as faces.

Angle is back so now maybe SD! won't be so bad...

And I'm sure most have heard about the whole Hart/Flair deal of the past week. Both make points but Flair clearly did this to cause discussion and get Bret to speak out and help boost sales.

[HotBoy]

Angle is back so now maybe SD! won't be so bad...

I've got 2 predictions for SD:

1. Kurt Angle is going to be fired as Smackdown GM (probably by Linda McMahon). I don't know who the next GM should be, but not Paul Heyman. I'm getting tired of seeing the GM's constantly jerking around the wrestlers.

2. The Luther Raines/John Cena match will become a Tag match:
Kurt Angle/Luther Raines vs. Eddie Gurerro/John Cena.

[HotBoy]

Originally posted by ZombieMan
Anything can happen in the WWE. Bret Hart hasn't returned yet, and the WWE will never get Sting, so anything doesn't mean everything !!!

[IamMrDJ]

Damn will people get over Bret HArt returning. He is not in the physical condition to return to the ring. If he did return in a managerail role people would be begging him to come back and wrestle again. He will never get a doctor's permission to do so. Bret will want a decent amount of cash adn WWE Official will want a medical clearance on him before that.

Sting enjoys his current career status of working Indy shows when he wants to. HE is a family man and does not want wrestling to interfere with that. I am sorry but people need to stop looking at older wrestling stars to come back and make a positive difference again.

I mean look at WWE when they brought back the NWO. The NWO was one of the greatest wrestling factions of all time but it did not have the same draw again. It drew high initial ratings but then died out. Bringing back Sting or HArt will do the same thing. The ratings will go up initially but when fans start to realize that these wrestlers do not perform at the same high level. I am sorry but wrestling fans need to look to the up and coming stars to bring the WWE back to its peak level. Wrestlers such as Cena, Orton, Edge, Cade adn Jindrak. You may not think that all of these wrestlers are good right now but hey they are on thier way. Bret HArt, Austin, Sting they did not start out at the top of thier game they had to work their way to become the stars that they have beocme.

YEs wrestling was at its highest peak 5-6 years ago, but did allof you realize that there was wrestling before Monday Night Raw or Nitro? I have been a die-hard wrestling fan for 19 years now, Snik can vouch for me because I know some obscure info. For years the only time I would get to see live wrestling would be on PPV's and I could not always afford to watch them so I would rent them. Wrestling has not always been major storyline drama every week. Back when I was younger wrestling was wrestling and they would add in a little storyline drama.

That is my two cents worth, take it for what you want.

[LordofKings]

Originally posted by slinger
And I'm sure most have heard about the whole Hart/Flair deal of the past week. Both make points but Flair clearly did this to cause discussion and get Bret to speak out and help boost sales.


What happened?

[LordofKings]

But people like me can always hold out hope Hart will return, even if its for like a 1 month storyline or something.

MR.DJ - what was the "real" reason Shawn Michaels left wrestling for like 4 years? Was it because of a back injury or his kids or something else? I've heard so much. And if it was for a back injury, did it suddenly just heal up, is he wrestling against doctors advice, or was it not as bad as everyone said? Again, ive heard so many different things and i finally want to know the truth

[jbailey84]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
Damn will people get over Bret HArt returning. He is not in the physical condition to return to the ring. If he did return in a managerail role people would be begging him to come back and wrestle again. He will never get a doctor's permission to do so. Bret will want a decent amount of cash adn WWE Official will want a medical clearance on him before that.

Sting enjoys his current career status of working Indy shows when he wants to. HE is a family man and does not want wrestling to interfere with that. I am sorry but people need to stop looking at older wrestling stars to come back and make a positive difference again.

I mean look at WWE when they brought back the NWO. The NWO was one of the greatest wrestling factions of all time but it did not have the same draw again. It drew high initial ratings but then died out. Bringing back Sting or HArt will do the same thing. The ratings will go up initially but when fans start to realize that these wrestlers do not perform at the same high level. I am sorry but wrestling fans need to look to the up and coming stars to bring the WWE back to its peak level. Wrestlers such as Cena, Orton, Edge, Cade adn Jindrak. You may not think that all of these wrestlers are good right now but hey they are on thier way. Bret HArt, Austin, Sting they did not start out at the top of thier game they had to work their way to become the stars that they have beocme.

YEs wrestling was at its highest peak 5-6 years ago, but did allof you realize that there was wrestling before Monday Night Raw or Nitro? I have been a die-hard wrestling fan for 19 years now, Snik can vouch for me because I know some obscure info. For years the only time I would get to see live wrestling would be on PPV's and I could not always afford to watch them so I would rent them. Wrestling has not always been major storyline drama every week. Back when I was younger wrestling was wrestling and they would add in a little storyline drama.

That is my two cents worth, take it for what you want. amen to that! back then wrestling was just wrestling. great feuds, great matches, great memories.

[LordofKings]

I personally try to hang on to everything great about wrestling 5-10 years ago, from Austin rising to NWO to Crow Sting to DX to Hart/Michaels feuding. Now wresting SUCKS IMO and I would still like to see some of my favs even if as manager spots or just seeing them on TV.

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by HotBoy
Now, as far as where this whole Lita/Kane story goes, we'll just have to wait, and see.

Another reason why the WWE sucks NOW.
Horrible pointless storylines like this with Wrestlers that suck.;)

[LordofKings]

I just [sarcastic]Love[end sarcasm] the fact how Kane was burnt when he arrived years ago, couldn't speak, yet now he's perfectly fine, making babies

PATHETIC

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by LordofKings
I personally try to hang on to everything great about wrestling 5-10 years ago, from Austin rising to NWO to Crow Sting to DX to Hart/Michaels feuding. Now wresting SUCKS IMO and I would still like to see some of my favs even if as manager spots or just seeing them on TV.

Of course you hang on to wrestling from back then. You have only watched it for 5-10 years. Damn wrestling has been going on long before I was bord. YEs it is not as exciting as it was a few years ago but wrestling is still wrestling. If you are caught up more in the story lines then something is wrong. People are always complaining about Tripe H adn HBK feuding and wrestling all the time. YEs thier feud has gone on for a long time but they always put on great matches. Earlier this year on a Raw in January the two of them put on one of the greatest Raw matches I have ever seen. The reason that thier feud is on-going is because they always put on top level matches. The only other match that compares to thier Raw match is a match between HBK and Benoit a couple months back on Raw when HHH interferred at the end.

Lord people like you can hold out for hope to see BRet return but I am sorry it is not going to happen. If he returned for a month you would want him to stay longer. It seems that until he has passed away you will still expect to see him in the ring. HE is not Ric Flair and will not be in the WWE when he is in his 50's adn 60's.

