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Tornado

04-13-2006, 04:45 PM

All right, these have been available for a while, but this thread got kind of sidetracked so I'll post them all (again for some of them):

518 - FRAGILE

TOM WELLING’S DIRECTORIAL DEBUT — Clark (Tom Welling) and Martha (Annette O’Toole) take in a little girl, Maddie (guest star Emily Herst), after her foster mother is brutally stabbed to death. However, after it is discovered that Maddie has the power to shatter glass, she becomes the prime suspect. Meanwhile, Chloe (Allison Mack) walks in on Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) and Lana (Kristin Kreuk) during an intimate moment... Erica Durance also stars. The episode was written by Todd Slavkin & Darren Swimmer and directed by Tom Welling (#2T6418).

519 - MERCY

MARTHA’S LIFE IS IN DANGER AND ONLY LIONEL CAN SAVE HER — A masked tormentor (guest star Ian Tracey) takes Lionel (John Glover) hostage and orchestrates a series of elaborate games that Lionel must win in order to stay alive. After Clark (Tom Welling) tells Martha (Annette O’Toole) that Lionel knows his secret, she sets out to confront him, but inadvertently becomes a pawn in the tormentor’s game and ends up fighting for her life. Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance and Allison Mack also star... The episode was written by Steven DeKnight and directed by James Marshall (#2T6419).

520 - FADE

CLARK CONFRONTS LANA ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP WITH LEX — While in Metropolis, Clark (Tom Welling) saves the life of a stranger named Graham., who vows to repay Clark for his kindness. Unfortunately, Graham happens to be a hit man with the ability to cloak himself, and he decides killing Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) would be the best gift he could give Clark. Meanwhile, Clark confronts Lana (Kristin Kreuk) about her relationship with Lex. Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover and Annette O’Toole also star. The episode was written by Al Septien & Turi Meyer and directed by Terrence O’Hara (#2T6420).

521 - ORACLE

CLARK IS VISITED BY JONATHAN’S GHOST — Clark (Tom Welling) is stunned when he sees his father’s ghost (John Schneider) at the graveyard, but becomes even more confused after Jonathan tells him he must kill Lionel (John Glover). Meanwhile, Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) develops a vaccine for Fine’s (guest star James Marsters) deadly virus, but Fine intervenes and injects him with the vaccine, which causes a shocking reaction in Lex. Kristin Kreuk, Erica Durance, Allison Mack and Annette O’Toole also star.. The episode was written by Caroline Dries and directed by Whitney Ransick (#2T6421).

522 - VESSEL

N/A

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I think all of these episodes sound fantastic, so I personally feel this might be the strongest season ending set of episodes, possibly ever.

boydston_14

04-13-2006, 06:27 PM

Oracle sounds the best to me. But one question: why would Clark see Jonathan's ghost if he's not injected with that kryptonite? I smell Hamlet.

Tornado

04-13-2006, 06:43 PM

But one question: why would Clark see Jonathan's ghost if he's not injected with that kryptonite? I smell Hamlet.

Personally, I'm thinking it's Professor Fine trying to finish off Lionel, maybe he knows that Jor-El inhabits the body from time to time or something.

Alien

04-13-2006, 07:49 PM

Not complianing but shouldn't that be spoilers, maybe, maybe not?

Jonathan again? He's dead, now go away...

boydston_14

04-13-2006, 11:06 PM

Personally, I'm thinking it's Professor Fine trying to finish off Lionel, maybe he knows that Jor-El inhabits the body from time to time or something.

I like the idea, I should have thought about that. Anyway, on a different note, I missed the first half of the episode tonight. What happened in the first half, 'cause I started watching when The girl's dad shattered that guy's glasses

the elmo zombie

04-14-2006, 01:32 AM

i didnt like tonights very much. the acting was pretty bad. directing may not be for welling. no advancments in plot untill the last 3 minutes. next week looks good though

Neverending

04-14-2006, 03:42 AM

i think WB/DC is preventing them from doing that due to the upcoming film.

K-SITE: You've got a defined goal for Clark and Lex. Do you have a defined goal for where Lois will end up?

GOUGH: We do. Lois has always been interesting because we don't want to rub up against the movie too much, so there have been certain restrictions on Lois and Clark's relationship that we'd love to play out that we hope, once the movie is out, we'll be able to do. But yes, we have a plan for Lois, but then we have an alternate plan as well. [laughs]
http://www.kryptonsite.com/gough0106.htm

I don't see what that has to do with anything. I really don't wanna see a romance between Lois & Clark because Lois loves Superman and not Clark Kent but I wanna see more screentime with the two. And, I also want to see them get into journalism. Why hasn't Clark joined the college newspaper and started to write some articles and do some reporting? When is Lois going to get involved? Thats what they need to start focusing on.

bbf2

04-14-2006, 06:44 AM

Wow, Lana can't even be single for three episodes.

Tornado

04-14-2006, 08:57 AM

Jonathan again? He's dead, now go away...

I'd actually prefer to see Jonathan as much as possible. He's a key element to Clark's growth and development into Superman.

518 - FRAGILE

I really liked this episode. A lot. And I immediately find that notion kind of strange. Me, really liking a Freak of the Week episode? While the main plot didn't revolve around anything that will continue for the rest of the season, we finally got to see Lex and Lana hook up. I've kind of been hoping for that since Clark and Lana broke up. It's something new, Lex will get more screentime, and the show doesn't have to introduce more one-time only characters to piss away after they get together with Lana for a while (such as Ian from 209 - Dichotic or Seth from 307 - Magnetic).

Then we have the main plot with Clark, Maddie, and her father. For a throw-away episode, I found this plot to be pretty well done to be quite honest. Maddie reminded me a lot of Ryan from 116 - Stray and 208 - Ryan. But there was one key difference, Ryan saw Clark as a brother, Maddie saw Clark as a dad. I know that a lot of people thought it was probably pretty corny, but I thought it was great. It showed the maturity that Clark has developed during these past five seasons, and I'm all for Clark showing more maturity from time to time.

8/10

Next week's episode looks kind of strange, so I'm really looking forward to it of course.

Alien

04-14-2006, 10:12 AM

I'd actually prefer to see Jonathan as much as possible. He's a key element to Clark's growth and development into Superman.
Nah, don't get me wrong, I like Jonathan, but they killed him, he needs to go now. If they wanted to keep Jonathan around then they shouldn't have killed him off. Just wait next it'll turn out that Jonathan is in suspended animation and it was some sort of Jor-El clone that died.

Tornado

04-14-2006, 10:17 AM

Nah, don't get me wrong, I like Jonathan, but they killed him, he needs to go now.

And I disagree. I think his appearances should become much smaller in number now that he's gone, but I don't mind the ways in which he's popping up now. He's been in two episodes since his death. One was in a video in 513 - Vengeance, and the second was when Clark "died" in 517 - Void. He'll show up again a few times more this season I'm sure, but once this season is over I'm guessing that's pretty much going to be it, aside from maybe one more appearance before the series finale.

Alien

04-14-2006, 10:32 AM

Seeing videos and photos of Jonathan in the show I quite like, it's kinda real. Showing up in the show is just crap.

Tornado

04-14-2006, 10:40 AM

Showing up in the show is just crap.

Well, think what you will I guess.

boydston_14

04-14-2006, 02:36 PM

What happened to the dad at the end? Where'd he go? they didn't explain what happened to him at all, though my guess would be he's back in Belle Reeve.

GreenvilleTexan

04-14-2006, 03:43 PM

Well, we would assume that was the case. But it is like I said earlier, the Smallville PD probably has a folder on Clark/Lana/Chloe/Lois/Lex which is three inches thick by now, what with all the dead bodies, mysterious disappearances/reappearances. You'd also wonder if somebody out there might have noticed that the son of a state senator is tied into all the above.
I thought the young actress did a great job and Tom Welling didn't too shabby in his directorial debut.

Tornado

04-18-2006, 09:03 PM

Pretty cool new clip up over at TV.com:

http://www.tv.com/smallville/show/1718/videos.html

FVD

04-19-2006, 01:53 PM

Good episode last week. That Maddie girl once she got her hair changed started to remind me of Emma Watson with a bit of Rachel McAdams.

As for Jonathan. I loved his little appearance in the Void episode. I think little random appearances like that would be awesome. He's played the father role to Clark beautifully. It's been most moving.

boydston_14

04-19-2006, 07:12 PM

Tomorrow's episode looks pretty good, I can't wait to see what'll happen, though part of me says that it'll just be another episode. I hope though (and after all the rumors about the episode, i doubt it) that the episode has Mercy Graves in it.

the elmo zombie

04-19-2006, 08:04 PM

That Maddie girl once she got her hair changed started to remind me of Emma Watson with a bit of Rachel McAdams.

i thought the same thing. she did look like emma watson

insaneMoViEgoer

04-19-2006, 08:11 PM

i didnt know Saw 3 was coming out tomorrow :P

the elmo zombie

04-19-2006, 08:13 PM

huh?

insaneMoViEgoer

04-19-2006, 08:14 PM

the episode looks and sounds a little bit like Saw

the elmo zombie

04-19-2006, 08:16 PM

oh with the whole water thingy i get it

Tornado

04-20-2006, 07:35 AM

Another new preview (pretty spoilerish):

http://www.citytv.com/vancouver/tvshows_smallville.aspx

This episode looks awesome, I really can't wait for it.

519 - MERCY

MARTHA’S LIFE IS IN DANGER AND ONLY LIONEL CAN SAVE HER — A masked tormentor (guest star Ian Tracey) takes Lionel (John Glover) hostage and orchestrates a series of elaborate games that Lionel must win in order to stay alive. After Clark (Tom Welling) tells Martha (Annette O’Toole) that Lionel knows his secret, she sets out to confront him, but inadvertently becomes a pawn in the tormentor’s game and ends up fighting for her life. Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance and Allison Mack also star... The episode was written by Steven DeKnight and directed by James Marshall (#2T6419).

WuTical

04-20-2006, 03:51 PM

tonight's episode might be alright...not expecting much

WuTical

04-20-2006, 05:33 PM

Description of season finale

In the fifth-season finale, Clark's Kryptonian origins sow seeds of sorrow and destruction on Earth as forces affecting Lex, Lionel, Lana and Clark are set in motion, culminating in the moment for which all his trials have prepared him.

Tornado

04-20-2006, 09:33 PM

Sorry for the long post, there was a lot I wanted to cover. ;)

519 - MERCY

I really liked this episode, for a number of reasons. A lot of things happened in this episode that I think will change the course of the season, and all for the better in my opinion. To be honest, most shows don't have a lot of depth to them. Most of them (I'm saying most, because some are pretty complex I'll admit) revolve around a cold opening jump-starting the plot, the credits, Clark finding out about the problem, Clark and Chloe jump through some hoops to find out what needs to be done, Clark saves the day, throw in an obligatory scene with Lex, Lana, or Lex and Lana, and that's pretty much most episodes in a nutshell. But not this one. Even the title can be examined. Mercy. Throughout most of it, I figured the "Mercy" was just a reference to the No Mercy theme thrown about throughout the episode. But after seeing the end, I'd prefer to think of it as Clark's mercy towards Lionel. But maybe that's just me.

While I wasn't that big of a fan of the overall plot of the show, I am happy that other things happened too. I like watching episodes with main plots that will affect somebody in the long run. I don't really see Lionel changing because of this whole ordeal to be honest; I think he's realized a few things from it, but I don't think his attitude towards the business world has changed at all. But my only real main problem with the plot was its predictability. I knew, I was absolutely positive, that the moment we saw the security guy at the beginning and how Lionel treated him that he was the guy on the tape. Oh well. Also a great quote from Lionel was thrown in there, about how Clark is the man the world needs. Nice touch. I just hope I'm reading too much into the ending of the episode (more on that later) for Lionel's sake.

Lex was kind of under-used in this episode I thought. But it is kind of funny at the same time. His father is essentially being held hostage, and you can tell that Lex probably doesn't care at all. I'm kind of hoping that he and Lana don't fall apart before they're even together, but I guess I don't really care all that much either way. I'm also hoping that the plot kind of takes a turn back into the stylings of Seasons One through Three in which Lex questioned Clark on pretty much everything he does. I've always kind of loved the idea of "Does Lex know?" that the show had going for a while, and they just kind of dropped it completely this season. Nice to see it was at least re-visited, if only for this show.

Quick note, but it was really nice to see Clark using his powers more than once in an episode again. I counted at least four times. He x-rayed the statuette, he super-sped to the building Lionel and Martha were in, he bust through the concrete wall (which brought back fond memories from the Superman TV show with Dean Cain), and then he caught the elevator (also nice, especially with Lionel's reaction afterward).

I thought it was great seeing Clark stand up to Lionel at the end there. It's not often we get to see Clark genuinely ticked off at something, usually he's pretty much indifferent about everything. I seem to remember Clark throwing Lionel across the table and room from the trailer, but I guess that was either cut (I'm hoping for this scenario, I don't think that needs to happen at all, it's just not, Superman-like which is what we're gradually heading towards) or is in another episode. Either way, cool ending to a great episode. As for the final shots, I'm guessing Jor-El still inhabits Lionel's body from time to time. I'm thinking Jor-El probably "jumped in" at some point during the episode, and then when he left (which would explain all the usage of the word "son") Lionel quickly grabbed paper and a pen to write down everything he could remember. But maybe I'm just grabbing at straws. Anyway...

9/10

cg124

04-20-2006, 09:59 PM

well that was a complete saw rip off;)

Neverending

04-20-2006, 10:36 PM

But my only real main problem with the plot was its predictability. I knew, I was absolutely positive, that the moment we saw the security guy at the beginning and how Lionel treated him that he was the guy on the tape. Oh well.

