The Official Spider-Man 3 Thread

[EvilDeadNDN]

FDM has learned that Topher Grace of That 70s Show will play the immortal VENOM in Sam Raimi's third Spiderman adaptation. We told you guys a few months back that "someone" has snagged the rights to the character of Venom off of New Line Cinema and it was reported a few days ago that Grace had been "bulking up"- so we decided it was time to put the pressure on. So there you have it VENOM! Now as for the other two stars listed above we've been told that Thomas Haden Church will in fact play SANDMAN and that James Franco will play HOBGOBLIN and not the Green Goblin II (like in the comics). No more info can be given at this time, but I've confirmed this with various sources and apparently it's quite well known.

not sure if this is old news, I figured its pretty damn new.

sounds pretty sweet to me. gonna turn out pretty interesting. thank God Venom is going to be in it, going to be cool to see how Topher Grace can pull it off.

[FilmJerk]

hm last I read Church was playing Chameleon and Grace was playing a younger version of Church think thats pretty old rumors to not sur though

[JBond]

Topher Grace is going to be in a Spiderman movie? But how will I tell him and Tobey Maguire apart?

[bbf2]

Where is this, uh, from?

[spide-ed]

i Think ill wait till the official annoncment thanks very much.

[Sock-Man]

This would be pretty damn cool if it was true. I'll wait till an official announcement before I get my hopes up but it'd be awesome.

It's pretty likely Harry is going to be Hobgoblin anyway. They're never going to use a character who has nothing to do with Norman Osbourne but basically the same abilities, so it's just common sense to let Harry take on the role and distinguish himself from his dad a little at least. Plus it means a new costume, and the further they can get from the power ranger suit the better.

[woodywoodpecker]

yeah I hope Harry does become the Hobgoblin and not GG2 I never liked that idea... As for Topher being venom. I don't know. I always saw Venom as a bigger built guy. buy hey who knows.

[bigxmenfan]

Same here I thought thomas haden church was gonna to become the venom but sandman is cool. I can see a Sandman vs Venom and spiderman match coming in this movie.

[EvilDeadNDN]

this is from Freeze Dried Movies, and they say theyve heard it from various sources as true. and their stuff is prett reliable.

[bigxmenfan]

if you say so

[spide-ed]

I only trustthe words that come out of Sam Raimis mouth, not some fat webmaster geek.

[EvilDeadNDN]

well take it for what yall want. dont hafta be so damn negative, jesus. its a ****in movie guys.

have a little hope and be open minded.

[Boiiinng]

yeah I hope Harry does become the Hobgoblin and not GG2 I never liked that idea... As for Topher being venom. I don't know. I always saw Venom as a bigger built guy. buy hey who knows.

Well, Spider-Man and Venom always seemed similar in size in the comics and cartoon. So if they are going to cast him in the films, they need someone who is physically close to Tobey, and that's Topher.

[Neverending]

I'll believe it when it has been confirmed by Sony and Sam Raimi.

[Sock-Man]

Doesn't Venom kill Sandman in the comics? And isn't this like half of the sinister 6?

[darthspielberg]

That would be awesome, but as most people have said. I shall wait for the official announcment before getting two excited.

I do like the idea of Church as Sandman. When they cast him that was the first villian i had in mind.

[Mr. Blonde1]

3 villians? I don't know if they can all fit. But hey, If 3 villians means less screentime for Kirsten Dunst then I'm all for it! Although, I always thought that Venom was the kind of character who deserved to be the single villian.

[MissLadyVenus]

3 villians? I don't know if they can all fit. But hey, If 3 villians means less screentime for Kirsten Dunst then I'm all for it!

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[Sock-Man]

Although, I always thought that Venom was the kind of character who deserved to be the single villian.

Agreed. GG, Doc Ock and Venom are his 3 greatest enemies in my book.. it seems a bit unfiar to cut Venom's screen time by a third.
But then, I forsee sandman having a smaller role, he's not as well known and not as interesting as the others anyway. And Hobgoblin's screen time should be about the same as Harry's in the other movies, so in theory Venom wouldn't get that much less, assuming the movie is action packed that is.

[bbf2]

Assuming this info is in fact true, wouldn't it make more sense if Topher was just playing Eddie Brock in this first movie and doesn't become Venom yet?

[Tornado]

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Oh come on. We just found out the three villains, no way in hell we'd know about the death or lack thereof for Mary Jane. I mean, it may happen (wouldn't count on it though, they'd introduce and kill Gwen Stacy before they'd make Mary Jane bite the dust), but your post is just a stab in the dark, unless there's some irrefutable proof lying around... like Raimi's script or something.

[Frizzo the Clown]

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The preferred method is this: spoiler. So, if you're gonna announce a spoiler, please do it that way.

[zeptron]

James Franco is Hobgoblin?

Harry does not become...You know what, I give up.

I don think they will have so many villains in one movie and also why would they have Sandman and Venom. They are so similar to each other. (Though these characters could appear in another Spiderman Movie)

As much as I would like to see Venom I still think it's too early for him. I think he should have his own movie and not appear with other villians.

As much as I want to believe Church is Sandman, I don't find this source reliable at all. Until Sony announces something, I don't believe anyone.

[quiksilver022]

Meh... Spiderman 2 was terrible. I can't see Topher Grace playing a villain... Maybe I could see him playing Tobey Maguire's body double... Agh! I don't even know who I'm talking about anymore, they both look exactly the same.

[twaas]

Topher Grace a spiderman villian??

Wierd but ya never know.


IDK...we'll just have to see how it comes out.

[Sock-Man]

James Franco is Hobgoblin?

Harry does not become...You know what, I give up.

Why can't people just get over this. Hobgoblin will never be used in another spider-man movie since he's basically just Green Goblin, with a different suit, and not as dangerous. We already know the movies dont stick to continuity and they've worked fine. Why not just make the most of seeing Hobgoblin on screen rather than just a repeat of the first movie's villain?

[Alien]

James Franco is Hobgoblin?

Harry does not become...You know what, I give up.
My understanding is that Harry is the Hobgoblin in the Ultimate Spiderman comics, though I've not read that far yet.

[Agent Deadpool]

Isnt it possible that Grace is playing Eddie Brock? Grace has already said himself that he is bulking up for the role and I'm not saying we are gonna see Venom but just the intro of Brock, the suit and both of their hatred for Spidey.Meanwhile Harry could play the Hobgoblin with Sandman as his henchman but I am in the boat of waiting till Sony announces it before I get too excited

[Brenzi51]

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I thought that it was known that Church will play the chameleon and that Grace will play a version of the chameleon...that was established a while ago

[hei1spawn1]

^^^There is a difference between a rumor and a fact

[Brenzi51]

That's a fact...you can take it to the bank and do what you will with it...Why???...cause movies.com says so!

[Tornado]

Well, movies.com posts a lot of rumors too.

[halo7]

Well no matter what..Ill end up seeing it. :P

[FVD]

I'll vouch for Grace playing Eddie Brock only. I say save Venom for a potential fourth movie.

What about the other villains like Lizard or Mysterio. I'd like to see Benicio Del Toro have a go as Kraven.

[Agent Deadpool]

If they really make 6 like they say they want to then how about this. In 3 we get the intro of Brock and the suit while Hobby and Sandman are the villians and by the end of 3 the suit is on Spidey.In 4 we have Kravens Last Hunt(maybe an appearance by the Lizard) meanwhile furthering the story of a growing tension between Brock,Spidey,Peter and the suit.In 5 have just Mysterio as a villan while maybe midway thru the movie the suit makes its way onto Brock making a fullfledged Venom.Then 6 have it be all-out anarcy as Venom reeks havok with Spidey eventually winning out
I dont know if that will happen but it would be nice if it did.

[Sock-Man]

If the story is anything to do with chameleon, that just sucks. I mean what sort of a fight can he put up. He's a classic bad guy but he won't be very interesting on the big screen.

[bigxmenfan]

I would hate to see mysterio in a spider-man movie.

[boydston_14]

If the story is anything to do with chameleon, that just sucks. I mean what sort of a fight can he put up. He's a classic bad guy but he won't be very interesting on the big screen.