OK here is a simple guideline I tell my friends when they say they want to be a true wrestling fan. It is a little hard to do but it is possible.

Look Past the storylines and watch what is going on inside of the ring.

[LordofKings]

I don't watch Raw for the Matches because 9o percent of them suck. I can watch TNA for good matches. I watch Raw, sometimes, for the stories and feuds.

I love the HBK/HHH feud as they have great matches. But i think its been going on for WAY too long

[LordofKings]

Oh, and you say Hart will never return, but from everything i have heard lately, he and vince are talking and he might return, perhaps in a few more years (not wrestling of course). Nothing is certain and only Hart will have the final say i guess

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by LordofKings
I just [sarcastic]Love[end sarcasm] the fact how Kane was burnt when he arrived years ago, couldn't speak, yet now he's perfectly fine, making babies

PATHETIC

Yeah and he killed Katie Vick too.lol.:applaud:

pathetic and dumb.

Matt Hardy is so horrible and don't get me going on Lita!
just terrible.

[sniktawt]

Oh and most of you guys who know me know I could give 2 ****s if Bret came back.
I hated him back then so now would be no different.
He sucked and his matches were too predictable and he was ****ing terrible on the mike.

[Marv]

Originally posted by LordofKings
Oh, and you say Hart will never return, but from everything i have heard lately, he and vince are talking and he might return, perhaps in a few more years (not wrestling of course). Nothing is certain and only Hart will have the final say i guess

He'll return for a farwell. But he's stated he doesn't want to be in any angles. So most likely he on't be around for anything more than that.

[sniktawt]

Who cares ??

Bret Hart sucks!!!!

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by LordofKings
Oh, and you say Hart will never return, but from everything i have heard lately, he and vince are talking and he might return, perhaps in a few more years (not wrestling of course). Nothing is certain and only Hart will have the final say i guess


You've heard? Wasn't it just a few months back you were pressing me for info about Bret HArt's Status? YEs Bret and Vince are talking but it is not about a damn return to the WWE. It is about Bret's old match footage. Bret wants the rights to it so to use it for his own personal use and future video release of it. Vince does not want to give it to him because he wants to do a DVD Release of his own of it. But he also wants Bret to do a commentary and interview for it.

Oh wow and amazingly Bret and Shane are meeting sometime in the next few days to discuss the DVD some more.

HE WILL NOT A RETURN IN THE RING OR AS A MANAGER.

If you don't want to listen to what I have to say, then listen to Snik. He knows just as much about wrestling as I do.

[jbailey84]

yeah thats pretty much what ive been hearing about Bret talking with Vince just wanting footage from his wrestling days in the WWF & WCW i believe, nothing more than that.

it was like what DJ said earlier if they brought back Bret, sure ratings would go up but after a while, it would get old.

Just like Hogan, with the return of Hulk a mania ratings went up they gave him the title but then it just got old. died out. now what?

Stone Cold. he pretty much had his last match at WM 19 against The Rock, hasn't wrestled since then, walked out on the WWF/E 3-4 times, they bring him back but he doesn't do anything, just gets old. wasting time. died out.

this would likely happen to Bret. doctors won't like him wrestle so what do we do with him? bring him on TV sure but he'll just be on TV, but really won't be doing anything. sure it would be nice to see him back, but if he isn't allowed to wrestle, what's the point? even if he does manage someone, i don't think people will tune into Raw or Smackdown just to see Bret. "look Bret is a manager now....wow....um,....a manager now eh?...."

[ZombieMan]

Yeah a Bret Hart return wouldn't do anything for the WWE and neither would Sting. It would be cool at first but then like everyone said, it would get old fast. DJ is right also, the only thing Hart has been meeting with the McMahon's about is his DVD that they are wanting to put together. Which I will most definitly buy!

[jbailey84]

yeah that would be a must have for any wrestling fan! fan or no fan of Bret

[Starwars411]

I could give a flying rat's ass if Bret came back or not.

I wish there was another main event on Raw PPVs other than Benoit vs. HHH. It is getting too old.

[ZombieMan]

Lets see William Regal vs. Ric Flair!!!! That would be classic.

[IamMrDJ]

Raw tongiht was pretty good. The Y2J vs. Kane match was great and very ahrd fought. The Edge vs. Orton match was amazing. BAck adn forth and multiple finishers. I as on the edge of my seat the entire match. Edge's future heel turn is continuing with him putting his feet on the roipes to win two weeks in a row. Next weeks Iron Man match will be a good one. I can see Eugene appearing to help BEnoit win.

[ZombieMan]

^^^ Yeah I think Eugene will help Benoit win and also I agree with just about everything else that you said. Pretty much took the words out of my mouth. I was glad to see Regal come to the ring and kick Triple H's ass tonight! Also, I was shocked when Jerry Lawler announced the "controversies" in Ric Flair's book (which I am reading at the time being). I really don't think Bret Hart will want to do that DVD with WWE now, after they let that go on the air.

[IamMrDJ]

DOn't count the DVD out yet. Bret has his meeting this week with Shane. I have a feeling that Jerry talking about Ric's comments on Bret are to increase book sales. I just knew he was going to read one of the comments about Bret.

Last week Bret talked about Flair in his Calgary Sun column. The ripping on one another between these two dates back to the early 90's. I don't think this will out a damper on any DVD talks going on right now. HEre is a link to Bret's latest Column in the Calgary Sun. http://www.brethart.com/comments.asp

[ZombieMan]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
DOn't count the DVD out yet. Bret has his meeting this week with Shane.

Actually they met yesterday around noon.

[IamMrDJ]

I have lost track of my days. I am kinda drugged up right now. I broke my toe yet again a few hours ago adn took some real good pain meds.

If the WWE wanted to cause some controversy over Flair's book they would have talked about the Foley comments Ric made. Mick Foley si very upset that the WWE and Ric would put negative comments about other wrestlers in his book. Mick had kept his negative comments of wrestlers out of his books as a respect to them. He has stopped taking and making cals from the WWE, it will take a strong argument to convince Mick back in the WWE.

[ZombieMan]

Mick is helping WWE with some sort of political campaign or something of that sort. So he must still be in-cahoots at least a little bit.

[IamMrDJ]

The SmackDown your vote campaign is something that Mick helped form back for the 2000 election. Being a major part of it he will never give up on that. HE is just not willing to work with WWE on any on-air appearances for them right now.

[ZombieMan]

I can't blame him.

