Indiana Jones 5 (Let the speculation begin!)

[DragnFire22]

George Lucas on a Fifth Indiana Jones
Source: The Sunday July 28, 2008

With Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull having earned a massive $743.7 million worldwide (#27 on the all-time worldwide list), The Sunday Times asked George Lucas if he, Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford would be up for a fifth film:

"We were hoping for box-office figures like that, which is, ultimately, with inflation, what the others have done, within 10%," Lucas explains. "So, we squeaked up there. Really, though, it was a challenge getting the story together and getting everybody to agree on it. Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying 'I want it this way' and 'I want it that way', whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, 'We'll do it this way' — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it's a little hard on a practical level.

"If I can come up with another idea that they like, we'll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn't that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we'd like to take. I'm in the future; Steven's in the past. He's trying to drag it back to the way they were, I'm trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It's kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we'll see where we are able to take the next one."

One suggestion? A shorter title! Check out the full interview at the link above.

How ****ing arrogant does he sound?

[Bond AK 45]

Lucas has been a pretty cocky bastard ever since the first star wars and the money it made, made him lose his mind. I truely beleave he coulnd't care less about what the fans (who made him such a success) think about any of the films he has control of. And im assumeing Lucas wants to go into the "future" so it gives him more of an excuse to put more of his ILM Special FX into it like he did in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to make him even more money. I also heard somewhere that he wants Shia Labeouf's character "Mutt" to take more of the central character lead role and have Indy be more of a supportive role like his father in The Last Crusade. Why don't we have an Indiana Jones film...without Indy even in it while we're at it if we're thinking like that. Since Lucas created the character, its ganna be hard to please him, spielberg and ford to go along with it the next time around if this stuff is already happening. I hope another is made because the character is timeless, but written better than Kingdom. But with news like this from Lucas, im not holding my breath....and its a damn shame.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Indiana Jones and The Tomb of King Arthur. If you want it to be dark and violent like Temple of Doom, George has to get divorced.

[Doomsday]

I want them to make another to make up for #4....but there's no guarantee it won't suck just as hard.

I say just leave it be, they've already done enough to the franchise.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

They need another because King Arthur screams supernatural.

[DragnFire22]

What happens to Indiana Jones if Lucas dies?

[Ewok Droppings]

What caught my attention in the article is that all he was concerned about is that it made within 10% of what the others pulled in. At what point does he stop and say "wait a minute, this movie really wasn't that great" and realize it's not just about the profits? Had he made another good Indy movie, he could have destroyed his forecasts and made way more.

[Doomsday]

Seriously. A good Indy movie would have crushed anything Iron Man or Batman would have thrown at it. Unfortunately, a good Indy movie isn't really what we got. It still did well, it just didn't meet its potential.

[DragnFire22]

I'm all for a 5th Indy. Let Spielberg run wild with it.

[Ewok Droppings]

but keep Lucas and his CGI machine away from it

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Like I said, we need emo Lucas. The one that wrote Temple of Doom. We need contraversial violence. Something RotS lacked. Contraversial violence.

[SnoBorderZero]

George Lucas on a Fifth Indiana Jones
Source: The Sunday July 28, 2008

With Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull having earned a massive $743.7 million worldwide (#27 on the all-time worldwide list), The Sunday Times asked George Lucas if he, Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford would be up for a fifth film:

"We were hoping for box-office figures like that, which is, ultimately, with inflation, what the others have done, within 10%," Lucas explains. "So, we squeaked up there. Really, though, it was a challenge getting the story together and getting everybody to agree on it. Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying 'I want it this way' and 'I want it that way', whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, 'We'll do it this way' — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it's a little hard on a practical level.

"If I can come up with another idea that they like, we'll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn't that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we'd like to take. I'm in the future; Steven's in the past. He's trying to drag it back to the way they were, I'm trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It's kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we'll see where we are able to take the next one."

One suggestion? A shorter title! Check out the full interview at the link above.


Hmm.... I wonder why the newest one was so terrible. Oh, here's the exact reason why. So Spielberg wants it to be like the first 3, as in the movies that were great and made the franchise what it was. Lucas on the other hand wasnts to keep pumping out garbage like #4. Now I have 0 blame on Spielberg for the mess, it's clear it's all Mr. One Time Wonder George Lucas's fault. Seriously, his ideas? Psssh. Spielberg and Lawrence Kasdan are responsible for Raiders of the Lost Ark, NOT GEORGE LUCAS! The guy is such an arrogant fool. He made THX-1138, a GREAT movie. Then he co-wrote American Graffiti, which is good but also quite overrated. Then of course the man conceives Star Wars, and then he completely tanks. Once again, Lawrence Kasdan is the man with the brain that gets no credit, as he wrote Empire Strikes Back. Lucas maybe came up with the character of Indiana Jones, but in no way did he do anything beyond funding for it. Need I remind you of how terrible the Star Wars prequels were? Do I even need to mention Howard the Duck? The man is a hack, a tool, and an arrogant joke that's fallen back on one movie. He is actually talking down Spielberg. Is that even plausible?

[Alien]

So after the failuer of Crystal Skull they want to do a 5th!? It might've made some money but the fans were screaming for blood after they saw it. If you ask me Crystal Skull failed coz Indy is too damned old!

[PsYkOoOoO]

The only possibility for a good fifth Indy movie would be firing George Lucas from the job.

[MasterChief117]

but keep Lucas and his CGI machine away from it

Agreed. I can't wait for a 5th but if only they can pull away from the overdone CG sequences.

[Tornado]

Am I the only one who really enjoyed the newest film? Maybe I just went in with low expectations, I don't know.

I'd like to see a fifth film, but I'd want less involvement from Lucas.

[Alien]

I enjoyed it but I'm not a Indy fan so I just took it as a adventure movie more than a Indy movie.