Exactly. That's why I hope that Sandman and Venom are the villains in 3.

[Tornado]

They're wasting the set-up they built for Curt Conners in Spider-Man 2. They should just have the Lizard in Spider-Man 3 (with the same guy from 2) and introduce Topher Grace as Eddie Brock halfway through. Maybe the Lizard takes Peter (as Spider-Man) out of action, so Eddie is hired to replace Peter or something like that.

[Sock-Man]

They're wasting the set-up they built for Curt Conners in Spider-Man 2. They should just have the Lizard in Spider-Man 3 (with the same guy from 2) and introduce Topher Grace as Eddie Brock halfway through. Maybe the Lizard takes Peter (as Spider-Man) out of action, so Eddie is hired to replace Peter or something like that.

I see what you're saying. But maybe if SM3 was Lizard and Hobgoblin out of the way too. That way Venom can have the fourth. If they do make a fourth I don't see them going any further for a while.

[bigxmenfan]

But usually spider-man is battling more then one or two villians I think sandman, venom and hobgoblin should be good.

[Chase]

1) The rights to the Venom charecter were bought from new line cinema
2) Chameleon would be boring as hell.
3) Raimi has already said he wants a villian who will push the boundaries of special effects. so a) think about it..chameleon? B) and who better then Venom and sandman. Piece of them always moving, forming, reforming, it's perfect.
4) Maybe we will see The lizard someday down the road, but i'm pretty sure connors was only introduced as a continuity/ fan kick kinda thing. Sorta of the same as mentioning Eddie Brock in the first movie.

[Tenafly Viper]

I don't see the need for Venom and Sandman both, because they're so visually similar efx-wise. It sounds better to me anyway to do Hobgoblin & Venom together, they share a mutual hatred for both Spiderman & Peter Parker, the Harry set up has been coming since the first film, imo, it needs closure already... like the GG2 Harry should sacrifice himself for Peter in the end, overcoming his father's inner demons I would've also preferred John Jameson be Venom, instead of Brock, yup I said it... :omg: because it works better from a pure storytelling point of view, he had the means (space) and has the motivation (jilted lover) to go after Peter through MJ just like Venom, but it doesn't look like that will be the case... oh well. Yes, I know Harry wasn't the Hobgoblin and Brock is Venom in the comics... correct, but this isn't the comics... example: webshooters anyone. Moving on the Lizard would be cool but he is too visceral, and needs a second villain to provide the kind of interaction that Spidey had with OC, that makes for a better villain, I think the natural choice would be Kraven the Hunter. Mysterio reminds me of the Scarecrow but Spiderman will never be as dark as Batman so I don't really need to see him, and I agree Chameleon is just plain boring for a film... Electro, Shocker, Scorpion, Rhino all have potential, while the Vulture is kind of so so with me.

So far all the rumors I've heard about who the villains have all seemed just not right... but nothing would surprise me at this point.

[bbf2]

At first I was against the thought of Sandman, cuz I didn't think he was a major enough villain to warrant the third film. I was hoping that it would be Harry and the Lizard as villains, but with the casting of Church and Grace that's absolutely impossible.

So now I'm actually OK with Sandman, because the only plausible alternative to Church's role is is (ugh) The Chameleon. Double "ugh" if Church and Grace both play the Chameleon, that's just retarded.

[bigxmenfan]

Hey you guys are saying spoilers it is a fact Church and Topher will both be playing the camelion but you wont find out until the middle of the film, you will only know that church is playing him

[Brenzi51]

THANK YOU! someone who has been hearing the same thing that I have...it truely is a fact established a while ago

[bbf2]

Where is the official source for that info? Not doubting, I just want to see it.

[bigxmenfan]

Ok I will get it for you no problem.

[bigxmenfan]

Just check out what i have posted on the other spidey thread.

[Cartagia]

Hey you guys are saying spoilers it is a fact Church and Topher will both be playing the camelion but you wont find out until the middle of the film, you will only know that church is playing him

So logically they spilled the beans about it 2 years before hand... :rolleyes: I admit that it would be cool if NO ONE knew about ti, but everyone already knows that rumor. Plus it doesn't fir the dscription's that Raimi has given about what he is doing.

[NEo881]

well it looks llike one of the villians will be venom acording to an interview

Superman-V.com talked to Evolution Effects Studios founder and creative director/president Brian K. Hillard about his work on McG's Superman movie, and he mentions possible characters in X-Men 3 and Spider-Man 3 as well. Here are several clips:

Q: From the upcoming slate of movies based on material from comic books which one are most looking forward to and why? Ghost Rider, V For Vendetta, Watchmen, Sin City sequels, Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3 etc.

BH: V for Vendetta big time, Watchman; I'm a big Alan Moore fan, I loved the first Sin City - the next should be a blast as well. I worked on X-Men 3 for a little stint and the stuff for that looks great. I also worked on all the Spiderman 3 "Venom" stuff at Steve Johnson's till we lost that show as well - however, I am excited to see what they come up with, I'm a big Spiderman fan as well. They need to make a film based on the new Image Zombie series "The Walking Dead", and I am really excited about the "30 Days of Night" that is on the way based on the IDW comic written by the bad ass Steve Niles. I'm a big comic book geek and could go on for hours talking about this stuff!!!

Q: Which characters did you work on for X-Men 3?

BH: I worked a bit on the Colossus character.

Check out the full interview at the link abov

anyway wasnt it peter who first tried out the suit realizing that it was controling him and he forced it of then brock found it so thats the way it should be if they do it

[woodywoodpecker]

well. if they do the whole story like it is in the comics it would take 2/3 movies to explain it. Honestly I won't mind if they shorten it some for the film but as long as the make Venom out to what he can be. Don't wimp him down or anything. I think venom could be an awesome villan if done right. But if they can't do him right I'd rather not see him at all.

[batman_max]

Well, how is this. Kirsten Dunst just said that Topher Grace is Venom, And that Haden Church is Sandman

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=11332

[Fanible]

I don't think they've ment for all this information to get out already, considering they're still quite a ways off from even shooting.

[FilmJerk]

man, thats a lot to squeeze in to this film, unless they decide to make it like 3 hours long which I highly doubt

[bigxmenfan]

I would love to watch a spider-man movie that is 3 hours long. As long as it is good. Hey Thats a good selection of villians. Does anyone remeber that Thomas Haden Church gave a sly hint at what he was doing. HE said this on the Jay Leno show: " I can tell you this, I will be playing a "man". I knew that he was giving a sly hint.

[hei1spawn1]

HELL YES! This is what Im talkin bout

[boydston_14]

Thank God! And I was starting to belive the rumors about Chameleon...man, that would've sucked if that had been true. I can't wait to see Sandman and Venom. Just think of how the fights in this movie are gonna look.

[Brenzi51]

I'm just afraid that the storyline for Venom is way to complex to share with another villain.

[Tornado]

While I really like the choice of villains (hopefully it's more about Venom than Sandman, but oh well, Raimi and Co. haven't disappointed me yet) I'm not sure if Topher Grace was the right choice for Venom. I know he's bulking up, but he's gotta be really bulking up to even resemble Eddie Brock.

[hei1spawn1]

Hey you guys are saying spoilers it is a fact Church and Topher will both be playing the camelion but you wont find out until the middle of the film, you will only know that church is playing him


thats embarassing...I love it when people take rumors as fact

[Sock-Man]

I dunno about other people, but I don't give a damn if Topher looks like Eddie Brock or not. Willem Dafoe looked nothing at all like Osbourne in the comics but he did a fantastic job. Ock's character in SM2 was nothing like it is in the comics but he was an absolutely awesome villain. We are going to see Venom. F' ing Venom!!!! They probably won't do the build up or backstory justice, but on the whole Raimi has yet to disappoint and either way I think visually Venom will be awesome. Hopefully they'll make him Spidey's equal in combat. I still get a buzz watching the Spidey v Ock fight in SM2, the swooping camera angles, the insanely fast and furious combat is all what Spider-Man is meant to be. With a few years more advanced CGI and a villain like Venom, I'm confident action-wise SM3 will RULE.

And Sandman, while not my favourite villain, is perfect for a special effects extravaganza.

