Green day baby

[GGGG]

There is a thread for Greenday already and I know it is for the new LP. Post your comments there.

[objectionalmen]

I saw a forum of american idiot but not of green day.who here loves green dayhttp://greendayweb.yaia.com/imagenes/discografia/americanidiot.jpg

[ZombieMan]

I don't love Green Day, but I like them. They are an excellent rock band.

[Angelixx]

O I love greenday one of the few bands out there that isnt just good but has respect as wel.......like they don't need to play up the media or anything.....they just have a base of love where ever they go

[DAN!]

i want american idiot turned into a movie, and so far no idiot producer will come forward to put it on :( makes me sad

[Warren]

If I hear Boulevard of Broken Dreams one more time, I'm killing everyone.

Seriously. I'm sick of it.

[ZombieMan]

^^^ Thats how I feel about Hoobastank's "The Reason" and also those two Maroon 5 songs that they always play over and over again.

[DAN!]

boulevard of broken dreams is way overplayed. and it's just an ok song. the best part is the lyrics. the music is kinda lame. there are a lot better songs on the cd, but i guess that one appeals more to the mainstream.

[Warren]

boulevard of broken dreams is way overplayed. and it's just an ok song. the best part is the lyrics. the music is kinda lame. there are a lot better songs on the cd, but i guess that one appeals more to the mainstream.

The lyrics are pretty weak. Pretty much different ways to say "I walk alone" over and over again.

[Brock Landers]

If I hear Boulevard of Broken Dreams one more time, I'm killing everyone.

Seriously. I'm sick of it.

I agree. It was on THREE DIFFERENT STATIONS this morning. Overkill.

[Brock Landers]

The lyrics are pretty weak. Pretty much different ways to say "I walk alone" over and over again.

Yes, it is one of the weaker songs on the album. "She's a Rebel" is weak in lyrics too.

[Crow T. Robot]

boulevard of broken dreams is way overplayed. and it's just an ok song. the best part is the lyrics. the music is kinda lame. there are a lot better songs on the cd, but i guess that one appeals more to the mainstream.


I never understood the popularity of that song. Sounds like something Jackson Brown would have written and discarded.

As for the group as a whole, they are satisfactory. They come out with basically the same album every album. They have used the same chords for the past 15 years. They never have written anything particularly sophisticated or truly "great". Still, they have some catchy stuff that is better than the usual run-of-the-mill music that rock has produced recently. That is about all that matters as far as sales go.

[halo7]

yeah my local radio station usually plays holiday nowadays and every saturday morning they play jesus of suburbia.

[Brock Landers]

Sounds like something Jackson Brown would have written and discarded.

Jackson Browne is cool.


Or atleast "Running on Empty."

[FVD]

Green Day are lame and Boulevard Of Broken Dreams is pure garbage. Agreed the lyrics are weak. So glad the rumours surrounding Green Day playing the theme song for Batman Begins notably Boulevard Of Broken Dreams is NOT gonna be on the movie. It would ruin the movie if you ask me.

FVD.

[stonefaced_1]

I thought the best song on American Idiot was Jesus of Suburbia, but that's probably just me.

[cg124]

I love green day and I love all their songs. Although I do agree boulevard of broken dreams is overplayed

[Mr.Matinee]

Green Day used to be good ....emphasis on the used to part.

[PapaRoachRules]

i am a huge green day fan. american idiot and bouldavard are my fav songs by them. i also like when i come around. and i like listening to there nimrod cd. i hope they'll have a concert somewhere near Seattle or Tacoma sometime

[Daywalker]

Green day rock! I'm a huge fan. My fav songs form American Idiot are Blvd. of broken dreams and holiday, class tunes.

[DAN!]

The lyrics are pretty weak. Pretty much different ways to say "I walk alone" over and over again.

"i walk alone" is repetive for a reason though. the point is that in the next song, it is completely contrasts to "we are" which points out a major change in the character.

"i'm walking down the line that divides me somwhere in my mind on the borderline of the edge"

that line right there hints at how he goes from 'i' in this song, then changes to 'we' in the next one.

"read between the lines, what's f****d up and everything is alright."

this line show a comparison to te 2nd song. "im the son of rage and love", from track two shows he has both good and evil in him, and the line above shows his mind is no different.

"Check my vital signs to know i am still alive"

this shows that he feels dead inside, but physicly he is fine. which helps you understand why he starts questioning who he is in the next song.

and as for the chorus type part,it keeps telling you, he is alone, in the dark, in a city. there is no one there with him. not a soul. yet it the next song, which says basicly the same things that this song says, he says 'we' over and over. it is just very important to the character development. i thought the lyrics worked really well with that part. but the music just wasn't strong enough.

[halo7]

it sort of pisses me off with the people who say theyre a greenday fan when they see a video on Vh1. *half of my school*

[DAN!]

yeah, i know a lot of people like that. they are like "I LOVE LINKIN PARK! I HEAR 'IN THE END' ALL THE TIME ON THE RADIO AND THEY ROCK!" then i would be like....what other songs by them you like? "WHAT?! THEY HAVE OTHER SONGS!? THAT IS SO COOL! OH MY GOD I LOVE THEM SO!"


btw, i saw your sig and it reminded me of this letter i read.
http://men.style.com/gq/talkback/openletter

he really makes them look bad. i never even watch the grammys because of how much they suck. evil evil.

[Daywalker]

Agreed. (I've got all of their albums btw... just in case that was directed at me...)

[cg124]

I only got 4 of their albums,but I'm gonna get the 4 other ones they have by the end of the year. I also need to get the rest of weezer albums also

[krushgroove19]

i've been listening to green day since nimrod. i wish i had more than 2 of their albums, but it's not from lack of trying. it's mostly because my damn record store is stocked up with tim mcgraw and the blue collar comedy tour. damn rednecks

[morpheus1987]

I have almost every green day cd. They were a great band I just think that they sold out very bad. Cd's like dookie and Nimrod are some of the best cd's that I have in my collection, but I have been very dissapointed in the last couple of cds

[krushgroove19]

i don't think that american idiot was a sell out so much, but warning was, and i didn't like a lot of songs on that one

[morpheus1987]

Personally I thought that American Idiot was more of a sell out than Warning was, but I didnt like either of them

[Brock Landers]

Goddamnit, they're really overplaying "Boulevard of Broken Dreams." I've heard it at least five times today on the radio.

[cg124]

I hate it when they overplay songs,but I really shouldn't take it out against the band,because it's not their fault that the radio plays it too much.

[DAN!]

Personally I thought that American Idiot was more of a sell out than Warning was, but I didnt like either of them


waring was for sure a sellout and the album sucked. although, i did find minority to be a fun/amusing song and i still like it. but that that song is far from their best. the cd was just trash. and i won't even comment on the shenangins cd. makes me cry.

however, i don't think american idiot was a sellout at all. They put a lot of imagination into it, yet they kept their own tune. some songs on the album might seem like a sellout, but the cd as a whole is really good. three songs on the cd seem like a sellout, with a lot of others that really are good. St. Jiimy, Jesus of suburbia, american idiot, and letter bomb are all great. holiday is kinda cool too, but it's not a favorite.


and personally, i like the slappy hours cd the best. it has a lot of my favorite green daysongs on there. insomaniac, nimrod, and dookie are the others that i very much like. a lot of people think they sold out on dookie, but i don't care. i still like the album a lot for my own reasons. but still, i think american idiot is a good cd they can add to their dicography.

[GGGG]

Green Day and The Foo Fighters have confirmed that they will headline this year's T In The Park festival.

The festival takes place over the weekend of July 9-10 at Balado, Scotland reports NME.com.


That is great news for me!!!!!!!!!!!

[cerealkiller182]

green day will be back on the road soon. they're even coming to my school in april. does anyone kno who theyre touring with

[DAN!]

chemical romance

[cerealkiller182]

really? hmmmmm, dont know what i think about that. that song "I'm not ok" is just ok. im scared to hear the rest

[LegolasIsntSexy]

green day rules, american idiot rules, WARNING rules, bay area represent, *****es.