[IamMrDJ]

Hey Guys Check Out the New Wretling BAttle Gauntlet over in the Celebrity Forum. Before the Gauntlet begins I need everyone's help. Go and check it out.

http://66.118.152.6/forums/showthread.php?postid=1395311#post1395311

[ZombieMan]

Done did it!

[jbailey84]

read this in the wrestling-online.com newsletter

WWE, MARVEL COMICS AT WAR OVER HULK NAME - Bloomerg News reported yesterday that WWE has filed a lawsuit against Marvel Comics to keep on using the name 'Hulk Hogan' as they are now aunching WWE 24/7. WWE has been paying Marvel rights for nearly two decades now in order for them to use the name Hulk Hogan in their products. Marvel is now claiming that WWE's rights to market the name Hulk Hogan expired this month, where as WWE says it can use them till
March 2005.

[slinger]

Ric Flair is doing a one-on-one interview on TSN's Off The Record, and then taking part as a panelist in a regular four guest show. That airs tomorrow and then the solo interview about his book airs July 27. So more light will be shed on the Foley, Hart and Bischoff comments.

Micheal Landsberg respects Foley and Hart, and it'll make good TV so the questions will be asked. Flair last visited OTR back in 2002. Shame nothing like this airs in the States, since Landsberg is a wrestling fan so he knows his stuff and gives the guests the proper respect.

[LordofKings]

What exactly did flair say about Foley, Randy, and Hart? I read that interview IAMMRDJ linked and it was a great interview, but what I couldn't tell what exactly Flair said about the wrestlers.

Im esp curious to hear what Flair said about the "screw job" match in Canada

[HotBoy]

I am sorry but wrestling fans need to look to the up and coming stars to bring the WWE back to its peak level. Wrestlers such as Cena, Orton, Edge, Cade adn Jindrak.

I hear you, but they're not giving these younger guys the push they need, or they'll give them the push at first, then after maybe one loss, stick them on the undercard.

For example: Shelton Benjamin. When he first came to RAW, he was getting a major push(and over Evolution, at that). But, after his PPV match with Randy Orton, he went down to the undercard.

There are rumors that Edge may be getting ready for a Heel turn, so maybe Benjamin will get that push yet again.

Also, why isn't John Cena on RAW?? Can you imagine him feuding with Evolution?

And look at Nidia, and Maven. How come they're not getting a push?

And where are Christian, Christopher Nowinski, and Mark Henry? When are they going to be back? Or, are they even coming back?

[HotBoy]

Originally posted by LordofKings
What exactly did flair say about Foley, Randy, and Hart? I read that interview IAMMRDJ linked and it was a great interview, but what I couldn't tell what exactly Flair said about the wrestlers.

Im esp curious to hear what Flair said about the "screw job" match in Canada I heard Lawler briefly mention this on RAW last night.

He said(quoting Ric Flair's book): "I don't care how many thumbtacks that Foley bled on, Mick Foley is nothing more than a glorified stuntman".

Flair also stated that Hart wasn't a big money draw, as compared to others such as Hulk Hogan, "Macho Man" Randy Savage, and "Rowdy" Roddy Piper.

Now, this is just Lawler statement on RAW. I have to read the book itself to get the actual quotes.

[HotBoy]

Oh, and courtesy of ProWrestling.com:

Show: The Interactive Interview (Courtesy of ProWrestling.com)
Guest: Ric Flair
Date: 19th July 2004
Your Hosts: Daniel Edler & James Walsh
Recap by: James Walsh

The Interactive Interview has become famous and infamous for our controversial interview content. We were at the center of the Teddy Hart situation with Ring of Honor and Steve Corino. We were in the middle of "The Queen of Extreme" Francine and Jasmin St. Claire's rivalry. And, who will ever forget when New Jack went ape on us? Guess what? We're at it again!

The Interactive Interview is back and we're out of control as usual! This time we welcome the 16 time Heavyweight Champion of the World, "Nature Boy" Ric Flair and hit him with everything the fans want to know about up to, including, and especially the war of words between himself and Bret "The Hitman" Hart! You've got to hear this one to believe it!

’The Nature Boy’ Ric Flair

REMINDER: To submit your entry to win one of the 10 copies of the Legends of Wrestling 3: Showdown game, send through an email to daniel@theinteractiveinterview.com or james@theinteractiveinterview.com - more details available by listening to the audio.

-- The show opens up with the Evolution theme to get everyone in the mood for what is about to hit them. Before the interview begins, James and Dan hop in for a short segment giving fans in the UK the "heads up" on the "Phrase that Pays" with a chance to win Legends of Wrestling: Showdown for the Playstation 2 console. They then go to a Ric Flair package rounding out with his classic theme music as the interview prepares to begin.

-- Ric Flair joins the show and James expresses the pleasure of having Ric on. Ric appreciates the appreciation!

-- Flair feels his first and second title reins are the most important of his 16. The first because it was the first and the second because it meant he really deserved to have it in the first place.

-- Flair did not get along with Jim Herd, a promoter for WCW at the time. So, that is why he packed up and left for the WWF in 1991. Flair encourages people to read the book for the details on that story.

-- Flair feels there is no comparison between WCW at any point of its history and the WWE. Flair feels the WWE is the most professionally run company of all time and no matter who was in charge of WCW, nothing was ever even close to touching WWE.

-- Flair also feels there is no comparison between the IV Horsemen and the nWo. Flair says the Horsemen were the true elite stars of wrestling and the nWo was not in the same league.

-- James mentions Bret Hart's response to Flair's book posted on several websites last week. Flair claims to not have seen the article but states, "I feel sorry for Bret Hart." He then goes on to say Mark Madden, the editor of Flair's book and former WCW Nitro host, sent Flair proof that Bret talked about the incident on Montreal the day after Owen died which Bret apparently had always denied doing. "He ceased the opportunity to jump back into the lime light to express how bitter he was about the way the WWF handled his departure. This week I'm headed for Canada. I'm going to be on every national TV show in Canada and Bret Hart will be sorry that he ever opened his mouth!"

-- "Vince McMahon, as creative as he is, couldn't figure out a way to fire Bret Hart. He (Bret) couldn't draw a dime!"

-- "I never said I didn't like his style, I just said he wasn't a good wrestler," said Ric when talking about Mick Foley. "Falling off a ladder into a bed of thumb tacks has nothing to do with pro wrestling. It's certainly not the craft I learned." Flair then runs down a list of great workers through history and poses a question to James, "How many of them do hardcore wrestling?" James replies by saying, "None of them." Ric answers quickly saying, "Thank you!"