[NEo881]

i think sandman will be the side villian i would think cause venom is probaly more well known than sandman to the newer spiderman villians esp now with ultamite spiderman game being pushed u can play as spiderman/venom so i can deffintly see venom being the main villian and maybe sandman being in for half the movie

[Sock-Man]

Don't forget they've still gotta fit Hobgoblin in there too. It's gonna be a tough squeeze.

[Mr. Blonde1]

I'm just afraid that the storyline for Venom is way to complex to share with another villain.

Yeah I share those feelings a little bit. In my mind, Venom was always the baddest of the bad. I always thought that if he was ever to appear in a film he would be the sole villian.

Also, I hope Sam changes the Venom origin. The whole space rock angle would come off really cheesy on film IMO. Even for a franchise with a guy who sticks to walls. ;)

[EnderDeschain]

I'm trying not to be pessimistic here, I really am, but I gotta agree that Venom and Sandman just sounds crowded. Plus Harry's continued evolution, and how far can they go with that with two other villains already? I thought they'd done great so far in keeping it one villain per film, and hoped they'd continue that. Especially with Venom. Maybe after you get Spidey's big three out of the way (Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Venom) you can start doing two per picture, but those three deserve the whole spotlight.

However comma, I will keep an open mind and I'm sure that this will kick ass any way about it. I just have some concerns.

[FilmJerk]

bet the producers and stuff are gonna ***** out Dunst after that

[TyRoss]

We are going to see Venom. F' ing Venom!!!!

http://blogs.starwars.com/static/img/image-selector/full/prequel-trilogy/episode-iii/21.jpg

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Neverending]

Are we actually gonna believe, Miss Dunst? Isn't this the same woman who said The Lizard and Black Cat were the villains in Spider-Man 2?

[oxygenuk]

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WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO

[spiderman_2k]

We probably wont see the origin of Sandman, he might be the opening fight that Spidey has, the longer he is a Superhero the bigger his battles are going to get, so an opening fight with him facing a proper opponent instead of just a random group of thugs shows how his life is changing as Spiderman, and after Spidey defeats Sandman have him stored away with a possibility of returning for a future film in a bigger role, that way Venom is really the main villain.

[bigxmenfan]

This movie will probably be 2 hours and 45 mins long witches.

[woodywoodpecker]

Are we actually gonna believe, Miss Dunst? Isn't this the same woman who said The Lizard and Black Cat were the villains in Spider-Man 2?

I agree. This is also the girl that wanted spider babies and for MJ to die. I wouldnt get my hopes up until Sony and Marvel annouce it themselves. Its been said taht she hasn't even read the script yet. You remember all the Batman villian rumors? the clock king and the red baron?? who did we get. wait and see don't get to excited.

[bigxmenfan]

Yeah didnt in the interview she also said that It might be the other way around?

[Ramplate]

:rolleyes: If you ask me - this is all a lot of misdirection on the parts of anyone letting go of the "secrets behind the scenes" They do it all the time.

Oh and while I'm at it - Believe everything you read on the internet - it's ALL TRUE! :hehe:

[Boiiinng]

Yeah didnt in the interview she also said that It might be the other way around?

Because she said them in the wrong order. :rolleyes:

[cg124]

I think this will be very good. I can imagine the fights between spidy and venom now. An awsome air battle would be sweet

[Neverending]

If Venom is indeed the villain, then the rumors are true about filming Spider-Man 3 and 4 together. You can't tell the Venom story in one film. If you did, then it would be like 4 hours.

[Tornado]

Unless they changed the story.

[wolfmangriffin]

Ok everyone now I have more faith in Sam Raimi than to try to bring to many villians in the movie at the same time. Ok probably what may happen is that Topher Grace will be introduced as Eddie Brock and will be a supporting character that will grow to hate spiderman allowing it for venom to be an option for spiderman 4, just like Harry discovered the goblin gear in part 2 sets it up for him to become a goblin later on in another movie, In this movie he will proabably start developing better technology in his fathers footsteps but I doubt he would be a villian yet. Church will probably be sandman and most of the movie will revolve around a triangle with him mary jane and old spidey. I know alot of people arent sure about the idea of Topher Grace as Venom but come on honestly didnt we all think the same thing about Tobey for the role of spidey. werent we all surprised then. Plus if hes bulking up a good bit he could possibly well be like Eddie Brock but the suit will more than likely be cgi so therefore make it possible to look much bulkier. ok who aggrees with me.

[Brenzi51]

that scenario isn't out of the question

[JasonLV]

Here's what I think....they will strat the movie out with Spidey being on the trail of sandman that would mean between 2-3 alot has been going on..this way makes it easier for Vemon. And maybe some newspaper adds of people seeing the Goblin back from the dead or so they think but about halfway Harry doesn't have what it takes to get rid of Spiderman knowing it's his bestfriend. As for the backstory for Vemon I think Harry will have something to do with creating him but by accident

[TyRoss]

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Maybe Venom will be such a minor cameo in the whole series that we can actually live out our lives happy that someone didn't give in to the god-awful most overused catastrophe of a character named Venom.

[EvilDeadNDN]

haha I love how I was bashed relentlessly when I started this thread, and now that dunst slipped out info, everyone agrees.

I love being right.

[Tenafly Viper]

Interesting but worrying.... because Harry needs to be resolved, already...

Maybe something along these lines...

Open with Spidey vs Sandman...
Sandman is captured but vows vengeance on Spiderman...

Then move to Peter still struggling with all the responsibilities of being both Spiderman & Peter Parker... his relationship with MJ is rocky as her acting career on Broadway is on the outs, and she is being pressured to model in Paris...

Harry and Peter have found a peaceful middle ground, but Harry is still secretly working with Norman's serum, and glider.

Enter Brock, Peter's rival who is also free lancing for the Bugle and taking money away from Peter, Brock also shows obsessive interest in MJ, even flirting with her infront of Peter...

Then an obligatory science experiment goes wrong, Brock is covering it in place of Peter who is off being Spiderman, and bio-Venom is born.

Brock uses the suit to spy on MJ, learns Parker is Spiderman and patterns himself after him (red & blue suit, they could even do a play on the first films kiss scene where Brock impersonates Peter and kisses MJ, who imediately realizes it's not him) to discredit him in the public eye... You then have a very public Spiderman vs Spiderman fight sequence... ending in a stalemate... and Venom decides to break Sandman out to help him.

Spidey gets owned... by Sandman and Venom (now black suit) chaos ensues Venom goes after MJ and Harry takes the Goblin Serum because he wants to help Peter & MJ. Another goblin is born (take your pick), at first everything is going fine the combination of Goblin and Spider are holding their own against Sandman and Venom, but just as they are gaining the upper-hand Harry begins to act irrationally the serum and combat begin turning him psychotic, he is reckless and is endangering innocent people in his fight with Sandman, who he takes out using a incendiary pumpkin bomb which turns Sandman to glass, apparently killing him, Spiderman is horrified and tries to talk sense into Harry, but Venom uses this distraction to take out Spidey, Peter is about to die, like all flawed villains Venom pauses to gloat, Harry is torn his father’s voice telling him to let Spiderman die…but his love of Peter fighting it, but in the end he saves Peter at the cost of his own life. Venom apparently destroyed along with him, but we leave it open ended… Peter and MJ profess their love for each other but she leaves to model in Paris… (leaving the door open for another love interest) Dunst’ departure from the series which is something she talks about far to often.

Spiderman 4 - Black Cat, The Lizard & Kraven the Hunter...

[bigxmenfan]

Thats (in Dexters voice): STUPID

[Henri Ducard]

I'll believe this when Raimi and Sony confirm it.

[Boiiinng]

Thats (in Dexters voice): STUPID

I suppose you have something better?

With a few tweaks it could work.

[Tenafly Viper]

Thats (in Dexters voice): STUPIDWell I guess we know who MOBY DICK is now don't we... thanks for sharing.

[ruban]

lol ^

As for this Spiderman 3 stuff, I think there will be a few villians in the next installment, yet not necessarily full blown villians at the same time.

[JasonLV]

Viper I think you might be on to something......that sounds right on the dot

[Freelow]

I have a wild concept.