[Brock Landers]

God, I'm getting sick of "Boulevard of Broken Dreams". IT...NEVER....ENDS.

[LegolasIsntSexy]

God, I'm getting sick of "Boulevard of Broken Dreams". IT...NEVER....ENDS.

im glad i barely listen to the radio or watch any shows that play videos.

[Brock Landers]

im glad i barely listen to the radio or watch any shows that play videos.

I listen to the radio on my way to school.

[LegolasIsntSexy]

I listen to the radio on my way to school.

yea thats the only time i would listen to it

but its a classic rock station with "no repeat days"

so no green day

[bbf2]

There is a thread for Greenday already and I know it is for the new LP. Post your comments there.

Why did you start a new post just to tell us to post in a different thread?







(this was a joke. Yes, I know about the post time warping thing)

[cerealkiller182]

green day might be one of the greatest shows ive ever been to. they work the audience so well.

[DAN!]

yeah, they are great live. billie has trouble doesn't sing live as well as he does on the album though, because live he is also playing guitar at the same time. but they are great though. i hope i can see them april 18th \o/

[Mr. Blonde1]

whoooo! Just ordered my tickets for Green Day and My Chemical Romance! :cool:

[Kitty]

they were good, but not anymore (my opinion).

(turns on radio)
(puts it on one station and hears Boulevard of Broken Dreams)
(turns on another one and hears the middle of the same song)
(gets out bat and smashes in the radio)

[Brock Landers]

How many times can one person say "I Walk Alone" in one song? ;)

[Sock-Man]

I love Green Day, easily the kings of punk rock. I guess they don't appeal to some and recently they've gained alot of wannabe fans and lost the respect of others with the popularity of American Idiot, but I wouldn't say it was a sell out, it's an awesome album, one of their best. Perhaps it just shows the general public have taste after all.

Yes Boulevard is overplayed, so was American Idiot. Holiday hasn't got to that point yet but no doubt it will. But it's not their fault.
They are an awesome band. Who cares if they repeat lyrics, they make fast fun catchy tunes that are easy to relate to and don't wear thin easily. Songs like Basket Case, She and Minority NEVER get old and they really come into their own when heard live.

Don't dis the day. ;)

[Brock Landers]

I love Green Day, easily the kings of punk rock. I guess they don't appeal to some and recently they've gained alot of wannabe fans and lost the respect of others with the popularity of American Idiot, but I wouldn't say it was a sell out, it's an awesome album, one of their best. Perhaps it just shows the general public have taste after all.

Yes Boulevard is overplayed, so was American Idiot. Holiday hasn't got to that point yet but no doubt it will. But it's not their fault.
They are an awesome band. Who cares if they repeat lyrics, they make fast fun catchy tunes that are easy to relate to and don't wear thin easily. Songs like Basket Case, She and Minority NEVER get old and they really come into their own when heard live.

Don't dis the day. ;)

They're OK....and define "Punk-Rock".

[Sock-Man]

Well punk rock to me is rock that's played fast, furiously, doesn't take itself too seriously and has to have some anarchic influences. Though that's just my opinion on what the style currently referred to as 'punk rock' is. I'm not going to get into a debate about what 'true punk' is as bands like the sex pistols and the ramones differ from Green Day considerably.. though you can see the link.

Fair enough they're ok, they can't be considered truly great because they've never done anything particularly new or groundbreaking (though I guess thats part of what punk is, only pioneers like the sex pistols can really be credited for it) but currently they are the best at what they do imo.

[Brock Landers]

but currently they are the best at what they do imo.

That's like being the best downhill skier in Mexico....

[cg124]

I really like green day also. One of my favorite recent bands, but thanks to brocks brain washing I'm leaning more towards weezer now.

[Angelixx]

I just saw greenday on the Brit Awards.....god damn they are so damn good! The fire actually kinda turned me on!

[cg124]

I just saw greenday on the Brit Awards.....god damn they are so damn good! The fire actually kinda turned me on!


you get turned on by fire




YOU DIRTY WHORE!!!!;)

[PapaRoachRules]

ya they are awesome. i like their new song "Holiday"

[cg124]

I guess holiday is their next single. Hopefully a video will pop up online soon then.

[Angelixx]

you get turned on by fire




YOU DIRTY WHORE!!!!;)

lol How dare you!? I am!


And yeah I lvovee their song Holida its liek my freakin anthem now lol

Apparently the video is supposed to be pretty funny

[PapaRoachRules]

I guess holiday is their next single. Hopefully a video will pop up online soon then.



well i don't know about the internet, but you can see it on Mtv 2.

[cg124]

well i don't know about the internet, but you can see it on Mtv 2.


there already showing the video on MTV2?

[cg124]

lol How dare you!? I am!


And yeah I lvovee their song Holida its liek my freakin anthem now lol

Apparently the video is supposed to be pretty funny

god now I can't wait to see the video. I wonder if it mocks bush, because it would fit with the song

[PapaRoachRules]

there already showing the video on MTV2?


ya they had a commerical on it. they said that they were going to air a new video every Tuesday. and they had Holiday as the first i think. i've seen it once.

[Sock-Man]

The video's on all the time over hear. Lot's of shots of them driving in the car u see at the end of boulevard with the same background as that video.. only it's alot faster and more manic. Bombs dropping in the background, planes flying overhead. And theres a sequence in a bar where they're all dressed up as different people (Billie joe as a Geekboy, Tre in drag).
It's pretty good.

[cg124]

damn I actually have to watch MTV all day to see this video. Damn!!!!


I think i'll just wait for it to pop online

[PapaRoachRules]

damn I actually have to watch MTV all day to see this video. Damn!!!!


I think i'll just wait for it to pop online


ya i've only seen it once and that was when it first came on on mtv2. haven't seen it any other times. have you tried Mtv2 (http://www.Mtv2.com)? they might have it there.

[Sock-Man]

If you still haven't seen it, it's here, http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/video/

Go down to the bottom in the one week ago section.

[cg124]

THANKS!

pretty cool video

[DAN!]

yeah, that was pretty cool. i want to see one for st. Jimmy or jesus of suburbia :P. the next one they will make is Novocaine probably, then that might be the last one they do for this album. they might do a video for "wake me up when september ends" but im not sure. i doubt they will make videos of the songs i want though

[PapaRoachRules]

damn my computer sucks. it didn't work for me. it kept freezing up.

[DAN!]

eh, no need to rush on it. its not the best video of theirs

[PapaRoachRules]

ya i liked american idiot better, but i just wanted to see it again :)

[Angelixx]

hmm not their best video....but they dont need anything amazing.....the song rocks by itself

[cg124]

I think it would be cool if green day came out with a DVD in which they made a video for all of the songs for american idiot and the videos could all connect somehow, thats just my idea though. It would rock if they made a video for jesus of suburbia,but thats not gonna happen since most radio station won't wanna play it because it's too long

[PapaRoachRules]

how long is it?

[cg124]

jesus of suburbia? it's 9 minutes and 13 seconds long I believe.

[PapaRoachRules]

ya can't they shortin' it?

[Brock Landers]

but thats not gonna happen since most radio station won't wanna play it because it's too long

They did it for Guns N' Roses. "November Rain" was a second short of 9 minutes.

[cg124]

They did it for Guns N' Roses. "November Rain" was a second short of 9 minutes.


Damn, well maybe there is hope.

[cg124]

ya can't they shortin' it?


that would sort of ruin the song a bit

[PapaRoachRules]

that would sort of ruin the song a bit



probably would. try to submit it to a radio station till they play. from what i heard thats how nirvana got started. i know green day is popular but the song can also become their next hit.

[cg124]

probably would. try to submit it to a radio station till they play. from what i heard thats how nirvana got started. i know green day is popular but the song can also become their next hit.


nah I tell them to play something from scuba fish(once they actually release something;)) and then I'll just hang up;)

[PapaRoachRules]

nah I tell them to play something from scuba fish(once they actually release something;))


when ever that is ;)

[Brock Landers]

nah I tell them to play something from scuba fish(once they actually release something;)) and then I'll just hang up;)

Soon, damn you, soon. It's been a busy February. ;)

[cg124]

Soon, damn you, soon. It's been a busy February. ;)


A busy february? hmm that could a great album title!!;)

[Brock Landers]

A busy february? hmm that could a great album title!!;)

What the hell are we, a pussy-pop band?




