EPISODE III TITLE its here!!!!

[Ethan Hunt]

I found this .

ok a few points first.

* this is the title of Episode 3 as of right now & I know this with 100% certainty.

* no I cannot prove that this is the title. Nor can I reveal the source from which I made this discovery. All I can say is that it is from a source here in Sydney & it is as reliable as you can get, save being from the mouth of a Lucas or McCallum etc.


Having said this, I am fully aware that no-one will take this seriously or believe it to be true. I'm not able or willing to provide any evidence so therefore you're all perfectly entitled to scoff, deride, & dismiss this entire post.

The only reason I'm revealing what I found out only a few hrs ago is to hopefully have it placed on the record so that in a couple of months when this title is revealed you can all kiss my a$$ & apologise & pay homage to the fact that I was the 1st to brake this awesome piece of info. Also I figure that since I found this out there will be many more people who are informed of this in the coming days & weeks.

So without further delay here is the title of Episode 3:

The Dawn of Tyranny

Now, let your sarcasm & mocking commence, but just remember it will all come back to you with interest in a couple of months!

[Tornado]

It's possible that this is the title, Lucas does have a nice track-record of making bad titles . . .

Personally I hate the Tyranny part, because the average person doesn't know what Tyranny means (I do though, but I'm not the average person) . . .

[Sock-Man]

I like that title. But at the same time I hate it. It doesn't sound very good when you say it.

It's interesting though.

[droidguy1119]

I thought all hopes were lost when The Creeping Fear wasn't the final title, but it looks as if I can go back to mocking the title again. Hooray! :p

[carnage4u]

Originally posted by Tornado
It's possible that this is the title, Lucas does have a nice track-record of making bad titles . . .

Personally I hate the Tyranny part, because the average person doesn't know what Tyranny means (I do though, but I'm not the average person) . . .

Your not the average person? Are you better or worse then the average person?

[G-Matrix]

mm it is ok...but not good enough...at least it is better than Attack of the clones

[LordofKings]

I like it, but i wish for Empire to be in the title. But its a epic title, and a good one.

STAR WARS: EPISODE 3 --- THE DAWN OF TYRANNY

[Chasticism]

I like the Creeping Fear better...

[superxero88]

Maybe Lucas is trying to promote literacy among idiots, by including a word such as "tyranny" in the title of his movie.

[Kinjo]

Well....it could be.....that's just the awful kind of title GL is known for.

[Boro]

i honestly think this title sucks.

but it is better then 'the creeping fear'

[Brock Landers]

The title sucks, but it's not as bad as "The Creeping Fear" or, dare I say, "Attack of the Clones".....

[fineus fog]

I think its not as cheesy as AOTC but it still sucks ass

[dustindame]

I dont like the Tyranny part either.

[krazy_marco74]

The Dawn of Tyranny isn't really that good, but at least its not as bad as The Creeping Fear

[Tornado]

Originally posted by carnage4u
Your not the average person? Are you better or worse then the average person?

LOL, no I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that I have a immense vocabulary, but some people (not neccessarily anyone in particular, but you'd have to figure that some people wouldn't) don't know what Tyranny means . . .

[eclipsedman]

Just for the average person-


A government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power.
The office, authority, or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler.
Absolute power, especially when exercised unjustly or cruelly: “I have sworn... eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” (Thomas Jefferson).

Use of absolute power.
A tyrannical act.
Extreme harshness or severity; rigor.




tyranny

1. The government or authority of a tyrant; a country governed by an absolute ruler; hence, arbitrary or despotic exercise of power; exercise of power over subjects and others with a rigor not authorized by law or justice, or not requisite for the purposes of government.

``Sir,'' would he [Seneca] say, ``an emperor mote need Be virtuous and hate tyranny.'' --Chaucer.

2. Cruel government or discipline; as, the tyranny of a schoolmaster.

3. Severity; rigor; inclemency.

The tyranny of the open night's too rough For nature to endure. --Shak.


tyranny

1: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.) [syn: dictatorship, absolutism, authoritarianism, Caesarism, despotism, monocracy, one-man rule, shogunate, Stalinism, totalitarianism] 2: dominance through threat of punishment and violence [syn: absolutism, despotism]

[todd philip]

I like it, sort of.

but i'll just wait and see!

[JBond]

Nah, not enough kids will know what "tyranny" means.

[Freelow]

Originally posted by JBond
Nah, not enough kids will know what "tyranny" means.

This did not enter my head until you posted this.

Lucas was so intent on making this trilogy kid friendly, see Jar Jar Binks, that I doubt he will create a title that kids will have to have explained to them.

[Tornado]

It didn't enter your head Freelow? LOL, that was my whole point in my first post in this thread (2nd from the top) . . .

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by JBond
Nah, not enough kids will know what "tyranny" means. Including George himself.

[Miasma]

The average person doesn't know what tyranny means? Jeez, that's a sad, sad commentary on the education system. Unless you're referring to the average three-year old.

(anyway, we already saw Darth Tyrannus, which is obviously derived from tyranny.)

Whether or not this info is legit... who knows? As a title it's okay, but a bit clunky. Could be worse, could be better. At least it's not obvious like "Rise Of The Empire" or "Fall Of The Jedi."

[Kinjo]

TFN is putting its money on "Birth of the Empire." I'll go with them over some random dude on CS.net (no offense)

[Rocketboy]

Originally posted by Miasma
The average person doesn't know what tyranny means? Jeez, that's a sad, sad commentary on the education system. Unless you're referring to the average three-year old.

(anyway, we already saw Darth Tyrannus, which is obviously derived from tyranny.)

Whether or not this info is legit... who knows? As a title it's okay, but a bit clunky. Could be worse, could be better. At least it's not obvious like "Rise Of The Empire" or "Fall Of The Jedi." That's pretty much what I was going to say. The Tyrannus/Tyranny thing seemed obvious from the first second I read this title.

