Someone has intentionally flown two aircraft into the World trade center bldgs.

[Juggernaut]

Some group is placing the World Trade bldg under attack!!! Two planes 18 min apart has flown into the WTB causing serious damage to each tower. They are burning right at this time. Just what the F*** is going on here????

[Juggernaut]

Now it seems that ANOTHER plane has crashed into the Pentagon!!!!! Who the hell is f***ing with us?????? Are we going to drop some nukes????

[Madness]

Dropping nukes?!?! Good idea man, that's all I need today, the Armageddon!!!
This is pretty crazy, but you shouldn't jump so quickly into war-mode. We need to find out what's going on here.............

[Juggernaut]

The south world trade tower just collasped!!! Thousands of lives were just lost. Some PLO group is taking credit. The first plane was hijacked from Boston and ordered to fly into the tower. The FAA has cancelled all domestic flights nationwide. HELL YES drop some nukes!!!! Someone needs to bleed for this!!!!!

[aeon-death]

i just saw that on the news around 9am eastern time, i think it's terrible!

[Juggernaut]

It gets worse, the second tower just collasped. May God have mercy on the people who just lost their lives. And give America the will and determination to track down the individual responsible and exact terrible retribution.

[Madness]

Individual??? This isn't ONE persons doing. Bush is insane, he's gonna bomb an entire country!!
This might be the beginings of WW3............

[Juggernaut]

Bad choice of words, I won't even recognize the scum responsible as human,these things are nothing more than rabid animals who need to be eliminated with exterme prejudice.

[Malice]

Guys I just wanna make sure you dont blame anyone till its known....we could start pointing fingers at allot of people, and they might not be correct!

Please have tolerance in this time....

[Jedi Knight]

Lord, help us.

I think we should all consider ourselves at war.
Guys, lets have our prayers go to the many who have passed away today. Today this site and the nation mourns.

Please, a moment of prayer, and silence.

God Bless,
---JAC

[The Insider]

My god this is a horrible thing!

And what about all those people who were in the airplanes? According to the reports, it was ordinary airplanes that were hijacked and send to crash into the Twin Towers and Pentagon.

It´s a scary thought, and I hate to say it, but probably more americans have died today, than there died in the entire Vietnam war.

But be careful when you place blame! The last thing we need is Bush ordering 3 Hydrogenbombs dropped over Eastern-Europe and starting World War 3.

[Madness]

There have been more crashes. An airplane crashed near Camp David, and a car bomb near the state department has been reported as flase.............
The #1 suspect is Bin Laden........

[Chambers]

I was at work when I saw the live coverage of CNN this afternoon (I live in Germany!) and I can tell you, we all really are shocked about the incidents happening this tragic day! I am feeling with you. May God help us all....

[Jedi Knight]

Bush has ordered an extreme investigation, and he wants the people who did this brought to justice. He's doing what any good President should do. He's not going to be getting out the bombs just yet, he wants confirmation first.
The main suspect is a certain Islaam leader who's name escapes me at the moment.

Here's an article from AOL.COM:

Apparent Terror Attacks Hits D.C.
The Associated Press
Sep 11 2001 11:57AM


World Trade Center tower two falls to the ground. Both towers have fallen after planes crashed into the buildings.

Bush: Crashes Could Be Terrorism

Plane Crashes South of Pittsburgh

Wall Street Comes to Halt
Timeline of Events

--Plane crashes into tower of World Trade Center in lower Manhattan, shortly before 9 a-m Eastern.

--Second plane crashes into the second tower of the World Trade Center, shortly after 9 a-m Eastern.

--President Bush, in Sarasota, Florida, calls the crashes ''an apparent terrorist attack'' and a ''national tragedy.''

--An aircraft crashes near Pentagon, just outside of Washington D-C, in Northern Virginia, about an hour after the attacks in New York.

--Government buildings in Washington, including the Capitol and the White House, are evacuated with officials citing a credible threat of a terrorist attack.

--The Federal Aviation Administration shuts down all aircraft takeoffs nationwide.

--Shortly after 10 a-m Eastern, one World Trade Center tower in New York collapses, about an hour after being hit by plane.

--American Airlines says one of the planes that crashed into the Trade Center was American Airlines Flight 11, hijacked after takeoff from Boston en route to Los Angeles.

--Senior law enforcement officials say car bomb explodes outside of State Department in Washington, D-C. Federal protective services later denies car bomb attack occurred.

--Financial markets suspend trading in the wake of the attacks.


Source: The Associated Press





WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon took a direct, devastating hit from an aircraft and the enduring symbols of American power were evacuated Tuesday as an apparent terrorist attack quickly spread fear and chaos in the nation's capital.

The nerve center of the nation's military burst into flames and a portion of one side of the five-sided structure collapsed when the plane struck in midmorning. Secondary explosions were reported in the aftermath of the attack and great billows of smoke drifted skyward toward the Potomac River and the city beyond.

Authorities immediately began deploying troops, including a regiment of light infantry.

``Terrorism against our nation will not stand,'' vowed President Bush, in Florida on a morning when not only Washington was struck, but the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York were hit by planes and later collapsed.

There was no attempt to minimize the impact.

``This is the second Pearl Harbor. I don't think that I overstate it,'' said Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., referring to the attack 60 years ago that surprised the nation and propelled it into World War II.

With Bush in Florida, his advisers were preparing a list of options, including closing the nation's borders, according to a senior U.S. official.

The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was premature to discuss military options because investigators were still trying to determine who was responsible for the attacks.

Away from the Pentagon, unexplained explosions were reported in the vicinity of the State Department and the Capitol. Agents with automatic weapons patrolled the White House grounds.

The departments of Justice, State, Treasury and Defense and the Central Intelligence Agency were evacuated - an estimated 20,000 at the Pentagon alone.

One lawmaker said the congressional leadership had been hustled away to safety.

And the FAA ordered the entire nationwide air traffic system shut down.

A torrent of people rushed from their office buildings throughout the nation's capital, eager to leave a city under siege. The cell phone networks were overloaded, clusters of people sprayed on the sidewalks and at least one suburban school district announced plans to close early.

The Pentagon was hit a short while after the World Trade Center was struck.

Paul Begala, a Democratic consultant, said he witnessed an explosion near the Pentagon, saying it sent a huge, orange fireball skyward.

AP reporter Dave Winslow also saw the crash. He said, ``I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon.''

Gen. Richard Myers, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that prior to the crash into the Pentagon, military officials had been notified that another hijacked plane had been heading from the New York area to Washington. He said he assumed that hijacked plane was the one that hit the Pentagon, though he couldn't be sure.

One of two planes that crashed into the World Trade Center was hijacked after takeoff from Boston, a U.S. official said, citing a transmission from the plane.

The second plane may have flown out of Newark, N.J., the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Asked if there was any possibility the crashes were anything other than deliberate, the official said it appeared not to be an accident, the official said.


Our nation is under attack, we should all justy pray for peace. Prayer seems to be the only thing that keeps me from just falling back into shock over this incident.

God Bless,
---JAC

[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: JAC ]

[rObix]

bush is not the person i want on top of this.

does anyone else know anyone who works in the trade center? i do. this is beyond ****ed up.

[Theta]

Okay, here's the heads-up, people:
The PLO has NOT claimed responsibility. Both the PLO and the Taliban (the government of Afghanistan) have distanced themselves from this attack, saying they find it appalling and that they had nothing to do with it.

Despite the Pearl Harbor comparisons (which are fair, since this is a surprise attack), WWIII is probably not coming. A war? Possibly, if a government shelters the organization responsible. However, WE WON'T BE DROPPING NUKES TEN MINUTES FROM NOW. NUCLEAR WAR IS NOT HAPPENING.
However, should it be revealed that a terrorist organization is being sheltered by a government, troops will be deployed. At the very least, every member of that organization that the US intelligence community can track down is going to die. It's just a question of whether they get a trial first.

I'd just like to emphasize that the vast majority of Islam finds actions like this every bit as horrific as we do. They're called extremists for a reason, very few Muslims support the idea that America needs to be destroyed, and it is much more than just a religious feeling; it's also political and military.
The guy down the street praying to Mecca is just as horrified as you. Remember that, and tell those who might not understand.

You want to help out, give blood, collect blankets, gather canned food, get medical supplies, focus on the casualities. If you want to fight, find your local recruiter and enlist, don't take it on the streets. The best way to help right now is to save as many people as we can, not get angry.

[Psylent]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>My god this is a horrible thing!

And what about all those people who were in the airplanes? According to the reports, it was ordinary airplanes that were hijacked and send to crash into the Twin Towers and Pentagon.

</STRONG>

The plane was hijacked.
I'm afraid the hospital will be part of the attack, but hopefully not!
:eek:

[homertheevilash]

I just can't believe that this has happened, may god have mercy on all people on the WTC. How did these people get on the planes, they must have been armed, we all know the WTC has been attempted to be blown up before, and they failed, i am very sorry for everyone who knows/loves anyone who has passed on because of this appalling attack.

This could cause a problem in the fact that bush is a phsyco, and when he finds out who did it, we better prey to god that WWIII doesn't break out.

[Madness]

There've been many other plane crashes. It's important to remember all those who died on these flights. These were innocent men, women, and children that were visiting family, or going back home, and somehow got mixed up in this tragedy.........

[Jedi Knight]

America has been scarred.

It's heart is wounded, and the tears of the Casualties and their families is it's blood.

Like many have said before, Lord help us, and keep all America, and the families of the casualties, comforted.

This is a day that will live in infamy.

[TheBard]

Originally posted by Juggernaut:
<STRONG>HELL YES drop some nukes!!!! Someone needs to bleed for this!!!!!</STRONG>

Isn't "brain" something that's needed when you're taking part in a discussion?

[aeon-death]

i'm actually very sad and mad for the moment. i couldn't focus in class, and almost cried out loud few times a while since i saw the news. i want who ever resposible for this dead.

but a war is the last thing we want. hopefully no war at all.

[Con-Air]

This won't go to war. I think it's odd how in '93 Bin Ladan told the States he would do this exact thing. I think it's either Bin Ladan or one of his terrorist competitors out to set him up. It's times like this I'm glad I live in Canada.

[JBond]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>Individual??? This isn't ONE persons doing. Bush is insane, he's gonna bomb an entire country!!
This might be the beginings of WW3............</STRONG>

You could be right here, we have to be careful of what to do. Nuking the hell out of whom ever did this could be the wrong answer. But with Bush...

[Chicken]

Well i just wanna say someone knows who did it cause all the middle east countries are partying it up over the terrorist act! If thats not the most disgusting thing i don't know what is! bush better not be stupid handling this one.....

[douggold]

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If you are in the New York Huson Valley region, call 914-784-4650 to donate blood. Blood is immediately needed in the city.

[slinger]

Bush has people making the right decisions. He just gives the approval. He's not going to start a nuclear war.

Firstly, I heard of this maybe 20 minutes after this happened. We were just sitting down and someone says that two planes crashed into the WTC Towers. There was about six of us who were I guess shocked. Just didn't believe it happened. In the library they had CNN on. During third period I spent the whole class on the internet finding out what happened. Even checked out CS! and if they put up anything. Then I read about the Pentagon, the plane in Pennslyvania, the towers collapsing, American airports shuting down, UN and other imortant buildings close and later Canadian airports closed.

Watching the footage of the plane crashing was like watching a movie. Same with the dust spreading througout Manhattan. Then I remembered that 'The Lonegun Men' series premiere had a plane being hijacked and headed towards the WTC. Now of course it was adverted.

Right now on CNN they have info that a woman phoned her husband and told him that all the passengers & crew are at the back of the plane and the hijackers used knives and cardboard cutters. She never got the group or nationality.

[Jedi Knight]

Well, bombing has been taking place on Kabul, Afghanistan.
President Bush never said he was going to drop nukes, I have no idea where you guys got that idea...but he did take action. And I think he made the best possible choice; we needed to take action before they regained their power and struck again.

[Madness]

I don't believe Bush has already bombed Afganistan!! They're not even sure if it was them who did it!!! See, this is what I'm talking about. States bombs other countries without remorse or second thought, but heaven forbid anyone try that ***** on the States.
I'm not trying to be insensitive to all those who lost their lives today, but killing more innocents won't solve a thing, especially if it's discovered that Afganistan had nothing to do with it..........

[Link]

I didn't like my first reply as it really wasn't reflected on 9/11. I'll just put it short and simply that it was a very upsetting moment in history.

[D-fence]

I watched one of the leaders of my country (Holland) make a statement today on tv.. He said something that made the hairs on my nek stand up:

From now on, the world will NEVER be the same

Lets all hope today won't be the beginning of the end. You know.. i wasn't an adult in the Cold War, but i heard my parents talk about it, the fear.. and today, for the first time, i think i understand what they were talking about. :(

[Dione]

Originally posted by Con-Air:
<STRONG>This won't go to war. I think it's odd how in '93 Bin Ladan told the States he would do this exact thing. I think it's either Bin Ladan or one of his terrorist competitors out to set him up. It's times like this I'm glad I live in Canada.</STRONG>

Yes, I am as well, but are we really completely immune to things like this happening to us? If this can happen in the States, it could probably happen anywhere. Here in Edmonton, the airport is completely shut down.

[thebtskink]

Every generation has a life changing event. Those in their 70s-80s have Pearl Harbor. Those in their 40s and up have JFK assassinated.

We have this. I will never forget Sept. 11, 2001 for as long as I live. This is even worse than Pearl Harbor. Most likely, the death toll is in the thousands. Innocent civilians have died.

That being said, those who are responsible must be punished. The person or persons, or nation(s)responsible for this horrific act must be brought to justice.

Most probably the attack is of Middle-eastern origin based upon its nature and Osama's warning 3 weeks ago. Yet, we must not jump to conclusions. No witchhunts or internments (Japanese-americans, WWII) can be allowed to happen.

