Why You May Want To Look Away During Fahrenheit 9/11

[pockybot]

A wide number of news sources are reporting that that gruesome beheading of an American hostage from al qaida has been rushed in to make the final cut of the film when Fahrenheit 9/11 opens(according to yahoo movie news and reuters) This reminds me when Oliver Stone rushed in to put OJ trial footage into the last minute cut of Natural Born Killers or when Spike Lee put the Rodney King footage in front of Malcom X.

I have doubts this film will be able to achieve that llucrative PG-13 deal, even tho a lot of what is shown throughought the doc is stuff from the news.

[rayzor09]

enuf goddam threads

[CoanBread751]

If this is true then idk if I can bring myself to watch that scene. But I will definently be there opening night to see this movie.

[Steve125]

Really? I wouldn't think they would do this. Michael Moore's been lobbying so much for a PG-13 rating, saying that's what it should truly get, so I wouldn't think they would add something like this in. Plus it's disrespectful too...

[Illuminati]

No they wont...i dont think pockyboy knows what he is saying...where do u get ur info...and u really need to stop making bogus threads...oo....and its not like OJ.....this is totally different...this is a beheading...not a trial...idiot...

[Mat]

There are so many beheadings in PG-13 fictional movies, I don't know why it matters in the rating.

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Mat
There are so many beheadings in PG-13 fictional movies, I don't know why it matters in the rating.
main word there: fictional

[Illuminati]

Which means they are mostly CGI...

[Mat]

Originally posted by Kitty
main word there: fictional

That's my point... why are we afraid of the real thing if we are so ready to accept it in a fictional movie? It's senseless.

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Mat
That's my point... why are we afraid of the real thing if we are so ready to accept it in a fictional movie? It's senseless.
because we already know its fictionaly because we know that no one really got hurt. now as for the american being beheaded, we know that that actually happen. and to watch that i think is sickening. but were so desensitized these days that we don't really care and just decide, for the hell of it, to download it off of the internet and watch it..

[Zebra 3]

Originally posted by pockybot
A wide number of news sources are reporting that that gruesome beheading of an American hostage from al qaida has been rushed in to make the final cut of the film when Fahrenheit 9/11 opens(according to yahoo movie news and reuters)
Can you provide a Yahoo movie news, Reuters or any other reputable news source link which mentions this?

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by Mat
There are so many beheadings in PG-13 fictional movies, I don't know why it matters in the rating.

Umm, which films? And how many of those beheadings have lingering shots and blood and are done execution style?

Sorry, I haven't watch the video as I'm not sick wacko, but I'm thinking it would be of a far more graphic and disturbing nature than anything you've seen in a PG-13 film. That said, I don't believe that the footage will be showing up in Fahrenheit 9/11.

[Mat]

I still don't see why it isn't suitible for a PG-13 movie. We see stacks of tortured naked Iraqis in the newspaper and on the news weekly, but we can't see one guy get his head lobbed off in a PG-13 movie?

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by Mat
I still don't see why it isn't suitible for a PG-13 movie. We see stacks of tortured naked Iraqis in the newspaper and on the news weekly, but we can't see one guy get his head lobbed off in a PG-13 movie?

And those photos are censored. You certainly aren't seeing any real nudity or anything too graphic in any form. There's also a world of difference between a photo and video...

I'm not arguing that the MPAA's rating system is somehow relevant or appropriate compared to other mediums. I frankly don't think it is, but that doesn't matter one bit. The MPAA only cares about films. What we read in books, see in magazines or flip through on television has absolutely nothing to do with the MPAA's system. Unless you can provide examples where similar footage was seen in a PG-13 film in recent years, you don't have much of an argument.

[jenna]

oh for gods sake they showed it repeatedly on the news, i remember they gave a warning the first time, but after that they just kept putting it on without saying a thing, which is nice if you happen to be eating dinner at the time. there goes the appetite... so i don't see what the difference is. at least with this you have a choice whether you want to go see the movie or not.

