The Matrix Trilogy Thread

[Baadshah]

I guess now that the Matrix forum has closed, this thread can be open for any questions that people may have from the movie, dvd's, etc......

[Baadshah]

for the people was discussing about the Monica Bellucci thing at the Matrix Forum, i will try to post a pic of her from the movie, the one with the dress

[TyRoss]

You mean this Monica Belluci thing?

http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22882&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

[Baadshah]

no, the one from the movie itself. That is just the poster

[TyRoss]

Hmmmm

The threads should still be around somewhere I'll see if I can find some for you.

[Baadshah]

did, u read the posts on that thread about Monica Bellucci. The one with the see threw dress. There is a portion in the movie where you could see her aaaaahhhmmmmmmmm, you know

[TyRoss]

Ok looks like they're all here in the General Movies forum.

Do a title search on the word Matrix and you should find most of them.

Or if you know who made the thread just dort the threads of the forum by user and look that way.

[TyRoss]

Originally posted by Baadshah
did, u read the posts on that thread about Monica Bellucci. The one with the see threw dress. There is a portion in the movie where you could see her aaaaahhhmmmmmmmm, you know

Thats the link I posted.

[Baadshah]

ok, but the previous thread are like all out of the way on the other pages i pressume. So, i guess we can use this thread, like an overall thread, a personal Matrix Forum within this thread i guess, for people who's probably missing the Matrix Forum by now

[sniktawt]

I wasn't aware they even closed the Matrix Forum.

How Sad;)

[Baadshah]

ya :(

[Baadshah]

i guess, this is the best i can do
edit: picture has been removed

[Baadshah]

i only can keep the pic posted for only today, so for anyone who wants to see it, there it is

[sniktawt]

How come only one day ?

[Baadshah]

I don't think it's safe to keep copyrighted images on websites, because i haven't asked permission or anything. But anywayz, that is the pic, and it's clearly not a thong

[awakened]

I don't know I sorta can't tell

[spiderman_2k]

I cant tell either, I think there would be enough people on set to notice that, I think it was a thong.

[Baadshah]

i think the brothers knew about it, but keeped it, because they like that sort of stuff (Bound :))

[Baadshah]

Originally posted by awakened
I don't know I sorta can't tell
it looks better on the TV with a DVD. The pic isn't that clear, but you could see she is trimmed

[Rodan]

Yeah, watch the DVD, you will see what were talking about

[Rodan]

Well, thanks for postin the pics

[Brock Landers]

Well, to help out, here's a theory I never got to post. I forgot about it. My friend from another message board wrote it, and I always believed it was absolutely BRILLIANT. Bear in my mind it was written when Reloaded first came on:




Guys, I was just thinking abuot some of the imagery in Reloaded and I have a question.

Has the thought occured that this might be the exact opposite of what we thought? That Neo may be the AntiChrist. Think about the scene in Zion. The depiction of the party looked more like that you would see in a "hell" than in a "heaven". And it's near the core of the earth where 'hell' is thought to be. On top of that, Maybe the agents are supposed to be christians. They are represented as well dressed clean cut people and They are based in a world where they are limited by rules which mean they cannot be truly free. Since they are living in a world of machines in which they are machines they are operating under rules that they apply to themselves. This is in a way similiar to organized religion. They can never be free like a person that has embraced sin can be.. because they choose not to be. They live under rules set upon them by themselves. This would explain the "god" figure in the architect. Further more if you look in to some of the names in Reloaded. The Merovingians (The French dude) are the guardians of the Holy Grail and related on a genetic level to Mary Magdalene. (the mother of god) Then you have the twins dressed all in white who have supernatural powers.. You could make the argument for Angels sent to assist the Merovingian. Also, look at Neo's clothes... always black. Dark mysterious. Compared the Architect who was dressed all in white... and KNOWS ALL.. (Hence the God reference) He can see everything with his monitors. Also, think about the deceit and the innerfighting with in the inhabitants of the city of Zion. Versus the resolve of the inhabitants of the Matrix. Also, think of the Architect as a benevolent creator versus a controlling one. (which you could make a argument for the "god" of christianity either way) He tried to create a perfect world for the inhabitants of the matrix ( the garden of eden) which humans rejected (the first sin) and he allows NEo to choose his path. (as god does several times in the bible).

[Morphius DOH]

I don't want to start a new thread just for this question, but I haven't been able to find a release date for Revolution on DVD/VHS anywhere.

I read somewhere that Revolutions was supposed to come out on the 16th of this month. Is this still true or has anyone heard of any possible dates?

[Baadshah]

it is coming out possible in the beginning of April, can't wait, hope it's jam packed

[spiderman_2k]

http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23289

[Baadshah]

Originally posted by Brock Landers
Well, to help out, here's a theory I never got to post. I forgot about it. My friend from another message board wrote it, and I always believed it was absolutely BRILLIANT. Bear in my mind it was written when Reloaded first came on:
Guys, I was just thinking abuot some of the imagery in Reloaded and I have a question.

Has the thought occured that this might be the exact opposite of what we thought? That Neo may be the AntiChrist. Think about the scene in Zion. The depiction of the party looked more like that you would see in a "hell" than in a "heaven". And it's near the core of the earth where 'hell' is thought to be. On top of that, Maybe the agents are supposed to be christians. They are represented as well dressed clean cut people and They are based in a world where they are limited by rules which mean they cannot be truly free. Since they are living in a world of machines in which they are machines they are operating under rules that they apply to themselves. This is in a way similiar to organized religion. They can never be free like a person that has embraced sin can be.. because they choose not to be. They live under rules set upon them by themselves. This would explain the "god" figure in the architect. Further more if you look in to some of the names in Reloaded. The Merovingians (The French dude) are the guardians of the Holy Grail and related on a genetic level to Mary Magdalene. (the mother of god) Then you have the twins dressed all in white who have supernatural powers.. You could make the argument for Angels sent to assist the Merovingian. Also, look at Neo's clothes... always black. Dark mysterious. Compared the Architect who was dressed all in white... and KNOWS ALL.. (Hence the God reference) He can see everything with his monitors. Also, think about the deceit and the innerfighting with in the inhabitants of the city of Zion. Versus the resolve of the inhabitants of the Matrix. Also, think of the Architect as a benevolent creator versus a controlling one. (which you could make a argument for the "god" of christianity either way) He tried to create a perfect world for the inhabitants of the matrix ( the garden of eden) which humans rejected (the first sin) and he allows NEo to choose his path. (as god does several times in the bible).


interesting point. But, then again, you could say the machines thought of this god/heaven/ philosophy into their programming of the Matrix. The machines built the Matrix like a heaven so the humans won't want to leave, but it's impossible to build heaven, which could be why there is a 1% error of people who want to leave and an anomoly like Neo, the Christ figure born in the Matrix

