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Tornado

04-08-2009, 10:53 PM

From K-Site:

Tom Welling On For Season 9... And Season 10?
UPDATED 4-8-09

Here's a juicy new rumor for Rumorville... we've heard buzz from multiple sources that Tom Welling may have signed for not just one, but TWO seasons when he recently extended his contract to do Season 9 this fall.

Now, whether Tom is signed or not, it all ultimately is up to Smallville's ratings on The CW for Season 9, as there would probably be no show if the network was not interested in it. If this rumor is true, though, it would explain why there has been very little talk of "the final season" being associated with Season 9... it also could explain why new sets are being erected when the series allegedly has only one year left.

As this is not confirmed by official sources (and likely won't be), we're keeping this on Rumorville for now.

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Ugh... you know, I love this show. I really do. But ten seasons? Really? As awesome as it would be to see the show hit 200 episodes (which it wouldn't cross with a 22-episode Season 9 - total would be 196), I just don't see where they could go with the character that they couldn't do next year. Season 9, in my opinion, should really just be setting up Clark and Lois, bring in Perry, Jimmy reverts to his "goofy" self from the comics/films, etc. I don't know what kind of strides they want to make they would need a 10th season for...

Spirited Away

04-08-2009, 11:10 PM

Season 9's plot and cast list is all up in the air at the moment (though there's a strong indication, given the spoilers about Stiletto, that it'll involve Intergang and Darkseid), so the series might become something radically different than what you expect it to be.

I personally don't see the 'Clark Kent: reporter by day, Superman by night' scenario happening, and instead the series bypasses it.

Tornado

04-09-2009, 12:08 AM

I don't really know what to think at this point. The show doesn't seem to be moving toward one specific goal at the moment, other than Clark and Doomsday fighting in the season finale. Season 9, as you said, is up in the air at the moment. I'm glad they're doing a Season 9 because I don't think they could have adequately wrapped up the series this year on Doomsday (unless they had done it the way I wrote some pages back), and the show does deserve a proper send-off.

I still don't know that I buy a Season 10. I'd watch it if they went ahead with it (and right there is why they would make it - the fans would watch), but I don't know why they would need another full two seasons to wrap up the show. At the same time though, I'll take more episodes of one of my favorite shows. BSG is over, and Lost is done next year.

RingWraith2k4

04-09-2009, 01:53 AM

Well, if no returning Lex, then the "final" main villian should be Darkseid IMO. Oh and some flight episodes would be nice too. SIGH!
I could definitely see Clark and Lois carrying the majority of the show in Season 9 as the chemistry between the two is awesome.

But we'll see how things go I guess.

JheyDC

04-09-2009, 10:39 AM

Maybe we will see him fly more in episodes if there's a Season 10.

Maybe they can get Lex and Martha back to fill some roles in the show. I'm sure I'd still watch if they turn up with 10 Seasons...

Tornado

04-09-2009, 10:58 AM

I'm a little surprised the CW would be interested in a 10th season (then again, maybe they aren't). I'm somewhat unfamiliar with the CW's schedule, but outside of Smallville and Supernatural I was under the impression it was, for the most part, a network predominantly aimed at teenage girls.

Then again, you could probably argue that Smallville has enough material to be fitting for a teenage girl. Drop the superpowers/destiny angle, and it is just like every other show on the network.

Spirited Away

04-09-2009, 11:36 AM

TW is signed on to do a Season 10 regardless of whether they decide to make one or not - WB only sign two-season contracts with its actors, that's how Allison Mack, Justin Hartley, etc. were already signed on for Season 9 before it was announced.

And although the CW is aimed at teenage girls, SV and SN are still it's biggest series, so although they don't fit in the same boxes as Gossip Girl and 90210, it doesn't matter.

Tornado

04-09-2009, 01:02 PM

Sure, but if Welling went to the head honchos and said, "I only want to do one more season," they wouldn't turn him down. We don't know for sure whether Welling signed a 1-year deal or a 2-year deal.

Neverending

04-10-2009, 01:23 AM

If they do season 10 they should re-name the show, Metropolis.

Alien

04-11-2009, 10:26 AM

Re-naming the show this late on is a bit pointless.

JheyDC

04-11-2009, 12:50 PM

I don't think they will change it though...

Tornado

04-11-2009, 12:51 PM

They're not going to change the name of the show.

Tornado

04-12-2009, 08:22 PM

Official Description for Beast (820):

DAVIS ASKS CHLOE TO LEAVE TOWN WITH HIM — Clark (Tom Welling) discovers that Davis (Sam Witwer) is still alive and confronts Chloe (Allison Mack) about protecting him. Oliver (Justin Hartley) discovers Jimmy (Aaron Ashmore) breaking into Chloe’s apartment, but things get rapidly worse after Davis jumps from the shadows and attacks both of them. Michael Rohl directed the episode written by Genevieve Sparling.

JheyDC

04-13-2009, 01:53 PM

Is this another filler? Hope it works out like the previous episodes...

Tornado

04-16-2009, 07:47 PM

Odyssey - A-
Plastique - B-
Toxic - C-
Instinct - C
Committed - A-
Prey - A
Identity - A+
Bloodline - A-
Abyss - A
Bride - A-
Legion - A+
Bulletproof - C
Power - F
Requiem - F
Infamous - B
Turbulence - B+
Hex - A-
Eternal - B-

I'm getting anxious for the season finale. It feels like this season is really dragging right now. No new episode tonight, unfortunately.

Neverending

04-16-2009, 11:00 PM

Is this another filler?

Nope. The filler is the upcoming Lois Lane one. Everything after that season finale stuff.

JheyDC

04-17-2009, 11:05 AM

That's cool then..can't complain with how the show is going so far...

Spirited Away

04-17-2009, 07:00 PM

Nope. The filler is the upcoming Lois Lane one. Everything after that season finale stuff.
It's not really filler. Stiletto debuts new villains Intergang, who'll likely be a major part of next season, especially if it goes down the Darkseid route.

Spirited Away

04-17-2009, 07:04 PM

Funny new clip from Stiletto:

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Neverending

04-18-2009, 01:23 AM

Funny new clip from Stiletto:

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That was very Lois & Clark-esque. Loved it.

Tornado

04-18-2009, 02:13 AM

It reminds me a lot of the tone of Noir, one of the worst episodes of the series.

Yikes.

Tornado

04-18-2009, 10:41 AM

Here's the synopsis for the penultimate episode, Injustice, which airs on May 7th:

DC COMICS
CHARACTER PLASTIQUE RETURNS WITH FRIENDS — Chloe (Allison Mack) returns and begs Clark (Tom Welling) to kill Davis (Sam Witwer), claiming he can no longer keep the beast under control. Tess (Cassidy Freeman) has assembled a team of meteor freaks, including Plastique (guest star Jessica Parker Kennedy), to track down Davis so Clark can kill him. However, things get out of hand once Tess’ team discovers she is double-crossing them. Aaron Ashmore and Justin Hartley also star. Posted on KryptonSite. Tom Welling directed the episode written by Al Septien & Turi Meyer.

I'm not that interested in this one, but I usually Welling's directing so maybe I'll change my tune after I see it.

Spirited Away

04-18-2009, 09:33 PM

About Injustice: the double-crossing is Tess knowingly sends the Injustice League to Doomsday, who (by episode 20) starts feasting on mutants. I guess it's part of her plan to get Clark to step up to his destiny.

Neverending

04-19-2009, 12:25 AM

I'm not that interested in this one

Dude, how can you not be interested in this one? It's the episode before the finale. It's the one setting everything up. Even the summary tells you that.

Tornado

04-19-2009, 08:34 PM

I know the summary tells you that. I can read. :rolleyes:

I just don't think it looks interesting. The second half of this entire season hasn't been that interesting to me.

Neverending

04-23-2009, 11:43 PM

wow!!! Did you guys forget there was a new episode tonight? This is the first time in 4 years that I've seen NO ACTIVITY during a new episode. wow!

Anyway...

It was crap except the end.

Tornado

04-23-2009, 11:45 PM

Well I was gone, and I haven't seen it go up online yet. The source I use isn't being as quick as usual.

unity768

04-24-2009, 12:32 AM

Odyssey - B
Plastique - B+
Toxic - C
Instinct - B-
Committed - C+
Prey - A-
Identity - A
Bloodline - B+
Abyss - A
Bride - A
Legion - A-
Bulletproof - C
Power - F
Requiem - D+
Infamous - B
Turbulence - C
Hex - A-
Eternal - C+
Stiletto - C+

Neverending

04-24-2009, 01:01 AM

Stiletto - C+

Explain Yourself.

Tornado

04-24-2009, 01:16 AM

You know... they could have hired someone more intimidating to play Bruno's thug. Hell, I'm far more intimidating than the knob they hired. Otherwise, I've really enjoyed this episode so far.

Tornado

04-24-2009, 01:46 AM

How did you guys not love this episode? I thought it was one of the best of the season, easily. BUT, I think I'm probably a bigger fan of the Clark/Lois dynamic than most here (that's not to say I think folks here dislike it, I'm just saying it's one of my favorite aspects of the show), and that got a lot of attention this week. Also, who else loved the mention that Clark thinks there's a better name out there for his superhero alter-ego? I even did a quick fist pump when he said that. Definitely one of my favorites of the season, and probably my favorite since Legion... here's hoping Jimmy bounces back before the end of the season though; it'd be nice seeing him work with Clark and Lois again... maybe in Season 9.

Odyssey - A-
Plastique - B-
Toxic - C-
Instinct - C
Committed - A-
Prey - A
Identity - A+
Bloodline - A-
Abyss - A
Bride - A-
Legion - A+
Bulletproof - C
Power - F
Requiem - F
Infamous - B
Turbulence - B+
Hex - A-
Eternal - B-
Stiletto - A-

Neverending

04-24-2009, 04:17 AM

How did you guys not love this episode?

Because it's the end of the season. By this point, filler episodes become annoying. You just want the storyline to start wrapping up. This would have been a great episode earlier in the season.

Stay Puft

04-24-2009, 07:46 AM

I enjoyed it, plenty of Lois in tight Leather. How can you not enjoy that? Any episode that features the girl is a guarenteed hit (she's just so damn fine). Not to mention it had a complete (Lois and Clark: New Adventures of Superman) vibe to it (almost like they got the writers of that show back to ghostwrite this episode as I could easily see Terri and Dean in Erica and Tom's spot). Not to mention the nod to Superman The Movie "can you read my mind" at the end as well as Lois's first article "I spent the night with Superman" (when I'm ready to tell the world my secret, you'll be the first to know).
Lastly, it's nice to know Clark thinks there's a better name out there than Red and Blue Blur because in Season 9, that has GOT TO GO

aside from the 2 Lana episodes, there hasn't been a bad episode this season. Can't wait for next week

unity768

04-24-2009, 08:16 AM

I appreciated the ambition, but it was just plain boring for me. The last 5 min was great, but for the rest, chalk it up to mediocrity. Lois and Clark are compelling but thats about it. With the exception of Hex everything after Legion has been pretty lackluster. Jimmy is still annoying thanks to terrible writing, and everything else is just blah. By the time season 9 is done and hopefully the show, Superman has, well, been Superman before he, well, becomes Superman. Make any sense? Didn't think so.

Tornado

04-24-2009, 09:09 AM

Because it's the end of the season. By this point, filler episodes become annoying. You just want the storyline to start wrapping up. This would have been a great episode earlier in the season.

It wasn't really filler. The Red-Blue-Blur, the growing Clark/Lois relationship, and Lois wanting to nail the first story with the Blur have all been ongoing arcs this season.

And frankly, after how dark this season has been with Doomsday, I'll take a light-hearted, feel good, fun Clark and Lois story any time.

Stay Puft

04-24-2009, 10:40 AM

By the time season 9 is done and hopefully the show, Superman has, well, been Superman before he, well, becomes Superman. Make any sense? Didn't think so.

