The Wachowski Brothers should have at least got a directors nomination.

[spikethebloody]

It is a complete and utter travesty. Just b/c they refuse to kiss a$$ they get no respect. Peter Jackson was willing to pucker up to anyone willing to bend over. The brothers wachowski just make their movies and go home. Whether you like Reloaded/Revolutions or not one thing is not in dispute. The directing was once again a thing of beauty. They no how to use a camera.

[droidguy1119]

No, but I do think there should have been a nomination for the visual effects. I mean, Peter Pan? What the hell?

[Rogue Program]

I agree with you that Reloaded has some of the best cinematography, shot composition etc. that I have ever seen in a movie, however, Revolutions seemed entirely different in this respect and just not as impressive.

All you have to do is look at Bound to see that these guys have a great talent behind the camera but seriously, a directing nomination was never going to be in the cards for them with the Matrix sequels because of the genre.

[krazy_marco74]

no, i don't think it should have got a nomination for director, but i do also think nomination for visual effects.

[Mat]

Come on, if you're talking about being robbed for a best director nom, you've got to be talking about QT.

[spikethebloody]

Originally posted by droidguy1119
No, but I do think there should have been a nomination for the visual effects. I mean, Peter Pan? What the hell?

The siege of Zion alone is the most impressive visual effects achievement in history.

[spikethebloody]

Originally posted by Mat
Come on, if you're talking about being robbed for a best director nom, you've got to be talking about QT.

No doubt QT deserved a nom as well but the Wachowski brothers are great directors and the shots they come up with in Reloaded/Revolutions were amazing.

[Brock Landers]

No.


(One word post) :D

[Boro]

leave it to spike to create another ****ty thread

[Citizen Kane]

Originally posted by Mat
Come on, if you're talking about being robbed for a best director nom, you've got to be talking about QT.

Definitely. He better at least get nominated this year...

[Necross]

Originally posted by spikethebloody
It is a complete and utter travesty. Just b/c they refuse to kiss a$$ they get no respect. Peter Jackson was willing to pucker up to anyone willing to bend over. The brothers wachowski just make their movies and go home. Whether you like Reloaded/Revolutions or not one thing is not in dispute. The directing was once again a thing of beauty. They no how to use a camera.

What the hell are you talking about PJ kissing ass? He did the movie the way he wanted to do it, New Line wasn't the first place he pitched the films. Just because the Wachowski brothers didn't get nominated is no reasone to bash PJ with lies. I mean who the hell did he suck up to anyone, tell me, give me an example, unless you mean suck up to his fans like a good director does. Especailly when it comes to books that have be treasured for decades.

I do agree that Reloaded definetly should have been nominated for some technical stuff like Special effects though.

[Necross]

Originally posted by Citizen Kane
Definitely. He better at least get nominated this year...

i agree, I think he will, every single critic has said plainly that Kill Bill Vol. 2 is oscar worthy, in performances, directing, and best picture.

[spikethebloody]

Originally posted by Necross
What the hell are you talking about PJ kissing ass? He did the movie the way he wanted to do it, New Line wasn't the first place he pitched the films. Just because the Wachowski brothers didn't get nominated is no reasone to bash PJ with lies. I mean who the hell did he suck up to anyone, tell me, give me an example, unless you mean suck up to his fans like a good director does. Especailly when it comes to books that have be treasured for decades.

I do agree that Reloaded definetly should have been nominated for some technical stuff like Special effects though.


PJ sucked up to the media, fans, and the academy all day and everyday.

[spikethebloody]

I can't believe that you people would denounce the directing skills of the wachowskis. You do not have to like the movie but blatant denial of reality is scary. The camera work was excellent. The shots were perfect. They deserved a nomination far more than Peter Weir or Sofia Coppola.

[Necross]

Originally posted by spikethebloody
PJ sucked up to the media, fans, and the academy all day and everyday.