[Baadshah]

http://dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=2987&n=1&burl=
http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=905955
http://mason.gmu.edu/~mpillai/matrixrevwidescreenpic2.jpg

2.40:1 Anamorphic Widescreen Presentation

English Dolby Digital 5.1 Track

English Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo Track

French Dolby Digital 5.1 Track

Matrix Recalibrated (Making Of) Documentary
- Neo Realism: The Evolution of Bullet Time

CG Revolution (Effects) Documentary
- Super Big Mini-Models Segment

Super Burly Brawl Featurette
- Double Agent Smith Segment
- Mind Over Matter: The Physicality of The Matrix

Before the Revolution 3D Timeline

Future Gamer: The Matrix Online (Game) Feature

Multidimensional Stills Gallery

Matrix Revolutions Theatrical Trailer

DVD-ROM Features: Weblink & Matrix Test

English, French, Spanish Subtitles

[spiderman_2k]

Piece of **** cover for the DVD

[Baadshah]

i know, it's the worst

[Brock Landers]

Wow, that DVD cover is "the suck"

[Rodan]

The DVD cover should of just had neo on it

[Tim37ninjageniu]

I hope the DVD is better than the DVD cover.

[Morphius DOH]

I was really hoping for a commentary over the movie. This movie out of the 3 is the one that needs a commentary to explain what they were thinking and perhaps to explain the ending.

[Baadshah]

ya me too, but then again, they didn't have one for Reloaded for the confusing conversation between Neo and the Architect.

[awakened]

you think the cover would be something that summed the trilogy up but that really sucks.

[spiderman_2k]

Then If it sucks, I guess it does sum up the sequels of the Trilogy.

[soadeternal]

The cover may suck but the trilogy is better than you can imagine. btw, i love the picture with neo standing in the middle of the matrix rain, it's a symbol for the matrix, and rain symbolizes it so much if you could only open your eyes a bit farther you may see what it means

[Baadshah]

i think that is the cover guys, because this shows the actually snap case, unlike showing the front cover, like what they did with the Matrix Reloaded alternative covers

[Baadshah]

anybody else has some questions from the Matrix saga, plz share

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by soadeternal
The cover may suck but the trilogy is better than you can imagine. btw, i love the picture with neo standing in the middle of the matrix rain, it's a symbol for the matrix, and rain symbolizes it so much if you could only open your eyes a bit farther you may see what it means

DO you mean the symbolism of Water equals Change? I agree with you. I like the picture of Neo in the rain because of the symbolism. So everyone that is complaining about the cover of the DVD, does that mean you are not going to buy the DVD. I doubt it.

[spiderman_2k]

No it means they dont like the cover.

[Baadshah]

i will still buy it, but i will be extremely pissed if there is some special box set with the ultimate features and better covers for all the dvd's

[Optimus Magnus]

well boo hoo ****ing hoo, it seems to fit: **** cover for a **** movie

The Matrix forum has been closed, BEERS ALL AROUND. We have to celebrate this joyous occasion.

[Baadshah]

http://www.eazy-e.net/upload/uploads/matrixrev.jpg
head towards the DVD forum to check out the customized alternative versions of the cover. We have to let WB know about the awful cover they're about to release. Hope they will change it

[IamMrDJ]

If it is already announced that means they will most likely not change it. After annoucing the cover they send out advertisments to retailers to advertise for the release and it would not look good to change the cover. Just face the fact that the cover is not gonna change.

[Baadshah]

but they did the same for the T3 dvd cover. They announced, but then they changed like 3 time

[soadeternal]

Matrix Revolutions pre-order starts 1/23/04

[IamMrDJ]

Why would anyone want to pre-order any movie. It is cheaper in the long run to wait till the day it comes out because you can usually get a better deal. I know some places send out pre-orders a couple days earlier but IMO that does not make up for some saved money.

[Baadshah]

i don't see the need for pre orders also, unless the dvd buyers are part of some dvd club like Columbia House, other than that, it's better to buy it from Best Buy, they usually have extra stuff that goes with the DVD's, which is pretty cool

[IamMrDJ]

Target is another one. On the week of release for a major movie such as Matrix the price will be pretty low. I got Reloaded for $14.99 plus my employee discount.

[Baadshah]

along with reloaded, it came with another dvd at bestbu

[Baadshah]

can anyone tell me the purpose of that whole Metacortex site? What came out of it?

[Anna Bo-Banna]

Mary Magdalene. (the mother of god)

Wow. Not even close.

Please explain to me the symbolism of rain, because I guess I'm stupid.

[konman72]

the metacortex thing was a fan made thing, nothin really came out of it, and rain symbolises change i believe.

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by Anna Bo-Banna
Wow. Not even close.

Please explain to me the symbolism of rain, because I guess I'm stupid.

Well in everything that I have learned and understod. Water equals Change. When you see water in almost any major movie it is a symbol tat change is about to come about in some sorts. And I do not mean seeing a lake or the ocean in the movie. It is usually rain that sets up for the change to come about.

[Anna Bo-Banna]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
Well in everything that I have learned and understod. Water equals Change. When you see water in almost any major movie it is a symbol tat change is about to come about in some sorts. And I do not mean seeing a lake or the ocean in the movie. It is usually rain that sets up for the change to come about.

Oh, I see. Bravo. That's just about as deep as "Everything that has a beginning has an end." *rolls eyes*

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Originally posted by Anna Bo-Banna
Oh, I see. Bravo. That's just about as deep as "Everything that has a beginning has an end." *rolls eyes*

HOLY **** YOUR RIGHT! Damn that is deep. Did you come up with that?

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by Anna Bo-Banna
Oh, I see. Bravo. That's just about as deep as "Everything that has a beginning has an end." *rolls eyes*

Hey you asked and that is the symbolic meaning to water. It is nothing flashy but it is constant.

[Anna Bo-Banna]

Yeah, okay, fine. But I hate how everyone treats the Matrix sequels as though they are so deep with the symbolism and the philosophy when it is so completely obviously not.

[IamMrDJ]

I don't think they are deep with Symbolism or Philosphy. I just liked the Special Effects. I mean how deep can a movie be when I predicted everything that happened in Revolutions a month before it came out. A friend and I discussed what we thought was going to happen and I nailed it. NOt too much symbolism in this movie series, IMO

[konman72]

^^This is why people didnt like the sequals.

[Anna Bo-Banna]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
I don't think they are deep with Symbolism or Philosphy. I just liked the Special Effects. I mean how deep can a movie be when I predicted everything that happened in Revolutions a month before it came out. A friend and I discussed what we thought was going to happen and I nailed it. NOt too much symbolism in this movie series, IMO
Oh, very well then. I, however, enjoy depth and a good plot. Having a movie NOT shove things down my throat is very enjoyable to me too.

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by konman72
^^This is why people didnt like the sequals.

IMO people dont like them because they suck....

[konman72]

Why do you feel that they suck? I want your personal reasons please.