There is no word yet on who is bombing Afghanistan. Do not assume it is American.

Even though Muslims are painted as terrorist-kind people, nothing could be further from the truth. The majority of Islam, the Sunni, are non-violent people who are horrified at this action. The minority 10% of Islam is Shi'ite, who believe in a holy war, Jihad, to allow their transcending to heaven.

If an attack is waged on a nation by the Allies, care must be taken to protect the 90% of innocent Muslims. Two wrongs do not make a right. This attack is so to say only if a RADICAL muslim group is behind it. Action will be taken, but it must be carefully.

Keep the victims of this horrific, tragic day in your hearts. Give Blood. Volunteer. Do not stand idly by. Send a message to the attackers, whoever they may be. AMERICA WILL PERSERVERE. DEMOCRACY WILL PERSERVERE. WE WILL GO ON, AND WE WILL SURVIVE!!!

[bbf2]

I'm sick of people thinking that this will trigger World War Three.

This rumor will do NOTHING but cause unnecessary fear and panic in the people of the world.

THIS IS A TERRORIST ATTACK. World War Three would only be an option if an extremely powerful country like China with LOTS of allies did this. This was done (99 percent sure) by a bunch of Palestinean b***ards. Even with Afghanistan shielding them, they will find no allies. It will be America and most of the rest of the word vs. a terrorist group and perhaps Afghanistan, at worst.

This is a horrible tragedy, but striking the fear of WW3 into people's hearts does no good.

[thebtskink]

Originally posted by bbf2:
<STRONG>

THIS IS A TERRORIST ATTACK. World War Three would only be an option if an extremely powerful country like China with LOTS of allies did this. This was done (99 percent sure) by a bunch of Palestinean b***ards. Even with Afghanistan shielding them, they will find no allies. It will be America and most of the rest of the word vs. a terrorist group and perhaps Afghanistan, at worst.
</STRONG>

I don't believe WWIII will result, and if it does, it will be everyone vs. the perpetrators.

But the incredible coordination and organization of the attack lays extreme doubt to the attack being the cause of ONE terrorist group. At the very least, it was a number of terrorist groups acting in conjunction for a coordinated attack. At the most, it was an attack funded by a nation, and therefore, an act of war.

I don't think WWIII will break out. If it does though, I'm ****ed, I'm about that age.

[Juggernaut]

Yes Bard, Brains and intelligence are necessary components in dealing with this situation...but not at the cost of our hearts. For most of the day our nation was held in terror, ordinary people afraid to go out and do their normal business. Our government ground to a halt. And the thing which is most prevalent,....is it over??? Who's next??? The group responsible has made their statement,now we need to make ours...decsively and finally!!!!!!!

[Jedi Knight]

Saying we are not at war would be a lie. This is war, it may not be someone's definition of a World War, but it is war. And America, founded with God, will persevere through this crisis. They may have shaken the foundations of our cities, but America's hope in God, and our National spirit, will walk through the dust that has collapsed upon our homes, and we will go into the light, as will the terrorists.
President Bush quoted Psalm 23 in his National Address to the Country...

"Even though I walk through the shadow of the Valley Of Death, you are with me."

[I]That should become permanent to the Heart of America today. That we will persevere, because we have faith in what we were founded upon, and what we still are.
People have said through this crisis, "God be with us." And our prayers have been answered; he is, as is our spirit, and his.


If we could all please give a moment of silence and prayer, for the Americans lost in this incident...please, no one post on the board as of now, so we can all give our prayers to the families, and those who have left us.


*A Moment Of Silence.*

[Jack]

I just want to know how they got on those planes in the first place. I heard a lot of talk about using "knife-like weapons", so I wonder if they even used guns. I was deeply disturbed by the video tape of young palistine children celebrating in the streets, who probably are way to young to grasp what they are doing, just being brain washed by adults in their community, its one of the most disgusting things I have ever witnessed. My heart goes out to those who lost someone today, and pray that we dont go into something we will regret.

[EmpireOfDust]

I went to school today, and my stomach dropped when i heard this news... This is the most deeply touching, personal, tragic, sickening event i have ever witnissed in my life... This is Un-called for... I do wish for the people behind this to pay and rot in hell for all eternity... But, I want peace, And this hits WAY too close to home, we hear about stuff like this all the time in foreign countrys, the fact that it is happening here is an extreme shock... The countrys are jealous of what we have, FREEDOM... The fact they dont have ORDER like we do makes them jealous... They will bomb us... But I beleive in George W. and the people investigating to get to the bottom of this... Evil will pay...

[Aztec]

I live in Long Island (suburbs of New York City) and I drove out to Hofstra University today (30 miles East of Manhattan). As I drove west I could actually see the smoke along the horizon.

From the 13th floor of the Hofstra dormatories there is usually a breathtaking view of Manhattan namely the World Trade Center and the Empire State Building. When I looked from the 13th floor today, THERE WAS NO WORLD TRADE CENTER and a cloud of smoke. I've never felt such devastation in my life. I cried as I viewed it.

Let's hope those that did this or supported this are punished severely. Let us not jump to conclusions or take the matter into our own hands. Those responsible will pay in time my friends!

I agree with a previous poster who suggested donating blood, blankets, and food to our brothers and sisters who need it. These are great suggestions. My thoughts and prayers go out to anyone who lost anyone they care about in this devasting tragedy. God bless!

[fractal_inversion]

Evil will pay? Oh crap, this is only going to get worse. What about the families in the Middle-East who have put up with this stuff their entire lives? They're reported in the papaers on something like page eighteen... occasionally. But when it happens to America- oh great, let's start World War Three.....
This is going to be bad.

[Con-Air]

Who bombed Afganistan? The States are saying that they didn't have anything to do with it. I think some terrorist group is trying to start a war here. They destroy us, they bomb them. Turn us against them.

[Aztec]

Afghani Rebels and Russian soldiers bombed an ammunition site that the ruling party in Afghanistan the Taliban hand under their control. They have been fighting to knock the Taliban out of power for some time now.

The Taliban is an extremely strict Islamic Fundamentalist government, that is currently housing Islamic terroists like Osama Bin Ladin.

[Superchunk]

Hey Dione i live in lethbridge. why did they send all the planes to canada?...were they like "hey these planes r crashing into our buildings, lets send them to canada".
when i first heard the news i got goosebumps...i also got them when i actually watched what was happening. i cant believe what is happening...this is sooo unreal. WWIII will most likly not happen but it will depend on who was responsible and who are their allies and if they will jump in. this is way worse than pearl harbor...this doesnt even compare...only thing this compares to is the civil war at gettisberg or whatever.
yes those palestinians in the streets dancing and ****...that pissed me off.
May God be with you all.
If god is on our side. Who is on theirs?

[slinger]

Its been just only over 12 hours but it seems longer. No one will forget this day. Probably not since Man landing on the Moon has an event gotten attention. And today's media is everywhere.

After watching today's stories I have to say CNN, Fox News Channel and CBS have done the better job. BBC America did a good one too. My mom said the Canadian networks were doing a better job.

Now am I glad I live in Canada yes. BUT... we are an American ally, the closet ally to its major cities and all are major cities (except Edmonton) are all near the border. Toronto, Hamilton, Ottawa and Montreal all could've been threaten.

Now after hearing that everyone was at the back of the planes and the terrorists had knives I wondered still how could they get control? If everyone stormed them they all couldn't possibly die. I don't think they have thirty cutting tools with them. If you don't do anything you'll die so atleast try to stop them.

Apparently last month they stopped fourteen terrorist attacks in America.

[Jaelle Vidomni]

It's absolutely devastating....the sheer magnitude of it all. But this happens all the time in the middle east, some terrorists brought it here and now ppl sit up and take notice.
I live in Saskatchewan and i'm glad right now because even if they would start bombing Canada (which i really dont think they will) they wouldnt in Sask cuz only like 5 ppl live here anyways :D LOL.

[tyler_durden]

Originally posted by JAC:
<STRONG>Well, bombing has been taking place on Kabul, Afghanistan.
President Bush never said he was going to drop nukes, I have no idea where you guys got that idea...but he did take action. And I think he made the best possible choice; we needed to take action before they regained their power and struck again.</STRONG>

One of the other groups there has already claimed responsibility. It wasn't us.

[Randy]

I am so sorry for those people who have died and for their families as well. God bless them and give them the strength to overcome this horriffic tragedy that will remain in our minds forever.
God Bless.

I heard about it this morning, since my mom just happened to turn it to CNN. When she saw she gasped and almost screamed out loud. I was shocked, but I had no idea of how much this was going to affect my day, or my life. I thought it was just like the Oklahoma City Bombing, people would be sad, like me, but we would get over it. I had no idea of the signifigance of this horriffic tragedy till school. When I reached school, I talked about it with some of my friends, yet no tears were involved. We hadn't realized the importance of what had happened. When I went into first period, there was the T.V on watching it. Of course we watched it for the first five minutes and thought nothing of it. But when we got to 2nd period, we realized it wasn't just another Oklahoma City bombing thing, It was like a Pearl Harbor thing. Our teacher told us about it, and it continued for the rest of the day. Some parts on the T.V and some speeches by the teachers got us teary eyed. One part I actully saw a man jump from a window and I gasped in horror. It was so terrifying. While many of the kids talked about it, some expressed their feelings with humor, that was their way with coping with the fear. Some said nothing at all. Just merely nodded and pretended nothing had happened. But I wish the families all the best, and may all of your relatives and friends on here be safe. God bless everyone.
Randy

[JBond]

Im one of those people that try to cope with humor.

...I wonder how long it will be before Bay and Bruckheimer decide to make a movie about this day with Afflek and Harnett. ;)

[tyler_durden]

I work at a television station and I had no idea of what was going on when I came into work this morning. After I got there, I sat in front of a television stunned for about an hour and a half. I don't understand how someone could have such a disregard for innocent lives. It would have been at least a little more understandable if they had attacked a military instillation or something, but to just wipe out so many innocent lives. I can't comprehend what could drive someone to that point. Of course after I came to, I wound up helping the news department in shooting some stories for the news and was so busy, I didn't even have a chance to think about it. After I got home, I sat and watched the coverage and cried. So many people dead. So many stories. All I can think of is what if that had been my mom, dad, brother, sister, wife...etc. I would have been devastated.

That being said, I believe the US needs to strike back, but they also must be careful not to lower ourselves to their standards by killing randomly. We must find those responsible and those who have been harboring them and give them what they have coming.

And (on a lighter note) the Paper Street Soap Company shall be closed for the next week in remembrance of the victims and their families.

Seriously though, my heart, thoughts and prayers shall be for everyone affected by this tragedy, especially our leaders. I hope that they can think clearly enough to make sure that the PROPER actions are taken.

[PalaceDogg]

Originally posted by JBond:
<STRONG>Im one of those people that try to cope with humor.

...I wonder how long it will be before Bay and Bruckheimer decide to make a movie about this day with Afflek and Harnett. ;)</STRONG>

Yeah, maybe they'll be flying the planes

[Madness]

The events of today totally play out like a movie.
I'm not trying to be insensitive, but it's true. The Titanic eas tragic as well, but it is amazing to watch what happened to these people from that perspective. Today is no exception.
1st the 4 planes highjacked. 4 different scenes playing out concurrently.
Then you've got the shot from inside the world trade tower. Business going as usual, people shuffling around drinking coffee. In the distance a plane is seen approaching the tower through a window. The shot continues until people are screaming and the plane comes crashing through, knocking down wall after wall and floor after floor. Shots are shown of people in the floors above and the floor collapsing beneath them.
This is definitly something out of a movie, and yet it isn't......very surreal.........

[bbf2]

Originally posted by JBond:
<STRONG>Im one of those people that try to cope with humor.

...I wonder how long it will be before Bay and Bruckheimer decide to make a movie about this day with Afflek and Harnett. ;)</STRONG>

By the time enough time has passed for a movie to be feasable, Afflek and Hartnett will be old men.

[tyler_durden]

It just doesn't seem like it should really be happening. This has occured on a huge scale. I am truely speechless.

[tyler_durden]

The world has become a much scarier place.

[Blank Slate]

This is terriable news, it seems like so much is happening back to back. I love my country, but I have to say that the US brought this diaster to our door. The US is often painted by the media as the good guys, now while we don't attack innocent people directly, we do how ever have our nose in to many foreign countries problems, and we make enemies doing this. There's a lot of things that our government do that is terriable, and we don't know about it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is nieve. These world leaders make decsions and decides who to attack, and it is the civillians that get the backlash. The US has done something to whoever launched this attack, I'm sorry I just don't see anyone attacking for no reason
and with nothing to gain. Whoever did this didn't profit from it, and to me it appears to be payback. I wish our Government would stay out of the affairs of other countries, and let them handle their own problems. If the US would focus on the social and economic ills that exist inside our country we could proberly do away with a lot of them. I understand the need for foreign policy, but we try to do to much and some countries doesn't even want our help, but yet we force our way in, and this is proberly the fallout from it.

[The Insider]

It´s times like these you wish that you still had a president like John F. Kennedy in the white house. But we don´t. We have George Bush Jr., arguably the worst president in american history, and he doesn´t know how to deal with the situation. I saw his speech on TV about an hour ago, and he said everything that you expected him to. No big words or sentences, just the plain "We´ve been bombed. We´re united. We will retaliate."
And (excuse me for saying this) his refference to the bible was extremely cheesy.

I also think that it´s a scary thought that Bush promises that both the terrorists AND those who house the terrorists (i.e. the country in which they are). What if the country doesn´t even know that the terrorists are there? What if the goverment in that country doesn´t know that they are there, or (at least) doesn´t recognize the terrorists (and maybe want the terrorists brought to justice, as much as the U.S.). Will they be bombed anyway?

