Alien vs. Predator Review

[thapunisher67]

Well where to begin with the atrocity that is AVP. I actually saw it twice today just to make sure mine eyes werent decieving me. If you are a true fan of one or both franchises bring a box of kleenex with you for this film is truley the Death Knell for both Franchises. I can damn near guarantee there not to be an Alien 5 or Predator 3. The movie is short, very short. The editing seems rushed and is very poorley done. Many secens from the Trailers are either not in the movie or are set up differently. This film is PG-13 all the way, from the off screen deaths to the complete lack of human blood, there may be a couple of ounces of the red stuff in the entire film, mostley from faintly splashed blades and blood being spatterd against a snowy drift. The Aliens on the other hand were quite beutifuly done, whether puppet, suit, or CGI. IMO the Queen which is mostley CGI in the final moments of the film is nicely done and reminds me quite alot of the T-Rex from Jurassic Park. But the Predators on the other hand are a different story, while in their suits of armor and hidden behind their masks their look completely Badass. But when unveiled they are apparent that Stan "the man" Winston had no hand in their development. They remind me of the Creeper From Jeepers Creepers. Their heads seems too big for their bodies or something of the sort, they just dont seems porpotioned to me. Almost like a bulldog or something of the like. The camera work is another factor. It seems as if the camera is too close to the action most of the time, almost forced in between both alien and predator while dueling. All in all this has been a sad day for me, dont get me wrong I like the movie, im just very dissapointed in it. Perhaps there may be a DVD version of the film that could make amends, heres to hoping!

out of * * * * *
AVP gets * * 1/2 (just cause aliens and predators will always kick ass)

[SpiderHam]

So you like it, but you give it a failing grade?

At least make that 2.5.

[FilmJerk]

how long it is?

[Se7en the movie]

u complain for the whole of the review about how u didnt like it then say......u did like but give it 2 stars.....hmmmmm

[thapunisher67]

For me to hate this film the Predators would have to skip around in pink outfits having slap fights with the aliens, this movie is dissapointing to fans but honestly for the few good scenes in the film, to me would be worth the price of addmission. I.E. the ending showdown was fricken sweet. the pred was ugly no doubt but still sweet. and the preds gearing up in their ship was nice.

[elpresidente]

The scenes were like I said ? As in Predator 2 were busey bite's the big one ala decapitation but we only see the body drop behind a side of beef?

What the **** were these cluster****ing morons thinking....were they thinking?

What about the characters, were they sympathetic...was there much character development or did they just do those 3-5 minute 'a day in the life of' vignettes followed by nothing?

And how was the acting?

And how the hell do you screw up visuals when that is most of what you have going for your movie?

See this is were a well known leading actor comes in handy......with a well known actor you have the power to say NO, but you also have the power to say YES....BUT......
A cast of known and respected actors could have pushed for a rewrite of the script or for a superior production and with their names would come more money to enhance production values........what the hell is a no name going to do, say I want you to change the script or I walk? I could see a director dying of laughter at that......no name, no power..just a pawn, now these actors are not likely to be given anything more exciting than a wet turd of a movie the next time they are looking for a part. Horrible to hear this !

I was hoping they could make it like the book......boys and girls if you want to see the movie, a decent AVP movie, it will have to be the one in your minds eye, while you read the book. The book is good....not great, cause of the lack of character development, but other wise it's good and a quick read.
For those of you dissapointed by the theatrical version I recommend you check out the book out of the library that way you don't line the pockets of the diplo dunks who thought no name actors, pg13 script and poor production values were a good idea.....don't reward this scum !!!

[thapunisher67]

No charecter development at all. theres a little about lex and some of the two archeologist and the one scottsman, the other 20 some odd people just show up on the ice cutter on the way to Antartica. They are in the artic within 15 min of the movie starting

[Malitos_Sahkir]

Is there the Pred' and Human romance thing that was in the book?

[SpiderHam]

Is there the Pred' and Human romance thing that was in the book?

Have you read the book?

[Malitos_Sahkir]

No, but someone said it was in there.

[thapunisher67]

No but a fellowship does

[SpiderHam]

No, but someone said it was in there.

Don't believe everything you hear.

[WuTical]

how long it is?i read somewhere it says 1 hr 27 mins

[SpiderHam]

It's probably closer to 1 hr 45 mins. That's what most sites are saying now.

[Dilophosaurus89]

I can damn near guarantee there not to be an Alien 5 or Predator 3.

Well, since I never wanted sequels to either franchaise...Amen!

[Hitman]

That review wasn't too flattering but I gotta see the disappointment for myself. I'll be sure to attend a twilite show.

[MovieFreak322]

Who won?(put it in black highlights)

[Mr. Blonde1]

I saw it earlier today too. This movie is truely the biggest dissapointment of the summer. There is not one likeable character in the cast and Alexa is not a very good leading lady. It is apparent that a lot of editing has been done which leads me to believe that a Special-Extended/unrated dvd will come around some time. The PG-13 rating is very painfull and it shows, big time! The chest bursters are not nearly as gory as they should rightfully be. And the whole Egg-face hugger-chest burster-Alien sequence is completely ruined because in the original alien movies this sequence took days but in AVP is takes minutes.:( The Predators come across looking like wimps. Some of the Predator's signature weapons are missing. Ok, also 2 out of the 3 Predators are killed off very early in the film. and the ending sets up a sequal.

SPOILERS
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Alexa and the Main Predator become "Buddies". This made me gag.


Ok there is 1 positive thing about the film. It has some nice visuals. nice blend of costume and CGI.

Final Note- Paul Anderson was totally the wrong man to helm this project. I will never see another one of his films because frankly, he's a hack and he ruined the potentially coolest movie of the summer. Well at least for me.

Grade-D

[Mr. Blonde1]

By the way, An AVP making of special will be airing on Fox in a few moments. 8:00.

[Dracula]

Well, since I never wanted sequels to either franchaise...Amen!

the last thing the world needs is an Alien 5, but had it not been for this I would have liked to see a Predator 3

[Kable24]

Well, I'm going in with an open mind. Because I love the Predator movies and I enjoyed Alien: Resurrection and love Aliens. I'm using my free ticket, so I'm not losing any money on this if it totally blows donkey nuts

[Jeff_king]

HORRABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paul Anderson F'ed This movie up. IT was SOOOOOOOOO bad. I love Aliens and Predator, But this movie sucked bad. Queen Alien=TREX from Jurassic park. It was horrable. Thats all I have to say. Bad movie. I cant belive I waited 10 years. Paul YOU SUCK

[FaceOff]

well this clip doesn't look to bad.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/a...ight_large.html

[FaceOff]

the one review I'm waiting for is Droids. He seems to like everything. So if he gives a movie a bad review then I know it will be.

[cg124]

another reason to believe this is bad


No critic screenings

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_vs_predator/

[Se7en the movie]

but wait.......isnt droid at a press screening?

[Glordreen]

I am seeing the midnight showing of this. And I expect to be dissapointed, so I will go in with extremely low expectations, and I emphasize extremely.

Whoever made this movie PG-13 should go into hiding, for I will kill everyone involved in the rating process. You bastards!!!!!

[cg124]

but wait.......isnt droid at a press screening?

I'm not sure, but there isn't a lot of reviews at RT so I'm assuming that their wasn't any critic screening

[MovieBuff1299]

you gave it away you dumd ****ing idiot when you said there is not going to
be a alien 4 and predetor 3

:nono: :nono: :nono: :meanie: :angry:

[SnoBorderZero]

you gave it away you dumd ****ing idiot when you said there is not going to
be a alien 4 and predetor 3

:nono: :nono: :nono: :meanie: :angry:
Hate to tell you but Alien 4= Alien: Ressurection. And who knows? Hollywood is desperate, havent you seen Freddy or Jason films? They just keep comng back as long as they make money.

[Baadshah]

i don't like the fact that this movie is short and it has a pg-13 rating :(

[FaceOff]

Here's Coming Soon's Review.
7/10
Summary:
Despite bad buzz, Alien vs. Predator is a decent popcorn flick with some cool moments here and there. It's worth checking out.

Story:
When satellites for the Weyland company discover a strange pyramid buried 2000 ft below the Antarctic ice, company founder Charles Bishop Weyland assembles a team to investigate. He chooses Antarctic expert Alexa Woods to lead the expedition.

When the team arrives, they discover many strange stone carvings and hieroglyphics depicting sacrifice, hunting, and strange creatures. Little does the team realize that they have stumbled upon an ancient training ground for the Predators. The alien race of hunters placed the pyramid there thousands of years ago as a location for a hunting rite of passage. Inside, they hunt the Alien, one of the fiercest creatures in the galaxy and an integral part of their hunting culture.

As luck would have it, the humans have been lured to the pyramid just in time for the latest Predator hunt. The human team is needed to incubate the Alien young. The human team quickly realizes their dangerous predicament, but will any of them survive the battle between Alien and Predator?

Alien vs. Predator is rated PG-13 for violence, language, horror images, slime and gore. ('Slime' earns a PG-13 rating???)

What Worked:
Let me start off by saying that I'm a long time Aliens and Predator fan. I've watched all the films in both series many times over and I've followed the spin off books and comics. I even bought the first Aliens vs. Predator comics from Dark Horse as soon as they hit comic shelves so many years ago. So it was with eager anticipation that I awaited Alien vs. Predator. However, there were a couple of troubling signs as opening day approached. The first was that they didn't screen the film for press until the day before the film opened. This typically means the studio thinks the film sucks and that they don't want bad buzz getting out early. The official Fox excuse was that they were working on effects up until the last minute. I wasn't sure what to believe. The second bad sign was that AICN posted review after review absolutely slamming the movie without mercy. While I try not to read other people's reviews before I screen films, the bad AVP buzz from AICN was inescapable. Fortunately, the bad signs weren't that bad after all. There was nothing in the film that Fox should have been overly embarrassed about, so maybe the official line about effects was true. And I also think the people sending in negative reviews to AICN were either fakes (sent by a website with a grudge against AICN) or people just looking for an excuse to tear a movie apart regardless of whether it was bad or not.

I actually walked away from AVP thinking it was pretty decent. It wasn't as good as it could have been, but it wasn't the train wreck that many people were expecting either. It ended up being exactly what I thought it would be – a decent popcorn / monster flick. I thought it wasn't anywhere near the quality of the original films, but it was a bit better than Predator 2 and Alien 3. While I wish they had simply adapted the first Aliens vs. Predator comic (which took place on another planet far in the future), this adventure ended up working out OK. In fact, the movie became more and more like the comic right up until the end. Some of the key moments from the comic are included in this film. The marking of foreheads with the alien finger and blood is here. Some of the classic AVP shots are here. There are other similarities, but I won't go into them here.

This film also ties heavily into the film franchises that started everything. The Weyland company is the same one seen in the Aliens films. Charles Bishop Weyland is even the guy that the Bishop android from Aliens is modeled after. Lance Henriksen reprises the role, of course. (He even does a brief tip of the hat to the knife between the fingers trick from Aliens.) You see all stages of the Aliens from face huggers to chest bursters all the way up to the Queen. The Predators also have all of their trademarks. They string people up from rafters, use all sorts of nifty gadgets, and keep trophies from their victims. Though the movie doesn't entirely feel like either an Alien or Predator sequel, these trademarks help give some authenticity to the film.

The effects vary in quality, but they are generally good. I was particularly impressed with the CGI Aliens. They looked great. There are some great shots of the warrior Aliens as well as the Queen. You get to see her in full battle action and it was quite spectacular. Shots of her and thousands upon thousands of swarming Aliens really made me eager to see a purely Alien sequel. I'd really like to see what they could pull off with new technology. The Predators looked best when their masks were on. I didn't like their faces as much when they removed their masks, but this was a rare occurrence. Their ships were also portrayed in a cool stealth manner.

As for the human actors, they weren't terribly impressive. But then again, they are there simply to be killed by the monsters. Nothing more. Besides Lance Henriksen as Charles Bishop Weyland, Sanaa Lathan is the only other notable one as Alexa Woods. She and all of the others have all sorts of bad dialogue and cheesy moments, but that's OK. I didn't go to see Shakespeare. I went to see Aliens fight Predators and that's what I got.

Overall, I thought it was a decent action flick. If you're an Aliens or Predator fan, I think you'll find moments throughout the film that will impress you. It wasn't as spectacular as it could have been, but it wasn't a bomb either.

What Didn't Work:
Unfortunately, AVP has a lot working against it. Besides the previously mentioned bad buzz, I know many people take issue with the fact that it isn't R rated like its predecessors. It's PG-13. In many people's minds, this means it is not as good. They believe that the scares and gore have been toned down for the kiddies. Well, yes and no. The film didn't get the R rating because it wasn't people getting gutted, cut, and mangled. It was the imaginary monsters that were. Because there isn't so much violence against humans, it got the lighter rating (which makes business sense if you want as many people watching the film as possible.). That being said, though, the film isn't scary like its predecessors. Aliens was the last movie to actually give me nightmares while Predator was scary on a whole other level. Alien vs. Predator doesn't capture any of what made those films scary. In fact, I didn't flinch once during AVP. Maybe it was more because I was jaded to big screen frights, but I didn't find any suspense in it at all. It was mainly about the action.

I also wish the film was still based on the comic and set on another planet. While this film worked OK, I like the futuristic, frontier setting a lot better. I think it would have given the audience a better, stranger environment.

As for other problems with the film, I already mentioned the bad dialogue and poor Predator faces. To that I'll add that I didn't like the look of some of the action scenes. The camera would pull in extremely close to the action and the lighting would kind of strobe. The end result was a big blur during the fight scenes. I couldn't tell what the heck was going on. The camera pulled back a bit more as the movie progressed and I got a better sense of the battles, but early on it was frustrating.

The Bottom Line:
I think you'll find Alien vs. Predator worth checking out. Don't listen to anyone else's opinions – good or bad. Just go in expecting a popcorn flick and I think you'll enjoy it.

[Mat]

You know, I severely dislike a reviewer who tells me to not listen to anyone else's opinion.

[Halofan1]

Saw it tonight, I'll keep my review short.

7.5 or 8/10(Haven't decided which yet)

It's very decent, but it's full of problems. What works against it is that it echoes Anderson's Resident Evil(i.e. - A whole mess of characters are offed in one sequence). I also could have done without the "bullet-time facehuggers". Another thing working against this film are Anderson's attempts to be Michael Bay. Bay knows how to do the quick edits to make an action scene work. When Anderson leaves the camera alone for more than five seconds, his stuff is good. On the flip side, when he tries to immitate Bay, his stuff ends up being choppy and poorly put together.

