Glasgow Airport hit by Blazing car crashes!

[Alien]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257194.stm
Car on fire crashes into airport
Man 'tackled driver'
A car on fire has been driven at the main terminal building at Glasgow Airport, police have confirmed.

Eyewitnesses have described a Jeep Cherokee being driven at speed towards the building with flames coming out from underneath.

They have also described seeing two Asian men, one of whom was on fire, who had been in the car.

Strathclyde Police said two people had been arrested and detained in connection with the incident.

The airport has been evacuated and all flights suspended following the incident at 1515 BST.
That is scary! If this was yesterday my parents would be just landing in that air port! :omg: :eek:

[Steve from Indy]

Crazy terrorists. All because of the Salmon Rushdie deal. Pretty pathetic though. We get crashes like that pretty regularly around here. What's next, a flaming bag of poop on the doorstep of 10 Downing Street?

[Tolkien]

You know, the media (god strike them dead) has been mentioning lately about the possibility of future attacks in the states being done using car bombs like in Iraq, since they are some of the easiest things to make. In a way it really creeped me out because it reminds me not just of Iraq, but also of the whole tel aviv bombings that used to go on. Night Clubs, Theaters, Resturants, even busy streets were targeted. It'd be chaos.

[shained]

it's mad, i live in Liverpool and on saturday on my way home from a few drinks went to go in mcdonalds an a cop told me i couldn't go in an i had to go a diff way to my bus stop. It turned out it was becasue armed police had raided a van just around the corner from where i was and that there was a poss bomb threat. Pretty ****ed up but its how the world is going be like 24 soon when the people planning these attacks get more experience and know how

[Steve from Indy]

Btw, I love the title of this thread.

[iv3rdawG]

Weird. I was just there a couple weeks ago.

[Alien]

Btw, I love the title of this thread.
Why? Coz I copied 'Blazing car crashes' and not just blazing car? The word Blazing does need to get used more.

[Ewok Droppings]

We get crashes like that pretty regularly around here. What are you talking about? You don't get people ramming flaming cars into airports on a regular basis in Indiana. Are you smoking something Steve?

[Steve from Indy]

Why? Coz I copied 'Blazing car crashes' and not just blazing car? The word Blazing does need to get used more.

Because it just sounds funny. Something about Blazing car crashes! just strikes me as funny. :funny:

[Steve from Indy]

What are you talking about? You don't get people ramming flaming cars into airports on a regular basis in Indiana. Are you smoking something Steve?

No, of course not, wisenheimer. I'm talking about the kind where a car veers off the road into a house, or a big pileup on the highway kind of deal. We just had a guy crash his prop plane into a house trying to kill his ex-wife. Those aren't terrorist attacks of course, but a burning car crashing into a building doesn't exactly strike fear in my heart-- no matter what the cause.

[Ewok Droppings]

No, of course not, wisenheimer. I'm talking about the kind where a car veers off the road into a house, or a big pileup on the highway kind of deal. We just had a guy crash his prop plane into a house trying to kill his ex-wife. Those aren't terrorist attacks of course, but a burning car crashing into a building doesn't exactly strike fear in my heart-- no matter what the cause.
It was a terrorist attack though, not just someone who accidentally crashed their car into the airport. They rammed the car into the airport on fire and I think they were the same guys who tried to blow the cars up the day before. Not at all the same as some drunk crashing through his garage or something.

[Steve from Indy]

It was a terrorist attack though, not just someone who accidentally crashed their car into the airport. They rammed the car into the airport on fire and I think they were the same guys who tried to blow the cars up the day before. Not at all the same as some drunk crashing through his garage or something.

Yeah, but when something like 40,000 people a year die in car crashes, a terrorist intentionally trying to kill people with exploding cars, isn't what I worry about when I'm out and about. Plus, don't forget the nut cases that try to mow people down with there cars. But I still don't worry about that. But when I cross an intersection, I check for traffic, especially during certain times of the day.

