Saw IV - Review Thread [Archive] - The ComingSoon.net Boards

jbailey84

10-26-2007, 09:33 PM

Saw IV mainly centers around Officer Rigg, who is becoming obsessed with Jigsaw, similar with Danny Glovers character in Saw but nowhere as bad. The movie opens up with a bang. Jigsaw has his autopsy and of course a tape is revealed in his stomach. Officer Rigg is in the game of Jigsaw's. He goes to his apartment with his wife leaving to her mothers house. She asks him to go, he says no, he goes to bed, wakes up hearing a noise, gets knocked out, Let the Game Begin. He is being "put" in the shoes of Jigsaw, "see what i see" "hear what i hear" stuff like that with some trapped individuals, being put to the test.

The gore/blood in this seemed better and not really over the top.

I really liked Saw IV because it was a Sequel AND a Prequel at the same time. you find out why John Cramer becomes Jigsaw :D

The last 10 minutes or so I was on the edge of my seat.

although with the ending was Jigsaws body that was autopysed fake?

and who was the bald guy at the beginning with his eyes sewn shut?

I think this one kicked Saw 3 way out of the water!!

I give Saw IV - 8.5/10

quiksilver022

10-26-2007, 10:05 PM

After the third one, I think I, like thousands of others, are ready to give up on this franchise. But who knows.. If I have some spare time in the next couple days perhaps I'll give it a watch, with extremely low expectations though.

Ewok Droppings

10-26-2007, 11:20 PM

So the real question is - did he really see the movie and get the ending right in this review thread?:

http://forums.comingsoon.net/showthread.php?t=49454

the elmo zombie

10-26-2007, 11:38 PM

pretty damn good one. a nice comeback from saw 3, and it even makes me like saw 3 just a wee bit more, but still not actually like it

9.1/10 (.1 for the flashback within a flashback within a flashback. i $hit you not)

Chuck Steak

10-26-2007, 11:46 PM

No, that was really Jigsaw at the autopsy. The bald guy was just some guy apart of the trap.

This movie was alright. Something about it just didn't feel 'sawesque' though. Perhaps it was the lack of characters that we've come to know throughout the series. It went by so fast that it was difficult for me to get attached to these newcomers. I knew some of them because they were minor characters in the first films but because of the fast, complex nature of the story it was hard for me to care.

What angered me the most was the fact that so many of the older characters just had really bad character arcs. Their endings were so abrupt and I felt they deserved better.

I hyped myself up way too much for this film. I just felt it answered nothing and opened up even more questions...

It's definitely a movie that needs to be seen numerous times to be fully understood. As for the twist...nothing special like we were promised. Nothing compared to the first two. If you listen and look closely to the movie you can figure it out.

6/10
It felt like a bridge to Saw 5 more than anything else.

Ewok Droppings

10-27-2007, 02:36 AM

Yeah, didn't really think this was all it was hyped up to be either. It feels to me like the Saw series is trying to be overly clever to the point of convoluting the film into a bunch of traps that are confusing and silly. This movie had so much going on with Rigs that it felt like there were thousands of ways out of the traps that just were stupidly missed. What made the original Saw movie so good was that there was a definite sense of "you're f**ked". In this one, it felt like Rigs had lots of options, and there were lots of ways that he could have gotten out of things, and avoided other traps but he just didn't. It felt to me like a series of "everything must go perfectly for this trap to work or else it's all screwed up" scenarios rather than truly clever traps. I just wasn't that impressed. That being said, it was still better than Saw III which was a total crapfest of a movie IMO. 6/10

A couple of things that confused me:
Why bother with the tape in Jigsaw's stomach during the autopsy? It really didn't lend much to the story other than trying to throw us off the trail of the cop that was really the killer.

What was the trap on the back of the neck of the lawyer? Did I miss something or was that never explained?

What happens to Rigs? Is this one of those Saw V plot points?

Why do they keep dragging people into the Jigsaw group? It's like a little gang of serial psychos now that all have these clever plans and worked together. Lame.

Amnien

10-27-2007, 02:39 AM

K the other review was a fake review...not by me but by my cousin. Im sorry for his lies...he lied to me also :( Told me he knew tons of stuff bout saw 5 and grrr he is a ass.

jbailey84

10-27-2007, 09:14 AM

my favorite death is when the two ice block "hammer" device smashes Dect. Matthews head

Chuck Steak

10-27-2007, 01:27 PM

A couple of things that confused me:
Why bother with the tape in Jigsaw's stomach during the autopsy? It really didn't lend much to the story other than trying to throw us off the trail of the cop that was really the killer.

What was the trap on the back of the neck of the lawyer? Did I miss something or was that never explained?