[Mat]

Originally posted by Wolfgang
Unless you can provide examples where similar footage was seen in a PG-13 film in recent years, you don't have much of an argument.

Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (best film of 2003)... we see graphic depictions of surgery among the the carnage of battle.

Batman Returns... Kentucky Fried Christopher Walken among with some other not so pretty scenes.

Lord of the Rings... Lots of beheading and disembowelment going on there. They're orcs but still... you can tell Jackson's schlock horror background.

Just because this beheading is "real" doesn't make it any more disturbing.

[Steve125]

Originally posted by Mat
Just because this beheading is "real" doesn't make it any more disturbing.

It kinda does. How would you feel if that was your dad, your brother, your friend up there on the big screen getting his head chopped off in front of a mass audience? It makes it more disturbing because he's a real person. You're watching a man's life being taken away. I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be able to just watch that in a movie theatre...

[Mat]

Originally posted by Steve125
It kinda does. How would you feel if that was your dad, your brother, your friend up there on the big screen getting his head chopped off in front of a mass audience?

I'd feel horrible, but it's nobody I know...

People die everyday... this guy's death is no worse than them.

[krazy_marco74]

i heard the beheading of the american hostage is online, people told me to download it, but no way..it'll be too disturbing.

[Inferno]

Meh....we'll all end of getting the video in an email soon anyway.

[DragnFire22]

How is it disturbing? I've seen worse.

[Dogbert0228]

This news of a real beheading sounds like a rumor that those against the film have been putting out... Here's a letter Moore posted on his website... It explains why Fandango hasn't listed times at some theatres for the film yet, because many big theater chains haven't picked it up... 500 is a very low number of theatres nation-wide for a major film...

June 17, 2004

Friends,

We're a week away from the nationwide opening of "Fahrenheit 9/11" and not a day goes by where we don't have some new battle to fight thanks to those who are still working overtime to keep people from seeing this film. What's their problem? Are they worried about something?

A Republican PR firm has formed a fake grassroots front group called "Move America Forward" to harass and intimidate theater owners into not showing "Fahrenheit 9/11." These are the same people who successfully badgered CBS into canceling the Reagan mini-series a few months ago. And they are spending a ton of money this week to threaten movie theaters who even think about showing our movie.

As of this morning, a little over 500 theaters have agreed to show the movie beginning next Friday, June 25. There are three national/regional theater chains who, as of today, have not booked the movie in their theaters. One theater owner in Illinois has reported receiving death threats.

The right wing usually wins these battles. Their basic belief system is built on censorship, repression, and keeping people ignorant. They want to limit or snuff out any debate or dissension. They also don't like pets and are mean to small children. Too many of them are named "Fred."

This new nut group is the Right's last hope in limiting how many people can see this movie. All of their other efforts have failed. Let's recap:

1. Roger Friedman at FOX News reported that the head of the company which first agreed to fund our film “got calls from Republican friends” pressuring them to back out. And they did. But... Miramax immediately picked up the film! Except...



2. Michael Eisner, the chairman of Disney, then blocked Miramax (a company owned by Disney) from releasing the film once it was finished. But... public attention and embarrassment forced Disney to let the Weinstein brothers of Miramax find another distributor! But...



3. Instead of a new distributor stepping right in -- as all the media predicted would happen -- it took another month to find distributors who would take on this movie. A number of other distributors, thanks to various pressures, were afraid to get involved. It looked for a while that we would be distributing this ourselves. But then Lions Gate and IFC Films rode in to the rescue!

So, we have beaten back all attempts to kill this movie, and the only thing in the way of you now seeing "Fahrenheit 9/11" is this Republican big-money front group trying to force theaters not to show the movie.

Please, contact your local theaters and let them know you want to see "Fahrenheit 9/11." Tell them that some people don't know that this is America and that we believe in freedom of speech and the importance of ALL voices being heard. (The members of MoveOn.org—an ACTUAL grassroots organization—have done a very cool thing. They are pledging to send a message to theater owners and are planning to attend a showing of the film on its opening weekend.)