[spiderman_2k]

Okay then....

Reloaded was better than Revolutions.
Reloaded was a fairly good film, but should have been someting much more...The story was too much even for the Matrix, I understood it, so dont go saying that because I didn't get it i cant enjoy it.
The Twins weren't used anywhere near there full potential, they should have been more menacing, before the films were released, the twins were being hyped up, but they fell flat when the film was released.
The CGI although groundbreaking, was used far too much, so much that it ended up looking like a cartoon, the Burly Brawl ended up looking like a polised cartoon during certain scenes...The chateau fight (the highlight of Reloaded) was the best fight out of the entire trilogy, and it needed no CGI, just some great choreography.
The ending of Reloaded was very disappointing, I understood that the rest was coming in Revolutions, but it was still dissapointing.

Revolutions
Okay this is where everything went to ****....
Revolutions was a CGI Orgy, thats all it was ever intended to be...The characters were put right to the back and the action and CGI was bought forward.
The Trainman was something mysterious in Enter The Matrix, but in Revolutions he was nothing special (same as the twins)
The story of revolutions (well what little of a story there was) was pretty terrible too....It should have been so much more being a sequel of the amazing Matrix, but it failed to deliver on the story aspect.
The Zion VS Machines battle, was cool and deserves credit, IMO it was too long and drawn out (same as the burly brawl)..And what was up with the kid, jeez how cheesy can you get?
The Superbrawl was cool, but I would have loved to see more Kung Fu instead of just flying at each other alot.
My major gripe is the fact that after Reloaded all the Matrix fans said that Revolutions would answer all the questions that reloaded asked, which it didn't, there is still much more that should have been told, but instead of being told, we got CGI, CGI and more CGI...Which I didn't like at all.
One salvation of the Sequels is Hugo's amazing acting throughout, he is a great actor and a great villain.

The sequels were good Sci-Fi action films, but terrible Matrix sequels, they should have been so much more...The year of the matrix was unfortunatley a huge let down, Reloaded and Revolutions were bad, and ETM was less than average..

[konman72]

All your points seem like opinion points, so i will not argue, just understand that i disagree on nearly every point that you make, the cgi did not bother me, the character developement was fine for me, i loved the use of the twins, and all teh battle scenes (burly brawl, super brawl, zion seige) seemed amazing to me. The best part to me was the story, everything came together so nicely, one thing explaining another and it even changed my opinion on certain things within the story and out, and i enjoy being left with a few questions, it means i get to discuss the answers and come up with my own opinion rather than just have them fed to me, but as i said this is all OPINION, so i will respect yours, but i ask that you respect mine as well.

[Baadshah]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Okay then....

Reloaded was better than Revolutions.
Reloaded was a fairly good film, but should have been someting much more...The story was too much even for the Matrix, I understood it, so dont go saying that because I didn't get it i cant enjoy it.
The Twins weren't used anywhere near there full potential, they should have been more menacing, before the films were released, the twins were being hyped up, but they fell flat when the film was released.
The CGI although groundbreaking, was used far too much, so much that it ended up looking like a cartoon, the Burly Brawl ended up looking like a polised cartoon during certain scenes...The chateau fight (the highlight of Reloaded) was the best fight out of the entire trilogy, and it needed no CGI, just some great choreography.
The ending of Reloaded was very disappointing, I understood that the rest was coming in Revolutions, but it was still dissapointing.

Revolutions
Okay this is where everything went to ****....
Revolutions was a CGI Orgy, thats all it was ever intended to be...The characters were put right to the back and the action and CGI was bought forward.
The Trainman was something mysterious in Enter The Matrix, but in Revolutions he was nothing special (same as the twins)
The story of revolutions (well what little of a story there was) was pretty terrible too....It should have been so much more being a sequel of the amazing Matrix, but it failed to deliver on the story aspect.
The Zion VS Machines battle, was cool and deserves credit, IMO it was too long and drawn out (same as the burly brawl)..And what was up with the kid, jeez how cheesy can you get?
The Superbrawl was cool, but I would have loved to see more Kung Fu instead of just flying at each other alot.
My major gripe is the fact that after Reloaded all the Matrix fans said that Revolutions would answer all the questions that reloaded asked, which it didn't, there is still much more that should have been told, but instead of being told, we got CGI, CGI and more CGI...Which I didn't like at all.
One salvation of the Sequels is Hugo's amazing acting throughout, he is a great actor and a great villain.

The sequels were good Sci-Fi action films, but terrible Matrix sequels, they should have been so much more...The year of the matrix was unfortunatley a huge let down, Reloaded and Revolutions were bad, and ETM was less than average..

i agree with everything spiderman_2k, except about the Matrix Reloaded ending, that was awesome ending. What did you expect, the Revolutions was only 6 months away with the true ending (which was extremely disappointed). The ending of Reloaded was exciting in that we all forgot about Bane threw out the majority of the movie, so it was a great surprise and suspense at the end of the film

[Tornado]

Well I liked Revolutions and nobody can change my opinion.

[Rabbit]

I liked the Reloaded ending, because it just led right into Revolutions.
The only time the CGI bugged me (and only a little) was in the Burly Brawl. It wouldnt have been hard to have KR actually fight. I think it might have been harder to CGI him, actually.
HW was incredible throughout the entire trilogy.

[Baadshah]

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[ambrosia]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Okay then....

Reloaded was better than Revolutions.
Reloaded was a fairly good film, but should have been someting much more...The story was too much even for the Matrix, I understood it, so dont go saying that because I didn't get it i cant enjoy it.
The Twins weren't used anywhere near there full potential, they should have been more menacing, before the films were released, the twins were being hyped up, but they fell flat when the film was released.
The CGI although groundbreaking, was used far too much, so much that it ended up looking like a cartoon, the Burly Brawl ended up looking like a polised cartoon during certain scenes...The chateau fight (the highlight of Reloaded) was the best fight out of the entire trilogy, and it needed no CGI, just some great choreography.
The ending of Reloaded was very disappointing, I understood that the rest was coming in Revolutions, but it was still dissapointing.

Revolutions
Okay this is where everything went to ****....
Revolutions was a CGI Orgy, thats all it was ever intended to be...The characters were put right to the back and the action and CGI was bought forward.
The Trainman was something mysterious in Enter The Matrix, but in Revolutions he was nothing special (same as the twins)
The story of revolutions (well what little of a story there was) was pretty terrible too....It should have been so much more being a sequel of the amazing Matrix, but it failed to deliver on the story aspect.
The Zion VS Machines battle, was cool and deserves credit, IMO it was too long and drawn out (same as the burly brawl)..And what was up with the kid, jeez how cheesy can you get?
The Superbrawl was cool, but I would have loved to see more Kung Fu instead of just flying at each other alot.
My major gripe is the fact that after Reloaded all the Matrix fans said that Revolutions would answer all the questions that reloaded asked, which it didn't, there is still much more that should have been told, but instead of being told, we got CGI, CGI and more CGI...Which I didn't like at all.
One salvation of the Sequels is Hugo's amazing acting throughout, he is a great actor and a great villain.

