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MasterChief117

09-25-2009, 06:35 PM

^ Agreed. I always really look forward to the new opening credits every year. I'm hoping they'll replace the red backdrop with something else (or at least replace the actor models with recent footage), but I suspect they probably won't.

Agreed. Atleast put flashy images of this upcoming season as like a promo or something. They should atleast make the backgrounding something symbolic to Superman. That'd be sweet.

Neverending

09-25-2009, 09:08 PM

This season looks as promising as season 8. Hopefully it won't disappoint half-way through.

insaneMoViEgoer

09-25-2009, 09:57 PM

hey, it's smallville ;)

Tornado

09-25-2009, 11:00 PM

I thought the premiere was great; looking forward to the rest of the season. Zod isn't as annoying as I thought he would be... Callum Blue's acting should help make up for another Lex-less season (something I thought was seriously missing from Season 8 - Doomsday sort of helped, but not quite as much as I think Zod will).

And as some of the early reviews I read stated, they really amped up the FX budget or something this year. Lots of really cool stuff. I say this every year, but I think this is one of the better premieres of the series.

true fan11212

09-25-2009, 11:50 PM

Tornado

09-26-2009, 01:48 AM

Who else loved the Statue of Liberty dive? It really caught me off guard; I love that Clark is actively pursuing the idea of flight now. It seems like he'll fly at some point this season, and then don the real tights next year (if it is indeed the final year).

sshuttari

09-26-2009, 02:09 AM

Stay Puft

09-26-2009, 08:47 AM

I'd watch them before the premier, get the full story

Near solid permier by the way. 2 things I didn't much care for, Ollie and no explanation as to Jor-el's return to the fortress. Last we left off, he had abandoned it. As for Oliver, it's just that one minute they write his character as (Pro Superhero, motivated, do not kill) etc. and the next he's (anti Superhero, lacks motivation with the mindset of kill, kill, kill). Just seems like a repetative roller coaster they've got him on. One minute he's accepting his destiny as Green Arrow, the other he's denying it.

Just wish they'd stick to the positive Oliver we saw in Season 6 and the episode in Season 8 with Zatanna at the end with him and Chloe(watchtower). I mean, he was in a drunken slump at the start of S8, got out of it around that particular episode just to dispand and end up in an underground fight club? What, by mid season he's going to be back kicking ass with The Justice League just to be in another slump by seasons end? Getting real old is all

other than Oliver's reused story arc, everything else is on point

but like most season premiers, things start off good then head south. Let's just pray this is not the case this season

Tornado

09-26-2009, 10:54 AM

So I missed like the last 4 or 5 episodes of last season. Is it worth watching or should I just pass em since I hear a lot from people nothing really happens... Or Should I watch em before the premiere since I have it recorded.

Who did you hear that from? Quite a bit actually happens in the last 4 or 5 episodes from Season 8.

MasterChief117

09-26-2009, 03:50 PM

Great episode, I think it was an obvious building episode for the season. Here are my pros and cons.

Pros:

-Mr. Welling is absolutely fantastic, as was ED and JH. Callum did just fine the rest were just annoying a bit.
-The FX were off the chains great.
-A lot of build up which I love
-How lifeless Clark has become.
-The entire Kneeling in front of Zod.
-The last conversation between Clark and Chloe, oh so powerful.

Cons:
-Felt like waaaay too much was going on in the episode and it spent most of the time displaying ED, which I don't mind.
-Brian Austin Green was good but I didn't get to see enough of him.
-As much as I like how dark Clark has gotten, I really like the show a lot better when it's a lighter version of him.

Neverending

09-26-2009, 04:27 PM

As expected this move to Friday was a disaster. Smallville was the lowest rated show at the 8pm time slot with 2.50 million viewers. It was also the second lowest rated show of the night. The lowest was a repeat of America's Next Top Model which aired right after Smallville. This was also the lowest ratings the show has ever gotten. Normally it gets anywhere between 3 to 4 million viewers.

sshuttari

09-26-2009, 06:43 PM

The Beautiful Life has been canned after one episode. Mid week free switch Smallville to that night. It would be smart anyway but with CW you never know.

Neverending

09-27-2009, 01:39 AM

The Beautiful Life has been canned after one episode. Mid week free switch Smallville to that night. It would be smart anyway but with CW you never know.

CW has decided to air repeats of Melrose Place instead. :rolleyes:

Tolkien

09-27-2009, 05:40 AM

Hey, I saw ads for that show and let me tell you, the TV world suffered no loss. lol.

bbf2

09-27-2009, 06:03 AM

I think a lot more people watched the episode than who viewed it on Friday...everyone probably DVRed it or watched it online because of its horrible time slot. Moving to Friday was a horrible idea...hasn't Smallville usually been one of its highest rated shows? I think stuff like Gossip Girl has surpassed it but it should be pretty close...

Why did they sacrifice Smallville to ratings death day in an attempt to draw attention to new, unproven stuff? (which according to their website is "Vampire Diaries" and the now cancelled "The Beautiful Life," whatever those are) Why didn't they move "Supernatural" or "One Tree Hill," hasn't Smallville done better than those shows typically?

Looks like they're showing a RERUN of Melrose Place Wednesday at 9 now...what the hell? Just move Smallville over! Wednesday is the perfect night for it! Come on...

(Also, is there really a need in this world for both a 90210 revival AND a Melrose Place revival?)

Stay Puft

09-27-2009, 08:56 AM

(Also, is there really a need in this world for both a 90210 revival AND a Melrose Place revival?)

why the hell are those shows even on The CW? They should be on FOX

FOX probably didn't want them, therefore, they shouldn't have been revived. I was so giddy when the og's went out at the end of the 90's. Back then I thought those dramas were ruining television, little did I know that once they went out, reality tv and american idol came in. Now I'd kill to have the OG Melrose Place and Beverly Hills back on FOX instead of this "reboot" crap the CW has

Tornado

09-27-2009, 10:26 AM

Angelixx

09-27-2009, 06:11 PM

All of this can be answered with the fact that Dawn Ostroff (one of the head honchos at The CW) is a moron.
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I'm so glad someone said it.

Neverending

09-27-2009, 06:15 PM

I think a lot more people watched the episode than who viewed it on Friday...

The episode is the fifth most downloaded at iTunes for the week. So, you're right. Sadly, however, that's not how network TV works. It's about on-air advertising. And, Smallville will be getting less this season.

hasn't Smallville usually been one of its highest rated shows?

It still is. According to this week, anyway.

1. Vampire Diaries - 3.81 million viewers
2. Supernatural - 2.62 million viewers
3. Smallville - 2.50 million viewers
4. One Tree Hill - 2.48 million viewers
5. Gossip Girl - 2.09 million viewers
6. America's Next Top Model - 2.08 million viewers
7. 90210 - 2.01 million viewers
8. Melrose Place - 1.05 million viewers
9. The Beautiful Life - 1.00 million

Tornado

09-27-2009, 06:22 PM

As far as I know, Smallville was consistently the #1 rated scripted program on the network for the past couple of years. The only reason The Vampire Diaries rated so high this past week is because it was the pilot; that number will probably drop considerably over the next couple of weeks.

MasterChief117

09-27-2009, 07:22 PM

^Your absolutely right. Not to mention Nielson never takes in effect the people with DVR's or the online views.

Neverending

09-27-2009, 07:32 PM

The only reason The Vampire Diaries rated so high this past week is because it was the pilot;

Your absolutely right.

I love Tornando, consider him a pal, and usually agree with him but this time he's 100% wrong. Vampire Diaries has been on the air for THREE weeks. So far it's been CW's #1 show:

Pilot - 4.84 million viewers
EP2 - 3.78 million viewers
EP3 - 3.81 million viewers

It's getting the type of ratings that Smallville got when it was on Thursdays. So, CW moved Smallville so Vampire Diaries could steal its audience.

Tornado

09-27-2009, 07:40 PM

Love you too bud. ;)

And you're right. I keep confusing the schedule because of how late Smallville started compared to everything else. Pretty solid numbers though. I understand why they would break up Smallville and Supernatural (as I assume, without really watching either show, Supernatural and The Vampire Diaries are a better fit), but I'm a little surprised they didn't move that pair to Wednesdays and pair up Smallville with... I actually don't have a suggestion there I guess. I suspect I would enjoy Supernatural if I gave it a chance, but outside of that and Smallville I find everything else on the network to be atrocious. Maybe it would have better to pair up TVD with Gossip Girl or Melrose Place or something.

MasterChief117

09-27-2009, 10:41 PM

I love Tornando, consider him a pal, and usually agree with him but this time he's 100% wrong. Vampire Diaries has been on the air for THREE weeks. So far it's been CW's #1 show:

Pilot - 4.84 million viewers
EP2 - 3.78 million viewers
EP3 - 3.81 million viewers

It's getting the type of ratings that Smallville got when it was on Thursdays. So, CW moved Smallville so Vampire Diaries could steal its audience.

I'll admit I'm wrong. ;) But what about that .75 that dropped? Lol.

Smallville is still better. :rolleyes:

Neverending

09-28-2009, 12:30 AM

Smallville is still better. :rolleyes:

No one said it wasn't. I'm just correcting the ratings mistake. Smallville has always been essentially a chick show. Even back when CW was just The WB it aired chick shows like Dawson's Creek. That's why we had to put up with the Clark-Lana B.S. for so many seasons. So, all CW did was have Vampire Diaries steal one million of Smallville's audience on Thursdays.

Tornado

09-28-2009, 10:39 AM

Craig over at K-Site posted his early review for Metallo. He said he enjoyed it, but not as much as Savior.

These first two episodes aren't what I was worried about for this season; personally I'm more concerned with some of the other spoilers revealed on K-Site... although, the neat introduction of Zod helped calm some of that.

Stay Puft

09-28-2009, 11:49 AM

It's getting the type of ratings that Smallville got when it was on Thursdays. So, CW moved Smallville so Vampire Diaries could steal its audience.