I appreciate their efforts, but you don’t have to be a member of MoveOn to help stop this effort to keep “Fahrenheit 9/11” from making it to screens across the country. If a theater in your area is planning to show the film, just give them a call and thank them for standing up for the freedom of speech. If your local theater isn't showing the film, call them and let them know that you would like to see it and you'd like them to show it.

The White House and their minions in our media have presented one distorted version of the truth after another for the past four years. All we are asking for is the right to show what they HAVEN'T shown us, the real truth. The truth that ain't pretty (and is, sadly, damningly hilarious).

On top of all this, the MPAA gave the film an "R" rating. I want all teenagers to see this film. There is nothing in the film in terms of violence that we didn't see on TV every night at the dinner hour during the Vietnam War. Of course, that's the point, isn't it? The media have given the real footage from Iraq a "cleansing" -- made it look nice, easy to digest. Mario Cuomo has offered to be our lawyer in appealing this ruling by the MPAA. Frankly, I would like to think the MPAA is saying that the actions by the Bush administration are so abhorrent and revolting, we need to protect our children from seeing what they have done. In that case, the film should be rated NC-17!

However it turns out, I trust all of you teenagers out there will find your way into a theater to see this movie. If the government believes it is OK to send slightly older teenagers to their deaths in Iraq, I think at the very least you should be allowed to see what they are going to draft you for in a couple of years.

Finally, some very sophisticated individuals have been hacking into and shutting down our website. It is an hourly fight to keep it up. We are going to find out who is doing this and we are going to pursue a criminal prosecution. I'm preparing lots of cool stuff for the site so watch for new items on it next week (www.fahrenheit911.com and www.michaelmoore.com).

Thanks again for your support and I hope to see you at the movies on opening night, June 25.

Yours,

Michael Moore


PS. I am sponsoring a number of benefits around the country next week for local and national peace and justice groups, including Military Families Speak Out and September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows. Please check your local papers and my website next week for further details.

PPS. Also, I am going to be on the “Late Show with David Letterman” on Friday night. It's on CBS at 11:35 PM Eastern and Pacific. And on Monday morning (June 21) I will be on “The Today Show” on NBC. Next week, Jon Stewart and Conan. I'd go on O'Reilly but, like a coward, he walked out on a screening we invited him to (with Al Franken just a few rows away!). I personally caught him sneaking out. Embarrassed, he tried to change the subject. He said, "When are you coming on my show?" and I said, "Turn around and watch the rest of the movie and I will come on your show." He walked out. Fair and balanced.

[Mat]

Interesting...

[Greyhame]

Interesting, but I still dont agree with Moore, his views, or his "angry" way of dealing with things.

[droidguy1119]

I'm seeing this movie Friday. Apparently Moore himself might be at the showing...

[Illuminati]

Does it come out Friday?

[pockybot]

1) the beheading *is* in the film, there's like a ton of brand new articles detailing whats in it...and trust me, thats not the worst grotesquery in it.

I only mention this because some of us are sentivie, and may not want to view certain things...such is why I had reservations with The Propaganda of The Christ.

2) BIG APPLAUD to Moore. I cannot understand how people can bash on Moore...people should be bashing on Bush.

Bush is sending teenagers from America into battle to die for no real clear war, yet the MPAA doesnt want teens to see it.
Our government is sending these same teens to go out and kill people, yet showing it on a movie screen...well we can't know the truth? These right wing nuts trying to block the film, were probably the same ones buying out theatres to show The Passion, an equally if not more graphic film.

3) Ok, hackers are hacking into the site? Since when did hackers become pro Bush activists? sad sad sad

This movie may open on 500 screens, but Im hoping it does enough business to warrant openings on 3000 screens. I firmly feel everyone over the age of 13 should see this...and see just what this government is up to.