(because I refuse to call these new bands EMO - since emo died in the early 80's. This new stuff is fake emo - though equally as bad.)

[PapaRoachRules]

A busy february? hmm that could a great album title!!;)


that would be awesome ;)

[cg124]

What the hell are we, a pussy-pop band?




(because I refuse to call these new bands EMO - since emo died in the early 80's. This new stuff is fake emo - though equally as bad.)


if you wanna make your point just call the album


"quit your crying pussys"


;)

[DAN!]

What the hell are we, a pussy-pop band?



if the name of the band is 'scuba fish' then maybe ;)

[Sock-Man]

if the name of the band is 'scuba fish' then maybe ;)

Oo you could've hit a raw nerve there.

[Brock Landers]

if the name of the band is 'scuba fish' then maybe ;)

I was up for the name of "Pussy Pirates" - I got shut down. ;)

[cg124]

at the greenday website it says the holiday video will offically appear on line on march 15th at yahoo

[DAN!]

yeah, 'officially' ;). i hope they make a video of one of the better songs though. i bet 'give me novacaine' is next. it's pretty good, but it's not one of my favorites. i want jesus of suburbia and st. jimmy...and letterbomb \o/

[Quagmire04374]

Green Day is my favorite band. I saw them on thier American Idiot tour at the Continental Arena on Oct. 30 2004. Awesome show. I am easily one of the biggest GD fans in the school. Dookie is still my favorite album.

[Quagmire04374]

at the greenday website it says the holiday video will offically appear on line on march 15th at yahoo
Nice! :D

[Bobby007]

That's good news. I just got the new album so I've got some cathcing up to do. I have to agree with Dan that I would like to see St. Jimmy made into a video.

[cerealkiller182]

does anyone remember i while back when a green day movie based on american idiot was gonna be made, sortof along the lines of The Who movie, Tommy?

[DAN!]

yeah, no producer is willing to put it together though. billie said he wouldn't mind it being on broadway either :P i thought that was funny. it has been awhile since they talked about it. ever since the album came out, the talks of the movie just stopped. there was more talk over the summer about a movie being made

[Mr. Blonde1]

Sorry to bump this thread but, I attended a Green Day show last night. They put on the best show I've ever attended. No other band even come close as far as I'm concerned. I've seen them once before but, I had forgotten how good they really were. Before Billy Joe closed the show with "Good Riddance" They group covered Queen's "We are the Champions". To my suprise they actually did a really respectable job of it. Earlier in the show, the band brought up 3 fans to play a song. They have done this on previous tours, but It's just so damn cool. Nobody can work up a crowd like Billy Joe. All in All this was an amazing show. Folks, If you ever get a chance to get to a Green Day concert...GO! You really haven't lived yet until you've seen these guys live. :cool:

[PapaRoachRules]

sounds like you had a lot of fun. they were here in washington some time ago and i wanted to go but i never had the chance. but i hope i can go to a concert sometime.

[cg124]

Sorry to bump this thread but, I attended a Green Day show last night. They put on the best show I've ever attended. No other band even come close as far as I'm concerned. I've seen them once before but, I had forgotten how good they really were. Before Billy Joe closed the show with "Good Riddance" They group covered Queen's "We are the Champions". To my suprise they actually did a really respectable job of it. Earlier in the show, the band brought up 3 fans to play a song. They have done this on previous tours, but It's just so damn cool. Nobody can work up a crowd like Billy Joe. All in All this was an amazing show. Folks, If you ever get a chance to get to a Green Day concert...GO! You really haven't lived yet until you've seen these guys live. :cool:


damn that sounds like so much fun

[Mr. Blonde1]

for anyone interested the new video for "Wake Me Up Whwn September Ends" is available here.

http://www.mediaburialvideos.com/ click on downloads.

[cg124]

for anyone interested the new video for "Wake Me Up Whwn September Ends" is available here.

http://www.mediaburialvideos.com/ click on downloads.

ahh cool. Although I was wish st. jimmy was their next single

[GlitterzGurl]

eh...

[HawkesAndCO]

Green Day are nothing more than a rubbish wannabe rock band who do not invent their own style of music but copy other great guitarist's styles and cast it of as their own.

Grean Day SUCK

[Frizzo the Clown]

So tell me....which bands completely invented their own music and did, in no way, copy off of anyone else?

[HawkesAndCO]

rolling stones
deep purple
led zeppelin
van halen
quiet riot
red hot chili peppers
AC/DC

the list goes on

[HawkesAndCO]

wait i forgot a few.


Queen
R.E.M
Thin Lizzy
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Prince
Guns n' Roses



all of these bands took what skills that were available and took one step further in their own style of playing.

Green Day have not done this. Pop bands are more skillful than them.

[Frizzo the Clown]

rolling stones
deep purple
led zeppelin
van halen
quiet riot
red hot chili peppers
AC/DC

the list goes on
So, you're saying that none of those bands borrowed musical ideas from anyone else, ever? Thats preposterous to even suggest.

[HawkesAndCO]

So, you're saying that none of those bands borrowed musical ideas from anyone else, ever? Thats preposterous to even suggest.


they did.
They just took what skills had been done at the time but took it ONE step further and managed to form their own style of music.

Green Day however did not take it a step further and only use basic teckniques. e.g. Power chords.

The fact of the matter is that Green Day suck balls

[Frizzo the Clown]

they did.
They just took what skills had been done at the time but took it ONE step further and managed to form their own style of music.

Green Day however did not take it a step further and only use basic teckniques. e.g. Power chords.

The fact of the matter is that Green Day suck balls
Actually, thats opinion, not fact.

[Mr. Blonde1]

they did.
They just took what skills had been done at the time but took it ONE step further and managed to form their own style of music.

Please tell me what Quiet Riot has done that's so revolutionary?

[spiderman_2k]

Seeing these guys live on the 19th...Weezer on the 15th and Green Day on the 19th...:cool:

[halo7]

Lucky Bastard.

[Frizzo the Clown]

No Green Day, but I'm seein' Weezer on July 5th.

[HawkesAndCO]

Weezer are good though

[lukedarklighter]

isnt that like the only band u dont have a problem with?

[PapaRoachRules]

if only "Jesus of Suburbia" was there new hit. they could have all 4 videos connect.

[DAN!]

eh, maybe. but to me the videos don't really reflect the plot.

[PapaRoachRules]

well it would still be pretty cool. i love how the cd is like a story.

[ilovecandace]

have u guys seen there new video ...i wanna say its prolly their best ...very good very good ..

[cg124]

have u guys seen there new video ...i wanna say its prolly their best ...very good very good ..


You gotta be kidding me. The video sucks. The lame acting and the romantic story in it sucks

[halo7]

You gotta be kidding me. The video sucks. The lame acting and the romantic story in it sucks
Meh i didnt think the acting was that bad. The beginning was a little much but that girl was a good cryer.But to me this was there most visually pleasing video.

[spiderman_2k]

The video is horrible, they have edited it over here in the UK, they cuy out all the beginning, middle and end crap, it's alot better without the bad acting.

[DAN!]

they edited it because the attn span is too low in ppl. the video is long i heard, but i have not seen it yet. it is not one of my favorite songs of theirs so i am not all jumpy about it.

[Mr. Blonde1]

Green Day are set to release the epic nine-minute "Jesus of Suburbia" as their next and final single off the album American Idiot. It will be directed by Samuel Bayer, who shot the rest of the videos from album. He says this video will be "the most literal translation of the record."
www.absolutepunk.net

My god, Green Day are awesome.

[PapaRoachRules]

awesome, that song is awesome

[cg124]

I hope the jesus of suburbia video is better than the last one

[DAN!]

if they do it reight it will be the best video from the album. i want st. jimmy tho darn it. and letterbomb. but jesus of suburbiaa should be good. it's the best song on the cd i think.

