Why is Pippen with Gandalf when he goes out to save Osgiliath?

[Indy4]

Why is Pippen with Gandalf when he goes out to save Osgiliath?

It seems out of place or an error.

I know afterwords Pippen sees Faramir and then they find out that he has seen more hobbits.

But why would Gandalf risk Pippen getting hurt?

[flukeman]

I thought of that too - it did seem a little odd. I guess Pippin is sort of like Gandalf's sidekick now :) Or maybe since Pip is in the service of Gondor now he went along.

But it did lead to that awesome shot of them both on Shadowfax when Gandalf throws back his cloak and Pippin is revealded to Faramir.

[Necross]

It really isn't that big a deal.

[KenM]

Well maybe Pippin was with Gandalf when Gandalf looked over the wall and saw the soldiers riding for they're lives, with the fell beasts coming down on them. Gandalf had to do something, fast, so He ran out, he did not have time to drop Pippin down.

[Glordreen]

that sounds right.

[Rogue Program]

Or maybe Gandalf is just that damn confident in his abilities and took Pippin along for the thrill of it.

[Knerys]

I Or he was making sure Pippin was safe. Maybe he didn't trust in himin the city. *shrug*

[moviegeek]

isn't it like that in the books?

[Detori]

nope- in the books Pippin is with Beregond at that moment, and he watches it happen from the walls.

I have a theory that this scene was originally made to co-indide with their first entry into the city; listen to the soundtrack- it plays that part before the part you hear when he's going up the city.

Of course that's not chronologically correct, and I like it the way it is anyway

[Knerys]

Yeah that what I was thinking. They ride in see the nazgul chasing the calvary tehn enter the city and ride up the Citidel.

But the way it is on screen makes a little more sense.

[Boiiinng]

it seems to coincide with the initial entry by Gandalf and Pip into Gondor to me as well, they probably shot it that way, but edited it differently to not make it seem so coincidental

[JustAnAlias]

I just thought that Gandalf wouldn't trust a hobbit alone with Nazgul around.

[PsYkOoOoO]

ive always thought gandalf was like the teacher to pippin...and the reason why he brought him out was to show him the horror of war...to visually see how scary and terrible the fell beasts are...i dont know..

[Yeah Ok]

Originally posted by Detori
nope- in the books Pippin is with Beregond at that moment, and he watches it happen from the walls.

I have a theory that this scene was originally made to co-indide with their first entry into the city; listen to the soundtrack- it plays that part before the part you hear when he's going up the city.

Of course that's not chronologically correct, and I like it the way it is anyway

Believe it or not that makes perfect sense. The riders are racing towards the main gate and Gandalf comes in at an angle which may make you think there is a backdoor to Minas Tirith.

Also there is talk of a deleted scene where Faramir gives Pippin his old armor... well Faramir is in Osgiliath at the time, and Pippin is seen with it at night during the "Any Hope Gandalf?" scene.

Good observation!

[PsYkOoOoO]

well it might be....

[Necross]

I think it was good the way it was anyway. As for Faramir giving Pippin his armor, I think he will ride out to Osgiliath after giving him the armor and then it will do those fight scenes and then the one where Gandalf rides out to save them.

[redxavier]

Why do people always spell Pippin with an e? ;)

[JustAnAlias]

Who does that?

[The Moose]

Indy4 did it when he started this thread, and many other people have replaced the final i with an e for some reason

[Yeah Ok]

NBA star Scottie Pippen

[Izzy]

Well Pip would of course be safer with Gandalf than with anyone in Gondor, i mean gandalf did have a flash light of terror, who wouldn't feel safe with that?

[Brandy]

I believe there is a missing scene that explains why Pippin was with Gandalf. I know there is a an daylight image with Gandalf and Pippin standing together at the top of the Citadel, looking out towards Mordor (not the balcony pictures) . . I think it is this moment that they spot Faramir and knights retreating from Osgiliath. It's on a Decipher card.


Pippin wearing cloak:
Decipher: Gandalf and Pippin (http://shop.decipher.com/Images/CardImages/LOTR-EN07051.jpg)

Decipher: Gandalf and Pippin to the rescue (http://shop.decipher.com/Images/CardImages/LOTR-EN07031.jpg)

Note that Pippin is not wearing Lothlorien cloak:
Decipher: Gandalf and Pippin on balcony (http://shop.decipher.com/Images/CardImages/LOTR-EN07046.jpg)

[Necross]

Originally posted by Brandy
I believe there is a missing scene that explains why Pippin was with Gandalf. I know there is a an daylight image with Gandalf and Pippin standing together at the top of the Citadel, looking out towards Mordor (not the balcony pictures) . . I think it is this moment that they spot Faramir and knights retreating from Osgiliath. It's on a Decipher card.


Pippin wearing cloak:
Decipher: Gandalf and Pippin (http://shop.decipher.com/Images/CardImages/LOTR-EN07051.jpg)

Decipher: Gandalf and Pippin to the rescue (http://shop.decipher.com/Images/CardImages/LOTR-EN07031.jpg)

Note that Pippin is not wearing Lothlorien cloak:
Decipher: Gandalf and Pippin on balcony (http://shop.decipher.com/Images/CardImages/LOTR-EN07046.jpg)


Ah excellent point considering Pippin is wearing the cloak when he rides out to save Faramir. I can picture Gandalf telling him he can't come but then Pippin making some comment about how since he is going to have to face this battle he needs to immerse himself in the danger and get used to the feeling or something to that effect. You know what I mean?

[DangerMouse]

~~~~~~~All will be explained in the Extended DVD ~~~~~~~

[Cloud Buster]

Originally posted by DangerMouse
~~~~~~~All will be explained in the Extended DVD ~~~~~~~

Not necessarily. Remember, PJ became very concerned with ROTK's pacing in the year before delivery. He needed to create a "sense of urgency", which is why the scene in the Edoras stables was reshot, thus losing "We shall see the Shire again" (as I understand it).

I believe that Gandalf & Pippin were originally intended to see the retreating Faramir as they initially descended upon the Pellenor, and that the stuff with the Orcs attacking Osgiliath would have occurred during the night as Gandalf & Pippin were riding towards Minas Tirith. As well as the continuity reasons given in previous posts, one thing really stuck out in my mind the first time Gandalf & Pippin arrive at MT -- they never show them pass through the gates, which seemed like a critical establishing shot to me and I missed it even when I saw the film for the first time. However, after rescuing Faramir, they do have a nice short sequence showing off the Gate of Gondor and its operation, allowing Gandalf & Pippin to enter the first level of MT.

So why the change? I'm not convinced the line "Faramir...tell me everything" was part of the original principal photography - I think it may have been inserted to help segway away from that scene. I believe originally after the brief encounter with Faramir, Gandalf & Pippin rode up to meet Denethor, etc, etc, etc. But that would have made everything seem more relaxed -- the fact that Gandalf didn't feel the need to run to Denethor immediately without stopping, and the fact that Faramir wouldn't talk to his father about the loss of Osgiliath until the next day. It just would have seemed like there was time to waste compared to what we ended up with, which was a real sense that we urgently had to come up with a plan to combat the armies of Mordor.

[Necross]

Are you sure thats right because the whole shot with Gandalf riding up to Faramir would have seemed out of place if it was when arrived at Minas Tirith because he would be coming from a completely different direction from where he arrived.