[The Walrus]

I think that both men have a good way and a bad way of going about it. Spielberg would like to do it the way it was, which is honestly not that original (not to say I wouldn't get a kick out of it). So I can admire Lucas wanting to push it in a new direction. However, for Lucas, a "new direction" is somewhere way down south. So if I had to pick the lesser of two evils, I'd definitely go with Spielberg.

I can't believe Lucas actually criticized the man responsible for half of his studio production.

[boydston_14]

Am I the only one who really enjoyed the newest film? Maybe I just went in with low expectations, I don't know.

I'd like to see a fifth film, but I'd want less involvement from Lucas.

I enjoyed the new one, and a few of my friends did as well. In fact, only a couple of people I know didn't like the new one. That said I'd be up for a fifth one if they came up with a good enough story for it and could make it within the next three or four years.

[Deexan]

At least now, with KotCS failing to meet most people's expectations, we won't be getting our hopes up again only to be let down...

[Bond AK 45]

At least now, with KotCS failing to meet most people's expectations, we won't be getting our hopes up again only to be let down...

Unfortunatly your absolutly right. Its just kind of sadly ironic that the man who came up with the character is the one that is destroying it all togeather just because he's become a money hungry hack.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Unfortunatly your absolutly right. Its just kind of sadly ironic that the man who came up with the character is the one that is destroying it all togeather just because he's become a money hungry hack.

Not the first time he has done so, by the way.

He actually screwed every single character in Star Wars upside down, too.

[Knerys]

What happens to Indiana Jones if Lucas dies?

Lucas died years ago. This is a alien cyborg he had built to replace him so he could torment us forever.


I'm in the future; Steven's in the past. He's trying to drag it back to the way they were, I'm trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension.
I guess friendship only goes so far...

[Ewok Droppings]

Lucas died years ago. This is a alien cyborg he had built to replace him so he could torment us forever.Actually, I think he's really CG. It's his legacy. LucasArts created him to make more movies and more money as well as promote their CG facilities.

[prairiewind]

Am I the only one who really enjoyed the newest film? Maybe I just went in with low expectations, I don't know.

I'd like to see a fifth film, but I'd want less involvement from Lucas.

I enjoyed it. It wasn't the best of the four, but it wasn't the worst, either. I'd like another, but with less Lucas.

And since I've gotten exactly as many years older as Ford has, I don't mind that Indy got older! :funny:

prairie

[JBond]

Excuse me if this has been many times in this thread already, I don't care...

Lucas is saying how now everyone has to agree on a script and before it was "just what I (Lucas) want"?? Am I wrong, or was Indy 4 going to be made a year earlier untill Lucas said "no way" and waited until there was something HE liked. What's the difference?

[Knerys]

Ok, I read that post 4 times and maybe it's the fact that it is 3:20 and I'm bored out of my mind at work....but what?

[Doomsday]

Excuse me if this has been many times in this thread already, I don't care...

Lucas is saying how now everyone has to agree on a script and before it was "just what I (Lucas) want"?? Am I wrong, or was Indy 4 going to be made a year earlier untill Lucas said "no way" and waited until there was something HE liked. What's the difference?

He also said at the very early stages (early to mid 90s) that they either go with the alien/Area 51 theme or he wouldn't be part of it. I read in the Vanity Fair article that came out in December or so how he was in his office during the development stages of Star Wars NT and the idea hit him, and told those involved that it was basically his way or the highway.

[JBond]

I lose more respect for Lucas all of the time.

[Knerys]

:(

[SnoBorderZero]

Lucas is a joke. Seriously, where does he get the idea to talk down Spielberg?

[Fanible]

Good lord, I really want to punch Lucas square in the nads. It won't get us a better movie, but at least it will make me smile.

[JBond]

Lucas is a joke. Seriously, where does he get the idea to talk down Spielberg?

You almost get the feeling sometimes that Spielberg get annoyed with him too. I sometimes read quotes from him that bascialy say "Yeah, well, that's Lucas".

[SnoBorderZero]

You almost get the feeling sometimes that Spielberg get annoyed with him too. I sometimes read quotes from him that bascialy say "Yeah, well, that's Lucas".

The strange thing is that this isn't new and went on during the original Indiana Jones movies, but they all turned out great. To me, I'd just rather listen to the guy with 2 Best Director Oscars over the man responsible for the production of Howard the Duck.

[Deexan]

You almost get the feeling sometimes that Spielberg get annoyed with him too. I sometimes read quotes from him that bascialy say "Yeah, well, that's Lucas".

When Speilberg and Ford are instant messaging and talking about Lucas the :rolleyes: smiley must be in overdrive.

[Knerys]

Heh heh...

[Ewok Droppings]

To me, I'd just rather listen to the guy with 2 Best Director Oscars over the man responsible for the production of Howard the Duck.

Hey, what's wrong with Howard the Duck? ;)

[sshuttari]

oh man... I hope this doesn't happen. These new indy films are hurting the classics.

[JBond]

No they're not. :confused:

[Ewok Droppings]

I'd like a new one if Lucas stays out of it. Let Spielberg do what he does best and let Lucas not do what he does best.

[sshuttari]

No they're not. :confused:

I just don't want today's kids to watch these movies and not really like em and not watch the classics.

That's what a lot of friends did, there like indy 4 was okay but I don't think I'm going to watch the old ones.

and I was just like wtf....

[Doomsday]

They should just grab a few of us CSers and have us collaborate and write a script. A lot of us know more about Indy than Lucas and Spielberg probably do anyways. ;)

[King_of_Skid_Row]

^Yeah just as long as you guys pick something supernatural for Indy to find. And give him a creepy villain like Mola Ram. Mola Ram is still by far Indy's best villain.

[MasterChief117]

They should just grab a few of us CSers and have us collaborate and write a script. A lot of us know more about Indy than Lucas and Spielberg probably do anyways. ;)

Something tells me they would pick King and Redvader, talk about a weird movie. :):rolleyes:

[Doomsday]

^Yeah just as long as you guys pick something supernatural for Indy to find. And give him a creepy villain like Mola Ram. Mola Ram is still by far Indy's best villain.