[fineus fog]

why i ask in a so called free country does this kind of stuff happen????

i am angered by the way the US treats its citizens (and i dont even live anywhere near the US) BUT I AM MORE ANGRERED BY THE WAY MOST OF THE PUBLIC LET THEMSELVES BE TREATED!!!!
Why live in a country who from an outside perspective appears to bully and manipulate its own people.
Cmon US citizens step outside your country and see what the rest of the world has been seeing for a very long time.

p.s I dont mean to offend US citizens but please take my advice, travel abroad, speak to people from nations that have been bullied and pushed around by the US government (both past and present) and your eyes will open.

Trust me if Micheal Moore came here hed probably be treated like royalty

[Boro]

what a ****er. what a way to dishonor somebody then use their death to push propaganda and sell movie tickets.


and i here all of you saying that this movie "is the truth" on whats really happening in iraq because it was actual news footage. sorry to break it to you kiddies but not everything in the news isnt true. all he has done is compiled news bits to support and push his views on the president and the war in iraq.

[Johnnys Apples]

Michael Moore is a complete idiot. His films are at best laughable when considering the truth. He isn't taken seriously amongst scholarly circles and yet likes to pretend that his films "uncover the truth". HA!

Whether or not you support Bush is beside the point. Moore has made an A$$ out of himself in his other movies. I believe that he would try to rush the beheading into the film just for shock value. What a complete fat idiot.

[Madness]

Originally posted by Johnnys Apples
What a complete fat idiot. Yup, cuz his weight has everything to do with what we're talking about. Nevermind terrorists, propaganda and misinformation, check out his gut!!!

Way to prove your point....

[Zebra 3]

Originally posted by pockybot
1) the beheading *is* in the film, there's like a ton of brand new articles detailing whats in it...and trust me, thats not the worst grotesquery in it. 1) I went to the sites you've mentioned in your first post and I haven't find anything at either Yahoo movie news, Reuters or The Associated Press regarding your tale. And so I'll ask you a second and final time, post a reputable news source link.

[Illuminati]

1) I doubt it will be in the movie. Moore knows better. I like the guy. I loved BFC...he wont do it.

2) Stop telling lies and get proof.

[DragnFire22]

Originally posted by pockybot
...such is why I had reservations with The Propaganda of The Christ.



I never saw that film. The Passion was good, though.

[rayzor09]

^^ :lol: tell it like it is, teacher, tell it like it is. :funny:

[Greyhame]

I just dont agree with Moore, I saw his Columbine film and feel the 9/11 will be the same thing but with a different agenda he is pushing. I dont like the fact he is using a beheading and other images of wartime brutality to push his agenda, his "news" sources probably consist of ONLY anti-Bush and anti-iraq news, Bush sent soldiers to Iraq for a reason, Saddam Hussein was dangerous. He had weapons, he had resources, and he was linked to many terrorists.

I have been to othere countries, Russia, Britain, Sweden, Germany, New Zealand, Estonia, Norway, and Mexico. They are not better off than the US citizens, most are worse. The US is the nicest place that I have been to and I would not want to live anywhere else.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

[Illuminati]

Hes not using the beheading...he knows better than that...dont rely on pockyboy...

[Greyhame]

Even if he doesn't use the beheading I still dont agree with him, lol. Glad hes not though. Maybe it'll be knocked down from R rating.

[Illuminati]

no it wont...its coming out soon...theres already enough stuff to keep it R.

[RudyCurien]

The guy getting killed was Bushes fault anyways. Plenty of people would not be dead right now, had we pulled out of Iraq time we caught Saddam.

[Illuminati]

dude...it all leads to lies..

[blueshirt005]

how anyone can watch moores films and think this stuff is groundbreaking and enlightening is beyond me. him and his clever (see: Misleading) editing is a crock. bowling for columbine is a great example of half truths, lies, misconceptions, and moores editing tricks.

yay.

and how about one of his main arguments (bush ordered Bin Ladens out of USA on private planes)...is false. do we not care about that? oh well, go watch this propoganda, hate america, and then run out and look for the voting booth (see: John Kerry).

and if there is a beheading in the movie...wow, thats a new low.