I just look at it this way. Sure by the time he dons the tights he'll have been doing the damn thing for a while, but doesn't that just mean this version of clark will be a more advanced and professional Superman (in other words, superior) to other incarnations of the character? I like to think so

and he doesn't don the tights in many incarnations untill he's 30, which in actuality gives us another couple of seasons, ****, they can go past season 10, onto an 11, 12 and even 13th season before he becomes the Man of Steel.

and the more Smallville the better IMO

Stay Puft

04-24-2009, 10:44 AM

You know... they could have hired someone more intimidating to play Bruno's thug. Hell, I'm far more intimidating than the knob they hired. Otherwise, I've really enjoyed this episode so far.

I agree with this whole heartedly. The only part of the episode that gave me a WTF?? moment was how that small midget can cause THAT MUCH damage. Like Jimmy couldn't have dodged a couple of his slow punches and threw a couple himself (in reality, he more than likely would have). Guy was a little too threatening for the actor playing him

they sure as hell could've gotten someone else

Tornado

04-24-2009, 03:44 PM

The official description for the season finale, Doomsday:

CLARK AND DOOMSDAY FACE OFF — Oliver (Justin Hartley) tells Clark (Tom Welling) he must kill Davis (Sam Witwer), as Doomsday is a serious threat and must be stopped at all costs. However, Clark struggles with taking a human life, so the Green Arrow and his team decide to take matters into their own hands. Lois (Erica Durance) takes on Tess (Cassidy Freeman), but the fight takes a shocking turn. Meanwhile, Chloe (Allison Mack) gets caught in the middle of Oliver and Clark’s battle over killing Davis. Aaron Ashmore also stars. Posted on KryptonSite. James Marshall directed the episode written by Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders.

FVD

04-24-2009, 11:10 PM

Well I also thought it was a pretty good episode. The humourous moments between Lois and Clark have always been a highlight on this show since Season 4 because Tom and Erica appear to work really well together. The chemistry is picture perfect.

As for the Stiletto thing well at least it's a one episode thing. It's also cool that Bruno Mannheim and Intergang have been introduced into the show. Perhaps they should introduce Dan Turpin and Maggie Sawyer next for Season 9 anyway. :D

As for the Finale when are we gonna see Lex again? The hints have been planted earlier on.

Tornado

04-24-2009, 11:12 PM

Introduce Dan and Maggie? They've both been on the show before. ;)

FVD

04-25-2009, 01:33 AM

Have they really? Must... look... into... this... ;)

OH DAMN!!! I never knew. Mind you I only got an understanding of the Superman TAS storyline just recently. :redface:

Funny how Turpin appears alot younger than Sawyer in the series. :rolleyes:

Stay Puft

04-25-2009, 09:50 AM

Funny how Turpin appears alot younger than Sawyer in the series. :rolleyes:

Doesn't matter, Smallville's Dan Turpin owns every incarnation of the character in every way. The actor portraying him was spot on, I found TAS version of him to be too old and grumpy

Tornado

04-25-2009, 11:45 AM

Now that we're in the home stretch, let's take some bets guys:

Since Doomsday seems like it could be the darkest finale in the show's history, I'd be willing to bet just about anything there will be at least one character death. I'm going to say that the Davis Bloome persona will be killed leaving the Doomsday alter-ego as the lone persona for Season 9 or whenever he shows up again. And also, I'm going to take a leap and say Chloe will be killed. As much as I love the character, I can see her not returning next year after the events of this season.

FVD

04-25-2009, 09:47 PM

Doesn't matter, Smallville's Dan Turpin owns every incarnation of the character in every way. The actor portraying him was spot on, I found TAS version of him to be too old and grumpy

I won't complain about that version of Turpin as they did influence him on Jack Kirby. The Smallville version was pretty good though. I think I'll take another look at that episode.

And Torn I have a feeling Chloe may die too. If not I'd say either Tess or Oliver. After all Green Arrow has been known to come back to life on numerous occasions.

Tornado

04-25-2009, 11:44 PM

Could be, but I'd rather not see Oliver die at all. It's one thing to happen in the comics, but I think it'd be a little harder to buy in this show.

I've come to terms with the idea of Chloe dying, to be honest. She was my second favorite character from the pilot on, but Lois has replaced her this season. And with the way her story has gone so far this year, I think her death would really kick Clark in the ass and make him work even harder than he already is.

Alien

04-26-2009, 06:27 AM

Lex has sorta died and came back this season. Why can't Oliver do it if done right?

Tornado

04-26-2009, 08:47 AM

Because... Lex... didn't die. That was a pretty straight forward answer, Alien. ;)

Alien

04-26-2009, 08:57 AM

Well, Oliver can not die too... Hell we can all not die together.

Tornado

04-26-2009, 09:01 AM

Alien

04-26-2009, 09:05 AM

I've really not liked what they've done with Chloe in the latter half of this season. And I don't think I ever liked Davis.

Spirited Away

04-27-2009, 12:10 AM

But that's not a death, then. Why are we even debating this? If Oliver dies, he's dead. We haven't seen anything that should convince us Oliver might be capable of rising from the dead. And besides, I don't think the show wants to mess with the mythology that much; hence, why I chose Chloe and Davis for my guesses - neither of them exist in the comics.
Ausiello said last month that Chloe doesn't die (see a few pages back).

It's Davis/Tess + Lois/Jimmy/Oliver + a metaphorical death.

My money's on Davis and Oliver dying, with Chloe erasing her identity to become Watchtower full-time.

Tornado

04-27-2009, 12:16 AM

I'm not sure I buy that. I remember him saying that (and I had forgotten about that until you mentioned it), but maybe it was just to throw people off.

They're not going to kill Lois, and they've mentioned Oliver for storylines for next season... so I don't see them killing him, and Jimmy... I don't see it happening. Maybe they'll kill Impulse or something; Flashes die all the time in the comics.

Tornado

04-28-2009, 09:51 AM

COVER ART FOR SEASON 8!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/s8dvdart.jpg

I like it. I'm curious to see what the color of the spine is... maybe a dark yellow or something.

Also, there shouldn't have been any questioning anyway, but Souders and Peterson just confirmed that Erica Durance is definitely signed for Season 9. Lois ain't dying.

FVD

04-28-2009, 11:06 AM

If Lois dies then you can kiss the series Goodbye. And I still remember the ridiculous speculation that Chloe would become Lois if she did die. Pathetic. I'm just so glad that Durance has finally become the Lois we know and love among Superman lore. :)

Spirited Away

04-28-2009, 01:11 PM

So it's therefore confirmed that it's Jimmy or Oliver who bites the bullet.

Both deaths are characters from the opening credits, one is a newcomer, one is a veteran, neither are Clark, Chloe or Lois.

Thus, one of the deaths is Davis or Tess, the other is Jimmy or Oliver.

Tornado

04-28-2009, 02:04 PM

This is concerning the season finale. I'm just tagging it to be consistent with my own spoiler protocol, even though nobody else seems to care.

All we know at this point is that one of the deaths is a Smallville vet, and the other is, "not so much." The second is likely either Davis or Tess, yeah. But the first could be Jimmy or Oliver, or Bart, or any number of other characters we've seen before. After all, Flashes have died in the comics, and I think you could call Bart a "Smallville vet." I cannot see them killing off Jimmy or Oliver. I know that Smallville doesn't really follow any set continuity, but killing off Jimmy would spit in the face of 70 years of history. And killing off Oliver would be... pointless.

Spirited Away

04-28-2009, 02:38 PM

It would prompt Clark and Chloe to take over the Justice League, considering their HQ is one of next season's key locations.

Tornado

04-28-2009, 02:46 PM

True. But that could be done without... what we were referring to. Oliver could just leave for some time, putting Clark in charge in his absence. When he returns, he decides to take a back seat, stating Clark is a better leader anyway.

Spirited Away

04-28-2009, 05:26 PM

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4779089&postcount=1

A "new and old" character for Season 9 will be introduced in the finale. My money's on either Perry White or Zod.

There's evidence supporting Zod returning, played by Sam Witwer.

http://mundosmallville.tv/galeria/albums/userpics/10080/tayamovieeee001.jpg

The above photo was taken last week from the set of 'Doomsday'.

Tornado

04-28-2009, 05:43 PM

I'd love to see both.

I think casting Witwer as Zod is really lazy, but it wouldn't really bother me that much I guess. I'm pretty good at suspending my "that doesn't make any sense" sensor with this show.

But something else mentioned in that K-Site post is interesting: why does Clark have to be responsible for the destruction of Davis and the creation of the Doomsday we all know? Can't, for once, Clark be involved in a situation from a purely reactionary position? It seems like he's always creating as much danger as he is preventing.

Spirited Away

04-28-2009, 09:04 PM

First look at 'Doomsday': http://i44.tinypic.com/imsetk.jpg

Tornado

04-28-2009, 10:25 PM

Kyle looks a lot older than we last saw him.

I'm really anxious for the finale, as I'm not exactly sure how it's going to work. I'm sure Clark and Doomsday will fight, but I'm curious to see how it goes down.

Darth Maul

04-29-2009, 03:33 AM

RingWraith2k4

04-29-2009, 10:05 AM

I know people are gonna be blah about it, and I know its pretty much clarks weakness other then magic but Im really getting tired of the kryptonite gag. Not a bad episode, so Jimmy is a druggy,..... coool.

I'm with ya, you think that the use of Kryptonite would "run out" at Smallville/Metropolis. But noooo, there's still plenty to go around.

And when you want to see Clark do awesome stuff, kryptonite is right there to spoil everything. Sigh!

Tornado

04-29-2009, 11:24 AM

They've been weaning themselves off the kryptonite krutch (intentional) for a while now. It's shown up a few times this season, but nowhere near as much as it has in seasons past. I can only think of... maybe five episodes that it turned up in this year (Committed, Bride, Requiem, Eternal, and Stiletto), whereas if you go back to the early years of the show it pops up in almost every episode.

bbf2

04-29-2009, 12:03 PM

That's pretty much canon in every adaptation, though. Superman will show up in the comics to stop a robbery and the random criminal will just happen to have an ultra-rare fragment of a shattered planet in his bag of stolen jewels.

Spirited Away

04-29-2009, 12:56 PM

Difference is, kryptonite isn't that rare in the SV universe, there have been two full on meteor showers of the stuff.

Spirited Away

04-29-2009, 06:04 PM

Spoiler images from 'Doomsday': http://www.kryptonsite.com/doomsdaygallery1.htm

The Justice League turns on Clark, most likely when he tries to stop them killing Davis, and Jimmy finds Clark with a kryponite arrow in his back.

Spirited Away

04-29-2009, 06:32 PM

"Heroes" vs. "Smallville"
-- THE ULTIMATE SUPERHERO SHOWDOWN --
Click here to vote! (http://forums.comingsoon.net/showthread.php?t=52124)

Spirited Away

04-29-2009, 07:52 PM

New 'Doomsday' interview with Erica Durance: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Durance-Smallville-Finale-1005577.aspx

TVGuide.com: Now let's talk about the season finale. What three words would you use to describe it?
Durance: Let me think... . I would say heartbreaking, surprising .. and magical.

TVGuide.com: Did any of the finale deaths utterly surprise you, the actress?
Durance: We all were taken aback when we got our script. Each one of us, seeing what all of our characters is doing... . Like I said, some heartbreaking things happen. I'm guessing that people will be sitting there at the end with a stunned look, their mouths hanging open, going, "Oh my God."
Sounds pretty major.

Tornado

04-29-2009, 11:31 PM

Latest spoilers from Ausiello:

Question: Please give us a hint about the special guest that will appear in the season finale of Smallville and then return next season! --Jorge
Ausiello: I'll give you two: He shows up in the final scene and he's going to cause big problems next season.

Question: How about you give us another clue as to who is dying in the Smallville season finale? --Kendall
Ausiello: I've said all I'm going to say on the subject. I lied, here's one final hint: I can confirm that there is a twist, but it doesn't involve anyone coming back to life. Okay, now I'm done.

Yep. Well, that pretty much confirms that Davis is going to die, but somehow Zod will show up (also played by Sam Witwer) and hang around for Season 9.

Spirited Away

04-29-2009, 11:56 PM

Tornado

04-30-2009, 12:03 AM

You really are not a fan of spoiler tags.

I vaguely remember that though, good one. I'm not quite sure how I feel about it yet, but I always feel that way at the end of a season. When the season premiere airs though, I'm sure I'll be on board.