-- Flair "tolerated" Bonnie Steamboat. Flair feels she cost Ricky "a fortune."

-- The promo Flair cut the night he returned in 1998 when he screamed at Bischoff was a "100% shoot."

-- Flair indeed did believe his last match was on the final Nitro with Sting.

-- As for when Flair may actually retire, Flair replies quickly with, "I don't know. It will depend totally on what the company has in mind." James asks if Flair would like one last title run and Ric feels it would be nice but that is not his objective.

-- Flair enjoyed the "CO-owner" story. He says, "I wasn't sure I was ready for that level of responsibility but I liked it."

-- "I enjoy my role with Evolution tremendously," says Flair.

-- Flair feels he has worked with a lot of guys with Eugene type characters in the past. He has no problem with the gimmick at all.

-- Flair seems unaware of the "Plane Ride from Hell" story circulating on the Internet. Flair feels it is your typical Internet stuff.

-- James and Dan then roll into their famous Word Associations with names like Eric Bischoff, Dusty Rhodes, Triple H, Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels, Vince McMahon, and more!

-- James opens the floor for Flair to end by doing a "hard sell" for his book. Flair says he does not need to give a hard sell. "I'm the only guy to have wrestled everybody from Bruiser Brody to the Rock. Bret Hart never wrestled anybody except in the WWE. When the WWF was hot, he was in the Hart Foundation. He didn't have to draw any money. He rode around on Hogan's coat tails... Then, when they made him champion here, he couldn't draw a dime -- They couldn't wait to get rid of him. Then he came to WCW and he bombed. Would you say that's pretty accurate?" The question is attempted to be brushed off by James who attempts to use his Fifth Amendment right not to answer on the grounds it might incriminate him. Flair pressures James and James attempts to respectfully agree to disagree taking up for Bret. Flair hits James with some big questions like "Why did the WWE get rid of him?" and "Did he make any money in WCW?" James attempts to avoid answering as the two agree to disagree and James thanks Flair for being a part of the show.

-- James and Dan then do a recap of the show talking about the interview, the new Legends of Wrestling game, and they spin the new Dokken record "Hell to Play" playing "Escape" off the record.

[Colorado Cajun]

Originally posted by HotBoy
I hear you, but they're not giving these younger guys the push they need, or they'll give them the push at first, then after maybe one loss, stick them on the undercard.

For example: Shelton Benjamin. When he first came to RAW, he was getting a major push(and over Evolution, at that). But, after his PPV match with Randy Orton, he went down to the undercard.

There are rumors that Edge may be getting ready for a Heel turn, so maybe Benjamin will get that push yet again.

Also, why isn't John Cena on RAW?? Can you imagine him feuding with Evolution?

And look at Nidia, and Maven. How come they're not getting a push?

And where are Christian, Christopher Nowinski, and Mark Henry? When are they going to be back? Or, are they even coming back? Benjamin, Christian. Nowinski and Henry are all injured last I heard

[ZombieMan]

^^^ Yeah, Christian is out with a back injury, and I think it was spasms in particular. I heard Benjamin is out due to a broken hand and I'm not sure what happend to Henry. I also hear that Christian and Benjamin are both almost ready for returns though!

[LS2002]

Look for a Familar Face that we haven't seen for awhile to come back on SD tomorrow Night.

[HotBoy]

SPOILER ALERT!!! SPOILER ALERT!!! If you don't want to know what'll happen tomorrow night on SMACKDOWN, don't read any further. But for those of you who do, check it out:

**SPOILERS** WWE Smackdown Taping Results
Story By: Ryan Cain
July 21, 2004

[Credit: PWInsider.com]

Billy Krotchsen called in the following results from the Smackdown taping in Philadelphia, PA:

Velocity:

*Rob Van Dam pinned Rene Dupree with the five star frog splash.

Smackdown:

*Kurt Angle comes to the ring with Luther Reigns and cuts a promo explaining that he had to do what he could do to make sure Eddie Guerrero didn't win the WWE championship. Angle said he wants Guerrero to apologize for winning the belt, tonight in order to keep his job. Angle turns his attention to ring announcer Tony Chimmel and said he announced Guerrero as the WWE champion when he won the belt. He makes Chimmel apologize for doing that in order to keep his job, but then turns around and fires him anyway.

*Josh Matthews is now the ring announcer on Smackdown.

*Spike Dudley defeated Chavo Guerrero and Jamie Noble, with Spike pinning Guerrero with the Dudley Dog to become the number one contender for the Cruiserweight championship.

*Backstage, the Divas come up to Kurt Angle and complain about being misused and underutilized. Angle agreed and announced a Fatal Four Way Lingerie match for later on with Sable vs. Dawn Marie vs. Torrie Wilson vs. Miss Jackie

*The Dudley Boyz cut a promo on the Titantron only for the Philadelphia crowd, talking about their time in "Extremely Crappy Wrestling" to insure they get a heel response when they come out later.

Also scheduled for tonight is Luther Reigns vs. John Cena and John Bradshaw Layfield's "Rocky Challenge."

*Bubba Ray Dudley pinned WWE Tag Team champion Billy Kidman.

*Backstage, Funaki interviewed Booker T and Kurt Angle. Angle told Booker that he was going to name him the new United States champion next week once he had it cleared with the Board of Directors. Funaki said that that wasn't fair, so Angle fired him for not knowing "how to speak English."

*Backstage, The Dudley Boyz came up to Spike Dudley and noted how they all have title shots next week. Spike blew them off and said that he didn't want anything to do with them. They promised they wouldn't interfere next week as long as Spike didn't interfere in D-Von's match with Rey Mysterio later tonight. Spike agreed and walked off.

*WWE champion John Bradshaw Layfield came out and said that since he's in Philadelphia, where the Rocky film was shot, he was laying out a Rocky challenge for someone to try and defeat him and if they did, they could have a title shot at Summerslam. Out came Mike Kruel (USA Pro/ECWA who has worked a lot of dark and TV shots for WWE) who Layfield beats easily. Layfield says that he guesses he doesn't have a match at Summerslam. The lights go out and the Undertaker gong hits. Undertaker comes out and faces off with Layfield. Undertaker chokeslams Layfield and takes the ring mic. "You...me...Summerslam." He says and walks off.

*The divas came down for their Fatal Four Way Lingere match featuring Sable vs. Miss Jackie vs. Torrie Wilson vs. Dawn Marie. Kurt Angle came out and fired all of them.

*Rey Mysterio pinned D-Von Dudley. Bubba Ray Dudley tried to interfere but Paul London and Billy Kidman came out.