No, No, you see the media, fans and the academy were all interesting in LOTR. They didn't care about The Matrix movies, after Reloaded came out and the fanbase split, the hype around the movies disappeared. Just because PJ was on tv doesn't mean he was sucking up, a director doesn't have to not appear on tv to be a good director. And like you said, PJ did stuff for his fans, unlike the Wachowski's. :rolleyes:

[Necross]

Originally posted by spikethebloody
I can't believe that you people would denounce the directing skills of the wachowskis. You do not have to like the movie but blatant denial of reality is scary. The camera work was excellent. The shots were perfect. They deserved a nomination far more than Peter Weir or Sofia Coppola.

Ok.........I think I am gonna stop posting in this thread soon, brain cells disappearing, I mean.......the camera work was excellent, oh yeah, that deserved a directing nomination for sure......and Peter Weir and Sofia Coppola DEFINETLY deserved their nominations.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by spikethebloody
I can't believe that you people would denounce the directing skills of the wachowskis. You do not have to like the movie but blatant denial of reality is scary. The camera work was excellent. The shots were perfect. They deserved a nomination far more than Peter Weir or Sofia Coppola.

Bwahahahahahaha, you crack me up. Sure, they did good with their Computer.....

[Citizen Kane]

Originally posted by spikethebloody
I can't believe that you people would denounce the directing skills of the wachowskis. You do not have to like the movie but blatant denial of reality is scary. The camera work was excellent. The shots were perfect. They deserved a nomination far more than Peter Weir or Sofia Coppola.

No.

[Necross]

Originally posted by Citizen Kane
No.

LOL :D :applaud:

[konman72]

I dont know much about directing, so I honestly don't know. But they definately deserved a sfx nom.

[PsYkOoOoO]

This thread is so funny..

:funny:

[fineus fog]

this thread is stupid
the wankofski couldnt direct their way out of a paper bag, a cgi paper bag at that

[The Moose]

IMO, they shouldn't have got one for reloaded/revolutions, but visual effects, yeah.

but a nom. for the matrix would have been more in line IMO

[Polarbear]

I think they should have got a director nomination and won it

[Jspitalieri]

No nominations. The second and third films were disappointing.

[LordofKings]

spike, are you an idiot? You believe the camera work in a film, no matter how great, makes the directors worthy of best director? Camera shots have nothing to do with whether or not a director gets nominated, but how the cameras ARE USED (ex: low angles and other shots of importance) does help if used properly and can show the skill of a director's ability to show his vision on screen. Maybe the movie should have been nominated for best cinematography, but then the award would have went to the director of cinematography, not the brothers. and NO, they should not have been nominated for best director....

[Mat]

I think this is one of the times when everyone who was nominated actually deserved to be nominated. I said QT was robbed of a nom, but I dunno who I'd boot out for him.

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by LordofKings
spike, are you an idiot?

Does that really need an answer?

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by Mat
Come on, if you're talking about being robbed for a best director nom, you've got to be talking about QT.

If he didn't split KB into two parts he would have gotten a Nom last year as well as UMA , I'm sure both will get noms next Oscars.

I think the Academy wanted to see the entire film before putting that honor on him just like Jackson , they waited till the LOTR saga was over then he got his win.

[beyond_th3]

spike I don't know why you waste your time here. It is obvious that no one like the matrix and that will always blind them from having anything positive to say about it. I agree alot of stuff was fx but so was lotr(I don't care I love those movies), and I think that they could have gotten a nom because for a s****y story they came up with very good ideas(you must admit the car chase and burly brawl and the seige are very impressive minus the cgi).

As I am looking at ROTK right now I am noticing alot of continuity breaks. Why should pj win for best director if I get screamed at from my professor when I break continuity?

[LordofKings]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Does that really need an answer?

your right, i know the answer as we all do, but it doesn't hurt to ask;)

[LordofKings]

Originally posted by beyond_th3
spike I don't know why you waste your time here. It is obvious that no one like the matrix and that will always blind them from having anything positive to say about it. I agree alot of stuff was fx but so was lotr(I don't care I love those movies), and I think that they could have gotten a nom because for a s****y story they came up with very good ideas(you must admit the car chase and burly brawl and the seige are very impressive minus the cgi).