Now, for all the bad the film does, it does have some good stuff going for it to outweigh the bad. It was very nice to see these creatures on-screen again. With the exception of a few scenes, I'm also glad the film was not CGI heavy. The story is not entirely empty, presenting us a few neat ideas. This film also doesn't lack character development as some characters are interesting to see but it's pretty obvious who's going to be offed.

Overall, the film is not high art and no one should go in thinking that's what they'll get. I'd place it above Alien3, Alien Ressurection, and Predator 2. However, it lags much behind Alien, Aliens, and Predator. I can't really say I recommend it, but if you choose to watch it don't expect Lawrence of Arabia.

[PsYkOoOoO]

I saw the clip of them fighting.Didnt excite me though.Looked like WWE.

[elpresidente]

This review theme smacks of what I recall doing myself and what I saw other people doing just after Star wars episode II came out, I gave it something like 7.5-8 out of 10 and hesitantly endorsed the movie as something that fans would enjoy...emphasis on fans because anyone not symbiotically conjoined at the brainstem in allegience understood, then much as all of us movie pimps of yesteryear understand, the movie was abject shlock, crappola, lowest level of hell, the dustbin of reject city, satan's rectum distortion field, regurgitated brain barf.........meaning the only way it was worth the money spent was if we had paid in pesos and not dollars for it.

It's tragic cause I know you all mean well, "it isn't THAT bad, no really" it stinks of...I want to convince myself it was worth it.

My prediction is in about 3 months this movie will be uniformly understood and recognized as the (gigli of sci-fi) or is that giggli, hmmmm.

When you have to preface with, 'it's not that bad", it is that bad, that's the official universal unquestionable rule and that's that, ha...
5/10 I could believe based upon what I have read in the book, and all of your review descriptions of it, 7.5---NO WAY. That's not credible.

[Oj]

This movie is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(I'd keep going, but my ring finger is getting tired) bad. I can't think of a single redeeming factor, save the visual effects. But flashy effects go to waste when absolutely butcher a movie in the cutting room. Imagine the things that were bad about the fights in The Bourne Supremacy. Y'know, those split second closeups and generally annoying shots that occasionally appeared? Well, stretch those annoying moments out into full-length fights, substitute Aliens and Predators, and you'll have a pretty good idea of what the fights are like.

The movie hardly introduces the characters to the audience, so you really don't give a damn as they are incessantly killed off. Honestly, I only remember one of their names. And I'm surprised to remember that. The dialogue is truly atrocious. Their attempt to liven it up with foreign talents (one guy is from Italy!) only makes the words sound dumber.

Wait, I thought of one good thing about it: it's so utterly pointless, the hour and forty or so minutes absolutely fly by. By the time it was over, this was all I could think: "Was that actually a movie?"

Zero *'s

[PsYkOoOoO]

Dont expect too much from that director.Haha.

[FaceOff]

This movie is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(I'd keep going, but my ring finger is getting tired) bad. I can't think of a single redeeming factor, save the visual effects. But flashy effects go to waste when absolutely butcher a movie in the cutting room. Imagine the things that were bad about the fights in The Bourne Supremacy. Y'know, those split second closeups and generally annoying shots that occasionally appeared? Well, stretch those annoying moments out into full-length fights, substitute Aliens and Predators, and you'll have a pretty good idea of what the fights are like.

The movie hardly introduces the characters to the audience, so you really don't give a damn as they are incessantly killed off. Honestly, I only remember one of their names. And I'm surprised to remember that. The dialogue is truly atrocious. Their attempt to liven it up with foreign talents (one guy is from Italy!) only makes the words sound dumber.

Wait, I thought of one good thing about it: it's so utterly pointless, the hour and forty or so minutes absolutely fly by. By the time it was over, this was all I could think: "Was that actually a movie?"

Zero *'s

Great! Just ****ing Great! Why don't they take their time with a big movie like this. **** fox **** Anderson and **** the Aliens. Man I hope it's not as bad as your saying.

[FaceOff]

Droidguy Where Is Your Review?

[PsYkOoOoO]

Yeah i agree with FaceOff.Whats the rush?When you are dealing with two classic monsters you ought to take your time on this.Just like how Van Helsing tanked.When you are dealing with classic creatures you MUST take your time!

[SpiderHam]

Great! Just ****ing Great! Why don't they take their time with a big movie like this. **** fox **** Anderson and **** the Aliens. Man I hope it's not as bad as your saying.

So, one guy reviews it poorly without giving you any actual info and you instantly accept it as the gospel truth?

[Oj]

Great! Just ****ing Great! Why don't they take their time with a big movie like this. **** fox **** Anderson and **** the Aliens. Man I hope it's not as bad as your saying.

Well, it was that bad to me. You could have a completely different view on it. One guy in the screening seemed to enjoy it quite a bit. Let me put it this way: if you like movies with substance, you won't like this movie.

[SpiderHam]

What if I like movies with substance, but can also enjoy crazy pointless action?

[Wildbill]

Alien vs Predator (http://wildbilld.brinkster.net) rating and midnight crowd report up.

[Oj]

What if I like movies with substance, but can also enjoy crazy pointless action?

As long as you can enjoy poorly edited, cheesy, crazy, pointless action, you should be fine ;)

[FaceOff]

So, one guy reviews it poorly without giving you any actual info and you instantly accept it as the gospel truth?


Nope. Thats not the case at all. If you read the last line I say ''Man I hope it's not as bad as your saying''.

[Soulless]

I just saw AVP but I'm not going to write a long drawn out review. Instead I'm going to say that I went in expecting something that never came. I don't usually base a film on it's rating but in this instance the PG-13 rating did hurt the film. I don't know if it was the stupid crowd making jokes every five seconds, whether the film was too short, or because I went in expecting too much, but whatever it was it was disappointing. I'll probably see it again just to be sure, because I don't pay, but at the moment I feel the film did not live up.

[JG7_ME262]

I just saw it here in KC.

I will say for me it wasn't too bad . Its worth seeing . However I agree with most of you guys . PG-13 and the movie being only 1 hr 30 mins long will be its down fall. Everything just seem to happen to fast when it was starting to get really good .

I give it 3 1/2 stars out of 5 .

[omi_wan666]

the movie was sold out the whole day here in puerto rico. everybody was chearing every time that predator was on screen the only thing i dont like is that alien get a a$$whipping except for the queen so in overral is way better that van helsing , alien 3, alien 4, and predator 2 and by the way the special effects are cool in my opinion.

8/10 worth seeing.

[droidguy1119]

Alien vs. Predator - Review Thread

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Trailers
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Teaser 2 http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_trailer/large.html
Internet Exclusive Trailer http://download.ifilm.com/qt/portal/2645260_200.mov
Trailer http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/trailer/large.html
International Trailer http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003080001-2004311972,00.html
TV Spot http://download.ifilm.com/qt/portal/2644816_200.mov
Featurette 1 http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/featurette/
Featurette 2 http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/featurette2/large.html
Featurette 3 http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/featurette3/large.html
Featurette 4 http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/featurette4/large.html
Clip 1 http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/clips/clips_fight_large.html
Clip 2 http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/clips/clips_faceoff_large.html

Synopsis
A team of scientists is sent down into the cold of Antartica to examine a mysterious pyramid buried beneath the surface of the earth. Inside, they make a terrifying discovery -- an ongoing battle between two species from another planet. Slowly, they find themselves getting closed in the middle of a battle they never wanted to be a part of.

Official Website
www.AVP-movie.com

August 13th, 2004

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Alien vs. Predator
A Review by Tyler Foster
for www.funkdiggityfresh.com

With most summer movies, for every good thing, there's at least one bad, and it's just about seeing how much more than mediocre a film can be. Because with summer, there's no doubting movies are made for one thing -- money. Only moreso with franchise movies, and finally when we arrive with a crossover like Alien vs. Predator, we've reached the pinnacle, the cash-cow summit. What we get here is a passable film, with some nice references, a lot of cheesiness, varying special effects and that at least seems to care a little whether it delivers on the premise of two icons beating the crap out of each other. It's not great, no, but I'd guess most fans will go nuts for it.

The movie's opening feels culled out of a library of summer ideas that are meant to be funny or surprising, but are only mildly amusing. Charles Bishop Weyland (Lance Henriksen), billionaire, assembles a team of scientists and experts to explore a pyramid his tracking sensors have discovered beneath the surface of the planet, 2000 feet down. An unepxected surge of warmth (ooh, what could it be?) has caused the heat sensors to get a picture of it, and now Weyland wants to go in.

The plot's ideas range from interesting to ridiculously goofy. The pyramid itself is kind of cool, although the way it was formed was, well, in my opinion, stupid. Luckily there's probably a whole fifteen minutes of this movie devoted to it, and the rest to the title battle. Our guide there is a cast of human characters, which, aside from Weyland, I couldn't name. We've got our heroine, Sanaa Lathan, who is the strong will of Ripley, combined with the compassion of Harrigan from Predator 2 (because she just ain't Arnold). Then there's Raoul Bova, who hangs around a little while longer than most of the other characters, and Ewen Bremner, who is eccentric, and therefore memorable. Lance Henriksen is the best, I loved him even if only for a little throwaway joke in his office where Weyland excercises what's probably an old habit...Alien fans will love it.

So here it comes. The Big Gripe. And guess what, folks? You may just have to admit that those of us who argued, yelled, pleaded and screamed that a PG-13 was a bad idea were totally right. Those of you who thought King Arthur's choppiness felt stunted are going to feel three times as cheated at AvP. The first Alien and Predator fight in the movie is rendered almost unwatchable by ridiculously frenetic editing, along with other human violence completely censored to widen the film's box office appeal. Another summer movie that comes to mind is Bourne Supremacy. I was fine with that movie's shaky camera, but I couldn't stand it here.

The direction and writing from Paul Anderson is also mixed, which was the other big worry for fans. It's not as bad as you might fear (this movie's definitely better than Resident Evil), and shocker of shockers, the man generates some real tension instead of just cheap sound-effect jolts. For the most part he stands back and lets the title creatures do what they do, and that works. What doesn't work are a lot of cutting to a 3-D diagram of the pyramid, which happens at least five times during the first hour...and then never again. Anderson trips the goofy meter as many times as the script, probably because he wrote it. The movie's finale is so mixed that there were as many laughs as there were cheers, and that's not neccesarily a good thing.

But I suppose Alien vs. Predator ain't that bad. I'm a fan, I enjoyed it. AvP is basically a somewhat subpar stock summer movie elevated into the territory of passable fun by the references and cool of the two franchises it's trying to revive, and yeah, if you're a fan, see it. If you're not, maybe you should wait, but I found my expectations beat by at least a small amount. And hey, as for one last fear I'll quash for all who are waiting to see if the flick delivers: While it may come dangerously close at one point, at least none of the characters say "Whoever wins...we lose."

Score: 7.5/10

Starring Sanaa Lathan, Raoul Bova, Lance Henriksen, Colin Salmon, Tommy Flanagan, Agathe De La Boulaye, and Ewen Bremner
Directed by Paul W.S. Anderson
87 Minutes/Twentieth Century Fox, 2004
Rated PG-13 for violence, language, horror images, slime and gore

[FaceOff]

Droid which movie did you enjoy more this or Freddy vs Jason?

[droidguy1119]

Freddy vs. Jason, I suppose.

[Baadshah]

i'm going to see it tonight

[New_Breed]

ima' wait for the DVD

[Inval1d]

Mr. Disgusting's Review on AvP at www.bloody-disgusting.com is hilarious


FYI it's not a positive review. But he trashes the whole movie cause of what happenes.

he gave it 1 skull out of 5. ouch..

[Mr. Blonde1]

he sounds pissed lol

[halo7]

well even if AvP is so bad it burns out your eyes one thing we all know is that its better than YUGI-OH the movie also out this weekend;)

[cg124]

That was a great review at bloodydisgusting

[MovieFreak322]

I'm seeing it Saturday. Everytime a PG-13 movie comes out that I think should be R, I end up going to see and loving. Two examples: Hellboy and Van Helsing.

[Glordreen]

Saw the midnight screening last night. Holy crap! This movie is crap! It is the worse movie of the year, and I am even a fan of these franchises. The last 20 minutes of the movie dives down to hell, hard! The Predators face at the end looks completely fake, like plastic. And when lex and the Predator are running through the abandoned whale station, and the fire and explosions are behind them, it looks so crappy, and the fact that the Predator befriended her, kills the entire movie.
The movie isnt actually that bad until the end, but the last half hour is completley retarted. And the PG-13 rating really hurt this movie. I HATE YOU PAUL W. S. ANDERSON!!!!!!!!!!! You turned this movie into *****!

5/10 (just for some of the cool parts when the Predators are battleing with the Aliens.)

[cg124]

I'm seeing it Saturday. Everytime a PG-13 movie comes out that I think should be R, I end up going to see and loving. Two examples: Hellboy and Van Helsing.


Well hellboy isn't based on very dark material, don't let the name fool ya. It wasn't ment to be an R rated movie

[PsYkOoOoO]

Paul Anderson is currently second on my List of Idiots list.Right after George W Bush.

[cg124]

I'll probally just wait for the DVD but i'll make sure I get the uncut one, if there is one

[sniktawt]

Alien vs. Predator - Review Thread

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Synopsis
A team of scientists is sent down into the cold of Antartica to examine a mysterious pyramid buried beneath the surface of the earth. Inside, they make a terrifying discovery -- an ongoing battle between two species from another planet. Slowly, they find themselves getting closed in the middle of a battle they never wanted to be a part of.

Official Website
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August 13th, 2004

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Alien vs. Predator
A Review by Tyler Foster
for www.funkdiggityfresh.com

With most summer movies, for every good thing, there's at least one bad, and it's just about seeing how much more than mediocre a film can be. Because with summer, there's no doubting movies are made for one thing -- money. Only moreso with franchise movies, and finally when we arrive with a crossover like Alien vs. Predator, we've reached the pinnacle, the cash-cow summit. What we get here is a passable film, with some nice references, a lot of cheesiness, varying special effects and that at least seems to care a little whether it delivers on the premise of two icons beating the crap out of each other. It's not great, no, but I'd guess most fans will go nuts for it.

