Superman Returns vs Batman Begins

[Justice Knight]

Well I'm back. If you don't know who I am... I'm the proud owner of the WORST FIRST POST EVER! thank you, thank you...

Anywayz, I was just talking about DC Comic movies and the Question of Which is the best recently. Superman or Batman??

While Batman does have great acting, its effects are not as good as Superman
Superman on the other hand has good effects and acting, but the story is lacking, and really the Kid is not needed, He simply detracts from Superman, the character we WANT to see more of.
So personally I think Batman is better, but not by much...

Well what do you guys think?? Batman? Superman? Catwoman???:P

[boydston_14]

Although I liked SR, BB wins by a landslide.

[Bond AK 45]

Batman Begins wins this easily... For a couple of reasons..But I think the biggest reason is that superman was already done great justice by the Richard Donner movie and some say Superman II as well.. Now, even though I love the origanal Batman movie, untill Batman Begins, I never thought Batman was REALLY done justice... So when BB came out and reinvented it and did it so well, it was a FIRST for the franchise. Superman was already done well way before SR came out, thats why I think the movie flopped.

[rodvcpetrie]

To me the characters are two different beasts, their respective films in this case, Superman Returns and Batman Begins, are different beasts as well.

Batman is a darker character than Superman. He is also human and doesn't have powers. He uses realistic weaponry and technology.

Superman isn't human. He has powers which aren't realistic. He is a much lighter character in tone than Batman. He is a more fantastical character.

When you make a Batman film, you have to adhere to his personality and what type of character he is. The same goes for Superman. You can't switch them and expect the characters to function the same, they'd become different characters entirely.

Batman Begins isn't a special effects film in the same capacity that Superman Returns is. If you have to base your opinion on which film is best, the best way to judge this is to look at how each film has treated the character and which film has done the most justice overall. You also need to look at which film is the best filmmaking effort of the two.

So for me, its hard to say which film is better because I'm coming at it from a filmmaking standpoint. I don't really know which character I like the best out of the two. I think before I can answer truthfully I'd need to look at that first.

So yes this response has been a waste of time, lol - in the sense of not coming to a conclusion for myself, but it hasn't been a waste of time in pointing out my views on the characters, who they are, and what their differences are.

[b_cagwin]

batman begins by a landslide. begins is one of the best movies of the 2000's while Superman returns isnt even good.

[iv3rdawG]

http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44059

[Ultimate Green Goblin]

Superman sucked. Batman was good.

[Jokers Wild]

Superman was great.
Batman was bat-tastic.

Bat-tasic>Great, obviously. :D

[jonk]

loved them both, and really cant decide. the two films had totally different feelings, and are really hard to compare. you cant compare them just because they're both hero's.

wht do we need a favourite?

[Fanible]

http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44059

;)

loved them both, and really cant decide. the two films had totally different feelings, and are really hard to compare. you cant compare them just because they're both hero's.

wht do we need a favourite?

Um... yes we can. It's quite easy actually. Batman is a cooler hero, and so was the film.

While Batman does have great acting, its effects are not as good as Superman

This is kind of ironic, considering there were actually times where they used a CGI Batman instead of Christian Bale, and no one even knew it. Not to mention most of the effects in BB were actually real, while Superman's were mainly CGI. I think I'll go with Batman Begins'. I already saw most of the effects in SR done in the Matrix, so none of it was that interesting to see.

[Kable24]

I liked them both, but Batman Begins is better.

[rodvcpetrie]

I still don't know which character I like the best out of those two.

[Two Face]

I do, Batman is badass in this movie!

[Batattack²]

Batman Begins.

[Red X]

This thread needs a poll.

[ShinyBlackSuit]

Superman Returns, hands down!

I have read all the replies in this thread, and it seems that I am the last fan left to defend Bryan Singer and Superman Returns! ;) So be it! *Takes defiant stand*.. Just kidding, but here are my reasons for why I think the Superman film trumps the Batman film.

