a theory from Batman Begins...

[darthspielberg]

I know they set up a sequel, but something beyond the obvious tipped me off to a villian that could be joining the series (and it has been discussed for the third movie, officially, that I know off.)

so here we go...

Rachel is Gotham's Assistant District Attorney. Her boss, the District Attorney is shot in the back and killed. Rachel confirms this when she says her boss has been missing for two days. I am thinking they bring in a new DA...one who is it bit well known to the fans...Harvey Dent...who, in one of the films, becomes Two-Face...

so...comments? agree/disagree?

[batman_max]

Yeah, I was curious abou that too, but I'm sure he will be featured as himself in the sequel.

[Boiiinng]

Yeah, I definitely remember reading that Harvey is DA in the first sequel. Whether he becomes Two-Face then or later is up in the air, but I hope to god they learn from the first series. ONLY ONE VILLAIN PER MOVIE!!!

[darthspielberg]

well, there are two in Begins, but not like the others...

[urnothinglikeme]

What are the two villians in batman begins. I know one is scarecrow what is the other

[Ramplate]

Ra's Al Ghul is a Batman villain

[FilmJerk]

What are the two villians in batman begins. I know one is scarecrow what is the other
how's living under a rock these days?

[Denis Lalumiere]

What are the two villians in batman begins. I know one is scarecrow what is the other
1-ScareCrow
2-Ra's Al Ghul
3-Zsasz
4-Joker
As main villain and cameos,they are 4 well known characters from Batman Rogue's Gallery

[darthspielberg]

^^^
SPAM! please stop. This only belongs in one thread....not in every thing about batman.

[Alexander JL]

Question...

MAJOR SPOILER!

Was Ra's Al Ghoul also Henry Ducard in the comics? Or was this something new they threw into the movie?

Oops, thanks :) Haven't posted here in a while hehe.

[darthspielberg]

A. Spoiler tags [ spoiler] [/ spoiler] (spaced on purpoupse)

B. it was new to the films...Ducard was a throw away reference in the comics

[Alien]

1-ScareCrow
2-Ra's Al Ghul
3-Zsasz
4-Joker
As main villain and cameos,they are 4 well known characters from Batman Rogue's Gallery
Who's Zsasz? And was the Joker actually mentioned in the movie?

[Mr. Blonde1]

Who's Zsasz? And was the Joker actually mentioned in the movie?

Gordon says "There's a new villian in town. A serial killer. He leaves a calling card." He hands Batman a playing card. Batman turns it over Its a joker.

[Alien]

Gordon says "There's a new villian in town. A serial killer. He leaves a calling card." He hands Batman a playing card. Batman turns it over Its a joker.
In the cartoon The Mad Hatter used them to put people under his spell.

From what I was reading s few weeks back the next movie will be The Joker who scars Harvey Dent to lead up to the 3rd movie with Two-Face.

[Mat]

Rachel is Gotham's Assistant District Attorney. Her boss, the District Attorney is shot in the back and killed. Rachel confirms this when she says her boss has been missing for two days. I am thinking they bring in a new DA...one who is it bit well known to the fans...Harvey Dent...who, in one of the films, becomes Two-Face...

so...comments? agree/disagree?

Yeah, Harv should be in the next one, but I don't think he should be Two-face in it. It'd give time to develop the friendship between him and Bruce and maybe show some hints of his duel personalities. I like the whole idea of the joker's trial that's been circulating around the net. That would make an interesting third film.

[loki]

Did everyone forget Carmine Falcone and Joe Chill?
And Zaz was the first of Carmine Falcone's thugs on trial with Dr. Crane testifying for his insanity.

[FVD]

I agree with Harvey Dent to make an appearance for the sequel. And yes Two Face should appear in the 2nd sequel should there be one. If more sequels come I still hope to see the Penguin make an appearance sometime. As much as I liked Danny DeVito's portrayal, we don't need to see him look like a freaking Penguin for crying out loud. That is soooo typical of Tim Burton. ;)

Regarding the Mad Hatter I would so love to see the Mad Hatter in a movie. And a more sinister Mr Freeze. Arnold was terrible. I always thought Christopher Lloyd would have made a decent Freeze

FVD.