What happens to Rigs? Is this one of those Saw V plot points?

Why do they keep dragging people into the Jigsaw group? It's like a little gang of serial psychos now that all have these clever plans and worked together. Lame.

That tape was to tell Hoffman that he will be tested. Hoffman set up the traps in a way where the victims could never escape so John will test him to see if he's worthy of carrying on his work. Hoffman never knew about that tape and that's why he was so surprised. He thought the whole Jigsaw case was over...but "the games have just begun." that autopsy scene was to set up Saw 5.

That trap was never explained...like everything else in the SAW series. Art passed his first test so why would he be put in another? lame. and that's what made me hate this movie the most. what the hell is John's 'work' exactly? everyone who survives just gets put in another trap or used again in some way. they don't go out picking daisies appreciating their life with their loved ones.. Amanda was right in 3...nobody is reborn. John is truly crazy and he brainwashes everyone around him.

We don't know what happens to rigg. He was just left in that room.

Yeah I have no clue. It seems John has all these pawns in his games. But we never learn about them (except Amanda) and that's why everything gets so confusing. especially with Hoffman. no explanation AT ALL about him. They should have made the accomplice someone from the other films, like Gordon or Tapp. That would have atleast been more shocking than some random cop.

SnoBorderZero

10-27-2007, 05:33 PM

Might see this tonight, if so I'll have a full review posted later.

Daniel

10-27-2007, 06:13 PM

Might see this tonight, if so I'll have a full review posted later.

thanks for the heads up, we're all dying with anticipation!

quiksilver022

10-27-2007, 08:30 PM

K the other review was a fake review...not by me but by my cousin. Im sorry for his lies...he lied to me also :( Told me he knew tons of stuff bout saw 5 and grrr he is a ass.

You're a massive tool. I totally called you out on that, like, three weeks ago. And honestly, I know you're probably 12, and your cousin did not go onto your account and write that. Just like you didn't even see Saw IV. Please.. Just.. Leave.

quiksilver022

10-27-2007, 08:31 PM

By the way, it's on track to repeating last year's success. Opened on Friday with $14,300,000... Only $100,000 off from its predecessor. A very slight drop.. I was expecting at least a 1-2 million dollar difference.

SnoBorderZero

10-27-2007, 09:41 PM

thanks for the heads up, we're all dying with anticipation!

Here's a thought, why don't you shut the **** up? I'm certainly dying with anticipation for that.

Amnien

10-27-2007, 11:55 PM

im actually almost 16 but oh well dont care also

i got a theory that adam will be back for more cause remember he was a photographer and there are tons of pictures everywhere...anybody could have taken the pics..but it could be adam..also adam could have been the one helping amanda put kerry on her trap

Necross

10-28-2007, 12:21 AM

Well, i didn't like 3, figured I'd still see this to see if it could make up for it. Nope, didn't like this either, I can say, I'm pretty much done with the Saw Franchise.

SnoBorderZero

10-28-2007, 01:04 AM

Just got back from it. It was certainly a step up from the atrocious Saw III but I am just not intrigued by these movies like I was with the first two. The twist here was just as weak as the one before it, nothing like the jaw-dropping endings of the first two. I know they want to make one every year because it's making money, but they need to sit down and think this through, it just isn't as clever as it used to be.

And I didn't like the fact that the guy from Saw III was just flung in there. That didn't do anything at all for the story. The film was still fun to watch with friends, especially the opening scene in the surgery room which was extremely disgusting. It's just that I don't see the franchise making any steps forward and maybe it needs to go back to its roots.

4/10

teewee1432

10-28-2007, 01:44 AM

saw it tonight with friends definitly a step up from part three good death scenes and nice flashbacks. 9/10

Matrix_Fan

10-28-2007, 02:41 AM

jbailey84

10-28-2007, 08:36 AM

And I didn't like the fact that the guy from Saw III was just flung in there. That didn't do anything at all for the story. my fiance asked me the same thing. so was he just roaming around for 6 months then?

boydston_14

10-28-2007, 12:17 PM

my fiance asked me the same thing. so was he just roaming around for 6 months then?

Apparently you didn't realize that Saw III and Saw IV took place at the same time. That's why he was there.

jbailey84

10-28-2007, 02:00 PM

yes i DID realize that.

but

when they find Dec. Kerry's body, they said that 6 months had passed so that there didnt make sense.

Chuck Steak

10-28-2007, 02:42 PM

when they find Dec. Kerry's body, they said that 6 months had passed so that there didnt make sense.

Kerry's death happened before the events of Saw 3. She could have been there for 6 months because that's how long she was missing for but I think they actually found her dead body a couple of days before the events of Saw 3/4 occur.

halo7

10-28-2007, 02:59 PM

yes i DID realize that.

but

when they find Dec. Kerry's body, they said that 6 months had passed so that there didnt make sense.