*John Cena pinned Luther Reigns after Booker T attempted to interfere, but it backfired.

*Kurt Angle came to the ring and called out Eddie Guerrero, telling him it was time to apologize because "You don't cross the boss." Vince McMahon's music hit and he came to the ring. McMahon told Angle that he lied to all the fans about his injury, but more importantly, he lied to Vince. Vince said that he was going to get a humanitarian award for making a handicapped person a General Manager, but that is out the window because Angle lied. He told Angle that he was fired as General Manager, but was back on the active roster. McMahon announced he would be facing Eddie Guerrero at Summerslam. Guerrero came out in his low rider. McMahon got in the car and made it bounce.

Guerrero left and McMahon came back to the ring. He told Angle that he had to apologize to everyone he fired tonight, and brought them out. Angle apologized to Funaki and Tony Chimmel but refused to apologize to the divas. Vince told him he was going to have to join the "Kiss My A**" club for the divas. Angle refused and offered to kiss Vince's A**. Vince said No because he has a "Special A**." He gave 10 seconds to kiss or apologize. Angle apologized. Vince said that Angle now has to apologize to him. Angle got on his knees but instead low blowed McMahon. Everyone checked on McMahon as Angle escaped.

[jbailey84]

love it when Angle is a heel. also love it when The Rock is a heel too :D

[Colorado Cajun]

Rock is great nomatter what he does. Kurt is also damn good as a heel or face, but I still can't help but think of him in the little cowboy hat following Austin around lol

that was the best Kurt ever imo

[slinger]

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Rock is great nomatter what he does. Kurt is also damn good as a heel or face, but I still can't help but think of him in the little cowboy hat following Austin around lol

that was the best Kurt ever imo

:D I remember watching that night. Hopefully Kurt can eek out two more years as an active wrestler.

Any rumours of the Elimination Chamber being brought back for SummerSlam?

You could put Benoit, Jericho, Eguene, Kane, Batista and HHH into it. Stick Orton/Edge in a ladder match.

[jbailey84]

havent heard any yet. a ladder match would be awesome Orton/Edge!

[ZombieMan]

Joanie "Chyna" Laurer was a guest on Howard Stern today and provided some very interesting details.
Teased about her masculinity from start to finish, the former WWE wrestler claimed that X-Pac had already made the decision to return to WWE when he gets out of rehab. They recently broke up due to X-Pac's decision, and she claims that HHH got him back into WWE.

Additionally, Chyna released news that she and X-Pac apparently have a sex tape that she is willing to release. However, she fears that due to X-Pac's likely involvement with WWE, the tape's release may be blocked. A representative from Steppin Out Magazine called and claimed he heard their sex tape was hot.

Credit: PWInsider.com

[ZombieMan]

^^^ Yet another celebrity sex tape, oh great. Anyhow, I will be glad to see X-Pac make his WWE return! I always did like him.

[Colorado Cajun]

I've always liked X-Pac as well. When he returns I wonder what they'll do with him though

Chyna in a sex tape LOL!

[Warren]

Chyna? In a sex tape?

:nono: :waa:

[jbailey84]

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
I've always liked X-Pac as well. When he returns I wonder what they'll do with him though maybe have him join Evolution? yeah X-pac was a cool guy

[Inval1d]

i would like to see the chyna tape ;)

[MarvelMania77]

Will Stonecold ever return.......

The Rock should not return until Wrestliemania next year, he is filming at least two movies.......

Kurt Angle needs to get back in the Ring......

Brock needs to come back to Wrestling and forget Football......

We need better storylines on Raw and I believe Raw and Smackdown need to come back together......

Let Hulk Hogan make one last run, maybe as a manager....

Those are just a few thoughts on what would make Wrestling better

[jbailey84]

oh great now he's telling us on what to make wrestling better. first Star Wars now here...

ANYWAYS, from wrestlingonline.com newsletter

"CENA TO STAR IN FIRST WWE MOVIE
- The Hollywood Reporter is reporting today that John Cena will be the star of the first WWE produced movie, titled 'The Marine'. The story is about an injured marine who returns from war to find his girlfriend nadvertently caught up in a kidnapping. It will be the first movie through WWE Films and has a budget of $15 million. Their first original movie involving Triple H is currently on hold, and the company will move forward with 'The Marine'."

[Colorado Cajun]

Cena has a good shot at being able to be a decent actor. Give him a coach and he could be decent. He has the personality and ability to improvise on the fly

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by MarvelMania77
Will Stonecold ever return.......

The Rock should not return until Wrestliemania next year, he is filming at least two movies.......

Kurt Angle needs to get back in the Ring......

Brock needs to come back to Wrestling and forget Football......

We need better storylines on Raw and I believe Raw and Smackdown need to come back together......

Let Hulk Hogan make one last run, maybe as a manager....

Those are just a few thoughts on what would make Wrestling better

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Why don't you just say that Goldberg should come back as well.

[ZombieMan]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
Why don't you just say that Goldberg should come back as well.

NOOOO PLEASE DJ, lets pray to god that we won't see that happen, EVER! :clown:

[someone]

Why dont You guys like Goldberg?

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by someone
Why dont You guys like Goldberg?

The real question is... Why Should we like him.


Also, Hogan has announced that he will not be returning to the WWE again. He just had his knee replaced after blowing it out in Japan. He is also helping his daughter with her music career (Please no comments about this).

[Marv]

I e njoyed Goldberg's last match at Wrestlemania. But it wasn't for the quality of the match itself......... Too bad they ruined it on the DVD.

[LS2002]

What was HHH Movie going to be called another Real Life Pinoccio LOL

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by Marv
I e njoyed Goldberg's last match at Wrestlemania. But it wasn't for the quality of the match itself......... Too bad they ruined it on the DVD.

The match was horrible. BRock and Goldberg looked at one another for almost 5 minutes. THis match was so bad that I started cleaning my party up during the damn match. The DVD didn't ruin it at all, it showed it for what it was, a boring crap match.

[Inval1d]

plus it wasn't even that long.

Everyone raved about it and was anticipating it but then when it happened, like DJ said half of the match was a staredown and then a couple hits and BOOM, finisher, and winner.

I don't know if they edited the crowd on the DVD but they were against brock the whole way. :funny:

[LordofKings]

Goldberg was a great part of WCW when it was at the top. Goldberg needs that badass don't f**k with me attitude as his gimic, and then he's good.

WWE, IMO, should have done with him what WCW did, make him someone who just beats ass. Maybe not as long as a streak as in WCW, but still, I remember someone like Christian giving Goldberg trouble. Come on. Goldberg has that look, that he can beat your ass.