[LordofKings]

Originally posted by Kinjo
TFN is putting its money on "Birth of the Empire." I'll go with them over some random dude on CS.net (no offense)

Exactly...thats why I created a thread with that title and the link to the article. I will wait for this to be confirmed. Ilike "Birth of an Empire" better then this new one

[Ethan Hunt]

Well like i said im not forcing this title on anyone but you better get used to it. Because if you remember when TPM was due out before the title was out everyone said the title was "CHILD OF THE FORCE" and in the last min GL changed it. So dont get your hopes up that BIRTH OF AN EMPIRE is it. Sorry.

[Kinjo]

Tyranny is too cryptic.

[LordofKings]

"Child of the Force" was the rumored title of EP:1? i always wondered what names everyone was guessing. What other names were rumored for EP: 1 AND 2?

what does every1 think of Child of the Force? I kind of like it...

[todd philip]

Originally posted by Frizzo the Clown
Including George himself.

Nah, not enough kids will know what "tyranny" means.

http://www.home.no/nekholm/pics/funny/forumpics/homolucas-b0nd.jpg



;) :p

[LordofKings]

BIG NEWS!!!


CONFIRMATION OF THE TITLE!!!!! (maybe)


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004223126,,00.html

[Miasma]

Originally posted by LordofKings
"Child of the Force" was the rumored title of EP:1? i always wondered what names everyone was guessing. What other names were rumored for EP: 1 AND 2?

what does every1 think of Child of the Force? I kind of like it...

"CHild of The Force" is okay, but it's another (yawn) "____ of The ___" title.

As bad as TPM sounded when it first came out, it IS pretty original and descriptive.
Other rumored titles were "The Beginning" and "Balance Of The Force".

The working title for Episode 2, as most fans know, was "Jar Jar's Big Adventure" (yes, I'm serious... but of course LucasFilm was kidding around and it was never intended to be the real title.)

[true fan11212]

Miasma: The Beginning was the working title for Episode I. If you watch the Beginning documentary on the Ep I DVD, when Lucas is watching a rough cut of TPM, the opening scrowl has the title The Beginning.

[LordofKings]

what were other rumored title's for ep:1 and 2? im just curious to see if there were obvivious choices. I really like "The Beginning" for some reason, but ilove "The Phantom Menace" as a title....

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by LordofKings
BIG NEWS!!!


CONFIRMATION OF THE TITLE!!!!! (maybe)


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004223126,,00.html

Ahhh, The Sun! A veeery reliable source, a British tabloid no less! ;)

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by JBond
Nah, not enough kids will know what "tyranny" means.

If they are too stupid to understand Tyranny then they wouldnt understand Clones either :)

[Juxton]

Originally posted by Ethan Hunt
Well like i said im not forcing this title on anyone but you better get used to it. Because if you remember when TPM was due out before the title was out everyone said the title was "CHILD OF THE FORCE" and in the last min GL changed it. So dont get your hopes up that BIRTH OF AN EMPIRE is it. Sorry.

By your own words, the Tyranny title may not be the final one, either. Like you said, Lucas could change it at the last minute.

I personally like the title.

[Inferno]

As long as it doesn't have the words "Empire" or "Jedi" or "of the". Let's be a little bit original, ok? I could live with BOT as a title. It's everything that comes after the title I'm worried about.

[Inferno]

"Fall of the Empire of the Jedi and the Rise of the Phantom Menance with the Clones Who Attacked"

[Ethan Hunt]

All i knows is that the title will be annoused Soon, VERY SOON.

[Tornado]

Coming from who Ethan? You don't have any sources, a lot of what you've provided us with has turned out to be complete bull . . .

[Ethan Hunt]

Originally posted by Tornado
Coming from who Ethan? You don't have any sources, a lot of what you've provided us with has turned out to be complete bull . . .

Like what because from where im standing episode 3 aint out yet so it cant be bull can it.

and were are your souece's,. Oh thats right your bum chum jdill whos been kicked of the boards because he talks s**t and he talked so much s**t it ended up being a big pile of crap. Nice one

[spiderman_2k]

Easy there.

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by Ethan Hunt
he talks s**t and he talked so much s**t it ended up being a big pile of crap.

Lamest sentance ever.

[Ethan Hunt]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Lamest sentance ever.

Who cares, about Lamest sentence ever What you think im trying to impress you, Make you laugh maybe, NO i told you before Whats been written is whats going to happen in episode 3 PROVE ME WRONG.

[spiderman_2k]

Prove yourself right.

At the moment you cannot, and I cant prove you wrong.

[Bowl Of Fat]

I would have prefered, "Ani' Gets His Freak On" but hey whatever. . . . .

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Prove yourself right.

At the moment you cannot, and I cant prove you wrong.

Why cares spidy? If you dont believe it then dont. if you do, then do. It aint worse then that ;)

Noone can prove anything untill the movie is out...Not even GL...Maybe he is ****ting with everyone :)

So, there are no proves untill the movie is out...Untill then, enjoy some speculations and stop being so negative all the time....

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by Andrey83
Why cares spidy? If you dont believe it then dont. if you do, then do. It aint worse then that ;)

Noone can prove anything untill the movie is out...Not even GL...Maybe he is ****ting with everyone :)

So, there are no proves untill the movie is out...Untill then, enjoy some speculations and stop being so negative all the time....

Clearly he cares as he asked me to prove him wrong.

Dont see how im being negative all the time because I dont actually believe what this guy says.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Dont see how im being negative all the time because I dont actually believe what this guy says.

Oh, i didnt meen only you :)

I ment everyone. Every single time someone finds/gets some news about something, that person is always bashed on these boards.....thats my point. Not directly you. I ment you as in all ;)

[Andrey83]

I rest my case Ty :)

[spiderman_2k]

Didn't only one person "rip" into him before his little outburst?

Everyone else seemed pretty nice and calm about dismissing it.

Sure 1 person is too many but im just saying that before one users comments things were pretty peaceful in here..Which is pretty suprising.

[spiderman_2k]

No-one really ripped into him then...I certainly didn't, his post was pretty funny and I thought I would comment on it in a non insulting way, then he asked me to prove him wrong which I knew I couldnt so the only thing that can really be said is prove yourself right...So there was really no "ripping" (I dont like that word) afterwards even.