Atlantis.

Period.

[slinger]

I just don't want today's kids to watch these movies and not really like em and not watch the classics.

That's what a lot of friends did, there like indy 4 was okay but I don't think I'm going to watch the old ones.

and I was just like wtf....

Get new friends.

1960: Indiana Jones survives the first nuclear test in France. ;)

[FVD]

While I liked Skull I do think they should have gone with Darabont's script. I actually wouldn't mind taking a look at it if it's been leaked anywhere.

[Bond AK 45]

While I liked Skull I do think they should have gone with Darabont's script. I actually wouldn't mind taking a look at it if it's been leaked anywhere.

Go to the link and at that page, under "file" click the first link.

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Purported_Indiana_Jones_4_original_screenplay_draf t

[MasterChief117]

Am I the only one who really enjoyed the newest film? Maybe I just went in with low expectations, I don't know.

I'd like to see a fifth film, but I'd want less involvement from Lucas.

WHAT! I so enjoyed that film, hell I was like the only one that gave it like a high 8. Man, people these days. :rolleyes:

[sshuttari]

Get new friends.

1960: Indiana Jones survives the first nuclear test in France. ;)

haha there good people they just don't care for film.

Which I understand everyone has there own hobbies and interests.

[Tornado]

WHAT! I so enjoyed that film, hell I was like the only one that gave it like a high 8. Man, people these days. :rolleyes:

I gave it a B+.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Atlantis.

Period.

What is so fascinating about Atlantis!? What could Indy do that Colonel Sheppard hasn't done in Stargate Atlantis? Nothng.

[DragnFire22]

More importantly, how many millions of people don't watch Stargate?

[King_of_Skid_Row]

More importantly how many have not seen something related to Atlantis?

Since we're going to let Indy go after recycled type treasures, let's have him hunt down King Tut's Tomb in Indy 6. Seriously discovering Atlantis would be Indy's biggest underachievement.

[Knerys]

Because that show has the monopoly on Atlantis?

[King_of_Skid_Row]

I'd rather see him go after the Four Hallows of Britain than a recycled idea( plus I do believe he already discovered Atlantis in one of the books).

[Doomsday]

What is so fascinating about Atlantis!? What could Indy do that Colonel Sheppard hasn't done in Stargate Atlantis? Nothng.

How many people have done Atlantis? How many mainstream films or tv shows have done Atlantis (and don't drop Stargate, not that many people watch it)? Atlantis has always been a topic of study and discussion, and what else is there to do really that isn't just as out there? Exalibur? What's he gonna do with that? Garden of Eden? Fountain of Youth?

Atlantis is where it's at, it's popular enough, mythological, so many things you can do with it, and it beats the hell out of aliens in South America.

More importantly how many have not seen something related to Atlantis?


Like aliens or the Holy Grail are any better? ;)

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Anything beats aliens in South America.

Since we're going to have him go after recycled ideas, let's have him go after King Tut's Tomb or the Sphinx in Indy 6.

[Tornado]

I think you misinterpret the term "recycled idea," as far as filmmaking goes. A recycled idea as far as Indy goes would be having him again search for the Ark of the Covenant or the Holy Grail. Having him search for Atlantis would be (awesome) fresh.

[Doomsday]

Think of it this way, the only way you're going to have a completely original idea is if you make something up out of thin air. Anything else you can call 'recycled.'

[Knerys]

He did go for Atlanis in one of the videos games. ;)


I would like to see Atlanis....or Excalibur. Or Lucas locked in a box at the bottom of the Artic Ocean until the premiere.....

[sshuttari]

I say get rid of Lucas, keep everyone else :D

[Kitty]

I hope that any sort of development of another indy movie never gets off the ground. For chrissakes, the latest one wasn't that great, why butcher it even more?

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Because apparently Atlantis might be Indy's greatest adventure.

[sshuttari]

The new indy films will never be as good as the first three.

I saw stop trying and move on from trying to make a better franchise.

[halo7]

You guys are forgetting Disney's Atlantis... :(

[DragnFire22]

I hope that any sort of development of another indy movie never gets off the ground. For chrissakes, the latest one wasn't that great, why butcher it even more?

Nothing has been butchered.

[Knerys]

You guys are forgetting Disney's Atlantis... :(

I seem to remember liking that actually...

[sshuttari]

it was decent probably the last 2D disney flick that was actually good.

[Doomsday]

You guys are forgetting Disney's Atlantis... :(

http://vadercoaster.ytmnd.com/

[IAmARevenant]

Lucas has been a pretty cocky bastard ever since the first star wars and the money it made, made him lose his mind. I truely beleave he coulnd't care less about what the fans (who made him such a success) think about any of the films he has control of. And im assumeing Lucas wants to go into the "future" so it gives him more of an excuse to put more of his ILM Special FX into it like he did in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to make him even more money. I also heard somewhere that he wants Shia Labeouf's character "Mutt" to take more of the central character lead role and have Indy be more of a supportive role like his father in The Last Crusade. Why don't we have an Indiana Jones film...without Indy even in it while we're at it if we're thinking like that. Since Lucas created the character, its ganna be hard to please him, spielberg and ford to go along with it the next time around if this stuff is already happening. I hope another is made because the character is timeless, but written better than Kingdom. But with news like this from Lucas, im not holding my breath....and its a damn shame.
We already had Indiana Jones Jr., and obviously that did well.....

[Doomsday]

Added a poll I thought might bring a bit of discussion....

[Ewok Droppings]

So will Shaia be using only one hand from now on due to his accident? Kind of hard to take the lead in an Indy movie with a smashed hand.

And can we add to the poll a "Maybe on DVD" or something like that?

[JBond]

Added a poll I thought might bring a bit of discussion....

