Doom3

[diasyjazz]

Goes gold...after eons in production....

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/doom-3/530239p1.html

[emmortalthug]

yea its bout time dang it just think 3 half weeks we can finaly get DOOM 3 YAY,, well maybe not me, im not spending a ton of money to upgrade my computer just to run doom 3 or some other game when i can spend that money on like 4-5 other Xbox-Playstation 2 Games. im waiting for Doom 3 on Xbox cause then i can have Co-op 2 player hahahah something the PC version doesnt have check it at WWW.IGN.COM

HOPE all the PC DOOM 3 players have FUN

[Andrey83]

true. but the graphics on the X-box version suck.....

But then, that is better then not being able to run it smooth at all :)

[xizor]

I'm glad I upgraded my pc when I did, its not "next gen" but its good enough. 2.4C (can overclock to over 3ghz), 800mhz HT, 512 MB PC3200, radeon 9600 pro, 80m/60s gig hd , 52x32x52x16 cd-dvd, soundblaster live 5.1 (cheap) for 700 w00t. I'm glad Doom3 has gone gold, it has forced valve into finally releasing info and getting a release date for competition, a great game for summer and then a greater game (due to multiplayer aspect) for fall. With the CS:S (Counter-Strike: Source) beta testing beginning, hl2 is only a few months away. GOing to be an outstanding 4-5 months for FPS shooters. Can't wait.

[Andrey83]

I though CS:S was going to be shipped with HL2... At least thats what i read in an article....

Maybe they decided not to do that then :(

[emmortalthug]

i dont care bout the graphics,i just want to play the game.i never liked the doom series or quake series but since they said its a survival horror, well im gonna play it,

[Pickinfeet]

ive been waiting for this for entirely too long....i cant wait to see how it turns out......YEAAH!

[xizor]

Off topic a bit to answer his question, CS:S will ship officially when HL2 ships, but currently valve is holding beta testing of cs:s to all cz owners, who bought the game through steam, and cyber cafes.

[Andrey83]

Official site is updated with "ships august 3rd"

http://www.doom3.com/

:D

[The_PBCer]

man, i wish halo was for ps2.

[cinnacon]

ps2 couldn't run halo :D

anyone know when doom 3 comes out for xbox? i know it's august 3rd for pc but i got a crap comp so ima have to get it for xbox, i saw somewhere it's october 4th but im not sure

[Andrey83]

4th october in the US. UK havent got a release date yet.

[Fanible]

Again, according to Todd at id, there is no release date planned for the Xbox version yet. Like the PC version, it'll be done when it's done. They're just currently expecting and hoping to release it in the fall, as oppose to Christmas time. Although releasing it around October 4th would be a nice date if they could manage.

I already have my Doom 3 copy pre-ordered, as well as a GeForce 6800. Can't wait. Both sould arrive around the same time.

[Andrey83]

We'll see on the 4th october ;)

This is the release date afaik.

But if i'm wrong then i'll stand corrected (probably wont be wrong though) ;)

[Fanible]

In the fact, the matter of things comes down to not only do they not have a released date yet, but Todd has said in very recent interviews that they're not even sure if they'll make the 2004 holidays yet. Everythings up in the air atm, because they still have a couple big chunks left to finish on the game, and it'll all just depend on when they can finish it. It wouldn't make sense why'd they make that date. It'd honestly just be coincidence if they DID manage to release it around that day. Because if they manage to finish it before then (yeah right), then they'd release it earlier. If they finish it after that date, then they'll release it later.

They have to have a game finished and ready to go to make a date like that. And as id has the rights to release their games whenever they feel like, you usually don't know until the last month or last couple weeks before they set a date.

It's not like Electronics Arts where they make a company set a date earlier on and then they have to abide by it no matter what. A game gets done when it's done, otherwise you have an unfinished product. It's even more strict for console games due to the fact that it has to be mistake free, because they can't just release it and then fix the problems they didn't solve later with patches.

[Andrey83]

You may be right. And that is a very good policy by the way. Just as the developers of Rome:Total war and STALKER have been saying all the time. Its done when its done :)

Yeah, you might be right.

[Fanible]

Honestly that's one advantage of console games. More publishers are lenient on the amount of time to create the game, due to the fact that it DOES have to be bug free. Often some publishers and producers from PC games set a date early on and make the company actually building it release it at that date, even if it's unfinished, because they can just patch it later.

In a sense though, people shouldn't complain then. I see an early release of a PC game as a beta version. Mainly because they WILL patch it later on.

