The War of Heaven and Hell?

[donstorm12]

should a movie be made based on a war between heaven and hell. I think it would be pretty nutz

[ambrosia]

It would be nuts.

[Kable24]

There was a movie made already. It was called....SPAWN!!! ha ha

[dustindame]

I dont think its that nuts.

[Tony Montana]

"The Prophecy" was kind of that.

[Fanible]

There have been hundreds of movies of war between heaven and hell. Most of which have the hellions fighting outright, while heaven fights in mysterious ways.

If you mean like angels and deamons, a story taking place on the plains of another realm, soley only focusing on them, I guess it could be a good idea. Perhaps a story of the fall of Lucifer and his rebellion against God would be cool. It'd be hard to translate though and come off as acceptable in a time where Christians condemn anything Christian related. :rolleyes:

[Kable24]

Originally posted by Fanible
It'd be hard to translate though and come off as acceptable in a time where Christians condemn anything Christian related. :rolleyes:


I do?? I didn't know I condemn everything. Thanks for telling me this you heathen :)

[Fanible]

um...ha

[Tony Montana]

They condemn it because they want it to stay as it is... and keep making cash out of peoples fears...

[Fanible]

Meh, I dunno about that. Most "christians" overlook things and usually point out and look for all the bad in everything, and never the good. Usually they jump the gun and don't come down to earth a little bit. Kinda like Dogma or the Harry Potter series.

[Movie mogul]

A movie with Angels VS Demons. That would be so awesome. Think 'Dogma' meets 'Hellboy' kinda movie.

[rosncranz]

no, they should do it with characters that are human, and just make it a sort of satire, like have it take place on wall street or something, and have it be the exact same plot, have lucifer and the demons wearing black clothing, and god and angels wear white and stuff, thats the only way i would be excited about it.

[beyond_th3]

I have been wishing for a movie like this to come out. and not LOTR-type since evryone seems to be doing that now, I mean a full out war between lucifer and his followers and the stars of God. of course God would have to be a symbol of something like a white sun in the kingdom of heaven atop the highest throne. It should start with the origin of lucifer before his hatred for humans consumed him as he sat closest to God. It should also show how he fell and what happens after the coming of jesus - then after that creativity to the writer who pens the great battle of armegeddon - the last war of the world before His wrath is felt and all perish.

[The_Movie_Man]

Originally posted by Fanible
Meh, I dunno about that. Most "christians" overlook things and usually point out and look for all the bad in everything, and never the good. Usually they jump the gun and don't come down to earth a little bit. Kinda like Dogma or the Harry Potter series.

No offense but that is very stereo-typical. Only one out of ten "Christians" are actually like that. I'm Christian and I love Harry Potter.

[cerealkiller182]

Im Christian and i love Dogma

[Antony]

I would love to see a movie like this. Angels with huge wings and golden armor. Demons on fire fighting these angels. Angels with flaming swords and bow and arrows. It would be amazing. I want this movie. And I want to make it. I thought of this same thing a while back and it was one of the things that inspired me to want to go to a film school. Well, film school is underway, and if you see something in about 5 to 10 years from now about this movie being made, you'll know where it's coming from.

[Fanible]

Originally posted by The_Movie_Man
No offense but that is very stereo-typical. Only one out of ten "Christians" are actually like that. I'm Christian and I love Harry Potter.

Dude, I'm a christian. What I said was true. I wasn't saying every Christian is that way, but it's the general as a whole. I swear everyone takes things so personal. I'm a Christian and I can say this straight forward, cause frankly it's true. Supposedly near 2.5 billion people in the world claim to be Christian. Majority, and well beyond half are probably not really Christian. Hence I said most "christians". Do you know what quotation marks imply? Not to mention I never said 'all' anyway.

Put simply, films like Dogma or Harry Potter are matter of factly looked down on and condemned by Christians. When I say this, I'm meaning majority. Whenever you refer to any group as a whole like that you're not saying technicly EVERYONE does. It would be like saying middle aged women are the rudest customers at any retail business. Well of course not all middle aged women are that way. :rolleyes:

So yeah, it is stereotypical typically, but the whole world is made up of stereotypes. It's how we define one another.

PS
Don't give out something like 1 out of 10 crap. You can't make that kind of polled statement out of billions of people.

Oh, and I like Dogma and Harry Potter as well. Although Harry Potter ain't the grandest peice of writing that everyone boasts it to be.