Interesting though: since Zod can fly, perhaps Clark will finally have to take flight in order to fight him in the Season 9 finale... I'm really getting ahead of myself now.

Tornado

04-30-2009, 01:15 AM

Over the next couple of days, I'll be unveiling my top ten episodes of all-time. I'm kinda bored and it's something I've wanted to try and tackle for a while now. I'm tempted to wait and let the season finish first, but I don't think it makes much difference.

WuTical

04-30-2009, 04:49 PM

Seeing those new pictures of the season finale got me HYPED!

bbf2

04-30-2009, 05:34 PM

I just want to say, I predicted the above last November, when Zod's wife said Davis looked identical to Zod, and actor Sam Witwer said to The CW Source the producers have worked out a way to keep him on the show, if there's a 9th season.

You know what? I totally forgot that Zod's wife said that to him. That makes me feel better about them re-using the same actor for Zod now. I thought there was going to be some weird shenanigans where Zod possessed Davis's body since he was the only other person strong enough to contain him (since he could only possess Lex when Lex became a superhuman.) I thought that would be way too redundant and weird, to have the same guy possessed by both Doomsday and Zod. I still think its redundant to have the same actor, but now that I remember she said that Zod made his "son" in his own image that makes me feel a lot better. So I guess Zod will actually be showing up in the flesh instead of just possessing Davis. That's a lot better.

Tornado

04-30-2009, 09:04 PM

I thought tonight's episode was pretty good. Not as good as the first half of the season, but I still enjoyed it. Probably.... a B+.

Spirited Away

04-30-2009, 09:29 PM

It was okay (watched it via live streaming). Really just a build up for the finale.

unity768

04-30-2009, 09:42 PM

Solid episode, though nothing special or innovative happens. Still can't stand Jimmy Olsen - B

WuTical

04-30-2009, 11:26 PM

Really liked the episode but I think I've had enough of Chloe. She needs to be killed off.

Tornado

04-30-2009, 11:39 PM

EnderDeschain

05-01-2009, 01:45 AM

And also, I'm going to take a leap and say Chloe will be killed. As much as I love the character, I can see her not returning next year after the events of this season.

I wouldn't have believed you until tonight. The whole time she was having that conversation with Clark on the phone, the way he kept referring to how she was basically "sacrificing" herself and her "greater good is never a sacrifice" line and all, the whole time I was thinking this conversation is far too weighty for Chloe to come out of this unscathed. The whole thing felt like the first part in the Three-part Good-bye Formula, where the first one is all sentimental and nostalgic and expository just before the action, the second one is when one character sacrifices themselves and the other one screams no, and the third is the tearful death after the bad guy's been beaten, the real good-bye. Of course, if they really were to follow that formula, that would have to mean that Chloe will be the one to really stop Doomsday somehow, sacrificing herself in the process. I don't see how that's gonna be possible. But I'm sure they'll figure out a way, if they are gonna off her. I figured this season was gonna wrap up with the comic book resolution, Clark and Doomsday just punching each other to "death", and then next season deal with a radically modified version of the whole Reign Of The Supermen thing. Or at least spend a few episodes doing the Funeral For A Friend thing, the whole "world without a Superman" concept. But with everything that's happening with Chloe, I'm starting to lean toward Tornado's conclusion, as well. It's her that's gonna go.

EnderDeschain

05-01-2009, 01:48 AM

I almost forgot to say that it was her "I've thrown away hundreds of green rocks but never saved you. Now's my chance" line (or something like that) that sealed the deal on my thinking she's gonna be dead. I almost got teary at that, it was a really good line. Just something about the whole tone of it, and that line in particular, felt like the Three-part Good-bye.

Neverending

05-01-2009, 01:59 AM

I think she's run her course.

I feel the same way. Chloe is a pointless character at this point.

DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE

05-01-2009, 02:19 AM

Wow, this episode cast a really dark shadow on the series.
Chloe putting Davis' secret ahead of her friendship w/ Clark, Jimmy breaking into the Talon to steal money for drugs. The scene where Oliver is talking to Clark at the Isis Foundation made me feel almost sorry for Clark. He wants so badly for his life and his friends and family to just go back to normal that he denies how much the world he lives in is changing.
It actually made me wish Smallville could go back to a more innocent time. A time when Johnathan and Martha were both alive and present in Clark's life. A time when Chloe was happy and smiling and Clark's best friend. A time when Jimmy wasn't a drug addict,Michael Rosenbaum and John Glover were part of the cast and Jor-el and the fortress were a place where Clark could go to find answers.
Smallville has definitely lost it's innocence, it really would be a fitting end to this dark chapter if it's most innocent character died protecting those she loved.
For me it feels too early for Doomsday, but it's coming whether Clark is ready for it or not.

Neverending

05-01-2009, 02:22 AM

Wow, this episode cast a really dark shadow on the series.

Wait till you get to the finale.

Tolkien

05-01-2009, 05:17 AM

There was a day, not that long ago, when I would have really defended her. I'll be sad if they kill her off, but Lois has replaced her this season as my favorite female lead on the show. I hate to say it, but I think she's run her course.
I saw some of this episode at my friend's house tonight and I have a theory. Her sudden change seems off. I have this theory that the writers took her down this path because they wanted to weed the fans away from her so that when they killed her, they'd have reason to. Up until now, Chloe's been the best aspect of Clark's life. She's his rock, his friend, his person to confide in. At least, that's my theory.

Tornado

05-01-2009, 08:25 AM

It's not really a sudden change; they've been more distant than ever all season. Back when the first couple of episodes were airing, I thought maybe this season would culminate in either Chloe's death or at least the end of her friendship with Clark. Now they've just added more fuel to the fire.

Stay Puft

05-03-2009, 09:32 AM

wrapping up to be a good one folks. I'm curious to see how the Justice League turning on Clark is going to play out. They'll probably make it out to be something big, then reverse it for the season 9 premier but we'll see.

can't wait for the Finale (here's to hoping they duke it out for most of it and not just 5 minutes).

Neverending

05-04-2009, 02:29 AM

How many of you guys are gonna miss this week's episode? Star Trek is opening at 7pm! Any Trekkies here? Thank God the finales is NEXT week. lol.

Stay Puft

05-04-2009, 08:46 AM

not a Star Trek fan so I will be passing on that flick and will be at home watching Smallville

The Man of Steel and The Justice League > Kirk and Starfleet

Tornado

05-04-2009, 08:57 AM

I really want to see Star Trek, but Smallville is more important. I'll see the movie this weekend probably.

true fan11212

05-04-2009, 09:40 AM

I'll be seeing Star Trek at 7:15 pm on Thursday, so I'll have some record Smallville for me.

FVD

05-04-2009, 08:04 PM

I'm seeing Star Trek as the current season of Smallville hasn't even aired in my country yet. :D

Neverending

05-05-2009, 12:30 AM

Smallville is more important.

Isn't this Thursday's episode the one you said you didn't care about? :confused:

Tornado

05-05-2009, 01:15 AM

Yeah, but it's not like I casually watch this show. I'm always looking forward to new Smallville.

Stay Puft

05-05-2009, 07:45 AM

Yeah, but it's not like I casually watch this show. I'm always looking forward to new Smallville.

plus, I can almost guarentee that should you miss it you WILL infact miss out on key information regarding the finale

the last couple of episodes of every season are usually like that

Tornado

05-05-2009, 09:09 AM

Yeah, I'm well aware of that. I've been watching since day 1. ;)

Spirited Away

05-05-2009, 04:33 PM

Neverending

05-05-2009, 04:36 PM

Jimmy Olsen.

:rolleyes:

Another character who dies and comes back a season later.

Spirited Away

05-05-2009, 04:43 PM

No, already confirmed that the death is permanent. Maybe as a ghost or something, but these two deaths are very real (within the show's universe!).

Also appears to confirm Zod is coming back, with the big Z at the end.

Oh, and Lois travels to the future/past?

Tornado

05-05-2009, 04:57 PM

That looks excellent.

As far as the death goes... they've taken such huge leaps with the character, I guess I don't really mind so much. I also love that Clark is casting out Oliver. That's something I was kind of hoping would happen, based on the promo images released.

Also, as far as Lois going back in time/the future, I'm guessing she maybe picks up the ring as Rokk shows up or something.

WuTical

05-05-2009, 06:52 PM

that trailer was insane

true fan11212

05-05-2009, 06:59 PM

SEASON FINALE TRAILER
***MAJOR SPOILER ALERT***

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/05/atv-spoiler-ale.html

It "confirms" one of the deaths is... [click at your own risk]

Jimmy Olsen.

He attacks Davis, and gets stabbed in the chest by a steel rod.

Damn! Why did I read that! Anyway, I was hoping that Chloe would be the death but oh well. At least my Best Friend will be happy that's not the case. The episode looks fantastic by the way. I think this - and Injustice - will be the best episodes this season!

Spirited Away

05-05-2009, 07:21 PM

Oooh, there are other theories now, about time travel, which I didn't take into account.

Two deaths stick, but that doesn't mean only 2 people die - everyone could die, then time travel reverses everyone's death, EXCEPT 2 who stay dead.

Spirited Away

05-05-2009, 09:08 PM

I'm 100% certain the person holding the glowing orb, on the "Z" (they're the same scene), is Davis. It must be his transformation into Zod.

That might mean he's NOT one of two leads being killed off for good. Maybe it's Tess and Jimmy after all?

Tornado

05-05-2009, 09:46 PM

Tornado

05-05-2009, 09:51 PM

It'd be a total rehash of Reckoning, but what if Jimmy dies, Lois somehow turns back time, and then someone else dies in place of him? The more I think about it, the more I refuse to believe Jimmy is the one to bite the dust.

Neverending

05-06-2009, 12:39 AM

Jimmy can't die for good because he's Jimmy Olsen! Photographer for reporters Lois Lane and Clark Kent. Killing him for good would be incredibly stupid. And just continue to upset the fans even more.

bbf2

05-06-2009, 01:06 AM

SEASON FINALE TRAILER
***MAJOR SPOILER ALERT***

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/05/atv-spoiler-ale.html

It "confirms" one of the deaths is... [click at your own risk]

Wow, I like his articles but Ausiello is really horrible on TV. That was painful to watch.

Stay Puft

05-06-2009, 07:24 AM

Jimmy can't die for good because he's Jimmy Olsen! Photographer for reporters Lois Lane and Clark Kent. Killing him for good would be incredibly stupid. And just continue to upset the fans even more.

TRUTH

if that sticks than that's just stupid even for this shows liberties.

as far as I'm concerned, the 2 deaths are Davis and Chloe

if it's anyone else, then.......I just don't know anymore

Tornado

05-06-2009, 08:37 AM

I don't think anybody who doesn't read spoilers regularly comes in this thread, but let's show a little respect if someone does. ^ Tag that stuff.

Spirited Away

05-06-2009, 10:15 AM

More to my theory:

I think Clark, Chloe, Tess and Oliver are all present at the funeral. I swear I can see Clark right next to Chloe (on the right hand side of the long shot), and Tess further up. Take into account Davis is in hiding as he's a convict, and possibly appears later on in the final scene with the orb and "Z", and Lois uses the Legion ring, I'm 100% certain one of the deaths is Jimmy.

The other death might just be Doomsday, leaving Davis alive and well to become Zod.

Stay Puft

05-06-2009, 10:43 AM

edit.

Spirited Away

05-06-2009, 10:52 PM

Further theory:

I'm also 100% certain the opening shot of the trailer (with Tess going "Oh my God") is one of the final scenes of the episode, and takes place after the funeral.

In the scene, Davis (with his Kryptonian powers) steals the orb that Tess kept in her safe. He then uses it to resurrect Zod into his body, thus metaphorically killing the "Davis" persona inside him.

The two deaths: Doomsday (sans Davis) and Jimmy.

Tornado

05-06-2009, 10:55 PM

What? Read your last two sentences, you contradicted yourself. They're not going to kill off Doomsday; Davis seems likely though.

Spirited Away

05-06-2009, 11:17 PM

Take the Doomsday away from Davis, you still have a Kryptonian-powered person. He'll still have his powers, which allows him to break into Tess' vault (my theory).