But yeah, console games have an advantage in that aspect. When a console game has many bugs, it's kinda sad. There are a rare few.

[emmortalthug]

i see release dates for Doom 3 on Xbox for October 3rd-5th BUT
i go to like Xbox.com and some other xbox sites they dont even have Doom 3 in there menu's for release dates or anything bout them, so i think Doom 3 will be released 1st part of 2005 for Xbox, i dont see it being a October release way way too many other good games are being released that week

Bloodrayne 2 (Very Very cool trailer)
Mortal Kombat Mystification (looks awesome)
Brothers in Arms (Looks good)
100 Bullets (looks good)
Area 51 (Looks pretty good from Trailer)
Second Sight (Havent seen hardly anything on this game)
Leisure suit Larry (Not great but should be kinda cool)

[Andrey83]

I doubt ID care about other games being released the same week as doom. Its one of the most hyped games this year. It is OTHER games that should worry about releasing their game at the same week as doom ;)

[Andrey83]

By the way. The doom3 theme song is up for listen at actiontrip.com.

Direct link here:

http://www.actiontrip.com/link.phtml?http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=2058541&Mytoken=20040718162555

[Fanible]

At a latest interview with Activision and their fund reports, they said that they're currently planning a December release date for the Xbox version, but that it's up to id when to finally release it.

[Andrey83]

Latest interview with ID software (today on ign.com):

They are saying (as Fanible already have indicated) that the x-box version is more stable. Its coming along fast but they said also "its done when its done" (again as you fanible said) :D

Guess you where right all along, hehe. I stand corrected :)

[Xander]

God I wish this game were on PS2, my PC won't play ****.

[Hitman]

Sounds like you need an XBOX my friend.

[Fanible]

The Xbox version will run it fine. If you don't have the extra few hundred dollars to upgrade, just wait for the Xbox version.

I'm too impatiant though, and I prefer the mouse/keyboard combo. Thusly I've just recently finished spending 600 dollars to upgrade my PC. :D

[Bowl Of Fat]

yeah me too. New graphics card, ram, etc. I can't wait!

[Andrey83]

And i prefer the super graphics on a new computer too :)

[mr_movies2000]

I bought an XBox so I could play this. :D No way this is going to run on my PC.

[Xander]

Goddamn! why can't they release this game for PS2? :(

[xizor]

To bad with all the upgrading you still couldn't run Doom3 at its highest setting... unless you had about 2gb of ram but even at that, you aren't gonna run it for very long.

[emmortalthug]

i can easily run this on my computer but im not going to i want the xbox version so i get the Co-op play haha somthing the pc version doesnt have,

ill buy this game when it comes out in October 4th release, im not excited bout it
id rather BC then doom 3 but Bc doesnt come out till mid 2005 so got to settle for this

[Andrey83]

Goddamn! why can't they release this game for PS2? :(

Simple. The ps2 cant run it.

[xizor]

Are you sure your pc can easily run this? I mean, of course it can probably run it but easily, not sure. Unless you have a pc with over 3ghz, 512mb ram, and 256mb vid card, you aren;t easily running it, you are running it on medium quality. You have low quality, medium, high, and ultra. Nothing right now can run Ultra, NOTHING. Which sucks but until 512mb vid cards are release the highest you are getting is high settings.

[roboxeno]

i hope my pc can i jest upgreaded the Graphic card from a geforce mx to geforce FX5900 so i should be good

[halo7]

no way my pc will play this nor do i have an Xbox so ill have to wallow in sorrow

[xizor]

Well wallow in sorrow while taking a glimpse at our favorite hell knight!

http://www.planetdoom.com/images/screenshots/official/43l.jpg

http://www.planetdoom.com/images/screenshots/official/44l.jpg

http://www.planetdoom.com/images/screenshots/official/24l.jpg

http://www.planetdoom.com/images/screenshots/official/16l.jpg

[whosaidwhatnow?]

Holy crap

[halo7]

holy crap indeed!

[emmortalthug]

Little Zombie dude look behind you,its your daddy and he's mad at you for eatting all the brains, Arghghghg i cant watch (><)

[Fanible]

After the recent benchmarks it should run well even on the lowest end computers. The only way it'd run bad is if you tried to max the graphics beyond your cababilities. It's been tested on 64 and 128mb graphics cards and as low as 512 sdram and it has run smoothly.

If you have atleast 512ddr, 2.0ghz, and a 128mb graphic card (last generation) you should be able to run it at superb graphics as well as have it run smooth. This has been proven. The graphic difference even between Medium, High, and Ultra isn't even that great.