My chances of getting t-boned by a drunk, or inattentive driver, are infinitely higher than getting blown up by a flaming car attack by a terrorist. So why would a car attack strike fear in me? Now, if I lived in Iraq, yeah I'd probably live in fear. But this is America, where a violent death is something that could happen at any time. I live in the same neighborhood where a family of 7 were murdered a year ago. So yeah, exploding cars-- not really keeping me up at night.

But, don't get the idea that I don't take terrorism seriously, especially with Iran producing nuclear material. But chemical and nuclear attacks and the like, are on a WHOLE different level than exploding cars.

[Ewok Droppings]

^ My point was your comment about it happening all the time in Indiana was weird. People die in all sorts of ways, but the terrorist attacks are newsworthy for a reason.

[Fighting American]

Steve is smoking those P.C. brand cigarettes.......

The War on Terror is just a "Bumper sticker".....Right?? :rolleyes:
http://www.lowculture.com/archives/images/edwards_war_pointing.jpg

[Fighting American]

You know, the media (god strike them dead) has been mentioning lately about the possibility of future attacks in the states being done using car bombs like in Iraq, since they are some of the easiest things to make. In a way it really creeped me out because it reminds me not just of Iraq, but also of the whole tel aviv bombings that used to go on. Night Clubs, Theaters, Resturants, even busy streets were targeted. It'd be chaos.



So...are you more angry at the media than the terrorists? "god strike them dead?"

While I'm no fan of the liberal media, Why not reserve that for those that truly mean us harm.

[Ewok Droppings]

John Edwards is a cheese dick

[Steve from Indy]

Steve is smoking those P.C. brand cigarettes.......

The War on Terror is just a "Bumper sticker".....Right?? :rolleyes:
http://www.lowculture.com/archives/images/edwards_war_pointing.jpg

Huh? What the hell are you talking about? You're not very smart, are you?

[Fighting American]

Huh? What the hell are you talking about? You're not very smart, are you?


Dude....after reading your comments, I was thinking the same thing about you. "Stuff like this happens all the time...or frequently?"

:lol:

[Steve from Indy]

Dude....after reading your comments, I was thinking the same thing about you. "Stuff like this happens all the time...or frequently?"

:lol:

I give up. I can't reason with someone that refuses to reason. So please, think of me (and everyone else you don't agree with) in black and white terms-- there are no shades of gray, right? I'm wrong, you're right. I'm bad, you're good.

Please don't respond to this, because I won't respond back. Besides, you'll just misrepresent what I've said. You're either purposely ignorant, or just not too bright. Either way, I'm done with you.

[Fighting American]

I give up. I can't reason with someone that refuses to reason. So please, think of me (and everyone else you don't agree with) in black and white terms-- there are no shades of gray, right? I'm wrong, you're right. I'm bad, you're good.

Please don't respond to this, because I won't respond back. Besides, you'll just misrepresent what I've said. You're either purposely ignorant, or just not too bright. Either way, I'm done with you.

Nope ..I'm afraid not Stevie....

There are no "gray" terrorist threats. And I understood what you said. You were basically underplaying the severity of what happened! Comparing it to everyday run-of-the - mill accidents. Why??? To smooth over the Muslim connection??? Does the snake have to bite you personally, to wake you up?


You even had Ewok scratchin' his head on that one....

[iv3rdawG]

I was a little baffled earlier too.

[halo7]

Fighting American is back! This is not a drill!

[iv3rdawG]

Get into position!!

[Ewok Droppings]

I give up. I can't reason with someone that refuses to reason. Well, to be fair, I don't think anyone really understood what the crap you were trying to get at with the terrorists situations all the time in Indiana comment. But whatever.

Fighting American is back! This is not a drill!

:funny:

[Steve from Indy]

Get into position!!

Not me. I'm done with people like him. The man simply can't reason. I'm guessing he's got every book written by Ann Coulter and friends. Why can't he hang out where his tripe is welcome? You can't argue with someone who takes everything you say and turns it into a crazy accusation. People like him will take everything you say out of context just to avoid having to think.

