HALLOWEEN 2(2009) Rob Zombie

[LukeHorror14]

So what do you think about the new Halloween 2 that's coming out. Rob Zombie said he wouldn't make it, now he is..and it's coming out very early - August 28th, 2009. Give me your thoughts about it.

[unity768]

who cares

[SnoBorderZero]

Well I'm sure he'll be able to top the ****tyness from the first with a sequel that will be even worse. Good for him.

[the elmo zombie]

i hated the first one. the original is my favorite film of all time and he butchered it...then again, i hated house of 1000 corpses too and loved devils rejects, so hopefully rob has a knack with sequels

[Escape]

So what do you think about the new Halloween 2 that's coming out. Rob Zombie said he wouldn't make it, now he is..and it's coming out very early - August 28th, 2009. Give me your thoughts about it.
I didn't care for Zombie's first attempt but because this would be a continuation of that one, the things I hated in his first early on, (like showing too much of his vulnerable side along with his face) may be absent in this upcoming flick. So there's a good chance I'll be checking this out.

And even though I'm asking the impossible here, I'd rather he turned that gore factor down a bit as well. But then it probably wouldn't be a Rob Zombie horror film now would it. :rolleyes:

[steintym]

I know I'll take a beating, but I liked Zombie's remake. Yes, it was flawed and doesn't compare to the original (Could it really? The original is a classic), but I did enjoy it. I'm looking forward to a sequel and like that the franchise is getting a reboot.

[SnoBorderZero]

Rob Zombie is no better than Paul W.S. Anderson and has about the same amount of talent as Uwe Boll. He ****ing sucks.

[Matrix_Fan]

I wonder what made Zombie come back for the sequel? He was very serious back in 2007 that the remake was going to be the only one he would do. I suppose the Weinstiens went to his house with truckloads of money. LOL. I thought the remake was alright(the director's cut is horrible though, and the Carpenter film is far far superior), but that's because I had even less than no expectations for the movie. That's because I HATED(X's a trillion) House Of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects, so he'll have to try a hell of a lot harder to please me.

I guess that means Tyrannosaurus Rex is put on hold this year.

[Mclane]

Rob zombie literally murdered Halloween, the only reason he's doing 2 is that the first must have made enough money for the studio for him to do another- presumably it was seen by a generation who have not seen the origional and best film. The whole backstory bit was the clincher, the reason the origional film is so good is lack of info about Michaels backstory. :mad:

on Rob Zombie;
devils rejects- bad film, characters weren't cool in any way so we didd'nt care about them and thank god they got blown away at the end, basically Mr Zombie expected us to care about the main 3 raving, rapist, psychos with all that lynard skynard playing at the end- he was very wrong.:nono:

house of a 1000 nutters thing- absolute garbage- another cracker from Mr Zombie.:angry:

[Ramplate]

It was interesting to see more about Michael - but some of it should have remained a mystery - and I don't think the rest of the film was anything special - the original still stands to be the best

[Markus Corvinus]

I liked the remake more than the original, but I still kind of think it should've remained as a stand alone film. Hopefully this movie doesn't drop the ball.

[SnoBorderZero]

Rob zombie literally murdered Halloween, the only reason he's doing 2 is that the first must have made enough money for the studio for him to do another- presumably it was seen by a generation who have not seen the origional and best film. The whole backstory bit was the clincher, the reason the origional film is so good is lack of info about Michaels backstory. :mad:

on Rob Zombie;
devils rejects- bad film, characters weren't cool in any way so we didd'nt care about them and thank god they got blown away at the end, basically Mr Zombie expected us to care about the main 3 raving, rapist, psychos with all that lynard skynard playing at the end- he was very wrong.:nono:

house of a 1000 nutters thing- absolute garbage- another cracker from Mr Zombie.:angry:
Ah, a fellow Rob Zombie hater. *High five*

[Ramplate]

count me in on that ^^^^ his first efforts were crap

[Monster Mary]

Personally I am excited for H2. I am surprised at how many folks did not like Zombie's adaptation of Halloween. I was impressed with it. I am not a fan of horror remakes in general, there are a few exceptions for me and that was one of them.

I like the look of the teaser poster and am excited to see more about H2. I am not sure where Zombie will take the 2nd installment but I will support it either way. :)

[Renton]

If anything else Im curious to see how it differs from the original sequel. The new one is supposed be completely differant.

[Markus Corvinus]

I'm excited to see what he does because the original sequel was utter crap. The first one was pretty awesome, but late last year I actually finally got a chance to watch the sequel, and it sucked on many levels.

[SnoBorderZero]

Halloween II? I thought that one was pretty good, especially compared to the other sequels.

[Markus Corvinus]

I guess it's all up to personal opinion but I hated that movie.

[SnoBorderZero]

To me the original Halloween, Halloween II, and Halloween H2O were all pretty good, definitely better than the rest of the movies in the series which were all really, really bad.

[Markus Corvinus]

Before you dismiss what I say, read my post carefully:

I like the Halloween remake more, but the original is better. Now, I say because there was a little more suspense, and not much backstory. I didn't mind them giving Michael a little backstory, but he got a little too much, or maybe not too much, but it wasn't that good....I didn't care for all the cursing and the unintelligent family. The only member who should've been disorganized and an idiot was his sister, but only because she's a teen. They should've shown him be a kid with not a lot of problems at home or school who just snaps for no reason. That's scarier than knowing how he snapped, because you're wondering why he's doing what he's doing.

[DAN!]

To me the original Halloween, Halloween II, and Halloween H2O were all pretty good, definitely better than the rest of the movies in the series which were all really, really bad.

agreed. the first two halloweens were almost equally good imo. them keeping some of the same characters and they made a nice transition from one to the next.

[DAN!]

oh, and rob zombie is a joke of a film-maker.

[SnoBorderZero]

Before you dismiss what I say, read my post carefully:

I like the Halloween remake more, but the original is better. Now, I say because there was a little more suspense, and not much backstory. I didn't mind them giving Michael a little backstory, but he got a little too much, or maybe not too much, but it wasn't that good....I didn't care for all the cursing and the unintelligent family. The only member who should've been disorganized and an idiot was his sister, but only because she's a teen. They should've shown him be a kid with not a lot of problems at home or school who just snaps for no reason. That's scarier than knowing how he snapped, because you're wondering why he's doing what he's doing.
Well those are my exact criticisms for Rob Zombie's debacle of a film, so to me it sounds like you like the original more. ;)

[DAN!]

i actually own the remake..... haven't seen it yet though. i probably will watch it when i have some time to kill.

[SnoBorderZero]

I think it's one of the worst major movies I've ever seen.

[DAN!]

i belieive it. I loved Zombie back in the day in like middle/high school.... music wise. But i never liked him as a film-maker. very amateur style. I should start trying to sell a small dvd bundle, but i haven't had time to go through them in a while.

[N2NOther]

i hated the first one. the original is my favorite film of all time and he butchered it...

Really? How did he do that...I watched the original the other day and it looked exactly like I remember it...

No, he didn't butcher it...He made a terrible movie...The original is just as great as it always was...Actually, no, Zombie made it BETTER because watching after seeing his "reinterpretation" made me realize what an amazing film it really was.

[DAN!]

if you put almost anything next to zombie's movies it will look better.

[Markus Corvinus]

Well those are my exact criticisms for Rob Zombie's debacle of a film, so to me it sounds like you like the original more. ;)

Not at all. I like the remake a great deal more. As far as the original goes, I can count on both hands how many times I've watched it. I've watched the remake a lot more because I enjoy it more.

[DAN!]

what makes the remake so much more enjoyable? i might actually watch it tonite because i am curious. I probably won't be able to finish it with out shaking my head. I have seen two of Zombie's films, and they were complete trash. they were a disgrace to the horror genre, and that is saying a lot because there is so much crap in the genre to begin with.

[SnoBorderZero]

Well then I don't think you'd like the remake, it's pretty damn awful. It starts with a backstory that's even more useless than the Thorn storyline from the terrible Halloween 4-6 movies where concepts of how real people talk to one another is thrown out the window completely. He basically lives in a redneck family, which makes no sense, and his rage builds up, blah blah blah. The backstory takes up so much time that the actual remake part doesn't come into play for a long time, and when it does it stacks up to the original so poorly it's pathetic. Instead of Jamie Lee Curtis we have a slew of terrible actresses, and there's no suspense generated in the movie whatsoever, mainly because we're so familiar now with the Michael Myers character that there's nothing to fear of him, which is what the original fed on. It's boring, tedious, and a real hack job and overall an insult to John Carpenter's original film. It's so bad, that to me Halloween Resurrection was better (yes, the one with Busta Rhymes).

[DAN!]

that is sad that res is better than it. I have owned the movie for almost a year now and never even bothered to attempt to watch it.

I did like the first two halloweens. After that, they weren't anything special. Especially that odd one that didn't have myers in it

[SnoBorderZero]

Haha I didn't think Halloween 3 was as bad as I'd heard, and maybe that's why I didn't hate it. It was still a bad movie, but once you get over the fact that Michael Myers isn't in it (this was due to Carpenter's original vision for the series) and just laugh at it it's not so horrible. In fact I think it was better than Halloween 4-6. What did you think of H2O? I just watched it and found it to be quite good.

[DAN!]

i liked h20, and that was actually the first one i ever saw.

[SnoBorderZero]

I think the way to look at the series is the only good movies are the ones with Jamie Lee Curtis in it (excluding her early appearance in Resurrection) just like the only good Nightmare on Elm Street movies are the ones with Heather Langenkemp in them.

[DAN!]

yeah, that seems to be pretty conisistant.