I don't think that necessarily means VD "stole" SV's audience, as I highly doubt they're one in the same. I would go more along the lines of SV's audience (some of them at least) moved to Fridays while VD's gained an audience that previously had not tuned into CW on Thursday's at 7. Now they do

sure there may be a couple of Smallville and Supernatural fans watching Vampire Diaries, but I'd still wager that most of VD's audience are newcomers.

true fan11212

09-28-2009, 03:52 PM

Tornado

09-28-2009, 03:54 PM

Ha, ain't that the truth. Fortunately, I haven't seen any hint of them doing that anywhere (and spoilers are known for the first 10-11 episodes of the season). I suspect we've seen the last of Lana, unless she returns for the series finale.

MasterChief117

09-28-2009, 05:15 PM

I really want this season to work and not be so inconsistant like Season 8 where it went on streaks of good and really bad. Hopefully the writers can get setlled on a good pace for the show. All I know is I don't want the entire season being so dark and dehumanizing. Especially for Superman, as much as I love a dark Superman, it's just not him. It'd be like if Batman went around smiling and hugging people as he arrested people, just not cool.

Tornado

09-28-2009, 05:21 PM

I think it's going to be pretty solid. Of the ten or so sets of episode spoilers I've read, there was only one I found to be really questionable. And even that one may not be as bad as it came off. But I'm not getting my hopes up just yet, because this show has a long history of disappointing me when I never see it coming.

MasterChief117

09-28-2009, 05:23 PM

That's good to hear. As long as the writing is solid we shouldn't have a problem. I've only fully watched 3 season(1,2,8, waiting to get 3 here soon) and I have never seen anything wrong with the budget/fx/acting. I can't wait for next weeks.

Also, I was kinda disapointed by the opening. I was hoping for a bit more...I guess stuff. Oh well, still great I suppose.

MasterChief117

09-28-2009, 05:25 PM

Just read the summary for Metallo and Rabid, both sound really good.

Tornado

09-28-2009, 05:28 PM

I was a bit disappointed with the new introduction too, as every year I expect to see a brand new format or at the very least new floating heads for the actors. I thought what we got was OK in comparison to previous years, but I still had higher expectations for it.

The FX doesn't usually bother me either, but if you re-watch episodes enough you'll see where the budget for a particular episode was a lot higher than the budget of another (most noticeable with episodes where Clark exhibits a lot of powers compared to episodes where he doesn't do anything outside of occasional super-speeds or one "big" move - the chainsaw breaking on his chest in Season 1's Crush for example).

Tornado

09-28-2009, 05:29 PM

Just read the summary for Metallo and Rabid, both sound really good.

Yeah, I'm actually really looking forward to Rabid too even though it could easily be just another goofy episode the show makes so many of.

MasterChief117

09-28-2009, 05:31 PM

I was a bit disappointed with the new introduction too, as every year I expect to see a brand new format or at the very least new floating heads for the actors.

That's what I was looking for, a new back piece or atleast new character models. We really didn't get either besides Callum's which is okay. We did get some new footage here and there but not the best stuff I've seen.

The FX doesn't usually bother me either, but if you re-watch episodes enough you'll see where the budget for a particular episode was a lot higher than the budget of another (most noticeable with episodes where Clark exhibits a lot of powers compared to episodes where he doesn't do anything outside of occasional super-speeds or one "big" move - the chainsaw breaking on his chest in Season 1's Crush for example).

Yeah, in Season 1 I did notice that but it really doesn't bug me because it's a TV show on The CW, that alone says a lot. I really think the fight sequences and where he uses his powers are probably the strongest. That episode, Crush was probably some of the worst CG.

MasterChief117

09-28-2009, 05:32 PM

Yeah, I'm actually really looking forward to Rabid too even though it could easily be just another goofy episode the show makes so many of.

Not sure how Zombies would work in Metropolis but the virus idea definently sounds like Zod.

Tornado

09-28-2009, 05:34 PM

You should probably tag that ^, but yeah I got the same feeling about it. I just hope the action is more frenetic like traditional zombie movies and games than more slow and prodding like the zombie episode in The X-Files.

MasterChief117

09-28-2009, 05:36 PM

Sorry about that, completely forgot about spoilers around here. I just can't wait to see Clark in such situation, never thought about him in a Zombie[/BLACKOUTsituation. Hell, I don't even think they did a [BLACKOUT]Zombie comic arc in the Superman comics. Not that I remember.

Also, not to sound like a complete Tard but is there like an ETA when they will be calling Clark, Superman and not Red-Blu Blur or the Blur? I guess that probably progresses like his suit.

Tornado

09-28-2009, 05:39 PM

You should probably tag that first part too. ^ It's really just the word zombie. ;)

As for your second point, I don't think so. I suspect he won't be called 'Superman' until the series finale.

MasterChief117

09-28-2009, 05:39 PM

Just read the synopsis for the 4th episode Echo. I can't believe they brought back the toymaker. :mad:

Tornado

09-28-2009, 05:42 PM

MasterChief117

09-28-2009, 05:45 PM

I don't mind that so much. I'm more concerned about the idea of Clark getting a power Superman doesn't consistently have (reading others' thoughts). But, now that we know Clark is training I suspect that may just be another part of that. And if that's the case, I don't really have a problem with it.

Agreed, that bothered me too. Hopefully it's one of those Smallville things where he obtains it and loses it. :)

It's kinda like the same thing when Clark needs to save Martha or Johnathan and they are by someone that doesn't know he has powers, they always go unconcious. lol

Tornado

09-28-2009, 06:02 PM

Anybody else think it was kind of odd that we didn't go into the Kent house once in this past episode, and yet we went to all of the other popular Smallville hot-spots (the Fortress, the Daily Planet, the Hospital, the Kent Barn, etc.)?

Also, this is my 1000th post in this thread. Oh boy.

Tornado

09-28-2009, 09:46 PM

Another advance review of Metallo:

http://www.smallvillepodcast.com/2009/09/28/metallo-advance-review-of-9x02/

Lookin' pretty good so far, I can't wait for it.

true fan11212

09-28-2009, 09:58 PM

I think it's going to be pretty solid. Of the ten or so sets of episode spoilers I've read, there was only one I found to be really questionable. And even that one may not be as bad as it came off.

Are you talking about the episode with The Wonder Twins?

Tornado

09-28-2009, 10:08 PM

I actually forgot about that one. I was referring to the one where Clark and Lois become co-hosts of some reality TV show and go on blind dates or something.... Crossfire, I think it's called.

true fan11212

09-28-2009, 10:38 PM

I actually forgot about that one. I was referring to the one where Clark and Lois become co-hosts of some reality TV show and go on blind dates or something.... Crossfire, I think it's called.

Eww. I can see why you're concerned.

Spirited Away

09-29-2009, 04:13 PM

The bit your concerned about is the B-story (or even C-story) for the episode.

The main plot for Crossfire is Green Arrow meeting his sidekick Speedy, rescuing her from her life in prostitution, and dealing with the fact she has AIDS. It's a pretty serious episode, especially as Speedy is still a teenager (so the publicity will be immense - "CW condones teen prostitution", etc.), so the B-story is there to make it a bit easier to digest.

Tornado

09-29-2009, 04:19 PM

I was under the impression what you blacked out was the B/C story, and what I posted was the A story.

Spirited Away

09-29-2009, 04:38 PM

There's no way they would make the [somewhat groundbreaking] storyline a subplot. But then again, this is the CW and DC Comics.

It seems like only WB care about the show (for example, our television division just signed a massive syndication deal worth over $8 million with NBC's UK channels this morning, for all of Seasons 1 to 10, ensuring Smallville will stay on the air here in the UK until 2017).

Alien

09-29-2009, 04:51 PM

Does Channel 4 have some kind of link with NBC? They show Smallville don't they? The used to anyway, but they were always 2 seasons behind or some rubbish.

I never watch it on TV. I own all the DVDs till Super-Girl turned up (I don't have the money for all the DVDs I want now :( ) and download from the US.

Spirited Away

09-29-2009, 05:20 PM

Channel 4 and NBC are completely different companies. As far as I know, Channel 4 have the first run rights to only Season 9, and once they finish airing it in June, the UK rights to Season 9 automatically transfer to NBC.

I believe NBC also bought the first-run rights to anything Smallville-related that comes after Season 9 (such as Season 10, spin-offs, TV movies, etc.), however that might not be entirely true. I'll try to find out.

Of course, the best part of the deal is it's HD-inclusive, and I think Syfy UK will be the first network in the world to air the remastered HD version of Season 1. (As you may or may not know, Season 1 was shot on film and in widescreen, but was mastered and edited in standard definition. Over the last few years, WB have gone back and re-scanned the rushes and HD'd all the visual effects.)

Alien

09-29-2009, 06:04 PM

Okay I'm confused... Do we get NBC in the UK? Is that one of the high numbers on Sky that I never bother to check out coz they never normally show anything good?

Spirited Away

09-29-2009, 09:20 PM

Okay I'm confused... Do we get NBC in the UK? Is that one of the high numbers on Sky that I never bother to check out coz they never normally show anything good?
Kinda. NBC owns a whole load of UK channels, like Sci Fi, Hallmark and Diva. The type of deal they did with WB was a blanket deal, which allows them to air Smallville on any of their channels.

Also: it's industry knowledge that NBC desperately want to rename Hallmark into NBC UK, and have live feed Jay Leno, we will actually have our own NBC sooner or later.

Tornado

10-02-2009, 12:09 AM

I miss talking about this show on Thursday nights. This thread doesn't seem to be as active as it once was.

Darth Maul

10-02-2009, 04:05 AM

Ya, I guess heh. But isn't that due to it being moved to the Friday block?

Neverending

10-02-2009, 04:35 AM

I miss talking about this show on Thursday nights. This thread doesn't seem to be as active as it once was.

The thread, in general, hasn't been the same since season 6. Although I've noticed more activity lately than last year. Last year it was the worst. An episode would air and there would be like three posts discussing it. So, the slack has been picking up...even with the new time slot.