Not enough choices. The only choice for seeing it in theaters is "Hell yeah". What about "under protest" or "I sort of have to because it's Indiana Jones"

[IanTheCool]

I'd rather see him go after the Four Hallows of Britain than a recycled idea( plus I do believe he already discovered Atlantis in one of the books).

Glorified fan fiction doesn't count.

Maybe it should be Raiders of the Other Lost Ark and have him look for Noah's ark.

[Ewok Droppings]

I sort of have to because it's Indiana JonesI like that one.

[Doomsday]

Do you want me to edit the poll again....?

"Hell yeah."
"Depends on what else is playing."
"How much was George Lucas involved?"
"Shia LaBeouf's scenes were cut, right?"
"My mom said she would pay for my ticket."
"I got a free movie ticket for my birthday."
"Depends on if Indy actually kills anybody."
"No really, is there anything else playing?"
"I hear George Lucas wrote the story based around characters from Warcraft, so count me in."

[Dhamon22]

Haha. I thought the options were fine. I picked "maybe on DVD".

[JBond]

Do you want me to edit the poll again....?

"Hell yeah."
"Depends on what else is playing."
"How much was George Lucas involved?"
"Shia LaBeouf's scenes were cut, right?"
"My mom said she would pay for my ticket."
"I got a free movie ticket for my birthday."
"Depends on if Indy actually kills anybody."
"No really, is there anything else playing?"
"I hear George Lucas wrote the story based around characters from Warcraft, so count me in."

Could you? Thanks, that'll be great.

[Ewok Droppings]

Do you want me to edit the poll again....?

"Hell yeah."
"Depends on what else is playing."
"How much was George Lucas involved?"
"Shia LaBeouf's scenes were cut, right?"
"My mom said she would pay for my ticket."
"I got a free movie ticket for my birthday."
"Depends on if Indy actually kills anybody."
"No really, is there anything else playing?"
"I hear George Lucas wrote the story based around characters from Warcraft, so count me in."

Can you add "Only if Megan Fox appears in lingerie throughout the movie?" That's the only one I see that's missing.

[cwuSTUDent]

I'd rather see him go after the Four Hallows of Britain than a recycled idea.

:nono: Three, three Hallows

[IanTheCool]

I am not familiar with these hallows. What is there deal?

[Ewok Droppings]

I don't know that there is much that comes out of Lucas' mouth anymore that doesn't sound completely arrogant. I really hope he doesn't come up with some other really stupid idea for Indy 5.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/tacoma/24hour/entertainment/story/437122.html


Lucas says `Indiana Jones' needs Ford to continue

By RYAN PEARSON ; AP Entertainment Writer
August 7th, 2008 11:19 AM

NICASIO, Calif. -- George Lucas says he's already identified the one person who can keep the "Indiana Jones" franchise going: Harrison Ford.

The filmmaker scoffed at the possibility of passing the famed fedora from Ford to Shia LaBeouf, the 22-year-old actor played Indy's son Mutt Williams in this summer's "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull."

"He is Indiana Jones," Lucas said of Ford. "If Indiana Jones wasn't in it, you'd have to call it 'Mutt Williams and the search for Elvis.' ... "Yeah, it's 'Mutt Williams and the Search for Elvis.'"

Lucas sat down with AP Television at his Big Rock Ranch outside San Francisco, where he said he didn't pay much attention to the reception from critics and fans to "Crystal Skull," a sci-fi adventure set in the 1950s. But he definitely sees a future for Dr. Jones. A fifth movie is certainly a possibility.

"The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea," Lucas said. "And that series is very research-intensive. So we're doing research now to see if we can't come up with another object for him to chase ... hopefully we'll come up with something."

Meanwhile, the 64-year-old has another popular franchise to nurture: "Star Wars."

Lucas produced the animated "Star Wars: Clone Wars," hitting theaters Aug. 15. It will be followed in the fall with the launch of an animated TV series by the same name, airing on the Cartoon Network and TNT. Lucas plans a live-action "Star Wars" TV series as well, and he's also looking into re-releasing the six "Star Wars" films using new 3-D technology.

"We're trying to do that," Lucas said. "We worked on some, with a company that was developing the technology a few years ago to convert films into 3-D, we worked with them. But the system works great. It's just not very practical. So what we've been working on since then is to develop a sort of practical way to do it. And we will get there. It's just a technological challenge."

The producer-director waxed nostalgic for the days when talking to the press wasn't necessary to promote a film.

"I like when you focus on making movies, you make movies and people go to see them," he said. "But there's this whole other industry that's been created which the world hasn't quite adjusted to or caught up to or figured out. It's the same thing with copyright and all kinds of other things where things are going around that I'm sure at some point will become more civilized. I'm just waiting. Like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, I'll go out and adopt twins if they'll pay me $14 million to do it."

[JBond]

"The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea," Lucas said.

We're boned.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

I am not familiar with these hallows. What is there deal?

Two of them I believe are Excalibur and the Spear of Destiny. According to legends, both are claimed to have great power. They would be a prime target for Nazis or Russians in the world of Indy.

ED, please go back to the Star Trek thread.

[Ewok Droppings]

We're boned.

Yeah - that statement had me shaking my head as well. He just doesn't get it.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

I don't get it either. Enlighten me, Anti SW guru.

[Ewok Droppings]

Hhhmmm... well, considering I'm a big SW fan - but not a fanboy that can't admit when a movie is bad I'll enlighten you a little bit. Lucas sucks as writing scripts. His best SW movies (since that's what you like to run around defending) were written and directed by someone OTHER than Lucas. Lucas comes up with crap like Jar Jar Binks and aliens in Indiana Jones. Lucas is borderline senile if he thinks his scripts are good.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Where does it say that he's anti-Star Wars? Enlighten me.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

You haven't been reading many of his posts have you?