[Hatter]

Have you people SEEN it?

It's not just a LOTR-esque quick swipe, they take a HUNTING KNIFE and SAW through his freaking NECK, while he's STILL ALIVE. It's not quick. And it's not something that will ever be shown in a movie theatre.

[pockybot]

Originally posted by Illuminati
Hes not using the beheading...he knows better than that...dont rely on pockyboy...

um, ok...
http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/news/ap/20040615/108731832001.html

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1087864929940_83274129?hub=Entertainment

and this *very* interesting tid bit here:
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:hCtX_9cLVDcJ:www.salon.com/ent/feature/2004/05/27/fahrenheit_911/+fahrenheit+9/11+beheading+&hl=en

[Illuminati]

Dude....those only go against what u said. The beheading is not in the movie. He thought about it...decided not to put in in...

[premise]

yeah it says beheddings not "the behedding"

[pockybot]

Originally posted by premise
yeah it says beheddings not "the behedding"

man, that's even worse! I'm kind of glad I know about these scenes ahead of time, so I can look away. I understand why they are there tho.

[fineus fog]

, Saddam Hussein was dangerous. He had weapons,

where are they then huh?

[pockybot]

Originally posted by fineus fog
, Saddam Hussein was dangerous. He had weapons,

where are they then huh?

Um, there truly are no "W.M.D." in Iraq...you dont have to be a Moore fan or liberal to realize the US Government, Bush, etc LIED and fabricated "evidence" about reasons to go into Iraq.

I cannot wait for the discussions on here and everywhere else when the speculation is over, and the film is out.

[Boro]

if you believe the US fabricated the evidence you must believe that british and other european intelligence got that info from us.

[premise]

just f**king tell me
what is the point in believing politicians?

[rosncranz]

here is a brilliant review of this rubbish!

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17834

[movieguy475]

i don't think they will be having anything like this, the film still isn't rated and is released on friday.

[pockybot]

Originally posted by movieguy475
i don't think they will be having anything like this, the film still isn't rated and is released on friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040622/ap_en_mo/film_fahrenheit_9_11_rating_2

It mentions how the R rating is staying, and some of the scenes that kept it an R.

[movieguy475]

than why does the tv preview say "this film is not yet rated"?

[Illuminati]

I saw a comercial that said it was Unrated still...it wasnt old cause it said "coming out this friday"

[movieguy475]

i've never heard of a movie not having a rating 4 days before it's release.

[pockybot]

well for those that think there is no scenes of beheadings, much worse scenes, and that the film isnt rated(as well that the government didnt lie to get us into Iraq) well, I suggest you don't go see this movie. I personally hope everyone who is a serious movie goer goes to see this. If you can stomach that Jesus flick, you can study this parable about modern times.

[movieguy475]

Originally posted by pockybot
well for those that think there is no scenes of beheadings, much worse scenes, and that the film isnt rated(as well that the government didnt lie to get us into Iraq) well, I suggest you don't go see this movie. I personally hope everyone who is a serious movie goer goes to see this. If you can stomach that Jesus flick, you can study this parable about modern times.

well the jesus flick is different........real and fake are two completely different things

[Greyhame]

Actually the R rating is staying and there were WMD's in Iraq. If the dam UN wasnt so slow in their search and denial of supporting the US then we would have been able to have found them. There were weapons in Iraq, he was a dangerous man who killed in the thousands and with or without the finding of WMD's he needed to be taken out of control. But does this make any major news network? No. Why would it? It would support Bush which is a major no in the Liberal slanted media group of today.