I could say "They should paint that building green because it cost so much to build." And he would say something like "So you don't want to ever build anything, do you? And you hate money and you must be a communist." In his mind, I'm for coddling terrorists and would be glad to see them succeed. And why? Because I don't agree with everything he says. That's a sure sign of a childish intellect. He's a very unpleasant fellow. And I don't feel like wasting my remaining years on this earth trying to reason with such creatures.

And the next time he calls me "Stevie", I will report him to the mods. I really don't appreciate that. It's not something I would tolerate to my face, nor will I tolerate it anywhere else. :angry:

[Ewok Droppings]

Not me. I'm done with people like him. The man simply can't reason. I'm guessing he's got every book written by Ann Coulter and friends. Why can't he hang out where his tripe is welcome? You can't argue with someone who takes everything you say and turns it into a crazy accusation. People like him will take everything you say out of context just to avoid having to think.

I could say "They should paint that building green because it cost so much to build." And he would say something like "So you don't want to ever build anything, do you? And you hate money and you must be a communist." In his mind, I'm for coddling terrorists and would be glad to see them succeed. And why? Because I don't agree with everything he says. That's a sure sign of a childish intellect. He's a very unpleasant fellow. And I don't feel like wasting my remaining years on this earth trying to reason with such creatures.

And the next time he calls me "Stevie", I will report him to the mods. I really don't appreciate that. It's not something I would tolerate to my face, nor will I tolerate it anywhere else. :angry:
No offense, but reporting someone because they called you "Stevie" seems pretty silly to me. And for the record, I like Ann Coulter - although I do think she takes things a bit too far sometimes.

[Steve from Indy]

Well, to be fair, I don't think anyone really understood what the crap you were trying to get at with the terrorists situations all the time in Indiana comment. But whatever.



:funny:

Okay, I will try one more time, because I believe your being honest in your befuddlement.

Nuclear weapon attack. Very scary.
Dirty Bomb. Very scary.
Chemical attack. Very scary.
Biological attack. Very scary.
Blowing up building. Pretty scary.
BURNING CAR. Not very scary.


I'm simply saying that compared to everyday life, exploding cars don't really scare me. I'm not saying we should tolerate terrorism-- of any kind whatsoever. All terrorism is bad and should be stopped! But if exploding, flaming cars are the worst they can do, then you'll have to pardon me if I don't live in fear, because similar events are not exactly a new phenomenon in America. I live in a violent city in tornado alley. So you know, it's just something that isn't going to weigh more heavily on my mind than the rest of the things that can kill you. Again... One terrorist attack is too many! All terrorists should be killed!

Does that help? :D

[Steve from Indy]

No offense, but reporting someone because they called you "Stevie" seems pretty silly to me. And for the record, I like Ann Coulter - although I do think she takes things a bit too far sometimes.

It's offensive to me and I don't like it. I might be oversensitive about it, but that's just the way I'm am. I give respect to people and I expect it in return. My name is Steve (or Steven if you're family or someone that doesn't know that I prefer Steve), not Stevie, Stevie Wonder, Steverino, or Chief. I can take a joke, but I know when someone's just kidding around and when someone's being disrespectful.

And I respect your right to like people like Ann Coulter. That's your business. But I can't stand people like her-- no matter what their political persuasion. Michelle Malkin is one of the worst. She's just flat out a mean, cruel person. I don't care for Al Franken, either.

[Ewok Droppings]

I think you need to calm down a little bit. I never said you sided with terrorists or anything like that. I simply said your statement about terrorist running cars into the airport compared to drunk drivers crashing through someone's house was a little silly.

[Steve from Indy]

I think you need to calm down a little bit. I never said you sided with terrorists or anything like that. I simply said your statement about terrorist running cars into the airport compared to drunk drivers crashing through someone's house was a little silly.

I'm calm. I just wanted to be clear. But do you understand what I was saying? Terrorism is a bad thing, but if that's all they got, then they will hardly bring us to our knees.

[Ewok Droppings]

I'm calm. I just wanted to be clear. But do you understand what I was saying? Terrorism is a bad thing, but if that's all they got, then they will hardly bring us to our knees.