[Ewok Droppings]

Which again has never been anti-SW, but rather Anti-Lucas. You're putting 2 and 3 together and getting 9. Read what I wrote before jumping to conclusions.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

The problem is, your anti Lucas comments always come out as anti SW or involves bashing something from SW. And also the stuff in the latest Indy film is blown out of proportion when worst films like Mummy 3 does things more rediculous but don't get blown out of proportion. Why aren't the yetti getting bashed but the monkeys who have a brief cameo get all the negative attention?

[Ewok Droppings]

The problem is, your anti Lucas comments always come out as anti SW or involves bashing something from SW.
Well, I believe we were actually talking about Indiana Jones when you chimed in. Notice my post with a long article about Indiana Jones? And of course it always goes back to SW and Indiana Jones. That's basically all that Lucas has done for the last forever. What am I supposed to refer it back to?

[King_of_Skid_Row]

How about American Graffitti or Willow? But those two were good so no bashing there I guess.

[Ewok Droppings]

Those were like over 20 years ago. Why the crap would we be talking about them in an upcoming movie thread? :rolleyes:

[MasterChief117]

How about American Graffitti or Willow? But those two were good so no bashing there I guess.

American Graffiti was pretty good. I liked the appearance of Harrison Ford and seeing him soo young. Willow was pretty good but that was probably because It had Val Kilmer.

[RedVader 2004]

Wonder why Lucas is liek that i mean Speilberg is as big but he has no ego. I am glad that Peter Jackosn didn't get a Lucas ego after Rings. People say he si one of the ebst guys to work with is PJ. he is a task master but he is a Actor director. Which means someone who is more out going with actors. Its known that Lucas is not a friendly director with actors except for Harrison Ford.

[sshuttari]

Honestly Spielberg should just take over the Indy franchise. I know Lucas has some say on the matter. But the man hasn't done anything good in over 30 years. Suddenly he comes back and starts doing Star Wars and Indy like it's the old days.

He is way past his prime and actually loosing more and more credibility with these new films.

[Tornado]

Honestly Spielberg should just take over the Indy franchise. I know Lucas has some say on the matter. But the man hasn't done anything good in over 30 years. Suddenly he comes back and starts doing Star Wars and Indy like it's the old days.

I think you mean 20 years. ;)

He may not have directed ESB or ROTJ, but he had a heavy hand in both of them.

[SnoBorderZero]

The problem is, your anti Lucas comments always come out as anti SW or involves bashing something from SW. And also the stuff in the latest Indy film is blown out of proportion when worst films like Mummy 3 does things more rediculous but don't get blown out of proportion. Why aren't the yetti getting bashed but the monkeys who have a brief cameo get all the negative attention?

You are comparing two franchises that are uncomparable in quality. Sorry, but every single Mummy movie sucks. Even the first one is just whatever (Seriously, watch it again). There is nothing to be expected of a movie franchise that has delivered garbage each time.

Indiana Jones however is the one of the greatest ever. It redefined the adventure genre and delivered in quality each time. Do you see what I'm getting at? No one cares that the new Mummy movie is awful because we all could've seen that coming a mile away. The movie has yetis, dragons, Jet Li, and mummies (all done in awful CGI as well). No one said that movie was better than the new Indiana Jones, and no one cares about the stupid Mummy series enough to complain.

And American Graffiti is alright (though vastly overrated) and Lucas was not the sole writer of it, once again pointing to the fact that he can't write anything on his own (save THX-1138 and Ep. IV).

[King_of_Skid_Row]

It becomes a problem when things in a decent film are blown more out of proportion than things in a bad film.

Also The Mummy has become a big franchise too.

[SnoBorderZero]

Okay, but that decent film belonged to one of Hollywood's biggest franchises, not just in revenue but in quality.

I would hardly consider The Mummy movies anything more than low-grade entertainment, so there's no expectations that come with it. And a big franchise based on what?

[slinger]

We're boned.

I hope Lucasfilms' research team comes back and tells him he shouldn't be involved at all. Charts showing The Indy and Star Wars trilogy vs Indy 4 and the SW prequels.

[Ewok Droppings]

Indiana Jones and the Quest for Lucas Sanity

[Knerys]

Lucas is an idea man. Too bad he hasn't had a good one since 1990. :(

[Ewok Droppings]

Well, don't forget. The franchise depends on him coming up with a good idea. Kind of like Jar Jar Binks was a good idea.

[Neverending]

Wonder why Lucas is like that i mean Speilberg is as big but and he has no ego.

And Spielberg has more reasons to have an ego seeing as he has been directing quality movies since 1975. Lucas hadn't directed a movie in 20 years when he returned. He was just a business man which is where he belongs. He needs to leave the creative work to other people.

He may not have directed ESB or ROTJ, but he had a heavy hand in both of them.

Actually he unofficially directed ROTJ. Just like Spielberg unofficially directed Poltergeist. ;)

[King_of_Skid_Row]

If you want to work in this time period, it needs to be Rated R and the supernatural elements must be removed.

[Ewok Droppings]

Tell that to the producers of Iron Man and The Dark Knight.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

You don't see anything supernatural in them. But everyone has different expectations for certain films. Indy must apply to the two I listed. Mainly for Indy work in this time, the supernatural elements have to be removed. Have to be. It's a must.

[DragnFire22]

I wish I knew where you lived.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

^Where the losers roam ;) . I'm the king.

[Tornado]

I feel sorry for that little blip on the map then.

[SnoBorderZero]

Tell that to the producers of Iron Man and The Dark Knight.

It's hard to explain how hard I laughed/clapped at this over the internet through typing, but take my word for it. I did both for awhile.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

The Dark Knight almost got an R. So it borderlined R. Lucas and the crew should take indy a step further. Imagine a whole movie with stuff as grim as the heart ripping.

[SnoBorderZero]

I bet you'd like to see an R-rated Ninja Turtles too. How would Indiana Jones being more violent translate it into being better? It doesn't even fit the style. It would erase the humor. Indiana Jones isn't Evil Dead, its style is vastly different. Evil Dead can't work without its violence, Indiana Jones doesn't work with extreme violence. What works for some movies doesn't work for others.