1. Round One: Director. Superman Returns just packs more vivid, moving, and yes, poetic imagery, in its film than Batman Begins. Yes, I will go on the record and state that Singer trumps Nolan in the director's chair! Singer has Superman squaring The Daily Planet's giant emblem of Earth on his shoulders. Nolan has crime-boss Fontane latched around a giant searchlight. This is an easy call. Round One goes to Singer.

2. Script. Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris are much better (and more proven) than David Goyer, who did the majority of the script for Batman Begins. Singer's writing team from the X-Men franchise have proven they can tell engaging stories. Goyer's most recent work to date is "Blade: The Series." Another easy call: Round Two goes to Supes.

3. Leading ladies. Bosworth is prettier than Kate. And she can act better too. Batman fans agree with me as well, I know it! Round Three goes to Superman.

4. Father voice-overs. C'mon, hearing Jor-el give his son precious advice on how to save the entire world is way better than Daddy Wayne feeling his son's pulse through flashbacks and telling him to "Get up, Bruce.".. I'd rather save the world than get up! Point, Superman.

5. Villians. Lex Luthor was not the main villian of Superman Returns.. the entire planet of Kryptonon II was the villian! An entire planet of a radioactive substance that is lethal to you.. or an eco-terrorist and his ninja goons? Point.. Superman!

I've said my piece, you can feel free to disagree, but you know I'm right so just admit it! ;)

Also, Superman Returns did not flop, it grossed around $200 Mil last time I checked, which was the third highest grossing film in the summertime. The only reason it didn't do as well as it should is because Pirates of the Carribbean II took all the sales at $400 million dollars. It's a sad fact of economics: there is a limited amount of pie, and not everyone can eat. So Supes hasn't recouped yet, but Overseas sales should put the film at a healthy $400-$500 gross worldwide. Not a bad way for WB to double-up.

[Warhammer Zero]

^BB didn't flop either.


..and Begins > Returns for me.

[Darth Elektra]

Superman Returns imo.

[Ock]

Batman Begins easily.

SR was one of the most boring movies I've ever had the misfortune of watching.

[CConn]

Hmm. Originally, I really wasn't going to say which of the two was better until I had seen SR a few more times, but looking at that other thread, I think I might have to agree with Tornado, though. BB's the better, but for me at least, SR is a bit more enjoyable.

[ferretchucker]

I think that both franchises were done great justice before these. Tim Burtons batman brought him out from the camp adam west series whereas Christopher Reeve as Superman was excellent. (not including 3 & 4.)
I would say BB but only because i felt a greater need for that film. On the original Suoerman you saw him (briefly, but still) become superman. However no Batman film has done that so batman begins was great. I only wish it was set a little while back. Maybe 10 years or so.

[spide-ed]

Superman Returns, hands down!

I have read all the replies in this thread, and it seems that I am the last fan left to defend Bryan Singer and Superman Returns! ;) So be it! *Takes defiant stand*.. Just kidding, but here are my reasons for why I think the Superman film trumps the Batman film.

1. Round One: Director. Superman Returns just packs more vivid, moving, and yes, poetic imagery, in its film than Batman Begins. Yes, I will go on the record and state that Singer trumps Nolan in the director's chair! Singer has Superman squaring The Daily Planet's giant emblem of Earth on his shoulders. Nolan has crime-boss Fontane latched around a giant searchlight. This is an easy call. Round One goes to Singer.

2. Script. Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris are much better (and more proven) than David Goyer, who did the majority of the script for Batman Begins. Singer's writing team from the X-Men franchise have proven they can tell engaging stories. Goyer's most recent work to date is "Blade: The Series." Another easy call: Round Two goes to Supes.

3. Leading ladies. Bosworth is prettier than Kate. And she can act better too. Batman fans agree with me as well, I know it! Round Three goes to Superman.

4. Father voice-overs. C'mon, hearing Jor-el give his son precious advice on how to save the entire world is way better than Daddy Wayne feeling his son's pulse through flashbacks and telling him to "Get up, Bruce.".. I'd rather save the world than get up! Point, Superman.

5. Villians. Lex Luthor was not the main villian of Superman Returns.. the entire planet of Kryptonon II was the villian! An entire planet of a radioactive substance that is lethal to you.. or an eco-terrorist and his ninja goons? Point.. Superman!