Well, that's not what I came away with from your comments, but if that's what you meant then it's more clear now. You have to admit - it sounded a little hokie at first. ;)

[Steve from Indy]

Well, that's not what I came away with from your comments, but if that's what you meant then it's more clear now. You have to admit - it sounded a little hokie at first. ;)

Well, my writing style can be a little cryptic, I suppose. I'm not much for boring supposition. Imo, prose should always have a little spark to it, and not just be a point, counterpoint debate. But I never thought I wasn't being clear, just a little too off hand about it, perhaps. I am a poet, after all! We tend to be a little on the verbose and flowery side. :D ;)

[Fighting American]

Well, my writing style can be a little cryptic, I suppose. I'm not much for boring supposition. Imo, prose should always have a little spark to it, and not just be a point, counterpoint debate. But I never thought I wasn't being clear, just a little too off hand about it, perhaps. I am a poet, after all! We tend to be a little on the verbose and flowery side. :D ;)

That was not cryptic.........that was naive. And now that you see that you confused everyone, it's the ol' "I was just being clever" card.

And you're gonna tell your momma on me for calling you Stevie??

By the way...........I LIVE IN INDIANA, TOO!!!!!!!! That's why I couldn't let your silly comments stand. You must live in Geist with the rich folk.

[Steve from Indy]

^ Yes, I live in Geist. That's why I said I live in the same neighborhood where the 7 people were murdered, you ****ing idiot moron. And my mother is dead, you insulting little cockroach, so stfu.

Would someone please ban this turd?

[Tolkien]

So...are you more angry at the media than the terrorists? "god strike them dead?"

While I'm no fan of the liberal media, Why not reserve that for those that truly mean us harm.

Well in my opinion (and I reserve the right to say so) I pretty much place terrorist on a completely different level then I do the media. If I said I hated that guy at work, should I hate him lesser then I should a terrorist? If I said that I hated our current health care plan, should I hate it lesser then I should a terrorist? I really don't think I should have to explain my many levels of hate for one thing or the other to you, but if you must know, I really don't give a flying f**k about terrorists. They're pathetic mindless drones giving in to false idols and bastardized beliefs.

And I mean, of course I hate terrorists, but why should I care more about their being now then I did before 9/11? They've been here long before you and I were born dude, and no matter what, they will continue to be here long after you and I are dead. American, Muslim, Irish, British, Asian, it doesn't matter. Everyone has them. The only reason why we're at a point where we choose to give a damn is because one faction chose to attack us on our own soil. Plain and simple. If Al Qaeda never attacked us on 9/11, would we give a damn? Would we even choose to remember Bin Laden's name? No, we wouldn't.

[Ewok Droppings]

^ Yes, I live in Geist. That's why I said I live in the same neighborhood where the 7 people were murdered, you ****ing idiot moron. And my mother is dead, you insulting little cockroach, so stfu.

Would someone please ban this turd?
Well, you can't exactly ban someone for calling you names when you call them names too. Just FYI.

[Tolkien]

Well, you can't exactly ban someone for calling you names when you call them names too. Just FYI.

So if I called your mama an Ewok Slut, and you called my mama a Hobbit whore, I can't get you banned?

That's NO FAIR!!! :mad:

[Ewok Droppings]

So if I called your mama an Ewok Slut, and you called my mama a Hobbit whore, I can't get you banned?

That's NO FAIR!!! :mad:
Right - and she's not a "slut", I prefer "madam of the night". ;)

[Tolkien]

Right - and she's not a "slut", I prefer "madam of the night". ;)

Yeah, but calling your mama an "Ewok Madam of the Night" doesn't sound insulting enough.

:P

[Steve from Indy]

Well, you can't exactly ban someone for calling you names when you call them names too. Just FYI.

Well, first of all, he had it coming. And I apologize for the rough language. Not to him, he's a troll, but to the regular CS members. But he deserved it, and I'm not one to back down when someone gets nasty.

And I'm not just talking about banning him for the name calling, but also for his smarmy attitude and for constantly trying to start fights. But, whatever, it's all good.