In the comics, didn't Venom come back from space on a shuttle with Jameson's kid, John - or something along those lines?

John Jameson was introduced in the 2nd movie for a reason. A good director - which Rami is proving to be - never introdues a scenario or character unless it has something to do with the plot.

The movie could start with MJ watching a shuttle mission on TV because John Jameson is piloting the shuttle. At the same moment, Spidey is fighting Sandman down by the South Street Seaport at the base of NYC.

While MJ is watching something go awry with the shuttle mission, Spidey is taking a little bit of a beating from Sandman. While he is fighting, his Spidey sense goes wacko as the shuttle approaches NYC. Spidey has to sweep in at the last second to help save the shuttle from a really nasty crash into someplace in NYC. For imagery, Spidey helps the shuttle land on the Intrepid - a retired battleship that is now a museum on the West Side of Manhatten. Who's there to photograph it - Eddie Brock.

Spidey opens the shuttle to help Jameson out and a large black cloud puffs out of the air lock encompassing Spidey. He thinks nothing of it - he thinks it is just smoke and soot from a fire inside the shuttle. As he leaves, we see Petey grab a camera that he had stuck to a building to get photos of him in action.

He eventually goes home to MJ, still covered in the black stuff that came out of the shuttle. He goes to take a shower and tries to begin to remove his spidey costume. To his dismay, he can't get it off, especially where all the black stuff is. He struggles and finds out real fast that as hard as he pulls it off, it just bounces back to his body. Being a science student, he realizes it is some symbiote life form. He pieces two and two together with the shuttle save and realizes that it is an alien life form. When he tries to completely remove it, the alien forms a new Spidey costume around him - this time in black. The new costume gives him extra strength and speed - things that Petey likes real fast.

Jump ahead a little to the Daily Bugle, Brock heads into Jameson's office to hand in his photos. Jameson looks at him like he was crazy. Brock confused, looks down at Jameson's desk and sees Spidey and shuttle photos. Jameson tells him Parker beat him to the punch. Disgusted, Brock storms out of Jameson's office.

Jump ahead in the movie, Spidey is webslinging around NYC in his new black costume. He sees Sandman and a big smirk comes across his face. He has been dying to get into a fight with Sandman since he got the new costume.

The fight is over real fast - Spidey whoops him. As he is about to secure him for the police, the costume leaps out and begins to continue to strike out at Sandman - hurting him to the point we all begin to see Sandman slowly dying.

Spidey now begins to fight with himself; to pull himself and the symbiote away from Sandman. After finally getting away from Sandman, Spidey realizes he must get rid of the new symbiote costume. (Insert reference to Mr Fantastic). He begins to head to the Baxter building to get some help removing and storing the costume. Sensing what is going to happen, the symbiote removes itself from Petey and takes off.

Jump ahead, Brock is walking around still PO'd at Parker - talking out loud about how much he hates Parker and would like to get rid of him (much the same way Petey tried to get rid of the symbiote). Pan up, we see the symbiote oozing down the wall of a building towards Brock. It jumps on him and takes over his appearance. After a little bit of a struggle and a mental understanding of the circumstances, Brock is now Venom.

Let the games begin. This stays somewhat true to the comics and still introduces everyone in the theater to the key players.

[Brenzi51]

Dunst has just recently told the media that the movie will include 2 1/2 bad guys. I'm gonna guess that the 1/2 is either the Green Goblin II or The Hobgoblin.

[bigxmenfan]

Well I guess we know who MOBY DICK is now don't we... thanks for sharing.

You idiot think before you speak. I wanted to prove to someone that It is the whale and not the person chasing the whale. Gosh (IN DEXTERS VOICE):
YOUR SO STUPID

[hei1spawn1]

I have a wild concept.

In the comics, didn't Venom come back from space on a shuttle with Jameson's kid, John - or something along those lines?


Nope. Spidey acquired the costume while fighting in the Secret Wars.

[hei1spawn1]

You idiot think before you speak. I wanted to prove to someone that It is the whale and not the person chasing the whale. Gosh (IN DEXTERS VOICE):
YOUR SO STUPID

I hate you.

[Sock-Man]

Dunst has just recently told the media that the movie will include 2 1/2 bad guys. I'm gonna guess that the 1/2 is either the Green Goblin II or The Hobgoblin.

Perhaps that could mean that we won't actually see Venom at all this movie but we get introduced to Brock and the symbiote. That would make most sense. Would be good too.

[Freelow]

Nope. Spidey acquired the costume while fighting in the Secret Wars.

My bad....it has been 10 or 15 years since I picked up a comic book.

Still, my idea would easily translate to the big screen.

[Boiiinng]

You idiot think before you speak. I wanted to prove to someone that It is the whale and not the person chasing the whale. Gosh (IN DEXTERS VOICE):
YOUR SO STUPID

Who the f*** is Dexter?

[Sock-Man]

Who the f*** is Dexter?

Dexter from 'Dexter's Lab'.

[Tenafly Viper]

You idiot think before you speak. I wanted to prove to someone that It is the whale and not the person chasing the whale. Gosh (IN DEXTERS VOICE):
YOUR SO STUPID
Wait for it.............. *YAWN*



Perhaps that could mean that we won't actually see Venom at all this movie but we get introduced to Brock and the symbiote. That would make most sense. Would be good too.I'd prefer it that way too...

[bigxmenfan]

You guys need to use more action in your predictions of the movie.

[JasonLV]

well Spiderman is fighting sandman in the movie POW BAM WHAM...is that action enough?

[Agent Deadpool]

I've said this numerous times(not neccassarily on here)but I believe your gonna have Harry as either Green Goblin II or Hobgoblin.You will have Sandman as a henchman type villian to soften Spidey up for Harry as he slowly goes crazy from the serum.We will be introduced to Eddie Brock at the Bugle and having a rivalry with Pete and maybe even flirting with MJ.I also think we will find out that John Jameson brought the symbiote back with him when he returned from space in the 2nd one(ala the cartoon). By the end of the 3rd one we will have the black suited Spidey and the defeat of Harry and Sandman.I also think Kraven is gonna be at least mentioned and we will have Kravens last hunt for part 4 and Venom for 5.

[Jimmy Kudo]

If what Dunst said is true about Venom and Sandman, I wonder if Sam Raimi and co. got pissed off at her for spillin' the beans this early on.

Nice one, Ms. Dunst. :meanie:

[insaneMoViEgoer]

or it could just be a curve ball.

[Karma Dog]

... or they told her to let it slip to gage reactions before they went on and did it anyway.

[bigxmenfan]

I've said this numerous times(not neccassarily on here)but I believe your gonna have Harry as either Green Goblin II or Hobgoblin.

no DUH

[Karma Dog]

bigxmenfan, no offense buddy, I've read a lot of your posts, but do you ever have anything nice to say...? you seem to be always pointing out how stupid other people are. no one knows for sure what is going to happen in this flick yet, so one guy's opinion is just as valid as the next.

[Sock-Man]

By the end of the 3rd one we will have the black suited Spidey and the defeat of Harry and Sandman.I also think Kraven is gonna be at least mentioned and we will have Kravens last hunt for part 4 and Venom for 5.

I believe this is wishful thinking. I doubt they'll hold Venom off for that long, even though it would make sense story wise.

[bigxmenfan]

bigxmenfan, no offense buddy, I've read a lot of your posts, but do you ever have anything nice to say...? you seem to be always pointing out how stupid other people are. no one knows for sure what is going to happen in this flick yet, so one guy's opinion is just as valid as the next.


I know that last post was to obvious to state. Why would you say that Harry is gonna be either green goblin 2 or hobglobin. ITs obvious. He isnt gonna be ant-man. gosh thats why I said no duh.

[hei1spawn1]

I know that last post was to obvious to state. Why would you say that Harry is gonna be either green goblin 2 or hobglobin. ITs obvious. He isnt gonna be ant-man. gosh thats why I said no duh.



It is impossible for one to be taken seriously while saying the word "gosh"

[JackBauer]

this thread smells of specualtions...and guess what, i'm not realy into it. waiting for the movie

[Agent Deadpool]

I know that last post was to obvious to state. Why would you say that Harry is gonna be either green goblin 2 or hobglobin. ITs obvious. He isnt gonna be ant-man. gosh thats why I said no duh.