The only difference between current "high end" computers and running it at it's max is that to run it's Ultra graphics completly smooth they are saying you'd need a 512mb graphics card, which havn't even been made yet. This is an advantage for their sales marketing as the graphics will continue to get better as the better technology keeps coming out.

I have 2.8ghz P4, 512mb ram (gonna upgrade to 1gig soon), and a GeForce 6800 GT graphics card. I've tried it on medium, high and ultra settings and I can't terribly notice a difference. I run it on high by default. If I run it on ultra, it will start getting choppy.

[xizor]

I don't really believe you ran it on Ultra and only got choppy a few sometimes. Nothing is compressed in Ultra settings. You are getting everything as is, your current video card cannot handle that, especially with only 512mb ram. SO I can't really believe you on that statement. I mean you CAN run Ultra Setting but you after awhile with the constant freeze up of so much memory load you would have to set the settings lower. I think you will notice a difference as the game continues, towards the end is when you should start to see an impact on your FPS. Visual wise you may not notice a huge difference but 20FPS to 49FPS is actually a big difference and after awhile you will start to notice.

[Fanible]

It's not like I was playing it for a long period of time. As soon as it got a bit choppy I went back to high. No duh, of course I can't run it at Ultra. All I did was switch between the graphic levels to see the difference between each one.

It came out yesterday at my local EB, as it has already with many other people too. Dude I'm sitting here with it on my computer, I'm just telling you what I've done and SEEN with my own eyes. Don't give me lip, you noob. :nono:

[xizor]

I'm not giving you lip. I'm just giving you facts. Don't tell me what to do with my opinion. Noob? Way to go with the insult. Got to to love people who can't respond respectively to someones reply. Explain to me what that has to do with anything I said, good job. I'm not going against what you said. I read it as you running it on Ultra with your current specs. My bad. All I'm saying is the difference will be when FPS drop compared to what what FPS would drop on a high end card, thats all. I was really agreein with what you said.. "Noob"

[game354]

cant we all just chill and go buy doom 3 right now and settle your differences online oooooo im so going 2 right now

[xizor]

I just placed my order right now, will be here tomorrow.

[EvilDeadNDN]

just got done kickin zombie and demon ass.

this game was worth the hype and wait.

6 hours straight and Im still craving it. one of the best FPS Ive played in awhile.

[ruban]

Ditto^

Did you hear that devil "laugh" yet?....creepy stuff.
The lighting, the sounds...top notch stuff.

[EvilDeadNDN]

yeah and the random woman voice saying stuff...

has some weird stuff.

[xizor]

eh, from what I have read in reviews, sounds are subpar, could have been a lot better, the gameplay gets rather repetive and can easily become dull and theres no real movements with the bullets hitting enemies. BUT who knows, I just can't wait to play it for myself.

[EvilDeadNDN]

the bullet effects hitting the background arent really THAT amazing, but the enemies show "gore wounds" on whichever body part you hit em on. the BFG coulda been better, thats my only REAL compaint.

gameplay is just like any other FPS, they all get repetive lol. but the constant bombardment of baddies makes the mayhem fun.

as does the ambient noises, grunts, and weird voices.

[whosaidwhatnow?]

Im going to have to wait for the xbox version, will there be much difference? I hope not

[emmortalthug]

Oh yea there is a MAJOR difference,,... YOU WILL SAVE A TON OF MONEY, by not upgraden your PC, all that money people spend on upgraden there computers to play what 2 games then have to upgrade again when another HIGH tech game comes out, that money you could spend on 4-6 other games,clothes,shoes,food,gas for your car, (Ok im gonna stop im sounding like my girlfriend) lol

anyways yea im waiting for Xbox Version you get Co-op play,and Graphics are just as good if not even if what the Pc version has to offer,plus i have seen lot of posts where people are haven a hard time running Doom 3 on there computers saying the screen turns white,the game crash's,game freeze,s ect. and these are people that say they have 2.7 Gig with all the new driver upgrade's
, and they say its choppy,like the lag you get when you play online

[poashaggy69]

yea some kid is burning this game for me i think.

[EvilDeadNDN]

anyways yea im waiting for Xbox Version you get Co-op play,and Graphics are just as good if not even if what the Pc version has to offer,plus i have seen lot of posts where people are haven a hard time running Doom 3 on there computers saying the screen turns white,the game crash's,game freeze,s ect. and these are people that say they have 2.7 Gig with all the new driver upgrade's
, and they say its choppy,like the lag you get when you play online


never had any of these probs, and we have a decked out comp, and it doesnt even have the graphics card (the new one built just for doom 3) and it plays perfect. no lock ups or freezing.