Here's my complete guess about who's in the funeral scene:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4857/funeral.jpg

Spirited Away

05-07-2009, 01:27 PM

New spoiler for Doomsday: another character finds out Clark's secret.

My bet: It's Jimmy, because he worked it out once before, and it's confirmed he's the one that finds Clark after Ollie shoots a kryptonite arrow into him. Can't fool somebody like that twice!

Spirited Away

05-07-2009, 09:16 PM

Wow, didn't expect the show to go in that direction. I just thought Kandor would be an off-screen thing and never part of the central story.

And I didn't expect Tess to become so important to the Superman mythology, as the "saviour of Kandor", or whatever the orb said.

Tornado

05-07-2009, 09:29 PM

It was a better episode than I thought it would be. I never get tired of Clark losing his powers though, that's for damn sure. ;)

I need to re-watch the last couple of minutes, a few friends walked in and wouldn't shut up.

FVD

05-08-2009, 12:49 AM

I swear if Jimmy ends up dying I will discontinue watching the show. That is beyond ridiculous.

However, if this so called League turns on Clark and he dies then perhaps I can find that acceptable. This Watchtower League just doesn't feel right to me despite the fact that Aquaman and Impulse (cough cough) is in there. Who knows I know I'm dreaming here but I'd love to see Clark reemerge and start up a Justice League we know and love. And that would include Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a true Barry Allen Flash. At least John Jones is pretty much with Clark on this one. Yeah I know it won't happen but one can dream can't he? ;)

Spirited Away

05-08-2009, 02:11 AM

I swear if Jimmy ends up dying I will discontinue watching the show. That is beyond ridiculous.
Really? I don't mind the character, but I've never really thought he equated to much, even in the comics. He doesn't really do anything but replace Pete Ross as Clark's best bud. And in SV's universe, Chloe is Clark's BBF, and Jimmy doesn't even like Clark that much. So his death wouldn't emotionally stir me at all.

But at least it looks like he dies solving the mystery of the Red-Blue-Blur, and saving Chloe's life.

As for lining up to the Superman mythology, I think PS3 were taking the piss when they said that. Season 9 looks set to be an entirely new ballgame, simply because of the Kandor revelation.

Kandor = Kryptonian science and heritage = The Anti-Life Equation = Darkseid

Stay Puft

05-08-2009, 06:17 AM

so what happened here? Is Tess in cahoots with Zod? and why does Zod want clark to be the "savior of Kandor"? I too thought that was just an offscreen excuse to give Kara proper closure from the show. I'm guessing Kandor is going to play a big part of season 9 (lets hope they get Laura back for this IF this is the case)

and did they explain how Zod escaped from the Phantom Zone and how the hell he got into that orb? Or was that little ramble from Tess to Clark about how criminals always find a way to escape the excuse?

unity768

05-08-2009, 10:12 AM

With seasons 1-6 I was pumped going into the finale. Seasons 7 and 8, not so much. Hmmm...from the trailer I saw yeserday...wonder if they're just going to copy the season 5 finale? If so, then chalk this season up to mediocrity.

unity768

05-08-2009, 10:14 AM

Episode-by-episode breakdown

Odyssey - B
Plastique - B+
Toxic - C
Instinct - B-
Committed - C+
Prey - A-
Identity - A
Bloodline - B+
Abyss - A
Bride - A
Legion - A-
Bulletproof - C
Power - F
Requiem - D+
Infamous - B
Turbulence - C
Hex - A-
Eternal - C+
Stiletto - C+
Beast - B
Injustice - B-

Tornado

05-08-2009, 10:40 AM

Really? I'm more pumped going into Doomsday than I think I have ever been for a Smallville finale... I was really excited for Vessel too, though.

Odyssey - A-
Plastique - B-
Toxic - C-
Instinct - C
Committed - A-
Prey - A
Identity - A+
Bloodline - A-
Abyss - A
Bride - A-
Legion - A+
Bulletproof - C
Power - F
Requiem - F
Infamous - B
Turbulence - B+
Hex - A-
Eternal - B-
Stiletto - A-
Beast - B+
Injustice - B-

Unless the finale is awful, I think Season 8 will easily be the best season of the show.

Stay Puft

05-08-2009, 10:45 AM

so is everyone as clueless as I am as to my questions above?

are we all suppose to be this lost? or did I miss something?

just want to make sure before going into the finale next week............

Tornado

05-08-2009, 11:06 AM

I think more will be revealed in the finale.

Spirited Away

05-08-2009, 02:49 PM

so is everyone as clueless as I am as to my questions above?
The finale will answer it, because we simply don't know. But it appears that the orb, which is meant to control Clark, is actually Kandor.

Which works: how do you control the Traveller? You trap him in one place, i.e. inside the Orb/Kandor.

Spirited Away

05-08-2009, 03:13 PM

Some Work in Progress footage of the Doomsday showdown:

v6a0ojNH_Ro

Spirited Away

05-08-2009, 03:46 PM

And for all the Lois fans, Erica Durance's new contract is for 17 episodes of Season 9 AND all 22 episodes of Season 10, if its picked-up.

http://www.imdb.com/user/ur10014779/boards/profile/ - this info was provided by this IMDB user, who is reliable and proven she actually knows ED and her husband. She says the network and studio gave her a new-and-costly contract "based on the overwhelming response by viewers".

Tornado

05-08-2009, 03:54 PM

Good to hear about Erica if it's true. She has deserved a "regular" contract for some time now.

And that video was really cool, even with the preliminary FX work. My only gripe was that Doomsday was about the same height as the woman who went running up to him, which I thought was very odd. Hopefully they can fix/have fixed that in post.

Yuney

05-08-2009, 04:05 PM

I'm just not that impressed with this season.. there have been moments I have loved, but overall it has been pretty disappointing. I'm hoping the finale will make up for some of the weaker parts of this season, and they can pull off a really good last season to give it the justice it deserves.

bbf2

05-08-2009, 08:57 PM

I'm surprised they didn't give Parasite more time. He's probably the most prominent/important member of Superman's rogues gallery that they haven't gotten to yet (other than Darkseid) and they just had him be some angsty teen punk henchman.

Also, is it just me, or does every single major villain know that Clark Kent will be Superman?

Spirited Away

05-08-2009, 09:22 PM

I personally don't think it matters, and that the writers will follow in the footsteps of Iron Man, i.e. When Clark finally becomes Superman, he won't bother with hiding his identity.

SV is its own universe separate from traditional mythology, where Jimmy Olsen can die, and Lois can time travel, as Rokk explains in the trailer/preview clips.

true fan11212

05-08-2009, 09:29 PM

Here's a new clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inBNC3eKSPo

Tornado

05-08-2009, 09:32 PM

Titanic

05-08-2009, 10:52 PM

It's a great show! Superb!

EnderDeschain

05-08-2009, 11:33 PM

I was a bit disappointed in last night's episode. How did Clark not know what Chloe was? ****, I knew, from almost the moment she showed up, and I ain't the sharpest bulb in the crayon box. Whenever whatever happens with Chloe and Davis happens, it ain't gonna be offscreen. But I guess Clark doesn't know what's onscreen and what isn't, so I guess I can forgive his stupidity.

Parasite was underutilized and kinda poorly done, like bbf said. That dude that played the sidekick in Freddy Vs Jason is actually a pretty damn good actor and they coulda done way more with him. They should've devoted an entire episode to him, if they were gonna do it at all. I liked how Clark says to Oliver early on that "I knew I could count on you" and Oliver responds in all sincerity "that'll never change." Then later Clark makes it change. He seems like kind of a dick sometimes. I really dug what whoever said about how Clark can always afford to do the right thing because he's friggin invulnerable pretty much, but the rest of us have some tough choices to make. Who the heck said that, was it Oliver or Plastique? I can't remember now. I have wet-brain. I liked the look that Clark gave Ollie as he carried Tess away. I don't know what's coming with Oliver and the League, or the Legion either I caught a glimpse of one of those Legionares before I stopped watching the preview, but I anticipate it will be ****ing awesome.

You guys are great about the spoiler tags, by the way. Thank you. I would hate to not be able to chime in on this show every once in a while for fear of coming into this thread. But why do you want to know so much ahead of time? That baffles me. I'm not criticizing, I just don't understand it.

Tornado

05-08-2009, 11:39 PM

I read spoilers because it's Superman. Clark is ultimately going to don the tights and become the Man of Steel we know and love. I just don't think I really lose anything by reading spoilers. It's not like Lost where everything is up in the air; Smallville, despite the fact that it apparently is an elseworlds story now, can really only develop a few different ways.

EnderDeschain

05-09-2009, 12:00 AM

I see your point, I guess, but if everything's a foregone conclusion then why even bother? Like you said, I see this as an elseworlds and while not necessarily anything can happen I expect a few bumps along the way that I don't see coming. And I don't wanna see them coming. Like Lana and Lex at the end of season five, I think. Or Jonathan dying. Or ****, now that I'm thinking about it, Martha wasn't ever a senator in the comics, was she? I read, and I was a pretty faithful Supes fan until about 2003. Jimmy Olsen getting strung out, the Martian Manhunter and Kara showing up, Lana getting superpowers (okay, bad example), all of those are things that were curveballs to me even though I know most of the mythology associated with Superman. At this point I interpret this show sorta like the Ultimate universe with Marvel, you're taking the basic idea and a lot of the known characters and completely redoing it. Like in Ultimate Spidey when Gwen didn't die at the hands of Osborn but Carnage instead, I didn't see that coming and if someone would have told me months or weeks ahead of time I wouldn't have ****ing cried when it happened. I think sometimes fandom loses sight of the fact that the story is best left as a story, and we should just absorb it in the order it's meant to be told in. That sounds critical but like I said I really don't mean to criticize, that's just my thoughts on it. I know that Clark will probably end up in the red and blue by series' end, and he'll more than likely end up with Lois, but other than that I don't know **** else about it and as a result everything plays better. Chloe and Jimmy getting married, if I'd known about that a season before it happened it would have meant less.

Anyway, bleh.

Tornado

05-09-2009, 10:06 AM

I see your point, I guess, but if everything's a foregone conclusion then why even bother?

Why even bother? Bother doing what? Watching the show? Isn't that obvious? It's my favorite show. Why wouldn't I watch it?

Spirited Away

05-09-2009, 08:53 PM

That sounds critical but like I said I really don't mean to criticize, that's just my thoughts on it.
No, it's a fair point, but for people like me (and perhaps Tornado), discussing the spoilers is just as fun as the episodes themselves.

Spirited Away

05-09-2009, 10:06 PM

From the IMDB insider:

... the studio and network are ecstatic with ED's performance this year, which bodes well for the show, as it is undergoing a metamorphisis in season 9, that indicates a season 10 may be more than a possibility, and ED is already contracted for season 10.
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur10014779/boards/profile/

Tornado

05-09-2009, 10:08 PM

true fan11212

05-10-2009, 01:14 AM

I'm not sure I want to see a Season 10, even if Season 9 is amazing. As much as I love the show, I think they should call it quits before it becomes absurd that Clark still hasn't donned the tights. I came to terms with the idea that Season 7 was the last, I did it again for Season 8, and I'm slowly doing it for Season 9. I'd really rather not repeat the process for a Season 10.

You?! I've been saying the show was gonna end since Season Five (I thought that since Superman Returns was coming out, it would only be fitting to have the show end at that point).

Spirited Away

05-10-2009, 01:28 AM

I was trying to highlight the IMDB source says the show is undergoing a "metamorphosis" for Season 9.

I'm putting this out there: permanent flashforward.

Stay Puft

05-10-2009, 07:32 AM

I was trying to highlight the IMDB source says the show is undergoing a "metamorphosis" for Season 9.

I'm putting this out there: permanent flashforward.

Metamorphosis is a Justice League character so......

it could just be a hint that they're bringing him in

bbf2

05-10-2009, 07:48 AM

Metamorphosis is a Justice League character so......

it could just be a hint that they're bringing him in

Or they're just going to show a bunch of reruns of the second episode of season one.

bbf2

05-10-2009, 08:00 AM

I personally don't think it matters, and that the writers will follow in the footsteps of Iron Man, i.e. When Clark finally becomes Superman, he won't bother with hiding his identity.