If you read my whole post in context I was speculating on what I think the next few movies are set up for.Obviously Harry is gonna be Goblin at some point but if I say what I think happens in the next couple movies without mentioning it then you would be on here asking me why I didnt mention Harry.

Back to the topic............


Yes I know they prob wont hold off Venom for that long but to me it just makes sense to build up Eddie/Venom for a couple movies the same way they have built up Harry/Goblin thru the first three.

[hei1spawn1]

The more and more I think about it, the more and more it smells like Raimi is setting us up by giving us false information. For some reason I really think that THC is more fitting for Hydro-Man than Sandman.....I dont know......just a shot in the dark

[woodywoodpecker]

maybe you will have both.. Hydro-man and Sand-man ??? anyone thought of that.

[bigxmenfan]

That would suck I hate hydro man character.

[hei1spawn1]

Imagine if Raimi set all this up so that people would get excited and then it was revealed that THC would be pate Pot Pete. It would be the best movie ever.

[EnderDeschain]

No, Thomas Hayden Church as the Gibbon would be the best movie ever. With Topher Grace as Boomerang. Kick ass!

[bbf2]

Thomas Hayden Church is obviously playing Paste Pot Pete.

This was confirmed a long time ago.

Topher Grace is "The Spot."

[hei1spawn1]

Topher Grace is "The Spot."


HAHAHAHAHHA. I remember him. Imagine Toper as the Boomerang, Australian baseball player-turned-villian

[horrormanaic]

Well from everything I've read Grace is in as is church. The thing no one is thinking about is they are trying to make 7 spiderman movies. If this is true I can't see Venom becoming a major player in this one. But to use as the next installment. Problem is Raimi is unsure he wants to do anymore then the 3 he signed for. Same goes with toby! So we could in effect see a new spiderman in 4 and beyond if movie grosses enough. But what do I know. Guess we'll all find out july 2006.

[FilmJerk]

wonder if Grace has starting bulking up yet

[hei1spawn1]

He already said that he has.

[JasonLV]

Well from everything I've read Grace is in as is church. The thing no one is thinking about is they are trying to make 7 spiderman movies. If this is true I can't see Venom becoming a major player in this one. But to use as the next installment. Problem is Raimi is unsure he wants to do anymore then the 3 he signed for. Same goes with toby! So we could in effect see a new spiderman in 4 and beyond if movie grosses enough. But what do I know. Guess we'll all find out july 2006.

2007 not 2006

[boydston_14]

2007 not 2006

I wish it were 2006.

[IxCanxSmellxYou]

Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace are to play Chameleon... at least that's what I've read:

http://boards.ign.com/Spider-Man/b5070/93976863/?22

However, I have also read that the special effects were in the works for Venom and Man-Wolf, so I am attempting to be very open minded until 2007. Although, I will say that when you have a villain as amazing as Doc Oc was portrayed in 2 there has to be an amazing follow up villain and that has to be Venom. Not only does it have to be Venom, but there has more in order to top it all off:

Which is why shocker should be the second villain, haha...

[hei1spawn1]

Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace are to play Chameleon... at least that's what I've read:

http://boards.ign.com/Spider-Man/b5070/93976863/?22



I hate you

[Sock-Man]

Why does/did anyone believe the chameleon rumour?? What a boring ****ing movie that would be..

[boydston_14]

Why does/did anyone believe the chameleon rumour?? What a boring ****ing movie that would be..

That's what I've been saying all along. If that were the movie, I wouldn't go see it.

[yankees..SUCK1256]

hey i'm new here

[cg124]

I don't think the cameleon is that bad. IF you people are giving up already just because it's him then thats pretty sad. You just have to give them a chance

[Sock-Man]

I don't think the cameleon is that bad. IF you people are giving up already just because it's him then thats pretty sad. You just have to give them a chance

He's not that bad no... but compared to the last 2 movies which have been full of high adrenaline exciting furious action sequences, what would there be to do facing chameleon. Sure it could make for an interesting story but Spider-Man would have no one to fight.
Chameleon's the kind of bad guy that should be kept for a tv show or something. The movies need bad guys with action AND story potential.

That said I'd still go see it if he was confirmed, simply because I have faith in Raimi. But I'd be VERY sceptical.

[IxCanxSmellxYou]

Aw shucks guys, don't hate me, I couldn't live with myself...

[yankees..SUCK1256]

i hope venom is in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hei1spawn1]

i hope venom is in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


me too!!!!1!!!1

[yankees..SUCK1256]

me too!!!!1!!!1 that's the spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! lol

[hei1spawn1]

that's the spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! lol

yeah manzz!1!!!1!1 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[KingMizfit]

You guys have heard Topher Grace is playing Venom...and the suit is{vomits} PURPLE!!!


I can't confirm if this is rumor or fact...check out fi-sci.net for the story.
If this is true....along with hearing that the Hobgoblins suit is going to be corny also...I fear for Raimi...the Fanboys will riot!!! Venom is one character they should NOT screw up.

I don't care if Topher took the baddest steroids there are on the planet....he will never be an imposing figure like Eddie Brock/Venom is supposed to be.

check out here....http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/category.php?id=73

[halo7]

A Spider-Man 3 Villain Revealed!
Source: ComingSoon.net November 5, 2005


Sony Pictures has revealed a first look at a villain, played by Thomas Haden Church, from the highly-anticipated Spider-Man 3 at the film's official website. The studio is keeping the villain's name under wraps (though the Flint Marko name and clothes should give it away!) and you can talk about the new photo on the message boards!

Spider-Man 3, directed by Sam Raimi and produced by Laura Ziskin and Marvel Studio's Avi Arad, swings into theaters on May 4, 2007. Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst and James Franco are joined by Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace in the third installment of the blockbuster franchise.

The "Spider-Man" film franchise has grossed more than $1.5 billion in worldwide ticket sales to date. Production on the third film, which was written by Alvin Sargent, is scheduled to begin early next year.

Everyone..Say hello to Sandman!

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/tchurch.jpg

[woodywoodpecker]

:)

[NastyNas04]

the way they word it is like kirsten dunst didn't already confirm it

[sshuttari]

he buffed up for this role didnt he.

[cg124]

Damn He buffed up!

Are they already starting to film or what?

[Xia]

Church looks so different...

[NastyNas04]

Damn He buffed up!

Are they already starting to film or what?

might be a promo shot or costume test because filming is not susposed to start until january

[cg124]

I didn't think so. I guess it's sort of like that thing they did with Dr. Octopus

[cg124]

I have a feeling that we'll see at least a buffed up picture Topher Grace as Eddie Brock or him dressed up as venom before january



EDIT: Sorry for the double post I forgot to edit

[hei1spawn1]

Perfect.

[hei1spawn1]

Is it just me or does his right arm look a lot more buff than his left?

[GHRharos]

I don't see Topher as VENOM but I'm also just picturing the skinny "that 70's show" Topher. Maybe he can pull it off if he bulks up but I dunno. And three villains seem too many of them for one movie, we all know how BATMAN & ROBIN turned out, they tried to pull that off. :nono:

[morpheus1987]

Batman Returns had three villains though. Penguin, Catwoman, and Max Schreck. It is all how you make the movie and not how many villains there are. There have been bad movies with one or two villains also

[LukeThaSpook]

Is it just me or does his right arm look a lot more buff than his left?

I noticed that too. Could just be a really funky angle. He looks awesome for this role. Congrats to whoever casted him.

[Ramplate]

I don't see Topher as VENOM but I'm also just picturing the skinny "that 70's show" Topher. Maybe he can pull it off if he bulks up but I dunno. And three villains seem too many of them for one movie, we all know how BATMAN & ROBIN turned out, they tried to pull that off. :nono:

Joel Schumaker isn't directing SM3 though - thank gawd! :D No Nipples on the Spidey suit :nono: :D

[Sock-Man]

Is it just me or does his right arm look a lot more buff than his left?

Heh, yeah it does.

But anyway, awesome. He really looks the part. I hope they keep the costume the same. Kickass.

[halo7]

Is it just me or does his right arm look a lot more buff than his left?