[JackBauer]

why oh why did i enter this thread :(

[Andrey83]

i dont know JB, why dont you ask him? :)

*JB: "who is "him"?"*

hmmmm

[JackBauer]

to ask the thread? :D

well, i kinda know what's the title gonna be (eventually) and thats not good. :( i expected, DAWN OF THE EMPIRE or something like that

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by TyRoss
Sooooooo.....

You weren't making fun of him with this post?

No I was pointing out my observation of the particular comment, I didn't aim anything at the user himself only the funny comment he used...I never said I wasn't making fun of him, which I actually didnt, I made fun of the comment.

[todd philip]

'Episode III' Now Has a Name, Says Magazine


The final Star Wars movie (Episode III) will be titled Birth of the Empire, Britain's Empire magazine reported on its website today (Thursday). The publication quoted an unnamed source as saying that the highlight of the movie is a battle between Ewan McGregor, playing Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Hayden Christensen, playing Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader while maneuvering small platforms on lava as if they were surfing. Lucasfilm has not commented on the report.

[neo5595]

hi

[LordofKings]

That final battle, while they will be surfing on Lava, is going to be f**king amazing. Something just great to see, it will be

[Malitos_Sahkir]

Birth of an Empire eh? Would've prefered Dawn but it's an alright title.

[Sock-Man]

The Sun newspaper said the exact same thing. I really hope this is not true. The title is fine, a little boring maybe but it's better than Attack of the Clones.

But surfing on lava??? You think that's going to be amazing?? This is meant to be a dark, powerful and emotional battle, made exciting "by the betrayal not the special effects".
Surfing on lava?? That's like something out of a kiddies movie. Why not have them break into a little musical number while they're at it?

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Ethan Hunt
Like what because from where im standing episode 3 aint out yet so it cant be bull can it.

and were are your souece's,. Oh thats right your bum chum jdill whos been kicked of the boards because he talks s**t and he talked so much s**t it ended up being a big pile of crap. Nice one

Hey man, go back and look at what jpdill posted, some of his stuff is right on the money, I'll admit that some of his stuff was way out there and most likely wrong, but a lot of that stuff you posted that you claimed as yours was on theforce.net a while back.

And lose the attitude, punk. ;)

[Partyman343]

Wouldn't it make more sense to just name it . . .

"Dawn of the Empire"

[adt100]

Originally posted by Sock-Man
The Sun newspaper said the exact same thing. I really hope this is not true. The title is fine, a little boring maybe but it's better than Attack of the Clones.

But surfing on lava??? You think that's going to be amazing?? This is meant to be a dark, powerful and emotional battle, made exciting "by the betrayal not the special effects".
Surfing on lava?? That's like something out of a kiddies movie. Why not have them break into a little musical number while they're at it?

That's the first thing I thought! Hopefully though it will be better than it sounds.

[adt100]

Originally posted by Partyman343
Wouldn't it make more sense to just name it . . .

"Dawn of the Empire"

Because that would be just a touch too good for a SW title (plus the fact that Lucas always likes to pick a title that hasn't been spread around the 'net for months before hand and 'surprise' us. :D )

[JackBauer]

geez, i love the SW movies but calling it "birth of the empire"?? even "Star Whores" sounds better...

[Tornado]

Ehhh, I don't know about that one Jack...

[zamphir66]

"birth of an empire" sounds an awful lot like "birth of a nation"

i hope this film isn't racist.

[Jspitalieri]

The first one was accused of being racist.

[Miasma]

Originally posted by Jspitalieri
The first one was accused of being racist.

So was pretty much everything else that ever existed.

[Freelow]

Originally posted by JackBauer
geez, i love the SW movies but calling it "birth of the empire"?? even "Star Whores" sounds better...

Hmmmm....Star Wars: Episode 2 - Star Whores

Has a nice ring to it. It would definately make it more for the adult fans of the series.

[Miasma]

There MUST be a porno movie called Star Whores... I mean, if they can have "Romancing the Bone," surely they have "Star Whores"

[adnamasevoltam]

if this is the title...so be it i guess. its not the WORST possible title, but by far nothing special.......AT ALL. AOTC just pisses me off b/c its just so....stupid. i mean...ive learned to accept it, and The Dawn of Tyranny is no where near as bad, but still. why cant they go back to how the old trilogy was, or even episode one. those titles all worked in portraying, in just a few words, what the movies felt like and what happend in them. maybe Lucas is trying to get away from the retarded dumbed down AOTC title by using nifty words.....how stupid.

[Boro]

dawn of an empire

[Inferno]

Genesis of the Empire
Day of the Empire
The Evil of the Empire
The Empire's Masterplan
Revelation of the Empire
The Power of the Empire

Destiny of the Republic
Death to the Republic

[Miasma]

:lol:
Funny titles, Inferno... I could almost see Lucas going for something like one of those (hey, he used "Attack Of The Clones," so why not?)

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

In the dvd trailer, it says the title is STAR WARS EPISODE III: THE RETURN OF DARTH VADER. :p

[G-Matrix]

Death by Dawn

[Necross]

*sigh* I don't like the name but meh, the movie should kick ass. I have liked every single star wars movie thus far.

[Inferno]

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
In the dvd trailer, it says the title is STAR WARS EPISODE III: THE RETURN OF DARTH VADER. :p

Ah, just the kind of continuity f-up Lucas would throw at us.

[todd philip]

Today someone on hyperspace that helps run the star wars site said something refering to BIRTH OF THE EMPIRE. That I QUOTE

This is not the title. The title will be on this site first, and not a SOUL will see it coming. Just like AOTC. Just like TPM.

Not to mention that this is a terrible title. Besides the obvious bad use of the word "Empire" twice, the allusion is all wrong. The only "birth" in this movie is the twins, and they're the new hope, not the Empire. It's all mixed up.

[Inferno]

I agree with the above. It will be something completely out of the blue, and completely lame.

[eclipsedman]

In an article on the main page of Coming Soon it said GL said the name has already been mentioned on the net, either it was true or he was trying to throw us of the trail.

Here it is

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George Lucas Talks Star Wars: Episode III Title Source: USA Today Tuesday, June 15, 2004



USA Today caught up with George Lucas who said the Star Wars: Episode III title won't be officially announced until November, when the first trailer hits threaters.