I've said my piece, you can feel free to disagree, but you know I'm right so just admit it! ;)

Also, Superman Returns did not flop, it grossed around $200 Mil last time I checked, which was the third highest grossing film in the summertime. The only reason it didn't do as well as it should is because Pirates of the Carribbean II took all the sales at $400 million dollars. It's a sad fact of economics: there is a limited amount of pie, and not everyone can eat. So Supes hasn't recouped yet, but Overseas sales should put the film at a healthy $400-$500 gross worldwide. Not a bad way for WB to double-up.

haha, thats interesting. Im intrigued why Kate Bosworth being more attractive than Katie Holmes would make it a better film though. And in no way does the crapness of some of Goyers material detract away from the fact BB has a great script.

Your right though, it didnt flop.

[Sora Kahn]

Batman Begins wins by far. Superman is still cursed with the mighty 'lets ruin Superman by claiming it's special treatment' curse. So big blue had no shot what so ever.

Superman Returns lacked character development, hero/villian development, action, and pretty much everything else including romance. Singer pretty much made a poor man's version of Superman The Movie. It's like Superman Returns was the Dungeons & Dragons and Superman The Movie was the Lord of the Rings.

[moviebuff801]

Batman Begins is not only the best out of these two, but the best superhero film ever. I have never been more emotionally involved with comic book characters in any other film quite like I was here. On top of that, this is the only comic book film I've ever seen that didn't feel like it was based on a comic book, meaning it had a teriffic sense of realism behind it. Plus, it's the only perfect Batman film ever made. While Superman Returns was the ideal Superman film for me, it came nowhere near the level of greatness that Batman Begins is on. It's movies like BB that raise the bar in their genre spectacularly well.

[Terrortron1]

Hmmm, well, Superman was prett redundant of every other Superman film previously made, and offered little in the way of something new. Batman Begins definitely revived the struggling Bat frnachise, but it still doesn't compare to Tim Burton's 1989 take.

[Sora Kahn]

I think Singer took Superman's image too far. Superman abandons his own child for the world. That was very heartless in what they made Superman do. It's not like the world is blowing up and he has to ship him off to another world.

That was the lowest moment in Superman history. Another reason why Superman Returns was a failure. Singer ruined Superman. Now as a person and hero, Batman is better. Batman is a bada** but Superman is now just plain heartless. Abandoning his own child for world glory.

Batman>>>>>>Superman

Batman Begins>>>>>>>Superman Returns

I pray they get a new director for the next Superman. A director who can save Superman from being this heartless being.

[jonk]

i honestly didn't think superman was a bad film. it had flaws that could have been avoided. but with a movie this high profile, with this big a fan base is going to have its mistakes noticed.

[spide-ed]

I pray they get a new director for the next Superman. A director who can save Superman from being this heartless being.

And i honestly really pray that you dont get your wish, no offence.

[Pkwy22]

I think Singer took Superman's image too far. Superman abandons his own child for the world. That was very heartless in what they made Superman do. It's not like the world is blowing up and he has to ship him off to another world.

That was the lowest moment in Superman history. Another reason why Superman Returns was a failure. Singer ruined Superman. Now as a person and hero, Batman is better. Batman is a bada** but Superman is now just plain heartless. Abandoning his own child for world glory.

Batman>>>>>>Superman

Batman Begins>>>>>>>Superman Returns

I pray they get a new director for the next Superman. A director who can save Superman from being this heartless being.

I dont think Superman was searching for world glory so much as simply saving the planet....not for the glory, but because he was the only one who could do it

[casketmouth]

Batman Begins wins this easily... For a couple of reasons..But I think the biggest reason is that superman was already done great justice by the Richard Donner movie and some say Superman II as well.. Now, even though I love the origanal Batman movie, untill Batman Begins, I never thought Batman was REALLY done justice... So when BB came out and reinvented it and did it so well, it was a FIRST for the franchise. Superman was already done well way before SR came out, thats why I think the movie flopped.

it flopped cause there was know originality. It was another rehash.