The sequels were good Sci-Fi action films, but terrible Matrix sequels, they should have been so much more...The year of the matrix was unfortunatley a huge let down, Reloaded and Revolutions were bad, and ETM was less than average..

I agree on every point Spiderman makes. Additionally, The Merovingian and Persephone... these were not characters, villains who were meant to be malevolent. They were just plot devices.
A rich french pr1ck who sits around drinking wine and making women orgasm and a jealous slutty wife who kisses every man she gets alone in a room... these have to be about the most shallow characters I have ever seen infused into a movie and then be forgotten about almost entirely in Revolutions. Their only purpose... to get the heroes from point A to point B and not do much else. Smith was the Arch Villian, I understand that but Sub-Villains simply dissapear, never to be explained?

As you've figured... this bit annoys me :) I Thought Mero was gonna get his ass whooped by somebody.... sadly no.

[konman72]

Everyones purpose in these movies was to move neo from point a to point b, nothing else. This is a different form of film making than most americans are used to so i understand how many of you do not enjoy it.

[Anna Bo-Banna]

I agree with Spiderman_2k that the sequels suck, but i disagree that Reloaded was better than Revolutions. They were both pieces of cinematic ****, in my opinion, but at least Revolutions didn't take itself so freaking seriously. :rolleyes:

If anyone's interested in my thoughts on why the sequels suck, I can go dig up the things I posted on another messageboard when I first saw the movies. I warn you that it might be a lot to read, though.

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by konman72
Everyones purpose in these movies was to move neo from point a to point b, nothing else. This is a different form of film making than most americans are used to so i understand how many of you do not enjoy it.

Im not American, and i Still hated it.

[konman72]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Im not American, and i Still hated it.

Well that is your opinion, and i respect that, but i feel that these movies were great, so i will defend them till the day i die.

[spiderman_2k]

Good for you.

[ambrosia]

Originally posted by konman72
Well that is your opinion, and i respect that, but i feel that these movies were great, so i will defend them till the day i die.

I could think of alot better things to do with my life than defend movies I liked but others didn't...

[spiderman_2k]

Clearly this guy cant.

[konman72]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Clearly this guy cant.

Are you talking about me, cuz if you want then i will start defending them, but i felt that it was your opinion so i was respecting that, but if you want then i will start defending them.

[spiderman_2k]

I dont give a damn either way...

[konman72]

ok, then please try not to insult me by saying stuff like

"Clearly this guy cant. "

[spiderman_2k]

Seems to be pretty true though, Saying that you will "defend the movies until the day you die" does seem pretty sad, Defend away, but you will never change peoples opinions, and the majority of them opinions believe the sequels sucked.

[soadeternal]

He will defend the films not the mere movies. . .this story was explained through this medium but the ideas present throughout the film have been the subject of many renown philosophers, modern and age old, that have tinkered with the deeper meanings of this thing we call life. the wachowski's simply put it in a condensed film form and if people could not see through the cgi that they hated, then i feel sorry for you guys. but, yet again, this is another opinion, many of us just want to watch a movie and get a kick out of it and forgot about it in a couple months, others want to delve deeper into questions lurking behind our minds even if some of us aren't to bright to pick up on them. hey, movies are made for all people and if you don't like it then i won't sit here and insult you, and there's no reason to insult konman either. let's just say that he has freed his mind, something that only a select few of us will ever do in our petty existence

[spiderman_2k]

I didn't insult him, I said what he would do is sad, not the guy himself.
Also the story was never fully explain, (read my post on the last page as to why I didn't like the sequels for everything I mean)

[konman72]

It was explained if you were willing to look for the answers, and find your own answers to the questions that cannot or could not be answered for you.

[spiderman_2k]

Isnt that the easy way out of the whole point?
Saying that if you watch the film, and interpret your own answers from it, thats why it is so good?
The Matrix let us know what it was about, there was nothing to interpret which is what made it so good IMO, The way it was told was great, it balanced the story, characters and action perfectly, without getting too preachy.
Reloaded and Revolutions took itself far too seriosuly and ended up looking stupid when it tried to pull off something amazing with the weak story...And I still say that some of the questions are not answered...All the watch it deeper and stuff like that wont answer the questions if the answers are not there.

[konman72]

Maybe some of your questions can be answered, if you ask me then i will try to answer them, i am just trying to help, but if you dont want to ask then i understand.

[spiderman_2k]

Heck I dont mind, I got no pride on a Message Board
Whats up with Seraph, we are led to believe that he worked for the Merovingian, I understand that to a degree, but when Smith starts talking about how he always got away...That annoyed me, that was a whole backstory that could have been tied up at the end, or maybe in Club Hell, but another dead end...Unless they release this Seraph game they are talking about, but at that point, I totally believe the W.Bros are just in it for the money instead of getting there world into the mainstream.

[konman72]

As you said there is a game, but to dive into a whole characters back story at the end of a trilogy would have lost many people, this is one of the questions that you have to look really deep into the story and find an answer, the theory that i like the most is that he was an angel/agent from the first "perfect" matrix and he became an exile and worked for the merovingian until merv became evil then he left to work for the oracle.

[spiderman_2k]

What I took was that he was from the perfect Matrix, The Merovingian saved his code from deletion when the first Matrix went down...He worked for Mero then left, but why does he protect the oracle, we know Smith hunted him before, but I wanted more backstory..If they had cut out some of the CGI orgy, they could have put a lot more explanation into the characters, alot of people were emotionally invested in these sequels, It is the end and to go out without full answers is bad IMO.
I wanted more Seraph backstory.
More Merovingian and Persephone story
More about the Oracle and Sati
Less CGI
A decent Original film worthy ending.
That would have made me happy
I dont mind searching for answers, but when they hold out on them just so they can make money off of something else seems wrong to me.

[konman72]

That is of course your opinion, but i am pretty sure that the Wach. Bros. are not just in it for the money, but i dont know for sure. As for the characters, they are not as important as many people feel, as i said before their only purpose is to move neo from point a to b, i believe we got enough about the oracle, but i also agree that sati was left as a mystery. I have my theories about what she is, but i wont go into them now because it would take quite awhile. I loved the cgi and had no problem with it, and i felt that it was a more than decent conclusion to my favorite trilogy ever.

[awakened]

I personally enjoyed each movie. I can't wait for revolutions to come out on dvd. If you were looking for oscar worthy performances from Reeves then stand still so I can laugh in your face.:funny: I don't want to be spoon fed everything and I appreciate the Wach Bros "taking themselves seriously" because the fans wouldn't have excepted anything less. The first movie took itself just as seriously. It's so funny how everyone thinks the first matrix was sooo awesome when I clearly remember a majority of people bashing it in 1999 just like they're bashing the sequels. *shrugs*

[ambrosia]

Originally posted by awakened
It's so funny how everyone thinks the first matrix was sooo awesome when I clearly remember a majority of people bashing it in 1999 just like they're bashing the sequels. *shrugs*

Like who?