Did anyone stop to consider, that this might not be a Middleeast terroristfaction that is behind these attacks? What if it´s from another part of the world? Even the U.S. itself? That would definetely make it easier for the terrorists to come onboard the flights and hijack the planes.
Think about it... because of the situation in the Middleeast, every terroristorganisation can do virtually everything that they want to, but the blame will immediately be shifted to those who live in the Middleeast, because tensions are very high in that part of the world right now. This is the perfect time for any terroristorganisation to attack the U.S., without getting caught.

Didn´t anybody watch "Arlington Road"?

[TheBard]

The scary thing is, it all seems like a movie ...

You know, the faked CNN reports that you see in a movie like Armageddon or Independence Day. Thats the first thing I thought when I saw the pictures yesterday.

I was in a chat, when someone said that a plane has just crashed into the WTC. So I switched the TV on and watched CNN (We also recieve CNN in germany).
Starting with curiosity, I watched the article... Then a second plane crashed and I thought this couldn't be real...
Then I've heard that the Pentagon was under attack from another plane, the White House was evacuated and it was just so damned surreal...

[Kyle Katarn]

I just knew something was wrong when I walked into the commons and saw a group of people standing up looking at the TV...

Originally posted by TheBard:
<STRONG>The scary thing is, it all seems like a movie ...</STRONG>

It does...but the scary thing is, its REAL. And maybe not over yet. Whoever was behind these horrible attacks was obviously professional. God have mercy on those that were lost, and God have mercy on us all.

Am I the only one who found it odd the way both towers just collapsed straight down? Like it was a controlled demolition job like you see in construction???

What worries me more than terrorists now is RUMORS! I've heard such stuff as "Gas will go to $4 a gallon, and no more will be available, the stores will not be able to get more food in, ect..." If this is true, then I guess you should alert others to it. If it is not true, then all you are doing is adding to the panic, something we don't need right now.

[Al6042]

Hi, to all the folks in this forum.
I just want to say how sad and angry I am about what happened to your people and your way of life.
I'm from Germany and I hope you all know how terrified and angry the german people are.

[JBond]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn:
<STRONG>Am I the only one who found it odd the way both towers just collapsed straight down? Like it was a controlled demolition job like you see in construction???</STRONG>

Well remember it wasn't the force of the planes that brought them down, they collapsed about an hour later. The reason for this was that the upper floors eventually collapse from the floors being weakened, this causes a few floors to fall, which brought down the next floor, and so on. The weight of the first few to go started a chain reaction, so it fell straight down.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>It´s times like these you wish that you still had a president like John F. Kennedy in the white house. But we don´t. We have George Bush Jr., arguably the worst president in american history, and he doesn´t know how to deal with the situation. I saw his speech on TV about an hour ago, and he said everything that you expected him to. No big words or sentences, just the plain "We´ve been bombed. We´re united. We will retaliate."
And (excuse me for saying this) his refference to the bible was extremely cheesy.

I also think that it´s a scary thought that Bush promises that both the terrorists AND those who house the terrorists (i.e. the country in which they are). What if the country doesn´t even know that the terrorists are there? What if the goverment in that country doesn´t know that they are there, or (at least) doesn´t recognize the terrorists (and maybe want the terrorists brought to justice, as much as the U.S.). Will they be bombed anyway?

Did anyone stop to consider, that this might not be a Middleeast terroristfaction that is behind these attacks? What if it´s from another part of the world? Even the U.S. itself? That would definetely make it easier for the terrorists to come onboard the flights and hijack the planes.
Think about it... because of the situation in the Middleeast, every terroristorganisation can do virtually everything that they want to, but the blame will immediately be shifted to those who live in the Middleeast, because tensions are very high in that part of the world right now. This is the perfect time for any terroristorganisation to attack the U.S., without getting caught.

Didn´t anybody watch "Arlington Road"?</STRONG>
I really don't get it when people clown President Bush. He's doing everything possible to unite the Country.
You guys think you could run this Country better? You try and stand in the same room with the Chinese and other Politicians. You try and control a National tragedy in your first year of office.
I really think we should all set our stupid differences aside, with ourselves and the President, and pray for comfort to the families of America, and that our leaders will have wisdom in this time of trial.

Esta La Wago!
---JAC

[The Insider]

Originally posted by JAC:
<STRONG>
I really don't get it when people clown President Bush. He's doing everything possible to unite the Country.
You guys think you could run this Country better? You try and stand in the same room with the Chinese and other Politicians. You try and control a National tragedy in your first year of office.</STRONG>


It´s not about whether I or someone else can "run the country better". It´s about how good the person currently in control can run it. And during the short time in which Bush has been president he has almost started a war with China and he´s just about to begin the Cold War again (what with the missileshield and so forth).
I don´t understand how anyone can respect a man like Bush. I´ve never met anyone who likes him. Gore was the clear favorite in the rest of the world (and also in the U.S. too. He got more votes than Bush in total).
Bush is the kind of guy who doens´t understand how to handle military issues. Just look on how he has handled his job during the last few months, and you´ll find evidence of this.
Bush is someone who wouldn´t feel much remorse after having dropped 5 megabombs over a small country, thereby killing a handfull of teorists and thousands of innocent people. He wouldn´t even blink.
We need someone with a clear perception and a good state of mind. Like John F. Kennedy.

But let´s not turn this topic into a discussion about Bush and his failings. We can always do that another time.

[JBond]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>It´s not about whether I or someone else can "run the country better". It´s about how good the person currently in control can run it.</STRONG>

Exactly. I'm getting sick and tired of people's arguments about people consistig of |"Well let's see YOOU make a better movie!" or "Lets see you run the country better" its a load of crap, he's SUPPOSE to run the countyr, if he's doing things wrong have we have ever right to critize! You should know that Jedi.

[Theta]

On the Bush thing...personally, I don't like the man, I don't trust him, and I think he's not good for America.
But in situations like this, he's not the one handling things. There are procedures and itemized lists already in place, and those went into effect the second this started. I don't think Bush is smart, but I think he's smart enough not to intervene.

As I said in an earlier post, WWIII is not happening. We're not even clear on who did this yet; Bin Laden has not claimed responsibility, although he's congratulated the terrorists. Just remember that.

On the collapse; it wasn't the weight, it was the fire. The structural supports were melted by the heat of the burning jet fuel, and the weight only finished off the job.

[Kyle Katarn]

How does anyone know if Bush would feel remorse for bombing innocents?! If Bush was so trigger-happy, don't you think he would have bombed China to get our airmen back?!

As for the election, I think the real answer will never be knowm. The hand-recounting HAD to have been biased. Supervisors could not have watched every person counting that wrongly counted a vote for Gore, or for Bush. I saw a hidden camera report where one counter said "This one is dimpled, so it counts as a vote (for Gore). Then it showed her saying "This one is dimpled but not punctured, so it does not count (For Bush). How many other Gore supporters like her, and Bush supporters marred the results?????????

There is NO precedent for this. They don't write books like "How to run the country when the WTC and Pentagon have been devastated." The man is doing the best he can. He is our President, so don't you think we should at least stand behind him until this crisis is resolved???

[The Insider]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn:
<STRONG>How does anyone know if Bush would feel remorse for bombing innocents?! If Bush was so trigger-happy, don't you think he would have bombed China to get our airmen back?!</STRONG>

For Bush (and probably many other as well), 1 man isn´t the same as 15.000.

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn:
<STRONG> As for the election, I think the real answer will never be knowm. The hand-recounting HAD to have been biased. Supervisors could not have watched every person counting that wrongly counted a vote for Gore, or for Bush. I saw a hidden camera report where one counter said "This one is dimpled, so it counts as a vote (for Gore). Then it showed her saying "This one is dimpled but not punctured, so it does not count (For Bush). How many other Gore supporters like her, and Bush supporters marred the results?????????
</STRONG>

Even without the Florida votes, Gore won. And it was only in Florida that there was a huge "re-counting" of votes.

[Eduardo Canale]

I was there when the whole thing happened. It was surreal. It was like watching ID4 and Under Seige movies actually happening before my eyes. It was very frightening. :(

[Malice]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>We have George Bush Jr., arguably the worst president in american history, and he doesn´t know how to deal with the situation. I saw his speech on TV about an hour ago, and he said everything that you expected him to. </STRONG>

Come on now... WHO IN GODS NAME, "who really knows how to cope with this situation?"

Plus, he is not ARGUABLY the worst we ever had....... He has only been in office for 9 months....

[dubloth]

at least hes not drinking malted liquor and eating chaken wangs with a the ragheads, not saying any past president names *Sneeze* Clinton *Sneeze* i mean come on, hes being bad ass so far about it, hes not toying around, hes not going to tell you everything thats happening because rag heads have tvs too..... BTW, have you ever heard of the army, well i for one live right beside fort bragg, they are still backed up 5 miles deep with traffic with people reporting to base.....gee hmm..yeah hes the worst....anything happened during clintons term he would go over there play golf, drink some tea, and leave, and they would laugh in his face and commence evil, so give me a break.

[Mckhan]

"In the City of God there will be a great
"thunder, two brothers(twin towers)
torn apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader(pentagon)
will succumb. The third big war will begin when the big city is burning."
"on the 11th day of the 19 month that...two metal birds would crash into two
tall statues...in the new city... and the world will end soon after"
- Nostradamus 1554 bc -

Some guy posted this at another site. Not sure if its fiction or the actual words of Nostradamus. As some may know, Nostradamus was a prophet who predicted many things that came true years after his death. Could this be one of them??

[aeon-death]

Originally posted by Mckhan:
<STRONG>"In the City of God there will be a great
"thunder, two brothers(twin towers)
torn apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader(pentagon)
will succumb. The third big war will begin when the big city is burning."
"on the 11th day of the 19 month that...two metal birds would crash into two
tall statues...in the new city... and the world will end soon after"
- Nostradamus 1554 bc -

Some guy posted this at another site. Not sure if its fiction or the actual words of Nostradamus. As some may know, Nostradamus was a prophet who predicted many things that came true years after his death. Could this be one of them??</STRONG>

i just see the same thing in the CREEPY thread by The Cat-Man,if some of you want to see it just click on the link.

[Madness]

Originally posted by Blank Slate:
<STRONG>I love my country, but I have to say that the US brought this diaster to our door. The US is often painted by the media as the good guys, now while we don't attack innocent people directly, we do how ever have our nose in to many foreign countries problems, and we make enemies doing this. There's a lot of things that our government do that is terriable, and we don't know about it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is nieve. These world leaders make decsions and decides who to attack, and it is the civillians that get the backlash. The US has done something to whoever launched this attack, I'm sorry I just don't see anyone attacking for no reason and with nothing to gain. Whoever did this didn't profit from it, and to me it appears to be payback. I wish our Government would stay out of the affairs of other countries, and let them handle their own problems. If the US would focus on the social and economic ills that exist inside our country we could proberly do away with a lot of them. I understand the need for foreign policy, but we try to do to much and some countries doesn't even want our help, but yet we force our way in, and this is proberly the fallout from it.</STRONG>
I couldn't have said it better myself.
This incident is proof of just how insane these fanatics can be. And if you go around pissing off these madmen and interfering where you're not wanted, there will be a backlash.
You play with fire, you get burned........

[ 09-12-2001: Message edited by: Madness ]

[JBond]

Originally posted by Mckhan:
<STRONG>"In the City of God there will be a great
"thunder, two brothers(twin towers)
torn apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader(pentagon)
will succumb. The third big war will begin when the big city is burning."
"on the 11th day of the 19 month that...two metal birds would crash into two
tall statues...in the new city... and the world will end soon after"
- Nostradamus 1554 bc -

Some guy posted this at another site. Not sure if its fiction or the actual words of Nostradamus. As some may know, Nostradamus was a prophet who predicted many things that came true years after his death. Could this be one of them??</STRONG>

That guy said a LOT of things!

[Mckhan]

- Nostradamus 1554 bc -

[/QB]

OOps! I made an error over here. Offcource it wasn't "bc", he lived after christ. Sorry about that confusion.

Originally posted by JBond:
<STRONG>

That guy said a LOT of things!</STRONG>

Yeah, he did. But many of them really occured. And perhaps, still to happen.

[The Insider]

No. It is NOT a real Notradamus quote. It´s total bull****. Nostradamus never gave away any concrete information, meaning that it wasn´t easy to "decrypt" (like "The Big Enemy Will Come"). Nostradamus used other words for things. He would never really use numbers or any other hard facts, as are indicated in the fake quote that has been circulating around the internet.
Besides, Nostradamus´ great "prophecy of doom" said that the end of the world would happen sometime in August (give or take a few days) in 2000. Last year at that time, many Nostradamus believers and also many ordinary people were anticipating something (especially in France, where Nostradamus was from), but nothing happened.

It´s just something that some stupid jerk has written that has been spread throughout the internet, because of that individual obviously thinks that he/she will get some kind sick perverted pleasure out of it, in the hopes that it will create a little panick.

Go here for confirmation (and more information) on this: http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/cityofgod.html

[Malice]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>
I couldn't have said it better myself.
This incident is proof of just how insane these fanatics can be. And if you go around pissing off these madmen and interfering where you're not wanted, there will be a backlash.
You play with fire, you get burned........

[ 09-12-2001: Message edited by: Madness ]</STRONG>

yeah well you **** with the states and we will put you on a stake.

[The Insider]

And also here: http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/hoax.html

[slinger]

Originally posted by JBond:
<STRONG>Im one of those people that try to cope with humor.
</STRONG>

I already thought of a little speech that Will Ferrell would do as Bush.

[Madness]

Originally posted by mrTECH:
<STRONG>

yeah well you **** with the states and we will put you on a stake.</STRONG>

No reason to be cocky, tech.....and probably not the most appropriate time either.........