I agree, man! When I saw that guy I'm like, "IT'S HIM!" You know why I thought that? Because the guy was so creepy-looking. They should have had a normal-looking person. But oh well!

The episode was good and it was entertaining. But the plot was such a Saw rip-off.

boydston_14

04-20-2006, 10:51 PM

Tonight's episode was good (for what I saw, which was the beginning and credits, then I skipped a few minutes and came back at the 2o minute mark). I missed the creepy guy at the beginning, so I didn't expect seeing him behind the mask. i was expecting maybe one of Lex's security guys or (my hope that was crushed) Mercy Graves. Ah well.

GreenvilleTexan

04-21-2006, 01:48 AM

Yeah, I gathered it was the security guy after they focused so closely on the statues and he makes it clear there is nothing there, then that is exactly where the listening device was found.
Chloe, why are you bothering being a reporter? Get a job teaching at MIT or running IBM, something more suited to your talents. I'm beginning to think she has super computer powers or something ... or is related to McGuyver.
Tornado, I think you are dead on with your theory. Would make a lot of sense.
I also would like to see Lex getting suspicious about Clark once again, especially since Clark blew his offer of friendship off so coldly this episode.

the elmo zombie

04-21-2006, 10:11 AM

i liked the last 10 mintues

Tornado

04-21-2006, 09:56 PM

K-Site posted this on their site. Apparently it's the poster for the season finale, 522 - Vessel. It looks kind of cool, but I'm somewhat skeptical as to its realism.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/6b317b47.jpg

I originally had the image itself here, but I changed it because the poster might (I'm saying "might" because we don't actually really know the plot of the episode yet) give away more than someone would want to know. Just click the link if you want to see it.

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This wasn't mentioned anywhere in the spoilers or plot summaries/information released for this episode, but I sincerely hope that Lex doesn't somehow obtain Clark's powers. I will not be pleased if that happens.

Alien

04-21-2006, 10:11 PM

I really like the poster.

As for the spoiler, it could be good if done right.

Is it me or will Smallville be like Kight Rider in 20 years. You'll watch all your DVDs adn scream at the TV, "How did they get away with that crap back then!" Sure the good episodes are outa this world but the normal ones are normally just so full of cheese is scary.

boydston_14

04-22-2006, 12:09 AM

insaneMoViEgoer

04-22-2006, 12:48 AM

official description for season finale:
BRIANIAC BRINGS CHAOS UPON THE WORLD AND DEMANDS A HUGE SACRIFICE FROM CLARK— Brainiac (guest star James Marsters.) unleashes a deadly virus, which will kill millions of people, and refuses to give Clark (Tom Welling) the vaccine unless he agrees to release General Zod. Clark turns to Lionel (John Glover), who once again channels Jor-El. Meanwhile, Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) is stunned by his newfound powers and shares the discovery with Lana (Kristin Kreuk), who decides to stand by her new man, unaware of the shocking turn Lex’s life is about to take due to Brainiac’s evil machinations. Erica Durance, Allison Mack and Annette O’Toole also star. The episode was written by Brain Peterson & Kelly Souders and directed by James Marshall

Tornado

04-22-2006, 08:06 AM

I'm gonna miss the episode of Oracle on May 4, I've got a school concert to be in. I'm going to ask my sister to tape it for me, but if she doesn't, I want every little detail told to me on here after I get back. Thanks in advance!

Oh, my reviews are getting longer each week, so I imagine that was bound to happen anyway. ;)

Just read the write-up for the season finale at K-Site. I'm really looking forward to it, but I really hate the idea of Lex getting powers. Everything else sounds pretty awesome though. I like how they mentioned that Lionel once AGAIN channels Jor-El, which means I'm guessing he'll channel him for the first time in 521 - Oracle, if not already. I kind of like the idea of them working together too. We saw some of that in 409 - Bound, and I thought that was pretty well done.

I wonder if the whole Lois and Martha are going to be stuck in an airplane heading towards a convention of some sort is still part of the plot. I hope so, I've always liked the idea of someone that Clark deeply cares about being stuck in an airplane, forcing him to fly to save them. After all, there was an interview which stated that S6 will change everything.

FVD

04-22-2006, 09:41 AM

Well what can I say about the Mercy episode. In one word. Awesome. And now that Lionel has seen what Clark can do not to mention keeping it a secret from his own son. Interesting turn of events. :)

Looking forward to next week and beyond. Damn this finale is gonna be interesting. It's been a great season so far.

boydston_14

04-22-2006, 10:37 AM

That season finale sounds awesome. Hopefully it will be Everything we've wanted to see.

Alien

04-22-2006, 11:13 AM

Play the game, of Hang Man... D'you get fingers and toes and the wee smiley face? I guess I should watch the rest of the episode.

Edit: I don't remember Jigsaw using word games in Saw. :hehe: :alien: :csgrin: :hehe: Was a fun episdoe in all.

boydston_14

04-22-2006, 02:44 PM

The next new episode, Fade, doesn't look like it will be as good as some of the others this season, but who knows, it could be pretty good. After all, I have been wrong before.

Roy_Bluth

04-23-2006, 01:39 AM

Oh, my reviews are getting longer each week, so I imagine that was bound to happen anyway. ;)

Just read the write-up for the season finale at K-Site. I'm really looking forward to it, but I really hate the idea of Lex getting powers. Everything else sounds pretty awesome though. I like how they mentioned that Lionel once AGAIN channels Jor-El, which means I'm guessing he'll channel him for the first time in 521 - Oracle, if not already. I kind of like the idea of them working together too. We saw some of that in 409 - Bound, and I thought that was pretty well done.

I wonder if the whole Lois and Martha are going to be stuck in an airplane heading towards a convention of some sort is still part of the plot. I hope so, I've always liked the idea of someone that Clark deeply cares about being stuck in an airplane, forcing him to fly to save them. After all, there was an interview which stated that S6 will change everything.
Actually Lionel has channeled Jor-El in one of the first episodes of this season, I think it was "Hidden". Jor-El used super strength and super speed to break Lionel out of Belle Reeve so he could take Clark's dead body to The Fortress of Solitude. That's where Jor-El/Lionel told Clark there would be a sacrifice, that because he was brought back from the dead and given his powers back, someone Clark loved would have to die. And of course now we all know who that was.

The season finale sounds great. Unlike Tornado, I actually like the idea of Lex getting powers, I wonder if he'll use them against Clark, to test if Clark is truely "special".

FVD

04-23-2006, 03:41 AM

What I wanna know is. When the hell will Lana learn of Clark's powers? I was hoping it could have become a revelation by the end of the season. But now that looks unlikely. Still this finale coming up looks great.

Tornado

04-23-2006, 08:11 AM

Actually Lionel has channeled Jor-El in one of the first episodes of this season, I think it was "Hidden". Jor-El used super strength and super speed to break Lionel out of Belle Reeve so he could take Clark's dead body to The Fortress of Solitude. That's where Jor-El/Lionel told Clark there would be a sacrifice, that because he was brought back from the dead and given his powers back, someone Clark loved would have to die. And of course now we all know who that was.

I prefer to think that the term "channeling" (which just means serving as a guide for) has a different meaning here. The description sounds like Lionel will find Jor-El in his own mind, and Lionel will allow Jor-El to take over; whereas in 503 - Hidden, I'm pretty sure Lionel didn't allow Jor-El to take over, he just did.

Neverending

04-23-2006, 11:42 PM

The season finale sounds AWESOME. But...I better see a red cape and blue tights.

insaneMoViEgoer

04-24-2006, 12:20 AM

i highly doubt that. your best bet to see the suit would be at the end of the series.

Tornado

04-24-2006, 08:50 PM

True that. Preferably in the form of Clark in Metropolis hearing some screaming or something, he slowly takes off his glasses and runs across the street (ala Superman: The Movie) and rips open his shirt to reveal the shield. He wouldn't need to fly, because I'm guessing he'll have already done that by then (rumors are pretty strong that it'll happen in the Season Six premiere to save Martha and Lois in the plane).

New preview clip for 520 - Fade (some spoilers for the Triangle of Love):

http://www.tv.com/media_player/5067/4/viewer.php&context_type=101&context_id=1718

WuTical

04-25-2006, 12:54 PM

(rumors are pretty strong that it'll happen in the Season Six premiere to save Martha and Lois in the plane).

that needs to happen in the season finale!

Tornado

04-25-2006, 05:40 PM

that needs to happen in the season finale!

I'm guessing it'll be part of the cliffhanger.

Also, some images from 522 - Vessel are up at K-Site. Looking pretty cool, nothing new is known from any of them though, aside from Clark visiting the Fortress of Solitude (which was pretty much solid in the first place anyway). Here's one (of three):

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/849e970b.jpg

Neverending

04-25-2006, 07:17 PM

His hair looks interesting in that photo. Thats the first thing I noticed. I don't know why.

boydston_14

04-25-2006, 09:24 PM

His hair looks interesting in that photo. Thats the first thing I noticed. I don't know why.

Same here. Anyways, I'm really hating the Zod in someone else's body ideas going around. If he does appear, it should be in his own body, or else I'll be pissed off.

Neverending

04-25-2006, 09:38 PM

I'm really hating the Zod in someone else's body ideas going around. If he does appear, it should be in his own body, or else I'll be pissed off.

Yeah, Zod should appear in HIS body and attack the world. Even if Clark won't apper in the suit he can put a mask on and save the world.

Alien

04-26-2006, 08:46 AM

K-Site has sceen caps from the trailer of Fade, does anyone know where I can actually find the trailer? It's prob there isn't it, I'm prob just looking past it like a ****.

Tornado

04-26-2006, 04:38 PM

It's at the WB's website at http://thewb.warnerbros.com/web/index.jsp.

Neverending

04-26-2006, 05:11 PM

So, this week's episode has Lois Lane in the shower. I like but why are they only using her character to sell sex?

boydston_14

04-26-2006, 06:15 PM

So, this week's episode has Lois Lane in the shower. I like but why are they only using her character to sell sex?

Because they can. And she has big boobs.

Neverending

04-27-2006, 01:57 AM

Because they can. And she has big boobs.

You don't have to remind me about the boobs. lol. :)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f114/DiscoStu7/edfhm2.jpg

The Elf King

04-27-2006, 07:24 AM

Omg I love smallville and can not wait for the final episode, hope clark does do something new in his skills something like ice breath or flying. Can't wait :P

Tornado

04-27-2006, 07:38 AM

Alien

04-27-2006, 08:47 AM

So, this week's episode has Lois Lane in the shower. I like but why are they only using her character to sell sex?
Isn't it Lana that's int eh shower? She's not get big boobs, she's just hot. She's sex on legs.

Tornado

04-27-2006, 04:40 PM

No, it's Lois.

boydston_14

04-27-2006, 06:23 PM

I can't imagine Clark will do anything new in 522 - Vessel, especially not super breath as they just wouldn't have time to explain that one. I suppose he might fly to save the plane that Martha and Lois are on at the tail-end of the episode, but I think that'll probably be the season's cliffhanger.

For some reason I don't see him flying at the end of this season, but at the beginning of next season. My guess would be he would be too busy fighting General Zod in the finale, or at least releasing him or something like that.

Tornado

04-27-2006, 06:58 PM

For some reason I don't see him flying at the end of this season, but at the beginning of next season. My guess would be he would be too busy fighting General Zod in the finale, or at least releasing him or something like that.

Yeah, I agree. I meant that the season would end on that particular cliffhanger, and S6 would kick off with him flying. But that's just how I'd do it.

Anywho, a couple of heads ups. Tonight is a new episode, entitled 520 - FADE:

CLARK CONFRONTS LANA ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP WITH LEX — While in Metropolis, Clark (Tom Welling) saves the life of a stranger named Graham., who vows to repay Clark for his kindness. Unfortunately, Graham happens to be a hit man with the ability to cloak himself, and he decides killing Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) would be the best gift he could give Clark. Meanwhile, Clark confronts Lana (Kristin Kreuk) about her relationship with Lex. Erica Durance, Allison Mack, John Glover and Annette O’Toole also star.

Plus, K-Site has some new pictures up from 521 - Oracle. They look pretty cool, one of them is pretty spoilerish. The gang celebrates Clark's birthday in next week's episode, so that'll be fun.

boydston_14

04-27-2006, 09:02 PM

Next week's episode looks AWESOME! Oh, and tonight's was pretty good, too.

WuTical

04-27-2006, 09:11 PM

good episode tonight

Lana needs to die asap

Tornado

04-27-2006, 09:15 PM

And again, we get another semi-pointless Freak of the Week episode.

520 - FADE

There really isn't a whole lot to talk about in this particular show, because to me it just didn't seem like a whole lot happened (main plot-wise anyway) that is actually worth talking about to be quite honest. Oh boy, we got a Freak of the Week who could turn himself invisible who was interested in killing Lex. Oh wait, that's right, we had that in 110 - Shimmer. And I didn't like that episode either. Graham was just another FOTW who can be created and chucked in a single episode, and nobody will care in the long run. But, thankfully this episode wasn't all bad.

A few good things did come about. Chloe finally got her first byline on the front page. Why she's still working in the basement is beyond me, but I guess it doesn't really matter. We got to see Lois and Martha talking about finding "Mr. Right." While I don't know about you guys, I am a fan of foreshadowing the future relationship between Clark/Superman and Lois. Clark finding out about Lana and Lex was fairly well done I thought, and then seeing Lex get an action scene of his own at the end was fun. This episode continued last week's stint of seeing Clark use his powers multiple times as opposed to the once a week time we endured for a while there. Clark jumping off the bench to save Graham at the beginning was pretty neat.