[cool_chik]

if they do it reight it will be the best video from the album. i want st. jimmy tho darn it. and letterbomb. but jesus of suburbiaa should be good. it's the best song on the cd i think.
I think their best song is letterbomb. Jesus of Suburbia is a really good song but it goes for nearly 10 minutes. St Jimmy rocks too!

[cg124]

I think their best song is letterbomb. Jesus of Suburbia is a really good song but it goes for nearly 10 minutes. St Jimmy rocks too!


so whats wrong with the length? American Idiot is overated(so is green day),but it's still a pretty good album. I'd probally give it a 7.5/10. I must say though that people give green day way too much credit sometimes

[cool_chik]

so whats wrong with the length? American Idiot is overated(so is green day),but it's still a pretty good album. I'd probally give it a 7.5/10. I must say though that people give green day way too much credit sometimes
Nothing really, it's just if they release it I don't think many people will sit there and listen to a near 10 minute song. But they could always cut it down, that would be a shame though.

[cg124]

Nothing really, it's just if they release it I don't think many people will sit there and listen to a near 10 minute song. But they could always cut it down, that would be a shame though.


well I'm sure some radios stations would play it sometimes,but at least it wouldn't get as much playtime as "blv. of broken dreams" seriously anyone who kepy requesting that song to the radio stations should just go **** themselves

[cool_chik]

"blv. of broken dreams" seriously anyone who kepy requesting that song to the radio stations should just go **** themselves
Yeah those people made me hate that song.

[cg124]

I havn't listened to the album american Idiot in a long time. I'll probally listen to it again when green day stops being popular and dissapears.

[cool_chik]

I'll probally listen to it again when green day stops being popular and dissapears.
Then you will have nothing to talk about with other people. And I doubt that greenday will ever 'disappear'.

[cool_chik]

I'd have to say the best greenday song is 'Warning'.

[cg124]

Then you will have nothing to talk about with other people. And I doubt that greenday will ever 'disappear'.


I don't talk to many people at school about music,because they listen to **** like "linkin park". And green day will dissapear for a while. They did it so many time before. They were popular when dookie came out. They released "insomniac" a year later,but not a lot of people cared. Then "nimrod" came out and they were popular again. They dissapeared for another 2 years and "warning" made them a little bit popular,but they dissapeared again for 4 years untill "american idiot" came out

[cg124]

I'd have to say the best greenday song is 'Warning'.


hmm I think my favorite is "when I come around"

[cool_chik]

I don't talk to many people at school about music,because they listen to **** like "linkin park".
Linkin Park are annoying. The band I can't stand are Simple Plan. Their music sucks and they sound like a pack of squished cats.

[DAN!]

American Idiot is overated(so is green day),but it's still a pretty good album. I'd probally give it a 7.5/10. I must say though that people give green day way too much credit sometimes


why people are so interested in the album is because it is a rock opera just like the Who and Pink floyed did. not many bands dare to even try it. it is very risky and it takes a lot of imagination. they pulled it off pretty well. most bands would have fell flat on their face.

[cg124]

Linkin Park are annoying. The band I can't stand are Simple Plan. Their music sucks and they sound like a pack of squished cats.


oh my god we actually agree on something for once

[cg124]

why people are so interested in the album is because it is a rock opera just like the Who and Pink floyed did. not many bands dare to even try it. it is very risky and it takes a lot of imagination. they pulled it off pretty well. most bands would have fell flat on their face.


yes but those bands did much better concept albums. I wish there were more bands who tryed concept albums, so I give green day credit for doing one. But still other bands have tryed concept albums that are way better than american idiot. The flamming lips came out with "yoshimi battles the pink robots" 3 years ago. It's much better than american idiot. I think american idiot really does show case some skill from them. They were always fun to listen to,but their music is just really simple and the fact that people think that they are the best punk band in the world. I don't know if I could call them punk since punk has really changed now.

[halo7]

American Idiot is a great album. One of the best of last year. Green Days all time best. But its hot right now. So naturally some people are against it. But i bet you in a few years it will be an Indy item that everyone owns. Sort of like the Blue Album.

[DAN!]

yes but those bands did much better concept albums. I wish there were more bands who tryed concept albums, so I give green day credit for doing one. But still other bands have tryed concept albums that are way better than american idiot. The flamming lips came out with "yoshimi battles the pink robots" 3 years ago. It's much better than american idiot. I think american idiot really does show case some skill from them. They were always fun to listen to,but their music is just really simple and the fact that people think that they are the best punk band in the world. I don't know if I could call them punk since punk has really changed now.

yeah, i never considered them a punk band, even though i consider some of their songs punk. they are more pop/rock, but a nice balance. but a lot of their songs are quite difficult. the song american idiot only has like three chords i think, but the tempo is extremely fast and te song has a punk rhythm in it. i can't really play guitar much, but i know how hard it is to play with that rhythm. a lot of their earlier stuff has it too. and i kinda put american idiot up there with tommy and the wall. there was more of a good vs. evil conflict which i like. the other ones centered mostly on an internal conflict. american idiot has an internal conflict too of course, but it plays the other one a little more than the other ones. and american idiot also has a semi happy ending too, which was different. talent wise they might not be as great as the classics, but when they are at their best they can compete with them pretty well i think.

[cg124]

American Idiot is a great album. One of the best of last year. Green Days all time best. But its hot right now. So naturally some people are against it. But i bet you in a few years it will be an Indy item that everyone owns. Sort of like the Blue Album.


american idiot is no blue album. Why do you say indie item? green day and weezer are not indie at all.

[cg124]

yeah, i never considered them a punk band, even though i consider some of their songs punk. they are more pop/rock, but a nice balance. but a lot of their songs are quite difficult. the song american idiot only has like three chords i think, but the tempo is extremely fast and te song has a punk rhythm in it. i can't really play guitar much, but i know how hard it is to play with that rhythm. a lot of their earlier stuff has it too. and i kinda put american idiot up there with tommy and the wall. there was more of a good vs. evil conflict which i like. the other ones centered mostly on an internal conflict. american idiot has an internal conflict too of course, but it plays the other one a little more than the other ones. and american idiot also has a semi happy ending too, which was different. talent wise they might not be as great as the classics, but when they are at their best they can compete with them pretty well i think.

umm most green day songs only uses 3 cords. They're not that complex when it comes to guitar, that's why I said simple, but it's the songs that make them fun to listen to.

[halo7]

american idiot is no blue album. Why do you say indie item? green day and weezer are not indie at all.

But you still feel a little indie while listening to Weezer dont you? ;)

[cg124]

But you still feel a little indie while listening to Weezer dont you? ;)


no,but some people at weezernation do;) You know how many people say "man weezer has lost their indie cred"? People really don't understand what indie actually is. Weezer has been signed to geffen when they made the blue album and they are still with them now. Geffen is a major record label, they're not indie. Pavement, better than ezra, neutral milk hotel, interpol, these are indie bands. Get it right!!!!;)

[halo7]

no,but some people at weezernation do;) You know how many people say "man weezer has lost their indie cred"? People really don't understand what indie actually is. Weezer has been signed to geffen when they made the blue album and they are still with them now. Geffen is a major record label, they're not indie. Pavement, better than ezra, neutral milk hotel, interpol, these are indie bands. Get it right!!!!;)

Arent two of those currently signed? ;)

[DAN!]

umm most green day songs only uses 3 cords. They're not that complex when it comes to guitar, that's why I said simple, but it's the songs that make them fun to listen to.


yeah, american idiot has like three chords. but it is VERY hard to play. the number of chords is not a big deal. like i said before, the rhythm and tempo make it very hard. the first few measures of the guitar part play on the off beat. that is not easy on guitar, and doing as fast as it is on the record is even harder. it is no where near as hard as like System of a down, but they aren't easy. anyone who tried to play punk on guitar knows what i am talking about. it is easier to learn hendrix on guitar because at least most of his stays on the beat. punk rock goes in all different directions. and most punk bands use three chords per a song because punk doesn't need them. the only knind of bands that use a lot of chords are metal bands for their riffs and bands that have a lot of melody. punk rock doesn't really deal with melody. although green day is kind of caught in the middle. that is probably why i like them.