The movie's opening feels culled out of a library of summer ideas that are meant to be funny or surprising, but are only mildly amusing. Charles Bishop Weyland (Lance Henriksen), billionaire, assembles a team of scientists and experts to explore a pyramid his tracking sensors have discovered beneath the surface of the planet, 2000 feet down. An unepxected surge of warmth (ooh, what could it be?) has caused the heat sensors to get a picture of it, and now Weyland wants to go in.

The plot's ideas range from interesting to ridiculously goofy. The pyramid itself is kind of cool, although the way it was formed was, well, in my opinion, stupid. Luckily there's probably a whole fifteen minutes of this movie devoted to it, and the rest to the title battle. Our guide there is a cast of human characters, which, aside from Weyland, I couldn't name. We've got our heroine, Sanaa Lathan, who is the strong will of Ripley, combined with the compassion of Harrigan from Predator 2 (because she just ain't Arnold). Then there's Raoul Bova, who hangs around a little while longer than most of the other characters, and Ewen Bremner, who is eccentric, and therefore memorable. Lance Henriksen is the best, I loved him even if only for a little throwaway joke in his office where Weyland excercises what's probably an old habit...Alien fans will love it.

So here it comes. The Big Gripe. And guess what, folks? You may just have to admit that those of us who argued, yelled, pleaded and screamed that a PG-13 was a bad idea were totally right. Those of you who thought King Arthur's choppiness felt stunted are going to feel three times as cheated at AvP. The first Alien and Predator fight in the movie is rendered almost unwatchable by ridiculously frenetic editing, along with other human violence completely censored to widen the film's box office appeal. Another summer movie that comes to mind is Bourne Supremacy. I was fine with that movie's shaky camera, but I couldn't stand it here.

The direction and writing from Paul Anderson is also mixed, which was the other big worry for fans. It's not as bad as you might fear (this movie's definitely better than Resident Evil), and shocker of shockers, the man generates some real tension instead of just cheap sound-effect jolts. For the most part he stands back and lets the title creatures do what they do, and that works. What doesn't work are a lot of cutting to a 3-D diagram of the pyramid, which happens at least five times during the first hour...and then never again. Anderson trips the goofy meter as many times as the script, probably because he wrote it. The movie's finale is so mixed that there were as many laughs as there were cheers, and that's not neccesarily a good thing.

But I suppose Alien vs. Predator ain't that bad. I'm a fan, I enjoyed it. AvP is basically a somewhat subpar stock summer movie elevated into the territory of passable fun by the references and cool of the two franchises it's trying to revive, and yeah, if you're a fan, see it. If you're not, maybe you should wait, but I found my expectations beat by at least a small amount. And hey, as for one last fear I'll quash for all who are waiting to see if the flick delivers: While it may come dangerously close at one point, at least none of the characters say "Whoever wins...we lose."

Score: 7.5/10

Starring Sanaa Lathan, Raoul Bova, Lance Henriksen, Colin Salmon, Tommy Flanagan, Agathe De La Boulaye, and Ewen Bremner
Directed by Paul W.S. Anderson
87 Minutes/Twentieth Century Fox, 2004
Rated PG-13 for violence, language, horror images, slime and gore

Do you really have to post all those links and stuff? :confused:

And cg you were right. ;)

[cg124]

come on snik it's droid;)


I know my sisters boyfriend is seeing it today. i'll have to ask him how it is

[sniktawt]

i'll see it Sunday.
And after reading the reviews I'll know I'll love it.

[sniktawt]

come on snik it's droid;)




Point being :confused:

[cg124]

i'll see it Sunday.
And after reading the reviews I'll know I'll love it.


did you check out the review at bloodydisgusting? That was funny he was pissed off beyond belief. he gave the Big F you to mr anderson and fox

[cg124]

Point being :confused:


nothing really it's just what he does. Is their a point to it? No , but droid seems to like doing it

[sniktawt]

Seems like a waste of time to me and kinda pointless.To each his own I guess.

[omi_wan666]

I can believe you guys. See the movie first an the trash talk whatever you want

OK

[Dracula]

Well, I told you so.


This movie is ****!

I just saw it (I normally wouldn't have, but I had a free ticket from my Predator SE DVD so I thought "What the hell") But it was also a waste of time. The Aliens looked acceptable, but the Predators were completely inconsistant with the first movie (I never saw Predator 2 so it may look more like that) But regardless this is ****. The whole "I know how this got here by reading hiroglyphics" thing was ****ing retarted. Although the flashback that ensued was kind of cool. Frankly I think this simply did not work as a movie (as everyone without the letters "W" and "S" for a middle name already knew Hence the fact that this originaly existed as a comics and videogames and the computer game is ****ing awsome BTW) The pyrimid was a horrible battleground to dark and restrictive, slow motion was overused and the camra work in the fights sucked.

1/2 of a star, out of 4

[Mat]

I agree with all the badmouthing this movie is getting. It's an insult to what a great movie Alien is and how fun Aliens and Predator are. This is like a horrible video game movie, while Aliens is one of the best video game movies. I didn't like any of the characters and even when I began to be amused by one, they got killed off.

The is crap in one of the worst degrees. It's the worst movie of the year and worst movie of either franchise (even Alien Ressurection had a few more realized moments than this hunk). In the words of Roger Ebert, I hated Hated HATED this movie. I'm not even going to give it the luxery of a full review.

No grade

[cg124]

while Aliens is one of the best video game movies.

:confused:

aliens isn't based on a video game

[Illuminati]

The movie gets 4/10. Bad acting. Music sucks. Storyline sucks. Alien and Predator fighting parts are good. Good graphics. Im really dissipointed.

[Mat]

:confused:

aliens isn't based on a video game

Yeah but it's a video game movie. You know... things come out and marines or whatever shoot them. There are lots of video game movies not based on video games.

[beyond_th3]

I liked it. I went in expecting nothing, and came out entertained. was it great, not by a long shot but in case you people haven't noticed it is a summer popcorn movie made for money, not quality. The action was great, the ending was predictableafter the scene with the three predators and the million aliens was revealed as a flashback, all my hopes for a kickass finale diedI also loved the homage to ripley with the alien tongue and sanaa lathan. I give it a 7/10

[poeman]

WOW, this FILM is GARBAGE!!!!!!

i cant believe some of you liked this trash.... Freddy Vs jason is a King compared to this JOKE!.
unbelievale... isnt this the idiot who did Mortal Kombat 2.
NEVER EVER DIRECT a MOVIE AGAIN.
TRASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
Predators reminded me of Whoppi Goldberg

[droidguy1119]

Yeah...everyone planning to see AvP, see Garden State instead, I implore you!

[JG7_ME262]

Hummm ..... What exactly were you guys expecting from a movie like this ? Another Titanic , On Golden Pond , or something like that ?? :confused:

[Soulless]

I was expecting a Verses movie. There wasn't much of that. Forty-five mintues to an hour goes by before you even see an Alien much less a battle scene. And cutting away from every single death was infuriating.

[roboxeno]

whats "Garden State " about

[SnoBorderZero]

This gets a 4/10 from me. I'll post a review for it later. And at least I wasn't bored with it like I was with Riddick (bleh).

[daveanator]

i thought it was good not great but good 7.5/10

[Sparhawk]

Hummm ..... What exactly were you guys expecting from a movie like this ? Another On Golden Pond

:lol: Wasn't that the original title, Aliens Vs Predator On Golden Pond.

I love both franchises and have been mourning the death of both since they announced this movie was going ahead.

I'll still see it, out of curiosity, but I'll rent it. To pay money to see it in theatres would only encourage studios to crank out more pig vomit like this in the future.

[Inval1d]

some of the fight scenes were cool too bad the predalien wasn't shown untill the ending for the setup of a sequel


the only thing i probably loved about this movie was the poster and the Shaun of the dead trailer with it.

6/10

[zamphir66]

Hummm ..... What exactly were you guys expecting from a movie like this ? Another Titanic , On Golden Pond , or something like that ?? :confused:

I get peeved by the whole 'summer popcorn movie' excuse. Look People: There have actually been really good summer popcorn flicks, i.e. The Rock, Terminator 2, etc. etc. You say 'its just a popcorn movie' as if that means that its OK if the movie is bad. Well, it's not OK. I expect more.

[Baadshah]

i liked the film, it was OKAY. It should have been a rated R to have more freedom of making scary scenes with a lot of gore, and more fight scenes with the Alien and the Predator. But i like the whole idea of [spoiler]the team up with the hero and the Predator[/b]. I mean, i would do the same thing if i was in her position, SO I WON'T DIE

[pockybot]

***SPOILERS***

the good and the bad.

Yes, it was directed by Paul 'worthless ****' anderson, and was PG-13. But I had been waiting eons for this.

AvP did kick ass in some respects.

THE GOOD:

*The best thing was seeing that Alien Queen...holy crap, out of all the Alien films, this had to be the freakiest and best looking one. There was also a pull back from far away scene with a Predator on top of an alien that looked great.

*Bishop is back, along with the Weyland group...tho no Yantani, I liked the Weyland-Yantani wumpscut logo. So there was yoru continutiy for ya, since bishop was in Alien 1 and Aliens 3.

*finally getting to see Predators on the big screen for the first time in 14 years.

*finally, after a decade plus of games, comics, etc...we finally get to see Aliens take on Predators. Our first taste was in 1990 with Predator 2's ending, and
the comic series AvP from the same year.

*an idea WEVE ALL had, which was what if there was an alien harvested IN a Predator...we finally get to see that, at least a preview. I knew theyd put that in there.

*the little penguin, so cute!

*Seeing the Aliens FINALLY on earth.

*More about the Predator culture, and how they are not all out hunting humans, if you earn their respect(ie: danny glover)

*the final Alien Queen battle was bad ass...almost looked like Stop Motion.

And NOW the BADDDDDD:

*one word: RUSHED. the film starts slow enough, then holy crap...we go into hyperdrive. I never knew eggs could be hatched, find a human host, burst, then grow into full sixed aliens in such short time.

*the dialogue...dear god, but eh...its to be expected.

*NO REAL CONTINUITY. Now, AvP takes place before all the Aliens films...but AFTER the Predator films. They had to have known about Predators right? Even in PRedator 2 they reference the outcome of Predator one. Also, nothing is really acknowleged with Bishop. Its like Paul Anderson thought 'well, I can afford his c-rate pay salary, I will throw him in." but that sit, no back story. I was VERY sad there were no revelations about Bishop. In fact, Weylands invovlement makes NO sense in this film. In the comics and games, they harvest the Aliens and are an evil greedy corporation.

*AvP felt more like a qauint little 'how convenient' way to get Aliens and Predators together...as well as seemed like a ripoff of Alien 1 mixed with the last half of Predator 2.

*the editing. I realize this was pg-13...but c'mon, ya cant have an Alien or Predator film without excessive gore.

*the Predator neon green paint ball blood. That was very very bad.

*The beauty and the beast angle...oh gee, Predators are our friends...they should have a bonus epilogue after the credits, like Napoleon Dynamite has, where the lone survivor chick and a predator go on a date in central park. "I just dont think this is working out...I think we should see other Alien warriors".

*The obigatory "Armageddon" team assembling from various parts of the globe. We know most or all will be killed, whats the point of wasting our time with these intros?

*Did I mention the lack of continuity or acknowlegments?

*the fact the team of folks dont seem terribly alarmed that there are giant spider like aliens and warrior guys causing mayhem.

*matrix bullet time face hugger flying...wtf?

*while the Alien effects rocked...when the Predator takes off his mask...oh god, wheres stan winston when ya need em? just laughable, and not in keeping with the last two predators.

*The 'Cube' rubix angle...seemed like just an excuse to string together sets that dont really flow together like the previous films.

*the Predator and woman dynamic duo running scenes. geez.

Ok, so the bad outweights the good...by the time the final 'OMG! an alien predator hybrid!" ending happens, it seems kind of silly.

But still, I see a lot of good, from a purely geek fanboy point of view here.
The series has been truly dumbed down to pg-13 yawn faire, but at least the franchise is kept alive. Nothing will ever beat 1986' Aliens tho.

[SnoBorderZero]

Terminator 2 was a popcorn flick?

[Halofan1]

Saw it again today and it frustrates the hell out of me. I want to like it, but I cannot call it a good film. When it delivers, it delivers very well.

On Anderson's behalf, I think there was some studio interference.

[CoanBread751]

Well I can tell you this. This is the first time I have ever said this about a movie. This is the worst film I have ever seen. And no one tell me otherwise. IMO .....omg...i cant type anymore about this stupid ****ing movie.

[Terminator57x]

Terminator 2 was a popcorn flick?


Terminator 2 is an awsome movie

[SnoBorderZero]

Definitely not the worst (ever seen Crocodile 2: Death Roll?) but pretty bad.

[Infected Trust]

What makes me angry is that material like this gets wasted on poor quality writers, directors, and actors.

The Sci-Fi/Horror Genre is treated like it's the ass end of movies. Apparently, it's where B and C List people are suppose to get their start, and give their first impression to mass audiences.

I'm sick of movies with such a freaking great concept being destroyed by worthless *******s who use these films to test out new "talent". It's been this way for Sci-Fi/Horror as long as I can remember and it needs to end.

I want a GOOD Sci-Fi/Horror Flick with an A-List Cast & Crew. If it's an adaption, I want the creator on the project to be sure his/her creation isn't gutted on celluloid.

I want the best there is to offer and a damn near perfect script. I'm tired of this genre getting butchered to hell!

[00100011]

***Warning: Spoilers***

I went to see this movie thinking that most of the humans would live, there wasn't going to be any human gore, and that the Alien versus Predator fight was going to be, well, kiddie-PG 13. Hands down, this movie was a lot better than I thought it was going to be; it is definately, in my opinion, Paul W.S. Anderson's best work since "Event Horizon." However, this movie is not the movie that I, nor many others, wanted; we wanted the future, desolate-planet movie with marines.

The Predators weren't as good as they should have been, but I'm glad that all, except one, of the humans died. My opinion? The aliens really kicked ass... they were great; I'd say they won, becuase the Predators and humans sure didn't win. The "hero" alien, the one that got netted and later had the grid marks, was done very well.

One problem I had was that they didn't go more into depth about Weyland and how he made his millions in robitcs (which sets the path for the "artificial persons" seen in the other "alien" movies); from what I remember, the only thing that said he was in robotics was the magazine cover that Lex, the main actress, was reading on the helicopter. One question, though, "If Charles Bishop Weyland is alive (until he dies) in this movie, and his cyborg is in "Aliens," then how is he alive in Alien 3? Clone?"