[krushgroove19]

Well then I don't think you'd like the remake, it's pretty damn awful. It starts with a backstory that's even more useless than the Thorn storyline from the terrible Halloween 4-6 movies where concepts of how real people talk to one another is thrown out the window completely. He basically lives in a redneck family, which makes no sense, and his rage builds up, blah blah blah. The backstory takes up so much time that the actual remake part doesn't come into play for a long time, and when it does it stacks up to the original so poorly it's pathetic. Instead of Jamie Lee Curtis we have a slew of terrible actresses, and there's no suspense generated in the movie whatsoever, mainly because we're so familiar now with the Michael Myers character that there's nothing to fear of him, which is what the original fed on. It's boring, tedious, and a real hack job and overall an insult to John Carpenter's original film. It's so bad, that to me Halloween Resurrection was better (yes, the one with Busta Rhymes).

this is pretty accurate, except another thing rob zombie did poorly was attempt to make the mask scarier by making it look ripped and dingy. that just made the character tacky, like the background did. i'd much rather just have a plain white shatner mask any day.

[Markus Corvinus]

this is pretty accurate, except another thing rob zombie did poorly was attempt to make the mask scarier by making it look ripped and dingy. that just made the character tacky, like the background did. i'd much rather just have a plain white shatner mask any day.

The mask in the remake is better than the original. In the original it just looked lame. This version of Myers is scary because he's huge and fast, the other version wasn't scary to me, anyone could take him out.

[DAN!]

the origional halloween mask is one of the biggest icons in horror movie culture.....

[krushgroove19]

yeah. it works because it's simple and expressionless. the new mask is trying waaaay too hard and just comes across as lame.

[DAN!]

at first glance, they look pretty much the same. I am watching the movie tonite. I just pulled it out. but it looks the same from what i see from the back of the dvd, but the pics are a little small. I will get a better look later. The mask looks pretty "clean" from the pics on the back. So i assume the torn and dingy part comes later in the movie.

[Markus Corvinus]

I really think the updated look of the mask is better than the original. And I don't see why the Halloween remake is so hated, it's definitely not a bad film in my eyes. In fact, as far as the original movie and the remake goes, they are the ONLY two good movies of the franchise.

[krushgroove19]

the remake is terrible because it takes everything that works from the original and dismantles it. mainly the mystery of why michael is the way he is. another thing that bothered me is the original worked very well, and it wasn't particularly bloody or gory, and the new one was a bit over the top in that department. plus, rob zombie can't write dialogue. not every line needs to be peppered with profanity. instead of being thrilling, the movie ended up just being laughable.

[DAN!]

i don't know what you guys are talking about with the mask. It looks the same as it did in the origional.

and the remake sucks. This whole backstory is a joke. the whole 1st hour should be wiped clean. I don't want to see myers crying to his doctor and talking innocently to his mom. and i don't want to see his mom cry while watching homevideos. I want to see him to what he is supposed to do in slasher movies. this movie is complete trash.

[krushgroove19]

maybe it's my mind playing tricks on me, but to me it looked really different.

[Markus Corvinus]

Meh, I enjoyed it.

[DAN!]

maybe it's my mind playing tricks on me, but to me it looked really different.

in the begining it looks the same. And it sits in the attic for 15 years and it gets a little older in age. I would rather it be "new" looking. but that is the least of this movies problems.

[krushgroove19]

maybe that's what it was... all i remember is it looked bad in the trailer and i was mad. i tried to block most of the movie out of my mind.

[DAN!]

The mask in the remake is better than the original. In the original it just looked lame. This version of Myers is scary because he's huge and fast, the other version wasn't scary to me, anyone could take him out.

this myers is actually much slower..... i don't know where you got "faster" from. I don't find it scary at all. But i don't find any horror movies scary to begin with.

[Markus Corvinus]

I didn't say he was faster, I said he's bigger, and can move fast at times, which would scare me more in real life than some guy barely taller than me.

[DAN!]

what is with you and english? you said "This version of Myers is scary because he's huge and fast," meaning that the old one is smaller and slower. nowhere in your post do i see "at times." he is faster is the origional. he hesitates a lot more in this new one and is always moving slower than the victims.

[Markus Corvinus]

Don't be so quick to question my English when you can't even spell "original". Anyway, just because I said the new Michael is larger and somewhat fast doesn't translate into the original version being small and slower. The original guy was smaller, but obviously faster. My point was that the new Michael was able to move somewhat fast despite his size. It's not that hard to understand. It's very simple, actually.

[DAN!]

Don't be so quick to question my English when you can't even spell "original". Anyway, just because I said the new Michael is larger and somewhat fast doesn't translate into the original version being small and slower. The original guy was smaller, but obviously faster. My point was that the new Michael was able to move somewhat fast despite his size. It's not that hard to understand. It's very simple, actually.

that isn't what you said. you didn't say "somewhat fast" you said "fast." The new michael is slower in every aspect, period. There is nothing fast about him.

let me explain..... when you say "fast" it means "fast." it doesn't mean "fast sometimes" or "somewhat fast."

Then what makes this new michael so much better? so just because he is "bigger" is makes him better? The character was trashed as soon as they made him talk like he didn't know that he killed people. that is a completly different form of sociopath then how the character was created for. Myers is supposed to be "pure evil." Not someone with a split personality.

[SnoBorderZero]

Exactly, the backstory was just totally useless, but actually I found the actual "remake" part to be the most painful to sit through. Rob Zombie can't write dialogue for **** as exemplified by the "girl talk" in the movie.

[DAN!]

i didn't see girl talk. I saw the house movie and the other horror one.

He is an idiot with film. it just makes me cringe. I have seen worse, but this is pretty close to them.

But as soon as i saw myers cry, that right there was the WORST thing this movie could have done. Myers is supposed to be crazy and evil. He isn't supposed to cry.

And i didn't like it that they made the character into trailerpark trash. It is much better coming from the suburbs. The suburbs are where the real crazies come from. trailerpark trash isn't usally crazy, just stupid

[Markus Corvinus]

i didn't see girl talk. I saw the house movie and the other horror one.

He is an idiot with film. it just makes me cringe. I have seen worse, but this is pretty close to them.

But as soon as i saw myers cry, that right there was the WORST thing this movie could have done. Myers is supposed to be crazy and evil. He isn't supposed to cry.

And i didn't like it that they made the character into trailerpark trash. It is much better coming from the suburbs. The suburbs are where the real crazies come from. trailerpark trash isn't usally crazy, just stupid

Like I said *****nut, he was a huge guy, and he was able to move quickly when he needed to. And I didn't mind the Myers backstory aside from the hick family.

[DAN!]

couldn't move quickly when he was getting shot at :x.

or any other time in the movie. unless you watched the movie in fast forward which is probably the best way to watch this movie

[Markus Corvinus]

Meh, like I said, at times he was able to move quickly, despite his size.

[SnoBorderZero]

i didn't see girl talk. I saw the house movie and the other horror one.

He is an idiot with film. it just makes me cringe. I have seen worse, but this is pretty close to them.

But as soon as i saw myers cry, that right there was the WORST thing this movie could have done. Myers is supposed to be crazy and evil. He isn't supposed to cry.

And i didn't like it that they made the character into trailerpark trash. It is much better coming from the suburbs. The suburbs are where the real crazies come from. trailerpark trash isn't usally crazy, just stupid
Exactly, the trailer trash aspect was such a pathetic plotline. The original being set in a little suburban town (just like NOES) is far scarier because it shows that evil can originate anywhere, especially where you assume you're safe.

[Art_of_crime]

so do we know how he is coming back after having his head blown off?

[steintym]

Sounds like the story will be that the bullet just grazed the side of his head (I know, I know, I didn't come up with the idea :) )

Somewhere I've seen a picture of the updated mask. There's a bullet hole that supports this theory.

I'll see if I can find the picture, or maybe someone has it handy.

[Markus Corvinus]

I'll post it later, but there's a huge hole in the right side of the mask, as you'll see. Once I get on a faster computer, I'll post them.

[Markus Corvinus]

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[Art_of_crime]

huh.
Any normal normal person would have had serious problems from a wound like that.
But then we are not dealing with "any normal person"
thanks for the pic!

[Markus Corvinus]

No problem at all.

[JT3294]

It's suckiness MAY rival the first.

[Escape]

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Interesting. But where is this propshop site getting their info from to show the exact location on their prop mask that the bullet went through? Was it just from analyzing Zombie's film or did they do some deeper research on it?

[unity768]

If Zombie can somehow make a sequel to his version of Halloween that's a complete departure from the formula we saw in the first, then he might strike my interest. I was really surprised when I found myself really enjoying The Devil's Rejects when I thought House of 1,000 Corpses was ultimately lackluster.

[darkjester]

I think too many people are butthurt about remakes in general. Why not watch and enjoy both?

I am both a fan of the Halloween series and a fan of Rob Zombie. It IS possible to love and enjoy both films, y'know. To say things like "Rob butchered the original" or "this movie was worse than Halloween Resurrection" is pretty ignorant. John Carpenter himself told Zombie to "make it your own," and the last thing ANYONE should want from ANY director is a half-assed cut and paste remake of the original.

Rob Zombie had two (count 'em) TWO movies before Halloween. From a fan, Corpses was a huge let-down whereas Rejects was fantastic for what it was. To say a director sucks or a director is bad based on two of their films (or even three for those who disliked Halloween) need to seriously chill out. People are getting way too heated over this stuff.

It's like judging Tim Burton SOLELY by Planet of the Apes, or judging Steven Spielberg after only watching Hook and Indiana Jones 4. Give the guy a break and let him make his movies. Let him grow as a director.

So many of the cast and crew members felt that Rob treated them very well as a director and he constantly looked to his cast for their own insight (alot of that "girl talk" was contributed to the movie BY the likes of Scout Taylor Compton and Danielle Harris).

If you don't like it, don't watch it. We'll always have the original series, and no re-make, reboot or new sequels can take that away from us fans. But don't pride yourself on hating the work of others. There's so much more in life than to sit around hating (of all things) a film-maker for making a film that he genuinely does care about.