As I am looking at ROTK right now I am noticing alot of continuity breaks. Why should pj win for best director if I get screamed at from my professor when I break continuity?

we don't think the brothers deserve a nod because they clearly don't. I like the matrix films, but a nod for BD, no way! I like many films, but that doesn't mean the picture or director deserves noms. i think the matrix didn't, but could have got a FX nom. but in reloaded, the fight with the smiths in parts looked like a computer game, and many shots were just HORRIBLE. But Reveolutions i think deserved a FX NOM

[CoanBread751]

Didnt read any of the posts except the first. i oficially declare spikethebloody to be a complete idiot. Please stay away from me.

[Chuckles]

Hmmm gotta say they deserved a nom or even a win for sfx but directing? Uh... no there wasn't anything special about them here. All the good stuff in the camera work was sfx not good camera angles or anything like that. There were a couple interesting shots but overall it was pretty meh IIRC.

The real rob was Kill Bill for directing. But yeah it's not a stand alone film (cut into half) so it couldn't have been nominated.

[Neverending]

Great camera work doesn't equal great director. A lot goes into great camera work. From the director's vision to the cinematographer to the lighting operators to the camera people themselves.

In fact there is an award given out for camera work. Its called "Best Cinematography." A director does more then get camera shots. He oversees the entire production. From the script to the performances to the entire look.

[konman72]

Originally posted by Neverending
Great camera work doesn't equal great director. A lot goes into great camera work. From the director's vision to the cinematographer to the lighting operators to the camera people themselves.

In fact there is an award given out for camera work. Its called "Best Cinematography." A director does more then get camera shots. He oversees the entire production. From the script to the performances to the entire look. But everyone who works on the films comments on the Wachowski's ability to find great camera angles, so I think they are largely responsible for them, but as you say that earns a cinematography award, so no best director for that, all I'm saying is that they deserved the cinematpgraphy. I'm babbling and I'm sorry :)

[true fan11212]

For the first film, I think The Wackowski Brothers should have been nominated. For Reloaded and Revolutions, however, they didn't really deserve nominations.

[Warren]

Originally posted by spikethebloody
The siege of Zion alone is the most impressive visual effects achievement in history.

Um........no?

And there is no way the Wachowskis deserved an Oscar nomination. Most of the movies were CGI, they don't direct that.

[PsychoMike]

The matrix movies should have been nominated for best visual effects some of the CGI stuff was really good, didn't they win for bestvisuals for the original Matrix?

They also should have been nominated for best feature length animation since most of the movie was CGI, if it was all cgi they would have beaten Nemo.

As for best director or cinimatograpy I don't think they should have been nominated. The only thing good about the sequels were the FX, and even thoes grew tiresome after a while.

[Bigee04]

I think we all agree that there was no great travesty in leaving the Brothers out of the Best Director category last year, and that the only people who disagree with this are a handful of hardcore fanboys still clinging on to their dream that The Matrix trilogy won't go down as being thought badly off. People still don't like the last two films almost a year later, I highly doubt that that fact will ever change. Time to move on and stop making "Why does everyone hate the last two Matrix films?" threads. They're starting to get annoying.

[Chuckles]

Ahh I see. I had directing and cinematography mixed up. Well then they misdeserve it even more.

[taku]

So they deserved a nomination because Reloaded/Revolutions looked pretty? LMAO! Those two films were trash, and I completely blame the Wachowski's for that. No, they deserve nothing.

[Optimus Magnus]

Originally posted by spikethebloody
The siege of Zion alone is the most impressive visual effects achievement in history.

Bollocks it is

[PsYkOoOoO]

Originally posted by PsychoMike
The matrix movies should have been nominated for best visual effects some of the CGI stuff was really good, didn't they win for bestvisuals for the original Matrix?



Yeah.In fact,if im not wrong,it sweeped every category it was nominated for.I think it won Best Costume too?