This movie's ending didn't do it for me either, Lex alone in Antarctica. It should have ended with her going to Weyland Industries, where we learn more about Cyborgenics and their plans for space exploration/mining (and cloning, which would make Charles Bishop appearing in Alien 3 make more sense, and it would make sense considering Ellen Ripley was cloned in Alien: Resurrection). There, Lex would tell her story about the Aliens and Predators to a Weyland panel of corporates (it's logical, they'd want to know what happened and why Charles Bishop is dead), after which she is imprisioned for the rest of her life so that no one else would ever know about it (which would show the evil corporate side of Weyland Industries, and it be the perfect reason why they would be so extremely interested in the alien species later, in what would become "Alien").

[WuTical]

Saw the movie tonight

it was decent

hopefully they release a longer uncut version on DVD

[pockybot]

I agreed in part with Droidguy's review. Anyways, sorry for the geek out rant I posted...Ive had time to soak in the film and have managed to put together this review:

Alien Vs Predator review, by cory you
Whoever wins...we lose... Our $9.50 that is. How appro po is that tagline? After a decade and a half of buildup, including everything from comics and video games to books and toy lines; the geek fanboy wet dream of Alien Vs. Predator had finally arrived...or more accurately been pooped out. Sitting amongst a plethora of whining Yu Gi Oh crack kids, Wal- Mart mothers, and painted mountain wolf shirted bumpkins; I sat knowing I was in for one hell of an anal hemmorage. Not since last year's The Matrix Revolutions and 2001's Hannibal had fans been leveled with such a sickening slap in the face.

And so here it was...what we had been waiting so long for, dreamt about, clamored for. Yet I can barely even call it a shell of what once was. Gone is the visceral blood opera...gone is the dark atmopsheric tension ...and gone is any shred of continuity to the previous films. AvP is a pure anathema of what these films had been built on. Yep, welcome to the modern era...where the goriest flick of the year is a Christian movie, and where Aliens Vs. Predator is made squeaky clean and safe for the whole family. A kinder gentler sterilized world, where sons can look up and smile at their dads, and listen to DC Talk on the minivan ride home. HR Giger must be spinning in his burcalounger.

What could have been one of the coolest and epic of sci fi cinematic events, ends up being the joke of the Summer. But the red flags were all there, we should have known better. From the fact Fox didn't allow any critics to preview the film, to the mere fact it was pg-13 and clocking in at a paltry 87 minute running time. But the most tell tale sign of all was that Paul "Worthless ****e" Anderson wrote and directed it. Nowhere more in the cinematic world is one person known for absolute craptacular movies based on cool concepts. I guess Fox decided that if there was any juice left in these franchises, that combined together into a nice safe for the kiddies flick it'd rake in the dough. Just a total and complete disregard for everything constructed before. AvP wasn't made out of a 'love for the franchise' as Anderson put it, but for the quick disposable box office buck.

And so here we are...halfway through this film you're questioning the meaning of life itself. Is this even an Alien or Predator film? All this buildup, surely it all comes down to the fight scenes right? Hey, not so fast cowboy! By the time we even get to any sort of Predator vs. Alien duel, it's over in a blurried punches pulled embarassing manner. I was just cringing...is this what we had waited for? Blundering made for late night cable wrasslin? I was half expecting a Predator to pull a suplex. Naw, the once bad ass Predators are made into trick ass *****es pretty fast, as if to say 'that's all for us folks, have a g'night!'. We can forgive the utter lack of character development, or the pathetic lines of dialogue(It's like finding Moses' dvd collection!) But man, the one thing it had to deliver, and it fails miserably.

The biggest ream in the ass comes when you realize Anderson has completely thrown out everything established in both franchies. Gee, you'd think for someone whose been whining for a decade about getting this made, he would have carefully combed over both franchises. Nope! Except for the Lance Hendrickson character Bishop and the Weyland corporation, it's as if this film was lifted from any of his other templated works of cliched pap.

Sure, there's a few bones thrown out to fans. I do have to say that the Alien Queen scenes are some of the most ominous, ornate and glorious silver screen moments of all time. I was reminded of when I saw the tapestry pulled from the wall onto that guy's back in The Cell. But that's about it. Most of the little nods come off as forced and just silly. I mean, did we really need bullet time Matrix like facehuggers? And while the animatronic and cgi work on the Aliens themselves is remarkable, the Predators are just laughable. You can tell Stan Winston is nowhere to be seen here. Between the cheap looking unmasked Predators and the neon green paintball blood, everything that could be wrong *is* wrong. Also, AvP just feels rushed. After an excruciatingly slow buildup, we get a super compressed time lapse. Wow, I never knew an Alien can chestburtst it's way into full grown maturity in 20 minutes...must be the new and improved insta-Alien! The premise of the film is ok, with a captured Alien Queen forced to lay eggs in an Antarctic rubix pyramid...kind of like a dumb version of the film Cube.

Finally, the worst offense of this whole charade has to be the utterly laughable ideas introduced. I'm sure at the time Anderson probably thought they were 'bad ass'...I don't want to give em away...though I am quite sure each and every audience member saw the final 'sequel ready' shot coming, and the ET meets Beauty and the Beast scenario towards the end is just pathetic. It's bad enough they got my money with this one...of course when Fox releases the R rated director's cut dvd just in time for the stocking stuffers, they'll be laughing at us once again.

[Brock Landers]

it is definately, in my opinion, Paul W.S. Anderson's best work since "Event Horizon."

Which really isn't saying anything at all :nono: :D

[Jeff_king]

Just wanted to put this movie on a list with the rest to show where I place it.

Aliens
Alien
Predator
Alien 3
Predator 2
Alien vs Predator
Alien Ressarection


Its real close between the last 2. Ide have to see AVP again but thats where I place it.

What do you guys think?

[Baadshah]

did anybody notice the first post of the thread. It didn't seem to have spoilers or anything, like he made a review off of the trailer that we all seen, i bet he faked it, oh well, it's too late now

[Hitman]

My curiousity is driving me to see this movie but I don't know. Maybe I'll see Collateral a 3rd time.

[Mat]

My curiousity is driving me to see this movie but I don't know. Maybe I'll see Collateral a 3rd time.

That's a good idea... I wish I had :(

[rosncranz]

i think maybe i went in with exceedingly low expectations so i enjoyed it more than i should have or normally would have. not a big fan of the predator films but liked the alien films 1,2, and 3. i thought the predator was made out to be kind of a pussy though.

[sniktawt]

Yeah...everyone planning to see AvP, see Garden State instead, I implore you!


I thought you liked it Droid , You gave it a 7/10.
Based on your review was the reason I'm seeing this in a few hours.

[Mr. Blonde1]

^Don't try to laugh to hard when you see the preds unmasked, snik ;)

[Tennessee]

Quite alot of people dislike this film, but the CS! review is fairly good.

Is it a good pop-corn flick then?

[Aztec]

Quite alot of people dislike this film, but the CS! review is fairly good.

Is it a good pop-corn flick then?

It's a good popcorn flick if you are willing to completely shut off your brain for an hour and a half.

My biggest pet peeves about this film:
1) Alien lifecycle from egg to adult reduced to about 20 minutes.
2) The shifting pyramid- WTF?
3) Why were all of the creatures so obscenely large? Far larger than their previous screen counterparts.
4) Did anyone give a rat's ssa about any of the characters?
5) The absurd ease at which the Aztec specialist deciphered all of the codes.
6) It was way too short to tell the story they were attempting to.

This should have been a far better film. How do you mess this up? Freddy Vs. Jason really puts this movie to shame and then some. Why, oh why, did they give it to that hack Anderson?

[droidguy1119]

I thought you liked it Droid , You gave it a 7/10.
Based on your review was the reason I'm seeing this in a few hours.

Well, I did like it, sort of, just barely, and if you're a fan of either series I think it's worth watching once...but Garden State is a million times better.

[Aztec]

My Rankings:

Aliens
Alien
Predator
Predator 2
Alien vs. Predator
Alien: Resurrection
Alien 3

[SnoBorderZero]

I didn't like Alien. Thought it was boring. The only Alien/Predator movies I've seen are Alien, Predator, and Alien vs. Predator.

[Dracula]

1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien 3
4. Predator
5. Alien Resurection
6. Alien vs. Predator
Never saw Predator 2

[mrtc]

At the end did a baby predator, or a baby alien come out of the predator at the end that was killed?

[Mandrake]

I havent seen the film yet(and have been anticipating it for awhile now)but I have noticed a trend of fact among everyones comments. Mr Blonde hit the point home regarding the lack of a raw film. I have not seen it yet but I am getting the notion that AVP was written/filmed/edited/produced/and directed for the VERY YOUNG AUDIENCE. The lack of blood, the lack of real bloody fights or gory scenes, the length of the movie(teens have a very short attention span so they are conditioned to like it as long as its short and quick), and finally, I dont believe there will be a "unrated" version on DVD since its PG-13, as this movie is teenieville all the way(of course,im basing this upon the comments from you all). I am not completely disregarding the movie though as I too enjoy some mindless no plot popcorn movie to enjoy, ...mostly just for the popcorn.

[dustindame]

I give this one a 7/10.

[sniktawt]

Well, I did like it, sort of, just barely, and if you're a fan of either series I think it's worth watching once...but Garden State is a million times better.

Huge fan of both series , especially Predator and From what I'm reading that they are wusses and fattys in this I will avoid this today and put it off till monday.
I need an open mind to see this.Maybe By then I'll be lukewarm to the idea of them being losers.

[Imagination_13]

Eh, it had its moments but overall it pretty much wasn't that great. :redface: If you wanna see Preds and Aliens kill each other, go see it. If you wanna see them brutally tear each other apart, go and be dissapointed. My only real peeve with it was that russian chick got raped by a facehugger. She was so cool. :(

Oh, and the predator's are pretty much wusses and fatties; but they still do some major ass kicking.

[pockybot]

I havent seen the film yet(and have been anticipating it for awhile now)but I have noticed a trend of fact among everyones comments. Mr Blonde hit the point home regarding the lack of a raw film. I have not seen it yet but I am getting the notion that AVP was written/filmed/edited/produced/and directed for the VERY YOUNG AUDIENCE. The lack of blood, the lack of real bloody fights or gory scenes, the length of the movie(teens have a very short attention span so they are conditioned to like it as long as its short and quick), and finally, I dont believe there will be a "unrated" version on DVD since its PG-13, as this movie is teenieville all the way(of course,im basing this upon the comments from you all). I am not completely disregarding the movie though as I too enjoy some mindless no plot popcorn movie to enjoy, ...mostly just for the popcorn.

1) You are right, the ADD pacing, frenzied edited fights, lack of any sort of gore, tension...and the rating was specific to get in the yu gi oh kids.

but

2) Youre very wrong...I can almost guarantee you there will be an R rated directors cut this xmas on dvd. Why? If ya know anyhting about the way the industry words...as well as know that this is somethign Fox and other companies are known for. Think about it, name one alien or Predator film that wasnt rated R? Sure Xmen and HellBoy never got an R rated dvd release; but thats because they dont need one.

[mjb]

Well i saw it and liked it a lot. Their was nothing wrong with this film as far as a popcorn flick go. It was very entertaining. It's sad that this film got so much bad buzz and press before even being released, and it stated with fat @ss Harry's AICN site. All the people who claimed to see the movie before its release date and bash it to no end are people who I don't believe even seen it, but instead choose to do so because it's the cool geek thing to do, because the cast and director wasn't chosen who fanboys deem cool and edgy. I bet if a director like Fincher or Norrigton had did the exact same movie the tone and reviews would be different. It'll be called entertaining or good, but not great by a lot of fan boys.

I tell you one thing for sure, this AvP was better then both of them d@mn SW prequels that are so d@mn overhyped and overmarketed and made a ton of cash based on the huge following it has. No one here casn honeslty say that Episode 1 & 2 were good films, they were boring snooze fests with wooden actors and tons of CGI. The only good scenes in them was the fight with Darth Maul in EPI 1 and Yoda vs Count Doku or whatever in EPI 2. Even the Jedi army fighting the droids was underwelming.

I really went expecting this AvP to be complete and utter garbage. AvP turned out to be pretty d@mn decent. Now don't get me wrong, I had some issues with this film, and some minor complaints. The fight scenes were to short, to close up and the editing was choopy and fast. The characters in the film were decent actors, who just had poor direction and no depth put into them. The kick @ss characters are killed off to d@mn fast, and the movie just movied to fast. Everything seemed rushed, and my biggest complaint was the d@mn to fast rate at which the humans were infected, and the aliens chest busted out and was full size in no time. The process was to hurried.

The PG13 rating was just awful, even though the movie managed as best it could with that d@mn kiddie rating, it wasn't right. Aleins and Predator are ment to be R-rated films, it doesn't need to have it's balls cut off just to cater to the d@mn under 18 crowd. FOX went horriably wrong with that descion. I did read an article down in soth FL in the local paper where Anderson fought with FOX on the PG13. He had h.e.l.l with FOX. I also wasn't none to happy about Paul W S Anderson helming this, but he finally managed to turn out a decent product, his best movie to date, shyt his only decent movie, because all his others are mediocre to garbage. Since Anderson didn't write the entire script himslef, and had co writers, I say it's the co wroters that are behind the film be better then it would have turned out if Anderson had just done it.

Even with my complaints the movie is still entertaining, and why FOX was worried and chose not to do advanced press scrennings is beyond me. Their was nothing wrong with this flick as a popcorn movie. I'm sure a lot o critic would have given it a worth seeing rating and moaned about the hurried rate of this film, and lack of memorable characters, but then the film is supposed to be about the Aliens vs the Predatores, so why would someone expect a lot of stock to be in the human characters? They are just there for the Aliens to use to birth their young, and the Predators to hunt and kill. Which brings me back to the choice of the Pg13 rating? The film is worh seeing in my opinion, and I will be seeing it again.