[SnoBorderZero]

How are our opinions "ignorant"? Do you even know what that word means? The movie SUCKED, it was a piece of complete **** and most people agree on that. Yeah, I don't want a cut and paste remake, but then again I don't want a remake at all. He could have at least brought something interesting to the movie, which he didn't. Don't pride myself on hating his work? WTF are you talking about? Right, because I'm sure you've never criticized anyone or anything before in your life, of course not. You have no idea WTF you're talking about, which was already evidenced by you liking a movie as ****ty as Rob Zombie's ****fest.

And Orson Welles made Citizen Kane as his first movie, so don't use that "he only made 2 movies" bull****.

[darkjester]

How are our opinions "ignorant"? Do you even know what that word means? The movie SUCKED, it was a piece of complete **** and most people agree on that. Yeah, I don't want a cut and paste remake, but then again I don't want a remake at all. He could have at least brought something interesting to the movie, which he didn't. Don't pride myself on hating his work? WTF are you talking about? Right, because I'm sure you've never criticized anyone or anything before in your life, of course not. You have no idea WTF you're talking about, which was already evidenced by you liking a movie as ****ty as Rob Zombie's ****fest.

And Orson Welles made Citizen Kane as his first movie, so don't use that "he only made 2 movies" bull****.

I suppose I rest my case about people getting too upset about this. God bless the internet, where no person on Earth seems to know how to hold a civil conversation. Calm down, cap'n: it's just a movie.

Secondly, the ignorance of "Rob Zombie butchered the original" has already been pointed out in this thread, but seriously: Michael Myers kills Laurie Strode in the first 11 minutes only to go home and kill the cast and crew of an internet reality show who invaded his old home, led by Busta Rhymes = Halloween Resurrection.... Should there even be a need to say anything?

It's true, most people don't like remakes, but there's nothing you can do to stop them from happening.

It's fine to have an opinion, but it's people like you, who can't have a calm head on your shoulders, who make the internet the whiny little *****-fest that it's become.



P.S. Not everybody is Orson Welles. As a matter of fact... nobody is. He's dead.

[SnoBorderZero]

I love how you tell me to calm down when you're the one running in here spouting off that people are ignorant when clearly you don't even know what the word means (which is ironic and you'd know why if you actually knew what it meant).

Secondly, Halloween Resurrection is a terrible, terrible movie. At the same time, that plot outline details that if you had any expectations for it to be good, you're crazy. Rob Zombie took a classic, attempted to make a good movie, and failed miserably. There were expectations, and he fell as short of them as you possibly could.

The only ***** in here is you. And also, you're ****ing dumb if you think Rob Zombie has any talent other than making bad movies.

P.S. Wes Anderson, Paul Thomas Anderson, George Lucas, Martin Scorcese, and many more have made quality first films. Not everyone is as worthless as Rob Zombie. As a matter of fact... nobody is. He's in a league of his own in ****tyness.

[DAN!]

Why not watch and enjoy both?

i only enjoy movies i like. If i don't like a movie, i won't enjoy it. It isn't exactly something i can control. I either like it, or i dont. I don't like rob zombie as a film-maker and i don't like his version of halloween. Plain and simple. deal with it.

That is not to say i am against all and every remake. There are quite a few I like. I did like Charlie in the Chocolate factory, Oceans 11, and others. This isn't about hating remakes or thinking every actor who isn't orson welles is a complete failure. A lot of us have very large sphere in what we like. This just happens to fall out of mine. I didn't like it, i have good reasons. If you think i should enjoy a movie i don't like, then I can't help you but recommend you think about what you are saying.

[krushgroove19]

I think too many people are butthurt about remakes in general. Why not watch and enjoy both?

I am both a fan of the Halloween series and a fan of Rob Zombie. It IS possible to love and enjoy both films, y'know. To say things like "Rob butchered the original" or "this movie was worse than Halloween Resurrection" is pretty ignorant. John Carpenter himself told Zombie to "make it your own," and the last thing ANYONE should want from ANY director is a half-assed cut and paste remake of the original.

Rob Zombie had two (count 'em) TWO movies before Halloween. From a fan, Corpses was a huge let-down whereas Rejects was fantastic for what it was. To say a director sucks or a director is bad based on two of their films (or even three for those who disliked Halloween) need to seriously chill out. People are getting way too heated over this stuff.

It's like judging Tim Burton SOLELY by Planet of the Apes, or judging Steven Spielberg after only watching Hook and Indiana Jones 4. Give the guy a break and let him make his movies. Let him grow as a director.

So many of the cast and crew members felt that Rob treated them very well as a director and he constantly looked to his cast for their own insight (alot of that "girl talk" was contributed to the movie BY the likes of Scout Taylor Compton and Danielle Harris).

If you don't like it, don't watch it. We'll always have the original series, and no re-make, reboot or new sequels can take that away from us fans. But don't pride yourself on hating the work of others. There's so much more in life than to sit around hating (of all things) a film-maker for making a film that he genuinely does care about.

first off, i don't have a problem with remakes as long as they're good. hell, i really enjoyed the Friday the 13th remake. possibly even more than i enjoyed the original. however, this one was not good. again, as has been mentioned several times, this is not a good movie. period. the beginning drags on waaaaaaaaaay too long, and also sucks all the creepy out of michael myers by making us feel bad for him. giving him a reason to be pissed off completely undercuts what makes him so scary in the first place. and when it gets to the point where the original story even takes place, it goes by way too quickly and ends up being mindnumbingly boring. ultimately, from my experience, you end up hoping all the characters die quickly so the movie can be over and you can get on with your life.

secondly, how the **** does how nicely he treats his actors impact the quality of his film? that doesn't mean anything. william friedkin fired gunshots off behind his actors to genuinely scare the **** out of them while making the exorcist. that's not something a nice person would do, but i think we all know what the better movie is.

also, who cares how many movies rob zombie has made? that's not a good meter of quality either. snoborderzero gave a pretty adequate list of people who have made very solid debuts. i'd also like to add to that list with Todd Haynes, Sofia Coppola, the Coen Brothers, Sam Mendes, and Kevin Smith. hell, kevin smith didn't even have any money to make a decent movie, and he still pulled it off.

and i agree, we shouldn't judge a director by only two or three of his films, unless of course that's all we have to judge him by. with rob zombie, that's all we have to go off of, is three movies. yeah, it would be stupid to judge spielberg by only Indy 4. but that's because he's made several other movies that are miles better, and they all came before indy 4. same with tim burton and planet of the apes. he's made better movies, and an intelligent person recognizes this, therefore we don't judge him solely off that one.

also, as a director, it is a good thing to look to your actors and crew for insight, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to use it. especially like in this movie, where that "insight" led to some of the most piss poor dialogue i've experienced in any genre. and believe me, i've experienced horrible dialogue, as i love me my "b" movies.

so yeah, i'm not *****ing because it's a remake, or even simply because it's a bad remake. it's a bad movie in general, and he needs to be stopped.

[JT3294]

Poor Michael Myers... everyone picked on him as a kid and he went crazy. OH MY GOD HE JUST PINNED THAT GUY TO A WALL!!! Oh... but it's not his fault... he was a tormented child.

Newsflash... victim Michael is not as scary as Pure Evil Michael.

Zombie = Victim Michael <<<<<<<<<<<<< Carpenter = Terrifying Abyss of Evil Michael.

[DAN!]

haha, wtf did you just write

[JT3294]

THE troof. Habla english? That's it... I'm voting for you. :angry:

[DAN!]

you cant :P

[JT3294]

Oh yeah... you're on my team aren't you? :huh:

[SnoBorderZero]

Actually I think writing messages at a lower grammatical level is about all darkjester can handle anyways.

[DAN!]

Oh yeah... you're on my team aren't you? :huh:

nope.

[Markus Corvinus]

Actually I think writing messages at a lower grammatical level is about all darkjester can handle anyways.

Says the guy flaming him because of his opinion. :omg:

[SnoBorderZero]

Ummm HE was the one who barged in here running his mouth. Maybe if you took the time to read all the posts you'd be able to comprehend that.

[DAN!]

banned!

[SnoBorderZero]

Good riddance.

[JT3294]

Awww... now I have no one to trash for their stupidity. :(

[halo7]

They are filming scenes for this about an hour away from my house. Hated the remake but would like to meet Rob Zombie. Might make the trip out.

[Freelow]

If you follow the links through the story on the front page located here (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=53426), you will see Tyler Mane with a full beard.

To me, Michael Myers having a full beard makes a lot of sense. Someone being out of touch with the normal world would have a full beard. Seems like an odd comment, but I am happy Zombie is putting a touch of realism to Myer's character.

[DAN!]

eehhh. that is just too odd. i don't like all this backstory nonsense. I just want him to do the killings old school. All this add stuff is just speedbumps to get to the parts people want to see. And there are just too much junk in there.

[SnoBorderZero]

Agreed, I guess Zombie didn't learn anything from his failures of the first one.

[steintym]

The beard doesn't bother me and actually makes sense. All that really matters is the mask.

[JT3294]

Why would a beard make sense? He likely shaved or was shaved in the clinic and he (in the movie time frame) only recently escaped. Not everyone grows a full beard in a week.

That and he could go Grizzly Adams all he wants, fact is Zombie screwed up when he left the entire first hour of the first movie intact. The first hour of the first movie ruined anything Zombie could do in the future with this franchise. It was just ridiculous.

[steintym]

We don't really know when in the movie he has a beard, if at all. If Myers has been wandering around for any length of time, I really doubt he's taking the time for a shave and haircut. Really, I don't care either way, though.

[steintym]

Sounds like the beard is a non-issue:

http://www.shocktilyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=9779

[Daniel]

The blonde girl from Heroes [daphne, the Speedster] confirmed she is in this. That might be old new, though.