But he conceded that fans on websites already have guessed correctly. The newspaper threw a couple of rumored titles at him: Rise of the Empire? "No, that's not it," Lucas said. How about Revenge of the Sith?

With that, Lucas smiled knowingly, backed away and teased, "That's a possibility. Lots of titles out there."

Thanks to TheForce.net for the alert.

[Miasma]

Well, either that means it's Revenge of The Sith (which would be sort of lame and predictable), OR it means he didn't want to enter into a long-winded guessing game that would ultimately reveal the real title.

[dustindame]

On the new article on CS! with George Lucas, it sounds like the title might be Revenge of the Sith.

[spiderman_2k]

I dont like Revenge Of The Sith...It sort of fits in with Return Of The Jedi...but I still dont like it

[tiff_t_t]

He was backing off the game, not giving out the answer. If he was, what a lame effing way to announce it. There will be more frills when the REAL title is revealed.

[LordofKings]

Imagine how cool it will be for the first people to see the trailers come November. Imagine sitting in the theater and then the teaser plays, and then you wait and at the end you FINALLY see the title. I would have a heartattack of excitement.

I wonder what it could be....so many possiblities. I like Revenge of the Sith, one of my favs

[Boods]

I dont like any titles proposed above but i am not saying i got a better one..i just hope lucas comes out with a great one !! all the things in the title are possible title meanings but they need to be better said..for example i liked the tile : the phantom menace. something cool like that would be great...

by the way i agree with the above that would be cool to see the title for the first time in the theater watching the new trailer in november !!

[LordofKings]

How lucky are those first fans going to be when the trailer plays for the VERY first time of whatever its attached to.

Hell, if its attached to The Incredibles, i will surely be there on opening night, first possible show (ill sneak in and watch the trailer and maybe stick around;)

[Miasma]

Originally posted by LordofKings
How lucky are those first fans going to be when the trailer plays for the VERY first time of whatever its attached to.

Hell, if its attached to The Incredibles, i will surely be there on opening night, first possible show (ill sneak in and watch the trailer and maybe stick around;)

Hmmm... I don't know if you'd really want to do that. I mean, look at how lame the "Breathing" teaser was for AOTC. Imagine how anyone who spent money to see that bit of nothingness must have felt!

EDIT-- I'll probably see The Incredibles anyway just because I like those types of movies.

[LordofKings]

Yes, but you forgot i said i would "sneak" into the showing;)

i would never pay for a trailer (im just too finacially in trouble to do so)

[neo5595]

George Lucas Talks Star Wars: Episode III Title Source: USA Today Tuesday, June 15, 2004



USA Today caught up with George Lucas who said the Star Wars: Episode III title won't be officially announced until November, when the first trailer hits threaters.

But he conceded that fans on websites already have guessed correctly. The newspaper threw a couple of rumored titles at him: Rise of the Empire? "No, that's not it," Lucas said. How about Revenge of the Sith?

With that, Lucas smiled knowingly, backed away and teased, "That's a possibility. Lots of titles out there."

Thanks to TheForce.net for the alert.


This was just reported on comingsoon. I believe Lucas that its already on the net. There are some good names floating around.

[LordofKings]

Still a chance for Dawn of an/the Empire:)

[adt100]

I hope to god it's not 'Dawn of Tyranny' or 'The Creeping Fear'. :o

[Ethan Hunt]

I'll have money on "DAWN OF TYRANNY" OR " FATE OF THE REPUBLIC"

[neo5595]

Originally posted by Ethan Hunt
I'll have money on "DAWN OF TYRANNY" OR " FATE OF THE REPUBLIC"
likewise

[JAE]

Revenge of the Sith would be appropriate. It mirrors ROTJ and that would be very "Lucas".

[Tornado]

Originally posted by LordofKings
Still a chance for Dawn of an/the Empire:)

We can only hope.

[adt100]

Only a fool's hope I fear. :(

[todd philip]

Originally posted by Ethan Hunt
I'll have money on "DAWN OF TYRANNY" OR " FATE OF THE REPUBLIC" Pabs who runs the star wars web site has said that THERE ARE NOT THE TITLES!

[Kinjo]

Revenge of the Sith - perfection

[LordofKings]

I do like Revenge of the Sith....sounds perfect for the Title

[Inferno]

Yeah, I'd go for that title to. Fits the style and doesn't sound too goofy. (And presumably fits the story since the Jedi will be almost destroyed in the movie).

...although it does mean two "of the's" in one trilogy.

[fineus fog]

thats exactly what i predicted 1 year ago

yahoo

[LordofKings]

i can care les about the "of the" because the title is a good choice IMO, and thats all that matters

[fineus fog]

yep thats right lok

[neo5595]

I left for a couple of hours and when I come back I get this? You guys really care about "of the" in the title?

[Dogbert0228]

Just a little background from 2 years ago...

For Episode II, Lucas also said the title would be announced in November, but then it went public August 6th... Maybe there's hope yet for an early announcement :)

[neo5595]

thats cool:).

[Tornado]

Originally posted by adt100
Only a fool's hope I fear. :(

I'm afraid that's probably true.

[jordanos-pso]

i thought the title was already confirmed?

[LordofKings]

nope....and r u on shadow mode again?

[jordanos-pso]

*eyes dart*

[Inferno]

Originally posted by neo5595
I left for a couple of hours and when I come back I get this? You guys really care about "of the" in the title?

No, I don't care, but I thought Lucas might.

[LordofKings]

why do i hear "some people" worried about the use of OF THE being used 2ce in a trilogy? IN LOTR "OF THE" was used twice in Fellowship of the ring and Return of the King.

i see no problem in another Of The

[jordanos-pso]

doesnt matter. titles dont make a movie. the movie makes the movie.

[LordofKings]

exactly, and everyone justs makes too big of a deal over this.

hell, i think Empire Strikes Back is the just as bad as Attack of the Clones, though it makes more sense, but i don't like that title and its prob my fav of the films. ESB is very chessy and corny IMO of course

I will say this though, no matter how much people hate the title: Attack of the Clones, like i heard on a talk show or something when that title was announced, it may not be the best title but it rolls of the tounge very nicely and easily. I remember reports saying how everyone hated the title but it was very easy to say and sounded good.