[mjb]

The dialogue is truly atrocious.
Zero *'s

I'm sick of people talking about the film's dialogue. Man pull out your Predator movie with Arnold, and watch that again. The movie is a classic do to the action, but the acting was crappy, and them soldiers and the one female jungle chick had zero character development. Can you even tell me the female's name from Predator without looking at the credits? When did Jesse the body Ventura become a great actor? The man was a phucking wrestler then. The only two actors of some substance was Carl Weathers, and Bill Duke, and they bite it pretty quick. As for dialogue? Well I guess great lines like "I ain't got time to bleed" is good script dialogue, LOL! Arnold's @ss could barly speak english, and the reason why all of his action film were chaulked full of one liners. "Ms don't wake my freind he's dead tired" or "Here Bennet let off a little steam" after Arnold throws a pipe thru him. All great dialogue from Commando.I tell you one thing the cast of AvP even though underdevolped can all act cirles around the cast of Predator.

Now Alien is a different matter. Both 1 and 2 were great sci-fi films, and had good character development. I can actually name all the main characters in both films, because they are developed well, and quite memorable. Now while AvP isn't on the level as the Alien films, well at least 1 and 2, it was a pretty good popcorn flick. Yeah I'm pissed at FOX for not lining up a good creative team to bring these classic creature characters to the big screen after years of retirement, because they deserve to be seen in all their classic glory, but hey FOX was footing the bill, and we have no say. AvP was a decent film, and I will see it again, and by the DVD.

[beyond_th3]

what I am tired of is people saying that the preds were pussies and fatties. I guess some people will forget that they have armor on because they seemed pretty slim to me(especially the legs, maybe more attention should have been paid to the movie) and how could the preds be pussies when it was only three of them to begin with and two of the three died real quick(thanks to the aliens sneaking up on them, whose the real pussies?)the last pred was obviously smarter than the others like the part when one alien was trying to sneak up and the pred sliced half of his head off.

And the most kickass scene in AVP was when the pred grabbed alien by his feet and swung him into the walls and then threw him.

[quiksilver022]

hahaha...

you idiots wasted money on this movie.

*runs away laughing*

[pockybot]

I really wish I could see this 'not so bad and actually entertaining' cut of AvP people seem to have seen. As the version I saw made me question life itself, and wanna get an HIV test from feeling like I just got prison raped.

[Pebbles73]

I haven't seen it yet I plan to .I will put the Alien and Predator movies in the order I like them best .I am quite the Alien movie fan hehe. I would like to see another Alien movie but its got to have Sigourney Weaver in it she kicks butt .

1. Alien
2.Aliens
3.Aliens 3
4.Aliens 4
5.Predator 1
6.Predator 2
7.AVP ?

Pebbles aka Orlando Bloom Maniac

[Halofan1]

My Rankings:

1. Aliens
2. Alien
3. Predator
4. Alien Vs. Predator
5. Alien Resurrection
6. Alien3
7. Predator 2

[Halofan1]

hahaha...

you idiots wasted money on this movie.

*runs away laughing*

HAHAHAH! I saw it for free jackass.

[SnoBorderZero]

The movie was awful, leave it at that. Anderson has NEVER made a good film and NEVER will. Why was this movie such crap? Yes everything you've said, but has anyone noticed that Anderson totally messed up the franchises here? My little neighbors saw this movie and now are believing things like the Preds created the Aliens, that the Preds were once humans, etc. And even worse, they all thought it was the coolest thng they've ever seen (gag). Anderson constanly tries to make thigns his own (Resident Evil, ruining my fav game series) and totally F's it up. How did the Queen Alien get there? No idea... But thanks to Anderson my neighbors argue with me endlessly that the Preds created the Queen Alien. I'd like to show them Alien and prove them wrong but I forgot, they cant see R-rated films. Ugh...

[bjgroves91]

I guess this means that Alien 5 will be greenlighted? I hope that they put a lot of time and effort into Alien 5 since AVP proved that both franchises have money power. My tops...

1.Aliens
2.Alien
3.Alien 3
4.Predator
5.Alien Resurrection
6.Predator 2

Havent seen AVP yet.

[FaceOff]

I just want to thank most of the people here for putting this movie down. It made me enjoy it more. Wasn't as bas as people are saying thats for sure. I think they could of used 15 more minutes of explanning things. But I'm sure they will have it on dvd. Also a couple more battle scenes would of been nice. But like I said, maybe I wouldn't of enjoyed it as much if it wasn't for all the bad hype. I'm not saying this is the best movie of the summer.But it's not the worst either.
7/10

[WuTical]

i wanna know 1 thing

How did the Queen get there?

[Carnage Escobar]

I saw it last night with my friend and we thought it was damn decent. It's not the atrocity that most of the *ssholes around here claim it to be, but it's probably not the movie a lot of people were expecting (and judging by most of your guys' reviews, I don't think you gave a ***** to begin with). Granted, it has it's flaws just like any other movie, and yeah the bad slightly outweighs the good, but I still found it enjoyable simply because I'm a die-hard Alien and Predator fan. Now here's what I thought were the only parts that pissed me off:

1. Two Preds die within minutes by the same Alien! How absurd. The Preds come back after a 14-year absence and this is what they get? Granted, Aliens truly are "the perfect organism" but that was just *****ed up. I expected the Celtic Pred (the giant beast-like one) to stick around much longer, but instead he gets annihilated within minutes.

2. The lack of blood & gore. I really should've expected this because the movie was a p*ssy pg-13, but damn, not even the Alien/Pred deaths were that violent. And just about EVERY human death was off-screen. Not to mention that when the chestburster popped out of Sebastian, there was absolutely NO BLOOD whatsoever! PA-THE-TIC!!!

Those are my only 2 complaints. I didn't care about the acting, the dialogue, the characters, the story, the plot, or even the effects. I cared about one thing: Aliens and Predators on the same screen kickin' each other's ass and that's exactly what I (along with my friend) got.

End of *****ing review.

[zamphir66]

Terminator 2 was a popcorn flick?

Absolutely. Big budget, summertime, explosions, robots, fighting, death and destruction. Pretty much fits the bill of a popcorn flick IMO. But a great, great movie!! That's why I get angry when people defend bad movies by saying "its just a popcorn flick, what did you expect?" Well, I expect a good movie. duh.

[mjb]

I really wish I could see this 'not so bad and actually entertaining' cut of AvP people seem to have seen. As the version I saw made me question life itself, and wanna get an HIV test from feeling like I just got prison raped.

Just go to your local theater, it's playing there I'm sure. If you had to question life itself, then you need a life, cause I just go to the movies for entertainment. I'm expecting no movie to be a life changing expierence for me. Having your 1st child is a life changing expierence for me, and not a flick, it's just escapism.

[Radiohead]

wasn't horrible. wasn't great. entertaining for $5. and we got the full length Saw preview.

5/10.

if youre a fan of either franchise you should be able to enjoy it on some level. i dont know what everyone was expecting. a cinematic masterpiece?

[Oj]

Geez, I'm getting so sick of this "what were you expecting?" line. It's not like I'm gonna rate a movie well because I wasn't expecting much of it. I wish everyone would stop giving this movie a handicap and start giving it real ratings.

[Andrey83]

So.....the predator on the poster (who looks like he should do), dies within the first 5, and then a silly lookin predator is left for the rest of the movie.

Hmmm, how much does a hitman charge to take out a director? TONY!!!

[JG7_ME262]

hahaha...

you idiots wasted money on this movie.

*runs away laughing*


And he pays $ for an ISP just to say that . LOL ;)

[carnage4u]

wasn't horrible. wasn't great. entertaining for $5. and we got the full length Saw preview.

5/10.

if youre a fan of either franchise you should be able to enjoy it on some level. i dont know what everyone was expecting. a cinematic masterpiece?


its amazing how so many people here have their 10 scale so different.
im just using this an example.

a wasnt great/wasnt horrible rank to me would be a 6.5ish.. a 5.. would mean i puked up during the film because at some point it was so lame i felt the need to punch a small child to feel better.




Anyway..
id give it a 6.5 :)

the fight scenes between 2 class'es were indeed fun, but overall weak film,

[Johnnys Apples]

I liked this film and thought it could have been better. I hope that if there is a sequel that they step it up some. The only problem that I had in the movie is that when the last predator had the alien inside of him the queen couldn't detect it. In the previous Alien movies (I forget exactly which one) when Sigourny Weaver had the alien inside of her, she wasn't attacked because the queen could sense it inside her. Why didn't it detect it inside the predator? Overall though, I felt this was a pretty good movie. I really hope they do a sequel because I think they could improve a lot off of what they already have done. :)

[Tony Montana]

Hmmm, how much does a hitman charge to take out a director? TONY!!!


My friend.. considering the target... Ill do it for free!

[padawan331]

:cool: I thought this movie was awesome, but it was too short.The fact that it was pg-13 also killed it.Other than that i thought it was great and i cant wait for AvP 2. Out of ****, I give it ***.I also cant wait for Aliens 5 and Predator 3 :cool:

[blueshirt005]

Geez, I'm getting so sick of this "what were you expecting?" line. It's not like I'm gonna rate a movie well because I wasn't expecting much of it. I wish everyone would stop giving this movie a handicap and start giving it real ratings.

it was fairly obvious from almost the get-go that this movie would probably be a disappointment. thats why. i dont know anybody that thought this movie would be a piece of masterful, groundbreaking cinema.

thus, anyone expecting a deep, insightful movie that makes you question your life, your actions and the world....sorry youre so disappointed.

[Brock Landers]

Wow that was lame.

5/10

[carnage4u]

The more i think about the movie, i try to think what would have made it better.

I think R rated would have helped but not enough to make this movie about par.
I did enjoy the actual fights of aliens vrs predators. I dont even care who won the first couple fights, I enjoyed those moments. I guess some of the little things like

1.) how fast aliens popped out was just annoying, but minor.
2.) I didnt really hate the people considering they were suppose to be 2nd fiddle to the aliens/predators, but something was missing.
3.) The movie just seemed to rush once it got going. The pacing was way off. I guess that was my biggest complaint. Just didnt flow well.

[FaceOff]

So.....the predator on the poster (who looks like he should do), dies within the first 5, and then a silly lookin predator is left for the rest of the movie.

Hmmm, how much does a hitman charge to take out a director? TONY!!!


I think the Predator on the poster is the one that lasts till the end.

[Oj]

it was fairly obvious from almost the get-go that this movie would probably be a disappointment. thats why. i dont know anybody that thought this movie would be a piece of masterful, groundbreaking cinema.

thus, anyone expecting a deep, insightful movie that makes you question your life, your actions and the world....sorry youre so disappointed.

I wasn't disappointed at all with this movie. I got what I was expecting. Garbage.

[werebadger]

I really liked this movie, and had a good time watching it. I am very excited to see where they take it from the ending in this movie. I give this movie 7/10 It did things right and it did things wrong, but I think the right outweighs all the wrong.

[Brock Landers]

I wasn't disappointed at all with this movie. I got what I was expecting. Garbage.

Ditto. This movie sucked.

[Halofan1]

Ditto. This movie sucked.

Only reason I thought it didn't suck all the way was because we get to see the Aliens and Predators on screen for the first time in a while.

[Necross]

I give it a 7 out of 10.

I thought it started out rather slow. I'm all for really good plot and stuff but some stuff in this at the beginning seemed like they were trying too hard for a plot no one really cared about. We just wanted to see the Aliens and Predators kick each other's asses. Which brings me to the good point. The movie got kickass when the Predator and Alien fought for the first time, it was really great from then on. I don't care who thinks this was dumb or corny but I LOVED how the girl and the predator teamed up and the whole sequence with the Alien Queen on the surface was great

Basically a pretty decent film. First half was pretty slow but it made up for it around midway.

[Brock Landers]

My review is now up:

http://funkdiggityfresh.com/review346.html


The second half, the Tyler Foster half, is droid(because droid IS Tyler) ;)

[Mr. Blonde1]

Good review Brock

[BlackJack&Coke]

Six Months later......

DVD collecting dust in the bargain bins of Wal-Mart....

[Doomsday]

Well I got a free ticket because I bought the special edition of Predator (and if you don't like the original Predator, you can die). I'll check it out soon I guess, I'll probably have to go nerd-style because I doubt anyone will wanna go with me.

At the very least, I hope this helps revive the franchises. Both can go soooo many directions.

[blueshirt005]

Well I got a free ticket because I bought the special edition of Predator (and if you don't like the original Predator, you can die). I'll check it out soon I guess, I'll probably have to go nerd-style because I doubt anyone will wanna go with me.

At the very least, I hope this helps revive the franchises. Both can go soooo many directions.

its not as bad as people make it out to be. and judging by how its been tearing up the box office, its a good sign that the public still loves their Aliens and Predators. should be interesting to see where it goes from here.

[Necross]

its not as bad as people make it out to be. and judging by how its been tearing up the box office, its a good sign that the public still loves their Aliens and Predators. should be interesting to see where it goes from here.

Yeah it really isn't horrible, I mean its got nothing on Aliens and Predator 1, and I have seen much better movies this year. But like Doomsday said, I could see more movies arrising. And Alien and Predator are the only ones I am really interesting in seeing revived. I couldn't care less about Chucky, Freddy, Mike Meyers, Jason or any other but I've always liked these two franchises.

[omnus]

it was fairly obvious from almost the get-go that this movie would probably be a disappointment. thats why. i dont know anybody that thought this movie would be a piece of masterful, groundbreaking cinema.

thus, anyone expecting a deep, insightful movie that makes you question your life, your actions and the world....sorry youre so disappointed.

There were so many things wrong with AvP that I find it incredible anyone
could be totally enthused with it. It makes Alien Ressurection look slightly good by comparision.

Is it just me or have movie standards/tastes really taken a nosedive in the past few years?? Or is it just the younger Gen Y generation who's giving this outlandish ratings? I think all of you who thinks this is a great Alien or Predator movie should take another look at Alien/Aliens and Predator on DVD or VHS.

I could go on and on point by point and describe how and why the movie was bad compared to its predecessors, but everyone's idea of what consitutes a good movie (action or otherwise) is so screwed up nowadays I'd just be wasting my time.


AvP Scoring:

4/10 : Plot/Pacing
2/10 : Premise/Script
7/10 : Effects
5/10 : Acting
4/10 : Direction
6/10 : Sound
2/10 : Music


Aliens Score (For Comparision):

8/10 : Plot/Pacing
9/10 : Premise/Script
8/10 : Effects
9/10 : Acting
10/10 : Direction
8/10 : Sound
10/10 : Music

[teewee1432]

I liked this movie, I thought too that the beginning had some scenes in it that didn't need to be, but the second half more then made up for it, especialy the ending. 8/10

[Tyranic_Lord]

well now tha paul anderson has ruined both franchises i highly doubt there will be an Alien 5 or Pred 3. Im still puzzled as to why they let this dumb f*** who knows nothing about directing/writing take this project.