6 months had passed, If I remember correctly, in Saw III that was a flashback.

SnoBorderZero

10-28-2007, 04:44 PM

Amnien

10-28-2007, 06:04 PM

It is clear but people are dumb. Detective Hoffman said that ERIC MATHEWS has been missing for 6 months while KERRY was gone for 4 days.

carnage4u

10-28-2007, 07:55 PM

I am not a huge fan of the saw movies, but I end up seeing them all. Life just makes these events happen.

I felt the movies all tie in well with each other, and for a movie with a lot of sequels I find to be respectable.

The fact this movie takes place at the same time as #3 is indeed intersting, and that allows for #5 to move foward (as Jigsaw left a set of puzzles for the guy at end of 3) which sadly is wasted with his death at the end of this one.

I enjoyed Saw 2 and Saw 4 the most. I am torn on saw 1, because I saw it in the worst of theatres with the worst of crowd and it really hindered my opinion.

Id probably see 5, just to see where they are going with it. THere is much more worse horror movies out there now a days.

dongarcia

10-29-2007, 10:40 AM

I can't rate this right now because I didn't still see the movie..Well for the previous SAW III, I would to say that it was 7/10...Looking forward for this movie, I hope that it will be more grossy than the previous one...

DAN!

10-29-2007, 01:03 PM

it was alright. i give it 5/10. the plot was slightly better than 3, but overall the traps were not as sophistcated. And still not as good as the first two. however, most horror movies suck the past few years, so it is still worth to have it around halloween. it is becoming a tradition.

and i have to see the movie again to see any of the plot holes. So much happened so fast i think i missed a few things. The ending wasn't special. it was either predictable or completly random. and there were to many flashbacks.

And i wanted more/better traps. Aside from the last one, none of them impressed me much. i would have like to have seen more of the hotel one. But they didn't show you much of it.

msmoonvicky

10-29-2007, 01:14 PM

i dunno, i liked the first movie the best, it was good as it was and i didnt expect a whole load of sequels to follow. the rest were okay and the last one was the most goriest and craziest of all. I like the gimick of seeing cool ways to die or get tortured, but there is other stuff going on with these movies. Its a story line that is focused on detectives and a man that believes that everyone should help themselves instead of others. but all that to teach people a lesson is crazy. yes he was semi-normal in his past, but now he's crazy and believe that he should be the one to teach them that their ways are wrong. he's not really a scary being, just a crazy twisted one. but i think that there will be another movie, because i still dont know what he has that crazy doll with the swirly cheeks as his signature. and also i want his madness to end. just all the stuff he comes up with and all these people doing the same things around the same time, sometimes at the same time is ridicuoulous, but hey he's a crazy genius so it flys. sorry im such a downer on this movie, but its not my thing. i miss the older scary movies dealing with demonic powers or ghosts.

Ewok Droppings

10-29-2007, 02:19 PM

The thing that really bugged me was this:

Rigs could have easily called for backup before starting out on his journey through the traps. Each trap could have been handled fairly easily by a team of others. And the trap where he had to strap the pervert to the bed was completely unnecessary in terms of the fat guy actually being in the trap. He could have set the trap and then got the next clue and moved on. There were so many variables that could have happened to completely wipe out the entire trap system that the movie felt full of holes.

The other thing - which is a Hollywood cliche - is why does a SINGLE FBI agent go into a warehouse at the end without calling for backup and then of course things go crazy? As far as I know, anytime you're entering some crazy situation that might have a suspect holed up inside with your gun drawn, before you do anything you call for backup. But, then again, that would have made the story fall apart at the end and would have made too much practical sense.

Also, with the chick in the chair with her hair caught... why didn't he just shoot her hair to cut it? Seems simple enough to me.

The first Saw movie just felt really well done and felt like the traps were viable. This felt like it was a complete shot in the dark that all things must fall exactly into place or else all the traps are pointless and the movie falls apart. The willing suspension of disbelief is too much to consider the traps actually effective.

DAN!

10-29-2007, 05:01 PM

^yeah, that first one was really well done. The 2nd one was good for what it was. the third one was pretty lame, except for the brain surgury i thought. And this one was about the same as the last one, but i think they made a lot more mistakes in this one.

djimon123

10-29-2007, 07:34 PM

i dont know how to do the spoiler tag thing so just dont read below if you dont want to be spoiled

What was Rigs test? it was because he was to obsessed with saving people? i didnt get the clues very well

why was jigsaws body seen twice

and what about the guys daughter?

and what was up with the gideon building and the lawyer and jigsaw i didnt get that?'
' and does it mean that the hoffman guy had been working with jigsaw for a while now? and why was he working with them???