[ruban]

and Graphics are just as good if not even if what the Pc version has to offer,plus i have seen lot of posts where people are haven a hard time running Doom 3 on there computers saying the screen turns white,the game crash's,game freeze,s ect. and these are people that say they have 2.7 Gig with all the new driver upgrade's
, and they say its choppy,like the lag you get when you play online


I have it, my friends have it, people at my work have it. We played many hours yesterday and have not come across any of these. We all have sub
2 Gig machines as well as older graphics card.

Go ahead and get the Xbox version, but there ARE HUGE differences.


Xbox...

http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/article/514/514245/doom-3-20040512034750513.jpg




PC

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/532/532505/doom-3-20040722105619097.jpg

[EvilDeadNDN]

exactly.

[Tony Montana]

Great game, fantastic graphics, creepy and great ideas overall!!

[roboxeno]

DUDE THAT LOOKS SWEET! ima going to get my copy of this game later on today

[whosaidwhatnow?]

:( Damn the Xbox version doesnt look as nice. Oh well, better than nothing.

[emmortalthug]

i didnt say all computers are haven problems just the posts i saw, on Ign .

im happy your computer is running it good,im glad your having a good time,thats awesome,along with all the other people (IM GLAD your all haven fun....

yea the Xbox version does look little wierd, hmm oh well I'll be happy nevertheless,LOT better then what Graphics use to be,, It'll still be one of the best FPS on the Xbox,Awesome graphics or no Awesome graphics,whatever makes people happy,and right now im a happy guy,i have it Preordered for an October 5th Release,At least thats what Gamestop told me and some of the other Dates ive seen, and i have a preorder for Fable,which will be another good game,, Whoohooo Cool games this year,

[Mixairian]

Requirements: 512 MB RAM, 8X CD-ROM, 64 MB VRAM, 2.15 GB disk space, 1.4ghz, Pentium 4

Wow. This game sure is gonna look pretty. I just hope the game is worth it.

[Mr. Frodo]

i will admit Doom 3 looks good but.... im waiting for Half-Life 2 i loved the first one, and i think HL2 will be better, thats just my opion though.

[Malitos_Sahkir]

8.5 from Gamespot. Kind of below what I was expecting, I thought it would atleast break a nine.

Extremely impressive from a technical standpoint yet behind the times from a first-person-shooter design standpoint: This is the dichotomy that is Doom 3, the long-awaited sequel from well-known Texas-based developer id Software.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/doom3/review.html

[Mixairian]

i will admit Doom 3 looks good but.... im waiting for Half-Life 2 i loved the first one, and i think HL2 will be better, thats just my opion though.
Personally speaking, the only reason I enjoyed Half Life 1 was to ditch it and play Counter Strike. ^_^
8.5 from Gamespot. Kind of below what I was expecting, I thought it would atleast break a nine.

Extremely impressive from a technical standpoint yet behind the times from a first-person-shooter design standpoint: This is the dichotomy that is Doom 3, the long-awaited sequel from well-known Texas-based developer id Software.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/doom3/review.html
I guess that answered my question. :frown:

[Malitos_Sahkir]

Yeah, graphics aren't everything.

[ruban]

Agreed, and thats what makes Doom....well Doom
It doesn't have much story, its is just a fun, balls to the wall game.
Its basically a tech demo rather than a Half-Life wanna-be (Doom3 does take a few pages from Hlaf-Life).

So graphics/sound is all that this game has for it and that is fine with me.

[Mr. Frodo]

Personally speaking, the only reason I enjoyed Half Life 1 was to ditch it and play Counter Strike. ^_^



yeah Counter Strike was very fun, can't wait for the "new" version when HL2 comes out. I just got Far Cry and it is very cool!

[xizor]

I can't help but think of HL the during the whole beginning of Doom3... I mean... its like exactly how HL started...

[Mixairian]

So. Folks who have the game now. What do you think?

[xizor]

It truly draws you into the game and keeps you hooked, the graphics are nice, it runs great. The AI is not top notch, not at all. There is plenty of games where the AI is beyond DOOM3. The fact that almost every sequence is scripted creats no replay value at all. For your money, you get a basic singleplayer game that does create atmospher but leaves you hanging when it comes to continuation. I fear that it will become a dusk collector.