[darthspielberg]

wow...The Mad Hatter would be awesome...

[Diablo]

Johnny Depp for the Mad Hatter ;)

http://www.twitchfilm.net/pics/Willy-Wonka.jpg

[FVD]

Christopher Walken for the Mad Hatter. Oh wait. He was already in Batman Returns. Dang.

[FVD]

...or how about Timothy Spall. I'm basing Hatter off TAS btw.

[Mr. Blonde1]

Martin Short is the Mad Hatter.

http://www.nndb.com/people/060/000024985/short-crop.jpg

[Freelow]

Martin Short is the Mad Hatter.

http://www.nndb.com/people/060/000024985/short-crop.jpg

Worst idea for a casting yet.

Do not go for a lame actor who will just try to do everything over-the-top.

Martin Short sucks, plain and simple.


Now for some real fun, here's a wild concept. Let's get a black actor to play Harvey Dent in the next Batman movie, and then let's get a white actor to play Two Face in the movie after that.

And people yell at Lucas for continuity problems.

....Ooops, that's already been done. Sorry :cool:

[Mr. Blonde1]

I wasn't serious. Maybe I should have put the :rolleyes: smiley.

[woodywoodpecker]

I wasn't serious. Maybe I should have put the :rolleyes: smiley.


You shall now be hated by many because of this mistake. ... May the Batman fans have mercy on you...








;)

[sabin26]

I don't know if anybody caught it but Gordon did state that they couldn't find Craine or any of his "patients" from Arkham, sounds like they made Craine responible for the Joker (which I don't mind because they we still don't know who he really is and that's what I really like about the Joker)

[darthspielberg]

hated, for many moons...and batsignals.

[batman_max]

Well he has a point with the rascist comment he made. And Two-face should be played by Guy Pearce or Ewan Mcregor. And the Riddler would be a perfect villan in a Nolan film, think of a villan who plays with your mind (Robin Williams in Insomnia, also directed by Nolan) But don't get williams to play riddler, and no overacting comedians either. Get Edward Norton, Ewan Mcregor or Jude Law.

[smith42687]

Edward Norton or Johnny Depp for the Riddler.

[batman_max]

Where did Johnny Depp come from? He would be a not good Riddler.

[smith42687]

lol. At this point I dont know how you can Johnny Depp would not be a good anything.


http://inlandempirestrikesback.net/v-web/gallery/albums/CharlieFactory/Poster.sized.jpg

Just make it green with question mark's.

[hei1spawn1]

Johnny Depp has yet to prove to me that he can suck in a role

[Skrybe]

Hmmm .... for some reason, I like the Jude Law suggestion. I'm not quite sure I understand the obsession with Norton here, but I guess he could bring the realism to the role, which is something I'm loving from the movie.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

heres a quick photshop jod i did with that pic. its nowhere near perfect

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/InsaneTJ/Movies/riddler.jpg

[batman_max]

I picked Jude Law because he looks identicle to what The Riddler looked like in the comics. And Johnny Depp is good at evreything.

[batman_max]

And where can I get photoshop?

[insaneMoViEgoer]

you can either buy it in a store, online or get a trial version.

[batman_max]

Can someone post a link or two? ( by the way those photoshops are really good!) And is it hard?

[insaneMoViEgoer]

here's a link to buy it from the official site http://store.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catPhotoshop

and here a link for a 30day free trial
http://www.download.com/Adobe-Photoshop/3000-2192_4-10401295.html?tag=lst-0-1

it may take some practice to learn how to use it. but there are plenty of tutorials on the net to help you with your specific needs

[batman_max]

Nice, have you done any other photoshop stuff I can see? Or does anyone?

[insaneMoViEgoer]

i do, but not batman stuff

[batman_max]

Oh, can you post it or e-mail it to me? smokingsuck2@hotmail.com

[insaneMoViEgoer]

i sent you a PM, hope you don't have dial-up :P

[batman_max]

Ha, but no, I don't. I am downloading photoshop now, and I expect you to give me a full totoriul.

[smith42687]

Where did Johnny Depp come from? He would be a not good Riddler.



I picked Jude Law because he looks identicle to what The Riddler looked like in the comics. And Johnny Depp is good at evreything.