[Miasma]

Originally posted by LordofKings
why do i hear "some people" worried about the use of OF THE being used 2ce in a trilogy? IN LOTR "OF THE" was used twice in Fellowship of the ring and Return of the King.

i see no problem in another Of The

I would prefer not to see "of the." I know it doesn't matter, and I won't really care much if it's used, but I just think it's an overused technique to make things sound dramatic. As you said, it's used twice in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy (not to mention in the name of the trilogy itself.) And so far it's used in two out of five SW films and one third of the Indiana Jones films.

But I think what bothers me more, oddly enough, is that so many fans are locked into the "___ of the ____" phrasing when trying to guess the next title. Whenever I see a thread about title speculation, roughly 90% of the guesses are "___ of the ___", despite the fact that even Lucas only used that syntax for two fifths of the series, so far. It's almost as if people forget that there are other possible syntaxes ("A New Hope", "The Empire Strikes Back," and "The Phantom Menace.")

Anyway, I guess it boils down to this-- I'd prefer not to see "___ of The ___" again because it's become a cliche (not just within the SW films, as you pointed out). But if the movie is good, I can overlook any title.

(and yes, "The Empire Strikes Back" was a pretty cheesy title.... but SW was always intended to be kind of cheesy in that way, especially back then, before Lucas started to pretend it was all deeply profound stuff.)

[Andy_R]

Guys, I think we have enough to worry about with episode 3. i.e. fixing problems w/ acting, directing, jar jar etc.

The title of the movie should be the least of our worries.

[LordofKings]

Originally posted by Miasma
(and yes, "The Empire Strikes Back" was a pretty cheesy title.... but SW was always intended to be kind of cheesy in that way, especially back then, before Lucas started to pretend it was all deeply profound stuff.)

i just want to comment on this quickly. You stated what everyone knows - star wars has always and is cheesy in a way, then why does everyone complain about the chessy dialogue and such of the prequels.

I really believe, and we all know bandwagons happen, that everyone just hopped on the bashing of the prequels bandwagon, because they are so much alike the orginals in their own way, well IMO at least

[Miasma]

Originally posted by LordofKings
i just want to comment on this quickly. You stated what everyone knows - star wars has always and is cheesy in a way, then why does everyone complain about the chessy dialogue and such of the prequels.

I really believe, and we all know bandwagons happen, that everyone just hopped on the bashing of the prequels bandwagon, because they are so much alike the orginals in their own way, well IMO at least

I know what you're saying, but the way the OT handled the cheese-factor and the way the PT handles the cheese-factor is different.
First, in the OT, the delivery of the terrible lines was often better. Somehow, miraculously, Harrison Ford was able to say "Laugh it up, fuzzball" with some conviction. Natalie Portman can't do this. Of course, neither could Mark Hamill, but overall, the acting in the prequels is worse, IMO. I think this is partly due to the fact that Lucas began to take the series too seriously in some respects, and almost forgot that it was all supposed to be "a big-budget B-movie." As he started doing the prequels, it seems like he began viewing it all as some kind of deeply profound modern-day mythology. Consequently, he decided the characters could no longer speak normally, but instead had to resort to quasi-Shakespearean dialoque (and for some reason, he won't allow them to use contractions... I hate hearing Padme say "That is something I can not do!" in the heat of an argument. It's fine in formal circumstances, but when she's supposed to be passionate about something, just say "can't", please!) So, yes, the PT is still cheesy, but I'm not sure how much of it is intentional. Intentional cheesiness is fine, unintentional cheesiness isn't. (wow, how many times can I use the word "cheesy" in one post?)

Granted, there are some "profound" moments in the OT, too. Like on Dagobah when Luke says, "I don't believe it!" and Yoda replies, "That is why you fail." But somehow, that scene really worked. I can't pinpoint why it worked better than scenes in the PT, all I know is that my first instinct upon hearing that exchange was a good one, whereas my first instinct upon hearing many exchanges in the PT is just to cringe. It's not that I'm consciously saying, "Let's rip apart the PT!" Quite the contrary, actually... when I went to see Episodes 1 and 2, I went in fully prepared to enjoy it all, but somehow, they just didn't work on the same level as the OT did. It's almost as if Lucas is trying too hard to give the films depth, and yet keeps coming up short, as opposed to in the OT when he strived to create fun, cheesy, popcorn movies and occasionally struck gold with a slightly more resonant moment here and there.

[adt100]

Originally posted by LordofKings
I do like Revenge of the Sith....sounds perfect for the Title

I don't mind that title too much, but I'd prefer it not to be the title for 2 reasons -

i) The idea of using the 'Sith' in the title gives a little too much prominance to a group that are not that heavily referenced by any of the films before in name. Unlike 'Empire', 'Jedi' etc this could seem a little unclear and even misleading to causal viewers rather than dedicated SW fans.

ii) It seems just too similar in tone to Episodes 5 and 6, The Empire Strikes Back and The Return of the Jedi.

[Dilophosaurus89]

Quite unexpected, but its at least a decent title. I was hopeing it wasn't some lame title like Rise of the Empire or Fall of the Jedi. Too predictable and simplistic.

[Hypestyle]

Rise of the Empire would be better..

[padawan331]

I think it should be Rise of the Empire!

[Tornado]

*cough* Dawn of an Empire *cough*

[Miasma]

"Dawn Of An Empire" remains my favorite too. Just to make it sound a bit more epic, I'd go for "The Dawn Of An Empire."
I also wouldn't mind something that used a different syntax, like "An Empire's Dawn."

[Tornado]

Well yeah, I meant to put the "THE" in there, I just forgot.

[Boro]

rise of an empire, *****es

[Laterose]

If I was to name it (sarcastic): The **** hits the fan :D

Seriously, maybe something like: "The Birth of Darkness"

[LordofKings]

I also like somthing along the lines of:

The Empire Rises

[zide56]

Gee, I thought the word "menace" was hard. Really, people. This story is BS.

[Drizzt240]

Sounds like a crappy title to me Tod has come up with some better ones.