[slinger]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>
We need someone with a clear perception and a good state of mind. Like John F. Kennedy.
</STRONG>

So that person can be killed by Corporate America and the American Government?

[slinger]

Originally posted by Jaelle Vidomni:
<STRONG>It's absolutely devastating....the sheer magnitude of it all. But this happens all the time in the middle east, some terrorists brought it here and now ppl sit up and take notice.
I live in Saskatchewan and i'm glad right now because even if they would start bombing Canada (which i really dont think they will) they wouldnt in Sask cuz only like 5 ppl live here anyways :D LOL.</STRONG>

What's the tallest building you have there? I drove through Regina and the buildings seemed smaller than here.

[Chambers]

I already mentioned, how sad we are in Germany about this tragic events. Tomorrow at 10 a.m. nearly everybody in our country will lay down his work for 5 minutes to show our deep feelings with you.... I can't really explain, what I am feeling (my knowledge of
English is not the best), sorry.

[ 09-12-2001: Message edited by: Chambers ]

[The Insider]

Originally posted by slinger:
<STRONG>

So that person can be killed by Corporate America and the American Government?</STRONG>


Er...?

[Doomsday]

OK, I haven't read this topic, but I'm gonna speak my mind.

Yes, this is a terrible thing, masterminded by terrible people. Now, I know I'm gonna get fried for this, but a lot of people I know, including a couple of you guys I'm sure, are really overreacting. I've heard people say "IT'S GONNA BE WORLD WAR III. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!" Calm down and shut up. There is not gonna be a WWIII. There is, I'm sure going to be military action, but that is much more different than an all out war. Yes, it is terrible, yes I hope they get the guys who did this, and yes I am deeply saddened by this destruction. But lets try to show some respect. Don't go around saying the world is gonna end and we're at war and everybody is gonna be drafted. If we keep our cool and stay level-headed, our country will survive, like it always has.

[JBond]

Yes, it's clear that this will not start WW3. That just doesn't make sense.

[dubloth]

ok im pissed the rag heads went to far, now i cant see collateral damage for a undetermined time!

[Chicklet]

Hey out, of all you americans, did anyone of you live where the planes crashed, or near it?

[Jaelle Vidomni]

What's the tallest building you have there? I drove through Regina and the buildings seemed smaller than here.


LOL, it's probably some hotel, slinger. But really...there arent anything even remotely like a sky scraper here. And dont go to Regina-no one likes Regina :P Saskatoon is much much prettier and bigger.

[thebtskink]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>

Even without the Florida votes, Gore won. And it was only in Florida that there was a huge "re-counting" of votes.</STRONG>

The thing is though, even with the most liberal of standards, Bush won the recounts.

We should not be talking about the election right now anyway. Its times like these where America and the rest of the free world needs to band together, and strike back. Bush said exactly what he needed to say... if you were a true American, you would put aside your Political differences to support not the man, but THE NATION. This is not a time for dissent. This is a time for unified, national support.

[thebtskink]

Support your nation. Send a message to terrorists that democracy will survive. I'm flying my flag right now.... you should too.

[Jedi Knight]

Now is not the time to insult and ridicule Bush.

Stand with God, and pray for our Nation. Whether you are not religious or not. Put aside your differences in memory of our people.

[Link]

..ICEMAN COMETH lives in N.Y. you know he might've died....

[Superchunk]

U know what this site needs?

A live chat room.

[Link]

I just figured that since he hasn't replied to the soon to be 100th post topic that ICE might have been killed....lets hope not...but how will we ever know?

[JBond]

Originally posted by Chicklet:
<STRONG>Hey out, of all you americans, did anyone of you live where the planes crashed, or near it?</STRONG>

My aunt was one of the people that ran down the streets away from the smoke.

[JBond]

Originally posted by Link:
<STRONG>I just figured that since he hasn't replied to the soon to be 100th post topic that ICE might have been killed....lets hope not...but how will we ever know?</STRONG>

Oh shut up, he didn't die. He's already posted a few times.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by thebtskink:
<STRONG>Support your nation. Send a message to terrorists that democracy will survive. I'm flying my flag right now.... you should too.</STRONG>

In this thread, I'm not Frizzo. I'm Ben. That guy has no place here. I'm flying my flag right now too. I've learned a little about terrorism while I was in the Army. But this is more than I ever fathomed. I have several friends who were working at the Pentagon. I haven't heard from any of them yet.

[EmpireOfDust]

Originally posted by Frizzo the Clown:
<STRONG>

In this thread, I'm not Frizzo. I'm Ben. That guy has no place here. I'm flying my flag right now too. I've learned a little about terrorism while I was in the Army. But this is more than I ever fathomed. I have several friends who were working at the Pentagon. I haven't heard from any of them yet.</STRONG>

My thoughts and prayers are with your friends... I hope they are ok....

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by EmpireOfDust:
<STRONG>

My thoughts and prayers are with your friends... I hope they are ok....</STRONG>
I don't pray, but I will take that in the spirit that it was intended. Thank you.

[Randy]

You democrats. I won't have this topic turned into a political battle. Over 10,000 people could be dead and all you people can whine about is if Bush can handle this. I can't believe it. I can't believe you people. Bush hasn't even been the president for 9 months and already you people are criticizing him for just trying to do his job. I would feel the same way if Gore was president. You need to feel for those people right now. If you want to criticize Bush fine. But do it on another post, not on this one!

[Frizzo the Clown]

I'll admit it. I didn't vote for Dubya. but, he is the President, and I stand behind him. He, His cabinet, his advisors, and our Congress are all working to make the right decisions. This is in no way up to one man. They all have my support.

[Randy]

That was in contrast to the earlier posts, but I don't like that politics stil manage to get in the way of this dark time. We should be mourning, not dissscussing why Bush should not be President. Understand that.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Hey, you're preaching to the choir!

[JBond]

The topics at CS go to where people's thoughts bring them to. You can't tell us we should be mourning these people as if we are sinning by not talking about it. If this gets into a discussion about Bush and his involvment, then that is what is obviously on other people's minds!

[Mckhan]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>No. It is NOT a real Notradamus quote. It´s total bull****. Nostradamus never gave away any concrete information, meaning that it wasn´t easy to "decrypt" (like "The Big Enemy Will Come"). Nostradamus used other words for things. He would never really use numbers or any other hard facts, as are indicated in the fake quote that has been circulating around the internet.
Besides, Nostradamus´ great "prophecy of doom" said that the end of the world would happen sometime in August (give or take a few days) in 2000. Last year at that time, many Nostradamus believers and also many ordinary people were anticipating something (especially in France, where Nostradamus was from), but nothing happened.

It´s just something that some stupid jerk has written that has been spread throughout the internet, because of that individual obviously thinks that he/she will get some kind sick perverted pleasure out of it, in the hopes that it will create a little panick.

Go here for confirmation (and more information) on this: http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/cityofgod.html</STRONG>

Alright, alright. I said I wasn't sure if it was real either. I thought it sounded suspicious. Just didn't have the time to snoop around to find out the truth. Sorry about that. Don't jump all over me. :)

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>

Even without the Florida votes, Gore won. And it was only in Florida that there was a huge "re-counting" of votes.</STRONG>

From CNN.com

April 4, 2001
Web posted at: 11:26 a.m. EDT (1526 GMT)

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- If a recount of Florida's disputed votes in last year's close presidential election had been allowed to proceed by the U.S. Supreme Court, Republican George W. Bush still would have won the White House, two newspapers reported Wednesday.

The Miami Herald and USA Today conducted a comprehensive review of 64,248 "undercounted" ballots in Florida's 67 counties that ended last month.

Their count showed that Bush's razor-thin margin of 537 votes -- certified in December by the Florida Secretary of State's office -- would have tripled to 1,665 votes if counted according to standards advocated by his Democratic rival, former Vice President Al Gore.

Now GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!!!! It's people like you that prompted the sale of "Sore-Loserman" bumper stickers! :D

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by JBond:
<STRONG>The topics at CS go to where people's thoughts bring them to. You can't tell us we should be mourning these people as if we are sinning by not talking about it. If this gets into a discussion about Bush and his involvment, then that is what is obviously on other people's minds!</STRONG>

I agree. I mean to offense to those who lost their lives, or those whose lives were forever changed by talking politics, but it is definitely on my mind!

[The Insider]

Originally posted by Mckhan:
<STRONG>

Alright, alright. I said I wasn't sure if it was real either. I thought it sounded suspicious. Just didn't have the time to snoop around to find out the truth. Sorry about that. Don't jump all over me. :)</STRONG>

Mckhan, I didn´t at all "jump at you". Nothing of what I said in my post about the Notradamus quote was about you. I was frustrated by the fact that som loonie actually did something so stupid like that.

[Superman]

Originally posted by JAC:
<STRONG> Our nation is under attack, we should all justy pray for peace. Prayer seems to be the only thing that keeps me from just falling back into shock over this incident.

God Bless,
---JAC

[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: JAC ]</STRONG>

I'm with you Jedi.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Theta:
<STRONG>I'd just like to emphasize that the vast majority of Islam finds actions like this every bit as horrific as we do. They're called extremists for a reason, very few Muslims support the idea that America needs to be destroyed, and it is much more than just a religious feeling; it's also political and military.
The guy down the street praying to Mecca is just as horrified as you. Remember that, and tell those who might not understand.
</STRONG>

Keep this in mind people, don't let this turn into a stereotyping like with the Japanese in WWII and Vietnam. A lot of middle eastern people live in my state and they are shocked as anyone else and many have broken down at our campus. It's heartbreaking.

[Superman]

Originally posted by dubloth:
<STRONG>ok im pissed the rag heads went to far,</STRONG>

Understandably I'm as upset as you are but let's not resort to stereotyping like we did with the Japanese and Vietnamese. I happen to be friends with a few middle eastern people who are as disgusted as we are about this and have been praying non stop. Remember, not all Germans were Nazis and not all arabs are terrorists. I live in a diverese area so I always keep that in mind.

[Superman]

As you all know I'm anti-Bush but right now I'm looking up to him because he is the only person we can look up to. We all say we want a stronger president, I do too, but the truth is we don't have one right now. We have Bush and we have to hope and support him that he may do the right thing. We are lucky that he's surrounded by smart people (Powell, Cheney, etc) and Bush will make a decision based on his advisors.

This is the worst act that we've witnessed in our lifetimes, in our parent's lifetimes and even grandparents. We all look for heroes, we all wish there was a Captain America or Superman, and you know what there are. They are the firemen, policemen, etc who are giving people hope and that's what we need. We need to find whoever did this and make them pay. I say f--k the trial and kill the bastard on the spot.

[The Insider]

Originally posted by Superman:
<STRONG> We need to find whoever did this and make them pay. I say f--k the trial and kill the bastard on the spot.</STRONG>

How diplomatic.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Superman:
<STRONG>As you all know I'm anti-Bush but right now I'm looking up to him because he is the only person we can look up to. We all say we want a stronger president, I do too, but the truth is we don't have one right now. We have Bush and we have to hope and support him that he may do the right thing. We are lucky that he's surrounded by smart people (Powell, Cheney, etc) and Bush will make a decision based on his advisors.

This is the worst act that we've witnessed in our lifetimes, in our parent's lifetimes and even grandparents. We all look for heroes, we all wish there was a Captain America or Superman, and you know what there are. They are the firemen, policemen, etc who are giving people hope and that's what we need. We need to find whoever did this and make them pay. I say f--k the trial and kill the bastard on the spot.</STRONG>

Good to hear from you! If you noticed the "What are you afraid of thread," we were getting worried!

As for your solution...It's sure hard to disagree right now... :( I mean, say it is Bin Laden - should we take out half of Afghanistan, or just get to the root of the problem??? There will always be someone to take his place, but fewer innocents would be harmed by an assasination than bombing raids after all..

Ask me, even if he is innocent in this, something needs to be done about him...

[Kyle Katarn]

I'm also glad to hear that you are behind Bush for this crisis. No one has to like him, but we must stand as one nation! We need unity now more than ever as a country. Any conflict among ourselves that results from this tragedy is a victory for those terrorist cowards!

[slinger]

They are recieving the signal from the black box from the Pentagon.

[dubloth]

Originally posted by Superman:
<STRONG>

Understandably I'm as upset as you are but let's not resort to stereotyping like we did with the Japanese and Vietnamese. I happen to be friends with a few middle eastern people who are as disgusted as we are about this and have been praying non stop. Remember, not all Germans were Nazis and not all arabs are terrorists. I live in a diverese area so I always keep that in mind.</STRONG>

TYPICAL DEMOCRAT RESPONCE

and rag head is a perfectly good term dont get all political and mushy.

[movie-man221]

with all that is going on, there is not a doubt in my mind that America will be going to war soon. the families of the people who died have my condolences, and to the people who did this, may they rot in the darkest depths of Hell.

[The Insider]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn:
<STRONG> Any conflict among ourselves that results from this tragedy is a victory for those terrorist cowards! </STRONG>

I think you´re trying to overstate your point. If the U.S. (and maybe the entire world) starts losing faith in each other, and trust starts to dissapate, that would mean that the terrorists have won. They have made us so insecure, that we can´t trust each other any more. Because we´re having a discussion about whether or not Bush is a bad president, doesn´t indicate that a victory has been won by the terrorists.
Unless you think that the terrorists won the day that Bush chose to run for presidency.

slinger, do you have a source for that? (regarding the black box)

dubloth, you scare me.

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: The Insider ]

[slinger]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>
slinger, do you have a source for that? (regarding the black box)
[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: The Insider ]</STRONG>

Well you probably know now that it is true, but I was watching CBS.

[thebtskink]

Originally posted by Superman:
<STRONG>

I'm with you Jedi.</STRONG>

Hell has frozen over.

I'm not overly religious, but I'm praying too....