[Drizzt240]

If I were you guys I wouldn't just go to gamespot and IGN. I would go to www.gamestats.com

It takes the scores of various sources (including Gamespot and IGN) and averages them out.

Here's Doom 3.

http://www.gamestats.com/objects/014/014934/?ui=gamefinder

9.2 not too shabby

[Andrey83]

Game is very creepy!

And that is probably too the excelent sounds. Run this on a 5.1 surround and you will jump out of your chair many times if you play in the dark (at least i did) :)

But, any good tips on how to beat that big fellow (the guardian) that have 3 "angel things" flying over him. I know i have to take those down and then shoot him, but i have been going on and on and on. He simply wont die, hehe.

Good tips anyone?

[Fanible]

The game basicly is just Doom with a make over. It's fun for the effects, sound and the new look at how FPS are coming along. For the long wait I'm not sure I entirely agree that it lives up to the hype. The visuals and shadow system are good, but that's about it.

I'm still playing it though and having a pretty good time. It can get pretty freaky at times if you lose yourself into it. But no doubt Half-Life 2 will beat it in gameplay and story.

[xizor]

Well Fanible thats where me and you agree! w00t. The game does have something going for it, it keeps you hooked. Though, after the game is complete the question that remains. Whats next? Whats left? Multiplayer. Play the multiplayer, while it is fun, you get bored of it very quickly, the unbalanced guns, the poor netcode, and the fact that most the time it becomes really laggy kind of kills the excitement. Its the scripted sequences that really does it in for me. No replay value and that is a disappointment, too bad if only ID would have stepped into the 21st and realized that poor AI and scripted sequences can be just as crucial as graphics, maybe DOOM3 would have stomped all over any currently released game.

[EvilDeadNDN]

Game is very creepy!

And that is probably too the excelent sounds. Run this on a 5.1 surround and you will jump out of your chair many times if you play in the dark (at least i did) :)

But, any good tips on how to beat that big fellow (the guardian) that have 3 "angel things" flying over him. I know i have to take those down and then shoot him, but i have been going on and on and on. He simply wont die, hehe.

Good tips anyone?


when you shoot em and they all disapear, wait for the portal that spawns to release em and lay on it with a BFG or other gun. thats the weakness. blast that little portal and youll be good to go.

[xizor]

I remember sitting on a portal by mistake and some how I got launched into the air, bunch of trites around and a maggot, the way I got launched I landed perfectly to get swarmed by the trites, and get back attack by the maggot... anyways I managed to get out of there with 8 hp, rest of that level I had to use pistol cause I had no other ammo with 8 hp, amazing how far you can survive just by getting pissed that you have nothing and 3 imps are chasing you!

[Andrey83]

I agree with Fanible that the game doesnt live up to the hype. (though it basicly lived up to my hype. because i never thought it would be anything more then a pretty game that was kinda creepy).

But yeah, they sure havent focused anything at all on AI and even if doom always has been a solo-rambo-one man army game, it could have been fun to sometimes fight alongside a squad of Marines. Thats what he was trained for....... And the game gets VERY repetive. Cross a corner, enemy jumps out. Run past a wall, a door opens up behind you and an enemy jumps you.

Infact after a while you almost know where everyone will come from. Its fun. But only once. I doubt i will play the game a second time. With a huge pile of scripted enemy behavior it has close to none replay value.

I say bring on Half life 2. While not as good grapics as doom3, the gameplay seems to be 10 times better. And for those who have played the beta (i have), i can tell you that its not only doom3 that is creepy. Sometimes durring the beta play i jumped 3 feet in the air :) Also, for my taste, the graphics in HL2 is good enough.

[Fanible]

Agreed. No doubt it was a good experience trying out the next generation of graphics for games, but the game has no replay value due to the very linear battles resulting in a very repetative and predictable game. Add in the fact that it has multiplayer not really worth playing.

The one thing you can look forward to though is the full mods that no doubt are currently being worked on. I've tried some simple mods in the game so far, like the ductape mod that lets you have a small flashlight on your rifle and shotgun (logically speaking, a lot of Doom 3 doesn't have logic, so I didn't mind adding that mod).

One thing that bothered me the most for a game being worked on for five years, is the fact that there is no landscape reaction and visuals for your gun. You shoot a wall, screen or window and a cloud of small black smoke appears and fades out quickly. I would of liked to have more environmental effects which seem to be absent, unless I've somehow missed something in my graphics setting that enables something like that.

[Andrey83]

Yeah, i missed alot in the graphics settings. Take a look at Far Crys graphic options, you can change nearly everything you want. In doom3 you cant do much.....