Tornado

10-02-2009, 09:56 AM

Ya, I guess heh. But isn't that due to it being moved to the Friday block?

Yeah that's sort of what I was implying.

Tornado

10-02-2009, 09:09 PM

bbf2

10-03-2009, 08:16 AM

That was really good.

I'm especially impressed by Mr. Megan Fox. The scene where he was yelling at Clark for interfering in people's lives because of his sister could have been really cheesy but he pulled it off incredibly well. I also liked that they made the villain have some emotional resonance with Clark and used him to expand on the ideas and consequences of what the Blur is doing instead of just having Clark speed in, disarm the villain in two seconds then speed away.

Stay Puft

10-03-2009, 10:24 AM

really good episode, much like season 8, it's off to a solid start. Can they keep it up?

Tolkien

10-03-2009, 10:32 AM

I thought it was a really good episode, but maybe a little slow to get going. The final scene between Clark and Lois was excellent. The cinematography really impressed me too, as did the work in the premiere. I have to wonder if they hired a new team of people over the summer or something, as this season feels and looks very different from seasons in the past.

1. Savior - A
2. Metallo - A-
Beat me to the Vigilante Clark avatar... I hate you. lol.

All in all, it's off to a pretty decent start. I have my cons about the new look and all, but I will admit that the pros out-weigh the cons this time around. At least, more so than last season, ugh. Wonder where they're going with the whole Major Zod storyline though. Not to mention all the other supposed Kryptonians suddenly popping up around Earth now. I mean, what's up with that bit?

Tornado

10-03-2009, 11:07 AM

I wonder who was lying in the El-symbol in the final scene. I'm guessing it's Jor-El, but I'm still waiting for an explanation as to what exactly the Orb itself is or does (it's basically a McGuffin, and that really kind of bothers me). Did the Orb contain what was essentially a "freeze frame" of Kandor/Krypton of sorts? Because we know the current General Zod is a phantom in the Zone right now, and since that's the case that means Major Zod will eventually have to go back into the Orb or somehow get to a past-version of Krypton or something to become a General (if he doesn't become that within the season) or at the very least have his body destroyed and banished to the Phantom Zone.

Sorry if this post doesn't make a lot of sense. Blame the show for that one. I love it to death and I'm a huge fan, but it has a knack for just assuming the audience won't question a lot of what they're doing.

Alien

10-03-2009, 11:16 AM

I've had a problem with Major Zod since he was anounced. Unless he's some sort of clone we know that he's going to be sent back to Krypton's past so he can try and take over Lex.

Stay Puft

10-03-2009, 11:31 AM

well aren't they clones from the past? Much like Lara was in season 7?

I wonder if Zor-el had anything to do with the creation of the orb and the drawing of all the Kandorians blood.

Tornado

10-03-2009, 01:51 PM

Beat me to the Vigilante Clark avatar... I hate you. lol.

You can have it, I was waiting for something better to come along anyway.

Tolkien

10-03-2009, 03:24 PM

Just so you know, her legs are crossed... he can't see anything. ;)

Tornado

10-03-2009, 06:05 PM

I wasn't too concerned.

bbf2

10-04-2009, 03:44 AM

I thought they made it pretty clear that "Major Zod" and his friends were all clones. The female Kryptonian even said "The last thing I remember was getting my blood drawn!"

Presumably someone took samples of all their blood and created clones of them, which were stored in Kandor and were only to be released if their species were threatened. After these clones were created and stored the real Zod and the others lived their lives normally.

I think it's cool that they're using these characters - it allows them to play around with the characters of Zod and (presumably) Jor-El a little bit without affecting continuity, since these guys are just clones. The real Zod (who possessed Lex) is still the Phantom Zone and the real Jor-El is still dead.

This guy isn't necessarily going to become full blown "General Zod" - that was the destiny of the real Zod who his blood was drawn from, but now that they've taken the young Zod and put him in a totally different environment he'll probably have a much different destiny. (My predictions are that this Major Zod clone's destiny involves banging Tess and some point, creating problems for Clark, and then dying in the season finale)

Stay Puft

10-04-2009, 07:25 AM

^exactly

Tornado

10-04-2009, 10:22 AM

Ah, I must have missed that.

Tolkien

10-04-2009, 11:32 AM

Truthfully, I have no idea how Zod and his men got there. I don't remember any of that happening last season. I just saw all of them in the first episode and was like' okay, where'd they come from.

MasterChief117

10-04-2009, 07:17 PM

I still need to watch Metallo, got no time on my hands to do so.

MasterChief117

10-04-2009, 09:17 PM

Finally watched Metallo. Great episode. I like this season a lot but I wish there was some more balance. I really wanted to see more of the Oliver vs Clark thing but this season has really toed away from that. :(

Savior - B+
Metallo - B+

Tornado

10-04-2009, 09:35 PM

I hate the Clark vs. Oliver mentality the show sometimes gets. If I hear one more speech about, "You need to get your act together, Clark," from Oliver, I'm going to flip out.

MasterChief117

10-04-2009, 09:47 PM

Nothing like that. I'm talking about an actual versus. In the comic book universe they never got a long. Oliver always sided with Bruce(Money reasons I'm sure). Superman and Green Arrow never saw eye to eye. I was hoping to show more of that, just less fathering.

Art_of_crime

10-05-2009, 08:47 PM

is this show on Hulu? I never watch it on TV.

insaneMoViEgoer

10-05-2009, 10:11 PM

its not on hulu, but its on the cw's site.

Tornado

10-05-2009, 10:34 PM

And it's usually on YouTube if you look shortly after the episode airs/hard enough.

MasterChief117

10-06-2009, 06:57 AM

Just got the third season on DVD. Really good thus far.

FVD

10-07-2009, 05:51 AM

This Season is looking to be off to a good start. The Metallo look is looking pretty sick if you ask me. I got a huge smile from Clark just sitting there at the end of the episode from Lois talking about what she went through. :D

MasterChief117

10-09-2009, 10:37 AM

This season's real great thus far, just wish we could see a bit more refrences or usage of Superman. I'm not really fond of the 'Blur' so the sooner we can get rid of that the better IMO.

Today's episode sounds sick, Hopefully it lives up.

Tornado

10-09-2009, 10:54 AM

You want Superman references? The symbol has been all over the place. ;)

Once they start calling him Superman, the show is probably over.

MasterChief117

10-09-2009, 01:40 PM

True, I just want something more than the Blur. IDK, Who knows.

Spirited Away

10-09-2009, 08:20 PM

Tonight's episode is seriously F**KING AMAZING!! Tess is the definition of bad-ass. The fact this episode has taken such a silly concept and made it a damn awesome episode (so far) is a testament to the show's writers, cast and crew. I want Season 10, goddammit!

Neverending

10-09-2009, 09:09 PM

I missed last week's episode, so what happened to emo Clark Kent? One episode and everything is back to normal? Classic Smallville, man. lol. Anyway, tonight was great. Although a bit too soon for the "Halloween" episode. And if I'm not mistaken, compared to last season, they got into fillers much quicker.

Tornado

10-09-2009, 09:52 PM

I don't think Clark has been "emo" this season (yet). But Clark came to his senses that his compassion is one of his strengths, and decided to return to the Daily Planet (at least I think that was the idea, I've only watched Metallo once so far).

Haven't watched Rabid yet. Download in progress.

MasterChief117

10-09-2009, 10:02 PM

Savior - B
Metallo - B
Rabid - A

Finally, the episode of the season to kick it off. For the most part the writing was top notch and the feel was awesome. I finally got the amount of Olly that I wanted and the entire last scene with him was just great. I absolutely loved it.

Not really sure what they are doing with Clark's character, he really isn't moving in one direction with the Superman thing, but I'm sure they will probably drag it a bit.

Also, you can tell 28 Weeks Later was a definent build off on this episode.

Tornado

10-09-2009, 11:19 PM

They're doing with Clark's character the same thing they've been doing the past eight years: gradually evolving him toward Superman.

As for the episode - excellent. I think with this week I'm going to start listing pros and cons instead of just talking in general about the show.

PROS:

A Zombified episode is something I've been hoping the show would tackle at some point... just didn't think it would take eight years
While I've been a strong proponent of the Clark/Lois relationship, it's episodes like this that make me wonder why I ever had been hoping for a Clark/Chloe relationship instead
I do like that Lois has at least developed the idea in her mind that Clark may be The Blur; would look kind of goofy if the thought had never crossed the mind of the future "World's Greatest Reporter"
Oliver burning his suit - never been wild about it
Clark's suit is really starting to grow on me
Zod is a badass... but we already knew that (didn't really know that about Tess though - awesome)

CONS:

Really starting to get down to my last straw with Oliver; his downward spiral doesn't seem to be going anywhere
While I thought Chloe was really underused, she's a weak point in general for the show right now and I somewhat forgive the writers for not really knowing what to do with her at the moment
Kinda hoped Clark would have asked Lois out at the end of the episode; I understand the writers probably aren't quite ready to go down that path just yet, but it's clear they're both interested and I think the fans (i.e., me) want to see it sooner rather than later
Would have been nice to see Tess again at the end of the episode

I realize I have nearly as many cons as I do pros, but my cons are relatively minor (except for the first one) and my pros were, for the most part, really hugely positive. I was a little worried about Season 9 this time last month... not so much anymore (please don't disappoint me now writers).

1. Rabid - A
2. Savior - A-
3. Metallo - A-

IanTheCool

10-09-2009, 11:25 PM

Zombies??

Tornado

10-09-2009, 11:27 PM

Yep.

Neverending

10-09-2009, 11:57 PM

We've had witches and vampires before, so it was bound to happen.

insaneMoViEgoer

10-10-2009, 02:45 AM

We've had witches and vampires before, so it was bound to happen.