[Movie_Jamie]

I typed a response to this post and thought it would be relevant in this one as well. Don’t forget we’re only discussing our opinions in this forum.
Hated it. He took his characters that worked incredibly well, Devil's Rejects(Top 10 horror of all-time) and injected them into a story where they made no sense to be in. He just made Devil's Rejects 2. Also, the thing that makes Michael so terrifying is that we didn't know why he did what he did. Giving him the bully excuse was just another way Zombie neutered the character. Then comes the mask. Having seen the mask he plans on using for H2, I can tell Zombie just doesn't get the character. The 2nd thing that made Michale so terrifying was the mask he wore that showed absolutely no emotion. Just blank white. But Zombie had to go and make it 'cool' and 'destroyed'. Just a failure on almost every level, and I liked 1000 corpses and loved Rejects.

1000 corpses~ C+(Gets better everytime I watch it)
Devil's Rejects~ A
Halloween~ D

Respectfully, I disagree. It was intended to be a different film in every aspect aside from the basic plot lines. As was done in both "Corpses" and "Rejects", RZ's Halloween was a very unnerving, gruesome and had a high level of realism. Although a different type of horror than JC's version, I feel his is as or more horrifying and certainly not less. He wasn't the "faceless" killer in every aspect like the first and a lot less times where he’s expected to jump out at any moment. What RZ’s lacked in suspense, he more than made up for in the anxiety department with the extended kill scenes and such. Although riskier, it’s often frightening to see the antagonist develop and more so if it can be humanized. For others like you it’s the unknown aspects of this character that yields more fright. To each his own, I guess…

I’m not clear why the cast affects the understandability of the film or contributes to a convoluted plot. If you don’t think the characters made sense, then that’s the real issue and not who played those particular characters. In terms of which characters didn’t make sense or weren’t needed…couldn’t have done without mom and step dad which were two of them. Are you talking about the weirdo who played the clown in the previous films being cast as the one who points out the robbed grave? Those are the only folks I noticed he brought from previous films. I’d like to understand who, specifically wasn’t needed and why.

You mentioned that Zombie doesn’t get the character and that he failed on almost every level. First of all, there’s very little to understand about Michael Myers based on the original movie. Due to the lack of information there are not many conclusions which can be made. Carpenter gives us just enough to understand that we’re dealing with a really eff’d up dude…any further understanding was based on our (the viewers) perception of the facts and subsequent inferences. Obviously with the development of Myers’ character in RZ’s version, there is much more to understand and much less to blindly infer. It’s fair to say he didn’t develop the character how you would’ve preferred, but not the least bit logical (much less, fair) to say he doesn’t “get” it.

Carpenter was focused on telling a logical story about a serial killer and doing so in a suspenseful way. RZ’s going deeper in all aspects and essentially making/ releasing more of an epic film in parts…H2 picks up right where they left off with the first one. Don’t mean to be on a soapbox, but I think you and others are being over critical of this movie. I can’t believe anyone would refer to the remake as “garbage”. Especially if you loved “Rejects”!?! It’s just not like the original…which it was never intended to be.

I look forward to catching **** from folks on this.

[Silent Yoda]

I haven't seen Zombie's remake since theaters, so correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't his sister shot him in the face point blank? I'm pretty sure I recall her face getting splattered with his blood at the very end. So one of the first things I thought was, "there won't be a sequel to this one." But apparently he's now Jason Voorhees and can rise from the dead.

Granted, in the original Halloween, Dr. Loomis shoots Michael repeatedly until he falls out the window, and yet he still survives. But then again, that version of Michael was presented more as The Boogeyman, so he was more otherworldly. Zombie's version is trying to be more realistic, so he's just a very disturbed person with the body of a wrestler. He's not invincible. He's just really tough. And his sister shot him directly in the face...

Maybe they'll go the Kill Bill route, and have Michael wake up in the hospital with a metal plate in his head. His sister may have been a lousy shot and just accidentally shot off a piece of his face or ear.

[Movie_Jamie]

I haven't seen Zombie's remake since theaters, so correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't his sister shot him in the face point blank? I'm pretty sure I recall her face getting splattered with his blood at the very end. So one of the first things I thought was, "there won't be a sequel to this one." But apparently he's now Jason Voorhees and can rise from the dead.

Granted, in the original Halloween, Dr. Loomis shoots Michael repeatedly until he falls out the window, and yet he still survives. But then again, that version of Michael was presented more as The Boogeyman, so he was more otherworldly. Zombie's version is trying to be more realistic, so he's just a very disturbed person with the body of a wrestler. He's not invincible. He's just really tough. And his sister shot him directly in the face...

Maybe they'll go the Kill Bill route, and have Michael wake up in the hospital with a metal plate in his head. His sister may have been a lousy shot and just accidentally shot off a piece of his face or ear.


Yea, I understand where you're coming from but I don't think we're near the "Jason Voohees" point yet. Although not typical, it's plausable that he survived... You do make a great point in that with more realism and humanization of Mike Myers, there needs to be consistancy in the "near" death department as well. Zombie may have changed his mind (to make a 2nd) after shooting the first so he may also view his survival as a stretch...moving forward I'm sure he'll keep tabs on this kind of thing.

[Silent Yoda]

Yea, I understand where you're coming from but I don't think we're near the "Jason Voohees" point yet. Although not typical, it's plausable that he survived... You do make a great point in that with more realism and humanization of Mike Myers, there needs to be consistancy in the "near" death department as well. Zombie may have changed his mind (to make a 2nd) after shooting the first so he may also view his survival as a stretch...moving forward I'm sure he'll keep tabs on this kind of thing.I think we're pretty much on the same page with this. I just thought the ending to Zombie's first of these two films was ballsy at the time. It was like he was sequel-proofing the remake. I had a lot of respect for him when he ended it that way, but then going ahead with a sequel because the first was a hit really seems like a cop out and cheapens the impact of his first one.

The reason they could make sequels to Carpenter's film was because at the end, Michael Myers had vanished, and could be anywhere. It was the perfect way to set up a franchise, and yet it was also a cool ending. It almost seemed like Michael was a ghost.

The makers of the original Friday the 13th didn't know they were setting up a franchise when they had Jason pop out of the lake at the end. They just wanted something scary at the end, and it was seen more as a dream sequence. When the first one became a hit, they decided to go back to the well and design their new antagonist. Thus began zombie Jason. Zombie's Halloween remake sequel is somewhat similar to this, since it was greenlit for the same reasons.

So while I can't agree that it's at all plausible that the new Michael Myers survived a gunshot to the face, I'll still go with the flow. Hopefully Zombie knows what he's doing. And if this sequel doesn't turn out well, I can just pretend it doesn't exist. Just like most people pretend that his remake never existed in the first place.

[Bamfosaurus14]

wait wasn't there already a halloween 2?

so doesn't this make it Halloween 2 2?

[DAN!]

well, there was already and "halloween" and they called the new one "halloween." so yes, two movies can have the same title

and your joke doesnt make sense either way.

[Movie_Jamie]

wait wasn't there already a halloween 2?

so doesn't this make it Halloween 2 2?

I'm going under the assumption that this is a joke.

[Bamfosaurus14]

well, there was already and "halloween" and they called the new one "halloween." so yes, two movies can have the same title

and your joke doesnt make sense either way.

Well the joke doesn't make sense cause making a remake of a sequal doesn't make sense. It wasn't really supposed to make sense, just trying to poke fun at the absurdity of the unoriginality of Hollywood. BUt thanks for jumping all over me ;)

[DAN!]

sorry. i guess i don't get the joke. Kinda like changing "superman" to "supersuperman." it is just random.

[Bamfosaurus14]

yea it was kind of stupid i have to admit
but thats me, a pretty stupid person

[DAN!]

ive heard worse. I just didn't get it, that was all. I never get the random stuff anyways

[Bamfosaurus14]

eh but anyway, does any one really think its gonna be able to overcome the horrid 2007 Halloween? I mean it wasn't much of a cinematic masterpiece, so did it really need a sequal?

[DAN!]

i didn't like it at all, and i certainly wouldnt want zombie to make another movie period. the guy is a joke of a filmmaker

[diemos]

how many times can you remake Halloween? Apparently plenty.

[Movie_Jamie]

I pretty much feel the opposite of you guys. I really liked Zombie's version of this movie. It isn't like any other versions of Halloween. People are so inconsistant with their criticism. Isn't anyone happy that there is a new Halloween movie coming out that no one's seen? I thought true fans would embrace this more that pissing and moaning about it. Do we have so many good horror movies coming out that we can afford to bash this one? The fact is that most, if not all, horror movies should be praised for their effort. Fans of horror can be hard to please many times. Maybe this is why the genre is lacking in the creative department... people don't appreciate it. Somehow it's viewed as a negative...it just sucks to see all the whining.

[Movie_Jamie]

That fart video is halarious! LOL

[DAN!]

you tell them sister.

[Movie_Jamie]

Tellin' you as well fool.

[DAN!]

now that isnt very nice.

[Ewok Droppings]

The problem with Zombie's movies are the he has the most ridiculous and retarded characters and dialogue ever known to man. It's like the guy is socially inept and he's dumping his crazy bullsh** on the rest of us in the form of a movie. I can't help but sit there and wonder "doesn't anyone watch this and say this is a completely ridiculous conversation and mentality that these characters are portraying?" It's like bastardizing the English language, only he's not foreign.

[drob127]

one thing i like about zombies movies are, he knows how to capture the time that the movie takes place in and for some odd reason all my life the 70's seem scary to me. i dont know why they just do and in house of 1000 corpses with the kids on halloween in those like cheap costumes and the beginning with dr. wolfenstein it frightens me LOL. every movie the one thing he always does right is capture the time. i hope that makes sense

[SnoBorderZero]

I pretty much feel the opposite of you guys. I really liked Zombie's version of this movie. It isn't like any other versions of Halloween. People are so inconsistant with their criticism. Isn't anyone happy that there is a new Halloween movie coming out that no one's seen? I thought true fans would embrace this more that pissing and moaning about it. Do we have so many good horror movies coming out that we can afford to bash this one? The fact is that most, if not all, horror movies should be praised for their effort. Fans of horror can be hard to please many times. Maybe this is why the genre is lacking in the creative department... people don't appreciate it. Somehow it's viewed as a negative...it just sucks to see all the whining.