IMO they wasted Goldberg in WWE. If they would have made him more of a no nonsense type badass who beats the hell out of his opponets (except main event opponets) then he might have been liked more. He was loved in WCW.

When he was in WCW everyone wanted him to face Austin.

I just think they wasted Goldberg for most of his time there. But he did SUCK on the Mic, so that hurts him. Thats what was good about him in WCW, he didn't talk and just beat the hell out of everyone. Thats how I liked him and how the world seemed to like him best.

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by LordofKings
Goldberg was a great part of WCW when it was at the top. Goldberg needs that badass don't f**k with me attitude as his gimic, and then he's good.

WWE, IMO, should have done with him what WCW did, make him someone who just beats ass. Maybe not as long as a streak as in WCW, but still, I remember someone like Christian giving Goldberg trouble. Come on. Goldberg has that look, that he can beat your ass.

IMO they wasted Goldberg in WWE. If they would have made him more of a no nonsense type badass who beats the hell out of his opponets (except main event opponets) then he might have been liked more. He was loved in WCW.

When he was in WCW everyone wanted him to face Austin.

I just think they wasted Goldberg for most of his time there. But he did SUCK on the Mic, so that hurts him. Thats what was good about him in WCW, he didn't talk and just beat the hell out of everyone. Thats how I liked him and how the world seemed to like him best.

Goldberg was a great part of WCW when they were headed downhill. The created his gimmick to draw fans back in and yes that planned worked for awhile. But I, like a number of my friends got tired of the win streak and his badass attitude. The WWE made a big mistake by bringing him back to wrestling in the first place. Everyone still remembered him from his win streak days and the WWE did not want to have him go on a winning streak again. Goldberg was just there to dominate he did not have any real in-ring skills. He has a total of four maybe five moves and that includes his finisher. He did not know how to take bumps and was a waste of money because he would only work a few television appearances a month and would rarely work house shows. He was in it for the money and when his contract was set to expire this year he was told he would get the same amount of money but would have to wrestle more shows and his declined. HIs gimmick like a number of the gimmicks WCW created were worthless, and by the time they got to WWE they were just boring.

[Marv]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
The match was horrible. BRock and Goldberg looked at one another for almost 5 minutes. THis match was so bad that I started cleaning my party up during the damn match. The DVD didn't ruin it at all, it showed it for what it was, a boring crap match.

I think you missed what I was saying.

"I enjoyed Goldberg's last match at Wrestlemania. But it wasn't for the quality of the match itself......... Too bad they ruined it on the DVD."

What I meant by that is that I found it pretty funny the way the crowd was acting. The chants they were doing, etc.. Then they changed it on the DVD. That's why I said too bad they ruined it on DVD.

[IamMrDJ]

Well either way Goldberg should not have been on the card at all. He should not have been in the WWE in the first place. He was a big baby when he was told he was going to lose the title adn was even more upset when hefound out he would not be getting the belt back.

[Marv]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
Well either way Goldberg should not have been on the card at all. He should not have been in the WWE in the first place. He was a big baby when he was told he was going to lose the title adn was even more upset when hefound out he would not be getting the belt back.

I don't know, I enjoyed his feud with the Rock. Gillberg coming in was funny. It was also really funny when Rock took off with Goldberg's car and Goldberg took off on foot. That just made him look like an idiot.

But still though. I'd rather see Goldberg with a world title. Than Bradshaw.

[IamMrDJ]

I would rather see Bradshaw (not JBL) with a World Title. I would rather not see Goldberg ever again. I am not the only one who thinks this way either. Life long wrestling fans realize this and are not blinded by his WCW legacy.

[Marv]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
I would rather see Bradshaw (not JBL) with a World Title. I would rather not see Goldberg ever again. I am not the only one who thinks this way either. Life long wrestling fans realize this and are not blinded by his WCW legacy.

I am a life long fan ever since I was a little kid. I'd just rather see someone that's a dominate force (or at least booked that way). I know people hate Goldberg with a passion. Hell, I don't really like his wrestling style very much. But his failure wasn't all on him. Some fans probably didn't have a clue or much of one who he was. The WWE didn't even booked him wrong right from the start. He was in a comedy sketch just a week or two after his debut with Goldust.

Bradshaw is a lot more boring to watch in the ring than Goldberg though. I'm still having nightmares from Bradshaw's feud with Scott Hall.

I mean, whether people hated Goldberg or not. There's a reason why SD's last few PPVs couldn't draw squat. And it's not a lack on Eddie Guerrero's part. It's the fact he didn't have a main event draw against him. The crappy booking doesn't help matters either (dq finish in a title match at a PPV?).

Seriously man, I hate to be negative towards wrestling. But the Bradshaw/UT match is going to be a trainwreck.

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by Marv
I am a life long fan ever since I was a little kid. I'd just rather see someone that's a dominate force (or at least booked that way). I know people hate Goldberg with a passion. Hell, I don't really like his wrestling style very much. But his failure wasn't all on him. Some fans probably didn't have a clue or much of one who he was. The WWE didn't even booked him wrong right from the start. He was in a comedy sketch just a week or two after his debut with Goldust.

Bradshaw is a lot more boring to watch in the ring than Goldberg though. I'm still having nightmares from Bradshaw's feud with Scott Hall.

I mean, whether people hated Goldberg or not. There's a reason why SD's last few PPVs couldn't draw squat. And it's not a lack on Eddie Guerrero's part. It's the fact he didn't have a main event draw against him. The crappy booking doesn't help matters either (dq finish in a title match at a PPV?).

Seriously man, I hate to be negative towards wrestling. But the Bradshaw/UT match is going to be a trainwreck.

Ok so you have been a life long fan since you were a little kid, how old are you now 16 maybe 17? You can't blame fans for not knowing who Goldberg was. Any wrestling fan who turned on a television or even looked at a wrestling magazine knew who exactly Goldberg was. Bradshaw was a great wrestler when he was teamed up with Farooq, yes he does not make a great champion right now. But he is not meant to be a long-term champion. The last couple SD PPV's have not bombed just because of the damn Main Event most of the entire card sucked. You can't blame an entire PV on one match, it just is not reasonable. Like I said earlier this week if you are a true wrestling fan you will not look at the gimmick or angle of the wrestler and will instead focus on the talent that they have in the ring.

[ZombieMan]

Originally posted by Marv
Seriously man, I hate to be negative towards wrestling. But the Bradshaw/UT match is going to be a trainwreck.