*waits for frizzo to make masturbation joke*

But in reality i think its just the angle of the picture.

[Mr. Blonde1]

Sweet. I'm finally getting excitied for this movie.

[Caspel]

I guess...

Spider-Man 3: Sandman and either Chameleon/Venom
...
For the other movies (assuming they finish up with six)

Spider-Man 4: The Lizard and Hob-Goblin/GG2

Spider-Man 5: Electro and Scorpion

Spider-Man 6: Rhino and Kraven


personally I hope they don't go the route of six... I don't want to be thirty when this series ends.

[ronniepage]

I think everyone here has got it all wrong - Obviuously within the 3rd or 4th spiderman installment, the Lizard will emerge, we've already seen him in Spiderman 2 ( The professor who is missing an arm for those who didnt know ) . Roederick Kingsley is the actual Hobgoblin in the comics, but since Osborn found the secret chambers its probably going to be him instead. I'm sure that JJ Jamesons son being an astronaut sets up the venom story ( a space shuttle is supposed to somehow bring the symbiotes to earth during a crash landing or something ) . And my thoery on Topher Grace is that he does something like the (soon to be Lizard) did in spiderman 2, Topher will play Ed Brock and probably be working with Peter Parker working at the Dailey Bugle, and it will most likely set up the fourth movie's plot. I just really believe that Lizard will emerge before venom, or even carnage, because Spiderman doesn't have any allies yet, which he definetly needs before reaching the carnage stage in the story.

[Alien]

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/tchurch.jpg
He looks so much like the Sanman from all the classic comics it's scary.

[DAN!]

Yeah, he does look pretty good. I got a question though......since we know that sandman is a villian, wouldn't it make sense to have hydroman as a villain too? i am just saying....and i think i would like that better than Venom as the 2nd villian.


Yeah, that pic is awsome though

[ChezKing]

He looks perfect.

It's really incredible that we are going to see Spidey fight Sandman on the silver screen.

C'mon Raimi, bring on the Lizard!!

[ChezKing]

Yeah, he does look pretty good. I got a question though......since we know that sandman is a villian, wouldn't it make sense to have hydroman as a villain too? i am just saying....and i think i would like that better than Venom as the 2nd villian.


Yeah, that pic is awsome though



Hydro isn't popular enough to come before the legendary villains. That is just very unlikely. Over at AICN they keep insisting that Topher Grace may still play Electro. If that's the case, I know how it will end. I am still hoping that S-M 3 will be Sandman, Lizard and a final appearance of the Green Goblin or Hobgoblin.

[DAN!]

But isnt the main story line with sandman include hydroman though? because i thoughtlthat is how he got introduced to spiderman. or is there another storyline that is bigger for sandman? the main one i remember is that sandman and hydroman teamup and while they are fighting spiderman they get mushed together to become a giant mud monster or whatever it was. And doesn't electro have very complicated storyline? I would think he would have his own movie. The first two movies only had one main villain. I think that there will be two villians, and they will show harry taking up the hob-goblin life at the end of the movie. I doubt the movie will incude 3 or more villians in the whole thing. it is too messy and i would be upset.

[getlost]

Sandman looks vicous it looks like he is about to transfer or something. But umm why does he look like a malester?

[NastyNas04]

why are people still speculating on who the villians are kirsten dunst confirmed sandman and venom

[DAN!]

why are people still speculating on who the villians are kirsten dunst confirmed sandman and venom


For SM2 she also confirmed there would be some kind of a "big lizard" too.

[getlost]

lol she was talking about tobeys d***

[Neverending]

Where's Frizzo with the masturbation joke? Cause DAMN one arm is definitely bigger than the other.

[Sock-Man]

But umm why does he look like a malester?

A what?

[DAN!]

homeschooling at its best :P

[cg124]

lol she was talking about tobeys d***


LOL@you not being funny

[krispee]

Sandman looks vicous
actually i like the 'vicous' bit, never heard of anyone being called that before.....
but at any rate, being a noob, are there any definite facts about the villains, or is it still rumour?

krispee

[Alien]

I know Ultimate Spiderman Sandman but that's the only comic I've ever read. What is the story behind the normal Sandman? How did he get his powers and how is he conected to Spiderman? Is Sandman just a random thug with super powers?

[DAN!]

I think he was wrongfully accused, and he ran into a dessert in like arizona to hide, and there was a chemical testing site there and he got exposed to chemicals. When he went back to NY, he took up life as a thug and eventually teamed up with hydro man. and the two got mixed up and they formed a giant mud like monster. when spiderman defeated the mud monster, a sample was kept of the mud monster. eventually the sample split back into the origional two villains. Hydroman took off to do more bad things, but sandman decided being a criminal was not for him. that is like the only story line i know of him being a villian. that is why i don't understand how they can have sandman without hydroman in the movie.

[Sock-Man]

I think he was wrongfully accused, and he ran into a dessert in like arizona to hide, and there was a chemical testing site there and he got exposed to chemicals. When he went back to NY, he took up life as a thug and eventually teamed up with hydro man. and the two got mixed up and they formed a giant mud like monster. when spiderman defeated the mud monster, a sample was kept of the mud monster. eventually the sample split back into the origional two villains. Hydroman took off to do more bad things, but sandman decided being a criminal was not for him. that is like the only story line i know of him being a villian. that is why i don't understand how they can have sandman without hydroman in the movie.

I'm not hugely knowledgeable on the comics, but I have various reference books etc and as far as I'm aware Sandman is killed by Venom's poisonous bite. IF Venom is present in this movie, I guess perhaps they would go down that storyline.. his later days as opposed to his origin and hydroman teamup.

[KingMizfit]

I'm still not feeling topher as Venom...and if they screwed with the suit AT ALL...I will probably not see this film. That don't mean that everyone else won't though.....
I'm not a hyper fan boy either...it's just if your gonna base something off a source...keep it true to that source. If you have to deviate a little ....fine. But changing major villians around for the heck of it.....sucks!

[NastyNas04]

I'm not hugely knowledgeable on the comics, but I have various reference books etc and as far as I'm aware Sandman is killed by Venom's poisonous bite. IF Venom is present in this movie, I guess perhaps they would go down that storyline.. his later days as opposed to his origin and hydroman teamup.

true that is what happens

[woodywoodpecker]

i just don't know yet. something tells me Topher is not Venom. didn't Sam say he didn't like venom? and that he wanted to use the classic villians. What may happen is Topher may work for Harry as the Hob-Goblin.

oh yeah and don't rely on ms. dunst as a reliable source. she also said she wanted spider babies and for mj to be killed off or something.

[DAN!]

yeah, dunst is not some one i would take seriously.

[getlost]

Who think she is cute?

[DAN!]

i don't like cute girls. i like them hot, sexy, and drunk.

[woodywoodpecker]

Who think she is cute?

shes just ok... i really do wish Kate Hudson had got the MJ role. she just fits it better and Kate is hott... :D

[hei1spawn1]

i don't like cute girls. i like them hot, sexy, and drunk.

Hell yes

[FilmJerk]

I havent read any comic books, but Sandman and Juggernaut's, from X men, alter ego's have the same last name. Are they related or connected in any way?

[Mr. Blonde1]

Who think she is cute?

Personally, I think Dunst's face looks like a closed fist...

[Sock-Man]

Personally, I think Dunst's face looks like a closed fist...

Nicely put. ;) I agree. She's an awful MJ.
Though admittedly she was at least a bit better in SM1 when she actually had the red hair...

[getlost]

I didnt realize. She didnt have red hair in SM2?


Question everything or shut up and be a victim of authority.

[DAN!]

Question everything or shut up and be a victim of authority.
pretty random there

[morpheus1987]

I think its a bootleg signature. Hey getlost go into your user cp and put that as your signature

[DAN!]

yeah, i didn't realize it until i saw it in another thread. i don't think he can have a sig yet. don't you need certain amount of posts? that must be why he is doin it that way.

[morpheus1987]

Yeah. I thought you could have a sig from the beginning, but its kind of funny since he has to type it in everytime he makes a post

[DAN!]

well, he wouldn't of had to if he didn't get banned the first time lol

[bbf2]

Kirsten Dunst = Billy Corgan with a wig

Seriously. It's uncanny.