[casketmouth]

And i honestly really pray that you dont get your wish, no offence.

I agree, someone like spielberg maybe? or Ridley Scott, who actually know how to handle epics. james cameron maybe? ZSuperman did everything against his morals. Spying on Lois, flying into that damn kid's room uninvited, snooping around and stuff. Also lending his seamon to give birth to a BASTARD child? Thank God Nolan isn't an idiot cause he refuses to even put Robin in his series cause robin is corny as hell.

[casketmouth]

i honestly didn't think superman was a bad film. it had flaws that could have been avoided. but with a movie this high profile, with this big a fan base is going to have its mistakes noticed.

yeah like that damn kid. bastard child, also a killer and not even in elementary yet. wow!!!

[Sora Kahn]

Thank God Nolan isn't an idiot cause he refuses to even put Robin in his series cause robin is corny as hell.

Yeah, Robin doesn't work well with Batman anymore. Besides, I do believe he belongs to the Teen Titans now. Wait a minute, isn't he the leader?

[Spirited Away]

Batman was the better film. By a long shot.

[casketmouth]

Batman was the better film. By a long shot.

looooooooooooooong shot. We're talking Halo sniper rifle!!

[AliceComfort]

I don't like this movie!

[RiddleMeThis?]

I thought the purpose of Supes' kid was merely for an emotional anchor, although I fail to see why Lois Lane couldn't fit that role by herself (It's worked pretty steadily for decades)

But the same can probably be said about the Batman Begins character Rachel Dawes. She was another in a long cast of mentor/conscience-type characters to help Bruce Wayne down the right path. Which has been accomplished by the end of BEGINS.

Now, I didn't mind either too terribly, but if either Superman's Kid or Rachel Dawes play key roles in the sequels, then I may get a little pissed.

[casketmouth]

I thought the purpose of Supes' kid was merely for an emotional anchor, although I fail to see why Lois Lane couldn't fit that role by herself (It's worked pretty steadily for decades)

But the same can probably be said about the Batman Begins character Rachel Dawes. She was another in a long cast of mentor/conscience-type characters to help Bruce Wayne down the right path. Which has been accomplished by the end of BEGINS.

Now, I didn't mind either too terribly, but if either Superman's Kid or Rachel Dawes play key roles in the sequels, then I may get a little pissed.

Rachel dawes can be forgotten, but Superman's Bastard child, will be engraved so long as this series continues. Batman was the star of his own movie, where as superman was a subplot to everything else.

[darthspielberg]

I think Singer took Superman's image too far. Superman abandons his own child for the world. That was very heartless in what they made Superman do. It's not like the world is blowing up and he has to ship him off to another world.

That was the lowest moment in Superman history. Another reason why Superman Returns was a failure. Singer ruined Superman. Now as a person and hero, Batman is better. Batman is a bada** but Superman is now just plain heartless. Abandoning his own child for world glory.

Batman>>>>>>Superman

Batman Begins>>>>>>>Superman Returns

I pray they get a new director for the next Superman. A director who can save Superman from being this heartless being.

Because the world is less important than your own son. Right. Your adoptive homeworld, containing not only your son, but the woman you love, your mother, your best pal, and everyone else that has ever existed is less important than staying at home and playing GI Joe with your five-year-old.

Especially when being the kid's father would probably mess the kid up on an emotional level the likes which had never been seen. Five years or so he's believed that he is just Richard White's kid; he refers to Richard as daddy. He doesn't see Superman as his father, only as a nice guy that saved him, mommy, and daddy from certain death. Imagine shattering a child's perception of who his parents are -- with normal parents, learning that the guy who visited every once in a while is your real dad is quite a kick in the teeth (despite what Armageddon would lead you to believe), even in the later years when most children are informed of their true lineage. Your real father being Superman -- at his age, that could mentally destroy his psyche. There's no reason for Kal-El to stick around and be Jason's daddy when there already is one.