Im not too sure.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by spikethebloody
It is a complete and utter travesty. Just b/c they refuse to kiss a$$ they get no respect. Peter Jackson was willing to pucker up to anyone willing to bend over. The brothers wachowski just make their movies and go home. Whether you like Reloaded/Revolutions or not one thing is not in dispute. The directing was once again a thing of beauty. They no how to use a camera.

Yeah! I should have been nominated too!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but stupid statement require stupid comment ;)

[PsYkOoOoO]

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
Yeah.In fact,if im not wrong,it sweeped every category it was nominated for.I think it won Best Costume too?

Im not too sure.

Ok.I was wrong.It didnt win.It won best visual effects though.

[Halofan1]

Originally posted by Bigee04
I think we all agree that there was no great travesty in leaving the Brothers out of the Best Director category last year, and that the only people who disagree with this are a handful of hardcore fanboys still clinging on to their dream that The Matrix trilogy won't go down as being thought badly off. People still don't like the last two films almost a year later, I highly doubt that that fact will ever change. Time to move on and stop making "Why does everyone hate the last two Matrix films?" threads. They're starting to get annoying.

*Sigh* I get annoyed at people bashing The Matrix films.

[spikethebloody]

The Wachowski Brothers are great directors. In Reloaded and Revolutions they once again broke new ground and provided great camera shots. In all three matrix films the story was told not only through the script but visually. They wrote and directed the films(PJ just adapted someone else's work).FACT: THEY HAD FINAL SAY ON EVERY SHOT INCLUDING THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CGI SHOTS! Yes tards someone says how the cgi will be shot. Just like someone directs shrek movies and anime. The Wachowskis directed the cgi shots. They storyboarded the entire trilogy for god's sakes! You people should really get informed before you say stupid things. You knock CGI then jump on Pj's crotch when the lotr trilogy was full of CGI as well. Are you really this stupid? Is anyone?

[Warren]

Fancy camera tricks or not, the Wachowski's didn't deserve a nomination over the five that got one.

[spikethebloody]

Originally posted by Warren
Fancy camera tricks or not, the Wachowski's didn't deserve a nomination over the five that got one.

I really don't see why Sofia Coppola deserved a nom.

[Bigee04]

Originally posted by Halofan1
*Sigh* I get annoyed at people bashing The Matrix films.

*Sigh* What about people stating the truth. At least we can agree that most of these Matrix threads are pointless, wether it's people trying to convince people the films were good, or people setting those people straight. Were there any gross mistatements in anything that I said?

[obsessedwithsnl]

there's more to directing than camera shots and cgi approving

[Warren]

Originally posted by spikethebloody
I really don't see why Sofia Coppola deserved a nom.

The directing in LiT was excellent. That movie was way better than Reloaded orRevolutions.

[neo5595]

The reason why Reloaded didnt get any noms is because the studio did not submit the film to the oscars. They thought Revolutions was the better film and they didnt want the films competing with eachother. Revolutions should have gotten noms for cinematography, visual effects, and directors. By the way I thought Revolutions was the better film, but it didnt have as good of cinematography as Reloaded.

[Necross]

Originally posted by Warren
The directing in LiT was excellent. That movie was way better than Reloaded orRevolutions.

Exactly, it was a very low budget movie and turned out to be one of the most critically acclaimed movies in history. Matrix Revolutions didn't break anything. The Matrix had the best story of the three, Reloaded had great CGI and other visiual effects. Neither of these were topped in Revolutions. The Seige of Zion was good but it still was not better than the highway chases scene from Reloaded. I don't think repeated shots of octopie machines over and over again is breakthrough. I mean the battle was basically the same thing the whole time. Like I said I liked it but it didn't evolve. The CGI in LOTR was better and teh Seige of Gondor changed. Orc army vs. Gondor Soldiers. Rohirrim arrive = Orc army vs. Gondor Soldire and Rohirrim. Haradrim. It eventually ends up Armies of Mordor and the Haradrim vs. Soldiers of Gondor, the Rohirrim, and the Army of the Dead. As opposed to Sentinels vs. ATUs (think thats their name)

[PsYkOoOoO]

Originally posted by neo5595
The reason why Reloaded didnt get any noms is because the studio did not submit the film to the oscars. They thought Revolutions was the better film and they didnt want the films competing with eachother. Revolutions should have gotten noms for cinematography, visual effects, and directors. By the way I thought Revolutions was the better film, but it didnt have as good of cinematography as Reloaded.