[morpheus1987]

Kirsten Dunst = Billy Corgan with a wig

Seriously. It's uncanny.


thats funny, I can so picture that

[Sock-Man]

Kirsten Dunst = Billy Corgan with a wig

Seriously. It's uncanny.

Argh, holy crap, you're right.

[DAN!]

wow.....lol, it is like a major breakthrough

[woodywoodpecker]

I have heard Kirsten referred to as a "Lazy Eyed Snaggle Tooth Troll" from wwtdd.com


I can't top that.

[Tony Montana]

Sandman looks fantastic. Vicious, as someone stated before.

[getlost]

Thanks for agreeing tony that was me.


Question everything or shut up and be a victim of authority.

[getlost]

well, he wouldn't of had to if he didn't get banned the first time lol

What are you talking about?


Question everything or shut up and be a victim of authority.

[DAN!]

What are you talking about?

you know what im talkin bout :P

[hei1spawn1]

What are you talking about?




Does the name "bigxmenfan" ring a bell?

[insaneMoViEgoer]

Does the name "bigxmenfan" ring a bell?
or
urnothinglikeme
readytotalk
toolateforfun
ilikethisite

any of those ring a bell?

[woodywoodpecker]

I still dont think Topher will be venom. but if he is. imagine all the cgi needed for this move :eek: :eek: think of the budget..

[woodywoodpecker]

Thanks for agreeing tony that was me.


ladddie freak'n daaa



:hehe:

man I loved Chris Farley.. :waa:

[getlost]

or
urnothinglikeme
readytotalk
toolateforfun
ilikethisite

any of those ring a bell?

No, I heard Dan calling me "bigxmenfan". Please stop that. OK I am not A bigxmenfan. well I like it but im not obsessed. Anyway. Insane I dont know those names either.

[KingMizfit]

I was going to provide a link talking about Topher possibly playing Electro...but the Link won't take me to the article anymore.
N-E-ways....Electro might be cool...if they don't stick him in that ridiculous outfit from the comics.....

[DAN!]

now i know who electro is, but it has been awhile. wasn't he somehow connected to the red skull and the chamileon and that is how he got his powers? it seems like a complex story line, and he would have to be like the only villian in the movie for it to happen. from what i remember he was like the chamileon's brother and the red skulls son.

[hei1spawn1]

Thats a different Electro, the Electro in Spiderman is Electro II

http://www.comicboards.com/marvelguide/e.htm

Scroll down to his name. This is a really useful resource, you should bookmark it

[DAN!]

oh, that explains a lot. why do they have the same name? that makes it so hard.

[KingMizfit]

Well..to sum him up. he wears a green and yellow suit, with electric/lightning bolts sticking out of his face mask. head. It would look really wierd in a live action film.
here is a good link where you can see him and all the other spidey villians. Take a good look at venom..then look at electro...and ask yourself...what would be a better role for a skinny pasty dude like topher grace.

http://www.samruby.com {go all the way to the bottom of the page and you will see where you can access a complete villian list}

[woodywoodpecker]

ok .. topher will be electro and him an spiderman will come together to defeat Sandman???

still doesnt seem right. do we really know Topher is even a bad guy.

[DAN!]

that is a good question. there is no actual proof of who he is playing, therefore it could be anyone, good or bad

[woodywoodpecker]

believe me I know this is not a good source but http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0333410/


but they have been known to be wrong before ;)

i'm still not sure really.. for me to believe it . I'll have to see the movie. so its gonna be a long wait.

[DAN!]

bah, that is terrible. he doesn't look the part an i don't want to see venom. you would think they would have learned from batman that CGI is not the best way to go. bah, the film industry is nuts. but your right, IMDB tends to use rumors as facts......then they go back and change it

[woodywoodpecker]

if you read the summary they give .. they mention only the sandman and hob-goblin.. :confused:

[DAN!]

yeah, i don't get it. and i highly doubt that they would go two movies with one villain to a movie with 3 villains. it is too big of a change.

[hei1spawn1]

that is a good question. there is no actual proof of who he is playing, therefore it could be anyone, good or bad


It was announced thaty he would be playing a villian] whewn his casting was announced. And everything on imdb is to be taken with a monumentally large grain of salt.

[woodywoodpecker]

you sure??? i dont remember them saying that. all I remember is them annoucing him being cast...

[hei1spawn1]

I could have sworn that it was confirmed, but some places it is while others it isnt. But all signs point to yes since the guy has been lifting weights since september preparing for the role, but you never know....

Edit: And he has also blonde-d his hair (Eddie Brock has blonde hair)

[KingMizfit]

How the hell can Topher buff up to the pro wrestler size needed to accurately portray Eddie Brock/Venom?
Without steroids...there is no way he can. If Venom is done all CG, and he's only big when he's Venom...then maybe....but I still say it's impossible for him to become the right size.

[hei1spawn1]

How the hell can Topher buff up to the pro wrestler size needed to accurately portray Eddie Brock/Venom?
Without steroids...there is no way he can. If Venom is done all CG, and he's only big when he's Venom...then maybe....but I still say it's impossible for him to become the right size.


In the Ultimate comics Eddie Brock is a little guy, (not little but not the huge Eddie we're used to) and then when the Venom suit latches onto him he turns into a huge muscular venom

[KingMizfit]

Sooo.....there not going the original route then eh? Blasphemy! LOL...just as long as it doesn't suck I'm fine with that!
Have you heard the purple Venom suit rumor?

[hei1spawn1]

Yeah, I dont think theyre that dumb. I remember hearing about Daredevil looking like a really bad Zorro, but the costume turned out really good. I wont judge until I see it.

[spide-ed]

I think the fact Topher has dyed his hair blonde, along with Dunst's slip on TV means we can assume he WILL be playing Eddie Brock/Venom. Discussion over

[DAN!]

I think the fact Topher has dyed his hair blonde, along with Dunst's slip on TV means we can assume he WILL be playing Eddie Brock/Venom. Discussion over


right..... blonde hair and a stupid actress talking. that definatly means eddie brock is venom :cool: . i am not saying topher won't play venom, i am just saying there is not enough evidence to say that he is.

[Sock-Man]

right..... blonde hair and a stupid actress talking. that definatly means eddie brock is venom :cool: . i am not saying topher won't play venom, i am just saying there is not enough evidence to say that he is.

Well there's not enough to be certain, but it's looking fairly likely to me. Almost certain. I feel like I can comfortably assume. There's still the chance he could be someone completely different. But I doubt it.

[Titacus]

Don't forget about Topher lifting weights and bulking up. Hey I actually think Topher will do a good job. It is going to be a trip though watching him be Venom.

[spide-ed]

right..... blonde hair and a stupid actress talking. that definatly means eddie brock is venom :cool: . i am not saying topher won't play venom, i am just saying there is not enough evidence to say that he is.

Hmm but what would Detective Columbo say, with all this evidence mounting up?

[KingMizfit]

LOL.You guys know whats funny? If Topher was playing Eric Foreman in an episode of that 70's show....and he was bulking up to say.....impress Donna or something...it would be hysterical.We'd be like...impossible! In real life...we hear dudes bulking up{which I still say he can only Bulk so much} and were like .."cool".,it's possible he can get Venom size....LOL!
Life is funny....
N-E-WAYS...IF it's true...I'm fine with it....I'll wait to see if it sucks when it comes out...and if It doesn't...great...but if it does.....oh man.....I will have soooo many Zingers to type about eric...errr...I mean Topher.

[boydston_14]

Man, what's your deal with Topher? I mean, I'm not one to say that he is Venom-size, but still, I think you're going a little bit overboard with it. But that's just me.