You're right it wasn't like any other versions of Halloween, it introduced an amount of stupidity unlike any of the other sequels (aside from Resurrection) did. How are we inconsistent? No I'm not happy another Halloween movie from Rob Zombie is coming out because he did a terrible job with the first, which means this one will be just as bad if not worse. What do other movies being bad have to do with anything? We bash those ones as well. Right there you basically admit that this movie isn't good and we should give it a pass. Zombie's Halloween was worse than a lot of horror movies recently, that's how bad it was.

Why should we be praising bad movies? That doesn't make any sense. The reason the horror genre isn't any good is becaue its movies aren't. I like watching horror movies, but in no way do I think the majority are any good. Why do you think we get so many useless, DTV sequels? The horror genre stinks because filmmakers like Rob Zombie use cliches and stereotypes and bring nothing new to the formula. Any "horror" movie with brains usually falls more into the thriller category, and gems like Evil Dead are far and few between. Your argument makes no sense. Because we don't like the garbage being out there the industry isn't able to develop any creativity?

And the only one who's coming off as whiny and annoying is you, no one else.

[drob127]

weird al is going to be making a cameo? that sucks lol

[Movie_Jamie]

I respect your opinion but only because everyone is entitled to one.
“…introduced an amount of stupidity unlike any of the other sequels (aside from Resurrection) did.”

Most would agree that after the first sequel, the rest was pretty week if not horse ****. Your opener is a pretty absurd statement and prepared me for more of the same.

Many people liked “The Devil’s Rejects” but didn’t like his version of Halloween. He used a similar style to film this movie. There’s a lot of criticism is about the lack of suspense and the dialogue. I didn’t notice the dialogue issue as much as others…IMO the horror genre has less emphasis and has always been lesser known for its dialogue. What did you think of the dialogue in Friday the 13th or Texas CM…or what about Nightmare on Elm Street? IMO –the dialogue was all horse ****. I’m willing to bet that most didn’t really notice and certainly didn’t crucify the makers over it. It’s not any better than RZ’s Halloween.

If you’re that unhappy with the first, why are you on these forums checking the updates on the second? You should know that just because you thought the first one blew, doesn’t mean his sequel will. So with more intelligent conversations between the characters you would have a more favorable opinion of his movie? Many “haters” question his death at the end and the fact the Rob changed his mind about making a sequel. This is a movie and it’s plausible that he survived. Rob Zombie is human therefore it’s understandable that he changed his mind about making the sequels.
I think the better argument against the new one is the lack of suspense. Because you know he’s nothing but a big ass serial killer, he’s not as scary. I agree, it’s a different type of horror than the original, but no less scary IMO.
I bet you just think it’s the “cool” thing to do and “I’m a purest…so I can’t like this or most remakes.” New movies automatically have a leg-up on their predecessors because of the film quality, new techniques and more information. The new generation needs remakes to bring back the originals…teens don’t waste their time with movies made in the 70’s and 80’s anymore.
I
understand where you’re coming from regarding the cliché’s. We have few fundamental, deep rooted movie-worthy fears – ghosts, monsters and killers. Let me know the one's I'm missing…From there it’s about creating a new vision of one or a combination of these. I truly enjoyed this film and am not giving it a pass nor am I suggesting that you do. You should try harder to find more constructive feedback if you’re doing anything more than sounding off. Carpenter approved of this one as well as 2 sequels. So, you’re saying it’s **** when the creator wants more? You should ****ing wake up!

If I sound winey, it’s merely frustration that I can’t contain. I’ll have to accept that some folks like different **** that I do. I just hate reading the many dumb ass arguments…especially the ones you were pouring on thick and heavy.
GFY

[SnoBorderZero]

I respect your opinion but only because everyone is entitled to one.
“…introduced an amount of stupidity unlike any of the other sequels (aside from Resurrection) did.”

Most would agree that after the first sequel, the rest was pretty week if not horse ****. Your opener is a pretty absurd statement and prepared me for more of the same.

Many people liked “The Devil’s Rejects” but didn’t like his version of Halloween. He used a similar style to film this movie. There’s a lot of criticism is about the lack of suspense and the dialogue. I didn’t notice the dialogue issue as much as others…IMO the horror genre has less emphasis and has always been lesser known for its dialogue. What did you think of the dialogue in Friday the 13th or Texas CM…or what about Nightmare on Elm Street? IMO –the dialogue was all horse ****. I’m willing to bet that most didn’t really notice and certainly didn’t crucify the makers over it. It’s not any better than RZ’s Halloween.

If you’re that unhappy with the first, why are you on these forums checking the updates on the second? You should know that just because you thought the first one blew, doesn’t mean his sequel will. So with more intelligent conversations between the characters you would have a more favorable opinion of his movie? Many “haters” question his death at the end and the fact the Rob changed his mind about making a sequel. This is a movie and it’s plausible that he survived. Rob Zombie is human therefore it’s understandable that he changed his mind about making the sequels.
I think the better argument against the new one is the lack of suspense. Because you know he’s nothing but a big ass serial killer, he’s not as scary. I agree, it’s a different type of horror than the original, but no less scary IMO.
I bet you just think it’s the “cool” thing to do and “I’m a purest…so I can’t like this or most remakes.” New movies automatically have a leg-up on their predecessors because of the film quality, new techniques and more information. The new generation needs remakes to bring back the originals…teens don’t waste their time with movies made in the 70’s and 80’s anymore.
I
understand where you’re coming from regarding the cliché’s. We have few fundamental, deep rooted movie-worthy fears – ghosts, monsters and killers. Let me know the one's I'm missing…From there it’s about creating a new vision of one or a combination of these. I truly enjoyed this film and am not giving it a pass nor am I suggesting that you do. You should try harder to find more constructive feedback if you’re doing anything more than sounding off. Carpenter approved of this one as well as 2 sequels. So, you’re saying it’s **** when the creator wants more? You should ****ing wake up!

If I sound winey, it’s merely frustration that I can’t contain. I’ll have to accept that some folks like different **** that I do. I just hate reading the many dumb ass arguments…especially the ones you were pouring on thick and heavy.
GFY
I didn't say the sequels were anything to write home about. Other than Halloween II and H2O the rest of the sequels were horrible, I was just pointing out that Rob Zombie's movie was just as bad if not worse. Maybe learn to read?

The dialogue was horrendous. Once again, where did I write that horror movies contain Shakespeare at all? You're the one who's saying we should give horror movies a pass, not me. I'm not justifying anything in horror movies. I said that I enjoy watching them but in no way find them to be any good. Once again, can you please read what I wrote before wasting my time having to reexplain what I just wrote?

Your point about how no one wants to watch older movies just makes me laugh. I know exactly what kind of viewer you are, one who only watches movies made in this decade and doesn't have the attention span to appreciate older movies, which are in fact leagues better. Want to know why John Carpenter's movie is better? Because it is, and because after 30 years it still remains memorable whereas Rob Zombie's was hated by critics and Halloween fans alike and most would like to act as if it doesn't exist.

Who cares if John Carpenter greenlit this? He greenlit Halloween III as well and that was almost as bad as this one. Do you even know what you're arguing anymore? Your previous statement was just laughable where you said because we don't like these terrible movies that the horror industry can't come up with anything creative. Do you not see the absurdity in that? And I didn't come in here just sounding off, YOU DID. You didn't offer anything constructive you just came in here *****ing and moaning. Obviously you can't appreciate movies before 2000, so please do yourself a favor and actually watch some good movies before telling us our tastes are wrong.

[JT3294]

This movie is going to suck wang. It's official now. You may all disperse.

[Movie_Jamie]

You're right it wasn't like any other versions of Halloween, it introduced an amount of stupidity unlike any of the other sequels (aside from Resurrection) did.

This is your quote from your original response. I can read just fine you stupid ****. I'm fine with your opinion about the movie. It just doesn't make sense to me...

You seem more or less a **** sucker. I think that's the main reason for this debate. Go watch 30 year old movies that you've seen 40+ times. I'll root whoever is trying to make new ones...remakes or not.

GFY (GO **** YOURSELF)

[JT3294]

This movie does terrible things to newbie douches. :(

Proof is in the puddin'

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z203/late-jo7/cos.jpg

[SnoBorderZero]

You're right it wasn't like any other versions of Halloween, it introduced an amount of stupidity unlike any of the other sequels (aside from Resurrection) did.

This is your quote from your original response. I can read just fine you stupid ****. I'm fine with your opinion about the movie. It just doesn't make sense to me...

You seem more or less a **** sucker. I think that's the main reason for this debate. Go watch 30 year old movies that you've seen 40+ times. I'll root whoever is trying to make new ones...remakes or not.

GFY (GO **** YOURSELF)

I wasn't disputing that I wrote that. *sigh* I never said anything was wrong with your opinion in the first place, you're the one who came in here proclaiming people were whiney for not liking Rob Zombie's ****fest. You just look like a complete idiot here, I don't even have to do anything. Based on your responses I can conclude these things:

1. You have no clue about anything relating to movies, past or present.
2. If I were to guess your age based on your posts, I'd put you at a 3 year old who just pissed his pants and is now throwing a tantrum.
3. No one likes you or agrees with you. I think it's best you GFY.

[Movie_Jamie]

LOL...that's great stuff(seriously, my hat's off to you). Sooo, I'm a "newbie" because I don't have 3K posts. The fact that you do speaks volumes about your available free time but does nothing to make you more credible. Your opinions are the same the rest only said with much more douche baggery.

[JT3294]

http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/5529/0/STFU_and_GTFO.ashx

[JT3294]

New people don't fair well when they buck heads with me kid. Check yo self.