I think the episode earlier this season where Clark revealed his abilities to the world, then had to reverse time since it was such a bad decision, probably nullifies that theory.

That being said, it is a little strange that Brainiac, Doomsday, Zod, Bizarro, Toyman, Parasite, and several other major or minor villains know that Clark Kent has these powers and presumably when Superman shows up they'll know his true identity. (not to mention Lex Luthor, but I'm sure they'll find a way to erase the memory from him)

Stay Puft

05-10-2009, 08:50 AM

Or they're just going to show a bunch of reruns of the second episode of season one.

not true, that dude only absorbed heat, and if he didn't he'd freeze to death

no similarities with Metamorphosis whatsoever

Tornado

05-10-2009, 09:40 AM

You're thinking of Cool. Metamorphosis's villain was Greg Arkin, who was a more sinsister version of Spider-Man essentially (w/o the web-slinging).

WuTical

05-10-2009, 09:48 AM

I think the episode earlier this season where Clark revealed his abilities to the world, then had to reverse time since it was such a bad decision, probably nullifies that theory.

That being said, it is a little strange that Brainiac, Doomsday, Zod, Bizarro, Toyman, Parasite, and several other major or minor villains know that Clark Kent has these powers and presumably when Superman shows up they'll know his true identity. (not to mention Lex Luthor, but I'm sure they'll find a way to erase the memory from him)

Or when he does become Superman, everyone is gonna know it's him anyway.

bbf2

05-11-2009, 05:53 AM

Or when he does become Superman, everyone is gonna know it's him anyway.

Well, the episode with the reporter where his identity is revealed and the paparazzi goes insane, his life is ruined, and he has to go back in time to stop it from happening probably means they can't go that route.

Spirited Away

05-11-2009, 11:59 AM

SEASON 10 CONFIRMED!

Tom has signed for two more [seasons], so the show will go until season 10.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/mattdentler/archives/2009/05/11/five_questions_for_allison_mack

Tornado

05-11-2009, 12:23 PM

No, that doesn't mean Season 10 is confirmed. All it means is that Tom is signed on for a 10th season, should it happen. You really like to jump the gun. ;) Remember John Glover? He was signed for Season 8, but they killed him off near the end of Season 7. I'm not saying they would kill Clark off or anything like that, but the contract doesn't necessarily mean much other than that the actor is interested in doing more if need be.

If the ratings are absurdly low next year, they'll probably cancel the show, with or without Tom's involvement.

Spirited Away

05-11-2009, 01:08 PM

Smallville isn't going to get cancelled, because:

(A) it's the CW's flagship series;
(B) even if it lost a million viewers, it'd still be one of the CW's biggest shows;
(C) WB would kill for the series to reach 10 seasons, and over 200 episodes, as that doubles the show's value in syndication;
(D) The WB would just return if the CW went bust, and SV would just move over.

Spirited Away

05-11-2009, 01:09 PM

Anyway, Allison Mack said "the show will go until season 10" indicating the CW and WB have made their plans already. Given Erica Durance is signed up for all 22 episodes of Season 10, if/when it gets made, the future's pretty bright.

Stay Puft

05-13-2009, 08:05 AM

Neverending

05-14-2009, 08:40 AM

Tonight's the night!

Stay Puft

05-14-2009, 08:44 AM

Tonight's the night!

11 hours to go..............

Neverending

05-14-2009, 09:07 PM

That was the best and worst finale of Smallville ever. It was the best cause there was good action, good pace, and some nice dramatic moments. It was the worst cause they totally bs'd their way through out. For starters, there's a second Jimmy? And now we're getting emo CK...again? Except this time it isn't over Lana. And that Zod ending was kinda funny since they did the same thing in season 5. lol.

unity768

05-14-2009, 09:11 PM

Yeah i guessed they'd so a season 5 a couple pages ago. I didn't mind the character death b/c I never really liked him/her anyways. Overall- a pretty sloppy finale to a very, very sloppy season, which had pockets of brilliance and spurts of ridiculousness. Very mediocre.

Finale - B

Stay Puft

05-14-2009, 09:21 PM

holy shat that sucked. Killing off Jimmy and making his little brother take his place as CK's future little buddy? not ok, blah

The Zod ending.........Blah, didn't we do this in season 5?

Lois traveling through time?.............Blah

and what is clark thinking, doing and where the heck is he going? Clark kent is dead.....Blah

not liking this one single mother flocking bit

Neverending

05-14-2009, 09:21 PM

Stay Puft

05-14-2009, 09:24 PM

This season of Smallville was kinda messed up. It started brilliant. For a while it REALLY was the best season of the show. Then, they brought Lana back and the show never recovered. It reminds me of season 6. Started great, they did the Justice League episode, and then just gave up after that.

agreed fully, what happened when the show came back from hiatus?

do you get the vibe (me and my buddy were just discussing this) that the writers and producers were all in a "Jim Breuer" state of mind when they were penning this and shooting the later half of the season?

what the hell kind of Season Finale is/was this?

not the show I fell in love with I'll tell you that much

unity768

05-14-2009, 09:25 PM

Ever since 6 it hasn't been able to be a consistently good show. It's a roller coaster ride every year- and I'm getting sick of it. I'll stick to consistent quality like Damages, Dexter, and True Blood. Even Supernatural out points Smallville in spots.

Stay Puft

05-14-2009, 09:30 PM

I just can't.......wow........that was horrible

EnderDeschain

05-14-2009, 11:18 PM

I thought it was alright up to the point where Clark leaped / flew Doomsday over the tunnel-things or whatever, drove him into the ground, there's a big explosion and then...cut to Chloe. Wha? Up to then, actually, I thought it was going quite well and was pretty amped about it. Clark telling Jimmy, I should've known what was coming after that, Jimmy was gonna die, but I was too busy thinking how cool it was. In that one moment of "always, CK" and "that was so cool!" they somehow got back to the Jimmy Olsen he should've been all along in a span of seconds. The one from that Red-Blue-Blur episode when he figured it out, when Jimmy was at his best. And then they killed him.

But it wasn't even necessarily that that fell flat. Having Davis be the one to kill Jimmy was actually very smart, and they could have played that out brilliantly. What they should've done was not killed Davis, and had him survive into next season somehow. Not necessarily as a Big-Time Villain, per se, but just as a dude that's seriously wounded Clark and his loved ones and who they have to keep dealing with. Even if he'd just gone to jail, that would have felt better than this. Being as it is, it all just feels like a very cheap way to kill off Jimmy.

And then that **** with "Clark Kent is dead." That was horrible. His whole "I'm gonna renounce my humanity" thing made me groan, and I'm really not looking forward to next season. Well, I am, I mean I ain't gonna stop watching it but if they're gonna go in the direction it looks like they're gonna go, then it's gonna suck.

Then again, remember at the end of last season how everyone said "that finale sucked, Lex isn't gonna be back, season 8 is gonna BLOW I WON'T WATCH IT!" And then it kicked ass. For a while. Maybe next season will do the same thing. And maybe this time they won't hose it all up.

As far as Zod, I don't consider that a bad thing. I don't know about anyone else, but I wasn't really satisfied with that whole Lex-as-Zod thing and thought they could've handled that a lot better. And also, they oughta have a full-season villain like Buffy used to do, one that sticks around for the whole season and builds up to a kick-ass showdown. Doomsday was kinda that, but not really. Not at all, really. Brainiac, that ****er was around for what like three seasons? 5, 6, and 7 I believe, but once again I didn't really feel like it was done as well as it could have been. Bleh. I'm rambling now. All in all yeah, they kinda dropped a lot of balls here (haha) but it coulda been a lot worse. It wasn't anywhere near as bad as the two season-destroying super-Lana episodes, anyway.

I maybe don't have to use blackouts since it aired, but better safe than shot in the face, that's my motto.

Neverending

05-14-2009, 11:29 PM

Where's Tornado? Is he crying in a corner somewhere?

Darth Maul

05-15-2009, 01:38 AM

where was the epic battle? they play red rover and that's it? All I said after that was not again. This finale was a real Low Blow In my opinion.

Neverending

05-15-2009, 01:39 AM

What happened to Chloe's healing powers? I don't remember her losing them.

Darth Maul

05-15-2009, 01:43 AM

It was all kinds of messed up, when they showed the coffin in the preview, i was oh so I guess they're doing the Jesus route for CK like in the Doomsday ARC, but nope, they decided to kill a ongoing character who really shouldn't have died :P

Tornado

05-15-2009, 02:13 AM

Hmm...

The Good:

The Clark/Doomsday fight was underwhelming, but at least it was there
Killing Jimmy off was dumb, but I did like that they didn't completely screw over the Superman loyalists (introducing Jimmy's true first name during the funeral, and then hinting at his brother being the true "Jimmy Olsen" we know)
Davis is dead, which was something I was really banking on - I just don't think he would have fit in Season 9
The Watchtower being established, should be pretty cool for next year
Zod's return - we knew it was happening from the teaser, but I'm still excited either way
No more Jimmy/Chloe/Davis love triangle!

The Bad:

Clark renouncing his humanity - a huge mistake for now, but he's only 21, and has plenty of time to realize his error
The Clark/Doomsday fight was really tame
I'm throwing this here even though I don't think it really 100% fits in either category - Clark sort of turning his back on Chloe; I don't particularly feel any remorse for her (outside of Jimmy's death) in this situation
Lois time-traveling, when we were under the impression that in order to travel you had to think of a year - what are the odds Lois picked up the ring and thought, "3001," or some other year?

Overall I thought it was an enjoyable episode/finale. Certainly not the best (probably Vessel, ironically also dealing with Zod), but far from the worst (Arctic for various reasons). I'd say.... probably a B+.

Spirited Away

05-15-2009, 02:48 AM

I'll give it 3/5. Bit underwhelming. The fight should have been much longer and more epic. It was wasted. I wasn't that excited by the pacing either. Very bits and pieces.

TBH I'm not particularly fond of Jimmy having a younger brother, who might grow up to be the Jimmy from the comics, as that means this Jimmy was based on a lie. But at least it's there for mythology die-hards.

EDIT: The funeral scene really is open to interpretation, because Jimmy has called himself "James Bartholomew Olsen" many times, and things like his ID card and paperwork all say it too. So they tacked on that extra scene really just to give "the mythos police" peace of mind, however, really, in the SV continuity, the REAL Jimmy Olsen died. Perhaps that's why they left the kid formally unnamed.

bbf2

05-15-2009, 04:56 AM

I actually liked the fact that they did the fakeout with Jimmy. I think when they introduced the character that he was supposed to be the real one, but after a few seasons of perversions and stuff there was absolutely no way that they could make the divorced pill-popping horny sometime-rival of Clark eventually become the bowtied "CK's pal" we all know. That was actually one of my main complaints of the past few seasons.

I thought for awhile they were going to do some time travel fakery or something where he lost memories in order to make him the naive younger bowtied cub photographer, but having the younger brother become the Jimmy Olson we all know makes a lot more sense. Especially since it makes the ages match up better.

Also, I liked the convo between Lois and the Red Blue Blur. Great foreshadowing of her future crush on Superman.

That being said, the whole "Clark Kent is dead" stuff really pissed me off. One of the things I liked most about this season was the fact that (the three Lana-centric episodes aside) Clark was really acting like Superman. Standing up to Oliver and the Legion in terms of not killing people, going out and being a hero all the time and a reporter by day, it was great. In a weird way, I was proud of him. And now it feels like the character is taking a step backwards. No need to introduce that angsty renouncing humanity bullcrap in the last three minutes just so you can have a cliffhanger....the Zod cliffhanger would have been good enough.

And Clark's plan to separate Davis from Doomsday and then send Doomsday into the future was actually the perfect plan, they just messed up since Clark wasn't there with the ring when the split happened. And then Chloe professing her love for Jimmy and denouncing Davis IN FRONT OF DAVIS was just her being stupid. So Clark beating himself up for being "wrong" is stupid. If Oliver, Chloe and the rest didn't act so ridiculous, jump the gun, disable Clark and then act stupid his plan would have been fine.