[Fanible]

I'd say look at Christian Bale if you want any examples. He weighed something like under 100 pounds in the Machinist? Then he went from that to bulking up to a WWF wrestler size for Batman, and he had to tone it down because he was too big and they were afraid he might not fit into the suit. :cool:

[woodywoodpecker]

Christan Bale =The Man

[KingMizfit]

Whats my deal with Topher? LOL! Well quite simply I think he's the wrong choice for Eddie Brock/Venom.
How is it overboard to joke around? If you take it seriously sorry. So I don't think I have a "deal" with Topher, I'm justing stating my Opinion. I think dudes awesome on the 70's show...and I hate to typecast him...but I feel Venom is a villian lots of fans want to see done RIGHT, and forgive me for saying so...but Topher doesn't exactly have the "tough guy" appeal to him that I feel is needed for this character.
As far as Bale goes....he LOST weight for the machinist....if you watch American Pyscho you'll see he was pretty big to begin with. I don't think it was too tricky for him to put it back on. Comparing him and Topher IMO...don't work.

[woodywoodpecker]

Honestly no one is 100% sure Topher is venom. I don't care what anyone says there is no concrete source saying he is. and if he is then fine by me.. its not like hes a bad actor or anything. I'm sure he would do fine. plus he doesn't really need to be all that big. the symbiote(sp?) can make that happen.

[KingMizfit]

Yeah I know the symbiote can make it happen......but thats kind of weak.Plus...thats not the way Venom worked...he didn't make Brock BIGGER he made him stronger. Also...I'm NOT saying Topher sucks or anything....I just don't think he's right for Venom. When the movie comes out and if he is awesome in it...I'll glady come back and eat my humble pie.
Something just tells me that he's not Venom though.....I just don't think anyone would consider him for that role. Honestly...if you were to think about it...would he have been someone you picked when thinking about who would play Venom?

[DAN!]

Hmm but what would Detective Columbo say, with all this evidence mounting up?

he would probably say the topher is playing a villian with blonde hair. :cool:

seriously, you think that topher working out automaticly makes him venom? because i would think pretty much every villain would require him to "bulk up." right? and blonde hair? Eddi Brock is the ONLY villain with blonde hair? I don't know man. all i know is that no one is sure of who the last villain is right now.

[boydston_14]

Whats my deal with Topher? LOL! Well quite simply I think he's the wrong choice for Eddie Brock/Venom.
How is it overboard to joke around? If you take it seriously sorry. So I don't think I have a "deal" with Topher, I'm justing stating my Opinion. I think dudes awesome on the 70's show...and I hate to typecast him...but I feel Venom is a villian lots of fans want to see done RIGHT, and forgive me for saying so...but Topher doesn't exactly have the "tough guy" appeal to him that I feel is needed for this character.

Oh. Sorry about that, just thought you were trying to beat a dead horse with the whole Topher/Venom thing.

[Brenzi51]

Why can't you people get this through your thick skulls!..Brock does not have to be jacked! He isn't in some of the comic books! All Topher has to do is get into decent shape and succeed in his acting abilities..god....phew...I had to vent...

[EnderDeschain]

Eddie Brock was always an imposing physical presence in the comics. I mean, it's comics so pretty much everyone is, but he was always portrayed as looking damn near 'roided out. While it isn't the most important thing in the world, I just can't see him any other way. I see him as looking like a meaner version of Steve Rogers, that clean-cut all-American look, just gone awry. Howie Long would have been perfect for Brock if he could act worth a fu**. I'm just saying strictly his physical appearance. But hey, if they are gonna have Topher be Venom (which I'm not even close to believing yet, I'm just saying if), then I won't complain and will go into it with absolute faith. I wouldn't have seen Molina as Doctor Octopus either, but that worked out brilliantly.

By the way, I had Doc Ock pegged as Anthony Hopkins. The accent's wrong, but other than that I thought he was perfect. Raimi and company proved me wrong, because it turns out Molina was perfect.

[Sock-Man]

I never really thought as Brock as a really muscley kinda guy, but certainly a bit beefy. I admit, Topher is nowhere near how I picture Eddie Brock. But then, I thought Willem Defoe looked nothing like Norman Osborne. And he doesn't really, Norman was a big kinda guy and he has very recognisable hair which they didn't incorporate, but he was great in the film.
Plus I think with Brock they're trying to make him more like Peter, around his age, probably a similar kinda guy but with darker ambitions. I always thought of Brock as being older than Peter in the comics and a young one makes sense for the movie. Plus I'm sure Venom will get beefier when the suit goes on, but even then I doubt we're gonna see the ultra beefed up muscle venom, it just looks silly in real life. He'll probably be slimmed down a little. This is ofcourse assuming Topher is Venom.

[KingMizfit]

I kinda thought something similar Sock-man. I bet they have parker/brock about the same age,similar goals..ect..ect..
Still...I am not a fan of changing core comic characters stories around. We'll see how it turns out though....

[woodywoodpecker]

yeah i never thought of that. having them look like very similar people. actually I'm kinda likin that now :)

[hei1spawn1]

In the Ultimate-verse this is Eddie Brock:

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/ultimate_spid/ultimateeddiebrock.JPG


And Venom is still huge:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0302/usm38.jpg




And I really hope they go with a design from the McFarlane era and not the mid-90's era



McFarlane: Much darker in color with smaller and darker highlights on costume, less tongue, and less gums. No acidy saliva. Much more intimidating.

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom/venom.jpg

http://www.htv.com.br/webforce/marvel/venom00.jpg



90's:

http://samruby.com/Villains/Venom/VenomBend.gif

http://samruby.com/Villains/Venom/VenomDie.gif

More blue than black, more over-the-top features (gums, tongue, etc.)



I'd also like to see an idea from the Ultimate comic to take part. When Brock gets the symbiote he doesnt have the symbol on his chest, making it more realistic and less like a superhero/antihero dressing up

[KingMizfit]

Yes! Thats what I've been saying! Plus...the "suit" isn't what makes Brock big.
He's jacked up on his own. Making Venom any less jacked up IMO..is not staying faithful to the character...and there is no way...NO WAY...Topher can get that buff.

[Sock-Man]

I don't see what the problem with the symbiote adding muscle to Brock is. NOBODY is as big as Venom. Maybe it's not staying true.. but so what.. it's not a biggy. And it makes more sense in the movies for Brock to be a similar kind of guy to Peter. Personally, I thought the ultimate Venom worked fine.

I do prefer the mcfarlane Venom, though I have no issues with the tongue or gums. They're cool in their own right, just shouldn't be overdone.

[hei1spawn1]

I think it would have been cool if Topher was really weak and sickly looking and then when the symbiote bonds with him it makes him really jacked (while the suit is on) and you could watch as he deals with the newfound power which he'd never had before

[DAN!]

but then they would prolly rely on CGI a lot which i don't want. Batman Begins was so cool because it didn't depend on CGI. i really hope it is not venom for that one reason. i like the villain, i just don't think that cgi is capable of pleasing me with him yet. and i just find it odd that they would put two BIG villians in one movie, and give doc oc his own movie. I am not saying Doc oc is a small time villian, cause he isn't. But sandman and venom i would qualify a step up from him. why would they squsih them into one movie and give doc oc his own? Doesn't it seem weird to anyone else? They both have pretty complex story lines too as far as i know too. eh. and i remeber raimi saying he didn't want to do venom. i think it might be possible that he plays eddie brock, but not play venom....yet. maybe they are just introducing the character in this one, and saving the actual villain for later. is there any other characters in the comics that fit tophers description?

oh, and i hope they don't kill sandman in the movie. i am really tired of all the superhero movies "killing" off all the villains. In the comices, the villains never got killed that much as far as i know. They either got away or went to prison from what i know. Both villains were killed in the spiderman movies, daredevil, and all the batmans (except a few, the worst ones).

[Sock-Man]

but then they would prolly rely on CGI a lot which i don't want. Batman Begins was so cool because it didn't depend on CGI. i really hope it is not venom for that one reason. i like the villain, i just don't think that cgi is capable of pleasing me with him yet.

I'm the opposite. Usually I'd take costume over CGI any day, but I think a fully costumed Venom just wouldn't work. The face has to be CGI imo and I always imagined the symbiote as being quite fluidy and that should show. Plus I want to see Venom (not Brock) get pretty beefy. The kind of beefiness you get in comics but don't usually get in movies because it looks silly. This and thinking about the kind of moves Venoms going to have to pull off in CG anyway, it makes sense to me to do him mainly in CG. Even if they do have a suit and enhance it with CG or something. A suit could very well look awkward and unrealistic in venoms case is what I'm trying to say.