How old are you? It seems like you want everything to be rated R because you've just been allowed to watch them. R does not equal better. In fact many times directors use violence/language/sex to make up for the fact that their material isn't any good.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Personally, I enjoy Indy being Indy. I'm just telling what most people want. What most people want doesn't really mean what I want since I'm in the small minority who thought KotCS was pretty entertaining. When you are business man in showbiz, you got to look at what the majority wants and give it to them because they are the ones who want to see it. Majority of public wants Indy to be gritty and realistic. If Lucas was smart and obviously he isn't right now, he would give the fans something along the lines as Temple of Doom only darker and no supernatural stuff.

[SnoBorderZero]

Hmmm well actually I see your point there. I think for me the new Indiana Jones was campy, but not in a fun way like the originals, just plain old dumb. It doesn't need to be rated R, but I'll agree with you that a bit more grit/realism wouldn't hurt.

[sshuttari]

yeah especially after the last Indy film...

[Deexan]

I'm in the small majority who thought KotCS was pretty entertaining.

...

[King_of_Skid_Row]

I meant minority. Sorry about that. I changed it.

[DragnFire22]

^Where the losers roam ;) . I'm the king.

I'm serious. Where do you live?

Personally, I enjoy Indy being Indy. I'm just telling what most people want. What most people want doesn't really mean what I want since I'm in the small minority who thought KotCS was pretty entertaining. When you are business man in showbiz, you got to look at what the majority wants and give it to them because they are the ones who want to see it. Majority of public wants Indy to be gritty and realistic. If Lucas was smart and obviously he isn't right now, he would give the fans something along the lines as Temple of Doom only darker and no supernatural stuff.

Temple of Doom was dark because of the supernatural stuff, idiot.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

I'm serious. Where do you live?

Under a roof.

[DragnFire22]

Fine, be scared.

And I like how you only chose to respond to one part of my post. Coward.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

To your second response. The supernatural stuff didn't dominate the whole film. And lets not forget how little of the supernatural stuff was in Last Crusade.

[SnoBorderZero]

For me it had nothing to do with the material, just the way it was portrayed. The script was very bad, a real shock considering it was by David Koepp. I think it's one of those movies where there were a lot of differing opinions on the final result, and it showed.

[DragnFire22]

The supernatural stuff didn't dominate the whole film?! The movie was about the search for a mystical stone that was stolen by a CULT! Oh, and the leader of the cult can rip mens' hearts out and voodoo the **** out of Indiana Jones.

The Last Crusade revolved around the search for the Holy Grail. That's pretty supernatural. Oh, and I forgot about the centuries old knight that guards it.

[JT3294]

To your second response. The supernatural stuff didn't dominate the whole film. And lets not forget how little of the supernatural stuff was in Last Crusade.

:lol: sorry :lol:

[Doomsday]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56314

sigh....

[Tornado]

Bring on Atlantis, please.

[Boro]

Oh boy. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/44.gif

[sshuttari]

oh wow... If Harrison Ford is back I'll be all game.

[donny]

I wonder if Tom Selleck will finally get cast this time around.

[SnoBorderZero]

I agree with Doomsday's sigh

[Deexan]

If we all make George Lucas voodoo dolls we can try to take him out of the equation.

[jbailey84]

i'm down for an Indy 5 if Ford is back. looking for Atlantis would be awesome. it'd be cool if the movie was just him looking for the place, no Nazis, no russians, just him and Mutt looking for Atlantis.

[DAN!]

a sequel to wall street, too?

[casablanca3]

Yeah, the Wall Street news has been out for awhile and I am game for 5 only if it is Harrison. If it is Shia and no Harrison or anyone and no Harrison I will be beyond pissed. Highly doubt Spielberg comes back if Ford doesn't want to though.

[jbailey84]

maybe 5 will be sorta of passing the torch to Shia and 6 will be just Shia? unless Ford plays a role like Connery in Last Crusade, for part 6.

[slinger]

They can either salvage the franchise or really tarnish it. "Spiegs" only has a handful of duds, perhaps he can put out another good Indy film. John Williams has to wake up and do a good score or retire.

a sequel to wall street, too?

Stone and Douglas are back too.

[Ewok Droppings]

The last one just felt like they weren't even trying. It's like they didn't want to leave the studio so Lucas and his CGI machine bastardized Indiana Jones.

[SnoBorderZero]

Why would Indy 5 be any different with Ford coming back? He was in the 4th one as well and that didn't save anything. They need to just leave it alone. Less sequels, more originals.

[Tornado]

Why would they just leave it alone? It was pretty well received by both the majority of the fans and critics, and it made a **** ton of money. Taking those facts into account, give me one good reason to not make a sequel. The demand is there, why not?

[FVD]

Indiana Jones and the Swelling of George's Neck :rolleyes:

I never thought I'd say this but I really am starting to get sick of Shia. He was fine in Transformers and (What's that House Arrest movie called again?) but now I'm just sick of seeing him.

Can't believe he wants to marry a woman that looks like his mother. That's f**king sick. :nono:

[SnoBorderZero]

Why would they just leave it alone? It was pretty well received by both the majority of the fans and critics, and it made a **** ton of money. Taking those facts into account, give me one good reason to not make a sequel. The demand is there, why not?

It was well received by the majority of fans and critics? What would make you think that? By most it's considered an embarrassment to the franchise, and of course it made a lot of money, it's Indiana Jones. One good reason to not make another? How about the fact that it's going to be helmed by the exact same people Crystal Skull was, which means it'll be just as bad and possibly worse.

And according to Rotten Tomatoes by the Top Critics the film sits at a 59% with the headliners for the positive reviews looking more like apologies for its ridiculousness.