[donstorm12]

whoa im suprised i posted a good idea. YAY!! for me

[dustindame]

Originally posted by Fanible
Dude, I'm a christian. What I said was true. I wasn't saying every Christian is that way, but it's the general as a whole. I swear everyone takes things so personal. I'm a Christian and I can say this straight forward, cause frankly it's true. Supposedly near 2.5 billion people in the world claim to be Christian. Majority, and well beyond half are probably not really Christian. Hence I said most "christians". Do you know what quotation marks imply? Not to mention I never said 'all' anyway.

Put simply, films like Dogma or Harry Potter are matter of factly looked down on and condemned by Christians. When I say this, I'm meaning majority. Whenever you refer to any group as a whole like that you're not saying technicly EVERYONE does. It would be like saying middle aged women are the rudest customers at any retail business. Well of course not all middle aged women are that way. :rolleyes:

So yeah, it is stereotypical typically, but the whole world is made up of stereotypes. It's how we define one another.

PS
Don't give out something like 1 out of 10 crap. You can't make that kind of polled statement out of billions of people.

Oh, and I like Dogma and Harry Potter as well. Although Harry Potter ain't the grandest peice of writing that everyone boasts it to be.

:applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

[Antony]

Originally posted by donstorm12
whoa im suprised i posted a good idea. YAY!! for me

Well the fact is, it's just a good idea. Plain and simple. It's an idea with a background as old as time, and it would make a kickass movie. It would be hard as hell to get it produced though. Conservative pussies abound in hollywood.

[beyond_th3]

Originally posted by Antony
I would love to see a movie like this. Angels with huge wings and golden armor. Demons on fire fighting these angels. Angels with flaming swords and bow and arrows. It would be amazing. I want this movie. And I want to make it. I thought of this same thing a while back and it was one of the things that inspired me to want to go to a film school. Well, film school is underway, and if you see something in about 5 to 10 years from now about this movie being made, you'll know where it's coming from.


Funny I was/am thinking the same thing! Actually I am in film school now - graduates june 2005 - then headed for UCLA :D

[Antony]

Originally posted by beyond_th3
Funny I was/am thinking the same thing! Actually I am in film school now - graduates june 2005 - then headed for UCLA :D

Damn you and your earlier graduation date! :)

[beyond_th3]

:D:D:D


Actually I have been thinking of a story of that subject since I was 16(I will be 21 in a few months)That is the sole purpose of me going to film school so I could see this movie made by myself - I really do not think anyone has the balls to make such a movie - but I get different ideas everyday and my book has so many thoughts down. One day I will sit and begin my screenplay.

[IdahoMR2man]

Just wait for Preacher.

[Antony]

I don't think that Preacher is exactly what we're looking for.

I was thinking more along the lines of somehow the gates of hell get opened up on earth, and god (reluctantly) sends help. He is reluctant because if he opens the gates of heaven, it will present a clear opportunity for an attack from hell. And sure enough, when the gates open, all hell breaks loose (pun intended). When the angels fight off the attack, there is then the war of all time on a golden plain in an alternate reality. I'm talking about plains and mountains extending as far as the eye can see. And there is the war to decide all wars on this field. But god knows they cannot win this war without help. He then enlists the help of a renegade angel long banished from heaven. The angel shows up midway through the battle in true hero fashion and saves the day. I think it sounds compelling.

[beyond_th3]

That sounds really good, but my vision is slighty different. of course the battle between good and evil starts with satan convinces the rulers of the world(The UN)that the angels are aliens or some kind of terrorists and assault the angels as the first blow. The biggest battle of this war of course is the battle of armageddon in which the devil and his group of fallen angels along with(the only time this world will unite)all soldiers who are called to fight, destroy the last hope of mankind - the ones who still believe in God and are willing to die for it - and at the crack of midnight when all hope seems to shrink, a light from above shines bright - its like the sun but instead of being yellowish, it is pure white. The gleam blinds all, and from that light the greatest army of all time come crashing down on earth and they are on white horses that have wings and as they reach the point of battle, they split up. About 1 million riders attack the army of satan, lead by a man whose nickname was written on his clothes - faithful and true - but his real name only he knew. 250,000 other riders went on into the world to release Gods wrath. At the end of the longest day in history, all was slain but satan and the fallen angels, and the world stood still for none lived. At the knees of faithful and true, satan begged for mercy, and to be let back into the gates of heaven. He never stopped loving God and long had he desired to sit upon the high kingdom as the greatest star next to the high throne of God again. But that would not happen, and satan and his angels were cast down into the lifeless Earth, where only dirt stayed. So satan was happy the world was rid of humans - which he hated - and he decided to call this new place his kingdom and the fallen were his stars and they built a great fortress - similar to the one in heaven and his throne was as high as God's. He renamed the place Hellion A.K.A Hell and bound to this fortress were those souls who opposed God. All was happy until word came to satan that God created another world where he placed two people to start the human race over - Adam and Eve. Satan now furious travels to this new earth and deceives that poor souls who ate the forbidden fruit. Thus it starts again.