And it was the best episode of the bunch.

bbf2

10-10-2009, 05:22 AM

I thought it was kinda dumb. I mean the effects and zombie fights were pretty good but it was like they said "Hey, let's make an episode with zombies!" and just kinda made a flimsy plot around that idea. The whole Zombie Apocalypse of a major US city is created and solved within a few hours by putting a bunch of blood into the rain?

I'm also getting tired of Dr. Plot Exposition knowing what everything is and how to cure it immediately. The actor himself is okay but he's just a vehicle of lazy writing. Its annoying how he sees two seconds of some guy acting crazy on a grainy security camera video and automatically knows "Oh, well, CLEARLY he became a zombie because of the heightened adrenaline morphine enzymes blah blah blah and clearly it was caused by extraterrestrials so we need to find alien DNA and release it into the atmosphere." What kind of a doctor is he, anyway? He knows everything about everything! He does chemical experiments, creates robotics, does engineering experiments, AND works in the medical hospital.

Spirited Away

10-10-2009, 08:22 AM

I'm pretty certain Luthorcorp installed biometric sensors around the mansion, and Watchtower has access to that data, so perhaps Emil was looking at that?

Dr. Emil's backstory will be revealed in time, maybe later this season, next year, or if they ever greenlight a Green Arrow/Justice League spin-off.

Stay Puft

10-10-2009, 08:57 AM

Solid episode minus the Oliver (as someone else put in on another board) Happy Hour Pt.2

seriously, I said it before and I'll say it again, how many times do we need to see Oliver in a drunken, drugged out funk, get out of it, just to get back in one again? One minute he's happy, next episode he's depressed, then happy, then depressed, I'm a hero it's my calling, I'm a loser it's my calling, I'm a hero it's my calling, I'm a loser it's my calling.

I think it's safe to say people want The Green Arrow, NOT Oliver. He's only interesting when he's positive, in charge of his destiny, and in charge of The Justice League. Pretty much when he's proactive and taking care of business, if you're not going to give us that then don't give us him at all. Christ, they've turned the J.L. into the Emo League, as they've gotten together and split up more times than necessary

other than that though, LOVED the Zombies, LOVED Zod at the end, LOVED L&C

lets hope they can keep up the solid streak they've got going so far

Spirited Away

10-10-2009, 12:04 PM

The scene where Clark was holding Zombie-Lois was one of the - if not, the - most powerful scenes the show's history. Very well crafted. "Rabid" is possibly the best filler episode in the series' history too.

Tornado

10-10-2009, 12:47 PM

^ Agreed. It's right up there if it's not the best.

Neverending

10-11-2009, 02:16 AM

I agree. I normally hate Smallville fillers. Most of my rants on Smallville in this thread have been about the filler episodes. But this one did not upset me, so it gets the title.

MasterChief117

10-13-2009, 01:29 PM

God, I love this show. hahaha

Question, how do you guys rank the seasons, if I may ask? I'm curious. I'm half way through Season 3 and I want to know whats left to come.

Tornado

10-13-2009, 10:12 PM

I'm going to include Season 9, but in that case I'm going to be under the assumption Season 9 will keep the quality of the first three episodes. That probably won't happen, but if it should it'll top the list as it does below. Personally, I think the past three episodes have been some of the best of the series.

1. Season 9
2. Season 5
3. Season 3
4. Season 8
5. Season 4 (although I'm sure people will disagree with this)
6. Season 2
7. Season 1
8. Season 6
9. Season 7

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Also, there are some very spoilerish pictures from Crossfire up at K-Site. In fact, one is highlighting something I've been waiting to see for a few years now. Can't wait!

MasterChief117

10-13-2009, 11:36 PM

Hmm, well Season 3 is up there. I really like it.

Season 3
Season 9
Season 2
Season 1
Season 8

Alien

10-14-2009, 05:46 AM

Spirited Away

10-14-2009, 08:09 AM

'Crossfire' is going to be the episode that changes everything...

Tornado

10-14-2009, 10:49 AM

What was Oliver drinking at the end of this weeks episode when he burnt his Green Arrow gear? I know alcoholic spirits are flamable but drinking that withing screwing up your face at all is really hard.

It's not that hard if you drink it a lot. You develop a taste for it. A friend of mine drinks whiskey like it's water.

FVD

10-14-2009, 07:21 PM

Also, there are some very spoilerish pictures from Crossfire up at K-Site. In fact, one is highlighting something I've been waiting to see for a few years now. Can't wait!

Oh yes me too. :D

I do firmly believe that Tom Clark and Erica Lois are destined to become one of the best on screen couples in my book. The chemistry between the two of them is just breathtaking. Been looking forward to this moment for a long long time. Damn I feel like a chick anticipating this. :redface:

Tornado

10-14-2009, 07:25 PM

^ I know what you mean.

bbf2

10-16-2009, 10:20 AM

I actually don't want Clark and Lois to get together just yet. I mean I like their onscreen chemistry (it's so much better now that she's a professional and a co-worker and not just some lazy mooch who crashes on his couch like she did in the first few seasons) but that really shouldn't happen until after he's Superman.

Tornado

10-16-2009, 10:50 AM

I would agree with you if he hadn't already adopted a second identity as The Blur.

MasterChief117

10-16-2009, 09:26 PM

The Blur idea has to die. It's incredibly annoying. Everytime someone mentions it I wanna scream it's Superman. Oh well, I guess I'm alone. :(

Still got my fingers crossed, hoping for my Batman/Bruce Wayne cameo.

Tornado

10-16-2009, 11:49 PM

^ Not going to happen. Too many issues with the film franchise. And personally, I think the idea of The Blur is still a great one. It doesn't make sense for him to be Superman yet, because while he is close he's not quite there yet. He's not ready to protect the world... but I do think he's closer than ever. Also, keep in mind that he's 22. It's not like the guy is in his late 20's, then it would make sense for people to protest it.

Haven't watched tonight's episode yet. Still hate that it airs on Friday's, as I'm almost never around at 7. I'll watch it tonight yet though, thoughts up later.

MasterChief117

10-17-2009, 12:20 AM

insaneMoViEgoer

10-17-2009, 12:24 AM

I thought tonights episode was good. Loved the opening scene and I'm glad they had a good reason for Clark hearing people's thoughts instead of just throwing it in there. Wasn't too fond of the body double they used for Lex, when the light moved across his face it didnt look much like him. Even the head shape seemed different.

Tornado

10-17-2009, 01:09 AM

He doesn't have to be called Superman yet, I just think The Blur is a bit weak. IDK. Another thing, I haven't watched the new episode but I can effectively say after watching the Season 3 finale that Michael Rosenbaum needs to come back and do an episode. As much as I think Tess is a decent character, Lex can't be touched.

I think we all feel the same way, but Rosenbaum has said several times he's not coming back. It's unfortunate and I think the show would be better with him instead of (or in addition to) Tess, but I think the show has been pretty good without him too.

As for tonight's episode, Echo...

Pros:

The Clark and Lois dynamic was again strong this week, and has certainly been the focal point of Season 9 so far
Clark's mind-reading power was gone by episode's end; I was convinced the producers wouldn't mess around with Superman canon that much... but I'll admit I was maybe a little worried
The opening scene with the bomb was neat
Clark figuring out Toyman's plan without much help was great, he's come a long way from constantly using Chloe every week

Cons:

The episode was way too busy and tried to do way too much; between the Clark/Lois dynamic, the return of the Toyman, more of Oliver spiraling out of control, Clark's "new" power, etc. (it felt like multiple singular ideas combined into one episode, which doesn't always work that well on this show)
Chloe again this week had very little to do - I used to be a huge fan of the character, but now I'm getting kinda anxious for her departure at the end of the season (Mack's contract is up and she's not re-signing)
Really sick of Oliver being depressed
Tess seemed really out of character; I couldn't quite pin-point my problem exactly but it didn't feel right
And finally, and worst of all, really wasn't a fan of the context of Clark and Lois's "date"; much would have preferred something more... real, on their first attempt

I thought it was definitely the weakest episode of the season so far, but I'll still give it a... B-.

1. Rabid - A
2. Savior - A-
3. Metallo - A-
4. Echo - B-

Tornado

10-17-2009, 01:12 AM

Also, next week looks kinda dumb. But then it looks like smooth sailing up through the break going by the spoilers at K-Site.

MasterChief117

10-17-2009, 01:15 AM

Yeah, I read that article with Michael and I was rather disapointed. He said he would do an episode or something but he would never return as a main cast member. I find that disapointing. Superman's nemesis is Lex Luthor, that's like Batman with Joker. It just feels weird.

This season looks like it's doing the reverse hump that Season 8 had. Season 8 started really weak minus Odyssey and then went into a string of great episodes. Season 9 started real strong in the first 3 episodes and looks Echo might be the collapse. Hopefully the Spoilers on the K-Site prove to be the truth.

Tornado

10-17-2009, 01:20 AM

Yeah, I read that article with Michael and I was rather disapointed. He said he would do an episode or something but he would never return as a main cast member. I find that disapointing. Superman's nemesis is Lex Luthor, that's like Batman with Joker. It just feels weird.

That's old. He's not coming back. At all. I think at this point even if they threw a bunch of money at him and let him wear a bald cap instead of shaving his head I don't think he'd come back. I had kind of been holding out hope when his pilot wasn't picked up this year, but it didn't make a difference. He has zero interest in being on the show again.

MasterChief117

10-17-2009, 01:24 AM

Wow, I don't understand how people can be like that. Turn away from something that provided their fame and wealth. Oh well.

That's depressing to be honest. I really and I stressed really liked him. I think my entire family loves his character.

It's funny, in Season 3 Clark is more of a bad guy by lying to Lex than Lex being mischevious and all.

Also, I must say. I watched the first season of this show back when it first came on and stopped. Never gave it a single ounce of love. And well, Tornado you put me back into the show. If I had like a gigantic crown, I'd give it to you man. This show's awesome. My entire family watches it. Hell, when we finish a season we go on Amazon and buy the next one. haha

Spirited Away

10-17-2009, 01:59 AM

Rosenbaum isn't coming back, so I think the producers should go ahead and re-cast the role. They can write in any differences he has in physical appearance and personality.