Also what bothered me is that the monsters havent got hit-impact. Meaning when you hit them with bullets and stuff they would be thrown back abit and then continue chasing you. Instead they keep coming no matter how powerfull gun you shoot at them.

Fire rocket, they dont even move a finger.

HALE THE HL2 PHYSICS SYSTEM! :D

[xizor]

Eh, yeah they decided to go with a very basic physic system, which with what is shown now in games, really hurt them. Physics has been a hard thing for game developers to get right, either something just doesn't look right, or has completely the opposite reaction to what would really happen or its just so basic we expect everything to be interactive and its not. Heres hoping HL breaks the trend, seeing how they are using a heavily modified Havoks Engine, catered specifically for Source.

[Andrey83]

But whith doom3 budget and development team they should have managed to get some good physics......Disappointing.

[game354]

Hey for all you people that didnt get Doom 3 yet a demo is to be released in the next couple of days

Source:http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/12/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

[Mixairian]

I recently tested the game out on a friend's computer.

All I will say is this: complete let down.

As for some positive notes, it is rather pretty(though not as pretty as I expected).

[whosaidwhatnow?]

Hey for all you people that didnt get Doom 3 yet a demo is to be released in the next couple of days

Source:http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/12/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

Too bad i cant run it :( I got 612mb RAM, intel 2ghz but a very old graphics card :(

[Andrey83]

I recently tested the game out on a friend's computer.

All I will say is this: complete let down.

As for some positive notes, it is rather pretty(though not as pretty as I expected).

that would depend on your graphics card. At my place its not "rather pretty", its god damn good lookin'. Gameplay gets repetive and borring though.

[whosaidwhatnow?]

Too bad i cant run it :( I got 612mb RAM, intel 2ghz but a very old graphics card :(

If i upgraded the graphics card would this computer run doom 3?
Oh its 640mb RAM, just checked.

[Fanible]

How old is your old graphics card. Cards as low as the Geforce 4 series can run it really good.

[Andrey83]

really good would be an overstatement :) But it runs ok on G4. At least as long as you are not running the MX series. Older then that you can practicly give up.

[Mixairian]

that would depend on your graphics card. At my place its not "rather pretty", its god damn good lookin'. Gameplay gets repetive and borring though.
I know the card ran at, at least 128mb. Maybe because it was more dark than graphics but I was expecting something the more. The simple way creatures die, their bodies exploding after a few rounds. The fact the bodies turn into nothingness(even though their should be blood and guts remaining, not just a puddle.) The game was overly hyped.

The only good thing that was done was minor additions to the storyline. But in the end, the game was nothing more than an annoying puzzle that involved blowing things up. It was a simple FPS. Nothing fancy, no quirks; it only sold based on the Hype of its predecessor and the intense engine needed to run it.

It they spent a tenth of the time on game innovations as they did for graphics; this game could've been impressive... Mind you needing a flashlight every step of the way is not an innovation.

The only way I would buy this game would be if it was used, under 10$ and I felt the need to practice more in skeet shooting.

[Andrey83]

the ram doesnt tell much about the graphics card. In fact almost close to nothing. A 256 card can run on less then half the performance then a 128 mb card. THere is more to graphics card then ram.

Most customers dont know this, and the producers exploit that, because ram is the cheapest thing on the whole card. Just throw in some more, and people will buy it. Even though it sucks. Ex: Geforce Fx 5600 with 256 ram. One of the slowest card released at the time it was......

[impulse]

Is anybody here satisfied with the online gameplay?
I found it to be dissapointing...

[Andrey83]

Does it sound like anyone is satisfied? ;)

Anyway, id said long before they released it that they wont have anything special in the multiplayer. THey wouldnt focus anything on that.

What you can do (that makes it a bit more fun) is to download the mod that enables you to play on servers with more then 4 players. Max then is 32 players. Thats better.

But they did release some modding tools, so expect some sleek cool lookin' mods to be released for doom 3 in a couple of months.

[impulse]

cool I'll look into it... cuz I only bought if for the multi player part... I hope they have a freeze tag mod...

[Mixairian]

The only strength this game will have is the ability to be modded to hell.

[whosaidwhatnow?]

really good would be an overstatement :) But it runs ok on G4. At least as long as you are not running the MX series. Older then that you can practicly give up.
Oh theres the problem :(

[stonefaced_1]

I played through it and thought it was...ok. It gets hard as hell but it kept me entertained. It is a let down though. As long as it was in production, it should have been better.