[Jedi Knight]

Tomorrow is National Prayer Day.
Pray for the United States tommorrow, whether it be around the flag-pole at your school, or in your living room. It doesn't matter if you're religious or not, your country needs your prayers.
This is an extreme tragedy, but don't allow for these people to die in vain--although it seems that they have--Hope that this Country is bounded together by this tragedy; that we turn to God, and gain strength.
Because if we don't, we'll just be giving these people more time to regain their strength.

God Bless America.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by JAC:
<STRONG> It doesn't matter if you're religious or not, your country needs your prayers.
God Bless America.</STRONG>

Amen, brother!

[JBond]

I think it does matter...

[Madness]

We don't need to sit around and pray, the pope does enough of that, we need action......

[Madness]

Originally posted by dubloth:
<STRONG>

TYPICAL DEMOCRAT RESPONCE

and rag head is a perfectly good term dont get all political and mushy.</STRONG>
I am totally against serious racism. I sometimes tell racist jokes, but never with malicious intent.
By spewing this racist crap you negate the very freedom you're fighting for. Don't lower yourself like that. They're are also American terrorists, but that doesn't make all apple pie eatin' yankees terrorists, got it?

[cafeman]

I kept quet until now about this thing becuase I believed it was not my place to speak, as a foreigner, and as a person from a country bombed by USA, among other countries. I feel that now a distance from the event exists for people to be coolheaded about it. Naturally, my symathies go out to all of those who lost their loved ones in the tragedy and for all the innocent people that lost their lives or had their lives drastically altered by this terrible event. However, with the recent American foreign policy, it was just waiting to happen. American government ahs used many a terrorist group until they`re no longer useful, dumping them and leaving them alone and unprotected afterwards. This has been making both those groups as well as the governments, very bitter and angry.

Now, understand this-I am not protecting the terrorists. If you ask me, they deserve the worst possible punishment. I`ve lived in USA, I probably will again, I have many American friends that I love dearly, and overall I agree it`s a great coountry, but your foreign policy is at best seriously flawed.

Something else made me feel angry with some parts of Athe American public. Insted of stopping to contemplate the tragedy, grieve, send condolences and reevaluate life, many Americans could only act pissed off at how someone dared do this. They showed zero care for the tragedy that happened and instead just started thinking about their asses. Like, 20000 people died and all they can think about is killing some more people. Don`t jump the gun just yet.

That was my two cents. i`ve also found a gret essay by Ebert that I think says a lot about how to properly embrace this tragedy http://www.suntimes.com/output/eb-feature/cst-nws-ebert14.html

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>We don't need to sit around and pray, the pope does enough of that, we need action......</STRONG>

I'm all for action, definitely! We (ordinary citizens) can donate blood, money, food, medicine, and time...I hear that volunteers are being turned away in NY because there are so many, but remember that this cleanup will take months.

And we can pray...pray for those who lost loved ones, for those that lost their lives, for us as a Nation, and for George Bush, that he makes the right decision in how to retaliate against the monsters responsible for this...

[JBond]

Interesting thing Ebert said, but you KNOW there is going to be some memorial there. Whether it's a tablet next to a rebuilt WTC, or if it's a field with...a tablet.

[Kyle Katarn]

Are they trying it AGAIN?! I heard of arrests at airports yesterday! But now I hear on Good Morning America that secutity was just overreacting....but one man is still being detained...

[Stark]

I've gotta say that so far I've been impressed with George W. Bush, something I never thought I'd say.
I've always thought of the guys as a dangerous war-monger, but so far he has shown restraint I figured was beyond him.
The answer here isn't bombing the **** out of a whole lot of innocents to get one splinter group of nutcases - that's akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And Bush seems to be taking the same line. I know a response is on the way - no one would let something like this go without a serious retaliation and I believe if the Afghanis refuse to hand over bin Laden, they're going to cop it something chronic. And fair enough - anyone who would shield someone like this from justice (therefore giving them opportunity to do it again) deserves the father of an asskicking. But Bush can't afford to screw it up and he seems to be taking all the necessary steps to ensure they don't. Let's hope he just doesn't lose the plot and start indicriminately bombing the **** out of anyone who even remotely looks like a suspect.

But what has impressed me even more is the way the people of Washington and New York have dropped everything and pitched in to help like no tomorrow. You can keep your sports stars and rock stars and movie stars - the guys digging through the rubble with their bare hands are the real heroes. The way these people have given of themselves to try and save lives has moved me to tears on many occasions. The way people have banded together has reinforced my belief in human nature despite the sub-human nature of these attacks. When the chips are down, there is no colour, no race, no religion. Just simple humanity, which gives me faint hope that one day the violence will end.
I hope all you guys who visit the forum (and all others) are okay. I apologise for the rambling nature of this post as I am quite tired and a little emotionally drained, plus more than a little concerned about a friend of mine who works over the street from the World Trade Centre who I am yet to hear from.
Good luck to you all and I know I speak for all Aussies in wishing you all the best.

[Madness]

I've been sort of quiet on the situation but I really don't like the fact that all this flag-waving and nationalism is going around.
I sux that people died, yes, but it's ignorant to think that America didn't have it coming. They're like a bully for the planet. They take side with whomever they choose, and stick their noses in places they don't belong.
I know I'm gonna hear a backlash of people who say that I'm an ass-hole, or insensitive or whatever, but Americans just tasted their own medicine.

[Stark]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>I've been sort of quiet on the situation but I really don't like the fact that all this flag-waving and nationalism is going around.
I sux that people died, yes, but it's ignorant to think that America didn't have it coming. They're like a bully for the planet. They take side with whomever they choose, and stick their noses in places they don't belong.
I know I'm gonna hear a backlash of people who say that I'm an ass-hole, or insensitive or whatever, but Americans just tasted their own medicine.</STRONG>

People sitting in their office, or people trying to save others lives aren't getting "a taste of their own medicine".
You can look throughout history and find all nations have done something of which they are not proud and the US is not excluded from that list. But are you one of these ********s who believe that two wrongs make a right?
If you believe these innocent people, mothers, fathers, sons and daughters got what they deserved, then I have little to say to you.
Forget politics, just be a ****ing human being, man.

[Mckhan]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>

Mckhan, I didn´t at all "jump at you". Nothing of what I said in my post about the Notradamus quote was about you. I was frustrated by the fact that som loonie actually did something so stupid like that.</STRONG>

Well actually, I didn't say that you "jumped at me". What I meant was; please don't jump at me in the near future. As in, you have not jumped at me yet but please do not do so later or anytime. Cuz you really seemed pissed man. Anyway, sorry about the confusion. :)

I live in Sweden and today the entire country, at 12'00 pm local time, stopped and became silent for three minutes to tribute and pay respect to those who lost their lives or loved ones on tuesday. I read in the paper that whole Europe was going to do it at the same time.

I've never been so angry about anything in my life when I saw what "they" did to thousands of innocent people at the WTC, yet I get very frustrated when I see people who does not understand that theese sort of things is something people in many countrys have to deal with every day. That theese sufferings is partially faults made by the U.S government. Now don't get me wrong. When someone bashes the U.S with words of hate and only shows it's flaws I try to make them understand that all nations have done wrongs, the States is not alone in abusing it's power and try to show them it's rights. Nevertheless I get very angry when I hear people who has never been elswere but in the States, keep repeating that America is the only light in the world, god bless America all the time, instead of saying god bless the righteous and innocent people all around the WORLD, cause we are all living in the same world and America is not the only country on this lonely planet with mere 6 biljon souls living on it. All of them equal. And there are many other nations equal to America when it comes to civil rights, justice, and human- and life-standards.

Still, the people who did this deserves to be punished, severly.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Stark:
<STRONG>

People sitting in their office, or people trying to save others lives aren't getting "a taste of their own medicine".
Forget politics, just be a ****ing human being, man.</STRONG>

Stark, I could not have said it better myself. Madness, and all the other misguided people who think like that need to grow a heart!

[Madness]

Originally posted by Stark:
<STRONG>

People sitting in their office, or people trying to save others lives aren't getting "a taste of their own medicine".
You can look throughout history and find all nations have done something of which they are not proud and the US is not excluded from that list. But are you one of these ********s who believe that two wrongs make a right?
If you believe these innocent people, mothers, fathers, sons and daughters got what they deserved, then I have little to say to you.
Forget politics, just be a ****ing human being, man.</STRONG>

No, I don't think these innocent people got what they deserved, they had nothing to do with anything, and didn't expect attack. But innocent people DO die in other countries in bombings every year!! Where was your sympathy then?? Do you think that American innocents are better other countries innocents??
Another thing, you bring up "two wrongs make a right", do you think bombing the hell of out all Afganistan including it's innocents to make a right???

[cafeman]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>No, I don't think these innocent people got what they deserved, they had nothing to do with anything, and didn't expect attack. But innocent people DO die in other countries in bombings every year!! Where was your sympathy then?? Do you think that American innocents are better other countries innocents??
Another thing, you bring up "two wrongs make a right", do you think bombing the hell of out all Afganistan including it's innocents to make a right???</STRONG>

America bombed the **** out of us (Serbia) not too long ago too.

[Eduardo Canale]

This is sweet. I live in NJ. On the news it was reported that so-called "Arab-Americans" were in Liberty State Park cheering when the towers collapsed. Tourists that were taking pictures, photographed these a**holes and turned in the liscense plate numbers of their cars to the FBI. Now they are hunting them down for deportation. GO FBI!!! Get these animals off our soil!

[JBond]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>Another thing, you bring up "two wrongs make a right", do you think bombing the hell of out all Afganistan including it's innocents to make a right???</STRONG>

He's got a point there.

[Madness]

Originally posted by Eduardo Canale:
<STRONG>This is sweet. I live in NJ. On the news it was reported that so-called "Arab-Americans" were in Liberty State Park cheering when the towers collapsed. Tourists that were taking pictures, photographed these a**holes and turned in the liscense plate numbers of their cars to the FBI. Now they are hunting them down for deportation. GO FBI!!! Get these animals off our soil!</STRONG>

This is pure BS, FBI would never deport someone for cheering that on. It's a free country!! Stop BS-ing, and get serious!!

[slinger]

I just bought Maxim, today and they have an feature on odds and right at the start, ODDS THAT THERE WILL BE A MAJOR TERRORIST ATTACK ON U.S. SOIL 8:1

[Madness]

Originally posted by slinger:
<STRONG>I just bought Maxim, today and they have an feature on odds and right at the start, ODDS THAT THERE WILL BE A MAJOR TERRORIST ATTACK ON U.S. SOIL 8:1</STRONG>

I wonder if this was writtem before the attack??

[slinger]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>

I wonder if this was writtem before the attack??</STRONG>

Yes it was.

[Madness]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn:
<STRONG> Madness, and all the other misguided people who think like that need to grow a heart!</STRONG>

Hey, I'm against war, and against spilling more innocent blood, so I do have a heart, bigger than yours I'd imagine. But I also have brains (you can't be all heart and no brains), and they tell me that this incident didn't start on Sept. 11, this has been the culmination of years, if not decades, of US interference in foreign affairs.

[Madness]

Originally posted by slinger:
<STRONG>

Yes it was.</STRONG>

Wow, someone probably feels real guilty right about now.............

[Blank Slate]

Originally posted by Madness:
I sux that people died, yes, but it's ignorant to think that America didn't have it coming. They're like a bully for the planet. They take side with whomever they choose, and stick their noses in places they don't belong.[/QB]


My thoughts exactly, and I am Ameriacan born and bread. The media reports all the negative things about middleasterners that lead to sterotypes of those people. America is painted as the good guy, and never do anything wrong to other nations, Please! If you believe that the Us government hasn't provoked those people over their then you are neive. People wanted to know why this happened and why do the middleasterners hate the US so much, and the F%cking phony ass media says this:" It begin thousands of years ago when those Middleastern countries wealth had riveled those in Europe, and they begin to decline, and felt that those European countries are a threat to their way of life, and their religion. The US came into being, and we became known as the biggest threat to them because of our freedom and power and wealth, and our different views from theirs. The reporter went on to say some more ridiculas gibber that basically boiled down to those countries being Jealous of the US, Yeah these people are so jealous of the US that they would train, and plan years to pull off what they did, and kill themselves in the process because they are so jelous of us. The media didn't mention that the Us has bombed and killed civilians, or when the Us set up sactions against some of those countries like a half of million people starved, during Desert Storm over a million civilians were killed, or the time when the Us bombed a suspected weapons facility that turned out to be a factory that produced medicine killing the civilians workers inside, no these are not legitimate reasons for them to hate our country, but the Main reason is that they are jelous of our freedom and wealth, and the few things I just listed aren't important at all.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by JBond:
<STRONG>

He's got a point there.</STRONG>

I don't want to bomb anyone. Find the one responsible, eliminate him, and everyone in his organization that comes along! Do it up close and personal...we definitely have the soldiers...

[Kyle Katarn]

I do think the US butts in in places where we are not wanted, or needed. But, THAT DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENTS!

[tyler_durden]

Originally posted by JBond:
<STRONG>Interesting thing Ebert said, but you KNOW there is going to be some memorial there. Whether it's a tablet next to a rebuilt WTC, or if it's a field with...a tablet.</STRONG>


I don't think that they should build on that site again. I think they should turn it into a park or something like that. I think that would be an appropriate memorial.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by tyler_durden:
<STRONG>


I don't think that they should build on that site again. I think they should turn it into a park or something like that. I think that would be an appropriate memorial.</STRONG>JBond and I were talking about this saem thing the other day. We thend to agree, but I just read anm article that says that the lease-holder of the WTC is determined to rebuild on the spot......

Trade Center leaseholder is determined to rebuild (http://www.msnbc.com/news/628929.asp?pne=asp) Check it out...

