View Full Version : Spider-Man 3 Poll: Would you prefer the film to be WITHOUT Venom?
ShinyBlackSuit
08-13-2006, 03:00 PM
I feel that Raimi only agreed to do a Venom film to appease the fans (by his own admission at Comic-Con) and it really ruins the final climactic battle that should've taken place between Peter Parker/Spider-Man and Harry Osbourn/Green Goblin. I mean, this is what the first two films have been building up towards, and now a villian (albeit a fan-favorite) comes along from left field and steals GG2's thunder. Really a shame, because I think the Spidey/GG2 confrontation is what Raimi had intended all along.
Discuss.
Prysm
08-13-2006, 03:12 PM
At this point I don't care, they've already ruined the movies when it comes to actual adaptations from the comic books.
The first one was interesting, the second one was stupid and I don't hold out much hope for the third one. However the only thing getting me to come to theatres to see it is the inclusion of Venom.
Obi-Ron
08-13-2006, 04:19 PM
I on the other hand hope Venom doesn't show up at all, except as a cliffhanger at the very end.
Considering Venom is only supposed to have a few minutes on screen before he bites the dust, I'd say he should definitely have been left out of it.
Sock-Man
08-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Venom is seeming tacked on, I must admit.
But after long thought on the matter though, I don't think it would appall me too much to have venom appear only near the end. Agreed the focus should be, and hopefully will be on the conclusion to the Spidey vs Harry/GG2 scenario. But that could never be the only focus of the story. As at the end of SM2, Harry is pretty much set up for said fight already. The black suit adds am interesting twist to Spider-Man. And perhaps we'll see him deal with GG2 in a way that we weren't expecting.
With the blacks suit inclusion, we must also expect the rejection of the black suit. Otherwise the suit as a focus is pointless. And with the rejection, we really must have a reprisal of the anger inside the suit that Spidey rejected. Which will be manifested in the Venom creature (which will work as an unexpected plot twist to unsuspecting audiences. as the casual fan will be expecting a straight out SMvsGG final battle).
And lets face it. Harry Osbourne IS going to redeem himself in some way. We know he's not straight out evil. He's simply bitter and gone too far. Perhaps this redemption could come from helping spidey take down Venom..?
It has the potential to tie nicely together anyway.
The Lizard
08-13-2006, 04:52 PM
It makes sense that the three Spidey movies would have the three most popular villains (GG, Ock and Venom), but the setup for Venom just wasn't there like it should have been.
Prysm
08-13-2006, 05:05 PM
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SPOILERS PEOPLE!
What do you mean the set up for Venom wasn't there?!?! :mad: :mad:
Leto Atreides
08-13-2006, 05:10 PM
I came in to say I wouldn't really want to see Venom, except as the suit meeting up with Eddie in an epilogue or something. But this:
And lets face it. Harry Osbourne IS going to redeem himself in some way. We know he's not straight out evil. He's simply bitter and gone too far. Perhaps this redemption could come from helping spidey take down Venom..?
could work too IMO.
Darthphere
08-13-2006, 05:27 PM
At this point I don't care, they've already ruined the movies when it comes to actual adaptations from the comic books.
The first one was interesting, the second one was stupid and I don't hold out much hope for the third one. However the only thing getting me to come to theatres to see it is the inclusion of Venom.
Wow, someone I agree with. Yeah, the Spider-Man movies have been horrible at adaptations. Spider-Man is nothing like his comic book counterpart and whats the deal with him losing his mask every 5 minutes?
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SPOILERS PEOPLE!
What do you mean the set up for Venom wasn't there?!?! :mad: :mad:
I think he means that Venom being thrown in with the Goblin story, Sandman, and Gwen is not a proper set up for Venom. It seems awfully rushed. This movie is over flowing with new characters. And if the Q&A is right [and it has been so far], Venom's getting short screen time.
At least GG and Ock got the villain spotlight to themselves. Venom's sharing it with two other villains. Like I said, it seems rushed.