[Movie_Jamie]

Your 3 conclusions are false and remind me of the earlier bull**** you've posted. It doesn't bother me whether or not anyone likes me based on my posts in this forum. I knew I would run into folks like yourselves and am glad our opinions vastly differ.

[Movie_Jamie]

Yea, this wasn't as funny as the last one but does tell me a little more about your interests. I'm sure you will be able to outlast me and have many more altered movie posters to express your frusterations. I'll check myself only because your determination to be the "victor" makes it clear how much this useless debate means to you. I hate that the entertainment is ending because I do enjoy a fiery debate.

[JT3294]

You've been banned before haven't you? haha.

http://www.lesoftparade.com/boards/images/smilies/lovehate.gif

[Movie_Jamie]

nope

[SnoBorderZero]

Your 3 conclusions are false and remind me of the earlier bull**** you've posted. It doesn't bother me whether or not anyone likes me based on my posts in this forum. I knew I would run into folks like yourselves and am glad our opinions vastly differ.

And once again you cannot address anything I wrote which leads me to believe that you don't know ****. I don't know why you felt that it's a smart choice to immediately buck heads with people on here (and coming from me you know it's bad) but that's not exactly a wise first impression. Posters like you come and go on these boards, I think really because they realize they have very little to say that actually means anything.

[Movie_Jamie]

I've addressed several things you've written. None from your last post b/c it was all horse ****...

[Silent Yoda]

Sooo, I'm a "newbie" because I don't have 3K posts. The fact that you do speaks volumes about your available free time but does nothing to make you more credible. Your opinions are the same the rest only said with much more douche baggery.I hate to get in the middle of this, but the reason you're a "newbie" is because you're new here. That's not up for dispute. It says under your name that you joined March 2009. What month is this? So you haven't even been on here for 30 days...and you're already starting trouble. Pump your brakes, kid.

[Movie_Jamie]

I hear ya...

[SnoBorderZero]

I've addressed several things you've written. None from your last post b/c it was all horse ****...

Simply by writing your conclusions are false doesn't address anything.

[JT3294]

nope

Then you have a natural aptitude to being a moron on his way out. I guess kudos are in order? :confused:

[Art_of_crime]

my problem with Zombie's Halloween was this.
He made Myers a person. In the original movie you had a hazy background, no motivation other than complete psychosis, and a mute monster that stalked kids around age of the target audience. It made "The Shape" this malignant evil and the embodiment of fear. It didn't matter who he was, or why he was doing it. He was less than human, and that is what added to his creepiness. You could not reason with him, he might not even feel emotions. He just was evil.
Zombie gave him a family. He gave him a history. You might have even felt bad for him. Now he was this neglected abused misfit. He became more of a sympathetic character. Then you were supposed to fear him after?
Lucas did the same damn thing to Darth Vader. You don't take the on screen presence of evil and show us all that he is really a sad little boy inside. Fear had always been more intense when its irrational.

[Movie_Jamie]

my problem with Zombie's Halloween was this.
He made Myers a person. In the original movie you had a hazy background, no motivation other than complete psychosis, and a mute monster that stalked kids around age of the target audience. It made "The Shape" this malignant evil and the embodiment of fear. It didn't matter who he was, or why he was doing it. He was less than human, and that is what added to his creepiness. You could not reason with him, he might not even feel emotions. He just was evil.
Zombie gave him a family. He gave him a history. You might have even felt bad for him. Now he was this neglected abused misfit. He became more of a sympathetic character. Then you were supposed to fear him after?
Lucas did the same damn thing to Darth Vader. You don't take the on screen presence of evil and show us all that he is really a sad little boy inside. Fear had always been more intense when its irrational.

You make several very good points. I understand more now why folks would prefer the original over the remake. Rob Zombie's version is a different kind of movie all together. I like both versions individually and try not to compare the two as if they were going for the same outcome. There are different aspects that each director did extremely well. I didn't feel apathy towards Meyers, but the fear factor is decreased on one hand when he's humanized. On the other hand, this movie is developing more like the story of a real serial killer. For this reason it created a deeper level of horror, IMO. Many folks prefer the original over the new one and that's normal, expected and completely understandable. I can't understand why anyone hates the new one though if they like horror films in general. In my book, it's as good or better than "The Devil's Rejects"...

[Movie_Jamie]

Then you have a natural aptitude to being a moron on his way out. I guess kudos are in order? :confused:

Whatever. Eat another Kudos bar and let it go...

[Art_of_crime]

You make several very good points. I understand more now why folks would prefer the original over the remake. Rob Zombie's version is a different kind of movie all together. I like both versions individually and try not to compare the two as if they were going for the same outcome. There are different aspects that each director did extremely well. I didn't feel apathy towards Meyers, but the fear factor is decreased on one hand when he's humanized. On the other hand, this movie is developing more like the story of a real serial killer. For this reason it created a deeper level of horror, IMO. Many folks prefer the original over the new one and that's normal, expected and completely understandable. I can't understand why anyone hates the new one though if they like horror films in general. In my book, it's as good or better than "The Devil's Rejects"...

I guess it boils down to taste.
Just because I like Fantasy movies does not mean I enjoyed Dungeons and Dragons.
As long as you like it what does it matter what others think?

[Movie_Jamie]

I guess it boils down to taste.
Just because I like Fantasy movies does not mean I enjoyed Dungeons and Dragons.
As long as you like it what does it matter what others think?


That's true. Different strokes...so it's pretty much all good ;)

[JT3294]

Whatever. Eat another Kudos bar and let it go...

HAAAhahahahaha.

[DAN!]

though i highly disagree with jamie's movie taste, im kinda starting to like her

[Movie_Jamie]

though i highly disagree with jamie's movie taste, im kinda starting to like her

I am a dude.

[DAN!]

I am a dude.

then stop talking like a chick ;)

you ramble like my ex gf :(

[Movie_Jamie]

Hey Dan...GFY

[DAN!]

now that's not nice..... and that is what nicole would have responded too....weird.... are you really her :confused:

[Movie_Jamie]

Whatever jackass. I'm not gonna get into it with you...

[JT3294]

Hahaha no one likes Jamie.

[steintym]

That was actually entertaining :applaud::applaud::applaud:

[Angelina Armani]

I don't think he will be any longer be known as "The Shape". I hope it's ratings will be good. It would be sad to see this franchise get ruined.

[JT3294]

What is it with all the ****ing Zombie Halloween fanboys? And girls.

How can anyone hope for more of these? Is it the end of times? This is like Invasion of the Good Taste Snatchers.

[DAN!]

a lot of them used to go to the old "shocktillyoudrop" forum. And they got rid of it, and when they click on "forums" they are brought to here.

[SnoBorderZero]

Well that explains the whole "it's a horror movie so you should like it" idea.

[DAN!]

yeah, if you look at all the horror threads, they are packed with people who have like 20 posts. they all posted in the other forum when it was operating. one of them even made a thread *****ing about it

[Art_of_crime]

hey at least he is not that "Michael Corvin" guy.
maybe he will get the hang of this place after a while.

[JT3294]

Maybe he'll get the hang of cancer.

[Art_of_crime]

ouch.

[FranklinTard]

Maybe he'll get the hang of cancer.

you just wished death on someone based on conversations on a message board? yikes.

[JT3294]

Did I say death? No.

I said cancer.

[FranklinTard]

careful what you wish for. karma is listening.

[DAN!]

http://thesportsculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/karmacop-311x322.jpg

[Escape]

I don't think he will be any longer be known as "The Shape". I hope it's ratings will be good. It would be sad to see this franchise get ruined.

Me neither. He's got a personality or had one we know of, so bye bye 'Shape'. :(

[JT3294]

careful what you wish for. karma is listening.

Yeah. Karma. :rolleyes:

[DarkKnight25]

I think the tagline for the movie should be "Its the Great Pumpkin Michael Myers..." lol

[drob127]

i dont know if these have been posted but there are a couple new images from the movie some are old but others i never saw before #5 freaks me out:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/h2_halloween_2/pictures/slideshow/8.php#highlighted_picture

[Escape]

i dont know if these have been posted but there are a couple new images from the movie some are old but others i never saw before #5 freaks me out:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/h2_halloween_2/pictures/slideshow/8.php#highlighted_picture
#5 seems rather tame to me actually with the way he's just walking away in the shadow there.

The freakiest shadow I've seen of Myers would be in the first original fim where he's just standing over in the house across the street, staring in the window.

[DAN!]

i like #3

[drob127]

#5 seems rather tame to me actually with the way he's just walking away in the shadow there.

The freakiest shadow I've seen of Myers would be in the first original fim where he's just standing over in the house across the street, staring in the window.

i agree and when JLC is running back to the house and she looks back and its a far away shot of myers standing there and then starts to walk over...****ing creeps me out man

[steintym]

i like #3

:applaud: I agree

Number 4 and 7 look pretty brutal. It's hard to tell a lot this early, but I'm liking a lot of the stuff that is starting to come out for this flick.

[Silent Yoda]

The teaser trailer premiered in theaters last weekend. Did anyone see it?

[DAN!]

for everyones sake, i hope they didnt

[drob127]

anyone know where i can check out the trailer online?

[Tolkien]

Am I the only one here who enjoyed the first one?




*Secretly awaits someone's response so he can attack them*

[drob127]

i liked it but it wasnt better than the original. i just thought they took too much time with him as a kid and i know that it was supposed to be like that but it got too drawn out

[Fiverrabbit]

Sounds interesting.

[Matrix_Fan]

Well, finally saw the trailer.

As someone who thought the remake wasn't that bad (doesn't hold a candle to Carpenters movie however), I think it's safe to say this sequel looks like it's gonna suck. I don't know why Zombie feels the need to put his wife in all his movies, even if her character died in the previous movie. Her scenes look absolutely atrocious.