[Fighting American]

Well, first of all, he had it coming. And I apologize for the rough language. Not to him, he's a troll, but to the regular CS members. But he deserved it, and I'm not one to back down when someone gets nasty.

And I'm not just talking about banning him for the name calling, but also for his smarmy attitude and for constantly trying to start fights. But, whatever, it's all good.


I didn't get nasty. Not once have I used an expletive towards you. Sarcasm?? Yes. But you had it coming too. Your exagerrations about Indy was a bit much. You may have had 7 people die. But not in terrorist attacks. And that's a huge difference.

On a serious note, I let my temper get the best of me. so I apologize for mentioning you telling your mama on me. Sorry for your loss. You only have one mother.

You don't have to the accept tmy apology.....i don't expect you to. But I can rise above that...hopefully you can too.

[Fighting American]

Did CAIR founder say
Islam to rule America?
Muslims confront Omar Ahmad as newspaper
insists report of controversial remarks accurate


By Art Moore
206 WorldNetDaily.com


Omar Ahmad
It's a citation used frequently by critics to argue the highly influential Council on American-Islamic Relations is an extremist organization – founder Omar Ahmad's alleged 1998 assertion that Islam must one day dominate the U.S. – but now Muslim leaders have confronted Ahmad, expressing concern that someone from their community could voice such radical sentiments.

Ahmad told the Muslim leaders – and WND in an interview – the attribution is a "total fabrication" and assured them the newspaper, the Fremont Argus in California, issued a "clarification" after he "challenged" reporter Lisa Gardiner.

That seemed to satisfy the Muslim leaders, but Gardiner told WND she continues to stand by the story, and Editor Steve Waterhouse said he's confident she got it right. After hearing that news Thursday, one of the Muslim leaders immediately resurrected the issue with his colleagues, declaring Ahmad and CAIR need to find a way "to extinguish this fire."

"She was a good, solid reporter," Waterhouse said of Gardiner. "She was absolutely certain about what he said and what she reported."

Gardiner, who now works for a non-profit group, told WND last week she's 100-percent sure Ahmad was the speaker and that he made those statements, pointing out nobody challenged the story at the time it was published eight years ago.

"She's lying," Ahmad said upon hearing Gardiner's defense of the story. "Absolutely, she's lying. How could you remember something from so long ago? I don't even remember her in the audience."

CAIR, which has enjoyed access to the White House as the country's largest Islamic advocacy group, recently defended the six imams removed from a US Airways flight because they were deemed a potential security threat.

Ahmad, who stepped down as CAIR chairman last year, maintained to WND he "never uttered those words."

"It is not my stance, it is not what I believe in," said Ahmad, CEO of SiliconExpert Technologies in Santa Clara, Calif. "The year before (the 1998 event) I was a commissioner for my city and took an oath on the constitution and never had a problem. It doesn't make sense for me to think that way. I was shocked to hear somebody reported that."

It was WND's 2003 story about Ahmad's alleged remarks that prompted the Muslim leaders to query the CAIR founder two months ago. In a string of e-mail correspondence copied to WND, the leaders first debated among themselves, then asked Ahmad to tell them whether the report is true and, if so, to repudiate the remarks.

Mike Ghouse, president of a Dallas-based group called World Muslim Congress, told colleagues in the e-mails that Ahmad allegedly has made a "dangerously militant statement."

"The harsh reality [that] we do not want to hear and acknowledge [is] that no Muslim in America or anywhere else in the world wants to live in an Islamic nation," Ghouse wrote.

The 1998 Argus article, also published in the sister San Ramon Valley Herald, paraphrased Ahmad saying: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant," and, "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

In one of his replies to the Muslim leaders, Ahmad wrote: "These statements are total fabrication and I never said them at all. Actually there (sic) were not direct quote and I challenged the reporter and the newspaper and they published a clarification 3 years ago."

The Muslim leaders, at the time, seemed satisfied with the denial, including Ghouse.

Ghouse told WND he understood Ahmad to be saying the newspaper and the reporter had backed off on their claim that the story is true, perhaps, at least, expressing some doubt about it.