What Superman did was not selfish. It was the least selfish act he could perform: allowing Lois to be with the man she loves now, with the family unit that has been formed staying together, where he knows the kid will not have to suffer the burden of being Superman's child. You can see it in the moment that he gives the speech his father gave him when he was merely a baby, being sent off to Earth. Jor-El's greatest gift to his son was to let him go, to let him live a life elsewhere. Kal-El is simply repeating his father's gift, passing it onto Jason. He will protect him, but only when needed. He will teach him, but only when wanted. He will listen... but he will let someone else institute the moral upbringing of his child. Supes knows that Richard White is a good man, and will not lead his son astray.

Now, compare that to Batman, who abandons every love he has -- why? Because of his strict adherence to his duty. How is Superman's choice any different?

[darthspielberg]

I agree, someone like spielberg maybe? or Ridley Scott, who actually know how to handle epics. james cameron maybe? ZSuperman did everything against his morals. Spying on Lois, flying into that damn kid's room uninvited, snooping around and stuff. Also lending his seamon to give birth to a BASTARD child?

Round 2!

I don't think you can "lend" semen when you actually had intercourse with the woman.

Thank God Nolan isn't an idiot cause he refuses to even put Robin in his series cause robin is corny as hell.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/untitledfilmsltd/robin.jpg

It may not actually be Robin, but it sure as hell is a loving homage.

:D

[casketmouth]

Round 2!

I don't think you can "lend" semen when you actually had intercourse with the woman.



http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/untitledfilmsltd/robin.jpg

It may not actually be Robin, but it sure as hell is a loving homage.

:D

no that isn't Robin and my point of the semen thing is the whole fact that he partook in the birth of a BASTARD child...totally against his morals

[darthspielberg]

no that isn't Robin and my point of the semen thing is the whole fact that he partook in the birth of a BASTARD child...totally against his morals

Stop the all caps thing. It doesn't make your point any better. While the child is bastard by definition, Supes didn't do it with the intention of having a child, he was caught up in the moment (a moment, may I remind you was not a Bryan Singer idea from Superman Returns, but from Superman II, so get over your "Bryan Singer sucks" because its not Bryan Singers fault Superman stuck his thing in Lois Lane, he was just continuing the story as laid out by the first two films of the Superman film series) and then he left, a child wasn't on his mind, nor is it on his mind until Lois tells him at the end of the movie. the child may not have his real father around, but he certinally isn't a "BASTARD!" as you put him. He is in great hands with Lois and Richard, and its not like Superman is going to forget him or leave him forever...

oh and the Robin thing...thats what we in the real world like to call a joke. It's supposed to be funny. Maybe if you find your repressed sense of humor you can understand what I was going for, and if not, it's more entertaining to see you flail around as you cry "ROBIN SUCKS! BASTARD CHILD!"

[casketmouth]

Gosh!!! Superman Returns was bad!!!!

[casketmouth]

Stop the all caps thing. It doesn't make your point any better. While the child is bastard by definition, Supes didn't do it with the intention of having a child, he was caught up in the moment (a moment, may I remind you was not a Bryan Singer idea from Superman Returns, but from Superman II, so get over your "Bryan Singer sucks" because its not Bryan Singers fault Superman stuck his thing in Lois Lane, he was just continuing the story as laid out by the first two films of the Superman film series)Actually in the first two films Lois was given that stupid kiss of amnesia and from there she should have forgotten EVERYTHING!!! Some how though she remembers that slight factor of sleeping with him? Oh, and Singer WAS an idiot for doing that story cause HE chose it!!! and then he left, a child wasn't on his mind, nor is it on his mind until Lois tells him at the end of the movie So the reaction that she slept with superman in the first place was where?? terrible acting or script writing, pick one? She acted like she already new this, but she obviously didn't if Singer really followed superman 2, it's a selective sequal. the child may not have his real father around, but he certinally isn't a "BASTARD!" as you put him. He is in great hands with Lois and Richard, and its not like Superman is going to forget him or leave him forever... yes he is a BASTARD cause he was out of wedlock and his father wasn't even around for the first few years of his life. look it up... "Bastard" in the dictionary. Also Lois and Clark are no better than Lex with his sinister ways cause what they're doing would be something I would fight my father for. If he and my mom HID the truth from me all those years to find out who my real father is? too many plot holes on that note. How stupid IS that kid to not tell Richard about the piano thing and not make a big deal out of it. Lois is a caniving ***** if you really look at things. She has strong feelings for supes and goes on a flying escapade with him and she's married? what a *****!!!! As for Superman himself... even Batman never has or would mess with a married woman. They almost kissed or did they? I hate them both for that. Superman shouldn't have even flown with her. That spying unmoral wanker. Spying on Richards so called family. What kind of a man is that? He honestly is no better thab
n lex cause what he's doing is snakish. They are doing richard wrong. How do you think He'd feel when he finds out he's not the dad and lois has been knowing this. Or did lois have the baby before she actually met Richard? cause time line wise it would mean she met richard a month or weeks after sex with superman if he was to believe he's that bastard child's father. and had sex with her slightly after Supes. That's the only way any smart guy wouldn't ask something that off.