Lame, Rob...very....very....lame. Looks like a giant step backwards for him.

[Birdy]

Saw the trailer and I'm not impressed. Didn't like the first one but held out hope that he might be able to make this one better since he would be free to do it his way and not worry about "re-imagining" the second Carpenter film. I mean the trailer just told us the whole movie. And it was supposed to be just a TEASER.

[cosmicherosa]

WTF is with moon being in this again.....and SOMEHOW egging Michael on???

And WHY does Michael look like the old guy Robert Bruce Sr. from Braveheart dying of lepresy and lesions?

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/myers-new-mask.jpg
http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1995_Braveheart/995BVH_Ian_Bannen_001.jpg
http://www.thelin.net/laurent/cinema/films/tt0112573/122914.jpg

UNCANNY.

[the elmo zombie]

god dammit.....really rob? REALLY???

[Tolkien]

And here I was hoping that it was just someone's lame halloween costume.

Turns out it's actually Rob Zombie's lame ass halloween costume...

[Silent Yoda]

There goes that franchise...

[drob127]

i was actually looking forward to this but it looks dumb...it feels like zombie is combining the whole jason thing with MM's mom being in this and matrix is right her scenes from the trailer look terrible

[Tolkien]

What's worse, why is she dressed like that? It's stupid.

[drob127]

i know right

[Tolkien]

Is it because the movie is titled "Halloween" that she has to be in costume? lol.

[ViRUs]

yeah I just saw that, looks awful.

[drob127]

Is it because the movie is titled "Halloween" that she has to be in costume? lol.

lol...i guess.

watch shes going to be in his mind or something. the first one and this would have been a hell of a lot better if he would of just copied carpenters. i like zombies visuals that he uses, but it seems like every movie he does gets worse than the last one

[Escape]

i agree and when JLC is running back to the house and she looks back and its a far away shot of myers standing there and then starts to walk over...****ing creeps me out man
Oh that scene too of course. But I was more thinking when the kid looked out the window and saw him over there just staring in the other house. Then of course when he was carrying the body from the house as well.

[Johnny Drama]

People shouldn't be expecting too much from this one considering how lame the Zombie's last effort was. Viva la Hobo-Myers!

[the elmo zombie]

besides the **** with his wife in it, it doesnt look terrible. ill see it because its halloween in title

[drob127]

Oh that scene too of course. But I was more thinking when the kid looked out the window and saw him over there just staring in the other house. Then of course when he was carrying the body from the house as well.

there's a real creepy scene in zombies halloween when laurie is runn ing down the street and MM is just walking behind her catching up to her....the lighting in that scene made it creepy and then when MM is carrying the body walking away from the camera.

[Word Smith]

Here are my points on both the remake and the original:

Halloween Remake = Bad:

1. Annoying Actresses.
Michael’s baby sister (As A Teen) and her buddies had not only sounded annoying but acted annoying, too; every time they spoke I wanted to throw something at the screen in protest. It definitely made me have no sympathy what so ever for these characters. I wanted the killer TO KILL THEM. Plus, there was no character building for these central characters, as well; very bad.

2. No Point Past.
If you are going to show us something from Michael Myer’s past….you have to give us a reason why we have to see it. Every line in a script should drive the main plot forward. If it doesn’t…it should be eliminated. See, there really wasn’t any point to see Michael’s past was there? Did it offer something really that revealing and cool…especially to the plot? Personally, (As harsh as it sounds) I would have had Michael’s mother or sister physically abuse Michael in some way; that would have given the character of Michael the fuel he needed to go around killing others who went partying and pelvis pumping; that is the reason we would want to see a past prologue in the first place. Plus, it could been a reason to really drive the central character’s motivations through out the rest of the film, too.

3. What Time Period Was It?
There was a hint that from the way people dressed, talked, and what they drove…. lent to the idea that these characters were in the 60’s or 70’s. However, the annoying kids in the film carried their cell phones. You CAN NOT HAVE BOTH TIME PERIODS….unless it is properly explained or portrayed. They didn’t do this.

4. One Descent Apple (The Doctor) Does Not Make All The Other Bad Apples Good.
Malcolm McDowell (The Doctor) did a descent job. He wasn’t my first choice for a role like this…but he did okay. However, all the other actors were either annoying or really cast badly. In fact, now that I think about it, THEY WERE HORRIBLE. Especially the kid who was playing Michael; I did not get the impression he was evil at all…but just bored in the movie. Anyways, most of the supporting cast even the Mexican Jailer was not all that important and or stellar as far as the performances or lines. Oh, and the Sheriff acted like he was some escaped psycho or something. What was up with that?

5. Why Change Established History?
When you kill off a major character like the Doctor....You piss off the people who are the REAL HALLOWEEN FANS. If it is not broke folks. Please lets not fix it. Please.

6. Nothing Was Scary.
Isn’t it the point of a horror film… to scare people? Well, with no proper soundtrack properly mixing with the camera work of Michael killing and moving about…it lent this film to be anything but scary. Plus, with all the horrible and annoying freak actors or characters…you were praying that these idiots would die soon by the hand of some maniacal killer like Michael.


Halloween Original = Good:

1. You Have Jamie Lee Curtis.
Wow. You have an actress that can not only act and is not annoying…but we get the sense that she really is a part of Michael Myers family.

2. It’s Not Only A Classic, But It Was A Hit!!!!!!!!
When the movie first came out in theaters for the first time in limited release back in good ole 1978…it eventually spread nation wide…because of it’s pure magnificence. People every where were talking about it…and it spread a lot by word of mouth when it was in it’s infancy.

2. The Music Worked!
The music was the strong fuel that drove this film. John Carpenter said…it was this theme that help make the movie the success it is. The fact that the remake didn’t take advantage of this secret is sad. Oh, sure, Zombie used Carpenter’s music in his rehash…but it was not in any way used correctly or to the film’s benefit.

3. It Was Scary!!!!!!!!!!
If you did a pole…I’m sure you would find that a large number out of that poll would favor Halloween (The Original) as their top choice from scary movies. The story, the acting, the camera work, the music…everything played it’s part to lend that it was very very frightening!!!! Don’t take my word for it. Ask someone what they thought about the original Halloween and see for yourself.

4. It Became A Phenomenon!!!!!!
Halloween became so popular that it had a ton of sequels and sold a ton of merchandise over the years (Especially during the holiday of Halloween). I don’t see Zombie’s remake gathering that many fans or that much of a following; there is no way that Zombie’s rehash can compete with a fan base like that.

5. You Were Afraid For The Characters!!!!!
When Michael was chasing Jamie…it was sooooo intense that you felt like your heart was going to fly out of your chest. The kids in the film were also down to Earth and not annoying. When Michael was there in the house with them…you felt their fear and not some phony sounding cries for help.

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[drob127]

3. What Time Period Was It?
There was a hint that from the way people dressed, talked, and what they drove…. lent to the idea that these characters were in the 60’s or 70’s. However, the annoying kids in the film carried their cell phones. You CAN NOT HAVE BOTH TIME PERIODS….unless it is properly explained or portrayed. They didn’t do this.


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i wondered that too what ****ing time period are they in???

[Escape]

there's a real creepy scene in zombies halloween when laurie is runn ing down the street and MM is just walking behind her catching up to her....the lighting in that scene made it creepy and then when MM is carrying the body walking away from the camera.
I'd have to check that out again. I haven't seen it since the threatres but I'll probably get it for cheap one day. I should have gotten it a few months ago when I saw the 2 disc set for only 5 bucks brand new. It may not even be in my 'favourites' list when it comes to horror films but I'd still like to have it in my collection.

3. It Was Scary!!!!!!!!!!
If you did a poll…I’m sure you would find that a large number out of that poll would favor Halloween (The Original) as their top choice from scary movies.
I used to think that too but I seem to read alot of kids nowadays on forums, who don't really appreciate it like I'd want them to. It's my number one all time Horror for sure though.

[drob127]

its a 1:10 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kww5KSqzV9U

i dont know why but it feels like zombie is doing a reboot on his on film lol...it doesnt seem like like a sequel it really feels like he is redoing it.

[Word Smith]

i wondered that too what ****ing time period are they in???

Drob:

Yeah, I think Rob Zombie needs to get back to the basics of screen writing if you ask me. A really cool site he should read from to learn is...

http://www.scriptsecrets.net/tips/tip317.htm


Definitely one of my personal faves.


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[Escape]

its a 1:10 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kww5KSqzV9U
Damn. I see a bit of what you mean drob but that scene in the trailer just goes by too quickly for me to appreciate it the way you do. Looks like he's kind of walking sideways actually.

[Justin]

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/myers-new-mask.jpg


He looks ridiculous.

[DAN!]

i think hes cute

[Word Smith]

I used to think that too but I seem to read alot of kids nowadays on forums, who don't really appreciate it like I'd want them to. It's my number one all time Horror for sure though.

Escape:

It's not their fault. Kids today have been showered by horrible CGI and even worse story lines. So it is no surprise to me if they stick their noses up to the classics in comparison to the horribly made remakes.

It really is a shame.

:(


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[Titanic]

Looks terrible...

[RUNE63]

someone is definitely smoking hash,who in their right mind would hire zombie to make anymore movies,this unoriginal bastard should be banned from making anything more than a soda pop comercial.
someone needs to take zombie and m. night shaymalangdong and throw them into the darkest abyss.oh ya amd the idiots who made disastermovie as well,
there is ten minutes of my life I would love to have back.

[randombum]

not interested.

[WuTical]

love the new poster

[Escape]

Escape:

It's not their fault. Kids today have been showered by horrible CGI and even worse story lines. So it is no surprise to me if they stick their noses up to the classics in comparison to the horribly made remakes.

It really is a shame.

:(

I agree Word Smith. Though I'm not one to snub a remake since I always give them a chance to at least be decent enough to entertain me. However, most of the time that's just not the case.