And the moral to the story is as long as humans exist, evil will always exist because he from which it comes from hates humans and we are forever bound to his wrath.

[Antony]

Sorry. Had to take it down. My idea.

[Garnet Spring]

Beyond, Antony, I like both of your ideas.

Beyond yours is a bit depressing but truthful and just plain a good idea.

Antony's is really compelling and more practical.

I'll have to go with Antony.

Don't hurt me.

[Antony]

But he graduates first!

And thank you.

Also, feedback is appreciated.

[beyond_th3]

SWEET................:)

antony's story would be so kicka** if put onto film.

[Antony]

Are you referring to my idea or the fact that you graduate first? 2005... Bastard. :)

[Antony]

Oh, great, edit your post so that now I look like a dumbass.

[beyond_th3]

actually I edited it before I saw your post. sorry ;)

[Antony]

It's ok I thought it was funny.

[Skrybe]

I'm currently writing a script loosely based on the idea ... peep the sig.

[beyond_th3]

I gonna write(type)my script as soon as I get a final draft or some other screenwriting software.

[Vigilante_X]

It would be a kick*** movie as long as it is not overly religous. If you start going into salvation and pretty much aking it "Left Behind", you are going to lose people who aren't interested in that. Now if you just made a movie about essentially Armageddon and the final battle between Lucifer and God, it could be awesome. Angels with their wings spread out flying toward a demon resembling the Balrog fighting with mystical swords. And in the final last ditch effort, the human race actually pulls through and defeats Lucifer themselves, banishing evil from the world for all eternity. All that could happen without being overly religous about it. Now I know it would have to be somewhat religous because it is about Lucifer against God. But my point is that it could be an awesome movie about the strength of the human desire to survive then about believing in your faith and hoping everything will be OK.

[KingKrueger500]

This sounds like it could be the biggest epic made in years if done correctly. But should the war be fought in heaven or hell?

[Sock-Man]

If this was made it would be pretty spectacular to watch. I mean in theory it should be the biggest most spectacular battle ever fought. I mean it's god and the devil for gods sake. God made earth for (his own) sake, imagine the opposition he'd have to be against to feel the need to go to war.

3 problems though.

1) No point making it yet, wait til effects have truly advanced to make it as spectacular as it should be.

2) People seem to be overlooking the fact that there needs to be a coherent storyline. You can't just have 3 hours of angels fighting demons. And to make it interesting, one assumes the hell side would have to be winning at some point. Can you imagine the christian outcry?

3) It will never be made anyway because to some Christians (I'm talking about the fanatical preaching deluded types, not all christians), this is possibly the most offensive thing they can think of. And they'll go mad. Wouldn't surprise me if they stormed the set and torched it or something.

[KingKrueger500]

If this was made it would be pretty spectacular to watch. I mean in theory it should be the biggest most spectacular battle ever fought. I mean it's god and the devil for gods sake. God made earth for (his own) sake, imagine the opposition he'd have to be against to feel the need to go to war.

3 problems though.

1) No point making it yet, wait til effects have truly advanced to make it as spectacular as it should be.

2) People seem to be overlooking the fact that there needs to be a coherent storyline. You can't just have 3 hours of angels fighting demons. And to make it interesting, one assumes the hell side would have to be winning at some point. Can you imagine the christian outcry?

3) It will never be made anyway because to some Christians (I'm talking about the fanatical preaching deluded types, not all christians), this is possibly the most offensive thing they can think of. And they'll go mad. Wouldn't surprise me if they stormed the set and torched it or something.

1. Maybe give it a few more years. Special effects are pretty advanced nowadays though

2. There would be a coherent storyline, mixed with the action, and the movie should probably be about 2hrs. And hell will have the advantage at some points in the movie, but as long as heaven ultimately wins, they can't get too mad.

3. Yea, but not ALL the Christians are like that. There was a huge outcry against The Last Temptation Of Christ too, but that ended up getting made.

Also, I agree with what a previous poster said. It shouldn't focus too much on religion. Have some backstory about Lucifer falling and all that, but mainly focus on the fighting between the angels and demons. They also have to make a really immpressive looking God and a really terrifying and strong looking Satan.