I do remember some negative opinions... but people changing their opinion outright all these years later... can't say I remember anybody doing that around here and I've been around for a while :P


..... Neh, I'm just getting old.... and I'm only in my twenties!

[redman]

i cant remember ppl bashing it.

the sequels sucked. the cons outweigh the pro's of both sequels.

i thought after reloaded that revolutions might save the trilogy but i was horribly wrong.

[Anna Bo-Banna]

Originally posted by soadeternal
He will defend the films not the mere movies. . .

OooOooh, FILMS. Now that's serious. ;)

[awakened]

you guys are honestly way to critical of these people. Your just as zealous about bashing them as you are the movies. If you've made your point then leave it at that.

[Baadshah]

the sequals didn't suck, Revolutions didn't suck, but it was very disappointing. I never considered Matrix Reloaded suck because it was a full out exciting movie, wished i saw this instead of Revolutions in IMAX :(.

The first movie had the story, which the people loved. You can't expect the same story that is surprising in Reloaded, which i personally thought they had by changing everything. Like the prophecy, the surprise character of the Architect, it was a perfect movie

[spiderman_2k]

It wasn't perfect in any sense.

[konman72]

in your opinion, in my opinion the entire trilogy was perfect, or as close to perfect as a movie can come.

[spiderman_2k]

Well like I have said everyone is entitled to their opinions, Although most movie critics (who can tell what perfection in a movie is) and movie fans dont like the sequels...Not trying to disagree with your opinion or set it aside, just stating what I have read and know.

[Baadshah]

ok, maybe Reloaded isn't the perfect movie, but it did it's job perfectly

[konman72]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Well like I have said everyone is entitled to their opinions, Although most movie critics (who can tell what perfection in a movie is) and movie fans dont like the sequels...Not trying to disagree with your opinion or set it aside, just stating what I have read and know.

Please never speak of critics again, i hate critics more than anything in this whole world, they dont know what perfection in a movie is, they just love anything that they are supposed to, i.e. independant movies or emotional epics. And if you really want to talk about critics i know of many who did like the sequals, some not as much as the first, some more. And i have read an extensive essay by someone who actually worked on the films trying to explain why the critics and general movie audience hated these movies, i would appreciate it if you read it, but it is quite long...


http://www.matrixfans.net/editorials/bernardwhite.php

[spiderman_2k]

Critics review movies fine IMO, They are not Biased by being avid fans of the series they are reviewing, most can review action films, independant films, any types of films by looking at the strengths and weakness's and are not biased by the hype of the film they are reviewing.
The majority of reviews did not like Reloaded and Revolutions, the very reasons are simple, poor acting, bad dialogue, cheesy scenes, Over useage of CGI, bad story (when it all came down to it, people didn't want to have to buy enter the matrix and the animatix, and maybe this Seraph game to get the entire story)
This points are true IMO, Maybe I had too much love the for original, But IMO The Matrix is split..There is the amazing Matrix Original, and the shoddy Sci-fi sequels...Matrix should have been left as one film.

[konman72]

As i have said many times that is your opinion and you are entitles to it, in my opinion, most critics review movies very poorly without much concern for the movies actual merits just their opinion of how they should review it. I do not feel that you need ETM, the animatrix or the seraph game to enjoy the story, just to enrich it, those properties are for the die hard fans who want to explore every aspect of the movies, and i also feel that the sequals were worthy successors to the first and i enjoy the entire trilogy as is...Matrix deserved to be a trilogy.

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by konman72
As i have said many times that is your opinion and you are entitles to it, in my opinion, most critics review movies very poorly without much concern for the movies actual merits just their opinion of how they should review it. I do not feel that you need ETM, the animatrix or the seraph game to enjoy the story, just to enrich it, those properties are for the die hard fans who want to explore every aspect of the movies, and i also feel that the sequals were worthy successors to the first and i enjoy the entire trilogy as is...Matrix deserved to be a trilogy.

OK now that you have stated your opinion again, how about you stop re-stating it. We all understand your viewpoint on the MAtrix Trilogy.

[konman72]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
OK now that you have stated your opinion again, how about you stop re-stating it. We all understand your viewpoint on the MAtrix Trilogy.

I am merely discussing my point with someone who disagrees, nothing more, when someone states their opinion that i personally am wrong then i tend to argue with them. But i feel that my point has been made, so unless anyone else wants to discuss further i am done.

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by konman72
I am merely discussing my point with someone who disagrees, nothing more, when someone states their opinion that i personally am wrong then i tend to argue with them. But i feel that my point has been made, so unless anyone else wants to discuss further i am done.

How can someones opinion be worng? You can agree with it, but in no way is it wrong. That is what opinions are for, for people to state what they think.

[konman72]

And thats what i was doing. My posts do not prevent others from posting, and you dont have to read them, so just let me post my opinions and you post yours, i am sorry for being so rude, but i am just posting my opinion and you are telling me to stop.

[JustAnAlias]

Ok back to the movies.

[konman72]

Who's everybodies favorite character?

[Halofan1]

Mine is Neo.

Is anyone else sick of "They should have left it with the first movie"?

[konman72]

If you read my past posts i think you know that I am, and my fav is Neo too, everything is centered around his journey, although Smith is a close second for me.

[Halofan1]

Smith was a great character, I just felt I connected with Neo more. Therein lies the reason I love these movies so much, I feel I connect with them on a high level.

[konman72]

Same here.

[ambrosia]

Smith is my favorite character. Hugo Weaving gave the character a villainous depth that I just can't imagine anybody else being able to achieve.

[Anna Bo-Banna]

Trinity's my favorite character. I also loved Tank sooo much.
Oh, and Bane kicks ass. Ian Bliss was so ****ing amazing in that role. He was DEAD ON. *thumbsup*

But I felt absolutely no emotional attachment to anyone they introduced in the sequels. My strongest emotional attachment was to Morpheus's ship (the name of which I am not even going to TRY to spell).

[Matt Mosley]

Favourite film, favourite trilogy ever.
Smith into real world scene in Reloaded was the scarilest thing Ive seen in cinema in years.
Smith holding a blade under Trinitys throat in Revolutions wasmthe most suppence Ive ever felt while watching a film, and I'd already seen the scene that comes afterit so I knew she servived but YOOO!!!! That was some scary ****, the only time Ive felt connected to the charaters in a film (exept Randy in Scream 2)
Can't wait for Revolutions dvd.
Talk about Matrix 4 is still buzzing around, and the Wachowski Bro's said on set, that if there were more, it would be Kid & Niobe, so there's obviously an idea in there heads.