LOL, I actually have to agree with that! I think it will be worse than a trainwreck. Its probably gonna suck something horrible! I just don't think that either wrestler has "it" anymore like they use to.

[Marv]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
Ok so you have been a life long fan since you were a little kid, how old are you now 16 maybe 17? You can't blame fans for not knowing who Goldberg was. Any wrestling fan who turned on a television or even looked at a wrestling magazine knew who exactly Goldberg was. Bradshaw was a great wrestler when he was teamed up with Farooq, yes he does not make a great champion right now. But he is not meant to be a long-term champion. The last couple SD PPV's have not bombed just because of the damn Main Event most of the entire card sucked. You can't blame an entire PV on one match, it just is not reasonable. Like I said earlier this week if you are a true wrestling fan you will not look at the gimmick or angle of the wrestler and will instead focus on the talent that they have in the ring.

I'm just a year younger than you. But I've been watching since the late 80s. I have every single Raw (and SD) shortly after their first years all the way up until 2001. I don't have any Nitro or Thunder tapes, but I do have select telecasts. I also have just about every single WWE PPV on tape or DVD.

And I tounge tied myself earlier.

I meant to say "The WWE even booked him wrong, right from the start. He was in a comedy sketch just a week or two after his debut with Goldust."

But I'm not going to talk about Goldy anymore, that'd take another whole post for me to give my thoughts on how the WWE screwed up a potential explosion with Goldberg.

Onto PPV thoughts.

It's not fair, but in my belief, you can blame a whole PPV on one match. This is because your normal fan is a "casual" one. Yes, people who really love wrestling will appreciate a great mid-card. But face it, the WWE hasn't booked a decent mid-card since their Attitude Era.

I think regardless of how your mid-card is, the main event should always have something "eye-popping" to the fan and entice them to buy a PPV just based off that match alone. The dominate storylines of your mid-week shows will evolve around the main event, if you don't have a great storyline with that, then people won't buy into the whole scheme of things. The main event is your PPV selling point. It shouldn't be, "well we have a crappy main event, but we have a great mid-card!" Let me put it this way. If the WWE was truly trying to sell the fans "the mid-card" also, they wouldn't be discussing the main event angle during a mid-card match on a Raw or SD. If you're going to build it like so, you need to deliver.

I mean, they've named entire PPV's just based off the main event or idea of a PPV.

Armageddon = HHH vs Vince McMahon in 1999
Bad Blood = HHH vs Kevin Nash HIAC 2003
Rock Bottom = The Rock vs Mankind
St. Valentine's Day Massacre = Austin vs Vince McMahon
Royal Rumble = For the Rumble itself

One match can make or break a PPV. And that match should be the main event. If the mid-card has great matches and the main event falters, than it's a failure of a PPV IMO.

Now, Bradshaw is a whole 'nother can of worms that I'm not going to get too much into. To me, you need to properly build someone up before pushing them up to main event status. He switches gimmicks and enters straight into the main event. I'm sorry, but it makes no sense to be on a mediocre tag team, and then be pushed to World Title just because you start riding in a limo with a cowboy hat. Now, the gimmick does have potential. But it should've been built up. Not shoved down our throats.

Look, I enjoy nothing more than a technician-fest of a match. But to me, it's a taboo subject when saying someone that's a true wrestling fan will only focus on the talent in the ring, especially with the WWE. The WWE is firstly "entertainment." It's a huge spectacle. If you want to watch the most talented wrestlers, you would be better off watching elsewhere than the WWE. Not to say the WWE doesn't have it's share of talent. But in the world of the WWE, there are plenty of wrestlers roaming without as much talent as others on the Indys. But several things will put talent on the backburner. Charisma, the right angle, and luck will take you places.

John Cena is a great example. Now look at his fanbase. I'm sure most people will agree he's not the most technical wrestler out there. But it's unfair to call his fans, not true wrestling fans.

Hell, the man who changed the industry, Hulk Hogan, isn't even a decent wrestler according to the majority of the industry. And believe me, fans didn't love him for his 5 star matches.

You're basically saying thousands upon thousands of people who loved Hulk Hogan during his huge boom weren't true wrestling fans.

That's my thoughts in a nutshell at 2 in the morning.

[Marv]

Originally posted by ZombieMan
LOL, I actually have to agree with that! I think it will be worse than a trainwreck. Its probably gonna suck something horrible! I just don't think that either wrestler has "it" anymore like they use to.

Yeah. I was dissappointed with UT's return at WM, mainly because he looked like the "American Dead-Ass" as people like to refer to him as. I don't mind the hybrid, but he was billed as the Old-School UT.

Sadly no matter the outcome. Smackdown loses. Bradshaw isn't even ready for the main event scene yet. And Undertaker's character is just too one-dimensional for my taste.

[Se7en the movie]

Originally posted by Marv
It's not fair, but in my belief, you can blame a whole PPV on one match. This is because your normal fan is a "casual" one. Yes, people who really love wrestling will appreciate a great mid-card. But face it, the WWE hasn't booked a decent mid-card since their Attitude Era.


some of RAW's midcard wrestlers are their best! Also randy orton vs. edge at venngence was a pretty damn good match.....

[jbailey84]

from rajah.com

Raw Main Events for SummerSlam

-As reported earlier, WWE has decided to shelf Chris Beniot verses Triple H for the WWE World Heavyweight championship at SummerSlam. Now, we are being told by sources close to the situation that that Triple H will instead face Eugene at SummerSlam. But it gets even more interesting, we are also told by the same sources that Chris Benoit will indeed defend his title against none other than Evolution’s own Randy Orton.

It will be interesting to see how all of this will play out on TV, what with Triple H being hell bent on getting his title back. It seems as WWE feels that Randy Orton’s time has come and they are very, very interested in placing the World’s title strap on Orton.

[chewie]

I would like to see Randy Orton as the champ, which could possibly be the beginning of the end for evolution. From what I read WWE wants Orton to win the match at summerslam. If this plan holds up I wonder if he'll win the strap cleanly. I am interested in seeing Eugene and HHH. That could be a really entertaining match in my opinion. For some reason I do like to watch Eugene wrestle with him imitating other wrestlers. Does anybody know the plans for shelton and christian when they return?

[Marv]

Originally posted by Se7en the movie
some of RAW's midcard wrestlers are their best! Also randy orton vs. edge at venngence was a pretty damn good match.....

Yeah, but I'm talking about the mid-card as a whole. Not just a decent match here and there. There will always be good matches. But I'm talking about overall booking of the mid-card level.