[kel thuzad]

Dude, I'm a christian. What I said was true. I wasn't saying every Christian is that way, but it's the general as a whole. I swear everyone takes things so personal. I'm a Christian and I can say this straight forward, cause frankly it's true. Supposedly near 2.5 billion people in the world claim to be Christian. Majority, and well beyond half are probably not really Christian. Hence I said most "christians". Do you know what quotation marks imply? Not to mention I never said 'all' anyway.

Put simply, films like Dogma or Harry Potter are matter of factly looked down on and condemned by Christians. When I say this, I'm meaning majority. Whenever you refer to any group as a whole like that you're not saying technicly EVERYONE does. It would be like saying middle aged women are the rudest customers at any retail business. Well of course not all middle aged women are that way. :rolleyes:

So yeah, it is stereotypical typically, but the whole world is made up of stereotypes. It's how we define one another.

PS
Don't give out something like 1 out of 10 crap. You can't make that kind of polled statement out of billions of people.

Oh, and I like Dogma and Harry Potter as well. Although Harry Potter ain't the grandest peice of writing that everyone boasts it to be.

I dont think youre right.
Im Christian too...and I mean christian "for real". Ive also got a lot of others christians in my vicinity.
There is certainly a lot of heat on things you mentioned (Harry Potter, movies like Dogma and everything thats not very serious generally).
But what does that mean?
People who get offended by these things and feel they must let the world "know" are so vehement in their actions that the whole world knows the issue instantly - mostly through the media.
This doesnt mean that majority of Christians yell in every direction like this - If it were so, the world would be quite a horrible place to live in, imo.
Its just that we see it in TV and it is mostly supported also by Vatican, although not so radically.
Its like with video games - "everyone" hates them because kids playing become sadistic murderers on a regular basis. But when this really happens, its so rare that we hear about every case individually.
And people who are eager to banish videogames to hell get on TV and start b/tching about it. Its not so many people really - if it were, sales wouldnt boost as we speak.

[Andrey83]

But should the war be fought in heaven or hell?

Hmm...Couldnt they just say "another place" :)

[smith42687]

If this was made it would be pretty spectacular to watch. I mean in theory it should be the biggest most spectacular battle ever fought. I mean it's god and the devil for gods sake. God made earth for (his own) sake, imagine the opposition he'd have to be against to feel the need to go to war.

3 problems though.

1) No point making it yet, wait til effects have truly advanced to make it as spectacular as it should be.

2) People seem to be overlooking the fact that there needs to be a coherent storyline. You can't just have 3 hours of angels fighting demons. And to make it interesting, one assumes the hell side would have to be winning at some point. Can you imagine the christian outcry?

3) It will never be made anyway because to some Christians (I'm talking about the fanatical preaching deluded types, not all christians), this is possibly the most offensive thing they can think of. And they'll go mad. Wouldn't surprise me if they stormed the set and torched it or something.


There are three major wars being comprised as one in this thread.

#1 The war between angels, those who follow Lucifer and those who follow God.

This one would be fought in heaven just like the real one was. The story would be tough to tackle because movies are based on human conflicts and characteristics... something angels dont have. It could be based on the theory that angels were God's project before man. Since angels turned against him once, he banished them to hell and took away their free will- in the process creating Earth and giving it to man. But the story would focus on angels having human characteristics, and most notably "Lucifer" (which he wouldn't be called as such because the word Lucifer describes the fall from heaven.) Show him as a human, show God as light (only voice), show his resent and desire for power. Add in secondary angels, half believe Lucifer and wage war.


#2 The war between angels and demons, God and the Devil, for the souls of men.

This is the one that is most commonly done; Spawn, Constantine, Little Nicky?. Go watch Constantine.



#3 The final battle between angels and demons on Earth that is called "the apocalypse."

This one has been done, but I think they only glimpse the true reality of the situation. The Seventh Sign, Revelations, even Constantine, have really failed to portray the apocalypse the way the Book of Daniel or the Book of Revelations have.

This is the movie I would be most interested in because if you're going with religious text, Lucifer's son - the Antichrist - completely rules Earth and men in his newly created one-world government. He is born an illigetimate birth to a whore in Europe, thanks to a well respected priest (somehow Lucifer is involved with this.) After his mother dies, his priest father takes him in and raises him-teaching him the ways of politics and religion. He is described as extremely charismatic and intelligent. He becomes a priest in Europe and gains power quickly, working his way up to head of a multi-national body (like the EU or UN.) From there he proposes and passes a one-world government bill, after which he reveals himself as the anti-christ. It is believed that anywhere from 75-90% of the world population will call him God. The other 25-10% are persecuted to near extinction.