[Tornado]

It was well received by the majority of fans and critics? What would make you think that? By most it's considered an embarrassment to the franchise, and of course it made a lot of money, it's Indiana Jones. One good reason to not make another? How about the fact that it's going to be helmed by the exact same people Crystal Skull was, which means it'll be just as bad and possibly worse.

I meant to say general public, not fans. My mistake.

Regardless, I think people forget films like Indy aren't made for people like us, they're made for the general public. I definitely had a few friends who didn't care for it, but probably 80% or so of the people I talked to about it enjoyed it (my father, probably the biggest Indy fan I know, is included in that figure). I've seen you do this before SnoBorder; it seems like you feel your opinions are the only ones that count (or at least that's the way you come off in your posts), and that just simply isn't the case. Just do us all a favor and don't see the 5th film if it comes out. The constant negativity gets old.

[SnoBorderZero]

I meant to say general public, not fans. My mistake.

Regardless, I think people forget films like Indy aren't made for people like us, they're made for the general public. I definitely had a few friends who didn't care for it, but probably 80% or so of the people I talked to about it enjoyed it (my father, probably the biggest Indy fan I know, is included in that figure). I've seen you do this before SnoBorder; it seems like you feel your opinions are the only ones that count (or at least that's the way you come off in your posts), and that just simply isn't the case. Just do us all a favor and don't see the 5th film if it comes out. The constant negativity gets old.

Why are the Indy films not made for us? I love the original 3 films, which is a big reason why the 4th was so disappointing. Are you saying we're supposed to excuse the flaws of this movie for the sake of the general public's attention spans? I will see the 5th film, and if it's good I'll say so, if it isn't I'll say so. I don't really care if I come off as negative, I really don't. There's a lot more movies that I've seen that I praise than bash. I don't like the 4th film, most people don't, and I wasn't aware that there's a rule on these boards where we have to kiss the ass of every movie released. I never say anything about anyone's opinion of a movie ever being right or wrong, I don't ever say if you're not with me you're wrong. You have one of the most respected opinions from me on here, I don't think anything more or less if you liked the 4th film or not. I don't want to see a 5th one made because there's nothing that points to it being any good and it wouldn't hurt to see less sequels and more original ideas put out there today.

[Tornado]

Yeah I'm sorry, I'm just in a pissy mood tonight. My apologies.

[DAN!]

i still liked Crystal Skulls better than temple of doom.

The two biggest complaints about skulls for me was

1) the fridge scene and

2) the swinging from the vines scene


there might be more, but those are the two that bothered me the most. and they took up a small portion of the movie. Temple of doom on the other hand..... most of the scenes were shot in a cave, which was as exciting as being out in the open, and i couldn't stand spielberg's wife as the female lead. All she did was scream through the whole movie.

I am not a very tough critic. but i did like indy 4, and i would give it at least a B.

[Ewok Droppings]

My biggest complaints from Crystal Skulls was the aliens and the excessive use of CGI. The movie felt like a typical Lucas written script from recent years where stuff flies by and nothing is explained. Apparently now Indiana Jones was some military officer which never was explained in the past. If Lucas can let someone else write his material and quit trying to push ILM to kill the movies then maybe it stands a chance.

[Doomsday]

Kinda what Ewok is saying, but it just didn't feel like an Indy movie. You could really tell they didn't do the on location shooting, it was all soundstages, and like Ewok said, they just threw in minor plot points and explained none of it. The fridge, vines, car cliff diving, to me that's all minor in comparison. If only we could transport the early 80s pre-billionaire Spielberg to today....if only...

[halo7]

Kinda what Ewok is saying, but it just didn't feel like an Indy movie. You could really tell they didn't do the on location shooting, it was all soundstages, and like Ewok said, they just threw in minor plot points and explained none of it. The fridge, vines, car cliff diving, to me that's all minor in comparison. If only we could transport the early 80s pre-billionaire Spielberg to today....if only...

Give the man a break. The film he made before Indy was nominated for Best Picture. He isn't so bad now.

[Doomsday]

I meant in regards to Indy, not his films overall.

[Doomsday]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41459

Frank Marshall Updates On INDY 5! The Script Is "Progressing"!

Following up on Shia LaBeouf's tease from earlier this week, producer Frank Marshall has confirmed to Empire that INDY 5 is in development. According to Marshall, "We had a great time making the last one and, as Harrison said, we need to make this one soon. We're not getting any younger."

So, yes, Harrison, Steven and George are all on board for this fifth movie provided they can settle on a script. Marshall says he hasn't heard the "cracked" idea Shia recently spoke of, but he did drop this nugget on Twitter a little bit ago: "The story for Indy5 is progressing. It is still in the research phase."

Though the excuse for making this fifth film is that they all had a blast making the fourth, I hope the true motivating factor is "We're sorry, and we can do better."

[PG Cooper]

I don't want to see a new Indy for a number of reasons. Mainly because I feel they should have stopped at Last Crusade. It felt like the perfect way to end the franchise. Kingdom I have mixed feelings about. I liked just watching Indy and Marion on screen together. But there was a lot that pissed me off. I don't think I have to explain nuking the fridge or the monkeys and the vines. I hated how they killed off Marcus and Henry Jones Sr, that just hurt. The whole Indy was a soldier thing was just weird. On a whole, the movie just wasn't the same as the classic films. It seems Lucas has set a record for number of disappointing sequels to classic films years after.

[jbailey84]

yeah having Indy as a soldier was really weird. it didnt fit his character at all. just seemed better that he was an archeologist.
it had that feeling in The Phantom Menace with the whole Midi-chlorians about the force.

[nine1wing]

I don't want to see a new Indy for a number of reasons. Mainly because I feel they should have stopped at Last Crusade. It felt like the perfect way to end the franchise. Kingdom I have mixed feelings about. I liked just watching Indy and Marion on screen together. But there was a lot that pissed me off. I don't think I have to explain nuking the fridge or the monkeys and the vines. I hated how they killed off Marcus and Henry Jones Sr, that just hurt. The whole Indy was a soldier thing was just weird. On a whole, the movie just wasn't the same as the classic films. It seems Lucas has set a record for number of disappointing sequels to classic films years after.

how did you want them to kill off marcus? The actor died like 6 years ago

[slinger]

Apparently now Indiana Jones was some military officer which never was explained in the past. If Lucas can let someone else write his material and quit trying to push ILM to kill the movies then maybe it stands a chance.