MasterChief117

10-17-2009, 02:03 AM

^^ That might be something that they do. They can't have the Lex Luthor role vacant for the rest of the show. That's just not right.

Spirited Away

10-17-2009, 02:14 AM

To be honest, for a split second I thought they had re-cast him and I cheered, until I re-played the sequence and realised it was meant to be Oliver's reflection.

bbf2

10-17-2009, 06:27 AM

I had a feeling they might do something where they take Lex's memories/mind and put it in a different body. Lex has done that a few times in the comics (usually its a clone of himself though)

Tornado

10-17-2009, 10:21 AM

Also, I must say. I watched the first season of this show back when it first came on and stopped. Never gave it a single ounce of love. And well, Tornado you put me back into the show. If I had like a gigantic crown, I'd give it to you man. This show's awesome. My entire family watches it. Hell, when we finish a season we go on Amazon and buy the next one. haha

You're very welcome. :)

Rosenbaum isn't coming back, so I think the producers should go ahead and re-cast the role. They can write in any differences he has in physical appearance and personality.

I had a feeling they might do something where they take Lex's memories/mind and put it in a different body. Lex has done that a few times in the comics (usually its a clone of himself though)

Yeah, I'm of the same opinion. How about... Billy Zane?

Spirited Away

10-17-2009, 01:15 PM

Yeah, would be good choice.

The key thing though is Lex should only return for a few episodes stint or something, definitely not as a lead character. Also, that way the writers can get someone pretty high-profile (at least in the cult community) to guest star.

MasterChief117

10-17-2009, 03:04 PM

Alright, just watched Echo and was really not happy with the episode at all. I found myself some what liking the mind reading power even though it went against the Superman universe, oh well.

Pros:

-Clark and Lois is really getting interesting. However I can start to see the Ross and Rachel pull.
-ED, TW and JH are the only ones holding this show up.
-Decent dialogue scenes.

Cons:
-Ollie doesn't look like he's getting any better.
-Chloe and Tess character are complete wastes.
-The Toy Man, The Calendar Man of the Superman Universe for sure.

Savior - B+
Metallo - B+
Rabid - A
Echo - B-

Neverending

10-17-2009, 03:08 PM

Good news, ya'll. Last night's episode got the highest ratings this season so far! It got 2.62 million viewers. Here's how the other episodes did:

Savior - 2.50 million viewers
Metallo - 2.39 million viewers
Rabid - 2.30 million viewers

Tornado

10-17-2009, 09:00 PM

http://movies.ign.com/articles/103/1036235p1.html

Really curious to see who they cast as Superman (before people get really excited, it's for a cameo in the Green Lantern film, not a new Superman film).

FVD

10-17-2009, 10:22 PM

^ I'd still be happy if they continued to use Routh. He did the best with what he worked with on the day(s).

Neverending

10-18-2009, 01:56 AM

Yeah, if it's just a cameo then get Brandon Routh.

Tornado

10-19-2009, 09:34 PM

Some excellent, excellent news was revealed about the upcoming episode Society:

IGN Reveals Two Justice Society Members; Fancast's Matt Mitovich Confirms Third

IGN.com and Matt Mitovich at Fancast.com have revealed the DC Comics heroes who will be appearing in the upcoming Justice Society episode of Smallville.

Stargate SG:1 actor Michael Shanks will be playing Carter Hall, aka, Hawkman. Yes, HAWKMAN is going to be on Smallville!!!!

Playing another Society member - Doctor Fate, solving the "helmet" clue - will be actor Brent Stait.

Now, Matt Mitovich at Fancast.com has revealed exclusively that Britt Irvin of Aliens In America fame will be playing Courtney Whitmore, aka Stargirl.

Stay tuned for more news when and if it becomes available.

insaneMoViEgoer

10-20-2009, 12:19 AM

I wonder how they're going to pull off Hawkman

Tornado

10-20-2009, 01:21 AM

Yeah. I'm really glad they got those three, but I have to wonder how ^ is going to turn out on the Smallville budget.

Alien

10-20-2009, 08:27 AM

I wonder how they're going to pull off Hawkman
Somehow I think they'll go wingless and have a mcguffin as to why.

Tornado

10-20-2009, 08:47 AM

Kinda takes away the entire point of the character if they do that. That'd be like Oliver without his bow, Impulse without speed, an Aquaman who can't swim, etc.

Alien

10-20-2009, 09:53 AM

Or Cyborg who is just a guy with no metal...

FVD

10-21-2009, 03:41 AM

Awesome. Can't wait for that episode. Can't wait to see Dr. Fate (hey that rhymes).. :cool:

Tornado

10-21-2009, 06:25 PM

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/21/smallville-actor-arrested-in-big-time-drug-deal/

lol. Don't worry, it's nobody still on the show.

MasterChief117

10-21-2009, 09:25 PM

So glad it wasn't Tom Welling or someone currently on the show. When I turned on my IE I almost crapped myself when I saw "Major Smallville Actor Busted". Psh, so relieved.

MasterChief117

10-21-2009, 09:29 PM

Just read Michael Shanks as Hawkman, probably the best news I've heard in some time.

Alien

10-22-2009, 07:43 AM

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/21/smallville-actor-arrested-in-big-time-drug-deal/

lol. Don't worry, it's nobody still on the show.
Pete!:mad:

Tornado

10-23-2009, 09:09 AM

Awesome news:

Geoff Johns Confirms "Society" Will Be A 2-Parter
"Society" writer Geoff Johns has confirmed earlier rumors that "Society" will be told in two parts - and one of those two parts will be directed by Tom Welling.

On Twitter tonight, Geoff confirmed that "Society" "is actually an insane DCU infused two-part epic."

He says that Part I is called "Society" and Part II is called "Legends." Glen Winter is still on board to direct "Society" and Tom Welling is directing "Legends." "They both brought so much to Legion," he says.

Johns credits executive producers Brian Peterson and Kelly Souders with making this happen. "They wanted it to be HUGE and they wanted the guest characters done right."

I can't wait.

Neverending

10-23-2009, 09:09 PM

Even though Tornado has been badmouthing tonight's episode, it actually turned out pretty good.

Spirited Away

10-23-2009, 09:44 PM

Agreed. The ending was neat, but my god, next week! :D :D :D

Tornado

10-24-2009, 12:29 AM

I don't think I've been bad-mouthing tonight's episode at all. Or, you've just got a very loose definition of the word. ;)

Either way, I thought it was alright. The Clois and final scene were great, but everything else was hit or miss for me. I'll do a pros/cons list tomorrow.

bbf2

10-24-2009, 05:08 AM

"Hey Chloe, thanks for spending thousands and thousands of dollars hiring actors and creating elaborate sets in order to teach me a lesson by hiring an unstable assassin, drugging me, burying me alive, sicking a rabid dog on me, making me think I'm being shot at, beating me up, tasering me, making me think I'm going to be charged for murder and then thinking I'm broke, and kidnapping your cousin. It was all worth it because I learned that I wouldn't let a woman burn to death in a fire, so I'm totally changed now."

Also, that guy who played Zod needs to have a talk with his agent, he's in the credits as a series regular but we're five episodes in and so far he's only been in four scenes (three of which were in the premiere).

Tornado

10-24-2009, 09:41 AM

Part of me 100% completely agrees with your thoughts on Zod, but the the other part is opposed to too much Zod this year. Once Zod actually finds out who Clark is, he's going to try and recruit him (probably), and when Clark opposes him they'll fight. The more Zod we get now, the quicker that inevitable fight is going to arrive. I like the pace they're moving at with Zod right now, making him more of a figure in the shadows (with Metallo and the zombie virus.... although I guess that wasn't really Zod) than anything else.

But yeah, Chloe has almost no purpose on this show anymore.

RingWraith2k4

10-24-2009, 04:27 PM

Been so busy this month, but I finally watched the last 3 episodes on my DVR last night. I must say that I'm really enjoying the Clark/Lois scenes the most by far.

I don't care too much for the whole Oliver storyline so far, but I hope it better. And I agree with most here that Chloe right now is somewhat useless and pointless.

I do like the sense of anger and jealously that Chloe shows when she realizes Clark and Lois working together and having shown interest in each other more than ever. Poor Chloe.

MasterChief117

10-24-2009, 06:03 PM

Just watched the new episode. I like the turn around. It started extremely slow and ended I thought really well. I still think that Chloe, Tess and Zod are complete waste of time.

MasterChief117

10-24-2009, 06:15 PM

RingWraith2k4

10-24-2009, 08:20 PM

I did this for Smallville. In my rush to find a good Superman picture to color I found this designed by Alex Ross. Basically it's Tom Welling in a Superman outfit supporting a Smallville Superman movie. Sadly this was made back in 2004. There is another creation of it and I plan on using it. I hope you guys like what I did to it.

*Also, I couldn't get Tom Welling's face right so the color is a bit off. I'm aware of this, just didn't have the patience to fix it.

Before:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g275/SnakeEyesElite/TomWelling.jpg

After:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g275/SnakeEyesElite/SupermanTW.jpg

I think the face looks fine. It's the body that just doesn't match the face. it's a young/in his prime Tom Welling face with a "50 year old muscular body". If there's a way for you to alter the body and make it look younger, then I think it'll be perfect.

Other than that, great job.

MasterChief117

10-24-2009, 09:10 PM

Like I told Moviebuff801 earlier, this is done by Alex Ross. While being a great and pretty accurate facial and body designer his one huge asset is his biggest flaw. Ross uses actual models to draw from. Hence why the faces are so perfect and the bodies are the way they are. It's why they come out so realistic with a hint of comic book design. It's clear that Alex Ross just put Tom's face on this body. There is another one with Tom Welling gravitating above Metropolis. I was going to do it but it will probably take a while to do.