[see]

You realy want to know what I feel about this whole thing? IT'S A WASTE OF TIME!!!! Realy people, you're gonna drop like 20 bucks to see this thing when you could be watching it FOR FREE in the comfort of your home? This is just another example of someone trying to make a quick dollar off of something that is tragic.
Alot of you are saying now "You're outta your mind." Maybe, but I'm not gonna watse my time and money on something I feel we should've been in the first place. What's next? Micheal Jackson film about his trail? Oh WAIT I KNOW!!!!! OJ Simpson, We know he did it and here's why. Even better..... Bill Clinton, The Stain says it all.
Americans will pay to see disappointing stuff like this. Now they got this "Beheading" in it also..... Oh nice, I bet the family of the guy would just LOVE to see that on the big screen..... You people make me sick.

[Tony Montana]

Originally posted by rosncranz
here is a brilliant review of this rubbish!

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17834

You do know that people at AICN are mostly conservative? What else do you expect?

[Himbo]

wow. . .so much talk about this american getting his head chopped off . . . you actually think that footage was real? Interesting. You know I'm not a doctor but I have chopped a few turkey heads off back in the day . .and let me tell you the blood flows like a friggin river. Now you look at the execution tape . . and low and behold . . very little blood. Which begs the question . . was he already dead?

cheers

[rosncranz]

Originally posted by Himbo
wow. . .so much talk about this american getting his head chopped off . . . you actually think that footage was real? Interesting. You know I'm not a doctor but I have chopped a few turkey heads off back in the day . .and let me tell you the blood flows like a friggin river. Now you look at the execution tape . . and low and behold . . very little blood. Which begs the question . . was he already dead?

cheers


you forget one thing that negates your entire point, it doesnt matter. they killed him and cut off his head pre- or post-mortem doesnt matter. and they may be very conservative, but i am as liberal as you get, and i agree with what they are saying 100%

[Illuminati]

hey see...i would rather waste 20 bux...its worth it...

[Illuminati]

himbo...i agree wit u...I notice that in the video...me and my dad looked at the picture of Berg with the guys behind him and noticed alot of things that were wrong...im glad we are on the same line...

[Tony Montana]

Himbo is right, he already was dead. But Rosncranz already said it: it doesnt matter, the point is that they have killed him.

This beheading stunt was made in order to shock us.

[Himbo]

Well I thought I would throw that out there. . because reading some of these posts its sounds like a select few are buying into the propaganda. Anyhoo. . if anyone else is interested . .

http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/berg_archive.htm

[Himbo]

Well well well . .it looks like the R rating will be upheld.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=5254

[Illuminati]

I always go to infowars...i love that site...lily white hands....tall figure...befor i went there me and my dad pointed those exact things out...new reason for new beheading: Bush thought of a way to get more troops for his cause...so the government took this translator...made videos....killed him with an injection of some kind...waited...cut his head off...

[pockybot]

Originally posted by Himbo
wow. . .so much talk about this american getting his head chopped off . . . you actually think that footage was real? Interesting. You know I'm not a doctor but I have chopped a few turkey heads off back in the day . .and let me tell you the blood flows like a friggin river. Now you look at the execution tape . . and low and behold . . very little blood. Which begs the question . . was he already dead?

cheers

wow, you need some help man. sad.

Anyways, there *WAS* WMD, but Saddam ordered all of them destroyed, while making it seem like there *could* sitll be WMD...it was a game. A scare tactic for when the US invaded, that big 'what if?'...at the same time saying there was no WMD to the international community(which was correct as of late)

Conservatives just creep me out. I think of a motley ensomble of stuffy shirted smiling 700 club members,
gun owners, woodsman, good ol' boys, and folks that say "boy, these colors dont run, but you best get runnin' I reckon"

[Himbo]

With all due respect Pockybot, people who believe everything the news channels and the gov't say scare the hell out of ME. Taking things at face value instead of looking into them, researching them and coming up with a a truly informed opinion. But to one there own. . .



cheers

[jenna]

Originally posted by Himbo
wow. . .so much talk about this american getting his head chopped off . . . you actually think that footage was real? Interesting. You know I'm not a doctor but I have chopped a few turkey heads off back in the day . .and let me tell you the blood flows like a friggin river. Now you look at the execution tape . . and low and behold . . very little blood. Which begs the question . . was he already dead?

cheers

oh my god. i can't believe i fell for that. i used to be so cynical! what happened?!?!!