Also, we got to see a little character development in the Clark department. In S1 when he received the truck from Lex in 101 - Pilot, he was begging to keep it. But then tonight, when he got the plasma TV he took it back immediately. I know it's small, but it's nice to know that the past five seasons haven't been a total waste of time for Clark, and that he has been changing from his experiences. Tough call on a score though, I didn't think it was as good as 511 - Lockdown (7/10) but it was better than 506 - Exposed (6/10), and I don't give out .5s. Eh... I'll be generous.

EDIT - But then I just realized that Clark never used his X-Ray vision on Graham. Not would he be able to see Graham's skeleton, but he knows for a fact that it would have worked. He used it in 110 - Shimmer and it worked like a charm. Clark is still kind of an idiot I guess.

7/10

521 - Oracle looks incredible though, I'm so pumped to see that one.

fantasticfour40

04-27-2006, 09:17 PM

You know I've never watched Smallville. Is it better than Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman.

Tornado

04-27-2006, 09:22 PM

You know I've never watched Smallville. Is it better than Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman.

Depends on what you'd rather watch. Smallville is Clark's journey toward becoming Superman. Which essentially means no flying, I'm not counting 401 - Crusade (as that was Kal-El, not Clark) nor the other times he has "floated", nor does he wear the suit. Superman is, well, Superman. Personally, I don't think Lois and Clark even comes close to holding a torch to Smallville, but as I said, that's just me.

FVD

04-27-2006, 09:38 PM

While Lois and Clark made Teri Hatcher famous, I still prefer Smallville.

boydston_14

04-27-2006, 09:47 PM

While Lois and Clark made Teri Hatcher famous, I still prefer Smallville.
Same, though I've only seen a few episodes of Lois and Clark, so I may be biased.

Neverending

04-27-2006, 10:00 PM

You know I've never watched Smallville. Is it better than Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman.

I prefer Lois & Clark. As much as I like Smallville it just pisses me off sometimes. To much WB-teen nonsense and sometimes it takes them to long to get to the point. At least Lois & Clark got to the point, featured Superman, and was a romantic comedy instead of WB-teen crap.

boydston_14

04-28-2006, 08:56 PM

I'll agree with you about most of that, Neverending, but for some reason Lois and Clark never caught my interest.

WuTical

04-28-2006, 11:11 PM

You know I've never watched Smallville.and dont start either

we really dont need you in this thread

GreenvilleTexan

04-29-2006, 12:03 AM

Thought the episode was pretty good. But here again is another "meteor power". I don't know why Clark just doesn't come out and reveal his powers, because it seems like half the planet already knows his secret or has powers of their own.
But I digress ...
Anyway, it is true that they are making Lois out to be some sort of blonde bimbo here lately. I preferred her when she was first introduced, as a tough as nails army brat investigative journalist type. Now it seems like the writers don't know what to do with her other than show off her boobs (which are nice).
And, did we have yet another "Clark, its over" scene? It seems we have one of those every week.
But I liked the Lana/Lex dynamic. They actually make kind of a nice couple. She brings out his softer side and he makes her less of a giddy school girl.

Neverending

04-29-2006, 03:30 AM

I'll agree with you about most of that, Neverending, but for some reason Lois and Clark never caught my interest.

Maybe because Smallville is an actual drama. Lois & Clark was an action-comedy with some romance thrown in.

boydston_14

04-29-2006, 09:40 AM

Maybe because Smallville is an actual drama. Lois & Clark was an action-comedy with some romance thrown in.

I really like the idea of Superman (not just Clark) on TV though, but I guess it was just the wrong time for me with Lois and Clark. After all, I was just a kid when it aired. (It was mid-nineties right?)

Neverending

04-29-2006, 04:45 PM

I really like the idea of Superman (not just Clark) on TV though, but I guess it was just the wrong time for me with Lois and Clark. After all, I was just a kid when it aired. (It was mid-nineties right?)

I believe it aired from 1993-1997. I was 14 when it began, so I was able to enjoy it.

boydston_14

04-29-2006, 05:03 PM

Well, I was 2 when it started and 6 when it ended, so that may explain it.

FVD

04-30-2006, 12:56 AM

I only watched it for a short while and got bored of it later in the series around the time they got married.

insaneMoViEgoer

04-30-2006, 01:24 AM

the only thing i liked about that show was his black suit

http://supermanfanart.com/artists/frahme/images/dean-cain.jpg

Neverending

04-30-2006, 01:47 AM

I think they got the idea for the black suit from the Tim Burton/Kevin Smith Superman Lives project. What he wore is pretty much what Nick Cage would have wore through most of the film. Brandon Routh wears something similar when Kal-El returns to Earth in Superman Returns.

Tornado

04-30-2006, 08:18 AM

I think they got the idea for the black suit from the Tim Burton/Kevin Smith Superman Lives project.

Well, Superman wore a black suit in the comics too for a short while after the Eradicator Program transported his body to the Fortress of Solitude, where he was nursed back to health in a rejuvenation pod (following his death). When he returned, he was dressed in black.

the elmo zombie

04-30-2006, 12:20 PM

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000EG1Z04.01-A17Z7BZ72LPSLN._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

i just got this case for my ipod

Neverending

04-30-2006, 04:06 PM

Well, Superman wore a black suit in the comics too for a short while after the Eradicator Program transported his body to the Fortress of Solitude, where he was nursed back to health in a rejuvenation pod (following his death). When he returned, he was dressed in black.

Yeah, I know, but that wasn't the storyline they were using in Lois & Clark. They just gave him that black suit. It didn't really have a purpose. He just wore it to wear it. But, I'm saying they probably introduced it cause they knew Superman was gonna wear it in the movie.

Alien

04-30-2006, 04:27 PM

Yeah, I know, but that wasn't the storyline they were using in Lois & Clark. They just gave him that black suit. It didn't really have a purpose. He just wore it to wear it. But, I'm saying they probably introduced it cause they knew Superman was gonna wear it in the movie.
Didn't they give it to him coz he was going to New Krypton and he was the long lost King or something? In the end he gave it all up for Lois.

insaneMoViEgoer

05-03-2006, 07:47 PM

tv guide scans with some small spoilers for the finale.
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=126713&c=1371

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=126714&c=1371

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=126715&c=1371

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=126716&c=1371

who/what do you think the sacrifice is?

Freelow

05-03-2006, 08:28 PM

Looking at the first photo of Clark holding a crystal to Lex's throat, it would appear that Lex is either taken over by Zod or Brainiac.

Just my guess.

Tornado

05-03-2006, 09:40 PM

Looking at the first photo of Clark holding a crystal to Lex's throat, it would appear that Lex is either taken over by Zod or Brainiac.

Just my guess.

Yeah, that's been the common thought for a while. Also, rumors are floating that Clark in some form or fashion kills Lex (or at least his body, it might be Zod) in the season finale. And then Lex is "revived" in S6 in the second episode. Personally I don't believe it, but we'll see I guess.

Tornado

05-04-2006, 04:43 PM

Oh boy, a new episode tonight. I've been waiting for this one since the title was announced. Should be awesome.

521 - ORACLE

CLARK IS VISITED BY JONATHAN’S GHOST — Clark (Tom Welling) is stunned when he sees his father’s ghost (John Schneider) at the graveyard, but becomes even more confused after Jonathan tells him he must kill Lionel (John Glover). Meanwhile, Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) develops a vaccine for Fine’s (guest star James Marsters) deadly virus, but Fine intervenes and injects him with the vaccine, which causes a shocking reaction in Lex. Kristin Kreuk, Erica Durance, Allison Mack and Annette O’Toole also star.. The episode was written by Caroline Dries and directed by Whitney Ransick.

Also, some MAJOR spoilers went up at K-Site regarding the season finale (522 - Vessel). Read at your own risk, you have been warned:

"Last season went out with a bang, thanks to the spaceship crash and a meteor shower that still has fans talking. This year goes out with more of a scream, as in "Ohmigod, what just happened to Clark?!" We'd tell you, but that would ruin the fun of spending the summer wondering how Lois and Martha will survive a runaway flight and why Lana can't see that Lex just isn't himself these days."

OBSERVER

05-04-2006, 04:49 PM

Another season coming to an end. Only 1 or 2 more remaining.

I will hate to see this show go.

WuTical

05-04-2006, 06:01 PM

"Last season went out with a bang, thanks to the spaceship crash and a meteor shower that still has fans talking. This year goes out with more of a scream, as in "Ohmigod, what just happened to Clark?!" We'd tell you, but that would ruin the fun of spending the summer wondering how Lois and Martha will survive a runaway flight and why Lana can't see that Lex just isn't himself these days."
you think they mean he is gonna start flying?

Tornado

05-04-2006, 06:07 PM

you think they mean he is gonna start flying?

Now this is of course all my opinion, but no. My answer lies in the way they phrased it... my guess is that Clark, after releasing Zod (again, my guess here is that Zod will overtake Lex's body in some way), will be imprisoned in the Phantom Zone (where Nam-Ek and Aethyr from 501 - Arrival are). But I do believe he'll start flying at some point in S6, probably somewhere in the middle.

Although, as much as I like my theory it does leave the question of "How do Martha and Lois survive their impending plane crash?" unresolved.

boydston_14

05-04-2006, 06:07 PM

Hopefully. Okay, someone's gonna need to tell me all about this later, as I wont be home to see the ep. tonight.

Tornado

05-04-2006, 06:08 PM

Hopefully. Okay, someone's gonna need to tell me all about this later, as I wont be home to see the ep. tonight.

Oh, I'm sure I'll have a very lengthy review up around 8:45 (central time) or so. ;)

insaneMoViEgoer

05-04-2006, 06:54 PM

my guess is that Clark, after releasing Zod (again, my guess here is that Zod will overtake Lex's body in some way), will be imprisoned in the Phantom Zone (where Nam-Ek and Aethyr from 501 - Arrival are). But I do believe he'll start flying at some point in S6, probably somwhere in the middle.
i'd like it if he puts both himself and brainiac inside the pz

Neverending

05-04-2006, 08:27 PM

Is anyone watching? Apparently Jonathan didn't return from the dead. Its just Fine impersanting (sp?) him. Interesting. . .

Somehow I see this being expanded. Who else will Fine become?

Neverending

05-04-2006, 08:37 PM

What's the budget on this show? It will only explain why they deny us a kick ass, Superman II-style fight scene.

OBSERVER

05-04-2006, 09:02 PM

That was a great episode.

WuTical

05-04-2006, 09:06 PM

great episode

next week-it's on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neverending

05-04-2006, 09:12 PM

Man. . .that was the most AWESOME ending like. . .EVER!

Chloe: What does it say?
Clark: Zod is coming!

To be continued. . .

Tornado

05-04-2006, 09:20 PM

Is anyone watching?

Are you kidding? There's a reason nobody was replying to anything in this thread. Anyway:

Whoa (just a heads up, I typed this as I was watching it, so some things may not correlate with later points).

521 - ORACLE

I'll be honest. I knew this was going to be a great episode as soon as the title was announced a few months back. I mean, I was pretty positive that they wouldn't blow an awesome title on a subpar plot and episode. Luckily for us, the powers that be felt the same way. Well, I'll start from the beginning.

I really loved the cold opening, which is something amazing all on its own because I typically am not a fan of any of them. Clark getting a surprise birthday party was great, especially the gifts he got (a diary from Lois? nice). And when he opened the card from Jonathan, seeing Clark get a bit misty eyed was wonderful. Some people ask me why I defend Tom Welling so much as an actor on the show. It's episodes like these that are the reason why. Next we shoot over to the graveyard. It felt like such a surreal experience to be honest. The only thing I didn't like about this particular scene, is Clark's reaction to what was happening. I know that he had seen Jonathan before after he had died, but still, he was talking to who he thought was his deceased father. It didn't bother me that much though.

Now we jump into Clark and super-Chloe breaking into LuthorCorp and going through Lionel's files. Cool scene, but I think Clark is really jumping to conclusions about "the weapon." Seeing Lex completely trust Lana was pretty nice. I'm glad that Lana is playing a bigger part in the major storylines for once this season, as it seemed in the past she was just kind of there for eye candy.

The scene between Lex and Milton Fine was great. I loved how Lex on his blog heard something about "We've tracked Fine to the midwestern United States," and just then Fine himself walks through the door and gives a speech about making toasts at parties (great dialogue here, signature worthy when I track down the exact words). Lex pulling out kryptonite and trying to use it on Fine was great as well, not to mention the reaction afterward.

The confrontation between Clark, Lionel, and "Jonathan" was perfect. I loved seeing Clark face off against Fine in Jonathan's body, and then Jor-El again stepping into Lionel's body to destroy that particular portion of Brainiac's body. Just tremendous. And then the following scenes in Lionel's office and the Daily Planet with Chloe were all fantastic as well.

There were several other scenes following that particular one, including Lex and Brainiac's (James Marsters rocks, I can't imagine anybody else in the role, he's perfect) talk in the lab and Lex getting injected with the vaccine, Lionel confessing to Martha what really happened the night of Jonathan's death, Lex talking to Lana and discovering he's no longer... "normal", and then of course Clark and Lois talking in the loft about love before the final scene of this fantastic episode showed up. And I can describe it with one simple phrase.

"Zod is coming."

10/10

The only thing that kind of bothered me about this episode (but didn't affect my grading for it), is that if this is truly John Schneider's final sendoff (I find it hard to believe he won't show up at some point in S6 though), then I feel kind of bad for him. John played the perfect father to Clark for four and three quarters seasons (through 517 - Void as far as I'm concerned), but then he is used as a villain in his final episode? While I think the story is perfect on paper, it was hard for me to watch it after building up such a relationship with the character of Jonathan Kent. But, then again, that was probably the point.

522 - Vessel looks awesome too. S5 might just become my favorite season, although the finale is going to have to be superb beyond belief to help take down S3.

Neverending

05-04-2006, 09:35 PM

S5 might just become my favorite season.