I say we mob up and burn house down....

lol

[SoundScream]

Saw it last night 6.5/10
Anderson is an average Director who's only skill is making a movie look like it cost more than it did. He would be a great TV movie director but as a cinema one he is just okay.
The script is horrible and full of bad cheese. There can be good cheese like the 80's Flash Gordon or bad cheese like AVP.
The acting was god awfull at points, the only person I didnt mind was Wailen/Bishop charcter(I loved when he did the open hand stabing thing with the pen at the start, made the movie a 6.5 instead of a 5.5)
Also the makup on the Predetor was horrible. I saw the Predetor 1hr before going in to AVP, and I want to know how the makeup in 2004 can be worse than an 80's movie. The Predetors all looked like they all had downsyndrome.
This movie is made for DVD cause for every cool 2min there are 20min of bordem. It to long for the action to get started and when it did there wasnt as much as I would want. I mean it is Alien vs Predetor, not an hour of story and a couple of fight scenes to fill up the last hour.
Any other director from the past Alien movies(Scott, Cameron, even Fincher) would have taken this movie to the top of the Geek Parthonon, but we get Anderson who makes an average one.

[mr_movies2000]

Just got home from seeing it and I thought it was a good movie. I think it would of been better with an R rating. Would of been nice too see more gore during the human kills. I give it a 7/10

[Andrey83]

I think the Predator on the poster is the one that lasts till the end.

But.....on the clip "alien vs predator fight" it is another predator. It has another mask......

[KenM]

How come at the end, when the girl makes it back to the surface, she is not freezing her A$$ off with no cold protection? Its Antartica. :nono:

[JG7_ME262]

This may answer some questions for some of you .

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370263/board/flat/11022775

Hi, I'm back from the screening and Q&A and while I was able to ask some of the questions you guys posed, I couldn't get them all in. Regardless, many of the people who were also there had similar questions.

First of all, this screening was made up of industry professionals and filmmakers. No actors, but David Fincher, (Director of Alien 3) was there, which was cool. Now the audience were trying to be respectful in the beginning but as the film unfolded, the audience ended up really trashing the film. It was astounding to see Anderson's colleagues and friends openly making fun of his film, with him in the room!

When the Predator took off his helmet in front of Lex after the explosions someone shouted "Gimme some sugar, baby." I mean, this movie was bad, but I didn't expect these people to be so blatant about it.

When Anderson and the effects guys approached the tables, they were smirking with each other. The first subject that came up, no thanks to me, was the length and PG-13 rating.

So here it is, from the horses mouth.

About the studio's cutting of the film, which he had no control over, he said, and I quote, "All of the best scenes were cut." Anderson was obviously very annoyed at the way the film was released. However, this was not purely because of the PG-13 limitation, which incidentally, the studio enforced THREE WEEKS before the release date! It was always going to be R until then. Part of the reason for the cutting was that some of the effects were not ready by the time the release date came around. The effects team had very little time to do anything.

As far as the content that was cut, apparently we see all those who die, die on screen, but he also said that there is a sub-plot that we will have to wait for on DVD. Yes there will be an R-rated Director's cut DVD although they don't know the release date yet.

Without saying anything that could dig his own grave, Anderson tactfully pinned the fault of the poor quality of the film on the studio's cut. We all know that the script and performances was not quite up to par either, but then it was time for me to ask my first question.

"What specifically, makes you [Anderson] such a fan of the original 6 films?"

He went on to say that he thought they each had their own unique voice and were incredibly creative within a genre that often leads to purely formulaic films (ahem, mate, this is you!). He said that he was attempting to add his own unique voice to the series while paying hommage to the original source material. He also thought that the creatures, were the two greatest inventions in Science Fiction history. Someone then said, "Beyond lightsabers?" and he replied, "yes, even beyond lightsabers."

Some other effects questions were asked, which had some cool insights. The explosion sequence encompassed for half the budget, which was only 65mil in the first place (for a film like this, this is nothing), and all the shifting of the walls, yes ALL OF IT, was completely CGI. There were no moving live sets. Having watched it again, I have to say, I couldn't tell, and all my friends know that if there's some CG in a film, I'll see it. That impressed me. Also, they changed the appearance of the Queen slightly, adding a ridge to her crown and taking away, what they call, the "high heals" that she wore (the second reverse knee). Also, 80% of all the shots with an Alien in it was the hydraulic Alien they built.

Anyway, effects aside, I asked another question.

"I know that the AVP project has been surrounded by controversy since the first attempt in the early nineties. Why did you choose to not use any of the pre-existing stories, the original comic series, the Peter Briggs script, etc?"

He told me that he wanted to make the film his own. He also proclaimed that he'd had the idea for this film ever since seeing Predator 2. I thought that was probably ego-driven BS, but regardless, it's what he said. He also said that the Peter Briggs script is completely off-limits, shelved indefinately by Dark Horse and they won't let anyone tough it. Sounds to me like he tried, heh heh.

Later I asked some technical nerd questions. I wasn't the only one. I started by stating that I noticed some glaring continuity errors between this film and the pre-established occurences in the previous 6 films. Anderson stopped me before I could continue and said due to the "mangling" of the film, there was a lot left out. I asked, "Does that include the acceleration of the alien life cycle or was that just conveniant."

Whoops, I had hit a nerve. He shook his head. "No, no, the machine that the Predators built to house the Queen pumps her full of hormones that accelerate the birth of the creatures. If we'd seen the REAL film, we'd know that." Ouch.

The answer to why Aliens attacked the incubated predator was that the alien inside the Predator was not sanctified by the Aliens because it was essentially a different species due to the DNA reflex the Alien's possess. Okay, I guess I could go with that.

The Q&A wrapped up with talks about the digital intermediate and the difference between working with Super35 and Anamorphic.

I tried asking a last question but they ended it before I could. I pretty much hogged the Q&A as it was.

Afterwards I went and shook Anderson's hand. He remembered me from a mutual acquaintances birthday party. I told him I couldn;t wait for the Director's Cut and was really nice. I asked about a sequal and he said he'd thought about it but nothing concrete was in motion. They were waiting to see about the returns. I told him I had what he neede and I would send him my treatment through CAA. I assured him it was a direct sequal and he said, "Good." I then said, so they're letting you have a Director's cut, huh? He said, "yeah, it'll be great." Then I said, can I give you some advice from the youngest generation of filmmakers, namely, me." He said, "Sure, go for it." I said, "The facehuggers are fast, damn fast, get rid of the matrix shot when they jump out of the eggs for the first time." He said he'd take that into consideration. Then I started talking about the reviews. I talked about IMDB and how much of a "Lover Versus Haters" war had erupted. He seemed amused by that and then said, to my surprise, well, as a filmmaker, I'm satisfied with the film, but as a fan of the originals, this cut really pisses me off, so it makes sense I guess." he said he'd check it out (the IMDB boards) but I can't gaurantee that will happen. Just know that, if in a week or two someone comes on claiming to be Anderson, it might well be him.

All in all I was really happy about what he had to say. It was great to hear a filmmaker so honest about his work and he knows that he has a long way to go before he is any good as a filmmaker. Having talked to him before, I know that the films he is making now are films that, he feels, will only get him to a place where he can really excel.

Oh well, there it is, hope that shed some light on some stuff. Oh, and apparently, the book they wrote is based on the original R-rated cut, so that'll tell you what is missing.

[><nekabyte><]

sounds to me that Anderson isnt completely at fault, and the blame should point more towards FOX.

[blueshirt005]

well now tha paul anderson has ruined both franchises i highly doubt there will be an Alien 5 or Pred 3. Im still puzzled as to why they let this dumb f*** who knows nothing about directing/writing take this project.

I say we mob up and burn house down....

lol

how the hell can you say he ruined both franchises?? AvP is, as far as i know, successful. i dont care if you like it or not, its making money. and if what Anderson says is true, the new cut on DVD will make even more money and also possibly change some opinions of this movie.

bottom line, AvP has proven the public still loves the characters. there will be more movies.

[Adrian]

I will get the R rated version and watch it for free. anderson sux and always did.

[PS_PoWeR]

Okay I'm putting this here since people seem to be tired of new AVP threads.

I recently picked up the issue of Starlog magazine with AVP on the cover because, despite the movie being disappointing, I still cannot help being a Predator fan. :)

Inside is an interview with Mr. Anderson. This interview confuses me a little. The first thing is he actually bashes Predator 2 in their, saying "I don't think anyone liked that one."
Well.........I like Predator 2 better than AVP! (Hey at least Pred was still badass and the movie was R.)
The second is that Mr. Anderson, surprisingly, seemed very well educated in the Alien and Predator franchises. By the way he talks, it's easy to accept that he's watched all the movies and comics, and that he's thought things through very deeply.

So....what happened??
You can say he's a bad director, but he co-wrote the thing too and the writing was not very good either!
The whole "teaming up and running together" [ you know what I'm talking about] was so cheesy and embarassing to watch. Didn't Mr. Anderson see this as it was being filmed?? This among others, mades me wonder what in the world happened......I could take the direction, and even the quick edits, but the writing was so bad!

[Andrey83]

God damn! I just saw the movie. Damn this movie could have been so awsome. But it wasnt. It sucked. And that pisses me off. God damn you Paul Anderson. Go do something else for a living. This sure aint your thing!

[elpresidente]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=avp.htm

Domestic Total as of Aug. 22, 2004: $63,053,000 (Estimate)

Production Budget: $60 million Est. Marketing Costs: $35 million


FRI 13 $16,442,987
SAT 14 $12,614,277
SUN 15 $ 9,233,792

MON 16 $ 3,928,172
TUE 17 $ 3,226,112
WED 18 $ 2,703,056
THU 19 $ 2,404,215
FRI 20 $ 3,900,000
SAT 21 $ 5,000,000
SUN 22 $ 3,600,000



It looks to me like as bad as the movie is, that it will probably break even with oversees sales, and maybe even make a small profit on video and merchandising...which of course means these dregs of humanity will make another one of these junkers.

[Andrey83]

yeah, because there are so many fans of both series.....

this probably meen though that we will see a sequel. it better be alot better!

[><nekabyte><]

ok....i finally saw this movie this past Saturday, and....O-M-G....it was bad. My wife actually laughed at this movie. and y shouldnt she??? afterall, it was a big joke. unlike myself, my wife isnt a fan of either series, but thought that this movie looked interesting. and we were both soooo wrong.
i went into this movie optimistic despite all the other negative and positive things i was hearing about this movie. but as with any other movie....i like to draw my own conclusion. the fast-paced scenario, i didnt mind. in fact, i found the developing story the most interesting part. i wasnt too sure of the whole "pyramid under the ice" thing, but they made it work very well. and the movie was really looking up until the Predators entered the pyramid. then the water balloon of stupidity splattered all over the movie screen. y did the preds leave thier guns at the pyramid? does a deer hunter leave his gun in the woods? does the fisherman leave his fishing rod in the water? but yet this highly developed race of hunters leaves thier weapons in the middle of the hunting ground. and im not sure if anyone else noticed this....but they made the Preds out to be complete pussies. If Anderson would have more eresearch on this....he would find out that Predators dont use thier energy weapons unless going into a hive, where there are hundreds of aliens. they generally use thier energy weapons to hunt humans. i guess all those spears and blades are just for looks. so many problems i have with this movie. another thing is the queen. yes....too much T-Rex-ish. and then...shes not dead. everyone who seen this movies think about it.....she is NOT dead. ok....im done with the bashing....its too depressing.
i will talk about the good points though. the environment....very well done. i do like the whole pyramid thing, eventhough i thought that i wouldnt...but they made it work. the CGI and creature effects were great on the aliens. not so much on the Preds....they did look like WWET's (World Wrestling Extra-Terrestrials). i half expected them to start smack talking. and the change in the appearance of the Preds face. CRAP!!! there was no need to change that, and instead of thier complete extaordinary look from the earlier films, now they just look like a cheap-b-rated horror monster. ok...for real...im done complaining. i'll jus end this about the Predalien....i didnt mind it. It kinda gets back to Alien3. if u ever watch the commentary from Alien3, they say that an Alien can take on physical traits of its host. hence the small "runner" alien from Alien3....it came from a dog...so it was smaller....and liked to chase cars. so the Predalien thing isnt completely off the wall. and being that we havent seen the alien incubate inside anything other than a human or dog....they can make up anything they want.
but.....i will say go see this movie. draw ur own opinion. and then when ur laying in bed that evening...trying to soak everything in.....say a prayer. pray to the gods of cinema...that if a sequel to this mutilation is made....that Fox will get soemone to do it right, and then stay the **** out of it.
Rating.....3/10. slightly better than Catwoman.

[TICHSTER1980]

I thougt the movie was better than expected. hat you have to remember is that the aliens lost their scare factor a while ago. There were some good scenes fair enough some performances are duff. but alot of peolple on this topic are just being stupid. What did you expect an oscar winner. I actuallly enjoyed the movie i love the aliens films. i thought it was beeter than attcak of the clones which was way too bland!. You all knew waht to expext Paul andersen is no ridley scott or james cameron but it was a good summer popcorn movie. I was gutted that it was'nt more violent but the way the film was cut suggests that Paul andersens version will be a better so stop whining and as for the morons who think freddy vs jason was better get real that film was terrible. I have never seen such a daft film. He actually filmed some scenes well using the slimy weapon (used in other movies in the franchise alot) prettty well. using ridleys notion of not showing the alien too much. BUt some scenes were pretty daft. BUt overall a decent fun movie anot a classic but a good effort. So morons don't be daft chill out it was fun not a classic but fun!!! anyway complain to fox they went over andersens head which must be very humiliating!

[Illuminati]

I am still dissipointed in this crap movie. The director better not direct again. I hope this movie gets no award. Everybody is like "Its sooooo cool!" . No. No its not. Now that I think about, this movie isnt even worth a two. . Burn. I am a fan of the Predator films. I hated this film with a passion. It was not a fun, good, popcorn movie. It was a boring,bad, crap movie. I would have rather sit through the 700 club then see the movie. It was a waste of money and time. The movie was not "daft". No scene in the movie was "daft". The fighting scenes were "ok". The movie was crappy. . Get a clue.