Wow, someone I agree with. Yeah, the Spider-Man movies have been horrible at adaptations. Spider-Man is nothing like his comic book counterpart and whats the deal with him losing his mask every 5 minutes?
Yeah, they are not very faithful to the comics in alot of aspects.
But they are enjoyable to watch IMO.
Tzarinna
08-13-2006, 06:53 PM
Yes bring it :up:
ShinyBlackSuit
08-13-2006, 09:19 PM
I think he means that Venom being thrown in with the Goblin story, Sandman, and Gwen is not a proper set up for Venom. It seems awfully rushed. This movie is over flowing with new characters. And if the Q&A is right [and it has been so far], Venom's getting short screen time.
At least GG and Ock got the villain spotlight to themselves. Venom's sharing it with two other villains. Like I said, it seems rushed.
I've been thinking about this question for some time now, ever since someone PMed me the leaked trailer at ComicCon.
I mean, GG2/Spidey confrontation, while the logical conclusion, is expected and I don't think would've generated as big of a buzz (even though it is a Spidey picture).
But the inclusion of Venom is driving everyone nuts. I think Spidey is poised for another "perfect storm" blockbuster in opening day weekend, on the buzz of Venom alone.
And this might be the last time that the entire original principals will be working on a Spidey project. Therefore, I think there will be a battle scene between Spidey and Venom. It's just too good of an idea to pass up.
I'm sure there will be a battle scene with Spidey and Venom. Its supposed to be at the end with Sandman and GG2.
And Raimi admitted that Arad talked him into using Venom to simply please the fans. Not to mention to make money.
Never mind doing justice to Venom, Sony are just thinking about $$$$
ShinyBlackSuit
08-13-2006, 09:30 PM
I'm sure there will be a battle scene with Spidey and Venom. Its supposed to be at the end with Sandman and GG2.
And Raimi admitted that Arad talked him into using Venom to simply please the fans. Not to mention to make money.
Never mind doing justice to Venom, Sony are just thinking about $$$$
But he did further state in the same interview that he fell in love with the character after reading Alvin Sergent's script of Venom and Topher's interpretation of Brock. Let's face it-- Raimi is the captain of the boat and I think he would've walked away from the project unless the film had the integrity that he wanted it too.
Yeah, he fell in love with Topher's version of Brock/Venom.
By appearance alone, we know Topher is not the Brock of the comics. I'm betting his characterization will be somewhat different too.
ShinyBlackSuit
08-13-2006, 09:37 PM
Yeah, he fell in love with Topher's version of Brock/Venom.
By appearance alone, we know Topher is not the Brock of the comics. I'm betting his characterization will be somewhat different too.
But he does make a perfect nemesis for Tobey. Both skinny white kids with combed-over hair.. one stands for the All-American Red-White-Blue.. the other has the bad-ass alien Black suit.
And the CG of Venom (from what I can tell) is diesel like the comic Venom.
Brock was never the evil twin of Peter. That's why I don't like the casting of Topher as Brock. Especially when the previous villain's casting was very faithful to the comic characters.
Thank god for CGI with Venom.
ShinyBlackSuit
08-13-2006, 09:44 PM
Brock was never the evil twin of Peter. That's why I don't like the casting of Topher as Brock. Especially when the previous villain's casting was very faithful to the comic characters.
Thank god for CGI with Venom.
Yeah, that's true, but I think this is just an interesting casting choice by Raimi.
If they casted a diesel guy to play Venom (like a Jason Metelcampf or something, the guy from Desperate Housewives and John Tucker Must Die).. everyone would automatically cheer for Spider-Man since the film is about the underdog overcoming against-all-odds. It's very easy to villianize a character that seems to "have-it-all" which is what a muscled Brock would be, a jock.