And those two's cinematography cannot be compared to The Matrix.

[The Red Avenger]

I agree, for "Bound."
...
RA

[Halofan1]

Did they deserve a nom? No. They weren't going to be nominated anyway.

However, they have crafted the most under-appriciated Trilogy of all time. I love this trilogy and if people would give the third film another chance they'd find out it was not bad at all. I've talked to people who gave it a second chance and liked it.

I really think Reloaded and Revolutions had too high expectations expected for them and there was no way they would satisfy them all.

[Boods]

Originally posted by Halofan1
I really think Reloaded and Revolutions had too high expectations expected for them and there was no way they would satisfy them all.

very agreed on this...which is why i though reloaded was really cool but then revolutions was a pile of crap imo..i seriously think the brothers dont deserve a best director nom cos the directing wasnt good at all imo..the return of the king had great directing..i hated lost in translation but i admit it had good directing by coppola but matrix movies were crap directing..the brothers are stupid idiots imo they think they could put so much shiite in a movie and people will be blown away cos they dont understand..i didnt get it at first but then i had it explained to me and it really isnt interesting...anywayz thats juts what i think...otherwise the first matrix was amazing !!

[Jspitalieri]

They should have gotten a Razzy Award. Affleck could have parted with one.

[Rizor]

I definitely dont think they should've gotten nominations for Reloaded or Revolutions. They're both GOOD movies, but not excellent at all. Camera work, special effects...who cares if they "know how to use it"? You don't see people demanding that George Lucas deserved the Oscar for Episodes I and II.

If you want somebody to be honored for the camerawork, then go rally support for the Director of Photography, Bill Pope.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by Halofan1
Did they deserve a nom? No. They weren't going to be nominated anyway.

However, they have crafted the most under-appriciated Trilogy of all time. I love this trilogy and if people would give the third film another chance they'd find out it was not bad at all. I've talked to people who gave it a second chance and liked it.

I really think Reloaded and Revolutions had too high expectations expected for them and there was no way they would satisfy them all.

I have tried and tried....i've seen it 3 times now...still dont like it any much. Its ok, but sure not as good as the 2 other. 1 was great, so was the 2nd....3rd didnt appeal to me....thats basicly it.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by obsessedwithsnl
there's more to directing than camera shots and cgi approving

Not many people seem to understand this :)

[fineus fog]

bill pope deserves the awrad
not those two dorks who dont have an an original idea in their heads
anyone seen 'Ghost in the Shell?" i sure as hell think the wankoffski bros have, and then they got on their little computers and conjured the pile of poo known as "The Matrix"

[neo5595]

Just to clear it up with all of you the first matrix had four noms and won them all. They were...

Best Sound
Best Sound-effects editing
Best Editing
Best Visual Effects

[stage_tempest]

Not sure about the direction nomination, SFX- yes. I mean there was very few times where the CGI really sucked, unlike for example SW2 when Anakin rides that oversized cow thing, or in the FOTR when Legolas jumps on the back of the troll cave thing.
There was very little in effects that did not seem real and in revolutions when the mountain of machines comes towards Neo and Trin was pretty impressive.

[Andrey83]

Yeah, they might have deseverd a nom for their effects, but not win it...

[neo5595]

I know someone wrote this earlier but how was peter pan up for visual effects and revolutions not? I might just rent peter pan just to examine the FX.

[spikethebloody]

Originally posted by neo5595
I know someone wrote this earlier but how was peter pan up for visual effects and revolutions not? I might just rent peter pan just to examine the FX.

It is a complete travesty.