[Ethan Hunt]

REVENGE OF THE SITH is the only title tht has a chance coz it has a lot to do with what the sith have been trying to do for the last 2000 years.

[Johnnys Apples]

Here's my ideas for a title:

Episode III: The Death of the Trilogy

Ep III: It's Finally Over

Ep III: Darth Maul Come Back

Ep III: Death Becomes Gungans

Ep III: Attack of the Bad Actors

Ep III: Revenge of the CGI


Just a few of the many that I would recommend for this one.

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Ethan Hunt
REVENGE OF THE SITH is the only title tht has a chance coz it has a lot to do with what the sith have been trying to do for the last 2000 years.

It's not it, it's probably going to be "The Rise of the Empire".

[Jspitalieri]

Rumors that are going around say that the marketing material that has been reviewed to some outlets are using some variation with the word revenge in the title.

[Sock-Man]

Well when someone asked Lucas about Revenge of the Sith, from what was written about his reaction he sounded like he tried to hide something. That's what I've got my money on.

[Miasma]

Originally posted by Sock-Man
Well when someone asked Lucas about Revenge of the Sith, from what was written about his reaction he sounded like he tried to hide something. That's what I've got my money on.

Either that, or he was trying to avoid getting into a long-winded discussion over a fact that he didn't want to reveal just yet. As I recall, the person asked Lucas, "Is the title Rise Of The Empire?" and Lucas said, "No, that's not it." Then the person asked, "Is it Revenge of The Sith," and Lucas said, "That's a possibility... there are a lot of titles out there." Then he walked away. So, maybe it IS Revenge of The Sith, but it could also be interpreted that he just wanted to end the conversation.
I guess we'll know in another month or so.

[JAE]

well,revenge of the sith is registered as a domain.

[Tornado]

EDIT - Nevermind. NI.

[Alien]

Does this mean we have a title?

http://216.67.236.158/news/images/7-04/epiiicardv4.jpg

http://216.67.236.158/image.pl?/news/images/7-04/epiiicardv4.jpg

Oh and why is that a toy of Princess Leia?

[spiderman_2k]

Looks like a fake toy to me.

[Tornado]

That's a toy of Leia Alien, because next year they are re-releasing the toys from the OT and they probably just decided to release them in EP III boxes.

[flukeman]

Looks like a pretty mannish Leia :)

It also looks like someone just slapped that Ep III title on the image in Photoshop, so I wouldn't bet on that title yet.

[Alien]

Originally posted by Tornado
That's a toy of Leia Alien, because next year they are re-releasing the toys from the OT and they probably just decided to release them in EP III boxes. Seems kinda dodgy to me

[Sock-Man]

That is a fake. Vader has been tampered with in photoshop, and the rise of the empire does look like it's just been stuck on. I think someone's just experimented with the packaging from that jigsaw box.

[adt100]

Revenge of the Sith is still just totally wrong for the title IMO.

I mean, revenge for what exactly, and what part have the 'Sith' really played to such a great extent in Episodes 1 and 2 that the lay audience will associate with?

I mean, we all know about the Empire, about Vader, about the Jedi, but the 'Sith' as an entity? Just doesn't seem quite right.

[808sighON]

Originally posted by adt100
Revenge of the Sith is still just totally wrong for the title IMO.

I mean, revenge for what exactly, and what part have the 'Sith' really played to such a great extent in Episodes 1 and 2 that the lay audience will associate with?

I mean, we all know about the Empire, about Vader, about the Jedi, but the 'Sith' as an entity? Just doesn't seem quite right.


thats exactly what im thinkin. revenge of what? what happened to the sith in the first two movies that they have to take revenge for. nothing has happened in the first two that revenge is needed.

[Inferno]

Originally posted by Sock-Man
That is a fake. Vader has been tampered with in photoshop, and the rise of the empire does look like it's just been stuck on. I think someone's just experimented with the packaging from that jigsaw box.

Yeah, no question, it's fake. For one thing any real toy packaging would have the manufacturers name stamped all over it, and details of its "kung fu action punch".

[Alien]

Originally posted by adt100
I mean, revenge for what exactly, and what part have the 'Sith' really played to such a great extent in Episodes 1 and 2 that the lay audience will associate with?Didn't Yoda say that the Sith had been wiped out thousands of years ago? Then he went on to say the rule of 2 which makes so sense. He said there could only be 2 Sith, a master and an apprentice what about when the apprentice becomes a master doesn't that then make 4? 2 masters and 2 apprentices? Can't a Sith apprentices become a master without killing his teacher?

[Tornado]

Originally posted by flukeman
It also looks like someone just slapped that Ep III title on the image in Photoshop, so I wouldn't bet on that title yet.

On second look, that is most likely correct. I think this might be the picture that should actually be there:

http://www.rebelscum.com/images/OTCheader.gif

But without most of the black space.

[Sock-Man]

Originally posted by Alien
Didn't Yoda say that the Sith had been wiped out thousands of years ago? Then he went on to say the rule of 2 which makes so sense. He said there could only be 2 Sith, a master and an apprentice what about when the apprentice becomes a master doesn't that then make 4? 2 masters and 2 apprentices? Can't a Sith apprentices become a master without killing his teacher?

No they have to kill their master and then take a new apprentice. All part of the secrecy rule i think.

[LordofKings]

he never said their can't be more then 1 pair of 2 siths, if you know what i mean.

The rule is, 1 master, 1 apprentice

there can't be 2 apprentinces and 1 master.

But he never said their can't be 100 Masters, each with 1 apprentice.

At least thats how i took it.

ALSO, when was it stated that there were Thousands of Siths? There could have only been 2 for all that time.

[Miasma]

I think the problem is that there's a lot of EU being mixed up with things. The movies don't really state anything other than that there's "always a master and an apprentice." The novelization of "The Phantom Menace" delves into this a little bit further, stating that the sith started doing this because they kept wiping each other out before (morons). I think it alluded to the idea of there being thousands of Sith, but I really can't remember for sure. Supposedly everything in the novelization was approved by Lucas, so I guess we can consider it legit.

[LordofKings]

Ok, so there once was Thousands of Siths, and then they changed their ways, because they kept fighting each other.