[cg124]

Arent two of those currently signed? ;)


yeah to independent studios;)

[cool_chik]

oh my god we actually agree on something for once
The only people who wouldn't agree are the bands themselves.

[DAN!]

anyone see the new video? they found the biggest pussy to be the star. what were they thinking with him. otherwise it was weird and the same thing over and over. the part iliked was when he wrote st. jimmy on the wall. but the video is nothuing specail. idon't know where else you can see the vido except on myspace.com. just go to the bottm of the home page. you don''t have to sign up or anything

[cg124]

wow what a dissapointing video

[DAN!]

i know. they, i thought the album was good. but man, the videos suck. the most decent ones were american idiot and holiday, and even they were not great. i usually like their videos, but these recent ones were lousy. I am kinda glad this is the last one.

[cg124]

It was worst than the "Wake Me Up Whwn September Ends" video. I hated the fact that the song is about his father, yet it turns into some propaganda video against war

[ComedyMan90]

Damn I am a huge Green Day fan, I figured that they would make a amazing video for this amazing song. Too bad they didn't. Your right, that kid really way a pussy, anyone would have been better than him. Very dissapointing.

[Sock-Man]

Yeah I saw the video a week or so back. Awful. But my friends are all like oh wow that was brilliant I can really relate to it. Just full of posers, pouting and poop. And somehow people are still adamant that Jesus of Suburbia and St Jimmy are different people. Surely this was confirmation that they're one and the same.

[DAN!]

yeah, that is why i liked that one part. but the rest was pathetic. but now it is obvious they are the same. but i don't think st jimmy is born until the st. jimmy song

[Sock-Man]

Hopefully they'll take a different route when they do the movie. Yeah I agree Jimmy isn't born until that song, but it was cool to throw the reference in.

[getlost]

Yes, Finnaly I found a thread were I am looking forward to talking and getting along with everybody. What do you guys think the st.jimmy means and how does it relate to jesus of suburbia? Please explain.

[getlost]

Does anyone know where I can see the actual St.Jimmy or Jesus of Suburbia music video?

[Sock-Man]

Yes, Finally I found a thread were I am looking forward to talking and getting along with everybody. What do you guys think the st.jimmy means and how does it relate to jesus of suburbia? Please explain.

Does anyone know where I can see the actual St.Jimmy or Jesus of Suburbia music video?

I don't know if the vid's online yet. It's Jesus of Suburbia btw, there is no St Jimmy video.. just at one point the guy who's supposed to be the jesus writes St. Jimmy on a wall and puts his handprint in blood next to it.

Which in my mind means Jesus of Suburbia is some annoying little punk who goes down the wrong path and eventually takes on the alter-ego of St. Jimmy. Or something like that.

[DAN!]

Hopefully they'll take a different route when they do the movie. Yeah I agree Jimmy isn't born until that song, but it was cool to throw the reference in.

i haven't heard any final plans for the movie, but i know green day is promoting that one gets done. i hope they do a movie, and the movie is better than the videos. they better not use this director. i want it to be good enough that it is at least close to like the wall and tommy. i love those kind of movies. it is a great style art wise. i wish bands did it more often.

[Sock-Man]

i haven't heard any final plans for the movie, but i know green day is promoting that one gets done. i hope they do a movie, and the movie is better than the videos. they better not use this director. i want it to be good enough that it is at least close to like the wall and tommy. i love those kind of movies. it is a great style art wise. i wish bands did it more often.

Yeah I dunno what the status is with it at the moment. My sister (green-day obsessive girl) is adamant that it's going ahead and she told me a bunch of people who were going to be in it. Only one I can remember is Jamie Bell. But who knows.

And yeah I pray Sam Bayer or whatever his name is doesn't direct. I know JOS was his last ever music video but I guess that doesn't stop him from moving into film god forbid it.

[getlost]

I don't know if the vid's online yet. It's Jesus of Suburbia btw, there is no St Jimmy video.. just at one point the guy who's supposed to be the jesus writes St. Jimmy on a wall and puts his handprint in blood next to it.

Which in my mind means Jesus of Suburbia is some annoying little punk who goes down the wrong path and eventually takes on the alter-ego of St. Jimmy. Or something like that.

So who exactly is the Jesus of Suburbia suppose to be? PLease explain. Also can you explain more on why he wants to become St.Jimmy? Does someone understand fully?

[DAN!]

it is not too difficult to understand. a lot of it is said out front. Jesus of suburbia is the main character. he is completley describeb in the song. he mentions he comes from a borken home, people don't understand him, and he is forced to leave. and when you get forced to leave somewhere because of who you are, you naturally want to be someone else. There is a long storyline going through each song. the basic idea is obvious, the small little details are what no one is sure of. a lot of it is meant for your own interpretation. Green Day even claims that they wrote is specifly in a way so that St. Jimmy can be seen as Jesus of suburbia, or a stand a lone character. the whole thing is interpretatopn. all rock operas are like that. Jesus christ super star, the wall, tommy, they are all interpertation. if you listen to the whole cd, it tells a story. but expaining it from begining to end is like explaining an entire movie. just read the lyrics. they tell the story. In "jesus of suburbia" he comes out and says "i am the son of rage and love" that is how you know who he is right there. He is a son, torn between love and rage. just look at the lyrics, and they tell you.

[getlost]

Ok, Thanks. Now where does St.Jimmy come in the picture.

[DAN!]

in the song "st. jimmy." that is where st. jimmy is first mentioned. just look at the lyrics. there are three characters in all, let's see if you can guess who the third is ;)

[getlost]

Is St.Jimmy good or bad. Cause I read the lyrics and it seemed like he was still messed up to me. PLease explain more. Also why is the jesus of suburbia called them exactly? I had no clue that there was a third character. Who is it?

[DAN!]

if you don't know who the third character is, then you have not heard the whole cd :rolleyes:

[getlost]

No, lol I have heard the whole cd. Is it the guy that gets dumped on whatsername?

[getlost]

Also, Is St.Jimmy suppose to be good? Why did he turn into him?

[DAN!]

just read the lyrics. do you think st jimmy is good or bad by what he says in the st jimmy song? the questions you are asking are too obvious for me to take seriously. sorry. if you couldn't tell who the three characters were, then you didn't hear the whole cd imo. there is only three names mentioned in all the songs. it is not even like that part is hard to understand, it is a fact. three....characters mentioned. I seriously don't think you heard the whole cd. no more, no less. tommy and the wall are harder to understand than this one. this one is pretty easy to get the main idea. jst look harder. if you listen to st jimmy and know nothing about him, then i don't know what to tell ya. if you want to know if he is good or bad, he tells you. that question has no hidden meaning. it comes right out and tells you. he says in the song "i am a teenage assasin" and "king of the 40 thieves".....im don't mean to be mean here but that is what the lyrics say......and if you don't know whether that means good or bad than maybe you need more than just a little help. In our society, assasians and thieves are bad. make sense? all your questions are pretty obvious. i don't know why you need me to tell you assasins and thieves are bad....unless you live in some third country where things like that are what the local heros do or something. but i doubt being a thief is good in any culture

[getlost]

Okay, I get the point. But tell atleast what song mentions the third character. Also I do get that St.Jimmy was bad. But if he was bad and The jesus of suburbia was bad. Then why change. Since they are basiclly the same ole person?

[getlost]

Are you speaking of the Idiot america as the third character. Some songs I didnt listen to because of the profanity.

[getlost]

Dan What songs should I listen to and in what order? Then I will ask for your advice.

[DAN!]

1)american idiot
2)Jesus of suburbia
3)Holiday
4)Boulvard of broken dreams
5)Are we the waiting
6) St. Jimmy
7) Give Me Novacaine
8) She's a rebel
9)Extrordinary girl
10) Letterbomb
11)wake me up when september ends
12) HOmecomeing
13) Whatshername




wake me up when september ends is prolly the least important and you don't need that one. the rest are all needed to undertstand completley. and that is the order they go in.