[cafeman]

"I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-soaked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own...and if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the 'haves' refuse to share with the 'have-nots' by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don`t want and above all don`t want crammed down their throats by Americans"

General David M. Shoup
Commandant, US Marine Corps (1960-1963)
Winner of Congressional Medal of Honor for WWII heroism
May 14, 1966

[idiot]

I haven't spoken at all about this tragedy yet, but i intend to do so now.

In my opinion there is no excuse for the people who are cheering and celebrating this. Yes there country did get bombed by us before, but did americans enjoy it? I was actually opposing the bombing and missile strikes and now I feel dirty for ever defending them, now that I've seen their reaction. But that doesn't mean we should condemn all muslims and afgahnistans, cause hard enough as it is to believe not all of them are american-hating extremists.

Even though I am strongly democratic and have spoken out against Bush many times before, I will not do that now. Because we have to learn to cooperate with eachother. America needs each and everyone of it's inhabitants to unite for this.

As far as our foreign relation problems go, in my opinion america was dammed either way. If america hadn't helped out other countries, then we would've been seen as greedy capitalists who only care about themselves. If we did send help to them, then the enemies of the country we helped out would consider us enemies.

That being said, I don't think this is a time for vengeance. This is a time for mourning and for compassion. We need to help out in anyway we can. Whether it's donating blood, giving money, or lighting candles, we should all try our very hardest to help. If the time comes that retaliation is necessary then it should be done, but only after america has weighed the consequences of our actions very carefully, should it be done.

That's all I have to say for now. This is an emotional time for all of us and if it isn't then there is something wrong with you.

[JBond]

Originally posted by idiot:
<STRONG>This is an emotional time for all of us and if it isn't then there is something wrong with you.</STRONG>

Well now that's not fair, people deal with things in different ways.

[Kyle Katarn]

in my opinion america was dammed either way. If america hadn't helped out other countries, then we would've been seen as greedy capitalists who only care about themselves. If we did send help to them, then the enemies of the country we helped out would consider us enemies.
[/QB]

I agree with your take on foreign relations. It's really a no win situation. If we try to help one country, we draw the wrath of another, or just cause people to say, "there go those snotty Americans, trying to show people how to live again!"

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by JBond:
<STRONG>

Well now that's not fair, people deal with things in different ways.</STRONG>

I don't know idiot, but I don't think he meant any offense to you, or anyone else who does not go around crying and worrying about this 24/7. I'm sure that you feel the emotions, but if you don't want to show them all the time - if you want to deal with it using humor (like SEVERAL people I know), then that is fine! I have cried about this, and it is always on my mind, but I am also trying to get back to normalcy as much as possible.

[Jedi Knight]

I don't want things to go back to normal.

Through this tragedy, America is united. This attack did the exact opposite of what it was intended for.

God Bless,
---JAC

[JBond]

Really? I thought it was meant to kill people.

[dubloth]

it was done to piss me off, cause me and bin laden arent friends anymore, so i think he did this to get back at me.

[Jedi Knight]

Don't be snappy. Now's not the time, it never will be, ever again.

[ 09-15-2001: Message edited by: JAC ]

[Superman]

Originally posted by dubloth:
<STRONG>

TYPICAL DEMOCRAT RESPONCE

and rag head is a perfectly good term dont get all political and mushy.</STRONG>

It's not a democratic response, it's a response to not be racist. But if you are one then I feel sorry for you.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>
I am totally against serious racism. I sometimes tell racist jokes, but never with malicious intent.
By spewing this racist crap you negate the very freedom you're fighting for. Don't lower yourself like that. They're are also American terrorists, but that doesn't make all apple pie eatin' yankees terrorists, got it?</STRONG>

It's like with Germany in WWII, not all of them were Nazis, not all white people are part of the KKK, not all the Japanese wanted a war in WWII. Same here man, I've known a lot of middle eastern people who are as American as some of us. They like the same music, movies, games, sports, foods and so on. One group shouldn't give them all a bad name, the guys that did this and whp helped them deserve to die.

Remember, this is a country that bombs Iraq on a regular basis, also a country that had two citizens strap an African American to the back of a truck and drag him, a country that's had its own terrorist and the only country that has used nukes killing over 150,000 people. Does that make all of America bad? No, every country/culture has its bad.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Blank Slate:
<STRONG>


My thoughts exactly, and I am Ameriacan born and bread. The media reports all the negative things about middleasterners that lead to sterotypes of those people. America is painted as the good guy, and never do anything wrong to other nations, Please! If you believe that the Us government hasn't provoked those people over their then you are neive. People wanted to know why this happened and why do the middleasterners hate the US so much, and the F%cking phony ass media says this:" It begin thousands of years ago when those Middleastern countries wealth had riveled those in Europe, and they begin to decline, and felt that those European countries are a threat to their way of life, and their religion. The US came into being, and we became known as the biggest threat to them because of our freedom and power and wealth, and our different views from theirs. The reporter went on to say some more ridiculas gibber that basically boiled down to those countries being Jealous of the US, Yeah these people are so jealous of the US that they would train, and plan years to pull off what they did, and kill themselves in the process because they are so jelous of us. The media didn't mention that the Us has bombed and killed civilians, or when the Us set up sactions against some of those countries like a half of million people starved, during Desert Storm over a million civilians were killed, or the time when the Us bombed a suspected weapons facility that turned out to be a factory that produced medicine killing the civilians workers inside, no these are not legitimate reasons for them to hate our country, but the Main reason is that they are jelous of our freedom and wealth, and the few things I just listed aren't important at all.</STRONG>

Actually yeah I remember a British reporter who had seen this and the British media totally condemned the killing of innocents and knew it wasn't a total accident. We killed a lot more in the Persian Gulf, Japan, and Eastern Europe. No group of innocents ever deserve to die for any reason but the truth is things like this happen on a regular basis to everyone but we don't hear it.

[Superman]

Originally posted by dubloth:
<STRONG>it was done to piss me off, cause me and bin laden arent friends anymore, so i think he did this to get back at me.</STRONG>

Was this because you cheated in poker with him?

[stevefan]

As an Australian, and as a person who had a friend staying in the Marriott Hotel in NYC and hasn't heard from him, I am disgusted by what has happened, and outraged that there are actually so called 'people' out there whohave so little value for human life. Religious extremism is the most awful of crimes in that the victims are so many (the Muslim community in the West amomg them) and the justification so hypocritical (especially given that Islam is a religion that values life as much as any other, in a pure form). The monsters who did this are basically psychopaths who just happen to have a religious argument that allows them to indulge their sickening urges with moral impugnity.

Now is not the time for anyone to be concerned with political ramifications, in my view.

In war many civilians die, and many will die, but if it comes down to them or us, and I believe in the long term it does,I choose us,not 'us Christians', but 'us' as in all people who believe in mutual respect and tolerance.

Only by being utterly united in our fury, indeed more an 'uncontrollable, incandescant' rage is what I feel, not 'quiet, unyielding', can we overcome an evil so great it willtake not just years, butdecades to destroy it. Alot of terrible things will be done to win this war, but they have to be done. I don't advocate murdering innocent Muslims (most of whom are as upset about this as us), but being ruthless in our effort to destroy this threat, as the allies were in WW2, when many atrocities were committed by both sides. But now as then, they (the nations where hatred is acceptable, and don't kid yourself into thinking it is a tiny minority of Iranians and Iraqis who want the West to fall) started it, and we must not flinch when we must actually ACT and not TALK to end it. Sadly I think the Western world is too comfortable, too indulgent, too undisciplined and weak to fight this war on the terms of our enemies. Unlike them we value each individual life, and feel sickened
(I hope) when people (civillian or military) on either side are killed, this will ultimately be our downfall, THAT is why we must be absolutely ruthless and relentless. Their civillian casualties should certainly not be celebrated, but neither should they deter us from what unfortunately must be done.

The road to peace is a bloody one, and I hope the USA and all Western nations, indeed all civilized nations everywhere, have the stomach to travel it, and travel it united.

If it comes to it, I'll join up without a second thought, and I know that, even here away from the horror, many of my countrymen will join me in fighting for freedom, not just for ourselves but for many many generations to come.

In the meantime my prayers are with all people touched in any way by this crime, meaning the entire civilized world, regardless of race or religion.

(incidentally it is always worth pointing out that theologically speaking the god I pray to is shared by Islam and Judaism, which makes the events that will surely ensue so painful)

[stevefan]

And for those who believe that the Mid-East hates the USA becuase it has been mistreated it is worth remembering several things:
First and foremost, Islamic extreists have always hated Christendom, ALWAYS. This is nothing new, remember that the forces of Islam (no not ALL, but many) have repeatedly tried to assert themselves over Europe.
Secondly, the coalition (yes, there WERE other nations in the Gulf conflict) were ASKED onto Saudi soil. Desert Storm was done not to destroy Iraq, but to drive one aggressive state from another nation. Desert Shield was established, at the Saudis request, to prevent Iraq from entering that nation, as was his intention.

Anything the USA, and indeed the West (it's no coincidence that the USA has been targetted when many other nations, the UK especially are as involved, and moreso in that the UK was the key to the creation of the Jewish state) does in the Mid East is done for reasons far more complex than a simple institutional government racism. Either the WEst is asked or forced to acts, and ytou don't see us rejoicing in the deaths (in our case accidental, or incidental to a more significant agenda) of civillians in those nations. We can't be held responsible for the oppression of the Afghanis by the Taliban, or the oppression of other Muslim nations by fundamentalist regimes. The only people in the mid-east with any real source of grievance in the mid-east, in my view are the innocents of Iraq, but the US again is one of only many countries responsible for the ongoing sanctions there. As for the Palestinians, let's not forget that they hold the West largely responsible for the existance of Israel, which they refuse to accept IN ANY WAY.

It's time to stop making excuses for animals, and put them down. Just remember that the OPEC nations are quite happy to wreck our economy when it suits them, and they would not be going through this hand wringing at this point.

[thebtskink]

stevefan, I agree with you exactly.

Throughout history, USA has been ASKED to enter into conflicts, with the power it can provide. America was asked into WWII by Europe far before Pearl Harbor. It took over Vietnam from French. And pretty much all Middle Eastern conflicts we have not been the dictator-like nation we are put out to be.

The truth is, NO ONE, OR NO NATION, deserves this. America did not have it coming. America has been trampled over far too many times to count, and unjustly at that. We are not the apple-pie eatin', overweight, gun-toting, yankees we are stereotyped as. Back off.

[Superman]

Every country and religion has its extremists but the key thing to remember is to not generalize them. We aren't all racists because the KKK exist and terrorized blacks for years, we aren't all evil because one man from our nation chose to blow up a federal building. The thing we have to remember is to not be an extremist ourselves. Bin Laden's followers are extremists and hate the West, if we as a nation become extremists and hate the East how are we different than them in that train of thought? They believe all of the West is evil and we believe that they're all evil. It's not true either way.

We aren't exactly all clean either. We took this land from the Indians and wiped almost all of them out, we wiped out and kicked out the Mexicans in the West and South West. The reason? Simply because we wanted the land and didn't want anyone else to have it. Every nation and culture has its dark days of
commiting unmoral acts.

[tyler_durden]

Originally posted by idiot:
<STRONG>
As far as our foreign relation problems go, in my opinion america was dammed either way. If america hadn't helped out other countries, then we would've been seen as greedy capitalists who only care about themselves. If we did send help to them, then the enemies of the country we helped out would consider us enemies.</STRONG>

This is a very good point. If you look at all the earthquakes that have hit third world countries, who is the first to respond with aid? The U.S. Who responded to help the U.S. when the big earthquake hit San Francisco a few years ago? I know that the U.S. government has done some things that were probably not right, but I feel that the U.S. is very underappreciated. We have rushed out to help other countries in need time after time. Look at Japan. I know we dropped two atomic bombs on them killing many inocent people (which can never fully be forgiven), but we also helped them rebuild their country after WW2 and we helped create them into the technological power that they are. We did the same with the European countries. I know that the U.S. has done quite a few bad things, but they have also done their fair share of good.

Don't get me wrong. I am not a patriot by any means. I actually believe that there are many more bad things that the government is or has been involved in over the year and that we will never know about. I am not going to share a lot of my beliefs at this point in time, but lets just say I believe in some of the conspiracy theories..... :rolleyes:

:D

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by JAC:
<STRONG>I don't want things to go back to normal.
</STRONG>

Actually, you have a point. We are now no longer, Democrat, Republican, conservitave, liberal...we are AMERICANS! And now people all over realize that death does not send a calling card...you never know where or when it will strike. It just pays to know that you are ready to go...

[Blank Slate]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Superman:
<STRONG>Every country and religion has its extremists but the key thing to remember is to not generalize them. We aren't all racists because the KKK exist and terrorized blacks for years, we aren't all evil because one man from our nation chose to blow up a federal building. The thing we have to remember is to not be an extremist ourselves. Bin Laden's followers are extremists and hate the West, if we as a nation become extremists and hate the East how are we different than them in that train of thought? They believe all of the West is evil and we believe that they're all evil. It's not true either way.

We aren't exactly all clean either. We took this land from the Indians and wiped almost all of them out, we wiped out and kicked out the Mexicans in the West and South West. The reason? Simply because we wanted the land and didn't want anyone else to have it. Every nation and culture has its dark days of
commiting unmoral acts.</STRONG>[/Q

This is true about America not being clean, but what you forgot to mention is that America has done these things, and feel they were justified in doing so, and don't have to own up to their sins, don't think so? Look at how the US walked out the Race discrimination summit. Why? Because the Us feels that they've done no wrong, or it's an issue that doesn't affect the majority in this country, so therefore deemed unimportant.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Blank Slate:
<STRONG>[QUOTE]Originally posted by Superman:
Every country and religion has its extremists but the key thing to remember is to not generalize them. We aren't all racists because the KKK exist and terrorized blacks for years, we aren't all evil because one man from our nation chose to blow up a federal building. The thing we have to remember is to not be an extremist ourselves. Bin Laden's followers are extremists and hate the West, if we as a nation become extremists and hate the East how are we different than them in that train of thought? They believe all of the West is evil and we believe that they're all evil. It's not true either way.