Well I think you just auditioned for the part of Two-Face. Way to completely counterdict yourself.


I think Depp does a very good job of presenting that slightly psychotic obsession in characters he portrays; Jack Sparrow, Willy Wonka, Mort Rainey (Secret Window), Ichabod Crane, etc.

He really knows how to make a character passionate about something, and that's what the Riddler is all about; the Grand Inquisition.

[spide-ed]

Johnny Depp has yet to prove to me that he can suck in a role

This guy knows the truth, testify brother. Great actors are in bad films but they are never bad in bad films. Johhny Depp being an example.

[darthspielberg]

^^^^^
Amen!

[revere75]

If they introduce Harvey Dent..which one they going for?

**DONT LOOK BELOW IF YOU DIDNT READ SPOILER**




























Original Harvey Dent (Batman- 1989)- Billy Dee Williams

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/8528/billydee3.jpg

or

Other Harvery Dent (Batman Forever- 1995)- Tommy Lee Jones

http://www.batmannews.de/gotham_city_central/flugelheim_museum/pics/batmanforever/poster/pics_big/Two_Face_onesheet.jpg

[spide-ed]

If they introduce Harvey Dent..which one they going for?

**DONT LOOK BELOW IF YOU DIDNT READ SPOILER**



Original Harvey Dent (Batman- 1989)- Billy Dee Williams

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/8528/billydee3.jpg

or

Other Harvery Dent (Batman Forever- 1995)- Tommy Lee Jones

http://www.batmannews.de/gotham_city_central/flugelheim_museum/pics/batmanforever/poster/pics_big/Two_Face_onesheet.jpg

(sigh) Niether as Begins has NO association with any previous Batman films therefore the character will be a new Harvey Dent.
Youd have thought people would have got the point that Begins is a new franchise by now. =)

[Alien]

(sigh) Niether as Begins has NO association with any previous Batman films therefore the character will be a new Harvey Dent.
Youd have thought people would have got the point that Begins is a new franchise by now. =)
F**k even Empire are hinting at the fact they don't know it's a new franchise.

[Two Face]

If they introduce Harvey Dent..which one they going for?

**DONT LOOK BELOW IF YOU DIDNT READ SPOILER**




























Original Harvey Dent (Batman- 1989)- Billy Dee Williams

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/8528/billydee3.jpg

or

Other Harvery Dent (Batman Forever- 1995)- Tommy Lee Jones

http://www.batmannews.de/gotham_city_central/flugelheim_museum/pics/batmanforever/poster/pics_big/Two_Face_onesheet.jpg



it's a restart Batman Begins is nothing to do with previous films, it's a new franchise it's NOT a prequel last four movies!

[revere75]

Who says it isnt a prequel? I sure as hell think it is. A new franchise? Thats just plain dumb...they used the same concept plus they hinted towards the original "Batman" at the end of Batman Begins. Doesnt seem like a brand new franchise...

[Fanible]

Who says it isnt a prequel? I sure as hell think it is. A new franchise? Thats just plain dumb...they used the same concept plus they hinted towards the original "Batman" at the end of Batman Begins. Doesnt seem like a brand new franchise...

Chris Nolan and David Goyer, that's who :meanie:. Nolan said he hated how they kept killing off such beloved villains in the original series. This new franchise will allow them to reuse the characters over again, like the Joker, Two Face and the Penguin. Really, killing off one of the most famous villains in the Batman franchise in the first movie was kind of retarded.

And they didn't at all hint at the end of Batman Begins towards "Batman". What they hinted at was that Joker was going to be in the next movie. :rolleyes:

Honestly, thinking this is a prequel is pretty oblivious. There'd be way too many plot holes if it were true.


I don't know if anybody caught it but Gordon did state that they couldn't find Craine or any of his "patients" from Arkham, sounds like they made Craine responible for the Joker (which I don't mind because they we still don't know who he really is and that's what I really like about the Joker)

That's exactly what they were hinting at. The escape of the patients opens up the reason why there ends up being so many crazy villains in the city now.


Worst idea for a casting yet.

Do not go for a lame actor who will just try to do everything over-the-top.

Martin Short sucks, plain and simple.