[awakened]

:confused:

anyway my fav is Neo and yes I'm also sick of the "they should have left it with the first movie".

[spiderman_2k]

You may be sick of it, but thats peoples opinions, and they can say that if thats how they feel about the trilogy.

Anyway, My Fav character is Smith.

[MazzaRedd]

Agent Smith is my fave character! Hugo Weaving is just an awesome actor

[Tornado]

My favorite character is Neo.

[Tornado]

I just connected with him more than any other character in the trilogy.

[Baadshah]

me too, it was a grave mistake for him to die at the end

[JustAnAlias]

Was it officially established that he died? I thought they meant it to be ambiguos.

[soadeternal]

The Matrix is a cycle, neo will live again. See the end of M1 again.

[awakened]

I'm now sick of "IMO":funny: lighten up people

[Baadshah]

ok guys, a petition is up for you to sign to change the dvd cover of the Matrix Revolutions
http://www.petitiononline.com/revoldvd/petition.html

[MazzaRedd]

signed it!

[spiderman_2k]

As have I...No matter how bad the film was, no DVD deserves a cover like that.

[moviegeek]

it's not that bad

[konman72]

Yeah, its not great, but nothin too horrible, I'll still be at walmart at midnight to get it.

[MazzaRedd]

i will be too....i did it when matrix reloaded was released, and it's good when your mum works there and you can get a discount :D

[konman72]

How far have you guys went to see a matrix movie, either on dvd or in the theatre? I had my Reloaded ticket weeks in advance, but on the way i got a flat tire, after finally changing the tire and getting to the theatre i was still an hour and a half early and was still in the front of the line.

[ambrosia]

Originally posted by konman72
I had my Reloaded ticket weeks in advance, but on the way i got a flat tire, after finally changing the tire and getting to the theatre i was still an hour and a half early and was still in the front of the line.

It took you two weeks to change a flat tire? ;)

[spiderman_2k]

I had my ticket for Reloaded about a month early, I didn't need to get there early as my seat wasn't going to be given to anyone else.

[MazzaRedd]

i payed double for my revolutions ticket and had to wait bout 4 hours. then on the nite it was out the first showing was at 5pm, and i skipped school to be down at the cinema for 2pm...and wasted lots of money on in the arcades

[Baadshah]

i drove 3 hours to get the nearest IMAX theatre to watch Matrix Revolutions, me and my buddies were the first ones in line, and it was a long long line

[Optimus Magnus]

Originally posted by konman72
Maybe some of your questions can be answered, if you ask me then i will try to answer them, i am just trying to help, but if you dont want to ask then i understand.

Are you a Goth?


As far as I am concerned, there are NO big questions in the Matrix sequels. The first one put one or two of them, and managed to either answer or allude to an answer and then allow the audience to fill in any blanks.

The sequels tried to be smarter than their predesessor and failed dismally.

The acting was well below par even for a sci fi film. The dialogue is cheesy and contrived. The CGI was ****ing awful. The fights look like something from the film Buckaroo Banzai and Six String Samurai.

Losers, if you want philosphy, take a course in it. You want Kung Fu, look no further than Enter the Dragon. You want acting, see a Shakespeare play. You want good dialogue, read the script of aformentioned play

Do not look to the Matrix for any of these things

[konman72]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
Are you a Goth?


As far as I am concerned, there are NO big questions in the Matrix sequels. The first one put one or two of them, and managed to either answer or allude to an answer and then allow the audience to fill in any blanks.

The sequels tried to be smarter than their predesessor and failed dismally.

The acting was well below par even for a sci fi film. The dialogue is cheesy and contrived. The CGI was ****ing awful. The fights look like something from the film Buckaroo Banzai and Six String Samurai.

Losers, if you want philosphy, take a course in it. You want Kung Fu, look no further than Enter the Dragon. You want acting, see a Shakespeare play. You want good dialogue, read the script of aformentioned play

Do not look to the Matrix for any of these things

Thank you for your opinion, I have already argued this with another person so if you want you can read our posts on another page. I just ask that you not insult the people who truly enjoyed these movies by calling them LOSERS, me and Spiderman_2k were arguing for a long time and neither one of us resorted to blatant insults like you have in just one post, so please discuss your opinion in a kind way.

btw i am not a goth? i dont know where you got that?

[ProgramNeo]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
Are you a Goth?


As far as I am concerned, there are NO big questions in the Matrix sequels. The first one put one or two of them, and managed to either answer or allude to an answer and then allow the audience to fill in any blanks.

The sequels tried to be smarter than their predesessor and failed dismally.

The acting was well below par even for a sci fi film. The dialogue is cheesy and contrived. The CGI was ****ing awful. The fights look like something from the film Buckaroo Banzai and Six String Samurai.

Losers, if you want philosphy, take a course in it. You want Kung Fu, look no further than Enter the Dragon. You want acting, see a Shakespeare play. You want good dialogue, read the script of aformentioned play

Do not look to the Matrix for any of these things

Some may wonder, "Why the hell are you posting in here if you don't even like The Matrix?" Well this makes a whole lot of sense. You can't compare Enter the Dragon with Matrix, they are totally different. The only comparison is the martial arts. And again, you can't compare Shakespeare with The Matrix, they are also totally different. Of course the dialogue is going to be better, Shakespeare was a master-mind at writing plays. What the hell do you think he's going to be be best at? Some people just need to grow up and don't post in a place just to irritate others. It's like dealing with 4th graders.

[awakened]

well put konman and PNeo.

[Optimus Magnus]

First up, I apologise for the out of line loser comment

Shakespeare, okay, that came at a whim. For a more accurate comparison, use Dune or Alien.

And if you look closely you will see that I broke the movie down in to key components. SO I can compare the Matrix and Enter the Dragon on a martial arts level, but only on that level.

But everything else is still valid points.

[konman72]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
First up, I apologise for the out of line loser comment

Shakespeare, okay, that came at a whim. For a more accurate comparison, use Dune or Alien.

And if you look closely you will see that I broke the movie down in to key components. SO I can compare the Matrix and Enter the Dragon on a martial arts level, but only on that level.

But everything else is still valid points.

I wouldnt say VALID points, more like opinion points, the acting has never bothered me, and the CGI amazed me and it seems that it also amazed the Visual Effects awards committee since they nominated both sequals for various visual effects awards including best VFX in a movie for Revolutions. Most people enjoy the fights, including myself, so i am sorry that you did not.

btw thank you for apologizing

[Optimus Magnus]

Well it was out of line.