MasterChief117

10-24-2009, 09:16 PM

Here is the other one I'll be using. This is a bit more of Tom Welling size. Still not true to actual size but whatever. The actual copy I'll be using is a lot bigger. Just showing it to you guys so you can get a general idea.

http://screenrant.com/images/tomwellingsupes1-thumb.jpg

RingWraith2k4

10-25-2009, 12:05 AM

MasterChief117

10-25-2009, 12:11 AM

It's not a hoodie, it really looks like it but it looks like Superman is grabbing the back side of his cape.

MasterChief117

10-25-2009, 12:48 AM

RingWraith2k4

10-25-2009, 01:46 AM

Season 4 arrived in the mail today. Watched the first two episodes. Not really impressed with Lana's character and there is a clear break between Clark and Lex. I think it's still pretty solid, just very slow. Smallville has probably emerged onto my Top 5 list. It's very addicting, even when it's bad.

Oh man, I remember getting the first couple of seasons and watching all of them straight through. I look back at early episodes now and it's amazing how different the early seasons were compared to the current season.

Anyhoo, enjoy it while you can.

Tornado

10-25-2009, 10:16 AM

ROULETTE

Pros:

The Clois scenes in the first half of the episode were great
Glad to see Oliver finally get past his depression... I just hope it sticks this time
Going along with that, the final scene between Clark and Oliver was pretty cool

Cons:

The whole episode felt very contrived, both from a plot and production standpoint; obviously it was as Chloe was behind it, but something about it just didn't sit well with me
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Chloe has virtually no purpose on this show anymore
No Zod again this week; I know I made a justification for his lack of presence earlier in this thread, but that doesn't mean I don't want to ever see him again
I'm glad Oliver is "back," but I'm always frustrated by episodes that don't focus much on Clark

1. Rabid - A
2. Savior - A-
3. Metallo - A-
4. Echo - B-
5. Roulette - C

Alien

10-25-2009, 11:01 AM

Tornado

10-25-2009, 11:56 AM

She's always been a 'crazy super hacker,' long before Brainiac infected her.

RingWraith2k4

10-25-2009, 12:12 PM

I liked that Clark wasn't the main focus in the episode.

Chloe is a wee bit pointless but still seems to have her Brainiac super powers, she's still a crazy super hacker. Where did she get the resources to pull off this episode? Does she even have a job anymore?

Yeah the whole Chloe thing in this episode made no sense to me at all. In fact, I predict she'll be killed off this season.

Alien

10-25-2009, 12:20 PM

She's always been a 'crazy super hacker,' long before Brainiac infected her.
She's always been good with computers but her hacking powers get more and more far fetched every season. Her Watchtower has holograms and the power to use satellite imagery to find all of the Kandor people?

Tornado

10-25-2009, 03:10 PM

Sure, and this is the first time she's been in a situation in which she could afford that kind of technology. She has demonstrated a ridiculous amount of computer technology, and she has made that pretty clear from the first couple of seasons on. I don't think it's far-fetched at all.

bbf2

10-25-2009, 03:47 PM

She's always been good with computers but her hacking powers get more and more far fetched every season. Her Watchtower has holograms and the power to use satellite imagery to find all of the Kandor people?

Why not? She didn't buy it herself, it's supplied by Queen Industries, and Oliver spared no expense since he wanted to use it to help save the world.

Alien

10-25-2009, 04:53 PM

So does she actually work for Oliver?

Tornado

10-25-2009, 05:23 PM

Yep.

Alien

10-25-2009, 07:46 PM

Does she work for Queen Tec or Luthor Corp or what? What does she put as job title on her tax returns? I can't see Watchtower for Vigilantes would work.

Tornado

10-25-2009, 07:48 PM

She probably just gets paid under the table. I don't think it's a big deal, Alien. ;)

Alien

10-25-2009, 07:58 PM

But it is, they've had it on the show that the goverment went after her for being a hacker. Now she's a hacker with no job and a s*** load of money?

Tornado

10-25-2009, 08:01 PM

The government didn't go after her, Lex had the government go after her. I assume they're all wanted by the police/government, but they're just good at evading them.

And no, it's not a big deal. ;)

Alien

10-25-2009, 08:03 PM

Lex sent the government after her and someone get them off her back again but I bet they're still keeping an eye on her.

bbf2

10-26-2009, 02:11 AM

Lex sent the government after her and someone get them off her back again but I bet they're still keeping an eye on her.

I don't think the show puts that much thought into it, it just kinda does things however it feels like for the sake of the narrative and doesn't get too caught up on details and every bit of continuity. If they want a storyline in the future that would be helped by Chloe having another job or being monitored by the police they'll do it, if not it won't get mentioned and they won't think about it.

Stay Puft

10-26-2009, 09:04 AM

I don't think the show puts that much thought into it, it just kinda does things however it feels like for the sake of the narrative and doesn't get too caught up on details and every bit of continuity. If they want a storyline in the future that would be helped by Chloe having another job or being monitored by the police they'll do it, if not it won't get mentioned and they won't think about it.

exactly, the writers of Smallville don't give a crap about what took place in previous episodes. Continuity means ABSOLUTE JACK **** to them and season 9 has proved this on a couple of occassions already. Lois fighting crime with The Blur? Oliver's parents murdered when he was 5? ****, season 7 messed up continuity when they brought in Veritas

the show has no shame

Alien

10-26-2009, 09:30 AM

exactly, the writers of Smallville don't give a crap about what took place in previous episodes. Continuity means ABSOLUTE JACK **** to them and season 9 has proved this on a couple of occassions already. Lois fighting crime with The Blur? Oliver's parents murdered when he was 5? ****, season 7 messed up continuity when they brought in Veritas

the show has no shame
Has he said previously when they died?

Tornado

10-26-2009, 09:37 AM

Has he said previously when they died?

We saw him playing with Lex and Jason during Veritas meetings, he was definitely older than 5 at that point.

Stay Puft

10-26-2009, 09:40 AM

the writing has been so sloppy this season, one just doesn't know anymore

Smallville :facepalm: x 100,000

Alien

10-26-2009, 09:50 AM

We saw him playing with Lex and Jason during Veritas meetings, he was definitely older than 5 at that point.
Yeah I remember that now. I'm surprised Bruce Wayne wasn't playing with them as a billionaires son.

insaneMoViEgoer

10-26-2009, 07:10 PM

Another guest star revealed for Society (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/10/26/smallville-scoop-martian-manhunter-returns/).

Hopefully he will he get his power back in the two episodes

Tornado

10-27-2009, 05:13 PM

Pretty spoiler-ish images from Kandor have gone up at K-Site. The episode should be pretty epic if the images are fairly representative of what's to come.

Neverending

10-30-2009, 08:30 PM

I was so caught up on last minute Halloween stuff that I completely forgot about Smallville. Just when I was getting used to the show being on Friday's I'm mad about it again.

Someone let me know if the episode was any good. And, yeah, I could watch the last 30 minutes but I dislike watching things halfway through.

MasterChief117

10-30-2009, 08:36 PM

I forgot about it as well, thank god for DVR. Oh and Torn, LOVE the Avy.

Tornado

10-30-2009, 09:17 PM

CROSSFIRE

The Pros

The kiss; on the one hand it feels like I've been waiting far too long, but on the other it also feels like they're rushing it. Either way, I've been itching for full-fledged Clois for several years now. What can I say? I'm a shipper.
The Clois in general was great and actually really funny; I was a little worried about this episode with the whole blind date and "Good Morning Metropolis" angles, but it turned out really well
Clark deflecting and catching the bullets; it's one of the things I like the most about Clark right now - he is calm, collected, and confident at all times, no more worrying all the time about things he knows he can prevent
Speedy is a character I wasn't really interested in seeing, but at least the producers made her interesting; if we have to have her, she could be worse
The introduction of Cat Grant; I suspect we probably won't ever see her again, but I'm always glad to see new characters from the mythos show up, even if it is in limited capacity
Oliver is back to being an interesting character; glad his dark side seems to be behind him... for now
The trailer for next week looks epic, can't wait!

The Cons

How did Zod become a CEO so quickly? Was it a Luthorcorp subsidiary or something?
I always hate when people disappear behind things as Tess did at the end of the episode, especially when she has no superpowers herself and in reality was probably a foot off screen
Chloe's hacking match with Stuart. Seriously? That's the best thing they could come up with for Chloe to do? Come on

Quite honestly, I'm very pleased with Season 9 thus far. The spoilers for the next 5-6 episodes all sound promising too. No really legitimate complaints about the season yet, other than the weak writing for Chloe. But I don't fault them much for that as she hasn't been as interesting in my opinion since she was fired from the DP in Season 7.

1. Rabid - A
2. Savior - A
3. Metallo - A-
4. Crossfire - B+
5. Echo - B-
6. Roulette - C

-----------------

Thanks MC.

Neverending

10-30-2009, 09:18 PM

Torn, LOVE the Avy.

You gotta admire a 30-year-old who acts like a 10-year-old. Oh, wait. He's not 30 on the show. ;)

Neverending

10-30-2009, 09:20 PM

The introduction of Cat Grant;

:eek::eek::eek:

Tornado

10-30-2009, 09:21 PM

Yeah. It was really minor; in fact, it was so minor that non-fans of the mythos probably would just assume she was some random woman.

MasterChief117

10-30-2009, 09:28 PM

I need to watch this, kinda excited. Tornado's review got me pumped.

Also, still going through Season 4 on Smallville. I just got done with Run it was a great episode.

Tornado

10-30-2009, 09:39 PM

Yeah, Run is a classic. For all the criticism toward Season 4, there are a lot of great episodes in there IMO: Crusade, Run, Transference, Jinx, Scare, Pariah, Recruit, Onyx, Blank, and Commencement off the top of my head.

MasterChief117

10-30-2009, 09:42 PM

Am I correct on this but the kid that plays(damnit, can't think of his name but he is 'The Flash' of the JLA on Smallville) is it the same kid that plays Bart here?

