Question about Troy...

[Andrey83]

Ok, i just came to wonder about a thing here.

The greeks comes to Troy with this huge army. Agamemnon and Hector talks. Agamemnon talks about how "brave" it was for hector to draw his forces in front of the wall bla. bla bla.

But i'm just wondering, if the Greeks managed to take out the Trojans outside. What would they do???

I didnt see ONE single siege weapon..... (i'm abit unsure about the historical stuff too now. not sure what kind of siege weapons excisted at the time).

But what would they do? Use their swords and hack on the gate while arrows flying down on them untill all the Greeks are dead?

No offence to the greeks, but they do look like dumbasses there hehe. Assaulting a "castle" without anything but swords and spears. Good Luck!

[New_Breed]

good question andrey, to tell you the truth i hadn't thought of that until you mentioned it. im sure it is just an error on behalf of the director, but that is a good question.

[ip_guru]

Ok, i just came to wonder about a thing here.

The greeks comes to Troy with this huge army. Agamemnon and Hector talks. Agamemnon talks about how "brave" it was for hector to draw his forces in front of the wall bla. bla bla.

But i'm just wondering, if the Greeks managed to take out the Trojans outside. What would they do???

I didnt see ONE single siege weapon..... (i'm abit unsure about the historical stuff too now. not sure what kind of siege weapons excisted at the time).

But what would they do? Use their swords and hack on the gate while arrows flying down on them untill all the Greeks are dead?

No offence to the greeks, but they do look like dumbasses there hehe. Assaulting a "castle" without anything but swords and spears. Good Luck!

Well, that's the reason for the whole trojan horse thingy! :)

[Andrey83]

^^well, yes. I know they had that one later. But why on earth did they even go there in the first place to attack without siege weapons? I just seems so dumbass :)

"smash their walls to the ground"

And i'm thinking. "well......with swords?" hehe. It just seems so dumb :)

But as New Breed said, its probably just a movie mistake by the director. I never read the Illiad myself so i wouldnt know whats discribed there.

[ip_guru]

^^well, yes. I know they had that one later. But why on earth did they even go there in the first place to attack without siege weapons? I just seems so dumbass :)

"smash their walls to the ground"

And i'm thinking. "well......with swords?" hehe. It just seems so dumb :)

But as New Breed said, its probably just a movie mistake by the director. I never read the Illiad myself so i wouldnt know whats discribed there.

Well, alot of what we consider battle strategy/tactics were not used then. Just look at how the Brits and Americans fought in line during the Revolutionary war! Lines of people walking towards one another?

Your thinking is right, it is dumb of them. But, what we know today, they didn't know then. Most battle strategy of old is ignorant by today's standards (except for some brilliant Asian strategy). One Army Ranger team of today could defeat most entire armies of old (and I mean with arms of the day - not bringing a C-130 back to Troy!).

[Andrey83]

Well, alot of what we consider battle strategy/tactics were not used then. Just look at how the Brits and Americans fought in line during the Revolutionary war! Lines of people walking towards one another?

Your thinking is right, it is dumb of them. But, what we know today, they didn't know then. Most battle strategy of old is ignorant by today's standards (except for some brilliant Asian strategy). One Army Ranger team of today could defeat most entire armies of old (and I mean with arms of the day - not bringing a C-130 back to Troy!).

Well, i'm not sure when this battle is suppose to be historical wice. Maybe 1000 B.C?

And catapults was introduced on the battlefield in greece in 400 BC. So that couldnt be there. But i'm thinking about ladders and battering rams. Surely it doesnt take a genious to figure out that it would be wice to use that? :)

But maybe you are right. It seems so obvious for us in our age. But at that time everything was so different.

[ip_guru]

Well, i'm not sure when this battle is suppose to be historical wice. Maybe 1000 B.C?

And catapults was introduced on the battlefield in greece in 400 BC. So that couldnt be there. But i'm thinking about ladders and battering rams. Surely it doesnt take a genious to figure out that it would be wice to use that? :)

But maybe you are right. It seems so obvious for us in our age. But at that time everything was so different.

Yep, it seems obvious. It's just hard to 'go back' mentally. I mean, play Age of Empires, or Age of Mythology, or something like that, for about a week and I think we would have better strategy and skill than those guys did then!

I'm not sure what they had then, but I think you're right. A battering ram isn't that evolved of thinking, is it? I don't know history of weapons that far back, so I'd have to look it up.

I do know that many armies of old did attack walls with swords and picks, slowly picking the wall apart over a few days of attack. Stupid? Yep, but they did it...

[New_Breed]

i found these web-sites, maybe they can help you Andrey:

http://198.144.2.125/Siege/Blueprints.htm
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/mil/html/ml_048400_siegeweapons.htm
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/war/CatapultTypes.htm

[diasyjazz]

what i don't get, is if they had catapults, etc in middle earth, why can't they have them in greece.....j/k

[Andrey83]

i found these web-sites, maybe they can help you Andrey:

http://198.144.2.125/Siege/Blueprints.htm
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/mil/html/ml_048400_siegeweapons.htm
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/war/CatapultTypes.htm

Well, yes. It does say that the oldest siege weapon is the battering ram. And that most siege weapons (like catapults) etc wasnt introduced before 400.BC (which is much later then this tale is set).

I just find it strange that they didnt have a battering ram :)

But funny what ip guru said about armies of old used to "break" down gates and walls with basicly swords and pikes :)

Dumbasses lol ;)