Still, Kung Fu or any martial art in films is best done by people who know thier stuff, although people who know their stuff don't usually act; they've better things to do :lol:

[awakened]

why do you hate this trilogy so much optimus? The martial arts WERE done by people who know their "stuff". Yuen Woo-Ping is reckognized world-wide in the martial arts community as one of (if not the best) fight choreogragher in the business. Your statement about referring to Alien and Dune as acceptable replacements to your Shakespear comment is laughable. I'm beginning to understand why people here stress the word opinion. your stating your opinions as if they were fact and then basing everything else you say of that.:nono:

[Baadshah]

if i may go off subject here, but aaahhhmmmm...

do you think they could have easily added maybe 15 minutes to the film for more explanation, probably another fight sequence, and a better ending. I think they made a 2 hour movie so they could put it in IMAX

[awakened]

I personally find the ending satisfying. I think the zion battle could have done without Zee and her friend and the "Kid". I think a scene should have existed where we see someone's reaction to witnessing Neo's powers. Imagine you Baadshah chilling in the city and all of the sudden someone is fighting agents and flying around the place. I'd want to see your reaction.

[konman72]

Originally posted by awakened
I personally find the ending satisfying. I think the zion battle could have done without Zee and her friend and the "Kid". I think a scene should have existed where we see someone's reaction to witnessing Neo's powers. Imagine you Baadshah chilling in the city and all of the sudden someone is fighting agents and flying around the place. I'd want to see your reaction.

That happened at the burly brawl, the lady shows up and is shocked, but then shes taken over by an agent.

[Baadshah]

Originally posted by awakened
I personally find the ending satisfying. I think the zion battle could have done without Zee and her friend and the "Kid". I think a scene should have existed where we see someone's reaction to witnessing Neo's powers. Imagine you Baadshah chilling in the city and all of the sudden someone is fighting agents and flying around the place. I'd want to see your reaction.

but everybody became Smths

[Optimus Magnus]

I don't hate the trilogy, just Reloaded and Revolutions. They were just so poor compared to The Matrix; even the fights, once I realised I wasn't enjoying the story, were half assed compared to the first one.

And I might point out there is a difference between people who choreogragh the fight, and then those that perform it. I don't doubt the man's skill to make a good fight, I just think that his talents were wasted on those terrible sequels

And I base my opinins not as fact, but as observations. I observed better dialogue in films like Dune and Alien, and even Dark City.

The philosophical thing was handled better in a cartoon, but on a different subject so we won't go into that too deeply

As I said, the action in my opinion in Matrix was a doubled edged sword. Looked great the first time, but since then its numerous clones and the parodys we've seen crop up of it have lessened the impact and even made some look at Matrix 2 and 3 in a comical light rather than the thought provoking one it was intended for.

And some of the scenes in Reloaded were toally pointless, such as Neo and Trinity having sex during that big dance. And that scene as a whole just made me go, 'what the?'.

Technically speaking, although this may sound odd, Zion reminded me of something I saw on an episode of Babylon 5. And they should have hired some Japanese guys to design the APU's, no one designs mechs like the anime community, and I mean no one.

Acting, I never expected anything from it the first time I saw it, so that wasn't a proplem, although Reeves was distinctly stiff in his acting, as if he was nervous about what he was doing. Carrie Anne Moss' acting was good. Fishbourne has always been hit and miss for me. Hugo Weaving - this man was the star of the show; without him I fear I would have walked out on both sequels after 15 minutes, hmm, maybe I should have and just enjoyed Weaving in Lord of the Rings and watched The Interview at home. And the Fenchman, he was good.

The freeway chase, although it looks good, was just not as good as some I've seen; oddly enough, one the top 10 car chase scenes in cinema belongs to an anime called The Castle of Cagliostro. Now that's a car chase.

Most of that is opinion, some of it is fact. I leave it the rest of you to work out which is which

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Baadshah
if i may go off subject here, but aaahhhmmmm...

do you think they could have easily added maybe 15 minutes to the film for more explanation, probably another fight sequence, and a better ending. I think they made a 2 hour movie so they could put it in IMAX

I concur. I would have liked to see another fight scene, perhaps one between Neo and the twins.

[JustAnAlias]

They definitely could have used an actual fight scene.

[awakened]

Originally posted by konman72
That happened at the burly brawl, the lady shows up and is shocked, but then shes taken over by an agent.

That's something i didn't like about reloaded. You have this huge fight and only one person happens upon it. I know Smith was taking over alot of people but that's to obvious of a fight for only one person to have witnessed.

[konman72]

Originally posted by awakened
That's something i didn't like about reloaded. You have this huge fight and only one person happens upon it. I know Smith was taking over alot of people but that's to obvious of a fight for only one person to have witnessed.

TRue, i had thought of that too, but you have to think that since smith is like a virus that most people in that area would have already been changed, and also that it is a kind of secluded area, a very small park in the middle of a very big city.

[JB Murdock]

awakened, is that Trinity in your avatar?

[Rabbit]

exactly what I thought, konman

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by JB Murdock
awakened, is that Trinity in your avatar?

Yeah I think it is.

[konman72]

It's the trin off of the Matrix Comics ad.

[JustAnAlias]

Does anyone know anything about the release of the online Matrix RPG?

Also in Revolutions did anyone else hate the ending looking out into the sunset? It was so unmatrixish. Fun movie though.

[konman72]

I liked the sunset ending, your right it was unmatrixy, but since there was peace for the first time and the matrix was no longer an oppressive place the very definition of what the matrix is has changed, and i liked how it gave me the sense that everything was going to be happy and good

[Baadshah]

you know what i noticed in Matrix Reloaded. The Oracle explains the orange light in the conversation between her and Neo. But question though. If NEO sees orange light in Seraph and the Oracle because they are machines from the Machine World and not the Matrix, then why is it that Bane has the Orange Light if Smith is not a machine from the Machine World?

[konman72]

Originally posted by Baadshah
you know what i noticed in Matrix Reloaded. The Oracle explains the orange light in the conversation between her and Neo. But question though. If NEO sees orange light in Seraph and the Oracle because they are machines from the Machine World and not the Matrix, then why is it that Bane has the Orange Light if Smith is not a machine from the Machine World?

Its not the same orange light, the orange light in the matrix is just the color of their code, its different since they are programs, but the light in the real world is the source.

[ProgramNeo]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
Well it was out of line.

Still, Kung Fu or any martial art in films is best done by people who know thier stuff, although people who know their stuff don't usually act; they've better things to do :lol:

Know their stuff?Every martial arts move in The Matrix was done well with the actors they had. I know this to be a fact, the kicks and punches were very accurate.

[konman72]

yeah, they spent 4 months training for each movie with real, dedicated trainers

[JustAnAlias]

Originally posted by ProgramNeo
Know their stuff?Every martial arts move in The Matrix was done well with the actors they had. I know this to be a fact, the kicks and punches were very accurate.

Except for the twenty minutes or so when no real actor was on screen.

[Optimus Magnus]

No my point is that 4 months isn't long enough to make it look real, not for the long kinds of fights the Matrix had.

And quite frankly, I think the Matrix makes a bit of a mockery of martial arts (although far less than garbage like Beverly Hills Ninja)

On another note, does anyone know what style(s) of Kung Fu they were trained in?