Season 5 is definitly my favorite. So far anyway. I was never a fan of Smallville before this season. That ending was just AWESOME. I've been saying this for a long time, but I wanna see some Superman II-style fight scene. They better not disappoint with Zod. Thats all I'm saying.

Tornado

05-04-2006, 09:39 PM

Season 5 is definitly my favorite. So far anyway.

By the numbers, it's my favorite season as it has more episodes in my top fifty (this is easy to find out for me, because I keep a running tally) than any other season. But S3 really clicked together for almost the entire season whereas S5 really fell apart storyarc-wise in the middle of the season.

Neverending

05-04-2006, 10:22 PM

By the numbers, it's my favorite season as it has more episodes in my top fifty (this is easy to find out for me, because I keep a running tally) than any other season. But S3 really clicked together for almost the entire season whereas S5 really fell apart storyarc-wise in the middle of the season.

Season 5 is my favorite because we're getting closer to Superman. I wasn't a fan before because I felt the smallville part of the origin was the least interesting part. Yes, it's a good part, but not as good as the other two parts of the origin like Krypton and Clark turning into Superman. And, you know the producers have been forced to make Smallville more interesting by having characters that normally wouldn't be part of this portion of the origin like Lex Luthor and Lois Lane.

But, now since we're getting closer to Superman its getting exciting. I'm really looking forward to General Zod. If they don't disappoint with the character season six has potential to be even better than this season.

boydston_14

05-04-2006, 11:38 PM

Tornado

05-05-2006, 07:36 AM

Did they have a clip for next week's episode at the end?

By the way, thanks Torn for telling me, I bet I wont be able to see the episode until the DVD. After all, I doubt my sister taped it for me. Thanks again!

No problem.

But yeah, there was a trailer/clip at the end of the episode. Here's a link for it:

http://clana.foxandtheresa.com/vessel.wmv

boydston_14

05-05-2006, 07:42 AM

Thanks Torn. I think now that there's no doubt that Lex is going to be possessed by Zod. As much as I wish he wasn't, I guess even I should give up on saying Zod will have his own body.

Tornado

05-05-2006, 07:48 AM

I think now that there's no doubt that Lex is going to be possessed by Zod. As much as I wish he wasn't, I guess even I should give up on saying Zod will have his own body.

Yeah, I was skeptical for a while too, mainly because I wanted a different actor to be cast as Zod. But now I'm pretty certain that Lex = Zod in the finale.

Anybody else think the finale could easily be one of the hour and a half episodes (which translates to about 53 minutes somehow)? It seems like there's a lot of story to tell.

Neverending

05-05-2006, 10:21 AM

The episode better be 90 minutes. And, it should also include a preview for Superman Returns.

OBSERVER

05-05-2006, 12:30 PM

It seems that last year we knew a week or two ahead of time about the finale being extended. There is nothing yet to suggest it this year, unfortunately.

Tornado

05-05-2006, 04:44 PM

No, I don't think it's extended either, I'm just saying that it seems like this one could have easily been due to the amount of story that needs to be told.

GreenvilleTexan

05-05-2006, 09:07 PM

Couple of observations.
1. The scene between Lionel and Martha, where he confesses what really happened, with no words spoken between them, only their facial expressions showing the emotions, wow, beautifully done.
2. I imagine that John Schneider probably jumped at the chance to use some super powers in a scene before he checked out for good.
3. If Zod was not taking over Lionel's body, who is?
5. What kind of computer does Chloe use? The Daily Planet only buys the top of the line for their cub reporters!
4. I agree, Marsters rocks and can handle a line of dialogue like nobody's business.
5. Can't wait until next week!

Tornado

05-05-2006, 09:48 PM

3. If Zod was not taking over Lionel's body, who is?

Jor-El.

GreenvilleTexan

05-05-2006, 09:49 PM

Yeah, I knew that ...

Neverending

05-06-2006, 01:44 AM

5. What kind of computer does Chloe use? The Daily Planet only buys the top of the line for their cub reporters!

The Daily Planet scenes are kind of pissing me off. Like on yesterdays episode Clark and Lionel are talking to Chloe about their situation and you can see a bunch of people in the background. Are you honestly going to tell me that no one was listening. And, are you gonna tell me that no one was wondering why Lionel Luthor was at the Daily Planet.

OBSERVER

05-06-2006, 09:29 PM

Neverending

05-06-2006, 11:00 PM

I have to disagree with that. The Daily Planet scenes are crucial to the story. Also, it always looks really busy and hectic in there. It's unlikely for other people to hear anything with all of the other noises and conversations going on, without being close.

Yes, the Daily Planet scenes are important. I don't know if I would say crucial but they're important. But come on, man, how can Lionel Luthor be at the Planet and no asks any questions or at least try to ease-drop.

boydston_14

05-06-2006, 11:18 PM

Well, I got to see Oracle today (my sister actually did tape it for me!), and I must say, although she forgot to tape the first minute or so (the birthday party I presume), I saw Clark at the graveyard and everything in the episode after that. Overall the episode was pretty good. I can't wait until next week.

OBSERVER

05-07-2006, 05:47 AM

Yes, the Daily Planet scenes are important. I don't know if I would say crucial but they're important. But come on, man, how can Lionel Luthor be at the Planet and no asks any questions or at least try to ease-drop.
Important is the better word for it.

Lionel and Lex have been unnoticed in public every now and then. Maybe Lionel has been there several times before and it's nothing unusual to see. Who knows.

WuTical

05-07-2006, 10:17 AM

Yes, the Daily Planet scenes are important. I don't know if I would say crucial but they're important. But come on, man, how can Lionel Luthor be at the Planet and no asks any questions or at least try to ease-drop.
from what i remember about the episode, i dont remember seeing anyone walking in the background when Lionel was there

Tornado

05-07-2006, 02:56 PM

from what i remember about the episode, i dont remember seeing anyone walking in the background when Lionel was there

A woman walked out before any dialogue took place, no others were around.

Although there is already a thread devoted to the S5 DVD, this can be posted here as well:

From K-Site: Season 5 DVD Release Date?
POSTED 5-6-06

We have learned what might be the release date for the Season Five DVD of Smallville. However, the date is not yet confirmed by official sources so please don't get upset if it is wrong.

The date we are hearing is August 29, 2006 - just in time for everyone to get caught up before Season Six begins on the new CW network!

All we know about this set so far is that it will, of course, include all 22 episodes from the show's fifth season. Also on the set will be:

* Vengeance Chronicles "webisodes" starring Allison Mack as Chloe Sullivan and Denise Quinones as Andrea Rojas, the Angel of Vengeance
* Commentary on the episode "Thirst" with executive producers Alfred Gough, Miles Millar, Ken Horton, and producer Steve DeKnight
* Commentary on the episode "Splinter" with writer Steve DeKnight, actor James Marsters (Prof. Fine), and director James Marshall

boydston_14

05-07-2006, 04:04 PM

As I said in the DVD thread: Awesome!

Neverending

05-07-2006, 10:14 PM

Tornado

05-08-2006, 07:31 AM

I was watching Family Guy and American Dad today and it seems like the ratings for the season finale are in jeopardy. FOX will air a 7 minute preview of X-Men: The Last Stand at 8:30pm this Thursday. So, it seems like from 8:30 to 8:37pm many people won't be watching Smallville.

I don't think the ratings will be too affected, for numerous reasons. One of them being that Smallville finishes pretty low in the ratings anyway. It hasn't beaten a single show not on a channel like UPN in the past couple of weeks.

As much as I'm looking forward to X3, I'll pass on watching the preview on the air (I can't miss Smallville), and just download it at the Hype when it goes up, which I'm sure it will at some point.

Tornado

05-08-2006, 06:24 PM

New clip from 522 - Vessel:

http://www.tv.com/smallville/show/1718/videos.html

Looks pretty awesome.

WuTical

05-08-2006, 06:51 PM

i cant wait lol

boydston_14

05-08-2006, 07:15 PM

I'm thinking that the vessel could refer to Lionel and that it is somehow set up by Fine. But that's just me trying to hink outside the box. And then there's the fact that I know I'm wrong.

Tornado

05-08-2006, 07:21 PM

I'm thinking that the vessel could refer to Lionel and that it is somehow set up by Fine. But that's just me trying to hink outside the box. And then there's the fact that I know I'm wrong.

I really hope Clark doesn't think he needs to kill Lionel for two reasons:

1) I'm really enjoying the Clark and Lionel relationship as of late. You can see that Clark is slowly beginning to trust him more out of wanting to, as opposed to needing to as he's done in a few past episodes (409 - Bound instantly comes to mind).

2) Lex needs to kill Lionel. I will never forgive Gough and Millar if they have Lionel die another way. And it can't be "Lex possessed by Zod or Brainiac" or "dark/evil Lex like in 417 - Onyx," it needs to be the true Lex. He needs to know what he's doing, he needs to do it on purpose, and I personally think he needs to take joy and pride in doing it.

boydston_14

05-08-2006, 07:55 PM

I really hope Clark doesn't think he needs to kill Lionel for two reasons:

1) I'm really enjoying the Clark and Lionel relationship as of late. You can see that Clark is slowly beginning to trust him more out of wanting to, as opposed to needing to as he's done in a few past episodes (409 - Bound instantly comes to mind).

2) Lex needs to kill Lionel. I will never forgive Gough and Millar if they have Lionel die another way. And it can't be "Lex possessed by Zod or Brainiac" or "dark/evil Lex like in 417 - Onyx," it needs to be the true Lex. He needs to know what he's doing, he needs to do it on purpose, and I personally think he needs to take joy and pride in doing it.

I'm thinking that Clark will think Jor-El is trying to get him to kill Lionel, but he won't because he knows Lionel is on his side now (or at least thinks so anyways), but Lex may kill Lionel while he has superpowers (unless, of course, he is possessed by Zod which is looking very likely).

Neverending

05-09-2006, 02:25 AM

Lex needs to kill Lionel. I will never forgive Gough and Millar if they have Lionel die another way. And it can't be "Lex possessed by Zod or Brainiac" or "dark/evil Lex like in 417 - Onyx," it needs to be the true Lex. He needs to know what he's doing, he needs to do it on purpose, and I personally think he needs to take joy and pride in doing it.

I agree 100%, man! And I will be pissed as well if they do not show General Zod. I just don't want Lex to be possessed and a second late Zod is gone to never be seen again.

insaneMoViEgoer

05-09-2006, 02:34 AM

i still think lex will only get the powers, but not possesed. in the preview he calls him clark, if he were Zod he would have likely called him Kal El. maybe they want him to free zod, which would explain why he was "chosen."

Neverending

05-09-2006, 08:57 AM

Just cause he called him "Clark" in the preview doesn't mean he'll call him that during the show. OR maybe they didn't show the whole thing. Maybe he says, "Hey Clark or should I say Kal-El."

Tornado

05-09-2006, 05:50 PM

I was on K-Site earlier, and saw that some of the fans are playing a kind of game involving the season finale (522 - Vessel, airs this Thursday). So I said to myself, "Hey, the regular fans at CS are a pretty close group too. Why don't we do something similar?" So, if you're interested, the object of the game is this:

How do you think Season Five will end? Basically, the object of the game is to see who can accurately predict the cliffhangers for each character. You CAN incorporate spoilers into your answers if you wish, so be warned of possible spoilers within, so tag where it's appropriate. So, here's a list of the characters we're trying to figure out. The person who predicts the most of them right will, well, get some bragging rights. If you want to participate, all you've gotta do is post your list and your answers. Easy enough.

1. Clark
2. Lana
3. Lex
4. Chloe
5. Lois
6. Martha
7. Lionel
8. Brainiac
9. Zod

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As for me, I'd have to say it'll end like this (all of this is speculation, I only tagged what has pretty much been confirmed):

1. Clark - trapped in the Phantom Zone
2. Lana - will continue to stand with Lex, not realizing what's going on
3. Lex - possessed by Zod going into Season Six
4. Chloe - unconscious somewhere, possibly the Daily Planet after trying to somehow hack into the virus
5. Lois - stuck on the plane with Martha
6. Martha - stuck on the plane with Lois
7. Lionel - will be in the FOS, about to engage in combat with Zod and Brainiac
8. Brainiac - will be in the FOS, about to fight Lion-El with Zod
9. Zod - is commanding Lex's body, about to fight Lion-El with Brainiac

boydston_14

05-09-2006, 06:12 PM

1. Clark- Making a choice to free General Zod or watch the world suffer.
2. Lana- Finding out Clark's secret.
3. Lex- Mortally wounded by a kryptonite blade going into S6
4. Chloe- Kidnapped by Brainiac
5. Lois- Torn stole my answer!
6. Martha- Read above statement.
7. Lionel- Posessed by Jor-El, standing by Clark's side.
8. Brainiac- In the FoS, taunting Clark.
9. Zod- Just about to be released....just to piss us off all summer.

Tornado

05-09-2006, 06:15 PM

There can be duplicate answers. ;)

Just, preferably not nine duplicate answers from the same person, so we'll have only one King or Queen at the end of the game.

boydston_14

05-09-2006, 06:37 PM

Can we change answers too? I saw a city TV trailer for the finale that makes me think that things could end up differently than we think....well, me at least.

And, also, since this thread is about all things Smallville, I want to just say this:
I hope season six is lighter in tone than season 5 has been recently. I mean, seriously, ever since pa kent's death, things have been so dark. Maybe it's time they lighten things up a bit (except, just wait until after Zod).

Tornado

05-09-2006, 06:49 PM

Can we change answers too? I saw a city TV trailer for the finale that makes me think that things could end up differently than we think....well, me at least.

Sure. I'll just invoke a new rule right now actually:

You can continue changing your list until the next participant posts his/her list, or if that doesn't happen then until the show actually airs.