So, now theres 1 master and 1 apprentice.

So, in other words, what Yoda said in TPM was TRUE and CORRECT

[adt100]

Excuse my ignorance, but what does 'EU' mean in reference to Star Wars?

[Tornado]

Expanded Universe

[adt100]

Ah, thanks. It keeps reminding me of 'European Union' :o

[Tornado]

No problemo. :)

[hei1spawn1]

http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/sw3title.jpg

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=5687


Well Ethan your ass was wrong. Have a nice day

[Ethan Hunt]

Originally posted by Ethan Hunt
REVENGE OF THE SITH is the only title tht has a chance coz it has a lot to do with what the sith have been trying to do for the last 2000 years.

Yes as i see my ass was wrong. Dumbass

[eclipsedman]

So without further delay here is the title of Episode 3:

The Dawn of Tyranny

Now, let your sarcasm & mocking commence, but just remember it will all come back to you with interest in a couple of months!


According to your first post that started this thread you were. I won't mock you yet I will let others do that.

[Inferno]

Originally posted by hei1spawn1
http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/sw3title.jpg

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=5687


Well Ethan your ass was wrong. Have a nice day

Does this mean we can finally bring an end to this thread?

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Prove yourself right.

At the moment you cannot, and I cant prove you wrong.

Wow, from way back in this thread.

Now I can prove you wrong Ethan.

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Tornado
Coming from who Ethan? You don't have any sources, a lot of what you've provided us with has turned out to be complete bull . . .

*gasp*

What's this? Huh, apparently I WAS RIGHT the entire time. Wouldn't you know it... ;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

Hey....theres a first time for everything. ;)

[Tornado]

:funny:

Right, you remember that the next time I prove you wrong Frizzo. ;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

You can't prove me wrong. I can warp logic enough to make anything I say seem right......from a certian point of view...;)

[Tornado]

Rrrrrright..... ;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

Yes. Exactly.

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Tornado
Rrrrrright..... ;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

Is there an echo in here?

[Tornado]

Yes, apparently so. Got a problem wit dat? ;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

Not really. What do I care if there is an echo?

[Tornado]

I honestly have no intelligent response for that one.

You win.

;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

Who said our responses have to be intelligent? I mean, your IQ is bound to go down just by talking to me..oh, and btw....

I WIN! IN YOUR FACE! ;)

[Tornado]

Thanks for that Captain Obvious. ;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

Shhhh...I'm not wearing my costume..don't tell everyone my secret identity!

[Tornado]

Gah, sorry.

*over megaphone*

FRIZZO THE CLOWN IS CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

[Frizzo the Clown]

And you're my sidekick, the Surly Boy Wonder.

[Tornado]

Ha....ha....ha.

Very funny.

[Frizzo the Clown]

It was? I didn't think so..it was just all I could think of. But hey, if you think its funny...okay. Whoo. Go me.

;)

[Tornado]

Yes, go you. Indeed.

;)

[JackBauer]

so what do you guys think of the official title? :D

[Frizzo the Clown]

I think its a bit obvious, actually. Its a better title than "The Phantom Menace." At least it makes some sense..but still..kinda obvious.

[JackBauer]

well i'm glad it isn't "dawn of the tyranny" or so...its not the best, but isn't bad either. i think its cool.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Lets face it, it doesn't matter what horrendous thing they call it, we're all still gonna line up in droves to see it...3 or 4 times....at least..;)

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Frizzo the Clown
Lets face it, it doesn't matter what horrendous thing they call it, we're all still gonna line up in droves to see it...3 or 4 times....at least..;)

3 or 4? Right.... ;)

Try like 10 for me. The most anticipated film of my time for me at least. I'll be seeing it at a minimum of 5 times.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Actually, I think the most I've seen them in the theatres is 3 times..but not because I didn't want to see it more...I was just broke.

[Tornado]

I saw TPM in theatres 4 times I believe. And I was only 11 when it came out. And then I saw AOTC in theatres 6 times, at the age of 14.

I hope to eclipse the 10 times mark with ROTS. Sounds strange saying that....

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by Frizzo the Clown
Lets face it, it doesn't matter what horrendous thing they call it, we're all still gonna line up in droves to see it...3 or 4 times....at least..;)

true, but it makes a better picture in my dvd collection...i'd hate if had to read "dawn of tyranny" every time i wanna see EP3. :)

i'll see this movie a lot of times, no matter how much money i have...i saw EP2 about 3 times...and lately i love seeing movies over and over like Spidey2 i've seen 4 times and Troy was,...4 times as well, or was it 5?

[Frizzo the Clown]

Damn...I was 20 when Phantom Menace came out..hehe..and I was in the Army..so I couldn't always find time to go and see it as much as I'd wanted..and you're making me feel old...and broke...;)

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Frizzo the Clown
Damn...I was 20 when Phantom Menace came out..hehe..and I was in the Army..so I couldn't always find time to go and see it as much as I'd wanted..and you're making me feel old...and broke...;)

Mission accomplished then. ;)

Besides, 25 isn't that old.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by Tornado
Mission accomplished then. ;)

Besides, 25 isn't that old. No..its not..but it seems like it when you're talking to someone 10 years younger than you..;) Besides..I'll be 26 in a couple of weeks...then I'll be old. ;)

[JackBauer]

hehe, yeah...the army...the place i never have to go :D

and you realy shouldn't feel old, i mean with 25 your life has just begun!! i'll be 20 this october and i feel...well...just older but not old. besides, you don't sound that old, you just sound broke :p ;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

I didn't have to go...like an idiot..I just did. ;)

[JackBauer]

I'm sure many young people did the same mistake.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Well...some people actually enjoyed it. ;)

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Frizzo the Clown
No..its not..but it seems like it when you're talking to someone 10 years younger than you..;) Besides..I'll be 26 in a couple of weeks...then I'll be old. ;)

Yeah, then you're an old geezer. Sorry to hear about that. ;)

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Frizzo the Clown
Well...some people actually enjoyed it. ;)

I hella enjoyed them.

EDIT - I thought you meant the Prequel Trilogy.

[JackBauer]

how can someone enjoy the army? such a waste of time. i don't get it. [Ï]those[/I] people have no life.