Amnien

10-30-2007, 01:13 AM

K Riggs test was basically learn how to let go and not expect to save anyone cause people can only save themselves.

Because the beginning of the movie is the end.

We dont know might find out in saw 5

Gideon was the name of his unborn son and his first big project

And hoffman has been working with them but he IS NOT the niew Jigsaw until he gets tested

DAN!

10-30-2007, 07:47 AM

crazy kids....

mjb

10-31-2007, 04:08 AM

I actually enjoyed this one the most out of all four, even the 1st one.

8/10

Alien

11-01-2007, 05:46 AM

Every one keeps asking what happened to Rigg. I think it's safe to say he's dead, he was shot and left to die.

Also the fact that 4 runs in time with 3 confused me when I watched it coz Jigsaw was dead at the start. I kinda thought the bit at the end were they meet up with the guy from Saw 3 was all faked to confuse the guy and lock him in that room but I see now how I was wrong.

Jigsaw's new apprentice confused me too coz he kinda looked a bit like Agent Strahm, they both had the square jawed face with dark hair and the same build. Also even after finding out Hoffman was the new apprentice I can't think of any real clues to point to him, everything that would point to him was debunked or rationalised by someone else in the movie.

redman

11-01-2007, 03:40 PM

Alien - totally agree. The lawyer, detective and the guy from saw 3 looked so bloody similar.

whoever did casting for this movie was an idiot.

Alien

11-01-2007, 03:49 PM

Alien - totally agree. The lawyer, detective and the guy from saw 3 looked so bloody similar.

whoever did casting for this movie was an idiot.
Either that's sarcasum or your crazy... But I was talking about the detective that shot the guy from Saw 3 and the FBI guy.

Comingsoonfan777

11-03-2007, 01:46 AM

NO SPOILERS:)

I just came from seeing it.

Goodness. This was MUCH better than saw 3`s lame ending, but great plot. The traps, and the plot of "IV" was very, very carefully thought out, and clever. The traps are nail biteing. But do pay attention, and remember the other films well or else the plot may be confuseing. But traps were really fascinateing in how creative they were. (the knifes scene...goodness LMAO NOOOOO LMAO) The ending was both stunning and crazy clever, and I was thinking and guessing the whole way with my LOUD cousin lol and was STILL wrong.

Not as impacting as saw ones ending, but deff not predictable, unless ur one smart cookie. Will there be a 5th way? Probably LMAO But i will see it.

9/10

SouthsideX300

11-03-2007, 05:58 PM

7/10

And if your afraid of spoilers dont come to a review thread..

When they did the autopsy part on jigsaw was really gross and and loved it. So i guess in part 4 no more jigsaw right? unless he laid more traps around. I may of missed this but what happend to that guys daughter?

I agree with redman, those 3 characters looked very very similar. Tall caucasian guy with brown hair. They all had pretty much the same built. That was sorta confusing. So im thinking that walked away at the end (the cop right?) can shave his head and go for a jigsaw look.

jbailey84

11-04-2007, 06:21 AM

still dont kno what happend to his daughter

General Disdain

11-04-2007, 06:54 AM

The thing is these movies aren't even clever anymore, in traps or in plot execution. They need to stop pumping them out every year, I understand it makes profit but the last two really took a hit in creativity compared to the first two.

Well said. I'll add, Saw IV's only saving grace is they still manage to come up with fascinating ways to cause harm to the human body. Other than that, this franchise is tired.

Alien

11-04-2007, 06:55 AM

Don't know if we'll ever find out what happened to the daughter.

dongarcia

11-07-2007, 10:13 AM

Alien - totally agree. The lawyer, detective and the guy from saw 3 looked so bloody similar.

whoever did casting for this movie was an idiot.

huh??! I never noticed that, i was just focused about the twist of it....

badgonegood

11-11-2007, 12:47 PM

Now I've only seen Saw 3 and Saw 4 so maybe I'm wrong in what I'm about to say.

The movie makes no sense from the jump start. As I recall in Saw 3, at the end of the movie there was Jigsaw, his lady friend, the doctor that was to keep jigsaw alive, and the man who was on the search for his daughter. Now everyone in that SAME ROOM died, except for the man that was looking for his daughter.

So how is it that in Saw 4 the police can find jigsaws body, perform a autopsy, yet somehow the man is still looking for his daughter and all those other dead bodies are still there? I repeat now, the SAME room people. They've retreaved Jigsaws body from the SAME room as everyone else. Yet those bodies and the man looking for his daughter are still there during the ending sequence of Saw 4.

Alien

11-11-2007, 04:33 PM