Tornado

10-30-2009, 09:45 PM

I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if the kid in Run is the same kid in Doomsday? If so, then yes. Kyle Gallner plays Impulse/Bart Allen in every appearance on the show.

MasterChief117

10-30-2009, 09:47 PM

Okay, I'm surprised you understood what I was saying. I thought it was, not completely sure.

Also, anyone else in the earlier season want to slap the **** out of Clark for not telling Lex his secret. I blame him mostly for Lex's demise. hahaha

Tornado

10-30-2009, 09:53 PM

MasterChief117

10-30-2009, 09:54 PM

I blame Clark somewhat for Lex's fall, but Lex was on that path long before he met Clark. I view his friendship with Clark as something of a break in the road. Now, if we're talking about Lex's jealousy toward Clark, then yeah I think that definitely didn't help his case. But I don't really think Clark keeping his secret away from Lex is what made him push his father out the window.

Yeah, thats what I meant. Oh, another thing I don't like in Season 4 is Lana and the Assistant Coach, definently not clicking. I like the Coach with Clark and the whole Clark as QB but Lana's character has rubbed me raw. I really like Chloe and Lois now, really fun characters.

Tornado

10-30-2009, 09:56 PM

I disliked Lana for most of the series after Season 1, so you definitely won't get any argument from me there.

MasterChief117

10-30-2009, 09:58 PM

Yeah, it seems every scene shes in shes making out with someone and dragging down the plot. It becomes rather annoying.

Again, got to thank you for getting me into this series. A year ago this show could have sucked my soles. Now I can't end a day without watching atleast an episode.

Tornado

10-30-2009, 10:12 PM

I'm just glad you like it. I've managed to convert some of my friends here too. I think most people would like it if they would just give it a chance.

MasterChief117

10-30-2009, 10:14 PM

Yeah, I really like the earlier season, a lot more than the seasons on now. I like the seasons on now they just for some reason come off cheesy, more so than the earlier ones.

The only real problem I have with Smallville is the 'fast travel' between Metropolis and Smallville and then everyone getting Clark's powers. It's kinda off putting for me.

Tornado

10-30-2009, 10:35 PM

Oh, I think quite the opposite. I think if anything, the first half of the series (Seasons 1-4, the high school years) was the "cheesy" half.

What do you mean by everyone getting Clark's powers? That's only happened like... 6 times out of the entire 180 episode series.

MasterChief117

10-30-2009, 10:44 PM

Well that one time with the electricity, that was really annoying. I can't think of the other time. Oh and when Johnathan got them.

MasterChief117

10-30-2009, 11:33 PM

Something to drop off here. Michael Rosenbaum would make a perfect Agent 47. Screw Timothy Olyphant.

Spirited Away

10-31-2009, 01:59 AM

I thought the whole episode was stellar, and definitely can't wait to see how they progress all the different storylines further. Usually there's one really awful storyline, but from the spoilers we do know, that's not the case this season (at least up to Episode 14).

Mia was well cast, as is Stuart, who I can definitely see joining Watchtower, possibly as Chloe's successor. Tess played delicate thorn very well too, but of course, the best parts were the rescue, and Clois. :D

Anybody criticising this show needs a smack in the face...

bbf2

10-31-2009, 09:01 AM

They might as well call this show "The Adventures of Superman and the Green Arrow" (except Superman can't fly and isn't directly called Superman).

Alien

10-31-2009, 12:30 PM

Best avvy for a long time, Tron. I'm lovin it.

Tornado

10-31-2009, 01:09 PM

They might as well call this show "The Adventures of Superman and the Green Arrow" (except Superman can't fly and isn't directly called Superman).

It's unfortunate really, because it seems like the producers really would have rather introduced Bruce Wayne than Oliver back in Season 6. I think the Clark/Bruce dynamic that would have existed had they gotten the rights would be a lot more interesting/better than the Clark/Ollie dynamic they do have.

MasterChief117

10-31-2009, 01:22 PM

If they ever introduced Bruce Wayne or had him previously on the show, this show would have been the best on tv. I can't imagine if they did it right, it would be so great. As much as I love Oliver and the Green Arrow character, he just doesn't work well off Superman/Clark. It's always been that same way in the comics. I just hope things go out right where we will see Batman. It's doubtful but you never know. When it was asked at Comic Con it was never a No, it was just ignored.

Tornado

10-31-2009, 01:57 PM

It was ignored because they're asked that 100 times every year. Bruce will not be appearing on the show while there is a Batman film franchise going on. Smallville will probably end with this season or the next; the third Bat-film won't be out by the end of Season 10 so I just don't see it happening. I'd love to see him show up in an episode near the end of the final season, but I gave up that hope a long time ago.

MasterChief117

10-31-2009, 01:59 PM

For shat's and gaggles who do you guys think would make a great tv Batman?

Tornado

10-31-2009, 02:14 PM

Henry Cavill:

http://www.mimifroufrou.com/scentedsalamander/images/Henry-Cavill-Dunhill-Launch4.jpg

He was damn close to playing the character in the film franchise, not to mention Superman and James Bond. I think he'd be great for a/the role on the show.

MasterChief117

10-31-2009, 02:18 PM

Wow, good choice.

Spirited Away

11-01-2009, 12:59 AM

We'll probably never see Batman on the show, and same goes for Green Lantern, The Flash and Wonder Woman (and their immediate nemeses), but I think every other character is okay.

I personally can't really complain about Justin Hartley's expanded screentime, as one of my biggest complaints for last season was they didn't really give him anything juicy to work with (he's a good actor imo). Now they're fleshing his entire story out. Yes, he's a bit like Batman, but I don't care. Green Arrow is cooler than Batman.

And for people complaining that the series is taking its time in getting to the Kandorian storyline, and Chloe's upcoming arc, they've completely restructured how the series tells it stories. It's now deeply serialised, and it's working in the show's favour, as the ratings are improving week-on-week.

During the first mid-season break, I really hope the CW does high-profile repeats marathons throughout December and January.

Stay Puft

11-01-2009, 09:15 AM

Finally Sunday has arrived, for those of us in Chicago......11 hours and counting....definitley pumped to see how Smallville treats Speedy. Can't wait

Tornado

11-01-2009, 10:11 AM

You waited? Personally, I would have just downloaded it.

Stay Puft

11-01-2009, 10:24 AM

all I have is Limewire, don't like downloading episodes using that because the audio is never synced up with the picture. Don't know where else to go to download full episodes for free, so yea, I waited. 2 days, not much

hopefully it's a good one and worth the wait

MasterChief117

11-01-2009, 05:31 PM

Just watched the latest. Pretty good episode for sure. I loved the saving scene with Clark. The entire talk show thing was hilarious. And Erica Durance was hot as all get out.

Alien

11-02-2009, 06:22 AM

I really liked Speedy. At first I thought it was Tess sparing with Zod's army and I was kinda confused when she had met back up with them. Then I got a good look at her and saw she wasn't Tess.

Also Zod as a CEO, was that a lie or has he somehow hoped up the industrial ladder faster than faster than a speeding bullet?

Stay Puft

11-02-2009, 09:17 AM

yea, my buddy thought it was Tess at first also, from the angle they were shotting the scene it did resemble her greatly until you saw the actress in the light outside.

loved the episode, solid throughout and I will be watching it again in a few moment. Speedy was done properly, loved how they had her in her colors of red and yellow. Can't wait to see how they do her costume

insaneMoViEgoer

11-02-2009, 03:55 PM

Will we be seeing some red and blue by seasons end?

http://tvguidemagazine.com/kecks-exclusives/ask-keck-3048.html

Tornado

11-02-2009, 05:01 PM

Sounds awesome. They must have really gotten through to Welling about his lack of interest in wearing the Super duds.

MasterChief117

11-02-2009, 05:03 PM

Yeah, that sounds great. That January episode sounds like something out of a dream. I can't wait!

FVD

11-03-2009, 05:53 PM

Thought the Crossfire episode was very good. Agreed the Talk Show aspect was a good laugh. And yes that moment we've all been waiting for put a smile to my face. Can't wait for more...

So Speedy is a chick huh? I ain't complaining. It's good that Oliver has something to work towards. It will be bad if something intimate comes between the two I suppose...

Neverending

11-06-2009, 08:54 PM

MasterChief117

11-06-2009, 11:45 PM

Tonights episode was okay. I was kinda disapointed at times, it got a bit better but not the episode I was looking for after Lois and Clark kissed. IDK, I wish it was a better episode. Maybe middle of the episodes of this year.

Darth Maul

11-07-2009, 01:14 AM

Wonderful epiode tonight, I thought there were a lot of great moments and some things are now set in motion. Can't wait to see where they go from here, if I were to say the cash money moment, then it would be towards the end where clark has his moment with his padre.

Tornado

11-07-2009, 01:26 AM

Okay. Tornado. What's going on? I missed last week's episode. And tonight I intended to watch, but when I arrived home I took a nap and overslept. Luckily I fell asleep with the TV on, so when I awoke, Smallville, was on. So, what's going on with this Jor-El thing? I'm extremely confused. Give me a recap. Thank you.

No problem bud.

It was revealed that, as some on here suspected/guessed at, the Kandorians on Earth are clones of their true selves who died on Krypton. Immediately before a battle set 20 years before the extinction of the planet, blood samples were taken of all of the Kandorians who later turned up on Earth. Jor-El later took those samples, one from Zod, and one from himself (which he was forced into doing by the same Council seen in Superman: The Movie - excellent reference) and put them in the Orb. He also used blue Kryptonite to remove the powers from the Kandorians' blood in the Orb, so that when they showed up on Earth they would remain powerless despite being under a yellow sun. The original bodies went on to live their lives and die on Krypton.

Jor-El made his way to Smallville to apparently check out some green-ish ring (which the importance of was not revealed during the episode), and found out from Chloe he had a son on the planet. Tess had her men storm the farm and capture Jor-El, who she then forced to wear the 'Blur' shirt to try and convince Zod that Jor-El is the Blur to take away suspicion from his son. Zod and his men captured Jor-El, beat him, and apparently inflicted some fatal wound that ultimately killed him in Clark's arms.