Also...why couldn't Chloe heal not-Jimmy with her healing powers? Because the writers forgot about those?

Neverending

05-15-2009, 05:11 AM

Also...why couldn't Chloe heal not-Jimmy with her healing powers? Because the writers forgot about those?

I doubt they forgot. They just wanted an excuse to introduce "real" Jimmy.

Stay Puft

05-15-2009, 06:38 AM

Also...why couldn't Chloe heal not-Jimmy with her healing powers? Because the writers forgot about those?

go rewatch the begining of the season. Chloe lost her healing powers in the first episode

bbf2

05-15-2009, 06:48 AM

go rewatch the begining of the season. Chloe lost her healing powers in the first episode

Oh, OK. I totally forgot about that. Sorry, these things blend together in my mind.

Oh, one other thing: What were Clark and Chloe talking about when they said Oliver, Dinah and Bart were "missing" or whatever? They were all at the funeral! Did they decide to go missing after they stopped by fake-Jimmy's funeral?

Spirited Away

05-15-2009, 06:53 AM

"Clark Kent" is dead, but "Kal-El" isn't. IMO Clark's gonna end up moving to the Fortress.

That means next year we're going to see Smallville even less - there's no farm, no Talon (now Chloe lives in Metropolis) - there's only the Luthor Mansion.

But my question is: who gets Shelby?

Stay Puft

05-15-2009, 06:54 AM

Oh, one other thing: What were Clark and Chloe talking about when they said Oliver, Dinah and Bart were "missing" or whatever? They were all at the funeral! Did they decide to go missing after they stopped by fake-Jimmy's funeral?

me and a buddy of mine were questioning the same thing. We believe it to be a cheap cop out to create a cliff hanger (for the the sake of a cliff hanger) that didn't make much sense at all

also, what else didn't make sense: how they got rid of Doomsday. Did they seriously just bury the monster in the dirt and we as viewers are lead to believe that will sustain him? Clark pile drives him 6 feet deep into the ground and that's it?.........bullets, knives, not even kryptonite will slay the beast but a bunch of dirt and gravel will?

anyone know if Doomsday is suppose to be a part of Season 9 or 10?

Spirited Away

05-15-2009, 06:59 AM

They were all at the funeral! Did they decide to go missing after they stopped by fake-Jimmy's funeral?
Must be a deleted scene. Expect it on the DVD/Blu-ray.

I'm actually quite pissed off about the pacing of the episode. So much so, I'm actually going to re-edit the episode, and upload it when I'm done.

Spirited Away

05-15-2009, 07:05 AM

One thing that the episode doesn't make clear is there's meant to be a cliffhanger about how the Orb was stolen from Tess, and how it returned.

Lois is obviously the way how. The question is, did she travel to the 31st Century? And who broke into Tess' safe? Rokk?

Stay Puft

05-15-2009, 07:13 AM

who the hell is Rokk?

bbf2

05-15-2009, 09:53 AM

Come to think of it, did they ever say that Michael Rosenbaum's character was Alexander Joseph Luthor? Cuz I mean, he knew Clark's secret, and he's dead....this would be a great time for another one of Lionel's illegitimate child to come back and reveal that Rosenbaum's character was actually William Alexander Luthor, and now "little A.J." is going to start calling himself "Lex" in his brother's honor and become the mortal enemy of the Red Blue Blur.

who the hell is Rokk?

The legion guy from the future who gave Clark the ring at the beginning of the episode.

Tornado

05-15-2009, 10:24 AM

also, what else didn't make sense: how they got rid of Doomsday. Did they seriously just bury the monster in the dirt and we as viewers are lead to believe that will sustain him? Clark pile drives him 6 feet deep into the ground and that's it?.........bullets, knives, not even kryptonite will slay the beast but a bunch of dirt and gravel will?

That was another thing that I loved. It makes perfect sense in the continuity of the Superman comics. Prior to the "Death of Superman" storyline, Doomsday had rampaged across the galaxy, but he was ultimately caught, harnessed, trapped in a casket and shot across space. He ultimately crashed on Earth, and the force of the impact drove his casket deep underground. He didn't break out until he fought the Justice League and Superman in the "Death of Superman" storyline. It makes perfect sense.

Also, the "tomb" they buried him in was a mile deep, not 6 feet.

Stay Puft

05-15-2009, 10:44 AM

That was another thing that I loved. It makes perfect sense in the continuity of the Superman comics. Prior to the "Death of Superman" storyline, Doomsday had rampaged across the galaxy, but he was ultimately caught, harnessed, trapped in a casket and shot across space. He ultimately crashed on Earth, and the force of the impact drove his casket deep underground. He didn't break out until he fought the Justice League and Superman in the "Death of Superman" storyline. It makes perfect sense.

Also, the "tomb" they buried him in was a mile deep, not 6 feet.

I'm still not buying it though

are we suppose to believe that the force from clark driving him into the ground along with the explosions are going to rendure him unconscience?

even in the comics, wouldn't he just dig his way out and start all over? Like, within 24 hours

are we as viewers literally suppose to just accept that, THAT'S IT, they drove him a mile deep into the ground and that's where he'll remain for years and years to come?

Tornado

05-15-2009, 11:02 AM

[shrugs shoulders] It's fine to me.

bbf2

05-15-2009, 11:09 AM

I'm still not buying it though

are we suppose to believe that the force from clark driving him into the ground along with the explosions are going to rendure him unconscience?

even in the comics, wouldn't he just dig his way out and start all over? Like, within 24 hours

are we as viewers literally suppose to just accept that, THAT'S IT, they drove him a mile deep into the ground and that's where he'll remain for years and years to come?

The hole wasn't just from the force of Clark driving him into the ground, it was dug earlier.

Yeah, burying him alive isn't perfect, but they acknowledged that and realized its their only option for now. Clearly it doesn't work forever because I'm sure he'll be back before the series finale...and if not, we know he rises at some point to fight Superman.

Spirited Away

05-15-2009, 01:05 PM

Doomsday will return during Season 9 at some point, just like all the villains.

Remember, Zod's his babydaddy.

Stay Puft

05-15-2009, 05:23 PM

Doomsday will return during Season 9 at some point, just like all the villains.

Remember, Zod's his babydaddy.

as long as he returns during 9 then it's all in the good. I just refuse to accept that a pile of dirt and rocks will stop him

in retrospect, I believe that to just be crap writing although they had 4 seperate ways of taking care of him, all acknowledged and shot down by seperate characters. Why the writers thought that burying him alive would make more sense than either sending him to the future, phantom zone or just beating him to death (a la the comics and animated movie) is beyond me.

not to mention that all season long they made Davis Bloom out to be this perfect saint and the creature his "evil side" and then all of a sudden, BAM! Davis was evil all along, all the black K did was seperate his human side from the beast, not the good from the evil

spare me

this show has just taken a turn for the absolute worse. I honestly don't know how some of these writers in Hollywood can be considered "professionals" and make the jack they make while there's people out there with more common sense than these jokers

messed up world we live in

EnderDeschain

05-16-2009, 12:49 AM

not to mention that all season long they made Davis Bloom out to be this perfect saint and the creature his "evil side" and then all of a sudden, BAM! Davis was evil all along, all the black K did was seperate his human side from the beast, not the good from the evil
spare me

I actually thought that was one of the couple things they did right with the finale. And he wasn't necessarily evil all along, I don't think, he just went nuts with jealousy and became an evil person, or at least wacky enough to do some evil things. That's an interesting thing for Clark to have to deal with, since he has all that faith in humanity and bleh and was working off the same supposition that you and everyone else was the entire time. But it turns out that people can be evil without the help of alien DNA or whatever. I thought it was a surprising and poignant twist, it was what came after that really ****ed the soup bowl. Clark's thirty-second 180 in attitude was way overdone and ruined any kind of serious development they could have done out of that. With Clark's renewed sense of purpose and optimism for humanity and crap, it would have been interesting to see him struggle to make what happened with Davis fit into that world-view. But instead the writers took the cheap copout route and made it completely change said world-view, at least temporarily. What crud.

I agree with your opinion on burying Doomsday, that was a really poor way to resolve things, but it doesn't bother me much. What does is how they laid the groundwork for some seriously cool **** with the Davis / Doomsday arc, and then squandered it in the span of one episode. The fight was underwhelming, the ultimate fate of Davis was a big misfire, and Jimmy dying seemed just thrown in there to add some emotional weight to an otherwise pretty standard finale. If Davis had stayed alive it would have been a lot more effective, as dealing with the aftermath could have made an interesting story in itself. But the way they did it, it seems like they said "we gotta kill Jimmy, but wanna minimalize the fallout so let's do it this way." Bleh.

Neverending

05-16-2009, 01:06 AM

did they ever say that Michael Rosenbaum's character was Alexander Joseph Luthor? Cuz I mean, he knew Clark's secret, and he's dead....this would be a great time for another one of Lionel's illegitimate child to come back and reveal that Rosenbaum's character was actually William Alexander Luthor, and now "little A.J." is going to start calling himself "Lex" in his brother's honor and become the mortal enemy of the Red Blue Blur.

Please. Don't give them any ideas.

FVD

05-16-2009, 02:44 AM

Yeah I'm not sure what to make of this finale. Lois suddenly disappearing with the ring from the future. Why didn't Clark just take the damn thing with him from the get go? It was indeed a well formulated plan but no it got screwed over.

Jimmy's younger brother possibly being the real Jimmy from the comics yes I suppose I can live with that but it's looks so last minute though. And illegitimate Lex Luthor number 2??? Please no. With all that Michael Rosenbaum worked to become after 7 Seasons why the bloody hell should that arc become a reality. :nono:

Overall an underwhelming finale. I'll continue to watch the show mainly for Lois. :D

Neverending

05-16-2009, 02:53 AM

Plus, I think Zatanna bringing back Lex would work fine. And she could do it by erasing his memory about anything Clark Kent related.

Spirited Away

05-16-2009, 08:34 AM

Well, it looks like Jimmy's death and the Doomsday fight were the way they were because of DC Comics, not PS3. Basically, if the writers want Superman, they'll also need to get rid of Chloe too:

http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/what-the-keck/smallvilles-doomsday-speaks-out-1142.html

I hate having a bunch of $hits, who have nothing to do with the show, decide key creative decisions. Like REALLY big decisions.

But it might be the only way Lois can be full-time in Season 9 [and 10], and more cameo appearances from the DC Universe.

Tornado

05-16-2009, 10:18 AM

I'm glad DC Comics is keeping the continuity in line to some extent. I hate that the show goes off on these wild tangents sometimes.

Stay Puft

05-16-2009, 12:32 PM

I'm glad DC Comics is keeping the continuity in line to some extent. I hate that the show goes off on these wild tangents sometimes.

gotta say I agree

after watching it a 2nd time and learning exactly WHY the finale was so choppy and that there was an X Factor (DC Comics) that came into play and made them alter a few things for the purpose of lining it up with the mythos, my opinion has slightly changed....for the better. Having them place Doomsday in the ground DOES INFACT sync it up to where he was found in the comics and even animated movie. Getting rid of Ashmore's Jimmy (although I loved his take on the character) and replacing him with one that's of the proper age from the comics/movies/cartoons is a step in the right direction as well.

and I doubt there's any worries with Lois as she'll be back in the proper time period and everything will return to normal by the 2nd episode of the season (like always).

and I believe the Clark we saw at the end was not the real Clark but infact Smallville's version of The Eradicator (hence the black clothing and complete change in character). I know they were at a funeral the scene previous to it but nobody knew Clark was there, so why the need to dress up in black if he's not "officially" attending it. Just off to the side

just an idea

ViRUs

05-16-2009, 01:16 PM

So, I've been busy so season 5 took a little bit longer than usual.

Anyways, I liked Season 5 quite a bit. There were quite a few fillers, but overall a pretty decent season.

I just saw "Reunion" in season six (its like the fifth episode in) and even though that particular episode wasnt that great, I do like the general direction of the season. I never was a big Green Arrow fan, but I will say that I think his character in the show is quite cool. He is a rich boy, but not really a jerk either. Anyways, I'll keep you posted as you know season 6 isn't that long so I should be back rather shortly.