[adonihs]

Originally posted by Himbo
With all due respect Pockybot, people who believe everything the news channels and the gov't say scare the hell out of ME. Taking things at face value instead of looking into them, researching them and coming up with a a truly informed opinion. But to one there own. . .



cheers


He was just implying that you should be a little more respectfull.
Dead or not, its still a tragic and gruesome issue. Sure people die everyday, (and lets say he is alive) most of them, not as gruesome as this. I mean, seriously, think about the parents that have probably seen the video. And I dont know what all the talk is up with him not being alive, I saw the same bs at those ANTI-War websites...And theres blood when they cut his neck, and he squirms on the ground.

Try watching it again.

[ZombieMan]

I'll definitly go and see this movie. Thats all I'm saying, and I really don't care to see the beheading scene, but I just want to see what this movie is all about before I speak on it.

[Garnet Spring]

Originally posted by Illuminati
I always go to infowars...i love that site...lily white hands....tall figure...befor i went there me and my dad pointed those exact things out...new reason for new beheading: Bush thought of a way to get more troops for his cause...so the government took this translator...made videos....killed him with an injection of some kind...waited...cut his head off... That's a pretty serious conpiracy theory there, Illuminati. That's fine. People are allowed to think what they will, but I don't get is the "lily white hands" and "tall figure" comment. If you meant that the color of the hands were a clue, I say, you can't tell if someone is an Arab just by their skin color. And I don't know what you mean by the tall figure comment, so I wish for you to clarify that.

[movieguy475]

In my opinion, michael moore is an annoying pest........

[Himbo]

Garnet I would suggest to you to check out the link I posted on page 3. Its goes into much detail, taking into account a lot of different aspects surrounding the whole event. For someone to look at the evidence presented and pass it off as having no merit is pretty ignorant . . imo.

I'm looking forward to seeing the movie when it comes out. It pretty much has nothing new that I haven't already heard from Alex Jones' documentary a year and a half ago . but still.

cheers

[Garnet Spring]

Originally posted by Himbo
Garnet I would suggest to you to check out the link I posted on page 3. Its goes into much detail, taking into account a lot of different aspects surrounding the whole event. For someone to look at the evidence presented and pass it off as having no merit is pretty ignorant . . imo.

cheers Wait a second, you're not implying that I'm passing the evidence off as having no merit are you? :confused:

[Himbo]

ahhh . . . i guess not. . oops. sorry

:)

[Illuminati]

Ok...tall figure meaning american style...in other photos of Arabs(also videos) they are shorter men and they kind of crouch not much....lily whites...yes u can tell...the tone of an arabs hand is darker...

[Garnet Spring]

My point is, not all Arabs have really dark skin. Arabs can have skin tones that are the same as that of certain Caucasians.

And the stature thing is no where near full proof. I don't profess to know the avarage hieght of Iraqis, but I do know that you can't just say that because they tend to be short(if that's true, I don't know) all of them are. Most Japanese people are of smaller stature, that doesn't mean that all of them are, and it certainly doesn't mean even most asian people are. But you don't even seem to be mentioning just Iraqis, you just said Arabs that's even more faulty. Osama Bin Laden is around 6'4, that ain't short and he's an Arab. And I'm not even touching the crouching thing. I don't know where that observation came form, and I don't want to know. Oh, and there is no American style hieght.

Even if you have this theory and wish to share it with others, I just ask for better proof then mere idle speculation.
And if the Adminisration was stupid enough to try and pull this off why wouldn't they have made the same observations as you and then acted accordingly?

[Illuminati]

I didnt say all wer short. They tend to be shorter. And the way they stand. It is true.

[Garnet Spring]

Whatever you say.