And, also, since this thread is about all things Smallville, I want to just say this:
I hope season six is lighter in tone than season 5 has been recently. I mean, seriously, ever since pa kent's death, things have been so dark. Maybe it's time they lighten things up a bit (except, just wait until after Zod).

I tend to agree. I think the dark angle they've taken on needed to happen as it furthers the story and development of Superman, but you're right. It has been very dark, and I like seeing the occasional episode that doesn't revolve around death or betrayal or something.

boydston_14

05-09-2006, 07:19 PM

Thanks for the agreement, because lately I've gotten a bit tired of the show being as dark as it has been. As much as I like Smallville, I think the show has just strayed too far from what it's really about.

insaneMoViEgoer

05-09-2006, 08:06 PM

1. Clark - Agree with Torn
2. Lana - *Still thinking*
3. Lex - *Still thinking*
4. Chloe - Discovering some hidden code/message
5. Lois - Pretty much everyone whose read the spoilers knows what happens
6. Martha - ^
7. Lionel - Wounded by Lex
8. Brainiac - Releases Zod and virus
9. Zod - Is released. maybe we'll see his feet land

Tornado

05-10-2006, 07:40 AM

WuTical

05-10-2006, 03:58 PM

Apparently a new TV ad has been airing in Canada lately, and in that TV ad Clark and Chloe share a kiss. And Clark kisses back. Now I imagine most people probably won't care that much, but that's something I've been waiting on for a long time.
good stuff...he should of went with her along time ago

Alien

05-10-2006, 04:46 PM

Apparently a new TV ad has been airing in Canada lately, and in that TV ad Clark and Chloe share a kiss. And Clark kisses back. Now I imagine most people probably won't care that much, but that's something I've been waiting on for a long time.
She's gonna die sooner or later, she knows too much and she's not in any other Superman storys. I know DC own her now but I still think she'll die sooner or later.

boydston_14

05-10-2006, 06:08 PM

Apparently a new TV ad has been airing in Canada lately, and in that TV ad Clark and Chloe share a kiss. And Clark kisses back. Now I imagine most people probably won't care that much, but that's something I've been waiting on for a long time.

Sweet! I know I'm gonna like this! (and so is my sister, who is a fan of the Chlark relationship).

Tornado

05-10-2006, 09:36 PM

boydston_14

05-10-2006, 10:11 PM

You know, there's a reason I tagged my post Alien. :rolleyes:

Anyway, apparently the finale tomorrow night will run from 7:00 PM to 8:02 PM (central time), so maybe we'll be treated to an extra minute or so. Or maybe, just maybe, the episode is going to be one of the extra-long ones and they're just cutting back on the commercial time... probably not though. Nice to dream though. ;)

I know, it is. I mean, after having a big season finale last season (in more ways than one), why not do the same this year? It's like taking a step down from what was previously done, instead of trying to outdo themselves.

OBSERVER

05-11-2006, 03:27 AM

They kind of stretched the season finale over two episodes, with the last one ending 'To Be Continued' like they did with season 2. So it's pretty much a 3 (or 4?) parter, including the opening of the following season. Did any other seasons end with 'To Be Continued' on the episode before the finale?

I have also noticed a few other parellels between season 2 and 5's last episodes. Clark's birthday is celebrated, someone wants Clark(2) or Lionel(5) killed, and who knows what today's episode has in store.

Neverending

05-11-2006, 03:37 AM

Apparently a new TV ad has been airing in Canada lately, and in that TV ad Clark and Chloe share a kiss. And Clark kisses back. Now I imagine most people probably won't care that much, but that's something I've been waiting on for a long time.

So, Chloe is finally getting laid. It's about time! I feel bad for the poor girl. She is the most sexually frustrated character on the show. She needs some love too.

Tornado

05-11-2006, 07:33 AM

They kind of stretched the season finale over two episodes, with the last one ending 'To Be Continued' like they did with season 2. So it's pretty much a 3 (or 4?) parter, including the opening of the following season. Did any other seasons end with 'To Be Continued' on the episode before the finale?

Now I haven't watched it in quite a while, but I imagine that 222 - Calling had a "To Be Continued" tagged on the end of it, as that episode went directly into 223 - Exodus.

So, Chloe is finally getting laid. It's about time! I feel bad for the poor girl. She is the most sexually frustrated character on the show. She needs some love too.

Some of you guys really need a lesson on Spoiler Tags 101. :rolleyes:

Tornado

05-11-2006, 07:42 AM

Oh, and you guys can scroll down a bit on this page...

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/index.php?page=smallville

... to find a new clip and a new trailer. Both are pretty cool, but the audio is virtually non-existant on both of them. I had to turn my speakers all the way up just to get an idea of what they were saying.

FVD

05-11-2006, 08:42 AM

Now is it just me or am I starting to get the sense that Lana is standing with Lex instead of Pete who we all know has left the show. The reason why I ask this is due to the fact that in the comics Pete and Lana get married and somewhere down the line Pete works for Lex.

Just my $0.02. Bring Pete back for the last season I say. :)

Neverending

05-11-2006, 08:49 AM

Well, since WB and UPN merged I can imagine they'll need to add in a black character, so why not bring back Pete.

OBSERVER

05-11-2006, 02:29 PM

Now I haven't watched it in quite a while, but I imagine that 222 - Calling had a "To Be Continued" tagged on the end of it, as that episode went directly into 223 - Exodus.
I meant other than season 2. You can see that I already knew that, if you look at my post more closely. That is one of the many things 2 and 5 have in common.

Tornado

05-11-2006, 04:36 PM

I meant other than season 2. You can see that I already knew that, if you look at my post more closely. That is one of the many things 2 and 5 have in common.

Yeah, sorry, I wasn't paying attention at all. I'm just so psyched for tonight! Speaking of tonight, just a reminder.

522 - VESSEL

BRAINIAC BRINGS CHAOS UPON THE WORLD AND DEMANDS A HUGE SACRIFICE FROM CLARK— Brainiac (guest star James Marsters.) unleashes a deadly virus, which will kill millions of people, and refuses to give Clark (Tom Welling) the vaccine unless he agrees to release General Zod. Clark turns to Lionel (John Glover), who once again channels Jor-El. Meanwhile, Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) is stunned by his newfound powers and shares the discovery with Lana (Kristin Kreuk), who decides to stand by her new man, unaware of the shocking turn Lex’s life is about to take due to Brainiac’s evil machinations. Erica Durance, Allison Mack and Annette O’Toole also star. The episode was written by Brain Peterson & Kelly Souders and directed by James Marshall.

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Should be awesome.

bbf2

05-11-2006, 04:50 PM

So, Chloe is finally getting laid. It's about time! I feel bad for the poor girl. She is the most sexually frustrated character on the show. She needs some love too.

Hey, don't forget that back in season three they revealed that she had sex with Jimmy Olson...;)

boydston_14

05-11-2006, 04:58 PM

I cannot wait for the next 3 hours to pass by!

Tornado

05-11-2006, 06:13 PM

It doesn't really have anything to do with Smallville, but check out the shirt I'm about to order (in red):

http://www.noisebot.com/kneel_before_zod_t-shirt

Oh, and only one hour and 47 minutes to go! Woohoo!

boydston_14

05-11-2006, 06:31 PM

1 hour and 29 minutes left! (I'm just really impatient right now)

Tornado

05-11-2006, 07:24 PM

36 minutes...

Great interview to help kill the time. Rosenbaum is the man:

http://www.iesb.net/tv/051106.php

boydston_14

05-11-2006, 07:47 PM

13 minutes....

boydston_14

05-11-2006, 09:04 PM

Wow, that was a surprisingly great episode compared to the crap we've had later on this season.The first half of the season was awesome, but then we had crap like "Tomb" and "Fade". But this was a pretty good episode. I must say I was a bit disappointed with Clark in the phantom zone and the fact that Zod's body has been destroyed, meaning we will never see him in his actual body, but overall it was a good episode.

OBSERVER

05-11-2006, 09:05 PM

Oh man. Everything has gone wrong. I can't see where it will go from here.

WuTical

05-11-2006, 09:12 PM

this episode was great

cant wait til next season...

also, the music at the very end was great...def. gives you a feel that Clark will be doing more important **** next season

Neverending

05-11-2006, 09:33 PM

This is PROBABLY the best episode of Smallville I've seen. What I love about it is that Clark at this point is forced to become some sort of a Superman. How can he stop this mayham as Clark Kent. It takes a Superman to save the day.

However, like some of you stated I was a bit disappointed that we will never see General Zod, but Lex still looked kinda cool at the end. And, I was also a bit disappointed that Chloe didn't get laid. She got a kiss (which was great) but nothing more and it looks like she's gonna get raped or something. There was like two guys who pulled her out of Lionel's car. That kind of sucks, man. I wanted the girl to get laid but not like that. Geez.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to season 6. If the producers don't waste time with useless episodes and WB-type romance nonsense it should be the best season yet.

cg124

05-11-2006, 10:02 PM

man next season should be great. It's a crisis that involves the whole world

Tornado

05-11-2006, 10:21 PM

522 - VESSEL

*Spoilers within, I'm not holding back, you've been warned*

Wow. Just, wow. How do go about writing a review for this episode (especially since I didn't get on the computer until just now as I was watching 504 - Aqua, which means I've probably forgotten a few things)? I'll tell ya right off the bat, it dethroned 503 - Hidden. To be honest, I didn't think it was possible, I wasn't sure if we'd ever get such a great episode again... well, I'll start from the beginning I guess (sorry that it's really long, I had a lot to say).

The cold opening. Wonderful. I'm not usually a fan of the cold openings on Smallville, most of them either say too much or don't say enough. This one said just enough. It was perfect, just a perfect way to kick off the episode with Lex being abducted by Fine's ship. And Lana seeing the whole thing was definitely an added bonus. After the credits (and what seemed like five minutes of commercials) we're off into the Daily Planet (I think, I don't remember exactly) with some dialogue between Chloe and Lana, and eventually Chloe and Clark. None of it really matters, until Lana peaks her head out from the corner and listens in to Clark saying "If I'm right... I'm going to have to kill Lex." I think this is probably the only thing I didn't like about this episode. Clark and Chloe again make the mistake of talking about a very serious issue in what they think is an empty room. Maybe they'll learn to check around them from now on.

Clark in the Fortress was great, and I especially loved the dialogue coming from Jor-El (Terrence Stamp, gotta love him) again scolding Clark for not listening to him. I hate to say it, but if Clark had just listened to Jor-El from the get-go, his life would probably be so much easier. Jonathan would still be alive, Lana wouldn't hate him, his maturation would have been much easier, etc. etc.

I know I'm kind of skipping around a bit in this review, but I'm fairly certain that Lex was "reborn" next, with Lionel confronting him in the field and not only getting a first hand taste of Lex's new abilities, but also seeing the Kryptonian symbol for Zod burned into the field. Seeing Lex be honest with Lana at the mansion was wonderful. It seemed kind of awkward, but I still loved it, seeing what Clark and Lana's relationship could have been like had Clark just been truthful to her. And then Lex speeding off at the end of the conversation was great as well. Lionel confronting Clark in the barn after receiving the dagger from Jor-El was great. It really struck me how Lionel was acting, saying things about how Clark needs to sacrifice the vessel no matter what his morals are if it's going to save the world. But then hearing Clark tell him that Lex is the vessel for Zod... picture perfect. John Glover nailed that scene to a T, the confliction going on in Lionel's mind was as clear as day.

I believe Clark had it out with Lana at the mansion next. I would talk about it, but I'm at the point where I just don't care about their relationship at all anymore. It helped advance the plot, so I'm moving on to the reveal of Milton standing behind Clark, when finally, we get to see the virus released. In theory it's cool, but I personally don't think stripping humanity of electricity would cause massive riots in the streets like they were portrayed here. It seemed more like the whole world just turned into animals. Oh well, I'm watching a show about a man who can fly and start things on fire with his eyes. I should have dropped my look on realism a long time ago.

And finally, we get to my favorite scene in the entire show. Possibly in the entire season. Honestly... and I'm not kidding around here, it might have been my favorite scene in the entire show. Clark and Chloe in the Daily Planet just after the virus is released. Clark and Chloe talk about what's going on, Clark saves Chloe from the car, and just before the scene was over, Chloe tells him that she doesn't know if she'll ever see him again. They kiss. Now if you know me, you know I'm not one for romanticism in TV shows or movies. But I've been rooting for these two kids for five long seasons now, and to finally see them kiss on purpose, and Clark kiss back... this scene sealed the deal for me. When this happened, I knew I was watching something special.

Clark versus Lex in the barn. Not as cool as I had hoped it would be, but the end result was much different than I was expecting. I was 100% positive that Zod would be released and would take over Lex, but I did not thinking it would go down like that. I hate to say it, but when Clark screws up, he screws up bad. No matter how hard he was trying to not release Zod, he did it anyway. And what does he get for it? He gets to spend some time in the Phantom Zone. Then we're back in Metropolis watching chaos unfold right before our eyes. I'll be honest, I was pretty much physically exhausted at this point. I was so wrapped up in the story, that I was actually getting tired from it. That's how amazing this episode was. Seeing Lionel try to save Chloe shows us just how much Lionel has changed over the past seasons. He goes from trying to kill her at the end of S3, to trying to save her life tonight. Say what you want, but this proves that Clark truly does have an indirect impact on other people's lives.

Cut to Lana escaping through the chaos (and a flashback to her ninja/ass-kicking days from 219 - Precipice, nice) and meeting Lex on the rooftop. As much war-mongering as there was going on down below, the rooftop looked very pretty be quite honest, and I think it was a fitting end to the episode, Lana realizing that she does want to side with Lex, no matter what is going on, they kiss, camera pulls back through the destruction in Metropolis to Clark, trapped in the Phantom Zone.

Perfect.