But Waterhouse said flatly, "We did not publish a clarification."

''This is not going to die'

The editor explained that after hearing from Ahmad in the wake of WND's May 1, 2003, article, his paper published a story of its own one month later referencing Ahmad's denial but also clearly stating the newspaper was not backing down.

Upon hearing that information Thursday from WND, Ghouse sent out an e-mail to colleagues on his World Muslim Congress list with a copy of the June 2003 story by Waterhouse's newspaper chain and stated: "We had discussed this a few months ago, it appears that it still has some fire in it, this is not going to die."

"I think Mr. Omar Ahmad and CAIR need to think hard and figure out a way to extinguish this fire," Ghouse wrote. "The above statement is one of the most anti-Islamic, most arrogant, bullying statement[s] made in behalf of Islam. Let's strip this for good."

Ghouse acknowledged in the e-mail, "Most of us do not want to deal with this. However, that statement is dangerous, it is indeed frightening to the average American, given the false propaganda that Islam spread through sword is still in currency and I see that non-sense (sic) once a week on the net. The neo-cons live and thrive on propogating (sic) fear, their survival is dependent on hating and denigrating some one or the other. This is going to be a relentless battle."


CAIR co-founder Omar Ahmad with Iftekhar Hai, president of United Muslims of America Interfaith Alliance (Photo: Washington Report on Middle East Affairs)

Another Muslim leader who participated in the string of e-mails in October, Iftekhar A. Hai, told WND that as a Sufi from India, he has a different view of Islam than Ahmad, an Arab, but he respects CAIR as the leading Islamic human rights organization in the U.S.

"If he said it, I say that he's wrong, but if he said he has not said it, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt," said Hai, co-founder and director of interfaith relations for United Muslims of America in Sunnyvale, Calif.

But Hai, who noted he was educated at a Catholic school in India, says his main job "is to work among religions for peace," and he is a part of CAIR only to the extent that once a year he buys a ticket for a local fund-raiser.

Ghouse also is a native of India.

'How Should We As Muslims Live in America?'

WND tried to get comment from others reported to be at the 1998 event in Fremont, Calif., a session organized by the local Islamic Study School titled, "How Should We As Muslims Live in America?"

Gardiner's article mentions two other speakers – Sheik Hamza Yusuf, a prominent American convert who directs the Islamic Study School's parent group, the Zaytuna Institute; and Hatem Bazian, an adjunct professor at the University of California, Berkeley. Bazian drew national attention during a 2004 anti-war protest in San Francisco when he asked why there is not an "intifada," or uprising, in the U.S. as there is in the Holy Land. Later, in an "O'Reilly Factor" interview, he explained he was referring to a non-violent, "political intifada."

Bazian did not respond to messages from WND, and an assistant to Hamza said the sheik was on sabbatical and was too busy to reply.

Hamza's aide, however, referred WND to Feraidoon Mojadedi, the director in 1998 of the Islamic Study School.

Mojadedi said in an e-mail he had no record – audio or visual – of Ahmad's presentation.

"I don't know if the article is accurate or not, because it's been about 10 years since that event," he wrote.

Mojadedi did not reply to a follow-up e-mail asking specifically if he heard Ahmad's speech, and, if so, what the CAIR founder said.

Gardiner's 1998 article, which quotes Mojadedi, said in part:


Omar M. Ahmad, chairman of the board of the Council on American-Islamic relations, spoke before a packed crowd at the Flamingo Palace banquet hall on Peralta Boulevard, urging Muslims not to shirk their duty of sharing the Islamic faith with those who are "on the wrong side."
Muslim institutions, schools and economic power should be strengthened in America, he said. Those who stay in America should be "open to society without melting (into it)," keeping mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam, he said.

"If you choose to live here (in America) ... you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam," he said.

Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant, he said. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth, he said.

'We have to respect others and be respected'

Ahmad told WND he had no recollection of what he said at the 1998 event. Asked what he would say about the subject of the role of Muslims in America, he replied: "We're here as a minority, and we live in a pluralistic society, and we have to respect others and be respected."