[BlackJack&Coke]

not sure if anyone else noticed this....but they made the Preds out to be complete pussies.

If you look at some of the interviews, you will find that Anderson talks about how much he was influenced by alien movies, but not much is said about predator. So he wanted an Alien Sequel, not a true matchup of characters, perhaps?

[><nekabyte><]

ok first off.....i dont appreciate being called a moron for what i wrote about this film, so its retaliation time. first off....have u seen all alien and pred movies? have u read any of the novelizations? i dont think u have. this movies was mediocre at best, and im even talking the R rated director's cut. i think Paul Anderson based this movie off the games. and u can compare this movie all u want to FvJ....but the sad fact is is that FvJ stayed more true to the characters than AvP did.
i didnt expect an academy award winner.....what i did expect was a decent film. what i got was some good nachos and a ****ty movie. let me guess....u liked catwoman too? this movie wont even be up for an MTV movie award....or teen choice for that matter. a movie that could have given box office records a run for the money is barely breaking even. oh....and im glad u found the whole slimey gun work so entertaining. lol. and u actually have the gall to call other ppl morons. so before u jump on here defending something u know nothing about, and calling ppl morons and stupid, i suggest u get mommy to rent u all the movies, and buy u a couple books so u can actually know what u are talking about. but then again....they're rated R.....u might not be allowed to watch them. k thx gg bye.

BlackJack....i wouldnt be too surprised if he did draw all his influence from the alien movies. and maybe AvP2 the game. i would expect no less from this sorry sack. i really do hope they make a sequel, and will get someone who will stay true to BOTH characters.

[Illuminati]

Thank you.

[SnoBorderZero]

Illuminati it WILL win an award, from the Razzies. Oh and by the way, shut the hell up. I hate the movie too but you're acting like a dumbass.

[Illuminati]

Dude. Grow up. Im not the only one. Your 14, your talking like a sailor.And can you back up what you said about me? No. Want to know why? Because I am not acting any different then anyone else who doesnt like the movie so back off you .

[Illuminati]

Its also just an opinion.

[The_Fenix]

I loved AVP, so I'll try and give a run-down of it so you can see where I'm coming from.

I'm not a hardcore fan of any sort for either of the Alien or Predator franchises, but I do love Alien and Predator 1. I've seen Aliens 4, which I did not like.

I'll admit that the character development and dialogue is weak, you don't really feel anything for the characters. In Alien, all the characters felt alive (even the Android guy) and real. In AVP, they're bland and 1-dimensional. For this reason, when the characters in AVP died, it's more of "whatever" type of response. Now, this wouldn't have been so bad if the only purpose they were serving was to get killed. The movie tries to get you to care about them, but it can't. There's also a certain amount of cheesiness I can take, but it's funny parts aren't done well enough.

For it's strong points, I think I loved the movie for it's action. I suppose I was just enjoying to see these two species beating the crap out of each other. I'll admit that it's not as scary as Alien, but it seems that they're trying to balance out the stealth/horror of Alien with the action of Predator 1. It worked pretty well, but I think the horror elements could've been done better.

In summary, don't expect anything from it's acting or character development, and if you want to see a great action flick, go see AVP. I hope this review helped somewhat, feel free to criticize.

[SnoBorderZero]

Dude. Grow up. Im not the only one. Your 14, your talking like a sailor.And can you back up what you said about me? No. Want to know why? Because I am not acting any different then anyone else who doesnt like the movie so back off you .
And your talking like your a gangster and bashing someone for their opinion while acting like an idiot expressing yours. (And what I mean by gangster talk is your 816 Represent)

[SeeVee]

I thought it was alright, I suppose.

But what could've made it better, ..is something like this:

After the last Predator finally removes his mask, he should've lit a joint and asked her if she wanted to ''hit this *****''. Then I might give the movie a slightly better than average rating.

[Andrey83]

Whats funny is that the predator without his mask in AvP looked MORE fake then the predator without the mask in Predaotor 1 from like 1987!

Paul Anderson sucks so hard he cant even make it look better then 1987. damn....

[ambrosia]

Whats funny is that the predator without his mask in AvP looked MORE fake then the predator without the mask in Predaotor 1 from like 1987!

Paul Anderson sucks so hard he cant even make it look better then 1987. damn....

:omg: Are you serious? The film hasn't opened yet in Australia but I gotta say these reviews from all of you guys (whose collective opinion I respect more than any paid critic) is making me a little hesitant and more prone to choose the 'rent it out on DVD' option.

[><nekabyte><]

i love childish name calling and flaming on this thread. ppl gettin called morons and dumbasses....and for what? for talking about a horrible movie. opinions are all this thread is about....so deal with it. if u dont like what someone writes...then dont read it.

ambrosia....go see the movie. u might like it....u might not. go and draw ur own conclusion. i went despite all the negativity....just to see for my own eyes.

[BlackJack&Coke]

ambrosia....go see the movie. u might like it....u might not. go and draw ur own conclusion. i went despite all the negativity....just to see for my own eyes.

:D

[Illuminati]

The 816 is just a joke. You need to take a chill pill. Me bashing an opinion? Where? You were bashing mine you hipacrite. I just read YOUR location. I am trying to act gangster? The only people I hear or see saying california like that is gangsters. Again,hipacrite.


Hey man. You should see it. I didnt like it but its an opinion. I dont know your tatse so who knows, it might be the best movie you have seen.

[elpresidente]

ok....i finally saw this movie this past Saturday, and....O-M-G....it was bad. My wife actually laughed at this movie. and y shouldnt she??? afterall, it was a big joke....................i went into this movie optimistic despite all the other negative and positive things i was hearing about this movie. but as with any other movie....i like to draw my own conclusion..............i will say go see this movie. draw ur own opinion. and then when ur laying in bed that evening...trying to soak everything in.....say a prayer. pray to the gods of cinema...that if a sequel to this mutilation is made....that Fox will get soemone to do it right, and then stay the **** out of it.
Rating.....3/10. slightly better than Catwoman.


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So after all the back and forth in our disagreements, you acknowledge that it is a steaming pile.....I am vindicated.

The only problem I see is the promotion of this notion that it's bad, but go see it anyway......this is the formula the faster and furiouser morons of movie making bet on to break even or even profit so they can make more junk.
The best advice is not to advise but just to tell them what you thought and that's all, some will go, and most (hopefully) will not....

I also read a couple of 'professional' reviews by now, so inspite of paul-I'm not muadib-anderson's claim, however subtly implied that it will be better in the expanded/unedited version....I am never going to see this EVER, your review clenches it for me...it is the only way they will ever stop making ****!!!
We have to say "this point, but no further".....we must draw an absolute line we will not cross !!!

[blueshirt005]

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So after all the back and forth in our disagreements, you acknowledge that it is a steaming pile.....I am vindicated.

The only problem I see is the promotion of this notion that it's bad, but go see it anyway......this is the formula the faster and furiouser morons of movie making bet on to break even or even profit so they can make more junk.
The best advice is not to advise but just to tell them what you thought and that's all, some will go, and most (hopefully) will not....

I also read a couple of 'professional' reviews by now, so inspite of paul-I'm not muadib-anderson's claim, however subtly implied that it will be better in the expanded/unedited version....I am never going to see this EVER, your review clenches it for me...it is the only way they will ever stop making ****!!!
We have to say "this point, but no further".....we must draw an absolute line we will not cross !!!

and so the saying goes...

"One man's trash, is another's treasure."

if i told you jumping off a bridge was the next cool thing for 2004, would you believe me and go do it?

think for yourself. formulate your OWN opinion. see the movie. like it, hate it, i dont care. but for gods sake dont let yourself be run around on a leash by the rest of the world.

[Hitman]

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So after all the back and forth in our disagreements, you acknowledge that it is a steaming pile.....I am vindicated.


VINDICATED. I am selfish, I am wrong. I am right, I swear I'm right. Swear I knew it all along and I am FLAWED, but I am seeing in me now. *ahem* sorry :D

[><nekabyte><]

first of all.....we werent talkin about whether the movie was good or not. read back a lil further and u will find that i had said that i had no opinion of whether the movie was good or not, for the simple fact that i hadnt seen the movie. that dispute was over character development.
and oh yea....love how u jump in here and proclaim how u were so right, when all u did was repeat what a hundred other ppl wrote.
and as for telling other ppl to not go watch this movie, y dont u let him go make his own decision? he might jus like it. but instead of wishing him atleast that, u have to come off like some righteous know-it-all.

damn....grow up kid.

[Andrey83]

:omg: Are you serious? The film hasn't opened yet in Australia but I gotta say these reviews from all of you guys (whose collective opinion I respect more than any paid critic) is making me a little hesitant and more prone to choose the 'rent it out on DVD' option.

I'm serious about that yes....its kinda bad since we are in 2004 now and thats what we get....

[elpresidente]

and so the saying goes...

"One man's trash, is another's treasure."

if i told you jumping off a bridge was the next cool thing for 2004, would you believe me and go do it?

think for yourself. formulate your OWN opinion. see the movie. like it, hate it, i dont care. but for gods sake dont let yourself be run around on a leash by the rest of the world.


The post I made should have told you that the conversation was a wee bit deeper than just that post....I read the book that is based on the screenplay, every single review ESPECIALLY the positive ones that were effusive and generous pointed out the flaws in great detail and in doing so made it abundantly clear that the concerns I had about the movie were very well founded and that I would not be interested in seeing it.
Some people live by the philosophy that you must see a thing in order that you know you will like or not....I wholeheartedly disagree and will always do so, because I know my own tastes quite well.....I have a good imagination and I am sufficiently well endowed....in my foresight to have a very accurate sense of what I will enjoy..this I have learned through trial and error...only a fool does the same thing which leads him to dissappointment after he has done it enough times to see the outcome....this is why movies and everything else is marketed to the young....not because they know what's cool and have an excellent sense of taste, but because they have yet to refine their tastes to the point where they can pick out what is 'just right' for them.
I can't quite say my tastes have been refined in all areas of life, but when it comes to movies I have seen a great many and have come to understand what I will enjoy, so when I see a lame promo or a series of reviews about a movie such as AVP where already I was unsure I would see it...and the results speak to concerns I had, clarifying for me that it doesn't suit me.....at that point it would simply be masochistic of me go watch.........a waste of my time and money. So that is why I won't go !!!

[elpresidente]

first of all.....we werent talkin about whether the movie was good or not. read back a lil further and u will find that i had said that i had no opinion of whether the movie was good or not, for the simple fact that i hadnt seen the movie. that dispute was over character development.
and oh yea....love how u jump in here and proclaim how u were so right, when all u did was repeat what a hundred other ppl wrote.
and as for telling other ppl to not go watch this movie, y dont u let him go make his own decision? he might jus like it. but instead of wishing him atleast that, u have to come off like some righteous know-it-all.

damn....grow up kid.


Sure grandpa.....by the way....uber fuhrer, I am 28.

I acknowledge that the subject matter that our dissagreement focused on had little to do with AVP, it was about characterization which lent itself to the discussion peripherally, and since there was no point in continuing a discussion where I couln't convince you of your wrong headedness, and vice versa, I disscontinued participation since only...a kid..would bother to continue blathering on in self importance after a clear impass had set it, or start to strike out in pointless insults.

I mentioned that I had no plan on seeing a movie that had such lame characterization as compared to the alien/predator movies....we dissagreed...and that was that.....if you read anything else into it...righteousness, that's your own problem of ego...I said that in good cheer not as a statement of my superlative nature....

The fact that I fed upon your critique was a compliment to you, though your head was clearly shoved to tightly in some dark hole to grasp that...we dissagreed to the point were it became pointless for me to continue then all of a sudden you're like.....'oh man this is ****!!!'....I WAS VINDICATED, just as I said...mere fact, it's not that you vindicated me, but that this guy who could dissagree with me so much would then agree...inadvertently...unexpectadly...that as I believed, the movie would be garbage....that's all there was to it...you are far too sensitive.

Me thinks you invest yourself far too much in this site....pretty soon you'll be like one of these people with 20,000 posts under their belt....that is scary.....cause this site has not been around that long......you would have to spend quite a lot of time here....

[><nekabyte><]

ok...i normally dont stoop to levels of insulting someone.....but are u stupid? i never disagreed with u on whether this movie was good or not. u said it urself....it had little to do with AvP. so therefore....I am vindicated. secondly....we were arguing over character development....not characterization. go back to school for literature....these are 2 different things.
as for u feeding off my opinion. u didnt do it to compliment me. u leeched off my review and then tried to make urself look like u had won some argument. well u won nothing.
so good day....please play again.

[BlackJack&Coke]

so good day....please play again.

hey, dont use my material! :D

[droidguy1119]

I love pointless arguments!

[><nekabyte><]

hey, dont use my material!

sorry....my bad :P

I love pointless arguments!

yea...me too. but im pretty much done with it. he may be right....i may actually end up with 20,000 posts....but only because i keep running in circles with him. so im done. :D

[BlackJack&Coke]

I love pointless arguments!

hahaha ...

[elpresidente]

ok...i normally dont stoop to levels of insulting someone.....but are u stupid? i never disagreed with u on whether this movie was good or not. u said it urself....it had little to do with AvP. so therefore....I am vindicated. secondly....we were arguing over character development....not characterization. go back to school for literature....these are 2 different things.
as for u feeding off my opinion. u didnt do it to compliment me. u leeched off my review and then tried to make urself look like u had won some argument. well u won nothing.
so good day....please play again.


So characterization. the describing of a character is in no way related to character development, hmmmm...so that means when new information is revealed about a persons character....developments in the story...that character development has absolutely nothing to do with characterization.
By god, you're a genius..........the next Einstein.
You might want to stop reading 'how to write a movie script' manuals and taking story writing cues from fanfic boards....a basic understanding of the english language should be enough for anyone to understand that character development will ALWAYS effect characterization and therefor they are linked symbiotically.
And saying I am vindicated is not me winning anything.....again, I felt vindicated because whatever doubts I may have had remaining were blown away, when the guy I couldn't agree with about a matter that seemed so clear and straightforward to me, actually ended up saying the movie I had strong reservations about was garbage.....I felt reassured that I made the right decision because of our emphatic disagreements.....has nothing to do with winning in my universe, perhaps on venus everything is a zero-sum game, not on mars though!