10/10

Only a few unanswered questions though:

1) What about Chloe and Lionel? I swear, if either of them die, I'm going to be so pissed. There are too many plot-lines those two characters still need to traverse before their eventual deaths (as much as I love Chloe, I don't think she'll make it through the series finale, and you all know that I think Lionel needs to be killed by Lex).
2) Where are Martha, Lois, and Brainiac going? Personally, I'm betting they're heading to the Fortress of Solitude, but it seems like an awful lot of effort when Brainiac could have just created a key and teleported the incapacitated pair there through the cave.
3) How the hell is Clark going to get out of there? I'm guessing Lionel will have a hand in that, but we'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

I'm going to be livid if a sixth season isn't picked up, although I think the odds are good it will be. Now I'm going to go be depressed that the greatest season thusfar is over.

Neverending

05-11-2006, 10:23 PM

man next season should be great. It's a crisis that involves the whole world

That's why I said Clark is gonna become some kind of Superman next season. He may not be EXACTLY Superman yet but he will have to create some identity for himself to save everyone.

I mean. . .to begin with I think Clark has finally learned his lesson and will FINALLY start to listen to Jor-El. So, once Clark has gotten his lecture he will know what to do.

Neverending

05-11-2006, 10:34 PM

What about Chloe and Lionel? I swear, if either of them die, I'm going to be so pissed. There are too many plot-lines those two characters still need to traverse before their eventual deaths (as much as I love Chloe, I don't think she'll make it through the series finale, and you all know that I think Lionel needs to be killed by Lex).

I doubt either of them will die. Lionel is still possessed by Jor-El (or something like that) and it seemed like Chloe was gonna get raped not killed.

Where are Martha, Lois, and Brainiac going? Personally, I'm betting they're heading to the Fortress of Solitude, but it seems like an awful lot of effort when Brainiac could have just created a key and teleported the incapacitated pair there through the cave.

They're probably going no where special. Just an excuse for Clark to save them.

Tornado

05-11-2006, 10:36 PM

I doubt either of them will die. Lionel is still possessed by Jor-El (or something like that) and it seemed like Chloe was gonna get raped not killed.

Probably not, but TPTB have a history of writing off characters with absurd deaths when they don't know what to do with them anymore (Jason Teague anybody?).

EDIT - And I'm not worried about Chloe getting raped. Lionel will channel Jor-El and open up a whole can of whoop ass.

They're probably going no where special. Just an excuse for Clark to save them.

Well, they were in the mountains it looked like, which is why I suggested the FOS.

Neverending

05-11-2006, 11:20 PM

And I'm not worried about Chloe getting raped. Lionel will channel Jor-El and open up a whole can of whoop ass.

That's what will most likely happen. It will be Lex (Zod) vs. Lionel (Jor-El) while Clark is trapped in the Phantom Zone. And that, of course, will take place within 10 episodes. :P

the elmo zombie

05-12-2006, 12:05 AM

probably the best episode tonight. pretty damn good

Tornado

05-12-2006, 07:29 AM

That's what will most likely happen. It will be Lex (Zod) vs. Lionel (Jor-El) while Clark is trapped in the Phantom Zone. And that, of course, will take place within 10 episodes. :P

I'm guessing they'll face off at the end of the season premiere, and Clark will be freed in episode two.

Freelow

05-12-2006, 07:30 AM

Well, I am going to throw myself out there as the first dissenter.

Compared to other season finales of Smallville, I was kind of disappointed. Maybe I was expecting a lot more from it.

My own personal favorite was the season finale for Season 3. While Lionel is being prepared for the start of his imprisonment, we get to watch as everyone else that helped send him to jail get ruined. Lex being poisoned, Chloe and her dad appear to blow up, Jonathon looks like he dies from a heart attack, Pete leaves town, the Kent farm on fire, and Clark being sucked into the cave wall. You could feel the episode building from the first moment to the very last.

This episode just seemed to be lacking for me.....until the end of the episode. The one scene that I truly loved was Lex standing on the top of the LuthorCorp building while Metropolis burns in the background. Just a beautiful image, in a sick, sadistic way.

Good episode, but, to me, not a great episode.

kungfuhobbit

05-12-2006, 03:18 PM

Agreed. Man i thought this was such an average episode, im very disappointed

Neverending

05-12-2006, 03:55 PM

OBSERVER

05-12-2006, 05:54 PM

I think it's safe to say that it has set up the premiere of season 6 to be the best opener. So much has to happen. If it is spread over 2 episodes, it will explain why the finale was not extended. The finale got things rolling. The best is yet to come.

Tornado

05-12-2006, 09:27 PM

I just finished re-watching the season finale. I loved it even more the second time around. Not to mention, I noticed that there were a lot of VFX shots. At least now we know where all the budget saving went. ;)

boydston_14

05-13-2006, 12:15 AM

Neverending

05-13-2006, 03:25 AM

I have a theory that is so crazy it just might happen....so I'll use spoiler tags:
What if the plane crashes into the FoS or near it, but Martha nad Lois survive? Somehow, it would open the phantom zone back up, letting Clark out, who would then go to Metropolis to stop Lex. Meanwhile, in Metropolis, Lionel is already starting to protect the city while channeling Jor-El (which I was kinda expecting to happen in Vessel).
Just a thought.

There is no purpose for the spoiler because it's just a theory and it will probably just stay a theory. Tornado is the only Smallville expert here so he probably correct.

NOW. . .what I want to happen this season 6 is different from what will really happen. To begin with, let's face it folks, we only have three seasons left. Season 1-4 was him in high school, season 5 was first year of college, so there's pretty much 3 seasons and somewhere between 66-73 episodes left. So, they need to get the ball rolling towards turning Clark into Superman. So, what I want is for the season premiere to be 2 hours long. I want Jor-El to free Clark from the Phantom Zone which I'm sure he can do easily. Afterwards Clark goes to the Fortress and Jor-El begins his lecture. Some time passes and General Zod and Brainic think they have won. As for Lois & Martha, Brainic simply takes them to Zod's hideout or whatever you wanna call it. After some time passes we see Zod in power. . .probably in the White House or something. I'm sure he's not gonna get his secret from Lana. Sooner or later she's gonna realize Lex is not inside that body. So, anyway, when Zod least expects it he see's someone is a cheap looking Superman costume (kind of like Batman Begins in which we saw the evolution of the suit) and the epic battle begins. During the epic battle Zod tells Clark about Lois and Martha, so Clark doesn't quite defeat Zod just yet cause he goes to rescue Lois and Martha. There in that location he fights that Brainic/Fine clone (or whatever) and rescues Lois & Martha. In the process Lois falls in love with this stranger. So. . .season six begins like that. Clark's tranformation into Superman begins, Lois falls in love, and Zod & Brainic are not defeated just yet. As for Lana, Chloe, and Lionel. . .I don't know.

FVD

05-13-2006, 06:18 AM

That was an awesome finale indeed. I do hope them Freak Of The Week episodes get scrapped for next season. I always tend to get bored with those.

FVD

05-13-2006, 06:19 AM

Oops that wasn't supposed to happen. ;)

Anyway I do like the theory of Clark finally getting to listen to Jor-El if he frees him from the Phantom Zone.

Btw when does Mercy Reef start?

boydston_14

05-13-2006, 10:44 AM

Btw when does Mercy Reef start?
I think sometime in late August/early October.

the elmo zombie

05-13-2006, 03:49 PM

mercy reef? is that the aquaman show?

boydston_14

05-13-2006, 05:32 PM

mercy reef? is that the aquaman show?

Yeah. I hope it's good, but right now, I'm thinking it more than likely won't be.

Tornado

05-13-2006, 05:34 PM

There is no purpose for the spoiler because it's just a theory and it will probably just stay a theory. Tornado is the only Smallville expert here so he probably correct.

Well, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but thanks either way. ;)

I'll post my predictions for S6 a little later, I'm just doing a little fine-tuning on them as I type this.

Neverending

05-13-2006, 07:14 PM

Btw when does Mercy Reef start?

Wasn't there reports that the CW (WB/UPN merger) were having doubts about that show?

boydston_14

05-13-2006, 07:54 PM

I hope not. If anything, I would at least like to see one or two episodes of the show, just to see if it's gonna be good or not. Then, if it sucks, it should get cancelled. I don't want them to just see the pilot and say it sucks so no one else should see it.

Tornado

05-13-2006, 07:56 PM

Well I doubt that would happen. If they're not going to even air the pilot, they'll probably put it on a straight to DVD disc along with the pilot of Smallville or something.

Tornado

05-13-2006, 10:14 PM

PART I of III

Before you read, you should know my first point behind all of this. I started writing this at about 7:30 P.M., mainly in effort to see if I could come up with a decent plotline that did not revolve around time travel. Anyway...

All right, I think I've had sufficient enough time to lay down the boundaries for what I think S6 will shape into. These are of course all theories and predictions, but these aren't necessarily what I want to happen (if that were the case, Lois would die, Chloe would take her cousin's name as a pen name, and Clark would really fall in love with her), these are what I honestly do think will happen. Anyway, here goes (I'm going to do most of the season, depending upon how lengthy this post gets):

Season Six will kick off with an episode entitled something similar to either "Phantom" or "Awakening." "Phantom" lends itself more towards plot (as Clark would still be stuck in the PZ), whereas "Awakening" lends itself more toward tradition. If you haven't picked up on it, the season finale of one season and the season premiere of the next tend to share linking titles (Tempest - Vortex, Exodus - Exile, etc.), which is why I think Vessel - Awakening makes perfect sense. Anyway, Episode 1 will revolve pretty much completely around the destruction of Metropolis (and other cities I suppose, but for story's sake we don't care about those), and the people stuck in the middle of it. At the beginning of the episode, Clark will still be stuck in the PZ, Zod will still be possessing Lex, Lana will still be with Lex, etc. At the end of the season finale, we saw Lionel and Chloe pretty much get taken out in the streets of Metropolis, and then we saw nothing more of those two characters. I'm betting Lionel will channel Jor-El, somehow escape with Chloe back to either the Daily Planet (it is empty after all) or Luthorcorp (easy access for Lionel), and those two will come up with a game plan.

While I'm kind of jumping around here, at some point Zod will definitely release Aethyr and Nam-Ek (the Kryptonians from 501 - Arrival) to help him in creating more chaos. Lana will tag along, but I think it'll be more out of fear of what would happen if she didn't go along, than a true desire to be there with the trio. All the while, Brainiac is still flying the plane with Martha and Lois stuck inside. When those spoilers first popped up, I was confident that Clark would fly and save them, but I'm not so sure anymore. He'd have to spend a very little amount of time to be able to get out in time, and I honestly don't see that happening. I think they're flying to the Fortress, but for what reason is beyond me. We saw the plane flying into the mountains, and while those mountains could have been any set, I find it hard to believe they weren't used as a backdrop for a reason. They could have used clouds, fields, or an ocean or anything, but instead they chose to use mountains, when the Fortress is certainly near at least one mountain range. We'll see I guess.

As for Lionel and Chloe, Lionel can channel Jor-El, and Chloe knows how to get to the Fortress (not to mention, it could easily be set up that Clark left the key in the portal, he's done it in the past). I think it's pretty obvious that the Fortress is where they're headed. All the while, Zod and his disciples are still wreaking havoc on Earth, until they figure out that Lionel and Chloe are headed to the FOS (I imagine we'll see some form of Kryptonian mind-reading or something, somehow Zod will know, he'll feel Jor-El's "presence" or whatever). At that point, Zod will head there as well (for the sake of having too many people at the FOS, Nam-Ek and Aethyr will stay behind).

So now we've got Clark still trapped in the PZ, and pretty much everybody on the show is either at the Fortress or heading there (Lex/Zod, Brainiac, Lois, Martha, Lionel, and Chloe). Now, what happens next (again, just a reminder, all just predictions) is kind of hard to explain. We'll see a face-off here, of Smallville proportions (which, to be honest, means prepare to be somewhat disappointed). Lex/Zod and Milton Fine against Lion-El. To summarize, Lex/Zod will somehow get tossed off to the side early on, leaving just Lion-El (of 503 - Hidden, meaning he's all there in the head, not the recent Lion-El) and Milton Fine. At some point, Lion-El will get the upper hand and pull the "disintegration through the touch of my hand" out of his bag of tricks, thus wiping out Brainiac, seemingly for good. In the middle of this fight at some point, Chloe drags Martha and Lois to the portal and teleports the three of them back to Smallville.

Lex/Zod will pretty much be dying here in my opinion. I'm guessing it'll be explained that Lex's human body couldn't take having the powers of Zod and the antidote he was injected with (similar to Jonathan's case from the beginning of S3). Brainiac mis-calculated and the two additions to Lex's body offset him or some nonsense like that. Lion-El will place him on the table that Clark laid on during 508 - Solitude, he'll take the Kryptonian dagger (I'm assuming he's either going to get another one, or somehow he'll get the original) and stab Lex with it, freeing him from Zod's grasp. At this point, we'll see Lion-El revert back to just normal Lionel.

I hate to say it, but I think there stands a chance that Lionel might sacrifice himself for Clark, and offer to give his life in exchange for Clark's freedom from the PZ. It's not what I want to happen at all, but I think there's a definite possibility. So Clark will be freed and will be gone, and all that Lex will remember is that Lionel traded his life for Clark's, which I think would perfectly set up a major hatred that Lex will develop for Clark, finally realizing that his father loves Clark more as a son than he does his real one. Lex blacks out after Clark shows up. Plot-wise, it's because he's exhausted. Production-wise, it's so that Clark can transport the two of them out of the FOS without too many questions.

Clark will return to Metropolis to see the city still burning. To Be Continued.