[Illuminati]

I didnt say there was american style height...I was talking about the way americansstand and there height...

[Zebra 3]

Fahrenheit 9/11 received the same rating as the recent goofball comedy remake Starsky & Hutch - a 14A, meaning it's suitable for moviegoers 14 and up.

[Illuminati]

and you got this where?

[Himbo]

"14A"

Maybe that's for Canada. .we use that rating all the time, usually for movies rated R elsewhere. For example American Pie was rated 14A in Canada if I remember correctly.

[Illuminati]

ok...then its rated r...I was trying to think cause i read the statement saying the movie is R...

[Zebra 3]

Illuminati, I initially got the news from the Liberal Conspiracy Room - a dark and smoky place with a cappuccino machine in the corner... (story) (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1087939369120_83348569?hub=Entertainment). The one restriction with 14A is that those under 14 must be accompanied by an adult. In Canada the 18A rating is pretty much the same as the US's R-rating meaning those under 18 must be with an adult, and Canada's R-rating is an NC17 in the US, meaning that no one under 18 is permitted.

[Illuminati]

ok

[Boro]

i've been to plenty of R movies w/o an adult

[pockybot]

Conspiracy theories are there for people on the net to pass time. The Free Masons were connected to Princess Di's crash.
The Presidents meet at Bohemian Grove for sacrifices. The White House knew about 9/11 beforehand. c'mon folks.

Bush didnt know about 9/11 before hand, he just jizzed his pants in a wargasm when it sank it...
"By Golly, I now can get congress to do whatever I want, and go to war with Iraq...yippeee I reckon!"

Oh yeah, it comes out tommorrow. Frickin sweet.

[blueshirt005]

i watched the berg video...wish to god i didnt. but after that when i read the whole conspiracy about it...some of it does make sense. notably the huge lack of blood. im not going to watch it again to see the rest of the stuff the mentioned...

Gold rings...

Russian accents...

FBI/CIA hat in the shot?

sppppooooky!

[Boro]

the government always knows stuff before and while they are happening and they dont tell the public about it.

we knew about the holocaust and we looked away pretending it wasnt real. we knew all about pearl harbor. we never really did go to the moon. there are actually aliens.

[fineus fog]

this seems to have struck a real political chord with you guys,
GREAT!!!!!!!!

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by DragnFire22
How is it disturbing? I've seen worse.

Well,

1. You have to be sane to understand what we are talking about. I can tell by your reply that you apparently arent. Either that or you are just playing tough.

Now what kind of question is that? How is it disturbing to see a real man die getting his head chopped off? Think. Just think!

[pockybot]

I just did a satire comic strip relating to all of this stuff:
http://www.pockybot.com/gallery/pj.jpg

[Illuminati]

I smelll spam....dont advertise your site like that on here...

[Zebra 3]

The most liberal Canadian province allows all to see Fahrenheit 9/11 without restriction.

[Illuminati]

I wish I lived there....

[Himbo]

Okay so what I'm reading elsewhere of people who have actually seen the movie, yes there is a beheading. But its NOT Nick Berg's. Its a public beheading shown from an elevated view.

[the elmo zombie]

im seeing this movie tonight!!!! :)

[Illuminati]

OK then...its not THE beheading...Moore knew better...so there was no point to this thread...

[LegolasIsntSexy]

its a public beheading shown from a far back view, theres no blood whatsoever but if you pay attention to the bottom part of the screen youll definitely see some beheadage. and its really quick, too.

[dustindame]

Damn it, i want to see this but it keeps being sold out.

[Boro]

get a ticket in advance if they're being offered.

[Dad]

I did get in yesterday to see it and knew of the scenes decribed in the posts above, but seemed to be blacked out. :mad:
When the movie screen went blank but still had sound at the before and end of the starting credits. IF this is the case that the theater sencored the movie more. I am sure that some sounds were the planes hitting the towers.
very interesting.....one more case of poor judgement!

:)