Now what I really can't stand about previous versions of the apocalypse in Hollywood is the fact that Joe Everyman and Susy Cool end up stopping the apocalypse. This is just bs to say that two human mortals have more power than the anti-christ or even God (the apocalypse is the work of God.) If this was done correctly, with the proper ending of humans failing to stop evil and the Christ coming, I think it could easily get made and Christians wouldn't be able to label it as blasphemy.

[oblivian]

smith: :applaud: congrats to you on that post! My eyes are sore from reading :) but those ideas are really interresting.

Right, I'm a newbie, but here's my thoughts:

#1: yeh, how could you have angels fighting eachother like that? It would be so hard to make it realistic, esp. with feather wings and halos.

#2: nothing new to add here.

#3: now that is a good idea!! A big psychological warfare thing, and it kinda goes with secret terrorism and corrupt governments that are really controversial at the mo. That would be sweet!



Another idea is religion vs. science. What do you all think?

Anyone who's read Angels and Demons, you know the big speech the camarlengo makes about science (the Illuminati) taking over with logic while religion is trying to hold people with fear and big events? That sorta thing...

[smith42687]

smith: :applaud: congrats to you on that post! My eyes are sore from reading :) but those ideas are really interresting.

Right, I'm a newbie, but here's my thoughts:

#1: yeh, how could you have angels fighting eachother like that? It would be so hard to make it realistic, esp. with feather wings and halos.

#2: nothing new to add here.

#3: now that is a good idea!! A big psychological warfare thing, and it kinda goes with secret terrorism and corrupt governments that are really controversial at the mo. That would be sweet!

Well they're not so much ideas as very probable interpretations of scripture. But thanks for the compliment.

#1: Visually, I think technology isn't quite ready for it because of the magnitude. I think I remember reading somewhere that halos are only used when angels come back to Earth, it's sort of a passport between the worlds. True or false, for the story you could say halos weren't necessary then.

The actual battle and motivations have some similarities to the 1850-1870's US or any civil war for that matter. They'd have to make sure to build Lucifer up as magnificient and beautiful- because he was both and the leader of the angels of the highest choir in heaven.


#3: That isn't my concern with this movie. Hollywood has no problem with bad mouthing government. My concern is the "happy-go-lucky", "hero saves the day" ending. EARTH LOSES! The apocalypse is the destruction of Earth by God and the Christ after a period of almost complete "darkness" and desolation by man (not even close to what people complain about today.) I really, really, really hate it when one guy stops the apocalypse in movies, even in Constantine (which I loved as a movie.) Earth loses, mankind is ruled by the anti-christ, millions of Christians are slaughtered, all hope is lost... then the Christ comes and defeats the Anti-Christ. But dont make it a humanly battle, cause it's not even close. That would be the hardest part of the movie. Making it where God just makes it so is a boring ending, making it an epic humanly battle is blasphemy and tacky. Find the inbetween.



Another idea is religion vs. science. What do you all think?

Anyone who's read Angels and Demons, you know the big speech the camarlengo makes about science (the Illuminati) taking over with logic while religion is trying to hold people with fear and big events? That sorta thing...

Eh. Propoganda movies aren't that fun. Ideas vs ideas can't really make a movie. You could have major conflicts between two big business mogules, one who favors science-one religion. But you'd have to use them as symbols of their ideas. Needs a lot of work to make a movie, but the basic concept I think is one better left to debate and discussion than 90-120 minutes of film.

[hollywoodtanman]

I think it would be cool. As long as you didn't make the devil red with horns and a tail. Then it would suck. Ohh and the thing is make the angels act like them. Like in Constantine an angel cusses, (spoiler) well I guess she turned out to be bad in the end,(end spoiler) but still. I don't see angels going around using the "F" word.

I'm kinda writing a script like this except it's not actual angels and demons. It's more of like Satanists and soldiers. It's hard to explain.

[smith42687]

I think it would be cool. As long as you didn't make the devil red with horns and a tail. Then it would suck. Ohh and the thing is make the angels act like them. Like in Constantine an angel cusses, (spoiler) well I guess she turned out to be bad in the end,(end spoiler) but still. I don't see angels going around using the "F" word.

I'm kinda writing a script like this except it's not actual angels and demons. It's more of like Satanists and soldiers. It's hard to explain.


That's the thing though. Gabriel wasn't bad in that movie, she was only doing her role. But that's another story.


I think Constantine was the best angel/devil/demons movie I've seen.