[SnoBorderZero]

Hahaha I just watched the trailer and it's just as horrible as I thought it'd be. Nothing about it looks even mediocre.

[Naseer434]

The only thing Rob did with Halloween was make it more gory and the 1st remake was ok at best and the only reason I say its ok is because it goes deeper into the origin of Myers .

[Art_of_crime]

^ that was kind of the problem I had with it. I don't want to know more about myers. it makes him more of a sympathetic character. I liked him best as the soulless mindless embodiment of evil. if you make him human you detract from what makes him so scary.

[jadelee]

I agree with you! He isn't very scary now! :omg:

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[swurleez]

everyone's dogging on rob zombie here, but i, for one, can't wait for this movie! i'm super excited!! and the band he put in it... captain clegg and the night creatures... they are amazingly creepy and cool!!! :applaud:

http://www.myspace.com/captaincleggfansite
and i love their posters!!
look at this one!! it's awesome!!
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g12/GCMoore61/CaptainClegg_Poster_DevilsRiver.jpg

[3dfan]

Well sequel is rather bad idea because the first movie wasn't very good - maybe it is his way to say to everyone to f*** off and that he does he wants to do no matter what? who knows...

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[the elmo zombie]

kinda liked the new trailer without the scenes with his mom and younger self

[EnderDeschain]

This will probably suck. I shoulda known better than to watch the trailer, but I did, and um this will probably suck. I can't believe he's lifting a ****in car. But I will admit that I'm insanely curious as to how Zombie will approach this, and there is no doubt that I will be in line to see it as soon as it opens, so I guess the man's doing his job. There was that stuff at the end of the original part 2 with "samhain" written on the chalkboard at the school, and some subsequent hints of supernatural **** in Loomis's dialogue, I think, but it looks like there'll be more than that in this one. I just hope they don't do that stupid Thorn crap from part 6, or anything like it.

[Missy606]

I so cant wait for halloween to come out.. he is wicked at making movies and music.. Each and every movie that i seen that he made i could watch over and over and over again... ROB ZOMBIE RULES

[charlesleeray]

Does anyone else think that way too much of this film has been released?

In the new trailer they show a great amount of deaths.
I'm sure some are bound to be a dream or daydream but still.

Rob said he wasnt going to release alot on this film..

[Myerszilla]

I'm really pumped for H2, and can't wait to see it opening day. Maybe I'm a little biased but I'd say everyone should check it out before just shrugging it off crap before seeing the entire movie.

[renullabas]

Malcolm McDowell, Tyler Mane, Scout Taylor-Compton, Brad Dourif, Chris Hardwick staring in the movie upcoming and it was the biggest waited movie for many horror and thriller movie fans . oh I have seen the movie Halloween II (2009) (http://www.*******************.com) trailer of this movie and it was fine indeed the grate return of the rampage killer and the teens frighten begins again it was a fine movie to be watch in the future free movies (http://www.*******************.com) most of the times i saw some of the finest trailer such as this one.

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[Myerszilla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFH4bVfQT7g

The unused trailer is the best one so far. I advise everyone to check it out and see if it changes your view on how good the film will be or not.

[Matrix_Fan]

It's bothersome that the unused trailer turns out to be the best one, since I thought the last two trailers ranged from terrible to mediocre. I'm seeing this at midnight tomorrow with Maul and a friend of ours whose a die hard Rob Zombie fan. The reactions should be interesting.

What I can never get my head around when watching these trailers is the ambulance crash scene. I hope there's a moment when something darts out in the road, causing the crash, but watching the trailers make me laugh only because I like to think that the driver is just incompetent.

[ckflyer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFH4bVfQT7g

The unused trailer is the best one so far. I advise everyone to check it out and see if it changes your view on how good the film will be or not.

It completely changed my view, to be honest. It seems to me like Rob Zombie realizes that he needs to do something new with the franchise, make it unlike any other halloween movie.

I think the problem with H1, at least in my mind, was that it seemed like the new stuff was awkward simply because the rest of was almost identical to the original. But now that he has the initial "remake" out of the way, he can focus on making the franchise more his.

I'm much more willing to give this movie a chance after seeing the leaked trailer, though. The theatrical trailer seemed eh to me.

[Myerszilla]

I think the problem with the first is Rob wasn't allowed to do his real vision, and he had to make it as close to the original as the studio wanted. This time he was fully in charge of doing his own vision, and that's why I think the film is going to be great.

[Ewok Droppings]

No, Rob Zombie's problem is that his dialog and his characters are both retarded in his movies. It's like he was locked up in a dungeon his whole life without human interaction to find out how people actually behave. I find myself annoyed at most of his main characters more than anything.

[Myerszilla]

Haha, I just had this discussion on another forum but okay....

In his movies, I find his characters to be very realistic. There are people that act that way in real life, and I've had or heard plenty of dicussions that went along the lines of what we've heard in his movies. I probably drop more f-bombs than all of his movies combined on a daily basis, so to say his dialogue is retarded is very, very wrong.

[Ewok Droppings]

It's not the F-bomb count in his dialog it's the stupidity of the content. It's like they try every way possible to be over-the-top psychotic to the point of ridiculous. If anyone truly believes his characters are close to reality, I'd like to see the medication they're on.

[ckflyer]

I agree that the "shrill rednecks" do get tiresome, but I like his dirty visuals a lot, and it seems like he tries to fit his characters to reflect that.

About "realisim," I think Zombie tries to make everyone in the movies somewhat reprehensible in order to make things more believable. I mean, a if we went by the original, how could someone dressed in a boiler suit and white mask easily hide out in a clean suburban town?

The leaked trailer someone linked really shows the grittiness, another element I look forward to.

[Myerszilla]

From what Wayne Toth (special make-up effects) has said, this movie will be a lot more gritty than the first. If there's anything I love, it's gritty movies.

[Ewok Droppings]

First reviews aren't exactly pleasant:

"a repellent and incompetent monstrosity that should put to rest for good the weirdly persistent rumor that he has even a shred of talent as a filmmaker..."

http://www.efilmcritic.com/feature.php?feature=2826

[Matrix_Fan]

Just came back from a midnight screening. F***ing awful doesn't even begin to describe it. Review of sorts later on in the afternoon.

[the elmo zombie]

saw the midnight. wasnt as bad as his last one but still.......dammit bobby you did it again

[taketwo]

.dammit bobby you did it again

Yeah, he made another enjoyable horror movie, again (his last one was the devil's rejects)!

[Myerszilla]

Saw the movie and loved it...thought it was great. 9/10

[Ewok Droppings]

So much for your credibility.

[taketwo]

First reviews aren't exactly pleasant:

"a repellent and incompetent monstrosity that should put to rest for good the weirdly persistent rumor that he has even a shred of talent as a filmmaker..."

http://www.efilmcritic.com/feature.php?feature=2826

Why's everyone skipping the positive reviews for this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2009/08/28/2009-08-28_halloween_ii_.html

[halo7]

It is a needle in a haystack type of situation.

[Myerszilla]

So much for your credibility.

Lol, just my opinion. We don't all have to like or hate the same things.

[Chillingworth]

Yeah, he made another enjoyable horror movie, again (his last one was the devil's rejects)!

Dude dude dude no. Devil's Rejects was great and you know why 'cuz it wasn't called HALLOWEEN. Well that's not all that's why, but it was good because it had no preexisting anything. Halloween 2 sucked 'cuz it had the Halloween name attached to it, and not only that, it ****ing sucked. For a long while I was thinking "this might be okay if it wasn't Halloween", but then the first five minutes were over. Jesus ****ing christ, even if it had been called "God This Movie Sucks" it still wouldn't have met expectations. It wasn't bad enough that it was bad, but they stamped that ****ing name on it and **** all over everything it supposedly represents. I've never been more disappointed in my life than when I walked out tonight, and I saw ****ing Curse Of Michael Myers and Resurrection at the goddamn theater. They didn't suck half as bad as this. I've always liked Rob Zombie's music, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt on the first one even though it sucked, but if he walked through my door right now I'd immediately knock his ****ing block off. This sucked, and so does he, no matter what he's done in the past. This unmakes up for it. Is unmakes up a word? Whatever. Rob Zombie unmade up for himself with this crapheap movie.

[Apple Pie]

It's official: no more Rob Zombie for me.

[laurencn106]

Exactly, the backstory was just totally useless, but actually I found the actual "remake" part to be the most painful to sit through. Rob Zombie can't write dialogue for **** as exemplified by the "girl talk" in the movie.
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[Myerszilla]

Nah, yes he can. I've heard plenty of girls talk like that, and his writing definitely got better with H2.

[4EverJohnnyBoy]

The film just didn't work for me, it didn't feel like a "Halloween" film. Check out my review on my personal blog:

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[Myerszilla]

After two viewings of this in theaters, I'm very glad Zombie decided to come back to do a second movie.

[DAN!]

and thank god he isn't doing a 3rd

[Ewok Droppings]

Amen

[Stay Puft]

I'll admitt, the previews for this one looked a lot better than the piece of crap that was the first one. However, my brother and a couple of friends saw it, said it too was crap

[Art_of_crime]

From everything I've been hearing it sounds like it would not be a horrible movie if it wasn't tied into the Halloween franchise. If it was just a random horror movie it would be passable, but going into it knowing what it could be, and what it was made from makes it suck in a lot of eyes. Is that accurate? Or was this just one big pile of mutant gorilla dookie?

[Myerszilla]

It's a great addition to the Halloween franchise because it did something new, instead of rehashing the same things we've already seen. I think it's a shame that Zombie isn't returning to do more Halloween films but I still have faith in Farmer & Lussier.

[gar19rett]

i commend zombie for trying to do something different but i think he failed this didnt feel like halloween what so ever

[Matrix_Fan]

Zombie should just direct movies. He has a nice visual style, but his skills as a writer are sorely lacking at best, you've seen one Zombie scripted movie, you've seen them all.