[Colorado Cajun]

Originally posted by jbailey84
from rajah.com

Raw Main Events for SummerSlam

-As reported earlier, WWE has decided to shelf Chris Beniot verses Triple H for the WWE World Heavyweight championship at SummerSlam. Now, we are being told by sources close to the situation that that Triple H will instead face Eugene at SummerSlam. But it gets even more interesting, we are also told by the same sources that Chris Benoit will indeed defend his title against none other than Evolution’s own Randy Orton.

It will be interesting to see how all of this will play out on TV, what with Triple H being hell bent on getting his title back. It seems as WWE feels that Randy Orton’s time has come and they are very, very interested in placing the World’s title strap on Orton. So finally Orton can lead Evolution ina turn against HHH? They should have done that awhile ago imo

Orton vs Benoit could be damn good for a few months

Eugene vs HHH will also be quite entertaining and then toss in Jericho vs Batista and that's three damn good feuds to keep Raw going

[slinger]

I don't think Orton is ready for a title run. Maybe he can win it at Survivor Series and then head into WrestleMania vs HHH and kill one more legend...

[jbailey84]

Originally posted by slinger
I don't think Orton is ready for a title run. Maybe he can win it at Survivor Series and then head into WrestleMania vs HHH and kill one more legend... yeah that'd be awesome. but there is one legend he is yet to fight....The Undertaker

[Se7en the movie]

has anyone watched smackdown lately? i havent seen it in a few weeks (cause its on too ****ing early over here), does anyone know whats been happening lately

[chewie]

Vinny Mac fired Kurt Angle as commish and put him back on the active roster. at summerslam it will be JBL and Taker and Eddie vs. Kurt.

[Se7en the movie]

thanks. I was really wondering bout who JBL would face. Have they built up the JBL vs. Taker much? Is taker still 'working' for heyman and what of paul bearer? Shouldnt have been cena vs. angle since cena has been in a feud of sorts with him when i was watching. I guess angle vs. guerrero is a good idea since their match at wrestlemania was great.

[glsspder]

Who is the new Commish or has it not been stated yet?

[jbailey84]

i've read that its going to be Teddy Long.

[glsspder]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[Colorado Cajun]

hell NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ILG49ers]

What do you all mean no? Always trying to keep the black man down.

[Colorado Cajun]

this diva crap is so damn annoying!! I can't believe they're going to drag it out another 9 weeks

[Marv]

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
this diva crap is so damn annoying!! I can't believe they're going to drag it out another 9 weeks

Yeah, I turned it after they showed the first chick with Kamala. I really wonder what goes through the writer's heads when they book this crap.

[Se7en the movie]

diva crap? kamala? what have i missed!!!!

[Marv]

Originally posted by Se7en the movie
diva crap? kamala? what have i missed!!!!

NM, believe me. Although the Iron Man Match has picked up more here towards the end. Less than 20 minutes left as of this post.

[IamMrDJ]

Just to let everyone know. Check out the new Wrestling Tournament going on in the Celebrities Forum.

http://66.118.152.6/forums/showthread.php?postid=1410925#post1410925

[jbailey84]

yeah i suggest everyone check it out! its pretty cool.

did anyone watch the IronMan Match on Raw? i didn't watch it, just read it. what'd they have, 2 matches right? the 20 Man Battle Royal and IMM?

[IamMrDJ]

The two matches were good I really liked both but I was bummed that they wasted so much time on the damn Divas. The last 25 minutes of the Iron Man was the best part.

[LordofKings]

How many of these IMM matches have they had? And whats the best?

I've only seen the Hart-Michaels one, which to me, IMO, is one of the greatest matches of all time.

[glsspder]

Iron man match was pretty cool, long but pretty cool, Eugene stole the show :D


This Diva thing is annoying they are HOT yes, But I tried watching but i just got bored and turned the channel

[jbailey84]

Originally posted by LordofKings
How many of these IMM matches have they had? And whats the best?

I've only seen the Hart-Michaels one, which to me, IMO, is one of the greatest matches of all time. i think a while back Kurt Angle & Chris Benoit had one, I THINK

[Warren]

Originally posted by jbailey84
i think a while back Kurt Angle & Chris Benoit had one, I THINK

That was Angle and Lesnar.

[chewie]

Yeah, that diva crap is pretty dam annoying. I just FF through it whenever it came up. I liked the ending to the battle royal.

[Se7en the movie]

whats this diva stuff you keep talking about?

[jbailey84]

from wrestlingonline.com newsletter

LESNAR GETS NFL CONTRACT
- Brock Lesnar's dream is coming alive. The Pioneer Press newspaper has reported on its front page online that Minnesota Vikings coach Mike Tice said that the team will sign former WWE champion Brock Lesnar to a contract, and he's expected to start training camp this Friday in Mankato, MN. The coach put Lesnar through a tough 45 minute workout this morning, which Lesnar apparently passed through with flying colors. Lesnar is expected to sign the contract later today after taking a physical.


BENOIT DVD OUT TODAY
- The Chris Benoit DVD titled 'Hard Knocks - The Chris Benoit Story' was released today through Sony. Most retailers won't have it in stock till next week as the distributor was late in printing the DVD's and shipping them. The DVD features 15 extra matches apart from the nine chapters that chronicle Benoit's journey from his early years till WrestleMania XX. It also features alternate commentary for some of his greatest matches from Japan by Michael Cole and Tazz and Benoit himself.

[beyond_th3]

Okay so I am a huge fan of wrestling and I love WWE, but recently I have hated the direction that the company is going(divas???). I mean this when I say that WWE needs some serious competition soon. Its like the same thing happens every week(evolution beating someones a**)and it gets boring knowing what the outcome of the match is gonna be. I wish WCW never went out of business because WWE really brought their game when they were challenged.


Although I feel like that doesn't mean I hate WWE, that iron man match last night was good, even though it was a little boring at the beginning and all of those wins were not neccessary. I especially loved the end when eugene came out, but I was secretly expecting somebody else to interfere. Thats probably why it was such a shock to me when he appeared. And how bout that stunner on flair? Man I miss stone cold.

[jbailey84]

who were you secretly expecting to come out?

[beyond_th3]

It may sound a little cheesy but Shawn Michaels. I love his fued with HHH - thats the only person HHH performs perfectly with IMHO. And of course one of Shawns most memorable matches was the IMM with Bret so.......

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by Se7en the movie
whats this diva stuff you keep talking about?

The diva stuff we are talking about is thier New Diva Talent Search that has been going on for the last month. Last night all of the DIva hoefuls had to try and seduce Kamala. NO need to worry about the Diva stuff because it is so stupid and IMO none of the girls are anywhere near Trish or Stacy