Tornado

11-07-2009, 01:42 AM

KANDOR

Pros:

Julian Sands as Jor-El; wasn't wild about the casting initially as he doesn't look a thing like Tom (and we know the two are supposed to greatly resemble each other as show in Season 3's Relic, but I thought he did a magnificent job
Everything on Krypton was fantastic - Kandor's destruction, the Council and their judgment of Jor-El (awesome call-back to the film franchise), and Jor-El and Zod as the Orb was created - all great
Callum Blue was once again given enough to show his acting chops; I couldn't imagine a better actor for Zod on the show over him
Chloe and Tess actually factored into the story line!
Loved the ending with Zod realizing who Clark is - anxious to see how/if it plays out in the next couple of weeks
Really beautiful cinematography and FX this week, but that honestly isn't really a big change from weeks in the past; this season in general has been a big turn-around in my opinion in terms of those topics (I especially loved seeing the field adjacent to the Kent farm again)

Cons:

Very Clark-lite, even though what we got was tremendous I would have liked to have seen more interaction between him and Jor-El
No Lois - no real spot for her in the story, but I always miss her when she's gone

Overall I'd say it's definitely one of the better episodes of the season. I always end up eating these words so I hope the show proves me wrong this year, but Season 9 is in my opinion on pace to be the best of the bunch.

1. Rabid - A
2. Savior - A
3. Kandor - A
4. Metallo - A-
5. Crossfire - B+
6. Echo - B-
7. Roulette - C

Spirited Away

11-07-2009, 02:00 AM

Agree with everything Tornado said, but would like to add:

- liked Clark and Oliver working together
- liked how it answered many questions, but also set up the rest of the season
- though I found the pace a bit too quick, ideally could have done with another episode with Jor-El
- found the bit where Clark pushes Tess a bit awkward, especially after this whole Rihanna/Chris Brown thing in the press

Hats off to the producers for introducing the green key; it makes perfect sense. The grey one enables teleportation, the green one enables time-travel.

Tornado

11-07-2009, 11:16 AM

I'm curious to see what the function of the green key actually is.

Spirited Away

11-07-2009, 12:35 PM

I genuinely think it's time-travel, and how Lois and Alia travelled back to 2009 in 'Saviour'.

And Smallville's ratings increased last night to 2.76M viewers, now making it the CW's third biggest series, and bigger than One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, Supernatural, 90210 and Melrose Place. Despite being on a Friday.

Their plan obviously worked. Smallville is a bona fide hit. Season 10 is in the bag.

Tornado

11-07-2009, 01:27 PM

Was anybody else a little annoyed with how much of the continuity was changed last night? I forgot to talk about it in my pros/cons list, but there were a lot of changes:

Jor-El looked like he was in his 50's despite being on Earth five years beforehand (1966 here, 1961 in Season 3's Relic) and looking like Tom Welling, at most Jor-El should have been in his 30's
The Stones of Power were apparently created in 1966 even though it was mentioned in Season 4 that people on Earth had been looking for them for centuries; the idea that Season 4 presented was that whoever made the drawings in the Kawatche caves also brought the Stones and hid them - not so according to Kandor
Season 7's Quest made hints that the Orb had been around since World War II at least, even though we now know it was made in 1966
If Kandor was destroyed exactly 20 years before the destruction of Krypton itself, then Clark would actually be 23 right now - not the 22 we have assumed him to be (his birthday is in May - in Season 7's Apocalypse, Lois took him out for a drink citing, "We're legal now," - he turned 21 right around that time) as that would have put his birth in 1986, or possibly before (instead of the 1987 we assumed it to be)

Part of me is a little frustrated with they've chosen to practically ignore all of the Native American/Kawatche stuff they chose to run with in the first half of the series, but their changes have been more in line with the Superman canon so I guess I'm not that irritated with it.

MasterChief117

11-07-2009, 01:29 PM

Yeah, last night's episode was kinda annoying to me. I wasn't a big fan of it at all. I mean it was entertaining but not really the episode I was looking for after the Lois and Clark kiss. I did absolutely love Kandor's Mushroom cloud. That was epic as hell.

Tornado

11-07-2009, 01:53 PM

Well, I still loved the episode but I just wish they'd pick a continuity and stick with it. This isn't the first time they've chosen to re-write several of the key aspects of the show.

RingWraith2k4

11-07-2009, 02:03 PM

I am really enjoying this season so far. Tornado I agree with you that they should stick with a continuity more.
Personally though, I never did liked the "Kawatche Cave" stuff during the first half of the series. So it really doesn't bother me too much that they practically ignored it.

Darth Maul

11-07-2009, 04:04 PM

Things are looking bright for the season so far..

Neverending

11-07-2009, 06:16 PM

The original bodies went on to live their lives and die on Krypton.

Except for Zod whose in the Phantom Zone.

Jor-El made his way to Smallville

The clone, right?

making it the CW's third biggest series

We discussed ratings at the beginning of the season. Smallville used to be CW's #1 show. Now it's #3 under Vampire Diaries and Supernatural. So, the move to Friday was a downgrade.

Tornado

11-07-2009, 06:44 PM

Except for Zod whose in the Phantom Zone.

Correct.

The clone, right?

Correct.

I am really enjoying this season so far. Tornado I agree with you that they should stick with a continuity more.
Personally though, I never did liked the "Kawatche Cave" stuff during the first half of the series. So it really doesn't bother me too much that they practically ignored it.

Oh, absolutely. The idea of a Native American story tying in with Superman always bothered me too, no doubt about it. But continuity changes, especially ones as big as those, always kind of bug me. For the record, I much prefer what they are doing now with the continuity over what they did though.

Spirited Away

11-07-2009, 10:15 PM

Part of me is a little frustrated with they've chosen to practically ignore all of the Native American/Kawatche stuff they chose to run with in the first half of the series, but their changes have been more in line with the Superman canon so I guess I'm not that irritated with it.
They haven't ignored it. I think this is where the green key comes into play.

Also, you've assumed a year on Krypton is the same as a year on Earth. That probably not be the case at all, and as we already know, Clark and Kara didn't age in their vessels when they came to Earth. So Kryptonians know how to manipulate ageing.

The destruction of Krypton could have happened hundreds of years ago.

Tornado

11-08-2009, 12:33 AM

They haven't ignored it. I think this is where the green key comes into play.

You're treating your theory as fact. Right now, where the show is currently standing, they're definitely ignoring it.

Also, you've assumed a year on Krypton is the same as a year on Earth. That probably not be the case at all, and as we already know, Clark and Kara didn't age in their vessels when they came to Earth. So Kryptonians know how to manipulate aging.

Well, Kara's aging wouldn't have been as dramatic as she wasn't a new-born when she was sent off, but Clark?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/Sv319Baby_Kal_El.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/800px-0000000000000000000000-.jpg

...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/Young_Clark.jpg

Care to try again pal? ;)

The destruction of Krypton could have happened hundreds of years ago.

They said the destruction of Kandor occurred in 1966, twenty years before the destruction of Krypton and Kal-El's departure. In the film series, if I'm not mistaken, it was a 3-year journey for Kal-El in his ship from Krypton to Earth. He showed up on Earth in 1989. The timelines match up, it's the fact that they mis-portrayed Clark's age in the show. I think you're stretching bud.

insaneMoViEgoer

11-08-2009, 01:07 AM

If you're using the movie for figuring out the timelines, Jor-El says "I will have been dead many thousands of your years" when he first speaks to Clark. So it is conceivable that all those things could have still happened in between the destruction of Kandor to the destruction of Krypton. But then again it is Smallville so they probably just retconned their own mythology again.

Tornado

11-08-2009, 01:39 AM

I'm only using the movies to fill in the gaps where we don't have information (i.e., the distance between Krypton and Earth).

And actually, I mis-spoke. I just checked the episode again, it only says 20 years before the destruction of Krypton (I was under the impression it also gave a date of 1966). But, look at it this way - we know chunks of Season 3's Relic took place in 1961. In that episode we saw a young Jor-El in Smallville. At the end of the episode, he returned to Krypton. In Kandor, we saw an inexplicably much older Jor-El (in this case, the age differences don't really matter) despite it being presumably only a few years later. Personally, I think it's fair to make the assumption that time works at least somewhat similar on both Earth and Krypton. We know Jor-El's initial trip to Smallville was a rite of passage, and that he resembled his age at the time. Because he did resemble his actual age (in the way the people of Earth resemble their own ages), one could assume that Kryptonians on Krypton age about the same way we do. Why they cast a much older man to play Jor-El is beyond me, but he did a good job so I won't complain too much.

My point is that if a young-looking Jor-El managed to come to Earth in 1961, and then go back, age, and die an older man prior to Krypton's destruction in 1986-ish (our time), I think it makes total sense that time elapses the same on both planets. And in that regard, there is no way Krypton was destroyed hundreds of years ago. It had to be right around the time I think it was - 1986 - which would give Kal-El three years to age in his ship before crashing/landing in Smallville in 1989.

Tornado

11-08-2009, 01:45 AM

I just had a bad flashback to debating the fabrics of time with Jibbs in the Lost thread. I think I need to go to bed.

Neverending

11-08-2009, 11:27 PM

Jonathan Kent was on Curb tonight...having threesomes and what not.

DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE

11-09-2009, 12:13 AM

I was a couple of Episodes behind,but finally I'm all caught up. I gotta say, I'm glad Smallville made it through all of the criticism (I've done my fair share in the past) and decided to try to get more in line w/ Superman cannon,because the result is the best season ever and finally one worthy of being based on Superman.
It still has it's own unique spin but as Clark matures you can see he's becoming more like the hero we all know and love. I hope that TV guide rumor pans out. If the suit looks good in season 10, it makes a possible big screen leap for this cast much more plausible. If Welling has possibly softened his stance about the suit maybe he's more open to playing Big Blue on the Big screen too.