We aren't exactly all clean either. We took this land from the Indians and wiped almost all of them out, we wiped out and kicked out the Mexicans in the West and South West. The reason? Simply because we wanted the land and didn't want anyone else to have it. Every nation and culture has its dark days of
commiting unmoral acts.</STRONG>[/Q

This is true about America not being clean, but what you forgot to mention is that America has done these things, and feel they were justified in doing so, and don't have to own up to their sins, don't think so? Look at how the US walked out the Race discrimination summit. Why? Because the Us feels that they've done no wrong, or it's an issue that doesn't affect the majority in this country, so therefore deemed unimportant.

I'm not justifying that wiping out the Indians and provoking the Mexicans into a war simply for land was right. Slavery during the time this land was being colonized and racism less than 50 years ago. We've done bad as every nation and culture has, in no way am I justifying what this country has done in a lot of things. But you have to admit we have done a lot of good too.

However I feel like we're living in the 60's again with the racism towards middle eastern's. Where I live there are a lot of them and I've been hearing a lot of reports where they're beating up these people and trashing their stores. Its ridiculous and I thought people would have learned not to do this by now.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Insider:
<STRONG>


It´s not about whether I or someone else can "run the country better". It´s about how good the person currently in control can run it. And during the short time in which Bush has been president he has almost started a war with China and he´s just about to begin the Cold War again (what with the missileshield and so forth).
I don´t understand how anyone can respect a man like Bush. I´ve never met anyone who likes him. Gore was the clear favorite in the rest of the world (and also in the U.S. too. He got more votes than Bush in total).
Bush is the kind of guy who doens´t understand how to handle military issues. Just look on how he has handled his job during the last few months, and you´ll find evidence of this.
Bush is someone who wouldn´t feel much remorse after having dropped 5 megabombs over a small country, thereby killing a handfull of teorists and thousands of innocent people. He wouldn´t even blink.
We need someone with a clear perception and a good state of mind. Like John F. Kennedy.

But let´s not turn this topic into a discussion about Bush and his failings. We can always do that another time.</STRONG>

Just for the record...

So, even though you, and a lot of other people don't know jack about what he truely is going through, along with the people in New York and Washington, and the families of those who have passed away...you can still judge him as a President through the first few months of his presidency...

Don't reply, I get it. Keep it on the DL.

God Bless America, and continue to pray
---JAC

[Doomsday]

I favor Bush over Gore any day, for both economic and moral issues. Tax cuts are good, education is good, and this terrorist thing is something that will truly test whether or not he is a good president.

Gore would have hiked taxes even more, and I, being a moral guy, disagree on many of his so-called "morals." I don't support euthanasia, abortion, the death penalty, and all of this WAS supported by Gore. Yes I know Bush supports the death penalty, but I respect him because he doesn't support the rest. I think the morals of this country is a far more greater concern than the economy. I'm not trying to remake a theology debate, but I think America has been morally blinded the past few decades. And hopefully the terrorist situation will help people respect life. Now go ahead and chew me out, I'm waiting. :D

[aeon-death]

i actually agree with you doomsday.

[aeon-death]

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[thebtskink]

This sums up my feelings:

God Bless the U.S.A.
by Lee Greenwood


If tomorrow all the things were gone
I'd worked for all my life,
And I had to start again
with just my children and my wife,
I'd thank my lucky stars
to be living here today,
'Cause the flag still stands for freedom
and they can't take that away.


I'm proud to be an American
where at least I know I'm free,
And I won't forget the men who died
who gave that right to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend her still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.


From the lakes of Minnesota
to the hills of Tennessee,
Across the plains of Texas
from sea to shining sea.
From Detroit down to Houston
and New York to L.A.,
There's pride in every American heart
and it's time we stand and say:


I'm proud to be an American
where at least I know I'm free,
And I won't forget the men who died
who gave that right to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend her still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.

[Blank Slate]

Originally posted by Superman:
<STRONG>

I'm not justifying that wiping out the Indians and provoking the Mexicans into a war simply for land was right. Slavery during the time this land was being colonized and racism less than 50 years ago. We've done bad as every nation and culture has, in no way am I justifying what this country has done in a lot of things. But you have to admit we have done a lot of good too.

However I feel like we're living in the 60's again with the racism towards middle eastern's. Where I live there are a lot of them and I've been hearing a lot of reports where they're beating up these people and trashing their stores. Its ridiculous and I thought people would have learned not to do this by now.</STRONG>

Well at least this is out of anger of what happened at the WTC, and therefore only temporary to middle easterners. Thank God they won't have to go through hate crimes forever, and it's sad that people are actually coming down on them, and they like everyone else had nothing to do with the attack and are just as horrified as the next person. I don't know what closed world you live in, but his sort of thing happens to Blacks all the time, and worse and, we've done nothing to provoke racism against us. Unfortunatley our SKIN IS OUR SIN. I'm honestly glad that people of middle eastern won't have to put up with this for the rest of their lives, I wouldn't wish being discriminated against anybody, but on a somewhat positive not(if you can call it that) I've experianced it so much first hand that it hardly bothers me anymore, and I've come to expect it when dealing with mainstream America.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by thebtskink:
<STRONG>This sums up my feelings:

God Bless the U.S.A.
by Lee Greenwood

</STRONG>

Johnson City, Tenn. always uses that song in their 4th of July fireworks display! It made me cry most of the time even BEFORE the attacks!

[Agent_87]

God Bless the U.S.A.
by Lee Greenwood


...although i'm not American. I must say, i was moved by the poem.
Being Canadian, i live in the shadow of American culture and must say, i regard it as a part of my own.

...and i support, any action the United States takes in this war on terrorism. :eek:

[Jedi Knight]

"One Nation, indivisible...."

After this attack, I know we are.


It's hard for me, in this time, to really write down what I really feel about this. I guess it's because I'm feeling so many emotions; anger, remorse, pride, and sometimes I try to laugh.
Saying the atack unified us, is an understatement...we are one nation now. Comedians are putting away the gags for remorse and humility, Mothers and Fathers are praying and watching with their children, and people are losing that one part of them that focuses on them; it's now what they can do for somebody else.
I guess what I could really say is...God, help us.
Just one moment of silence doesn't seem to matter that much, we need to put away everything that we once were, the part of us that focuses on us; what we need, what we usually do...and just stop, and look to the sky, and pray.
Sometimes we just say 'God Bless America' in a sort of 'Have a nice day, America' type of way, I know I do. But, really, God Bless America in every sense of the word, from the bottom of my heart and soul...God BLESS America, and everything we have and need to be. Bring us to what you want us to be, and help us through everything we're going through...may we do right in the future, and may we hope for better days; better than what we were.

[Madness]

Sheesh get of your soap box, and your mothers soap operas aren't for you, drama-queen..............

[Superman]

Originally posted by Blank Slate:
<STRONG>Well at least this is out of anger of what happened at the WTC, and therefore only temporary to middle easterners. Thank God they won't have to go through hate crimes forever, and it's sad that people are actually coming down on them, and they like everyone else had nothing to do with the attack and are just as horrified as the next person. I don't know what closed world you live in, but his sort of thing happens to Blacks all the time, and worse and, we've done nothing to provoke racism against us. Unfortunatley our SKIN IS OUR SIN. I'm honestly glad that people of middle eastern won't have to put up with this for the rest of their lives, I wouldn't wish being discriminated against anybody, but on a somewhat positive not(if you can call it that) I've experianced it so much first hand that it hardly bothers me anymore, and I've come to expect it when dealing with mainstream America.</STRONG>

This could be the start for middle easterns too, some dude in Northern Cali was killed because he was Egyptian. They've been dealing with stereotypes for a while now but we don't hear about it as much, in my area you always see it. I think blacks had it bad and to this day there is nothing that can make up for the horror of what happened. I can't imagine being dragged out of my country and ripped away from my home and family to be belittled and put down and be nothing but a servant.

I understand that today most people stereotype blacks as ghetto gangsta's, but I believe that is an unfair representation. I know a lot of blacks who are highly intelligent and educated and some of these guys from the "ghetto" are smart as hell.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>Sheesh get of your soap box, and your mothers soap operas aren't for you, drama-queen..............</STRONG>
Were you born a punk, or did you grow into it?

[Madness]

Originally posted by JAC:
<STRONG>
Were you born a punk, or did you grow into it?</STRONG>

Were you born a drama-queen??
Hey, if me being real makes me a "punk".....
I dunno, it's better than this fake-ass attitude you dish out. You think by acting all holier than thou, it makes it true???
Here's a little of my soap-box:
To thine own self be true.

[Mckhan]

Originally posted by stevefan:
<STRONG>And for those who believe that the Mid-East hates the USA becuase it has been mistreated it is worth remembering several things:
First and foremost, Islamic extreists have always hated Christendom, ALWAYS. This is nothing new, remember that the forces of Islam (no not ALL, but many) have repeatedly tried to assert themselves over Europe.
Secondly, the coalition (yes, there WERE other nations in the Gulf conflict) were ASKED onto Saudi soil. Desert Storm was done not to destroy Iraq, but to drive one aggressive state from another nation. Desert Shield was established, at the Saudis request, to prevent Iraq from entering that nation, as was his intention. </STRONG>

Where does this information come from and are you sure it is seen from an objective point of view? Please motify.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>

Were you born a drama-queen??
Hey, if me being real makes me a "punk".....
I dunno, it's better than this fake-ass attitude you dish out. You think by acting all holier than thou, it makes it true???
Here's a little of my soap-box:
To thine own self be true.</STRONG>
Aren't you judging me for talking about my views on this tragedy? I wasn't trying to be 'holy', I was trying to sum up my feelings on what happened.
Now, shut up. Now's not the time for judgement, now's the time to become unified.

[Madness]

Originally posted by JAC:
<STRONG>
Now's not the time for judgement</STRONG>

Hmm, I coulda sworn you called me a punk, O judicious one..............

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>Sheesh get of your soap box, and your mothers soap operas aren't for you, drama-queen..............</STRONG>

Madness...what is your problem? Who are you to criticize someone's reactions to this tragedy?

[Agent_87]

Pay no attention to MADNESS!
...he's just as affected by this heinous event as any of us! he just reacts differently. he likes to hide his true feelings, by poking other people when they're down. :mad:
...he's always been one of those guys, who has to be the diffent one. the one who doesn't conform, to what the "norm" is saying or feeling. but trust me, he's as scared of what the future holds, as any of us.

...and madness, if you read this before 11PM tonight, give my cell a call ...cause i still wouldn't mind burning :eek: before i go down for the night!

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>

Hmm, I coulda sworn you called me a punk, O judicious one..............</STRONG>
You were the one who was mocking me for writing down what I felt! Gosh, what is your problem? The nation is finally uniting and praying together and all you can do is mock me for putting into words what I felt about what has been happening!
How about you go tell this to all the families, who didn't know anyone in the attacks, that mourned over what happened last week? Are you going to call them 'Drama Queens'? They're Americans, and it would be un-American, no, Inhuman to not feel some remorse for what has happened.
There are times when you can be critical, and there are times when you just need to shut the heck up; and now, is the time you need to shut your mouth.
Don't ever cross me again.

[Blank Slate]

Originally posted by Superman:
<STRONG>

This could be the start for middle easterns too, some dude in Northern Cali was killed because he was Egyptian. They've been dealing with stereotypes for a while now but we don't hear about it as much, in my area you always see it. I think blacks had it bad and to this day there is nothing that can make up for the horror of what happened. I can't imagine being dragged out of my country and ripped away from my home and family to be belittled and put down and be nothing but a servant.

I understand that today most people stereotype blacks as ghetto gangsta's, but I believe that is an unfair representation. I know a lot of blacks who are highly intelligent and educated and some of these guys from the "ghetto" are smart as hell.</STRONG>

I think, and I hope that this discrimination against arab americans, and those who look to be arab is only temporary. Someone mentioned that a person was shot or beat up one of the two I can't be for sure, but the person was Hindu, and that has nothing to do with Islam, tragic truly tragic. People please have enough consideration for your fellow american, and not come down on those who are arab or look to be, the people that did this does not represent any nationality, and terrorism isn't specific to a race, but to any person no matter what race, religion, and background they come from.

[Madness]

Originally posted by JAC:
<STRONG>
Don't ever cross me again.</STRONG>

Hey, shut your mouth!!! I wasn't condemning or judging the way you "feel", I was condemning this propaganda that's been spewed out almost everywhere I look and especially from your lips!!
Things like, "Saying the atack unified us, is an understatement...we are one nation now." Really?? Were you guys a nation when people were using the attacks on the WTC to loot nearby stores??? Or maybe you were a nation when people called in phoney bomb threats all across America, even the White house for god's sake!!
Or maybe this new unity you speak of is shown in the form of racism?? The day after people were chasing down anyone of middle eastern race, and harrasing them. People bagan throwing fire bombs into Muslim mosques, and there are even repots of murder. People being KILLED because of their race!! This is the pinnalce of American ignorance. Most of these people weren't even from Afganistan. Some were from Pakistan, a country by the way, that is siding with the States! And then when I hear someone turn around and say, "This has brought out the best in America" it really friggen pisses me off!!! Nothings changed for you guys!! You guy's will fight this war, win, and go back to being the capitalistic, gun toting, racist nation you've always been!!
So, Jedi, don't ever cross ME again, cuz I don't just talk atta my ass like you!!!!

[thebtskink]

Madness.. The incidents you speak of are few and far inbetween, by people who looked down upon in America.