Tornado

05-16-2009, 01:18 PM

Having them place Doomsday in the ground DOES INFACT sync it up to where he was found in the comics and even animated movie.

Told ya. ;)

FVD

05-16-2009, 06:15 PM

The more I think about Jimmy's little brother being the REAL Jimmy Olsen from the comics, the more I'm accepting of it now. That theory of Clark in Black being the Eradicator ain't a bad idea either.

The thing about Kandor that happened last week and now Zod is back, when is the Darkseid arc gonna happen I do wonder.

bbf2

05-16-2009, 07:36 PM

Well, it looks like Jimmy's death and the Doomsday fight were the way they were because of DC Comics, not PS3. Basically, if the writers want Superman, they'll also need to get rid of Chloe too:

http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/what-the-keck/smallvilles-doomsday-speaks-out-1142.html

He sounds pretty pissed off in that interview, maybe he isn't coming back to play General Zod like they originally planned and they're going with someone else.

Spirited Away

05-16-2009, 11:32 PM

He sounds pretty pissed off in that interview, maybe he isn't coming back to play General Zod like they originally planned and they're going with someone else.
Yeah, I think so too. It was definitely him in the trailer, but they cut most of it out.

I think PS3 were given the option of having a completely DC Comics filled seasons 9 and 10, or the same old same old. That's why they let DC essentially censor the finale.

But I was hoping for Lois and Clark's relationship to blossom, onscreen and before the tights. I guess that's not going to happen now...

DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE

05-17-2009, 12:10 AM

Surprisingly, I kind of enjoyed this finale. Aside from the weak excuse for a battle between Clark and Doomsday, I thought this episode found ways to bring the SV Universe back to a more recognizable form that the fans of the comic (like myself) know and love, and not so much like the one created for Smallville that has turned off some fans the past few seasons.
Maybe the circumstances that have put these events in motion weren't very well explained, maybe DC's involvement played a big part in the plot being so uneven.Whatever the case it worked for me.
When I first watched the episode on Thursday i missed the part where the Priest called Jimmy, Henry James Olsen..after re-watching it and seeing this I was like WOW something they did actually might make this work.
What I look forward to for next season (maybe a 10th?): 1). We may have a younger Jimmy 2.) Clark breaking ties with Chloe (does she get killed off in season 9?) will make him have to rely on his powers more than Chloe' google searches and 3.)Clark renouncing his humanity, possibly makes him more focused on doing what it takes to become a better hero.
I'd love to have this be the beginning of Clark going to the Fortress (do you think the writers are brave enough to let a few years pass by between the end of season 8 and 9?), possibly for seclusion and to find out more about his Kryptonian side. Maybe something tragic, like the death of a close friend (at the hands of Doomsday or maybe Zod?) brings Kal's human side back to life, and Clark returns to deal with these Villains better prepared (flying would be nice) to defeat them.
I'm not sure how Lois time traveling will effect next season, hopefully it will be explained not just forgotten.

Best case scenario is they ditch the no tights, no flights mantra and Clark completes his journey and we get the REAL Superman by the series/season finale, at least now the characters are starting to come into better focus. Hell I'm so giddy I'd even like this to go to the big screen after season 9, maybe Welling will realize this is all he's good at and finally sign on for a movie.
But, knowing the writers tendency to disappoint, I'm sure we'll get some lame black Kryptonite excuse or maybe that was Bizzaro at the end of the Season finale and the real Clark is buried with Doomsday. These are much more likely to happen than what I posted above, but hey, a guy can dream can't he?

Neverending

05-17-2009, 02:10 AM

I'm glad DC Comics is keeping the continuity in line to some extent. I hate that the show goes off on these wild tangents sometimes.

Personally, I find it rather amusing that there problem was Jimmy's age when there's like a 100 different, and more important, things that this show has done that slaps the comics in the face.

Oh, DC. This is why Marvel is kicking your butt.

Stay Puft

05-17-2009, 08:31 AM

anyone else under the impression that DC Comics are just plain ol' being bullies to the producers and writers of Smallville?

how come DC didn't have a problem with the Jimmy character from the start? As I recall, DC had to over see and approve of all characters used, character changes, and pretty much any liberties taken before it can be brought to the filming stages. If this is true, why have they never stepped in and opened their mouthes in the past about a number of things? Making Pete black doesn't sync up with the mythos...having Martha move to Washington as a senator of the United States doesn't sync up with the mythos.....Clark being afraid of heights? (Don't recall the man of steel EVER quivering at the thought of being more than a few feet in the air, yet he's scared ****less in Season 7 when Kara tried to get him to jump out the barn window, or turning Lana into the Kryptonite Queen)......none of these liberties bothered DC comics?

can someone say BULLIES? I mean, it's ok for Nolan to take liberties with the Joker, add his own character (rachel dawes), and pretty much do whatever the hell he wants, even going as far as allowing the guy to keep Bruce/Bats off of Smallville (which Nolan has no business with in the first place, not his show) but since he's making the WB and DC millions of dollars, and has the highest grossing movie next to Titanic........it's ok?

or how about not opening their mouths the entire time "Al Gough and Miles Miller" were running the show? Oh I forgot, these guys are also big hollywood names and write movies as well (The Mummy series), so it's ok. But when they jump ship and have a bunch of no names (little guys) take over the show, THAT'S WHEN DC Comics have the balls to step in and say something?

pathetic

so because PS3 aren't as big of names as Gough, Miller or Nolan, DC has the audacity to step in and ruin the Season 8 finale after the producers/writers/actors worked so hard building up a completley different vision. They were off to such a solid start during the first half of the season, I really would have LOVED to see what they "PS3" actually had planned for the finale before being treated with such disrespect

for shame DC Comics.....for shame

Spirited Away

05-17-2009, 01:03 PM

I think SV's popularity is its own un-doing. With no Superman movie in production for at least another couple of years, SV has become the "face" of the franchise. That's the only reason I can think of them allowing Lois full-time for the next two seasons, the Justice League becoming a season long plot, and things like Kandor. In return, DC have key creative say.

This whole thing makes sense of DC Comics' comments, about SV, a few weeks back.

But I don't understand why they said no to the Doomsday showdown, but yes to things like the Watchtower and Zod appearing in physical form (they said no last time, hence the Lex take-over). I really hope it's part of some large plan to have him appear next season, when the whole Justice League is formed (and hopefully Clark has a costume).
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Now a completely different topic: if the Justice League is to become a season-long arc, the show really needs to undergo a re-formatting for next season.

I think the show's strongest moments come from when they have the light comedic moments between Lois & Clark, but I think it really fails at making Metropolis more than just a backdrop for the characters. That's perhaps why Bulletproof is so popular (despite Lana), because it showed us life in Metropolis OUTSIDE THE INNER CIRCLE. From the cops' perspectives.

SV needs to copy The Dark Knight a bit, and have more interaction between the civilians/people of Metropolis, and the superheroes. Otherwise having the Justice League around fighting crime and saving the day, without any tension, will turn stale quickly.

John Jones really needs to become a lead character, because they've set him up perfectly to be the bridge between society and the Watchtower. Same goes for Professor Hamilton.

I hope Phil Morris and Alessandro Juliani are added to the cast, or at least in more recurring roles.

Neverending

05-17-2009, 11:28 PM

I think people are giving DC too much credit. WB is the parent company. They can over-rule them. Smallville has committed enough crimes on the comics to know that DC doesn't have as much pull as people claim. You have to remember that the CW, owned by WB and CBS, have a demographic to appeal to. And that demographic comes first. Hence all the Lana b.s. CW, and WB Channel before it, were teen chick channels with shows like Dawson's Creeks and (now) Gossip Girls. They want Smallville to appeal as much to females as comic book geeks. Which is also explains the love triangle between Chloe, Jimmy, and Davis this season. It's the type of nonsense that chicks like.

Tornado

05-17-2009, 11:34 PM

Now a completely different topic: if the Justice League is to become a season-long arc, the show really needs to undergo a re-formatting for next season.

I think the show's strongest moments come from when they have the light comedic moments between Lois & Clark, but I think it really fails at making Metropolis more than just a backdrop for the characters. That's perhaps why Bulletproof is so popular (despite Lana), because it showed us life in Metropolis OUTSIDE THE INNER CIRCLE. From the cops' perspectives.

SV needs to copy The Dark Knight a bit, and have more interaction between the civilians/people of Metropolis, and the superheroes. Otherwise having the Justice League around fighting crime and saving the day, without any tension, will turn stale quickly.

John Jones really needs to become a lead character, because they've set him up perfectly to be the bridge between society and the Watchtower. Same goes for Professor Hamilton.

I hope Phil Morris and Alessandro Juliani are added to the cast, or at least in more recurring roles.

I agree with most of what you said, but Bulletproof is far from a 'popular' episode. It was quite mediocre, actually.

bbf2

05-20-2009, 04:15 AM

The thing about Kandor that happened last week and now Zod is back, when is the Darkseid arc gonna happen I do wonder.

Is there anything more guaranteed than the fact that, when they introduce Darkseid, he will have a human form who has intense stare-offs with Clark (the only one who doesn't trust him) and falls for one of the female leads?

Female lead character: "Clark, meet my new boyfriend.....Dirk Sanders."

Clark: "Pleased to meet you, Dirk." (intense glare)

Dirk: "Nice to meet you, Clark. Something tells me we'll be seeing a lot of each other." (intense stare)

Clark: "I'm looking forward to it. Boy, sure have been a lot of strange things going on in Metropolis, lately...but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?"

(Dirk is walking away from Clark, facing away from him, but stops in the doorway)
Dirk: "I have no idea what you're talking about. But if things have been strange...well, let's hope its not the first signs of the apocalypse." (walks away)

Spirited Away

05-20-2009, 03:12 PM

Neverending

05-20-2009, 03:39 PM

It will be properly announced tomorrow, but:

SMALLVILLE moving to Fridays at 8/7c!

It should do okay, the only real competition it faces is from Ghost Whisperer and whatever's on SyFy.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3iffc06e063f84acf6cdc7b63bbb326345

It's official. Season 9 will be the last. Friday is a HORRIBLE time slot. This show's target audience is teenagers. Teenagers! They go out on Friday night. Man, CW wants to kill this show to put Gossip Girls in the spotlight. :mad:

Spirited Away

05-20-2009, 04:51 PM

Teenagers! They go out on Friday night. Man, CW wants to kill this show to put Gossip Girls in the spotlight. :mad:
Not quite. Back in 2007, the CW said the average Smallville female viewer was 38 years old, and the average male was 34. Taking those number, and updating them for 2009, unless its common practice in the US for 40 year old women ("cougars"?) and 36 year old guys to go clubbing, I don't think SV has much to worry about.

Craig (a.k.a. KryptonSite) thinks the move will increase ratings, as the show would otherwise have to compete against Bones, Flashforward, Survivor: Samoa, and SNL/Community/Parks and Recreation. Now its only competition is Ghost Whisperer, Supernanny, Brothers/'Til Death and Law & Order. Only the former poses competition.

As long as the CW market the show's new timeslot and appeal to older audiences, who don't go out on Fridays, it'll do fine. Plus it airs at 8pm - who goes clubbing that early?

Neverending

05-20-2009, 06:14 PM

Back in 2007, the CW said the average Smallville female viewer was 38 years old, and the average male was 34.

And they haven't cancelled it yet? :confused: It is well-known that the CW's target audience (which was WB's one as well) is teenage girls. So, I don't know how they've kept the show on for so long if it doesn't even attract their target demographic.

Ghost Whisperer

There's no way this show is gonna beat Jennifer Love Hewitt's clevage!

Spirited Away

05-20-2009, 07:09 PM

And they haven't cancelled it yet? :confused: It is well-known that the CW's target audience (which was WB's one as well) is teenage girls. So, I don't know how they've kept the show on for so long if it doesn't even attract their target demographic.
It's always been because of the ratings. It may not be in the right demo (i.e. 14 to 28) but high ratings are high ratings.

Doesn't matter what day it is, the show will still pull in 3 to 4 million core viewers, and that lifts the network's average viewership from 1.8 million to about 2.4 million. Seriously, the CW wouldn't survive if it wasn't for Smallville, America's Next Top Model and (to a lesser extent) Supernatural.