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Anyway, those are just my thoughts. Even I have a lot of problems with them (like, what happened to the fourth part of Milton Fine? we saw one be destroyed by Lion-El in 521 - Oracle, another in 522 - Vessel, and one above, leaving one still alive), so I'll probably tweak them as time goes on. But tomorrow I'll be sure to chime in again with my thoughts on Episode Two at some point, and the rest of the season probably tomorrow night. It's a big post, so thanks a lot if you somehow made it to the bottom.

boydston_14

05-14-2006, 12:05 AM

Good ideas, Torn. I hope at least one makes it to the show (though I do agree with what you've said before, it does need to be Lex who kills Lionel. It can't be any other way).

FVD

05-14-2006, 05:28 AM

Nice ideas Tornado though I don't think I like the idea of Chloe taking Lois' name incase she dies. But we'll see.

Tornado

05-14-2006, 07:37 AM

Nice ideas Tornado though I don't think I like the idea of Chloe taking Lois' name incase she dies. But we'll see.

Oh I'm not saying it'll happen. It's just what I personally want to happen. I'm not a fan of the way Lois Lane has been portrayed on the show, and I'm a huge fan of Chloe Sullivan (she might be my favorite character on the show, but I do like Clark a lot too), so I've always kind of wanted to see Chloe become the "Lois" for this show. And since Chloe isn't mentioned anywhere outside the show (although I guess she has recently been introduced into the comics), I figure it'd be easy for Lois to die and Chloe to take her name.

But that's just me.

boydston_14

05-14-2006, 10:26 AM

I like your avy, Torn. One of the best cliffhangers ever!

Neverending

05-14-2006, 01:13 PM

PART I of III

Before you read, you should know my first point behind all of this. I started writing this at about 7:30 P.M., mainly in effort to see if I could come up with a decent plotline that did not revolve around time travel. Anyway...

All right, I think I've had sufficient enough time to lay down the boundaries for what I think S6 will shape into. These are of course all theories and predictions, but these aren't necessarily what I want to happen (if that were the case, Lois would die, Chloe would take her cousin's name as a pen name, and Clark would really fall in love with her), these are what I honestly do think will happen. Anyway, here goes (I'm going to do most of the season, depending upon how lengthy this post gets):

Season Six will kick off with an episode entitled something similar to either "Phantom" or "Awakening." "Phantom" lends itself more towards plot (as Clark would still be stuck in the PZ), whereas "Awakening" lends itself more toward tradition. If you haven't picked up on it, the season finale of one season and the season premiere of the next tend to share linking titles (Tempest - Vortex, Exodus - Exile, etc.), which is why I think Vessel - Awakening makes perfect sense. Anyway, Episode 1 will revolve pretty much completely around the destruction of Metropolis (and other cities I suppose, but for story's sake we don't care about those), and the people stuck in the middle of it. At the beginning of the episode, Clark will still be stuck in the PZ, Zod will still be possessing Lex, Lana will still be with Lex, etc. At the end of the season finale, we saw Lionel and Chloe pretty much get taken out in the streets of Metropolis, and then we saw nothing more of those two characters. I'm betting Lionel will channel Jor-El, somehow escape with Chloe back to either the Daily Planet (it is empty after all) or Luthorcorp (easy access for Lionel), and those two will come up with a game plan.

While I'm kind of jumping around here, at some point Zod will definitely release Aethyr and Nam-Ek (the Kryptonians from 501 - Arrival) to help him in creating more chaos. Lana will tag along, but I think it'll be more out of fear of what would happen if she didn't go along, than a true desire to be there with the trio. All the while, Brainiac is still flying the plane with Martha and Lois stuck inside. When those spoilers first popped up, I was confident that Clark would fly and save them, but I'm not so sure anymore. He'd have to spend a very little amount of time to be able to get out in time, and I honestly don't see that happening. I think they're flying to the Fortress, but for what reason is beyond me. We saw the plane flying into the mountains, and while those mountains could have been any set, I find it hard to believe they weren't used as a backdrop for a reason. They could have used clouds, fields, or an ocean or anything, but instead they chose to use mountains, when the Fortress is certainly near at least one mountain range. We'll see I guess.

As for Lionel and Chloe, Lionel can channel Jor-El, and Chloe knows how to get to the Fortress (not to mention, it could easily be set up that Clark left the key in the portal, he's done it in the past). I think it's pretty obvious that the Fortress is where they're headed. All the while, Zod and his disciples are still wreaking havoc on Earth, until they figure out that Lionel and Chloe are headed to the FOS (I imagine we'll see some form of Kryptonian mind-reading or something, somehow Zod will know, he'll feel Jor-El's "presence" or whatever). At that point, Zod will head there as well (for the sake of having too many people at the FOS, Nam-Ek and Aethyr will stay behind).

So now we've got Clark still trapped in the PZ, and pretty much everybody on the show is either at the Fortress or heading there (Lex/Zod, Brainiac, Lois, Martha, Lionel, and Chloe). Now, what happens next (again, just a reminder, all just predictions) is kind of hard to explain. We'll see a face-off here, of Smallville proportions (which, to be honest, means prepare to be somewhat disappointed). Lex/Zod and Milton Fine against Lion-El. To summarize, Lex/Zod will somehow get tossed off to the side early on, leaving just Lion-El (of 503 - Hidden, meaning he's all there in the head, not the recent Lion-El) and Milton Fine. At some point, Lion-El will get the upper hand and pull the "disintegration through the touch of my hand" out of his bag of tricks, thus wiping out Brainiac, seemingly for good. In the middle of this fight at some point, Chloe drags Martha and Lois to the portal and teleports the three of them back to Smallville.

Lex/Zod will pretty much be dying here in my opinion. I'm guessing it'll be explained that Lex's human body couldn't take having the powers of Zod and the antidote he was injected with (similar to Jonathan's case from the beginning of S3). Brainiac mis-calculated and the two additions to Lex's body offset him or some nonsense like that. Lion-El will place him on the table that Clark laid on during 508 - Solitude, he'll take the Kryptonian dagger (I'm assuming he's either going to get another one, or somehow he'll get the original) and stab Lex with it, freeing him from Zod's grasp. At this point, we'll see Lion-El revert back to just normal Lionel.

I hate to say it, but I think there stands a chance that Lionel might sacrifice himself for Clark, and offer to give his life in exchange for Clark's freedom from the PZ. It's not what I want to happen at all, but I think there's a definite possibility. So Clark will be freed and will be gone, and all that Lex will remember is that Lionel traded his life for Clark's, which I think would perfectly set up a major hatred that Lex will develop for Clark, finally realizing that his father loves Clark more as a son than he does his real one. Lex blacks out after Clark shows up. Plot-wise, it's because he's exhausted. Production-wise, it's so that Clark can transport the two of them out of the FOS without too many questions.

Clark will return to Metropolis to see the city still burning. To Be Continued.

Although that's not what I would like to happen it is what will most likely happen.

Tornado

05-14-2006, 10:10 PM

While I didn't have time to finish the second two parts, I did have time to re-watch 518 - Fragile (imagine that!). And I again have to say that I really hope Maddie comes back next year, at least once. What a great character.

OBSERVER

05-15-2006, 01:02 AM

What's with this guy playing two different characters?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0542677/

I'd say he died both times if I could remember what happened to him the second time in that episode in season 4. In season 2 he was one of the guys Lex hired to bug Lionel's office, then in season 4 he worked in law enforcement in China, again having a connection with Lex.

insaneMoViEgoer

05-15-2006, 01:06 AM

long lost twin?

bbf2

05-15-2006, 02:51 PM

I think we figured out the evil plot Lex has been up to...

http://www.superdickery.com/images/oneshot/lex5sz.jpg

Freelow

05-16-2006, 10:42 AM

That evil b@stard.

What about the rest of us who wanted cake?

D@mn you Luthor, d@mn you to h@ll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alien

05-16-2006, 11:08 AM

What does he really need with 40 cakes? It's a bit much really, greedy f**ker.

Tornado

05-16-2006, 04:44 PM

It's not surprising, but it is some good news:

Smallville Picked Up For Season Six (From K-Site)
As if there would be any doubt... Smallville will definitely be on the CW's Fall 2006 schedule for its sixth season, to premiere mostly likely in September.

The CW will be making their formal announcements on Thursday, May 18. We're assuming that Smallville will continue to anchor Thursday nights in the 8PM time slot.

Unfortunately, we also have some bad news to share: It appears that the Millar-Gough Aquaman TV project is sunk, and that The CW has passed on the project. This is quite unfortunate considering the amount of Internet buzz and press the project had achieved; we can only imagine this is due to the competitive nature of the WB-UPN merger. Official confirmations should come on Thursday when the schedule is announced.

boydston_14

05-16-2006, 06:14 PM

Well, I was about to post the same news, Torn, but I guess I don't have to. Anyways, that sucks that we won't be able to see how Mercy Reef would look like, but I'm hyped to know (somewhat officially) that SV is being picked up for another season!

Tornado

05-16-2006, 07:12 PM

I actually like what happened. I did kind of want to see how Mercy Reef turned out, but then with it being cancelled comes the fact that Gough and Millar can now devote all of their time to one show, as opposed to splitting it up between two. They didn't participate in much of S5 (mostly just telling the writers which direction they wanted to head in, no writing or directing at all), and while this past one has been my favorite season, the lack of Gough and Millar does show in my opinion. Glad to have them back 100%.

Alien

05-16-2006, 08:11 PM

bbf2

05-16-2006, 08:34 PM

What does CW stand for? Actually what did UPN stand for? The only one I really knew was WB.

For anyone that might read that wrong, I do know they are all US TV stations I just wanna know what they are short for.

UPN: United Paramount Network (it was originally owned by Paramount...now that its not, it doesn't technically stand for anything.)

CW: CBS-Warner Brothers, since UPN is owned by CBS.

boydston_14

05-16-2006, 08:37 PM

insaneMoViEgoer

05-16-2006, 08:43 PM

They didn't participate in much of S5 (mostly just telling the writers which direction they wanted to head in, no writing or directing at all), and while this past one has been my favorite season, the lack of Gough and Millar does show in my opinion. Glad to have them back 100%.
agreed, memoria is one of the best episodes in the series. plus, aquaman is boring as hell.

Alien

05-16-2006, 08:44 PM

UPN: United Paramount Network (it was originally owned by Paramount...now that its not, it doesn't technically stand for anything.)

CW: CBS-Warner Brothers, since UPN is owned by CBS.
Weird how you did that, told us what WB was but not CBS. My computer is being a ***** but I checked anyway and found this, CBS means Columbia Broadcasting System.

Thanx by the way. On a better day I'd've looked it up myself so thanx for doing my leg work for me.

WuTical

05-16-2006, 09:26 PM

sucks that the aquaman show didnt get picked up...hopefully they can put the episodes that were shot on a dvd or something

cant wait for season 6 to start...the 1st episode is gonna be great lol

boydston_14

05-16-2006, 09:49 PM

sucks that the aquaman show didnt get picked up...hopefully they can put the episodes that were shot on a dvd or something

That's what I'm hoping for, too right now.

Tornado

05-16-2006, 09:51 PM

Just a few quick random questions to keep the discussion going (my answers in red):

What was your favorite episode this season?
522 - Vessel, but not by much. 503 - Hidden isn't that far off.

What was your least favorite (or possibly, what was the worst) episode this season?
514 - Tomb. I'm not a fan of 505 - Thirst either, but it's no contest in my book. I genuinely didn't really like 514 - Tomb, although the final scene between Chloe and her mother was touching.

What was your favorite scene this season?
I hate to say it, but I'm a sucker for the relationship between Clark and Chloe, so their kiss in the season finale takes it for me.

Who was your favorite guest star?
James Marsters (Professor Fine). But, I really loved Emily Hirst (Maddie in 518 - Fragile) as well.

What happened that you saw coming a mile away?
Lex and Lana hooking up. I wasn't really disappointed that this actually did happen, but I knew it would. As soon as the rumors started that Clark and Lana were breaking up, I knew she would go to Luthor.

What happened that caught you off guard?
Clark super-jumping in 503 - Hidden. I hadn't been reading the spoilers as heavy then as I am now, so when they cut to the missile launching and Clark superspeeding over to it, I was kind of wondering aloud how he'd solve this one. And just as I finished that train of thought, he took off like a rocket into the sky. Awesome.

What didn't happen that you really thought would?
I truly thought that Clark would learn his super breath power this season, as it's the last "big one" before flight comes about (and I'm fairly certain that's coming next year). But, I still think super breath isn't too far off. In fact, I'm guessing he'll discover it in episode 2 of S6 so he can put out the fires in Metropolis (as I think he'll be trapped in the PZ for most of episode 1).

Anybody else is more than welcome to toss in more questions of course. :)

insaneMoViEgoer

05-16-2006, 10:41 PM

What was your favorite episode this season?
Leaning more towards Arrival right now. Vessel was good, but wasnt as exciting as previous season finales were.

What was your least favorite (or possibly, what was the worst) episode this season?
Thirst. nuff said.

What was your favorite scene this season?
The scene in Hypnotic where Brainiac kills those two, whoever they are.

Who was your favorite guest star?
James Marsters without a doubt.

What happened that you saw coming a mile away?
Clark being put in the phantom zone.

What happened that caught you off guard?
In Oracle when Lion-El destroys Brainiac.

What didn't happen that you really thought would?
Someone calling Brainiac well, Brainiac. Theres alot more, but this is the one thats at the top of my head.

Tornado

05-16-2006, 10:56 PM

What was your favorite scene this season?
The scene in Void where Brainiac kills those two, whoever they are.

Yeah, that was a fun scene. But I think that was 516 - Hypnotic actually.

insaneMoViEgoer

05-16-2006, 10:59 PM

thats right, Void is when clark goes to Honduras.

FVD

05-17-2006, 11:03 AM

I thought it was sad that Sheriff whatsername got killed after being on Smallville for quite some time. And hopefully next season Lana will finally learn of Clark's powers. And how about some more hints into Clark and Lois. Just let it happen slowly. I do like what they've done so far.