oh and the Robin thing...thats what we in the real world like to call a joke. It's supposed to be funny. Maybe if you find your repressed sense of humor you can understand what I was going for, and if not, it's more entertaining to see you flail around as you cry "ROBIN SUCKS! BASTARD CHILD!

I already knew that!!!

[spide-ed]

Gosh!!! Superman Returns was bad!!!!

When you put the argument as convincingly as that, ill have to agree with you.....because the more exclamation marks you put in it, the more i believe you of course.

[fear of depth]

Although I liked SR, BB wins by a landslide.

That pretty much sums up my feelings as well.

[fear of depth]

When you put the argument as convincingly as that, ill have to agree with you.....because the more exclamation marks you put in it, the more i believe you of course.

Really?

I'm GOD!!!!!!!

[souperman]

I enjoyed Superman Returns more than BB, but I'm a Superman fan, so it goes with the territory. As far as what I would think as a non-fan, from my perspective, BB was a good and highly intelligent film, while SR couldv'e improved with a more impressive story and overall development of the heroic characteristics of Superman. Like I said still, however, Superman is still the favored movie for me, had the character been emphasized more in this film, I would think different in my amibiguous perspective, until then, let's wait and hope the sequel will improve on this.

[Sora Kahn]

Superman Returns was quite on par with Batman and Robin. I mean, Lex does act awfully like Mr. Freeze did and his plan was just as corny as Freeze. They were both incredibly cartoony.

Singer=Schumacher

Superman Returns=Batman&Robin

[Fanible]

Superman Returns was quite on par with Batman and Robin. I mean, Lex does act awfully like Mr. Freeze did and his plan was just as corny as Freeze. They were both incredibly cartoony.

Singer=Schumacher

Superman Returns=Batman&Robin

I think that's pushing it a little. Superman Returns wasn't anything new, or particularly amasing, but it wasn't awful, like B&R was. It was just an ok, laid back Superhero flick. That "Yeah... that was kinda fun" sorta thing.

[morpheus1987]

Yeah I didnt see supernipples like I saw batnipples. Plus there was the fact that Kevin Spacey was the villain not the governator, so I think that in itself proves that it was a better movie

[He Who Walks Unseen]

It is without question Batman Begins. It is the greatest superhero movie ever made and will most likely keep that title untill Spider-Man 3 or The Dark Knight comes out. Batman Begins is in every way a perfect movie. Seriously, they could'nt have made a better Batman film. Superman Returns was really good as well, however, I felt like it was trying to hard to be like the original Superman films and not become a true, comic book based Superman film. Also I HATED the whole Super son thing. Really, why did they have that? If they make his son Superman in a future film I will puke. That would just reck comic book movies the way Batman and Robin did. Anyways, hopefully SR2 will be a better film, stay true to the comic book roots, ditch the whole homage to the original Superman films, and hopefully, kill off Superman's son.