Ahmad said it was only in 2003 that he learned of Gardiner's story, and by then it was too late to press any legal action.

"I would have gone there and sued them if I had known about it," he said.

In April 2003, CAIR national spokesman Ibrahim Hooper told WND his group had demanded a retraction from the California newspaper. But he amended his statement after being informed by WND the editors and reporter had not been contacted with any such demand.

Ahmad told WND he has tried to find some way of verifying the contents of his speech and even "offered $1,000 to someone" to find a tape of it, if any existed.

"I know I didn't say that," he said. "How could anybody believe that when I say Muslims enjoy freedom here to worship, and it's better for them than anyplace in the world.

"If people know me personally, they will say it's nonsense," he continued. "Look at the whole of my life, what I've said."

He was one of several contributors to an editorial published by the San Jose Mercury News, April 27, 2003, titled, "We need a conversation on the post-9/11 world; What does allegiance in a time of war mean?

Ahmad began his piece saying, "America is one nation out of many peoples. Many of us from diverse backgrounds and diverse experiences can band together around a common theme: freedom. The protection and preservation of freedom should be the mission of all of us today."

At the same time, he entered into another flap over explosive verbiage, protesting Rev. Franklin Graham's invitation to hold a Good Friday service at the Pentagon after calling Islam a "very wicked and evil religion."

"One day you get a signal from the administration that Islam is a religion of peace and of tolerance to the Muslim community," Ahmad told the New York Times in an April 28, 2003, story. "More of the time you get the other signal – the silence of the administration over comments made by evangelical Christians."

Terrorism charges

While Ahmad insists the alleged 1998 comments are inconsistent with his character, CAIR and a number of its staff members have been tied to jihadist groups bent on Islamic conquest.

Ahmad served as president of CAIR's parent group, the now-defunct Islamic Association for Palestine, or IAP, which was founded in 1981 by Hamas leader Mousa Abu Marzook and former university professor Sami al-Arian, who pleaded guilty this year to conspiracy to provide services to Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The U.S. deported Marzook to Jordan in 1997.


Hamas leader Mousa Abu Marzook (Photo: Der Spiegel)

Ahmad denied any association with Hamas, arguing U.S. authorities never shut down the IAP – it folded in 2005 – and it was founded before the emergence of Hamas itself in 1987.

Two former FBI counter-terrorism chiefs, however, called the IAP a front organization in the U.S. for Hamas, which features in its charter the goal of Israel's destruction and Islam's dominance over the Holy Land.

Last year, investigative journalist Steven Emerson testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information that "internal Hamas documents strongly suggest that parts of the Hamas charter … were first written by members of the IAP in the United States in the early to mid-1980s."

Emerson said the IAP "has a long history of links to Middle East terrorism and its financial support." He pointed to a 2001 Immigration and Naturalization Service memo that "extensively documented IAP's support for Hamas and noted the 'facts strongly suggest' IAP is 'part of Hamas' propaganda apparatus."

In August 2002, a federal judge ruled there was evidence the IAP "has acted in support of Hamas," and in November 2004, a federal magistrate judge held IAP civilly liable for $156 million in the 1996 shooting of an American citizen by a Hamas member in the West Bank.

Further, Emerson testified, in November 2004, an immigration judge labeled IAP a "terrorist organization" and noted its "propensity for violence."

Organizing holy warriors

A number of figures associated with CAIR have been convicted on terrorism-related charges since 9-11, including Randall Todd "Ismail" Royer, a former communications specialist and civil rights coordinator, and Bassem Khafagi, former director of community relations.


FBI agents arrest Ghassan Elashi and brothers in 2002.

Royer was sentenced to 20 years in prison on charges he trained in Virginia for holy war against the U.S. and sent several members to Pakistan to join Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Kashmiri terrorist group with reported ties to al-Qaida.

In a plea bargain, Royer claimed he never intended to hurt anyone but admitted he organized the holy warriors after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the U.S.

After his arrest, Royer sought legal counsel from Hamas lawyer Stanley Cohen, who said after 9-11 he would consider serving as a defense lawyer for Osama bin Laden if the al-Qaida leader were captured.