It was a joke. Martin Short played the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland... and he was great in the role. :rolleyes:

[insaneMoViEgoer]

Who says it isnt a prequel? I sure as hell think it is. A new franchise? Thats just plain dumb...they used the same concept plus they hinted towards the original "Batman" at the end of Batman Begins. Doesnt seem like a brand new franchise...
as Fanible said, there would be way to many plot holes.

- Gordon not being commissioner
- Gordon knowing Batman
- Already having the Batsignal
- The Tumbler
- Wayne manor destroyed

and the list can go on and on. so if Begins was a prequel, then they did a very poor job

[Inferno]

Who says it isnt a prequel? I sure as hell think it is. A new franchise? Thats just plain dumb...they used the same concept plus they hinted towards the original "Batman" at the end of Batman Begins. Doesnt seem like a brand new franchise...

Perhaps you should go watch Tim Burtons Batman again. Then come back to us and tell us who killed Bruce Waynes parents. Do you think it fits with Begins?

[Faithless Eye]

Everyone suggests Johnny Depp for everything. And we all owe it to.....PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN! Not any of his earlier, better work (read: ED WOOD), but for a blockbuster. I want to shoot Depp's agent.

Anyway... I want Jeffrey Combs to be in this sequel somewhere. He really should be there. Maybe as the Joker. He would be a good Joker.

We really need to see Harvey Dent in this one, but don't have him as Two-Face - except maybe at the end. Set up his back-story. Take it easy there. We don't need B&R-style introduce 8 million villains in one film.

Basically the thing to do is to let Nolan do whatever pleases him.

[bigxmenfan]

Batman Is A New Franchise Not A Prequel.gosh

[spide-ed]

Everyone suggests Johnny Depp for everything. And we all owe it to.....PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN! Not any of his earlier, better work (read: ED WOOD), but for a blockbuster. I want to shoot Depp's agent.

We really need to see Harvey Dent in this one, but don't have him as Two-Face - except maybe at the end. Set up his back-story. Take it easy there. We don't need B&R-style introduce 8 million villains in one film.

Basically the thing to do is to let Nolan do whatever pleases him.

I think that Pirates is deffo in his top 5 performaces, i think it speaks volumes that a summer blockbuster about pirates with a pretty average story got a best actor nomination for him. The film would be so unbelievably average if Depp hadnt had been in it, therefore i think its one of his best performances.

I agree about two-face and Nolan completely though. but i would add that Nolan and Goyer need to cooperate on the sequels together, they make a good team.Nolan needs a new action photographer though, i wanna see Batman kicking ass though in the next film, not just blurs.

[Dogbert0228]

Worst idea for a casting yet.

Do not go for a lame actor who will just try to do everything over-the-top.

Martin Short sucks, plain and simple.


Yeah, Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones were NEVER over the top...

I disagree with Martin Short, and the idea of the Mad Hatter in sequels. Short was in the campy Alice in Wonderland NBC TV movie, and was fine, but he doesn't belong in Batman.

But there's nothing wrong with over the top... All Batman villains are a bit over the top.

[sabin26]

I think that if you put Dent in it you need to work on the relationship he has with Bruce and to show how his other half acts out sometimes like they did in the cartoon series before he became two-face. As for Mad Hatter, Gary Oldman, j/k........well maybe not (put the hat on his character from Fifth Element and he could be pull it off). But I was actually thinking that David Hyde Pyrce could pull off at least one Batman villain (maybe Mr. Freeze or Riddler).

I agree with Dogbert that majority of Batman's villains are a bit over the top, but nothing along the lines that Arnold, Uma, Tommy, and Jim did *shivers* that was just awful.

[Steel]

Two-Face and Joker would make a cool combination.

[sabin26]

No Two-Face till a few movies later and Harvey is more fleshed out.

[spide-ed]

No Two-Face till a few movies later and Harvey is more fleshed out.

Well like you said, the animated series did it well , it set up Harveys other side in one episode then introduced 2-face for the next. That format will work well in the next 2 movies, why wait any longer?

I just cant wait to see who they pick for the role, i mean the rumour about John Cusack almost made me wet my pants with exitement, it would be great to see him in that role. Him or Guy Pearce have to do this DAMMIT!