[getlost]

Thanks man. See you in a while.

[getlost]

Is the third character idiot america?

[halo7]

Is the third character idiot america?

ahahahahahahahahaha


woo

[getlost]

Okay I got it and what An incredible story this is. I almosted cryed. He met this girl named Whatername in "shes a rebel" but she broke his heart and was teasing him " nobody likes and everybodys having fun without you". wow thanks dan.

[cg124]

Are you speaking of the Idiot america as the third character. Some songs I didnt listen to because of the profanity.


:lol:

[getlost]

lol you guys really get a kick outta this. Oh yeah I think I might make another thread.
Something cool

[getlost]

:lol:
What exactly are you laughing at?

[cg124]

I'm laughing because your never going to understand the story if you don't listen to all of the songs

[getlost]

Well, I did after all. I was so interested in the story I just did. Do you understand it yourself?

[cg124]

yes, I got the basic idea

[Tara]

joining the convo here, but i love the story of american idiot. it took me a few months to get it, but it is a pretty awesome concept, and an awesome story

[DAN!]

yeah, the basic idea is really simple. the lyrics are more obvious than abstract. the difficult the thing that is harder to understand is the political theme. i think it is harder to understand though because it wasn't done that well.

[Tara]

i agree. when it first came out, all i knew was that it had political songs and that it told a story, so i spent forever trying to work out the ongoing political message. then it dawned on me that it is not all political, only a few songs were. its like theatre, it can be political without being labelled "political theatre". thats what i love about green day, the mixed influences.

[getlost]

So do you guys think St.jimmy was a person JOS met on the streets or A split personality of JOS?

[cg124]

So do you guys think St.jimmy was a person JOS met on the streets or A split personality of JOS?

.....







What have we been trying to say to you in the last few posts? Are you even paying attention at all?

[DAN!]

yeah, we already answered most of his questions. i only answer when he asks a new question. the last one was the order of songs. oh, btw kid (grtlost) i want to know what you think, because it seems you don't know any of the story, characters, themes, or evenanything to do wiht it. eh, whatever

[ComedyMan90]

It aint that hard to figure out.....

[DAN!]

yeah, it's all stated pretty clear. Green Day is not the most educated band in the world. They didn't write something that was "genius" and something that would go over the heads of many ppl

[getlost]

Okay what do you want me to state. By the way green day lyrics are imo genius. They write stuff for you to forget out yourself which takes more then one time of listening to get it. But I get the whole thing. I can explain everysong to you if you want. Take your pick I will explain the whole thing also. Some people just said that JOs And St.Jimmy are the same thing.

[halo7]

Okay what do you want me to state. By the way green day lyrics are imo genius. They write stuff for you to forget out yourself which takes more then one time of listening to get it. But I get the whole thing. I can explain everysong to you if you want. Take your pick I will explain the whole thing also. Some people just said that JOs And St.Jimmy are the same thing.


Well you seem to not notice the lyrics well enough to figure out what they are about. So how do you know its genius?

[getlost]

Im not just basing it off the american idiot album.

[DAN!]

ok, explain letterbomb for me :P. it is prolly one of the "harder" songs to the story, but it is pretty important. i will even give you a hint. the words are actually being read by JOS from a letter from some one else (whatshername). now let's ss your expplainnation of this song.



btw, lyric wise i think this is the best song on the CD. music wise i like st. jimmy, and overall i like JOS. i say to say something other than what we have been saying the past 20 posts :P

[getlost]

Ok then, Well, After getting close with whatsername there is an eventuall breakup. In the begginning it saids that "nobody likes you..everyone is having fun without you". That is whatsername taunting JOS and writing a goodbye letter. She saids the JOS doesnt care enough and that he turned into what she has always hated. "You're not the Jesus of Suburbia. The St. Jimmy is a figment of, your father's rage and your mother's love, that's made the idiot america". She said that she is leaving you tonight.

[getlost]

By the way I wrote that before you edited your post.

[DAN!]

But I get the whole thing. I can explain everysong to you if you want. .

even the love story? tell me about the love story. i love love stories :)

Some people just said that JOs And St.Jimmy are the same thing.
Some people say that and some people don't. like i said in a previous post, Green Day SAID THEY wrote it so it COULD BE EITHER ONE. The listener is the one who decides. you don't need me to decide your opinion for you, do you?

Im not just basing it off the american idiot album.
please don't tell me you are basing it off of Dookie and Warning then :P


Take your pick I will explain the whole thing also. .
k, explain letterbomb for me :P. it is prolly one of the "harder" songs to the story, but it is pretty important. i will even give you a hint. the words are actually being read by JOS from a letter from some one else (whatshername). now let's ss your expplainnation of this song.



btw, lyric wise i think this is the best song on the CD. music wise i like st. jimmy, and overall i like JOS. i say to say something other than what we have been saying the past 20 posts :P

[getlost]

how many times did you post?

[DAN!]

so then what are you confused about?


btw, sorry about the 2 posts, i meant to edit the last one.

[getlost]

Im not confused ANYMORE lol. I was but I get it now. But I would like to talk about it. If your not annoyed enough.

[Tara]

boys boys boys, lets not fight, lets share the love. the green day love.

everybody sing with me ..."i love you's not enough, i am lost for words..."

no singing, ok then, but lets stop arguing.

and i agree, there are two different ways that the character of St. Jimmy can be read. i like thinking of it both ways, but i think i am partial to the idea that st. Jimmy and JOS are the same.

just my opinion, please do not use as me proving wither of your points :)

[getlost]

Doesnt seem cooler is JOS met St.jimmy.

[Mr. Blonde1]

Jesus if Suburbia is the best piece of work Green Day has ever recorded. Shame it got such a crap video.

[getlost]

You really think the video sucked? What do you think they should have done?

[cg124]

hmm tossing out the idea of some "punk kid" would be one. At least have some fuctional story behind it. Also maybe having the band play in the video would also be cool

[PapaRoachRules]

I'm looking for the video right now. I'll check back after I've seen it.

[getlost]

hmm tossing out the idea of some "punk kid" would be one. At least have some fuctional story behind it. Also maybe having the band play in the video would also be cool

Dude, did you see the tv? The band was playing. Anyway the video did what i wanted to. IT portraid the jesus of suburbia according to the lyrics. Papa tell us the site when you get the video.

[DAN!]

it was on myspace.com before, don't know if it's still there. the video was horrible though. they repeated the same thing over andover, and there are four parts to the song. it shouldhave been visualy obvious that the song had four parts. and i still can't get over the kid they had play jos. he looked horrible! at least let him have some muscles. And i pictured JOS to be between 22-25. not some kid, but i can understand why they would make him be a kid here (Green Day's main audience right now). all the videos were nothing good here. i could have came up with better ideas. but they would never hire me :(

[cg124]

Dude, did you see the tv? The band was playing. Anyway the video did what i wanted to. IT portraid the jesus of suburbia according to the lyrics. Papa tell us the site when you get the video.


yeah I saw them playing, but I don't want to see them off of some TV from the video. It looked like it was from one of their concerts or something

[getlost]

it was on myspace.com before, don't know if it's still there. the video was horrible though. they repeated the same thing over andover, and there are four parts to the song. it shouldhave been visualy obvious that the song had four parts. and i still can't get over the kid they had play jos. he looked horrible! at least let him have some muscles. And i pictured JOS to be between 22-25. not some kid, but i can understand why they would make him be a kid here (Green Day's main audience right now). all the videos were nothing good here. i could have came up with better ideas. but they would never hire me :(


Okay I agree on the repeated video over and over thing.

[DAN!]

yeah I saw them playing, but I don't want to see them off of some TV from the video. It looked like it was from one of their concerts or something


yeah, it was definatly from one of their concerts. it was pretty breif too when they showed that. and to be honest having the whole video being of them playing love somewhere would have been better than the crap they made here.

[Tara]

i still haven't seen it. does anyone know where it would be ?