[adt100]

I've moved the pic to the poster thread - http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25596&perpage=40&pagenumber=3

[Tornado]

That kicks ass adt, thanks man!

[G-Matrix]

I don't know if anybody knows but the Sw site has announce tht the title of SW episode 3 is The revenge of the Sith

[Tornado]

:funny:

I think we're all well aware of that one G. ;)

[neo5595]

I found this .

ok a few points first.

* this is the title of Episode 3 as of right now & I know this with 100% certainty.

* no I cannot prove that this is the title. Nor can I reveal the source from which I made this discovery. All I can say is that it is from a source here in Sydney & it is as reliable as you can get, save being from the mouth of a Lucas or McCallum etc.


Having said this, I am fully aware that no-one will take this seriously or believe it to be true. I'm not able or willing to provide any evidence so therefore you're all perfectly entitled to scoff, deride, & dismiss this entire post.

The only reason I'm revealing what I found out only a few hrs ago is to hopefully have it placed on the record so that in a couple of months when this title is revealed you can all kiss my a$$ & apologise & pay homage to the fact that I was the 1st to brake this awesome piece of info. Also I figure that since I found this out there will be many more people who are informed of this in the coming days & weeks.

So without further delay here is the title of Episode 3:

The Dawn of Tyranny

Now, let your sarcasm & mocking commence, but just remember it will all come back to you with interest in a couple of months!
I find it amazing that you are 100% sure of the title judgeing that George Lucas said it was Revenge of the Sith. Not Dawn of Tyranny. If I were you I'd forget about your source.

[PsychoMike]

I find it amazing that you are 100% sure of the title judgeing that George Lucas said it was Revenge of the Sith. Not Dawn of Tyranny. If I were you I'd forget about your source.

check the date of the post it was 5/16 I think Lucus announced the title at comic con.

[neo5595]

check the date of the post it was 5/16 I think Lucus announced the title at comic con.
Your Point?

[fineus fog]

I think neo5595's point is:

Where the hell is Ethan Hunt now? I want to commence the mocking

[iguano]

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - The Dawn of Tyranny

There's the title. :D


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[Ethan Hunt]

My hands are up ,I was wrong its not as if any of you belived me in the first place.
Well Revenge is the best title of the prequels.
Does anyone know if the rumour that the reason dagubar is full of the darkside is because
yoda brings the fear of vader with him. Coz that can explain alot

[todd philip]

My hands are up ,I was wrong its not as if any of you belived me in the first place.
Well Revenge is the best title of the prequels.
Does anyone know if the rumour that the reason dagubar is full of the darkside is because
yoda brings the fear of vader with him. Coz that can explain alotno freakin way

[Boro]

sources confirm that dawn of an empire is the title

[Miasma]

I kept hoping they would go with "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, Part 3" just to piss off the fans. Shucks.

[Nimrandir]

Revenge of the Sith is good, but i think that Birth of the Empire would have been better. It has more meaning; more pertanent to the movie. We know about the sith in TPM. Even Rise of the sith would have been better, what are they revenging?

Revenge is more personnal while BOTE would have been looking at the meaning of the entire movie. But that is debatable.

[Sock-Man]

Originally posted by Nimrandir
Even Rise of the sith would have been better, what are they revenging?

They're revenging the fact that the Jedi effectively wiped them out after the original Sith Wars. Clearly they're still pissed off.

[Nimrandir]

What original sith wars? I guess they were in t he books but is there a mention of them in the movies? You shouldn't have to read a book to understand a movie.

[Sock-Man]

Well in TPM Darth Maul says "At last we will have revenge", hinting at something along these lines. At some point Mace Windu says "The sith are all wiped out" or something along those lines, suggesting the Jedi have beaten them once before. So it's referred to but not formally explained.

The Sith Wars were 1000's of years before TPM I think, when there were just as many Sith as Jedi. Clearly the Jedi won and that led to the whole Sith law of secrecy thing, and they remain unknown to the Jedi until Darth Maul appears in TPM.

[Nimrandir]

I see, but it is just to much left unexplained in the movie to rationalize the title. Thanks for the info.

[neo5595]

Sock-mans right. They do hint that there was some kind of war with the Sith and Jedi. I think "Revenge of the Sith" works fine.

[Sock-Man]

I think the word 'revenge' probably had an advantage over other ideas for getting in there anyway, due to the fact it was the original title for ROTJ..

[adt100]

They'll still have to add som exposition in ROTS to make clear to the lay audience whoe the Sith are and why they want their revenge.

[Sock-Man]

I think it's quite obvious what the title means. People just need to be told that the Sith are the opposite of the Jedi, i.e. Darth Vader.
Maybe in the trailer or teaser they'll make a reference to the Sith being all but extinct and making their glorious return to explain to the non-fan audience.
It's common sense as to what their revenge is for... the Jedi killed them all!

[Nimrandir]

Yes, the jedi killed them all but they don't tell you that in the movies. They just hint at it, and hinting isn't enough to make a movie on.

Take it back if they explain it all in Episode III.

[Sock-Man]

Yeah your right.. The title makes sense to most Star Wars fans, as most, even those who haven't read any of the EU are aware of the Sith Wars in some way.
But for the very casual fan and the average movie-goer it could do with a little more explanation.

Maybe ROTS will reveal all. But there's so much for ROTS to reveal that has been promised (force ghosts, Sifo Dyas, Qui Gon not disappearing etc.) that I wouldn't bank on too much.

[twaas1]

DAWN OF TYRANNY

Sounds like it's not going to be sci-fi and its gonna be more drama. I just hope that they don't overdo the "ANAKIN TO DARTH VADAR" part. I know they probably will and that it is needed, but still...I would rather it be sci-fi action than sci-fi drama.

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[Tornado]

You do realize that it's "Revenge of the Sith" right? ;)

[neo5595]

You do realize that it's "Revenge of the Sith" right? ;)
lol.


Anyway...I think everyone who keeps saying that other people dont know who the sith are or were, just forget about it. Who cares if some people wont know what the title is talking about. Theres no reason to argue about the general audience not understanding as long as you get it.