[><nekabyte><]

as i have said...i am done with this. i am soooo wrong and u are so right. so there....it can be done and over with. im tired of my time being wasted with petty crap like this. so u can take ur vindication and shove it.
so look at it this way....u can step up from being elpresidente to elDIKtator. and i dont know about u....but im from Earth. whats really sad and pathetic is i think u look for arguments here.
got an idea for u....move out of ur parents basement....interact with women....and eventually....u might find one that likes u....and u can argue about REAL issues.
and by the way...u have it backwards. character development attributes to characterization.
so there u have it....u can have the final word...cause there will be no more from me. adios elDIKtator.

[elpresidente]

as i have said...i am done with this. i am soooo wrong and u are so right. so there....it can be done and over with. im tired of my time being wasted with petty crap like this. so u can take ur vindication and shove it.
so look at it this way....u can step up from being elpresidente to elDIKtator. and i dont know about u....but im from Earth. whats really sad and pathetic is i think u look for arguments here.
got an idea for u....move out of ur parents basement....interact with women....and eventually....u might find one that likes u....and u can argue about REAL issues.
and by the way...u have it backwards. character development attributes to characterization.
so there u have it....u can have the final word...cause there will be no more from me. adios elDIKtator.


If you were DONE, this post of yours wouldn't exist, but in light of your fixation on the issue of vindication it is clear you are a self-obsessed personality who believes everything is about them......for the Nth time...you...were...the last.....in a string of many many reviewers who contributed to my decision....what an ego you have!

As to my status.
I own property worth more than most people will earn in their entire lifetime, and have earned that legally, on my own..my own home....and have no problem getting laid, thank you very much...that is an amusing attack I would expect from a simpleminded person....."I don't agree with you and I am so much better than you that you must be a loser, unemployed, and unable to attract anyone..".......as I said you are an EGO-MANIAC.



Characterization can be as simple as describing a person who makes no further development to a story, such as a homeless guy who is part of a scene for but 5 seconds, before being discarded....and it can be developed through all sorts of adversity and conflict between characters.....it lends itself to character development and character development lends itself to characterization, they are symbiotic..as I said.

But since you are unable to let go of your obsession....OCD sound familiar?....I will expand this discussion as a separate thread so others can do some input.
I can just see you red faced, enraged, like a 2 year old who had his candy taken away...maybe a couple adults in this discussion will help pacify you.

[><nekabyte><]

lol anything else? i would think that a person so successful as u in life would surely have something better to do. :D

[elpresidente]

lol anything else? i would think that a person so successful as u in life would surely have something better to do. :D


Yep, as predicted..the ego maniac who says, "I'm done" can't let it go.....

I have browsed this board for the last 3 months and I believe that I have made about 40 posts over the last 4 weeks or so, this is called an interest....this site is here for people who like movies.....and although I will never be one with 20,000 posts, since I think that is a bit unhealthy a fixation, the fact that I can make time for an interest of mine is indicative of nothing negative......and incidently, if it were.....clever man that you are.....what would that make as far as your use of time? You currently are some 15 posts above me and not more than 2 weeks ago we were just about even around 20.....seems like your fixation is the greater........

You are the one who wanted to go off topic into a dick measuring contest pal, and as that goes, my shlong is bigger than your micro.....simple as that, happy? I am not wealthy presently...most of my recent earnings went into the house, now I am living on scraps while final preparations are underway for my next venture, hence the overdue library fines I have yet to pay, but by the end of september, I will have a new infusion of cash, that yet again will be more than most people make in a lifetime...that's high 7 figures, in case you don't know how much that is.........and that is not done in a 9-5 environment, since I am not a wage slave, I am free with my time to pick and choose when I will act, which is one of the benefits of being smart and successful.

[deymasc]

I enjoyed the movie for what it was....summer entertainment.
It had action, it two great movie characters going toe to toe, and it did it's job.
I didn't go in looking for subplots and all that other crap. I went in to see the Aliens fighting the Predators, and the movie delivered.
Why do you guys get so deep about these movies? It's like borderline obsession. You KNOW that once you hear a good book or comic is coming to the screen, that the studios are gonna ***K IT UP! There have only been a few movies that have escaped this fact, but nonetheless, Hollywood does know how to mess up things.
AvP was summer entertainment. Not Academy Awards material. Please don't take this so seriously. LOL

[Super Gurl]

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[Super Gurl]

:nono:

[elpresidente]

:nono:


Kumbaya !!!

[Sora Kahn]

I saw AVP last week. It was actually pretty good and yet disappointing. It wasn't as good as Alien, Aliens, and Predator but it was still good. My only major complaint with the movie is that I didn't like the fact that they toned down Predator. Basically what I'm saying is that I think they made Predator a little too weak. Alien was strong as usual but Predator just seemed to be getting beat up or thrown around most of time. I mean come on you know how many times the girl saved Predator. I was expecting Predator saving her most of the time. I don't know, I think the movie would've been better if Predator won at least one fight against Alien( like beating the Alien queen). But that's the main reason I'm not giving this movie such a high rating. Anderson seemed to be one sided when it came to these two fighting( I could tell in the his interviews, he seemed to mention and rave about Alien through majority of his interview but only talked about Predator in one sentence). All in all, Alien fans will be pleased with the portrayal of the Aliens while Predator fans will definitely be disappointed and little upset that their favorite monster was toned down so much he was no better than one of the humans on the expedition. I know I was disappointed( I'm a big Predator fan and I was a little upset that they made Predator so weak when he faced Alien). It was a good film but disappointing:

7/10

[><nekabyte><]

i can admit....this movie did have its good points, but not many. but as was posted earlier, this movie seemed far too partial to the Alien. dont get me wrong, i felt the alien was done extremely well and the portrayal was more than adequate. but the complete disregard to keeping the predator true to its roots was what really pissed me off. from making them look like pussies to the recreation of thier mouths. i mean not only did they make the predator weak, they even made thier metal weak. since when could an alien do a headbite through metal?
this movie could have basically written itself if Anderson would have payed attention to some detail. it was worth seeing atleast once in the theater, and i will probably go so far as to buy the DC DVD when it rolls onto the shelves, to add to the collection. but its not a movie i can stand to watch over and over again.

[><nekabyte><]

Yep, as predicted..the ego maniac who says, "I'm done" can't let it go.....

I have browsed this board for the last 3 months and I believe that I have made about 40 posts over the last 4 weeks or so, this is called an interest....this site is here for people who like movies.....and although I will never be one with 20,000 posts, since I think that is a bit unhealthy a fixation, the fact that I can make time for an interest of mine is indicative of nothing negative......and incidently, if it were.....clever man that you are.....what would that make as far as your use of time? You currently are some 15 posts above me and not more than 2 weeks ago we were just about even around 20.....seems like your fixation is the greater........

You are the one who wanted to go off topic into a dick measuring contest pal, and as that goes, my shlong is bigger than your micro.....simple as that, happy? I am not wealthy presently...most of my recent earnings went into the house, now I am living on scraps while final preparations are underway for my next venture, hence the overdue library fines I have yet to pay, but by the end of september, I will have a new infusion of cash, that yet again will be more than most people make in a lifetime...that's high 7 figures, in case you don't know how much that is.........and that is not done in a 9-5 environment, since I am not a wage slave, I am free with my time to pick and choose when I will act, which is one of the benefits of being smart and successful.

lol....and u call me the "ego-maniac". when i said i was done....it was in reference to arguing with u. now heres and example of my intelligence:

ur posts have proven to me that i dont have to type 70+ words to degrade u or make u look like an ass. u take care of that for me.

congratulations on ur large schlong and all ur success in life. i'll look for u on the cover of Forbes and Time.

[neo5595]

I really loved the movie. I give it a 8.5 out of 10. The only thing that bothered me was the old guy and his puffer. Overall it was a cool entertaining action movie.

[Brock Landers]

KVP Kerry VS Bush --Click here (http://members.sparedollar.com/STDist/Projectbvk.gif)

Man.....that is some weak photoshopping.

[><nekabyte><]

IMO, if i would have went into this movie not really caring about the alien or predator characters, i probably would have enjoyed this movie. more than likely i had my expectations too high, and was hoping this movie would have raised the bar a little for sci-fi/horror films.
this movie should have been something more appealing to the hardcore fans....not just another summer popcorn flick.

[cerealkiller182]

Paul Anderson should not be allowed to direct movies

[JG7_ME262]

I thought it was alright, I suppose.

But what could've made it better, ..is something like this:

After the last Predator finally removes his mask, he should've lit a joint and asked her if she wanted to ''hit this *****''. Then I might give the movie a slightly better than average rating.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[JG7_ME262]

Paul Anderson should not be allowed to direct movies

This may answer some questions for some of you .

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370263/board/flat/11022775

Hi, I'm back from the screening and Q&A and while I was able to ask some of the questions you guys posed, I couldn't get them all in. Regardless, many of the people who were also there had similar questions.

First of all, this screening was made up of industry professionals and filmmakers. No actors, but David Fincher, (Director of Alien 3) was there, which was cool. Now the audience were trying to be respectful in the beginning but as the film unfolded, the audience ended up really trashing the film. It was astounding to see Anderson's colleagues and friends openly making fun of his film, with him in the room!

When the Predator took off his helmet in front of Lex after the explosions someone shouted "Gimme some sugar, baby." I mean, this movie was bad, but I didn't expect these people to be so blatant about it.

When Anderson and the effects guys approached the tables, they were smirking with each other. The first subject that came up, no thanks to me, was the length and PG-13 rating.

So here it is, from the horses mouth.

About the studio's cutting of the film, which he had no control over, he said, and I quote, "All of the best scenes were cut." Anderson was obviously very annoyed at the way the film was released. However, this was not purely because of the PG-13 limitation, which incidentally, the studio enforced THREE WEEKS before the release date! It was always going to be R until then. Part of the reason for the cutting was that some of the effects were not ready by the time the release date came around. The effects team had very little time to do anything.

As far as the content that was cut, apparently we see all those who die, die on screen, but he also said that there is a sub-plot that we will have to wait for on DVD. Yes there will be an R-rated Director's cut DVD although they don't know the release date yet.

Without saying anything that could dig his own grave, Anderson tactfully pinned the fault of the poor quality of the film on the studio's cut. We all know that the script and performances was not quite up to par either, but then it was time for me to ask my first question.

"What specifically, makes you [Anderson] such a fan of the original 6 films?"

He went on to say that he thought they each had their own unique voice and were incredibly creative within a genre that often leads to purely formulaic films (ahem, mate, this is you!). He said that he was attempting to add his own unique voice to the series while paying hommage to the original source material. He also thought that the creatures, were the two greatest inventions in Science Fiction history. Someone then said, "Beyond lightsabers?" and he replied, "yes, even beyond lightsabers."

Some other effects questions were asked, which had some cool insights. The explosion sequence encompassed for half the budget, which was only 65mil in the first place (for a film like this, this is nothing), and all the shifting of the walls, yes ALL OF IT, was completely CGI. There were no moving live sets. Having watched it again, I have to say, I couldn't tell, and all my friends know that if there's some CG in a film, I'll see it. That impressed me. Also, they changed the appearance of the Queen slightly, adding a ridge to her crown and taking away, what they call, the "high heals" that she wore (the second reverse knee). Also, 80% of all the shots with an Alien in it was the hydraulic Alien they built.

Anyway, effects aside, I asked another question.

"I know that the AVP project has been surrounded by controversy since the first attempt in the early nineties. Why did you choose to not use any of the pre-existing stories, the original comic series, the Peter Briggs script, etc?"

He told me that he wanted to make the film his own. He also proclaimed that he'd had the idea for this film ever since seeing Predator 2. I thought that was probably ego-driven BS, but regardless, it's what he said. He also said that the Peter Briggs script is completely off-limits, shelved indefinately by Dark Horse and they won't let anyone tough it. Sounds to me like he tried, heh heh.

Later I asked some technical nerd questions. I wasn't the only one. I started by stating that I noticed some glaring continuity errors between this film and the pre-established occurences in the previous 6 films. Anderson stopped me before I could continue and said due to the "mangling" of the film, there was a lot left out. I asked, "Does that include the acceleration of the alien life cycle or was that just conveniant."

Whoops, I had hit a nerve. He shook his head. "No, no, the machine that the Predators built to house the Queen pumps her full of hormones that accelerate the birth of the creatures. If we'd seen the REAL film, we'd know that." Ouch.

The answer to why Aliens attacked the incubated predator was that the alien inside the Predator was not sanctified by the Aliens because it was essentially a different species due to the DNA reflex the Alien's possess. Okay, I guess I could go with that.

The Q&A wrapped up with talks about the digital intermediate and the difference between working with Super35 and Anamorphic.

I tried asking a last question but they ended it before I could. I pretty much hogged the Q&A as it was.

Afterwards I went and shook Anderson's hand. He remembered me from a mutual acquaintances birthday party. I told him I couldn;t wait for the Director's Cut and was really nice. I asked about a sequal and he said he'd thought about it but nothing concrete was in motion. They were waiting to see about the returns. I told him I had what he neede and I would send him my treatment through CAA. I assured him it was a direct sequal and he said, "Good." I then said, so they're letting you have a Director's cut, huh? He said, "yeah, it'll be great." Then I said, can I give you some advice from the youngest generation of filmmakers, namely, me." He said, "Sure, go for it." I said, "The facehuggers are fast, damn fast, get rid of the matrix shot when they jump out of the eggs for the first time." He said he'd take that into consideration. Then I started talking about the reviews. I talked about IMDB and how much of a "Lover Versus Haters" war had erupted. He seemed amused by that and then said, to my surprise, well, as a filmmaker, I'm satisfied with the film, but as a fan of the originals, this cut really pisses me off, so it makes sense I guess." he said he'd check it out (the IMDB boards) but I can't gaurantee that will happen. Just know that, if in a week or two someone comes on claiming to be Anderson, it might well be him.

All in all I was really happy about what he had to say. It was great to hear a filmmaker so honest about his work and he knows that he has a long way to go before he is any good as a filmmaker. Having talked to him before, I know that the films he is making now are films that, he feels, will only get him to a place where he can really excel.

Oh well, there it is, hope that shed some light on some stuff. Oh, and apparently, the book they wrote is based on the original R-rated cut, so that'll tell you what is missing.

[PsYkOoOoO]

This movie was horrible.Paul Anderson is a shame to the industry.

2/10.

I wouldve given it 5/10,but the fact that it messed up the franchise i gave it 1/10.But since Alien Queen was so cool in this one i added one point.

[Hitman]

Trash. 3/10