[PapaRoachRules]

Dude, did you see the tv? The band was playing. Anyway the video did what i wanted to. IT portraid the jesus of suburbia according to the lyrics. Papa tell us the site when you get the video.


Limewire... you have to download it

[getlost]

Limewire... you have to download it

Cool I have limewire. One of the best things to music. anyway you can get it from there?

[Sock-Man]

I'm kinda glad they didn't have loads of the band playing. I get bored of that in music videos, if I wana see em playing I'll check out a live video. But still. So much could have been done with the video. Why not make it epic like the song is. It's just dire.

[DAN!]

yeah, but i like a little bit of it. and i love live footage, but not in a video. i want the dvd coming out that is supposed to have a lot of live footage on it. If i find out the dvd is onlt the videos with a little bit of live footage, i won't bye it.

[PapaRoachRules]

Cool I have limewire. One of the best things to music. anyway you can get it from there?

yes.. just search for it

[DAN!]

and when you search, type "jesus of suburbia"

[getlost]

Do yoll think the girl in video was whatsername?

[DAN!]

no, i don't think so.

[getlost]

y not? There wasnt any other girl mentioned.

[DAN!]

but she wasn't mentioned when jesus lived in the suburbs.

[getlost]

True. Isnt it kinda funny that the suburbs are like were rich people stay and Green day portaid it diffrently. Hence he was The jesus of suburbia people followed him. Thats great what green day did.

[DAN!]

i don't know bout that. i think that part was supposed to be more political. he moved from the suburbs to the city, which shows going from rich (or well off) to poor. like it was showing the economy slowing down. In Holiday the government is blamed for all the problems and that is what actually forces jos to move out of the city, i think.

[getlost]

I thought in Holiday he is already moved out. Also did you see the green day interview on mtv overdrive.

[DAN!]

i dunno. in jos it seemed he was throwing a tantrum with family problems. i thought it wsa just a tantrum and threats rather than leaving. i thought he was actually making the changes in his life in boulevard of broken dreams, and that was him going to the city, which is where he meets st jimmy, i think. In boulevard it actually seemed like he was going from one place to another. i could be wrong tho.

[getlost]

NO I am trying to say this in the nicest way but thats wrong. Let me explain at the end of the jesus suburbia it mentions him leaving so he left the suburbs. In holiday he is out of the suburbs and now he is trying to convince himself that he is happy and by blvd of broken dreams he is bored sad with no place to go. Then a little friend named St.jimmy comes along. Are you following? Maybe I should give you the site I got my info from.

[DAN!]

whoa, you are getting this from a site? Well that is just another person's idea, it is not fact. It is some nobody like me making interpretations.



and if jos has no place to go, then whereis he going? he is going somewhere.

in the jos, the whole thing is family problems, and he says he leaves home and whatever, which i don't think he does. he seems more like a tantrum. like he runs away from home (house) but not the suburbs. then when he sees the real world is no different, he then blames the government.

The main theme behind American Idiot is that JOS does't want to be one, becuase everyone who he blames his problems on is an american idiot. He first blames his family, then he blames the government.

Holiday is not about convincing "happy", it is political. the whole thing revolves JOS blaming the government and rebelling against them. It is also against society in general i think. i don't see anywhere in that song that has him trying to be happy.


and if you look at the song " are we the waiting", it looks as if he is almost to the city. he says he is "city bound" and all that stuff. it is also the song where is starts to turn into St. Jimmy i think. then he finally reaches the new city, and his new personality in St. Jimmy.

[getlost]

whoa, you are getting this from a site? Well that is just another person's idea, it is not fact. It is some nobody like me making interpretations.



and if jos has no place to go, then whereis he going? he is going somewhere.

in the jos, the whole thing is family problems, and he says he leaves home and whatever, which i don't think he does. he seems more like a tantrum. like he runs away from home (house) but not the suburbs. then when he sees the real world is no different, he then blames the government.

The main theme behind American Idiot is that JOS does't want to be one, becuase everyone who he blames his problems on is an american idiot. He first blames his family, then he blames the government.

Holiday is not about convincing "happy", it is political. the whole thing revolves JOS blaming the government and rebelling against them. It is also against society in general i think. i don't see anywhere in that song that has him trying to be happy.


and if you look at the song " are we the waiting", it looks as if he is almost to the city. he says he is "city bound" and all that stuff. it is also the song where is starts to turn into St. Jimmy i think. then he finally reaches the new city, and his new personality in St. Jimmy.

lol, I thought you might think it but the site is green day authorized they have direct quotes from green day.

[getlost]

In are we the waiting we see that jos is losing his sanity and he is even questioning who he is and where to go. Thats where the contreversy sets in as to him meeting St.jimmy.

[DAN!]

lol, I thought you might think it but the site is green day authorized they have direct quotes from green day.

what site is this?

In are we the waiting we see that jos is losing his sanity and he is even questioning who he is and where to go. Thats where the contreversy sets in as to him meeting St.jimmy.

that is kinda what i said, but yea.

there is more to that song, but it is not relevent to my point.

[getlost]

I am glad we have a agreement on that one. The site might be down right now but it is greendayauthority.com click on song meanings

[PapaRoachRules]

American Idiot was written to tell a story (a "punk rock opera"). The title of the album in itself, and it's art, explains of what's to come. There's much confusion to actually what this album and all of its songs mean, and it's questioned to what it could mean. I'm following, basically, with my own outlook, and from information from the band.

DEFINITIONS IN THE STORY:

J./JOS/the Idiot of America: The Jesus of Suburbia
Tunny: Random person met on the street who Jimmy befriends
The Underbelly: JOS/Jimmy's group of friends
Mom and Brad: JOS' parents. The way that JOS refers to his father as Brad, could mean that is father is gone and Brad is a stepfather, which would explain why he's calling him by name.

AMERICAN IDIOT

The title track of the album. Basically, there's a confused, disoriented, angsty kid wrapped around a world of misconception and he has nowhere to go and feels hopeless and miserable. So this kid, the Jesus of Suburbia, is just crying out an anthem for the world to hear, screaming miserably "Don't wanna be an American Idiot..." He sees that he's stuck in this 'redneck agenda' and there's not a damn thing he can do to change it.
JESUS OF SUBURBIA (CITY OF THE DAMNED, I DON'T CARE, DEARLY BELOVED, TALES OF ANOTHER BROKEN HOME)

Everyone on the album has their own track. Jesus of Suburbia basically introduces us to the Jesus of Suburbia, how he was brought up in rage, and love, his atmosphere, friends, and basic general information. Part I, JOS, is just an introduction. "I'm the son of rage and love, the Jesus of Suburbia..."...Part II, City of The Damned, is just a crying out for help, hating his town, his city, and his overall miserable life that he lives. Part III, I Don't Care, is properly named and is about just that. JOS' apathetic screams of pain and how he just doesn't ****ing care about anything anymore. Part IV, Dearly Beloved, is JOS asking if what he's feeling is natural, how he can get out, and if anyone can understand...Tales Of Another Broken Home, Part V, is basically the end of the anthem. JOS is fed up, ****ed up, and just decides to quit town and quit the life that he's living. "I don't feel any shame, I won't apologize. When there ain't NOWHERE you can go. RUNNING AWAY from pain, when you feel victimized, tales from another broken home"...and he just leaves.
HOLIDAY

So JOS has just left town and he's living his life on the streets (Hear the sound of the falling rain...). He's speaking outloud and acting in vein :P, but it seems like he's talking himself into the fact that running away was the right thing to do. Explaining his reasons of discontent to himself. He still feels alone, and shunned from society, but it seems he feels a little more self-confidence, and happiness out on the road. It is also remotely political with the whole "Zeig heil..." thing, but it's basically just JOS yelling out and expressing his own dead beliefs onto the world. Like screaming into mid air. Also, to go 'on holiday' is said to be like, a vacation. So this is basically like an escape, a runaway. This leads us into Boulevard of Broken Dreams.
BOULEVARD OF BROKEN DREAMS

JOS is out alone, on the cold streets, nothing to do, nowhere to go. The happiness has worn off and he walks alone. Everyone's asleep, no one can hear him, no one cares, and he just walks...
ARE WE THE WAITING?
Still, alone, living it rough. JOS plays tricks in his mind, and you can see his slowly losing his sanity. He even starts to not believe who he is anymore. He's not the king of his local 711 out on the streets, where no one knows who he is...he's not the Jesus of Suburbia anymore. He's just...there.