SV's always been off-demo, hence the numerous attempts during its early years to try and make the show more like a teen drama. They stopped trying so hard Season 5 onwards, and in Season 8, they just stopped altogether.

I mean, us fans know Clark and Chloe are 22, and Lois is around 24, but this last season they all act like mature 30+ adults, without a single trace of youth.

As long as the CW market the show properly, and get more older viewers tuning in, the show can easily prosper in a move to Fridays.

Spirited Away

05-20-2009, 07:19 PM

There's no way this show is gonna beat Jennifer Love Hewitt's clevage!
SV will never beat Ghost Whisperer, but it still needs to fight hard, because the audiences of both series naturally overlap, and more people are likely to tune into GW not SV.

But SV has a real benefit of being the only action-orientated series on TV at 8pm. Though Terminator/Prison Break only drew 3 to 4 million viewers, those numbers added to SV fanbase would give the show a major jolt in ratings.

Again, really depends on the changes the writers make to the series, and how the CW markets it. Season 8's marketing was horrendous: the season's teaser poster didn't even come out until 2 weeks AFTER broadcast, and the photoshoot didn't happen until November, with some of the images not even being released until February!! :(

Tornado

05-21-2009, 12:46 AM

I'm a little irked by the move, as I've gotten used to Thursdays at 7, but this is fine too. I probably won't watch it on TV anymore, but I always prefer to watch my shows commercial-free on my laptop anyway.

unity768

05-21-2009, 01:03 AM

Fri night = death trap

Tornado

05-21-2009, 01:10 AM

That's fine by me. If it were up to me, Season 9 would be it.

DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE

05-21-2009, 01:40 AM

I like the move personally. Maybe because I'm an old man at 34, but I almost overload my DVR trying to record all the shows I watch on Thursdays (Smallville,Hell's Kitchen,The Office,30 Rock,Burn Notice). Fridays will be a better fit for me anyways.
Hopefully the move speaks to the way things were changed in the finale and next season and hopefully a 10th will be an even more grown up version of Smallville. I think if most core viewers (like myself,even though I can be very critical at times) have put up with some of the crap the SV brain trust have put out before I'm sure a move to Friday won't cause Smallville's strong ratings to drop too much.

Stay Puft

05-21-2009, 03:41 AM

yea, most of the people that I know that watch smallville don't even know Ghost Whisper exists's, believe me, it's not going to be fighting for the ratings with that one. The demographic couldn't be more seperate from each other. Doubt there's ANY Smallville fan that watches that crap

as for the Friday night thing. Again, most of the people that I know or talk to that enjoy Smallville hardly watch the new episode's as they air anyway so this isn't going to change a thing, around here anyway

bbf2

05-21-2009, 03:43 AM

In college, more people go out on Thursday nights than Friday nights. I mean people go out on Fridays too, but Thursday has become the biggest party night. I feel like most people have DVRs anyway.

Tornado

05-21-2009, 11:54 AM

From K-Site:

Smallville
Season 9: The CW's Official Description!

The CW has issued a press release detailing the ninth season of Smallville and confirming the show's move to Friday nights at 8PM starting this Fall.

You can find it below:

8:00-9:00 P.M. “SMALLVILLE”

Returning for its ninth season, last season SMALLVILLE was filled with twists and surprises, starting with the disappearance of Lex Luthor. However, someone quickly arrived to take his place – the enticing Tess Mercer.

As Tess maneuvered her way through town, she flirted with her old flame Oliver Queen, discovered Clark’s true identity and unleashed a new world of danger. As if that hurdle wasn’t enough for Clark, he also met his greatest match – Doomsday. SMALLVILLE explored the origins of Doomsday, revealing a sympathetic guy named Davis Bloome, who battled an inner demon – the Doomsday character fans have loved to hate for years. When Clark wasn’t busy battling the beast, he was knee-deep in work at the Daily Planet. Last season threw Clark and Lois Lane together – literally across the desk from each other. As Clark’s persona as the cub Planet reporter emerged, so did his feelings for Lois, the fated love of his life. The series stars Tom Welling as Clark Kent, Allison Mack as Chloe Sullivan, Erica Durance as Lois Lane, Justin Hartley as Oliver Queen and Cassidy Freeman as Tess Mercer. Reinterpreting the Superman mythology from its roots, SMALLVILLE was developed for television by Alfred Gough & Miles Millar (“Shanghai Noon,” “The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor”), based on the DC Comics characters. Kelly Souders & Brian Peterson serve as executive producers, along with James Marshall, Mike Tollin, Brian Robbins and Joe Davola. The series is produced by Tollin/Robbins Productions and Warner Bros. Television. Let's see who copies and pastes this from KryptonSite without a link. SUPERMAN was created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster.

I don't quite understand how this is a Season 9 write-up as it doesn't say anything about Season 9 itself, but there it is.

Spirited Away

05-21-2009, 12:05 PM

We have a confirmed cast. And because Justin Hartley and Cassidy freeman are paid by the CW, not WB, the show is now only paying for 3 actors (instead of 5, as with S8). But I'm sure we'll get at least one more full time cast member.

Spirited Away

05-21-2009, 02:39 PM

Dawn Ostroff apparently said at the CW Upfront that she wants a Season 10.

https://twitter.com/EWAusielloFiles/status/1872454955

WuTical

05-21-2009, 06:15 PM

Can't believe they moved the show to Fridays.

Spirited Away

05-21-2009, 06:18 PM

To be fair to the network, Vampire Diaries is a much better fit with Supernatural than Smallville.

Spirited Away

05-21-2009, 08:32 PM

No, it's not the last season. Hopefully not.
http://blog.zap2it.com/korbitv/2009/05/cw-upfront-notes-smallville-supernatural-90210melrose-crossovers.html

Says it all, really.

Neverending

05-22-2009, 02:18 AM

It's always been because of the ratings. It may not be in the right demo (i.e. 14 to 28) but high ratings are high ratings.

Ratings only matter when you have a top 10 show. CW and Smallville are in the bottom. For them it isn't about ratings. It is about advertisers. Hence why the target demographic is so important.

Moving this show to Friday is basically killing it.

They stopped trying so hard Season 5 onwards, and in Season 8, they just stopped altogether.

No, they haven't. That whole Lana b.s. is an attempt to attract teenage girls. As well as the Chloe, Jimmy, and Davis love-triangle.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be romance on the show, but they clearly over do it cause the show is on CW.

most of the people that I know or talk to that enjoy Smallville hardly watch the new episode's as they air anyway so this isn't going to change a thing, around here anyway

Yea, but that doesn't help the ratings. And the show isn't on any legit websites. So, CW isn't making any cash. Especially since the show isn't even on syndication anymore.

In college, more people go out on Thursday nights than Friday nights.

Kids these days...

Spirited Away

05-22-2009, 02:50 AM

No, they haven't. That whole Lana b.s. is an attempt to attract teenage girls. As well as the Chloe, Jimmy, and Davis love-triangle.
Teenage girls would never tune in for that. "Lexana", "Chimmy" and "Chlovis" were created to lure in adult females, not 13 to 18 year old girls.

Spirited Away

05-22-2009, 03:54 AM

Yea, but that doesn't help the ratings. And the show isn't on any legit websites. So, CW isn't making any cash. Especially since the show isn't even on syndication anymore.
The CW, as its own entity, only makes money from SV's first-run TV broadcasts. WB gets the rest, and as they co-own The CW, it's all good. Points to remember:

- Smallville is one of the best selling TV shows on DVD of all time (I know the official WB estimates, obviously can't say them, but its approaching 10M units sold worldwide).

- Smallville broadcasts in 72 territories worldwide, with places like the UK even having three different syndication schedules at a time.

- Smallville is regularly a Top 5 show on iTunes and Amazon Unbox.

- And the CW's unique deal with WB means they only pay $33M per season (Warner Bros. pay for the rest of the budget), but get 80% of the TV revenue.

Season 8 made $75,000 on average per 30 second ad, and $40,000 during repeats. Quick math: 49.5M (22 first-run eps) + 14.4M (12 repeats) = $63.9M in advertising revenue.

The CW claim 80% of that (= $51.12M), and if you minus production costs and the standard 10% spent on marketing, the CW made $14.2M pure profit from Smallville Season 8. Whilst it doesn't sound like a lot, it's important to note:

(A) Because the CW pays for so little of the show, they have to charge less for their advertising slots, otherwise advertisers simply won't pay for it.

(B) Half of the CW is Warner Bros, and if you draw up our table of figures:

$(-)33M production costs
+ $12.78M from the CW TV broadcasts
+ $25M from international sales to 72 territories
+ $35M from DVD/Blu-ray sales (estimated using S7 sales figures)
+ $1M (or so) from digital downloads
+ $8.8M from the eventual double-value syndication package made possible with 200 episodes
= $49.58M gross profit for WB Studios from Season 8 alone

Of course, a lot of this gets shared between key cast and crew, who are paid deferred fees in return for gross revenue shares, but it's a sizable profit none-the-less.

Jeez, sorry if the above confuses you, but the point is, the CW and more importantly WB make a lot of money from SV, and Season 10 is more than likely.

Neverending

05-22-2009, 06:02 AM

Teenage girls would never tune in for that. "Lexana", "Chimmy" and "Chlovis" were created to lure in adult females, not 13 to 18 year old girls.

That stuff isn't any different than what you get on Gossip Girls, teen romance drama. Think about it: You had Clark & Lois foreshadowing their relationship (the ONLY one that SHOULD be on the show), the return of the Clark-Lana b.s., the Chloe-Jimmy-Davis love triangle, and (for a few episodes) Oliver and Tess. That's a lot of romance drama for what's supposed to be an adaptation of a comic book for males. But when you think about it...it's no different than your typical CW/WB show. This goes back to Dawson's Greek in the `90s.

Spirited Away

05-22-2009, 02:13 PM

I still say it's different, because the characters aren't teenagers, and their romances weren't played out as "sexy, exciting and fun" but as "sad, depressing and Machiavellian".

Yes, the show has many romantic subplots, but it's not because it wants to appeal to teenage girls, it's to lure in adult females. The same logic was/is applied to BSG and Lost.

Of course, because SV isn't an "event"-like series (it's not about robots vs. humans, or a mysterious island) and is about character relationships and dynamics, the romance plots standout more than usual.

But at the end of the day, the show's still on TV, so it's been doing something right, in getting balance between appealing to males and females.

Tornado

05-22-2009, 03:13 PM

Of course, because SV isn't an "event"-like series (it's not about robots vs. humans, or a mysterious island) and is about character relationships and dynamics, the romance plots standout more than usual.

BSG and Lost are character dramas too. The reason the romance plots stand out more on Smallville is because the producers choose to focus on those plots, rather than on the development of the characters themselves.

sshuttari

05-23-2009, 10:49 AM

Isn't Smallville getting another set of showrunners next season? First the creators left. and then the new showrunners left to create another series. If the new guys are smart, they should state that season 9 is the final season before the cancellation axe comes...or even to bring back the fans for a final flight.

Tornado

05-23-2009, 11:02 AM

No, there aren't new showrunners this year. Slavkin and Swimmer left to run... the new Melrose Place, I think, but Brian Peterson and Kelly Souders stayed on to continue running the show.

Spirited Away

05-23-2009, 12:28 PM

They're still planning the story for Season 9, and given the season-long subplot about the Justice League, there is plenty of room for even more DC Comics guest appearances. My wish-list for S9 is:

- Martian Manhunter is a new lead character
- Aquaman, Black Canary, Impulse and Cyborg in recurring roles
- Kara (for a multi-episode stint involving Kandor)
- Zatanna (bringing her back for an episode)
- Darkseid (revealed in mid-season finale)
- Wonder Woman (only if Darkseid is villain)
and
- Batwoman (mid-season premiere, with Harley Quinn as the villain terrorising both Gotham and Metropolis).

We're never going to get Batman, but are DC as protective about Batwoman? Surely not, because it's a new character, and an appearance on SV would sell more comics and raise the profile. Same goes for Wonder Woman, who's just gone M.I.A. in terms of relevance in pop-culture.