Freelow

05-17-2006, 11:28 AM

Weird how you did that, told us what WB was but not CBS. My computer is being a ***** but I checked anyway and found this, CBS means Columbia Broadcasting System.

Thanx by the way. On a better day I'd've looked it up myself so thanx for doing my leg work for me.

Technically, the full name of CBS is now CBS. The company, formerly the Columbia Broadcasting System, legally changed its name to CBS in the 1990's.

I'm not sure if the CW stands for Columbia-Warner or CBS-Warner. I think it stands for CBS-Warner.

Tornado

05-17-2006, 09:59 PM

So I just found out that one of my mom's friends is a fan of the show as well, and has been watching for the past two seasons or so. I had the episode 419 - Blank on (one of my favorites) when she walked into the room and said something like "Hey, is that Smallville? That's a good show."

Apparently she also didn't make the connection that Clark Kent = Superman until I just told her about ten minutes ago.

Tornado

05-18-2006, 07:28 AM

Here's a great interview with Al Gough:

Smallville: Burning Questions Answered!
by Rich Sands

Is the Young Man of Steel poised to break Chloe's heart? Is Lex really dead? Even a week later, are you, like us, still processing what happened to, and with whom, and why, during Smallville's Season 5 finale? TV Guide went to cocreator Al Gough the day after the season-ender with our burning questions — and to seek clues about next season.

TV Guide: Smallville's season finales always leave all the characters in very bad situations.
Al Gough: It's become a tradition on the show and it harkens back to what was always fun about comic books. You can tell these stories that are spread out over a number of issues, but you always have a couple of points with great cliff-hangers where you didn't know what was going to happen next. We loved the idea of keeping people hanging, both the audience and the characters. It's sort of like the feeling we all had at the end of The Empire Strikes Back — "What, we have to wait three years?!" We also find that painting ourselves into these corners gives us a lot of energy going into the next season. It helps propel everything forward, rather than starting from a dead stop and trying to wind up again.

TV Guide: Do you know now how you are going to get yourself out of those corners? What is the challenge in writing a cliff-hanger?
Gough: We always know what we want next season to be. We even know what the end of next season is. But if you were to ask me today how do we get out of what you saw last night, I couldn't tell you. The writers finish in March, and we start back right after Memorial Day — that way you can sit on it and think about it. Generally, the ideas you have in March or April aren't necessarily as good as the ones you're going to have in June. When we do come back, we spend the first week figuring out how we're going to get ourselves out of the corners we've painted ourselves into, and also how those events are going to propel us into the next season. [A year ago] the crystals propelled us into the fortress, which propelled us into this season. That's always the challenge of the show. Once the season-openers are done, we always go, "Well, of course that's what it would be!" [Laughs] I'm already starting to have some ideas about how Clark gets out of the Phantom Zone and what Zod does. But we definitely went to an extreme place this time.

TV Guide: What was the thought process behind ending the finale this way? Did you always know that Clark would end up in the Phantom Zone?
Gough: A lot of times when you look at our seasons, what happens at the end of the opener has consequences for the finale. In Season 3, it was Jonathan's deal with Jor-El, which came at the end of the first episode; the ship with Brainiac played itself out through this season. We knew that we had a lot of big cards to play this season. As the characters are getting older, we're getting closer to the actual Superman mythology. We introduced the Fortress of Solitude and the Daily Planet and other DC Universe characters, including Brainiac. This was the first year we could play the Lex-Clark-Lana triangle because obviously everybody was legal. How many shows can say they can't play their major love triangle until Year 5? [Laughs] So we had a lot of ammunition going into Season 5, because with the move [to Thursdays at 8] we thought we were dead in the water. We knew we had a great season arc planned and we were hoping people would show up to watch it! Our storytelling was much better [this season]. We didn't drag the Brainiac stuff out — we told the first story, put it aside to tell the election story and the death of Jonathan Kent, and then came back to Brainiac. That way it didn't feel like last year's crystal story, where you just got sick of Jason and Lana. I think we acquitted ourselves well with Lana and Lex, which has given us a lot to play with in Season 6. And reader feedback always helps. We peruse the message boards, and a lot of times it echoes what we're already feeling.

TV Guide: What exactly happened when Clark threw the dagger at Fine?
Gough: This was something that got cut out of the episode for various reasons: Remember when Clark impaled Fine on the Fortress console [in the November-sweeps "Solitude" episode]? Basically, Fine infected the console. Fine is a computer and is all about probabilities, so he knew that if he went after Lex, that would lead Clark back to Jor-El, and Jor-El would tell Clark to get rid of the vessel, and Clark would never do that. Fine sort of calculated what Clark would do based on what Clark had done previously, which is always to protect humanity and not kill anybody. That was his endgame.

TV Guide: Zod said that Lex is dead. Is he?
Gough: No, of course not! [Joking] There's some alien technology that can repair the situation. But [the finale twist] won't be without consequences for Lex, either. We wanted it to be interesting and compelling, but we didn't want a guy in spandex to come jumping out of the Phantom Zone. We came up with the idea that his body had been destroyed and he was in the Phantom Zone in spirit only. That keeps the focus on our people and put them in the most extreme danger.

TV Guide: One thing that struck me was when Jor-El told Clark that Zod destroyed Krypton. That seems a departure from traditional Superman mythology.
Gough: The idea was that on Krypton — and we'd like to explore some of this in Season 6 — Zod was the ultimate terrorist. He and Jor-El were once friends and became enemies. As a result, there was a breakaway. It has more to do with political intrigue rather than that the planet started spinning too close to the sun, which has always sort of been the traditional story.

TV Guide: What about Clark and Chloe? That was some kiss. She's had a rough time of it already — you can't make him break her heart again! Might they be a couple next season?
Gough: I think there's always that possibility. That was to show the potential that that could happen. Or, it could just be a Hawkeye-Hot Lips "in the heat of battle" thing. [Laughs]

TV Guide: Well, if it doesn't work out with Clark, then give her a boyfriend next season!
Gough: That's in the cards. That is definitely in the cards.

TV Guide: Anything else you can tease about Season 6?
Gough: The theme is the rise of Lex Luthor. You're definitely going to see the more ruthless Lex Luthor you know from the comic books really start to emerge. The season will also be about the corruption of good — not only Lana, but Martha. Will she get involved with Lionel? And when Clark does come back from the Phantom Zone, what will it have done to him? We never really explored what happens to somebody inside the Phantom Zone, which is really the ultimate incarceration.

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I'm very excited to hear that Clark and Chloe is a possibility next year. And that S6 will revolve around Lex a lot more than in the past. Michael plays the character to perfection, so I definitely don't mind having him up on the screen more often.

boydston_14

05-18-2006, 09:59 AM

I cannot wait for season 6 now! I want to see Lex go completely evil next season, which we all know Micheal can play that part easily (remember Onyx?).

FVD

05-18-2006, 03:52 PM

Well don't get your hopes up on the Chlark thing. ;) I just wouldn't like the idea of Clark going through all the main chicks on the show. First Lana then Chloe and eventually Lois. Though if a relationship does happen keep it short. I say just give her a boyfriend as long as it's not another Jensen Ackles.

And I'm gonna look forward to Lex's rise to power. Sweet. :D

boydston_14

05-18-2006, 05:04 PM

What was your favorite episode this season?
Hidden, with Vessel and Reckoning just behind it.

What was your least favorite (or possibly, what was the worst) episode this season?
514 - Tomb. Quite possibly the worst episode of the series in my opinion.

What was your favorite scene this season?
Jonathan Kent's funeral. Perhaps the saddest moment of the series. I almost cried seeing it.

Who was your favorite guest star?
James Marsters (Professor Fine), perhaps the best villain we've seen in a while.

What happened that you saw coming a mile away?
As much as I didn't want it to happen, the Lex being the vessel for Zod. I wanted Zod to have his own body, though I knew for some reason (maybe the episode title) that it wan't going to happen.

What happened that caught you off guard?
Clark in the phantom zone. I really expected (until I saw the episode) that the cliffhanger would involve Zod getting his own body or something to that matter.

What didn't happen that you really thought would?
Like Torn said, I expected Clark to get his super breath power. Also, I thought in the beginning that this was going to be the last season.

Tornado

05-18-2006, 09:48 PM

WuTical

05-18-2006, 10:33 PM

It's offtopic, but we were kind of talking about this not too long ago:

The Mercy Reef (Aquaman) Trailer:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CC611E973B3397B0

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I know I said I was kind of glad that the show was cancelled so that Gough and Millar could devote more time to Smallville, but I'm definitely interested in at least seeing the pilot for this show at some point in the future. Justin Hartley looked decent as Orin, and the FX looked pretty good, plus it had a cool theme song (assuming that final track would have been the theme song). I personally thought it looked cool, but almost more like a B-rate sci-fi channel film than a TV show. Still though, I'd like to see it.

actually looks real good

shame it didnt get picked up

Rogue

05-19-2006, 01:56 AM

That was a pretty good trailer. And yes, that's a badass song. I have it burned on my "road trip" CD for this summer. ;)

Aquaman is HOT (however, not hotter than Tom Welling..*sigh*)!!

I'm sad this didn't get picked up.

insaneMoViEgoer

05-19-2006, 01:57 AM

it still has a chance to be picked up by another network

Rogue

05-19-2006, 02:00 AM

True, but I highly doubt it.

Freelow

05-19-2006, 07:19 AM

It's offtopic, but we were kind of talking about this not too long ago:

The Mercy Reef (Aquaman) Trailer:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CC611E973B3397B0

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I know I said I was kind of glad that the show was cancelled so that Gough and Millar could devote more time to Smallville, but I'm definitely interested in at least seeing the pilot for this show at some point in the future. Justin Hartley looked decent as Orin, and the FX looked pretty good, plus it had a cool theme song (assuming that final track would have been the theme song). I personally thought it looked cool, but almost more like a B-rate sci-fi channel film than a TV show. Still though, I'd like to see it.

Man, I just watched that trailer and I would have definately watched that if it aired. The guy playing Aquaman seems to be a lot better actor, and a better fit for the role, than the guy they had earlier this season on Smallville.

That, and the brunette chick who was in the bikini is hooooooooooootttttttttttttt. :D

boydston_14

05-19-2006, 09:33 AM

I'm hoping beyond hope that this gets picked up by some other network, perhaps USA or Sci-Fi.

FVD

05-19-2006, 11:21 AM

Yeah that was a pretty cool trailer. Fingers crossed that it gets picked up by another network.

Rogue

05-21-2006, 01:47 AM

The last match is for all you Smallville fans. :P

http://comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27066&page=162

boydston_14

05-21-2006, 02:21 AM

The last match is for all you Smallville fans. :P

http://comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27066&page=162

Cool. I already put down my word on the match.

Angelixx

05-21-2006, 03:15 AM

It's offtopic, but we were kind of talking about this not too long ago:

The Mercy Reef (Aquaman) Trailer:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CC611E973B3397B0

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I know I said I was kind of glad that the show was cancelled so that Gough and Millar could devote more time to Smallville, but I'm definitely interested in at least seeing the pilot for this show at some point in the future. Justin Hartley looked decent as Orin, and the FX looked pretty good, plus it had a cool theme song (assuming that final track would have been the theme song). I personally thought it looked cool, but almost more like a B-rate sci-fi channel film than a TV show. Still though, I'd like to see it.

hey so thats where fox crain from the soap opera 'Passions' disapeared to...he became aquaman ;)..i love him...shame this didnt get picked up, it looked pretty good

WuTical

05-23-2006, 08:06 PM

http://www.kryptonsite.com/cwupf1.jpg

time to cut the hair and shave....we need season 6 asap

SupesStarts

05-23-2006, 09:15 PM

I've been doing some reading about the character of Lana Lang cuz before Smallville I had never heard anything about her and whats been going on with the character I wanted to know if it was based on something that has happened in the comics.

What I found out about her really reminds me of Chloe.

1. In the modern DC Comics continuity, she and Clark Kent, who was never Superboy as a youth, were and still are close friends with a certain degree of romantic tension between them.

2. Lana was a childhood friend of Clark, with a certain degree of romantic tension in the air as Lana had long pined after Clark who had loved her only platonically in return

3. The fact that Pete is the one she marries, which in smallville Pete was in love with Chloe but not Lana.

4. In the Silver Age stories, Lana often behaved like a younger version of Lois

5.In the late 1980s Superboy TV series, Lana was played by Stacy Haiduk. In this version, she was a lifelong friend of Clark, and she and Clark investigated all of the unusual incidents that took place in Capitol City whereas on Smallville Chloe and CLark investigate unusual things in Metro and Smallville.

6.The pilot episode of Superman: The Animated Series followed the "post-Crisis" comics, with Lana being the first person Clark confided in about his superpowers. Similar to Smallville but Pete was the first one he confided too.

7. In September-October 1952, Lana Lang leaves Smallville and arrives in Metropolis. She works for a time as a reporter at the Daily Planet.

8. Lana met young Clark Kent and began a friendship that has lasted throughout their lives. Lana displayed an early infatuation with Clark, often to the young boy's chagrin. As they entered their teens, Clark and Lana grew closer, their youthful friendship blossoming into a full-fledged . case of young love...at least, on Lana's part. Pete himself was strongly attracted to Lana, but she saw him only as a friend. This was a major disappointment for Pete, but it apparently did little to dampen his friendship with Clark.

9. The three friends, CLark, Lana, and Pete, were so often in each others' company that their classmates called them "The Three Musketeers.

Since there are so many people always talking about the similariies between Chloe and Lois, I thought I'd share some between Chloe and iconic Lana.

And because this describes Chloe moreso than it describes Lana, does it mean that Lana really isn't Lana?