Now is where the controversy starts. The album picks up into an angry, purely amazing, anthem about the ever-so-lovely St. Jimmy. Now, people have said, and this sounds pretty true, that the JOS is just pushed over the edge, turned into this new **** you punk**** named St. Jimmy. Basically, pushed off of the deep end into schizophrenia. Green Day, actually has stated, that JOS meets this kid, St. Jimmy, on the street somewhere, but that's questionable. I'll leave the interpretation up to you.

ST. JIMMY

Fast, upbeat, so effing hardcore. St. Jimmy...the patron saint of the denial. Tough, rough, not afraid to kill. The run of the mill punkkid times 70. The hardest, baddest mother ****er around. He's lived his life on the streets, knows all, sees all. Lies, and pretty cocky to boot. He can actually be seen as a foil to JOS, who's totally innocent and callow going into this thing.
GIVE ME NOVACAINE

JOS meets Jimmy and becomes close with him. They do drugs together, hang around together and JOS depends on Jimmy to keep him sane, without knowing anyone else. Give Me Novacaine is basically his experimentation with drugs, and how Jimmy introduces him to drugs to ease the pain of everyday life.
SHE'S A REBEL

While on the streets, Jimmy and JOS meet a rebel girl named Whatsername. As described in She's A Rebel, she's holding on JOS' heart like a hand grenade. For JOS, it's love at first sight. It's a basic introduction to the girl, and a new twist in JOS' heart strings. New feelings, new mindset, new atmosphere.
EXTRAORDINARY GIRL

Again, about Whatsername. JOS' feelings for her, what he thinks of her, etc...
LETTERBOMB

After getting close with Whatsername, there is an eventual breakup. The beginning "Nobody likes you, everyone left you..."...is Whatsername taunting JOS, and writing him a goodbye letter. She explains that JOS doesn't care enough, and that he isn't who he thinks he is. "You're not the Jesus of Suburbia. The St. Jimmy is a figment of, your father's rage and your mother's love, that's made the idiot america"...she's explaining that JOS has turned into what he's always hated and she leaves him. "Well she said I can't take this place, I'm leaving you behind. She said I can't take this town I'm leaving you tonight..."
WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS

JOS is alone again. Lost his friends, the only girl he ever loved, he's out of home, out of job, and back where he started, sad and alone on the streets. He describes himself as innocent, or at least he was, and he just didn't last. They broke him down, and he's just dead inside. This is also, on a more personal note, a side song about Billie Joe's late father, who died years ago (September 1982), when Billie Joe was 10. Both explanations apply.
HOMECOMING (THE DEATH OF ST. JIMMY, EAST 12TH ST., NOBODY LIKES YOU, ROCK 'N' ROLL GIRLFRIEND)

JOS has nothing left to do. He's been on the streets. He stands alone again. So where else to go? Home. Part I, the Death of St. Jimmy. He's leaving the streets, he's going back, he's leaving Jimmy behind. He realizes that turning away wasn't the answer, and he's gained nothing from it except knowledge that life is no better in a different atmosphere. He hoped for too much, and got nothing in return. St. Jimmy kills himself, in a sense, in JOS' mind he's gone. Still, there's no one who cares, and nobody cares. Part II, East 12th St, tells us that JOS met and accepted conformity, got a job, and is just in his own world as people move around him. He'd rather be out and around with 'the underbelly', his friends. He feels trapped. Alone, and again, must get away. "This lifelike dream ain't for me"...Part III, Nobody Likes You. He's still depressed about losing Whatsername, as he waits for her to return, but no luck. All of his dreams at this point are shot to hell, as her voice still pounds in his head "NOBODY LIKES YOU, EVERYONE LEFT YOU..." Part IV, Rock 'N Roll Girlfriend, in the inlay, is shown as a postcard from "Tunny"...who seems to be another person JOS met while on the streets. Tunny explains that he's living it up where he is, and the rebel life he leads, while JOS is rotting with his dead end job, in his dead end life. Part V, We're Coming Home Again, is JOS accepting things. He's coming to the realization of everything and everyone, and is just accepting it. He comes home. It's left on a confusing note. He's not sure if he's happy or sad, he's just home, living, and he just...is.
WHATSERNAME

After being home, and just living in normality, he still regrets losing Whatsername. It's been so long, he can't even remember her name. He wonders what happened to her, and can only remember. All he has is his memories of her. The album ends with him still trying to forget "If my memory serves me right, I'll never turn back time, forgetting you, but not the time."...He doesn't regret living his life on the streets, using it as a learning experience, but still tries to forget Whatsername, and the pain that she put him through, and vice versa.


Oh and another thing

"A special thank you goes out to the people that helped me with song meanings by sending them to me, including Laura and dex. Also, a big thanks to Green Day > UK which helped me when I got stuck. Click on the album name to get to the meanings faster. Please keep in mind that this is just for fun. We can never be 100% sure that's what Billie/Mike/Tre meant when they wrote the songs. "

http://greendayauthority.com/TheBand/songmeanings.php

[getlost]

Thanks papa thats where I got my info from. It is very good.

[DAN!]

it is ok, but it is some one else's opinion still. it is not fact. it is just a fan site, not an official green da site. they even say "no one will know 100% what the songs mean."


there is a lot i don't agree with. first off, i don't know why they would think "Extroridinary girl" is a repeatition of "she's a rebel." They are two different songs with two completely different concepts. One introduces Whatshername, and the other one talks about the relationship between whatshername and JOS. It talks about how there are problems and only Whatsername admits they are there. they are two different songs. And then when they mentioned "Tunny" made me laugh :P. That character is NEVER mentioned in ANY SONG. It is only implied that is his name if you look at the LE cd that came with a book. It shows the lyrics on a post card written from Tunny. But it is not listed in the songs. And i don't think it was someone he "met on the streets" but some one he from his home town.

[getlost]

Okay I think Your right on that can you explain the lyrics referring to "he" in exordinary girl.

[cg124]

oh my god are you guys still discussing the story of "American Idiot" to getlost. It's really not that complicated at all. There are more complicated concept albums that are more worthy of a long discussion. Sorry I had to get that out

[DAN!]

if you are thinking the one by NIN, i really didnt't like that one :P. but the wall and Tommy are amazing. Mainly the wall.


and if anyone likes (but i don't many ppl who do) Operation: Mindcrime by
Queensryche is VERY deep and complex. but we would have to make a new thread for that one. I still don't even understand a lot of it. If i did, i might like it the best. that one is truly underated though. there are a few others that are good too, but these are my favorite


oh yeah, i know a lot of people like the alice cooper one, and even though i thought it was "good" i can't say it is one of my favorites. it was a little too freaky for me i think.... which is weird because it takes a lot to do that.

***************EDIT***************

Okay I think Your right on that can you explain the lyrics referring to "he" in exordinary girl.

"he" is JOS...

[getlost]

I know that but what does it say again? Also do you know any other albums that is opera like american idiot?

[JBond]

Green Day does opera? I wouldn't have guessed.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Green Day does opera? I wouldn't have guessed.
Green Day? I never heard of them. Did they put an album out in the past month?

[getlost]

Yes, And I said Opera like as far as having a theme.

[DAN!]

I know that but what does it say again?


you want me to type the lyrics?



Also do you know any other albums that is opera like american idiot?

if you mean "concept albums" i think i mentioned some in my last post.

Green Day? I never heard of them. Did they put an album out in the past month?

Yes, last week they released an Opera with them singing like fat women with viking hats :P. every 15 year old girl bought the album btw, i smell more VMAs

[getlost]

Yeah I want you to post the lyrics.

[DAN!]

Yeah I want you to post the lyrics.

http://greendayweb.yaia.com/lyricsamericanidiot.html


all the lyrics are posted there for all of american idiot