[darthspielberg]

Actually in the first two films Lois was given that stupid kiss of amnesia and from there she should have forgotten EVERYTHING!!! Some how though she remembers that slight factor of sleeping with him? Oh, and Singer WAS an idiot for doing that story cause HE chose it!!! So the reaction that she slept with superman in the first place was where?? terrible acting or script writing, pick one? She acted like she already new this, but she obviously didn't if Singer really followed superman 2, it's a selective sequal. yes he is a BASTARD cause he was out of wedlock and his father wasn't even around for the first few years of his life. look it up... "Bastard" in the dictionary. Also Lois and Clark are no better than Lex with his sinister ways cause what they're doing would be something I would fight my father for. If he and my mom HID the truth from me all those years to find out who my real father is? too many plot holes on that note. How stupid IS that kid to not tell Richard about the piano thing and not make a big deal out of it. Lois is a caniving ***** if you really look at things. She has strong feelings for supes and goes on a flying escapade with him and she's married? what a *****!!!! As for Superman himself... even Batman never has or would mess with a married woman. They almost kissed or did they? I hate them both for that. Superman shouldn't have even flown with her. That spying unmoral wanker. Spying on Richards so called family. What kind of a man is that? He honestly is no better thab
n lex cause what he's doing is snakish. They are doing richard wrong. How do you think He'd feel when he finds out he's not the dad and lois has been knowing this. Or did lois have the baby before she actually met Richard? cause time line wise it would mean she met richard a month or weeks after sex with superman if he was to believe he's that bastard child's father. and had sex with her slightly after Supes. That's the only way any smart guy wouldn't ask something that off.



I already knew that!!!

OH! I do believe I've been told. I guess each exclimation point is a slap, and a each CAPPED WORD is like a punch in the sack? right? yes, daddy. ;)

[RiddleMeThis?]

Superman Returns was quite on par with Batman and Robin. I mean, Lex does act awfully like Mr. Freeze did and his plan was just as corny as Freeze. They were both incredibly cartoony.

Singer=Schumacher

Superman Returns=Batman&Robin
http://www.myconfinedspace.com/watermark.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2006/07/lex-luthor-wrong.jpg

Sorry. someone had to do it.

Seriously, Spacey's performance was a charming spin on Gene Hackman's original. A little goofy, yes. But the best Luthor has an excessive personality. Not quite the tight-ass from the WB Supes Cartoon. (Whom I also like, Clancey Brown Rules!)

Please do NOT compare SR to B&R. It's insulting to everyone, everywhere.

[casketmouth]

Well I'm back. If you don't know who I am... I'm the proud owner of the WORST FIRST POST EVER! thank you, thank you...

Anywayz, I was just talking about DC Comic movies and the Question of Which is the best recently. Superman or Batman??

While Batman does have great acting, its effects are not as good as Superman
Superman on the other hand has good effects and acting, but the story is lacking, and really the Kid is not needed, He simply detracts from Superman, the character we WANT to see more of.
So personally I think Batman is better, but not by much...

Well what do you guys think?? Batman? Superman? Catwoman???:P

Sorry, Batman Begins murks SR by a HUGE margin!!!! HUGE I tell ya, HUGE!!!!!

[RiddleMeThis?]

Sorry, Batman Begins murks SR by a HUGE margin!!!! HUGE I tell ya, HUGE!!!!!

I loved Superman Returns, myself. But I could watch Batman Begins for 1000 hours straight and still love it. It's just that friggin' good. Katie Holmes on the other hand...

[morpheus1987]

...needs to be killed by the joker

[RiddleMeThis?]

...needs to be killed by the joker

http://www.cinemorgue.com/kithollerbach.JPG

And how!!!

[iv3rdawG]

Once again, which I posted on the first page:

http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44059

[spide-ed]

Its like comparing a fry-up to cake, they are completely different and good for different reasons. I like both.

But if i had to pick...

Batman, i just think it was more interesting.

[moviebuff801]

I agree. These films are on two completely different levels of greatness. But obviously, I'd have to go with "Batman Begins".

[redbullio]

i loved the action in superman returns, but no way it can beat batman begins. just no way at all. none whatsoever. nope. can't be done. nada. zero. zilch.

redbulio

[darthspielberg]

Its like comparing a fry-up to cake, they are completely different and good for different reasons. I like both.

But if i had to pick...

Batman, i just think it was more interesting.

That is the best way I've heard it put yet. exactyly. Thank you :D