America is just as complex as any other nation.. A few *******s who want to kill and loot in reaction should not be the standard to judge us all on. A great number of Americans, most for that matter, are unified.

[Madness]

I know skink. I'm sorry for my previous post, but I've been hearing so much propaganda lately that it's got me on edge. Although last weeks events were tragic, they are not rare to world, not in the slightest. And I've heard things like, "This is the biggest story in history." and "The most tragic event since the nazi's" BULL! This stuff goes on all teh time, and sometimes, by USA's hand. Although I do not wish death of this kind to any innocent people, I cannot sit quietly by, as people act like it's the most tragic event of recent history...............

[Jedi Knight]

Thinking like that only divides us, and I'm pretty freaking tired of it. So shut your mouth. Who are you to decide, or 'predict' what will happen to this nation after the war is over? Exactly. So don't divide what hope we have and turn it into anger.
These rascists acts are no better than what the Terrorists did, but just because a few monsters stepped from the shadows and took away innocent lives, doesn't mean that the whole nation is with them. So, do me a favor, SHUT UP. Now is not the time to be adding more judgement to America in it's time of healing and prayer.
You're good at being critical, but not much else.

[thebtskink]

Originally posted by Madness:
<STRONG>I know skink. I'm sorry for my previous post, but I've been hearing so much propaganda lately that it's got me on edge. Although last weeks events were tragic, they are not rare to world, not in the slightest. And I've heard things like, "This is the biggest story in history." and "The most tragic event since the nazi's" BULL! This stuff goes on all teh time, and sometimes, by USA's hand. Although I do not wish death of this kind to any innocent people, I cannot sit quietly by, as people act like it's the most tragic event of recent history...............</STRONG>

Ok... I know where you're coming from right now then... I understand perfectly. Media likes to point out the bad apples whenever they can, sometimes giving the bad seeds exposure instead... its truly sad.

[Superman]

Originally posted by JAC:
<STRONG>Thinking like that only divides us, and I'm pretty freaking tired of it. So shut your mouth. Who are you to decide, or 'predict' what will happen to this nation after the war is over? Exactly. So don't divide what hope we have and turn it into anger.
These rascists acts are no better than what the Terrorists did, but just because a few monsters stepped from the shadows and took away innocent lives, doesn't mean that the whole nation is with them. So, do me a favor, SHUT UP. Now is not the time to be adding more judgement to America in it's time of healing and prayer.
You're good at being critical, but not much else.</STRONG>

Look lets not let this tragedy divide us by being disrespectful to those that died, but I don't think its necessary to start so many tribute posts and act so grim. We're hearing this every where every minute of the day, it can get to people because its either overhwelming or its just angers us more by what happened.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Blank Slate:
<STRONG>I think, and I hope that this discrimination against arab americans, and those who look to be arab is only temporary. Someone mentioned that a person was shot or beat up one of the two I can't be for sure, but the person was Hindu, and that has nothing to do with Islam, tragic truly tragic. People please have enough consideration for your fellow american, and not come down on those who are arab or look to be, the people that did this does not represent any nationality, and terrorism isn't specific to a race, but to any person no matter what race, religion, and background they come from.</STRONG>

Yeah two guys were shot and killed, one in AZ and one in North L.A. Like I said I know people part of the Islam faith or Arabs and believe me they don't see us as the "white devil." Most of them came here to escape the harsh governments they have there and to be free.

[JBond]

Originally posted by Superman:
<STRONG>

Look lets not let this tragedy divide us by being disrespectful to those that died, but I don't think its necessary to start so many tribute posts and act so grim. We're hearing this every where every minute of the day, it can get to people because its either overhwelming or its just angers us more by what happened.</STRONG>

No kidding...

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Superman:
<STRONG>

Look lets not let this tragedy divide us by being disrespectful to those that died, but I don't think its necessary to start so many tribute posts and act so grim. We're hearing this every where every minute of the day, it can get to people because its either overhwelming or its just angers us more by what happened.</STRONG>

Alright, here's my 2 cents. There are those that are tired of hearing about this, and they do not want to dwell on it any more than they have to. That is fine, and the view of these people should be respected. BUT there are those that do want to talk about this, and they should be able to if they want. No 2 people are dealing with what happened in exactly the same way.

Everyone needs to be tolerant of each other right now - talking about this does NOT make anyone a drama queen, and not talikng about it does NOT mean anyone is cold and unfeeling!

[Jedi Knight]

Consider this my last post for a long time, so don't bother insulting anything of what I'm about to say. '
Sometimes, in tragedies like this, people deal with it in 'different' ways; some cry, some joke to help comfort...but insulting and poking 'fun' at someone who IS saddened and weeping for lose lost, and those also coping with what has happened, is not 'dealing with it.' Stop your stupid excuses, it just isn't.
Basically what you guys have said is, to put it simply, is that 'Anyone can deal with this any way they want, just as long as we don't feel too depressed by what they're saying.'
If you were on the sidewalks of New York on Sept. 11th, and a person came up, bawling to you, covered in an awful mess of dust and blood, would you throw them off, too? Because they were too 'depressing' for you?
If you were in the Cathedral when Billy Graham said that the Country has been unified, would you have stood up and thrown a little hissy-fit about how we're all self-conscious sluggards who will return to our ways in time, and that all the crime happening is just an example of 'hypocrisy' of our Nation? Doing that is just an example that you have very little love in your heart, for anything that has happened. Because if you did have any compassion for what has happened, you wouldn't be keeping a record of evil. You would acknowledge it, but not distinguish it as 'America as usual.'
Some of you people are horrible cowards, you look to the sides, and never acknowledge the human emotion. You can critisize, but you never think of whether or not you could have done as better. Your judgement has left you with very little compassion. And, to put it simply, you disqust me.
Let me tell you a little bit about my family[I], OK? Not my own flesh and blood, but about my Country. We argue, we steal, we quarrel more than we agree. We are more focused on a Celebrity's outfit than whether or not the other is feeling well...but we're a family, none the less. And I won't allow some punks with keyboards that wouldn't last a day where I walk to insult [i]my family, My God, and who I am.
The way you deal with tragedies like these, defines you as a person, in my mind. And the fact that many of you have shifted away hope or love, amazes me. Not just in this tragedy, also...in many other circumstances, many of you have shown heartless abandon, insulting whoever crosses you, selling out anyone because they show something in them that you don't have.
You're blind enough not to think. You come to places on a computer for security, maybe because you can't find it outside, or because, you just don't have enough courage to talk elsewhere. While some just come, because they're in boredom, or they find it entertaining...and some use communication as a tool, wherevever they go.
You'll probably read this message and curse me with words, as you probably do a lot. But I'm not intimidated by someone who types out their responses to me, or if they say it to my face; because I've got nothing to fear, and I'm brave enough to walk where you can't.

In God's steps, even through times of tears, forever and ever.

[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: JAC ]

[rObix]

remove your head from your ass BEFORE you go on one of your diatribes, jedi. i dont see a lot of people who have turned anyone away. its quite the opposite. this hasnt been a time of division. its been a time of unison paralelled only by world war 2. in fact the biggest words/actions of division ive heard through this whole thing(besides the many unfortunate attacks on arabs and muslums) has been from a "man of god", jerry fallwell. blaming it on left wingers, pro choisers, and womens lib. anyway, what does it matter if this is gonna be your last post for a while(which, by the way is a little odd. you judge everyone, and then run away without reading the feedback to it)....hopefully, your last post ever.

[Superman]

Jedi, I'm glad this is your last post for a long time because I never have read so much BS in my life. I think you missed the point, no one said we'd turn anyone away if they were in need. If anything I think every single person would lend an arm, leg or whatever. Don't sell us short like that and think your all high and mighty. We know what we feel, but we also know we gotta move forward and fight this thing through. We have to try to go back to normal otherwise the terrorists have won and corrupted our way of life.

[slinger]

ehh...

[thebat]

Well said SUPERMAN...you deserve the user name you have chosen!

[JBond]

Call me crazy, but somehow I feel this thread should be kept.

SOmething weird I just heard today, it turns out one or more of the terrorist in the flight school or whatever didn't want to learn how to land! That's almost funny.

[Superman]

[quote]Originally posted by JBond:
<strong>Call me crazy, but somehow I feel this thread should be kept.

SOmething weird I just heard today, it turns out one or more of the terrorist in the flight school or whatever didn't want to learn how to land! That's almost funny.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hahahah! It's a one way ticket!

[JBond]

*bump*

It was quite interesting to read through this again, this has got to be the greatest (not that kind of great) thread we have on the boards. Funny how much we we're panicing at first.

[JBond]

[quote]Originally posted by JBond on 9/11:
<strong>...I wonder how long it will be before Bay and Bruckheimer decide to make a movie about this day with Afflek and Harnett. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://www.unitedstates.com/news/farticle/740136?20020116224038" target="_blank">http://www.unitedstates.com/news/farticle/740136?20020116224038</A>

I knew it before Bruckheimer did!!

[Olorin]

[quote]Originally posted by JBond:
<strong>

<a href="http://www.unitedstates.com/news/farticle/740136?20020116224038" target="_blank">http://www.unitedstates.com/news/farticle/740136?20020116224038</a>

I knew it before Bruckheimer did!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are a genus.

*With a bow, Olorin congratulates himself for saying the world's most overused joke.*

[ 01-17-2002: Message edited by: Olorin ]</p>

[Moe Szyslak]

[quote]Originally posted by Olorin:
<strong>

You are a genus.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A genus, huh. I can't remember my biology all that well but isn't that associated with phylums and species?

[Olorin]

[quote]Originally posted by Moe Szyslak:
<strong>

A genus, huh. I can't remember my biology all that well but isn't that associated with phylums and species?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The edit makes it funnier... I hope. I wasted 43 seconds, otherwise.

[Malice]

OK all, what is your opinion of "Americas New War" now that is has been over 3 months since it happened?

[Kyle Katarn]

Well, the sense of impending doom has faded...

I heard on the radio last night that Pakistan was saying that Osama was probably dead of Kidney cancer! What a load of BS!!!!! :mad: He's still out there somewhere....

I aslo wonder about the new "warnings" issued regularly. With all the stories of people getting on planes with weapons (either by accident or intentionally), it seems to me that if these warnings were legit, then we would have had another 9/11 by now. I think it's just to keep people on edge...

[TyRoss]

If Pakistan is trying to say he's dead (of kidney cancer of all things) then wouldn't anyone else say that's just a little suspicious of Pakistan?

[Wood]

That's what I think, but the government seems not to... I guess they're pretty dumb that way.

[JBond]

[quote]Originally posted by Kyle Katarn:
<strong>I aslo wonder about the new "warnings" issued regularly. With all the stories of people getting on planes with weapons (either by accident or intentionally), it seems to me that if these warnings were legit, then we would have had another 9/11 by now. I think it's just to keep people on edge...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do you think they made up the shoe bomb thing?

[Kyle Katarn]

[quote]Originally posted by JBond:
<strong>
Do you think they made up the shoe bomb thing?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course not...I'm talking about the times Ashcroft has come out telling us to be on "high alert" for terrorist activity...though they "can't give us details!"

Who knows, though, we may never know how close we have come to being wiped out....

[JBond]

Thta's kind of how I feel. not WIPED OUT, but I personally think we got s alittle lucky recently, I mean maybe the Golden Gate Bridge was in danger. And from what I heard, the shoe bomb guy had connections to Al-Quieda. I've been kind of 50/50 on the "will they strike again" thing. Although I don't think they'll be ablr to do anything with the magnitude of the WTC, they actually got lucky there.

[Kyle Katarn]

I'm pretty concerned about Iraq myself...it's like they're going around trying to get us to attack them!

[TyRoss]

I've always been worried the Chineese will get involved in the whole affair somehow.

[JBond]

And it's not getting any better with us putting spying equipment in their airplane :rolleyes:

I almost felt ashamed when I heard about that!

[Psylent]

I just saw the movie "Hannibal"(sp) during the Christmas break. I know the movie was made before the crash, so something hit me when Osama's showed up on the screen along with Dr.Hannibal. Somehow I have a feeling the attack was somehow triggered by the scene.
It may sound stupid, though. But maybe those terroists didn't like to see that...

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[beemanbone]

[quote]Originally posted by JBond:
<strong>I almost felt ashamed when I heard about that!</strong><hr></blockquote>
As did I. It's just more reasons for the world to hate the U.S.

[Kyle Katarn]

[quote]Originally posted by JBond:
<strong>And it's not getting any better with us putting spying equipment in their airplane :rolleyes:
</strong><hr></blockquote>

When was this???

[TyRoss]

Early 2001.

[JBond]

Early 2002 methinks

[Malice]

[quote]Originally posted by TyRoss:
<strong>I've always been worried the Chineese will get involved in the whole affair somehow.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The chinese, its not their style for Terrorism, they would BOMB us before using terror tactics....

[SamuraiiSam]

Has anyone heard how NYC is doing? How far are they in getting the mess cleaned up? I haven't heard anything for a while.

[JBond]

Niether here, like a month ago I heard they were doing "well" with the clean up.

Anyone hear about the missing suitcase bomb thing?

[The Insider]

You´re right JBond, it´s strange (yet great) to look back on this thread, and how are feelings and moods changed radically during just a few weeks time. It actually reminds me of the book "Lord of the Flies". At first, we were all united, then seperated into fractions, then fighting each other. I thought JBond was a fantastic diplomat throughout this thread, and I also thought Superman and rObix handled the situation very very well.

[JBond]

And if you want to see people's intial reactions to the WTC attacks.

[Movie mogul]

Before seeing the date of the first post i thought someone was playing a prank, as in pretending they only heared of the attacks now! LMAO.

[IdahoMR2man]

I don't want to read this thread. It makes me too sad. I wished I'd been around here during those days....