Kind of impossible if he was only was in the military during WWII, prior to all three films. As much as I don't want to defend Crystal Skull, Jones had been working with the American Govt since Raiders so no surprise that he was in the OSS and called to Roswell.

[vinsanity]

Please no David Koepp, the guy can't write scripts. Bring back Lawrence Kasdan

[JBond]

Yeah, with Jurassic Park, Panic Room and Spider-Man under his belt, you have to wonder...when's he going to break out of this funk?

[Doomsday]

Sounds like the Uwe Boll of screenwriters if you ask me.

[PG Cooper]

how did you want them to kill off marcus? The actor died like 6 years ago

Sorry, didn't know he had died.

[Doomsday]

That's another thing about the movie, they introduced that one college dean character which was an obvious replacement for Marcus, then gave him a scene at the beginning where he tells Indy 'I resigned.' Cue sad music. Like we're supposed to care? We don't even know the guy! This is the kinda thing I'm talking about.

[JBond]

Well, c'mon. It would have taken a LOT of work to write a whole new scene after it wasn't Marcus.

[Ewok Droppings]

Give the man a break. The film he made before Indy was nominated for Best Picture. He isn't so bad now.

Which begs the question - WTF happened for Indiana Jones? He picked a real fine time to decide to go to sleep on a project.

[JBond]

Can't we just blame Lucas? It's easier and, let's face it, pretty likely.

[Tornado]

It's more than likely, considering he shot down the popular Frank Darabont script that both Spielberg and Ford were really excited about.

[SnoBorderZero]

I don't blame Spielberg at all for it. I'm pretty sure it was DragnFire who posted an article awhile back where George Lucas stated something like "Steven's in the past" concerning the Indiana Jones films. Ummm, why is that a bad thing? I'm glad he's stuck on the original three and doesn't want to ruin the series like Lucas did with the Star Wars prequels. All of our complaints with the film stem directly from George Lucas and his "wonderful" ideas.

[jbailey84]

i wouldnt really put all the blame on Lucas because Spielberg AND Ford all agreed on the script.

[slinger]

Lucas was just fixated on crystal skulls and aliens since the early 90s, all scripts incorporated them.

Or they can make a special edition which is essentially a remake of Crystal Skulls.

[JBond]

i wouldnt really put all the blame on Lucas because Spielberg AND Ford all agreed on the script.

After awhile, they don't have much of a choice. It's his way or the highway. The whole thing was delayed by years because of him, and they ain't getting younger.

[sshuttari]

So is this movie still in the works? Ford isn't getting any younger...

[JBond]

It seems like it.

[Doomsday]

It seems like he's getting younger?

[JBond]

It seems like the movie is in the works.

The only way he could be getting younger was if he had the Holy Grail. And he wasn't tall enough to get it.

[Ewok Droppings]

But he did take a sip from it.

[JBond]

Yes, what they should do for the next movie is have it take place in 2009, but since Indy is immortal from drinking from the holy grail, he only looks like he's 65. Maybe he's semi-immortal.

Anyway, that way the movie can be about Indy owning an internet cafe. I'd like to see anyone ELSE come up with a better way to make that possible...

[Deexan]

Immortality you say? Henry Snr. practically bathed in the stuff and it didn't seem to do him any good!

[jbailey84]

but wouldnt they need to keep drinking from the cup to keep "healthy and young"? just because indy took a few sips and henry sr gulped from it, doesn't mean eternal life. the cup had the eternal life, as long as you had the cup, you know the rest.

[JBond]

Well sure, but it had to atleast give them a full workup. If there was any cancer, there wasn't afterward.

[docstop]

Let Indiana Jones fade into the past... why can't Lucas let him go and just enjoy all the Indy movies he made? Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had a great ending... one that puts an exclamation mark that Indy will be the only Indy and a fitting finale to the movie series as a whole.

[Ewok Droppings]

Well sure, but it had to atleast give them a full workup. If there was any cancer, there wasn't afterward.

Look at it more like they just rebooted their normal life expectancy from the start. So, by those standards Indy should be roughly 65 in today's age (say they drank from the Grail in 1944 - add 65 to bring it to 2009). Perfect age timing; although Sean Connery gets the better end of the deal because he was older.

[Doomsday]

The Grail was 1938, DUH! ;)

[JBond]

Well OBVIOUSLY with this logic, they can bring back Sean Connery. Who are we to say that the Grail doesn't sometimes bring people back to life after they die?

[slinger]

Yes, what they should do for the next movie is have it take place in 2009, but since Indy is immortal from drinking from the holy grail, he only looks like he's 65. Maybe he's semi-immortal.

Anyway, that way the movie can be about Indy owning an internet cafe. I'd like to see anyone ELSE come up with a better way to make that possible...

They crossed the seal so the immortality is nixed. What they need is some sort of time traveling amulet. Travel to the future where Jones and Son have to stop Obama's New World Order.

[jbailey84]

it could be like a Back To the Future IV with Indiana Jones!!

[Deexan]

George Lucas is sitting at a computer somewhere thinking "thanks for the ideas guys!"

[docstop]

George Lucas is sitting at a computer somewhere thinking "thanks for the ideas guys!"

that's hilarious! ;)

[King_of_Skid_Row]

I think the plot should involve Atlantis and have the Illuminati be the villains.

[donny]

They started shooting scenes today with Indy and the delorean

[jbailey84]

i heard Indy's sidekick is going to be Einstein (the dog)

[docstop]

how bout this for a catchy title:

Indiana Jones the senior citizen of Doom! ;)