Khafagi was arrested in January 2003 while serving with CAIR and convicted on fraud and terrorism charges in connection with a probe of the Islamic Assembly of North America, an organization suspected of aiding Saudi sheiks tied to Osama bin Laden.

In October, Ghassan Elashi, a member of the founding board of directors of the Texas branch of CAIR, was sentenced to nearly seven years in prison for financial ties to a high-ranking terrorist and for making illegal computer exports to countries that back terrorism.

In his interview with WND, Ahmad downplayed the convicted figures' connection to CAIR, contending they acted as individuals. He argued that if someone who worked for WND went out and murdered, it wouldn't necessarily say anything about the nature of the news organization.

Critics of Ahmad and CAIR also have pointed to comments he made at a youth session of the Islamic Association for Palestine's annual convention in Chicago in 1999 in which he praised suicide bombers who "kill themselves for Islam," according to a transcript provided by Emerson's Investigative Project.

"Fighting for freedom, fighting for Islam, that is not suicide," Ahmad asserted. "They kill themselves for Islam."

Ahmad told WND he does not justify suicide bombing and other acts of terrorism but says the desperation of Palestinians under Israeli "occupation" explains why many are willing to do it.

'I'm going to do it through education'

Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes – whose nomination by President Bush to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace was fiercely opposed by CAIR – has cited Ahmad's 1998 remarks frequently as one piece of evidence showing CAIR is not the mainstream group it claims to be.


Daniel Pipes

Pipes calls it a "major statement," especially when put in the context of undisputed comments by CAIR spokesman Hooper, who indicated in a 1993 interview with the Minneapolis Star Tribune he wants to see the U.S. become a Muslim country.

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future," Hooper told the paper. "But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

Ahmad's alleged comments "fit a pattern" and show a "disposition," according to Pipes.

"Given that the reporter contemporaneously wrote this, and given that she stands by what she wrote, I'm inclined to believe it," he said.

Pipes pointed out he says this despite having been in a similar situation himself.

"But I've been able to show, in context, this is out of character, this is not how I talk," Pipes said. "If he can plausibly show this is at odds with views elsewhere, with employees and members, then I would be inclined to accept it. But it doesn't, it fits, and I do not accept it."

Robert Spencer, a scholar of Islam and director of Jihad Watch, believes such declarations of Muslims' role in America should be taken very seriously.

"It's the same goal as Osama bin Laden has, to Islamize the U.S.," said Spencer, also a frequent target of criticism from CAIR. "Even though Omar Ahmad is not pushing that in the same way, the fact that it is the same goal is something that hasn't been adequately appreciated by law enforcement and government officials.


Robert Spencer

The Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, from which CAIR is derived, Spencer said, "have affirmed the traditional Islamic notion that the law of Islam must be ultimately imposed by Muslims."

An immediate response, he offered, would be for the U.S. government to stop all contact with CAIR, such as "sensitivity training," and "stop treating CAIR as if it were a moderate group."

Recipients of CAIR's cultural training include Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers and the military. In June, a senior Department of Homeland Security official from Washington guided CAIR officials on a behind-the-scenes tour of Customs screening operations at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport in response to CAIR complaints that Muslim travelers were being unfairly delayed as they entered the U.S. from abroad.

CAIR also has regular meetings with the Justice Department and FBI, prompting complaints from case agents, who say the bureau rarely can make a move in the Muslim community without first consulting with CAIR, which sits on its advisory board.

[Ewok Droppings]

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[Tolkien]

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That guy in Red tries his best to look straight, only to have the guy in Blue ruin it.

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[Ewok Droppings]

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[Fighting American]

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[Alien]

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[FranklinTard]

muslims in the us.... run for the hills!

and did anyone else find that a good 15-20 lines too long? we got his point.

[Alien]

muslims in the us.... run for the hills!

and did anyone else find that a good 15-20 lines too long? we got his point.
I never read it, it was too long and had no pritty pictures :D Why should they run for the hills, they have every right to be there than anyone else doea.