However, since they cast Topher, a guy who has the same build as Tobey, then the audience can cheer the dark side that is Venom without too much of a cross-over. Or at least that's how I'm interpreting it and just my two cents. ;)
(*Cheers for Venom deep down*)
spiderman web-slinger
08-14-2006, 02:54 AM
i want the film to have venom. venom is awesome.
venom rules, and i do not want to wait any longer to see him on the screen
Darthphere
08-14-2006, 10:17 AM
Whats so cool about Venom? Really, the guy was cool when I was 5 maybe watching the SPider-Man cartoon but the character is hollow and empty. Its really just a OMG! Look how cool he lookS!!!11 character.
He is probably the worst written Spider-Man villain out there. None of them have had as many crappy stories as he has.
Red X
08-14-2006, 10:39 AM
Brock was never the evil twin of Peter. That's why I don't like the casting of Topher as Brock. Especially when the previous villain's casting was very faithful to the comic characters.
Thank god for CGI with Venom.
Thats something alot of Venom fans get wrong, he's not the evil Spider-Man. The only real parallel between them is their powers.
ShinyBlackSuit
08-14-2006, 11:38 AM
He is probably the worst written Spider-Man villain out there. None of them have had as many crappy stories as he has.
Yeah, Raimi said the same thing, but there are other Spidey-villians that are written far worse.
The Vulture kind of sucked. Cool action figure, though.
XtRaVa
08-14-2006, 11:40 AM
i want the film to have venom. venom is awesome.
It does...where have you been? :)
Yeah, Raimi said the same thing, but there are other Spidey-villians that are written far worse.
The Vulture kind of sucked. Cool action figure, though.
The Vulture has had more good stories than bad.
And in fairness, the Vulture is not an A-list villain like Venom is supposed to be.
ShinyBlackSuit
08-14-2006, 11:46 AM
The Vulture has had more good stories than bad.
And in fairness, the Vulture is not an A-list villain like Venom is supposed to be.
Yeah, that's true.. but I do think that the Venom is more interesting than the Vulture.
Kraven is way up there in the villians list. Along with The Lizard. Shocker is another C-list baddie.
carnage4u
08-14-2006, 12:14 PM
I on the other hand hope Venom doesn't show up at all, except as a cliffhanger at the very end.
this is what I wish would happen
but a 3 or 4 minute ..look. THERE venom.. LOOK hes dead. will make me probalby kill someone
spiderman web-slinger
08-14-2006, 12:30 PM
venom is an awesome villian ilike sandman also sand mans awesome and venoms awesome.
Cinemaman!
08-14-2006, 12:33 PM
He must be in 3rd movie, because he is the main spectacle in Spidey 3.
Warhammer Zero
08-14-2006, 12:35 PM
He must be in 3rd movie, because he is the main spectacle in Spidey 3.
Agreed.
Btw, Didnt know you made it here, Cinemaman.
Prysm
08-14-2006, 01:34 PM
I think he means that Venom being thrown in with the Goblin story, Sandman, and Gwen is not a proper set up for Venom. It seems awfully rushed. This movie is over flowing with new characters. And if the Q&A is right [and it has been so far], Venom's getting short screen time.
At least GG and Ock got the villain spotlight to themselves. Venom's sharing it with two other villains. Like I said, it seems rushed.
Like X3?
That doesn't suprise me Marvel's movies seem to have fallen behind a bit for me.
Sable
08-14-2006, 02:03 PM
I do like Venom and would love to see him in a Spiderman movie. However, S3 just has too many villains already. I would like to see more development on sandman and Harry as opposed to trying to juggle 3 villains and 2 love interests. It's insane! If they do the setup for Venom in this movie (like the symbiote, the suit, blahblahblah) and then focus the next movie on Venom, that would be much better pacing.
Oh, and does anybody else find the addition of Gwen Stacy a bit weird? I mean, Peter has already hooked up with MJ and everything. I wanna see Felicia Hardy!
spiderman web-slinger
08-14-2006, 02:04 PM
venom looks awesome his cgi form looks awesome.
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