[JustAnAlias]

Does it matter? This was never intended to be a kung fu movie.

[Optimus Magnus]

As someone with a respect and involvement in martial arts it does

[Mr.Anderson]

The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!The Matrix!

[Mr.Anderson]

We all know the Matrix kicks (not sucks) ass. YOu know it, I know it, the goddamn Pope knows it.

:)

I love being a newbie. Its Cool with a capital K. ;)

[awakened]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
No my point is that 4 months isn't long enough to make it look real, not for the long kinds of fights the Matrix had.

And quite frankly, I think the Matrix makes a bit of a mockery of martial arts (although far less than garbage like Beverly Hills Ninja)

On another note, does anyone know what style(s) of Kung Fu they were trained in?

Looked real to me*shugs*...It's not a martial arts movie so I'm not quite sure the point you're trying to make Optimus? It can't be any worse than seeing Uma Thurman protrayed as some samurai sword master. She did a fine job of it and no one is critical towards Kill Bill.

[MazzaRedd]

i was perfectly happy with the martial arts the actors did, and it looked real to me.

[ProgramNeo]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
As someone with a respect and involvement in martial arts it does

I'm also involved with Martial Arts. And the moves done in The Matrix were accurate for the actors they had. If you deserved any respect, you would learn to respect a movie and not just come on a thread to piss others off. Shows what you learned from Martial Arts.

[ProgramNeo]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
No my point is that 4 months isn't long enough to make it look real, not for the long kinds of fights the Matrix had.

And quite frankly, I think the Matrix makes a bit of a mockery of martial arts (although far less than garbage like Beverly Hills Ninja)

On another note, does anyone know what style(s) of Kung Fu they were trained in?

The styles were mixed together. It wasn't just Chinese based Martial Arts. For example, the jumping round-kick done in The Matrix by Neo was usually a Korean based move. And also, alot of the straight forward punches (without being thrown from the side like alot of Korean styles are done) were Japanese based Karate-Do.

[Baadshah]

Originally posted by konman72
Its not the same orange light, the orange light in the matrix is just the color of their code, its different since they are programs, but the light in the real world is the source.

that doesn't make since, they are within the Matrix, so their code has to be green. And you said it's different because they are programs, but than, how about the Agents. In the first film, we see their code as green

[Pointy Shrub]

Originally posted by Baadshah
If NEO sees orange light in Seraph and the Oracle because they are machines from the Machine World

when does Neo see the Oracle in orange light?

[konman72]

Originally posted by Baadshah
that doesn't make since, they are within the Matrix, so their code has to be green. And you said it's different because they are programs, but than, how about the Agents. In the first film, we see their code as green

3 possibilities

1) The agents use humans as shells therefore their code is green

2) The agents are a part of the system while seraph is not

3) Seraph is from a previous version of the matrix (probably the first "perfect" one) so his code is golden.

I believe the third one myself, and i dont think the oracle's code is gold/yellow, im pretty sure it's green.

[spiderman_2k]

I believe the 3rd one also.

[JustAnAlias]

He might not be the original "one" but most likely he was a "one" somewhere down the line. But what happened to the other ones? Do they become progressively stronger and more powerful as the cycle progresses?

[konman72]

I never said he was a one, he was probably an agent from the first matrix.

And, yes, i believe they get progressively stronger as the cycles go on. I think the code inside of them changes based on their life.

[MazzaRedd]

Originally posted by konman72

3) Seraph is from a previous version of the matrix (probably the first "perfect" one) so his code is golden.



I believe this one

[awakened]

When is the Revolutions DVD coming out?

[Baadshah]

Depends where, Region 1 is coming out on April 6th, and Region 4 is coming out April 2nd. Region one's cover is comfirmed, and it's that sorry crappy cover. Region Two and Four is still unannounced, but eventually it will be the same :)

[konman72]

Yeah, I'll be at walmart at midnight to pick it up, then I'm watching all three plus the animatrix the next day. It's gonna be awesome.

[Halofan1]

How the 6th shall transpire for me.

The Matrix
The Animatrix
The Matrix Reloaded
Enter the Matrix
The Matrix Revolutions

[Baadshah]

hey, where is Matrix Revisted in that list?

[Fanible]

Not to mention the next Matrix Revisited like DVD set that will feature the making of crap for both Revolutions and Reloaded.

[stage_tempest]

just a couple of things was re-watching the original matrix and the scene where neo and trin meet for the first time looks a lot like club hell to me. (i am sure someone somewhere has already mentioned it)

on the dvd what would be really good is a release of reloaded and revolutions (and all the other bits from animatrix) all one dvd running as one single movie.

[Baadshah]

no, that would be too much. All i want is a better cover for the Revolutions dvd, but it looks like that won't happen :(

[Mr.Anderson]

The Matrix covers are all the same anyway. The first on is them standing...Reloaded...also them standing!

[Baadshah]

but not Revolutions one if you have noticed. The cover sucks terribly, all they did was stick the four posters on there, and that's it. Nothing new at all

[JustAnAlias]

Who cares about the damn DVD cover anyway it won't make up for the movie.

[Baadshah]

but still, just because the movie wasn't that great, doesn't mean they can mess up the dvd cover. The cover is so out of place with the rest of the dvd covers from the other Matrix movies

[spiderman_2k]

They dont care...All they care about is taking your money out of youe hand.

[Baadshah]

well that sucks. It's not fair to the fans.

[spiderman_2k]

Exactly, but they dont care.

[henstar]

Ok I just caught up on this thread by reading through all eight pages, so heres my opinion on the trilogy. The first one is as close to perfection a film gets in my opinion. It had everything. Naturally I was looking forward to the sequels. Now I know that there is a ton of different philosophy, religion, and mythology thrown into these films, but I feel that the Christ references are the most prominent, so I really enjoy these films looking at them from that perspective.

Seeing as how Neo died and rose again in the first film I figured that Reloaded would be about people coming to Neo to find the truth (christianity today), and Revolutions would be based on Revalation the final book in the Bible, the second coming, and the destruction of the Earthly world. The setup was perfect and couldve been pulled off as smoothly as the first. After seeing Reloaded for the first time I was dissappointed but upon further viewings I began to love the film. And looking at it from the Neo/Christ view, it still exisited but not in the way everyone had thought. Reloaded was about Christs life, battling Sin (Smith) which was overcoming the world, performing miracles (Trinity's revival,) teaching the truth (Saving more people in 6 months than in 6 years,) and learning his fate (Architect.)

Revolutions naturally became Neo/Christ's sacrifice. Making his death in the first film his spiritual death and rebirth, his baptism. Which was handled amazingly. Sin (Smith) took over and Christ (Neo) sacrificed himself to defeat Sin. The only problem was that Christ ROSE AGAIN! Neo did not (questionable.) Also Christ became the middle man so to speak between humanity (life in the matrix) and God (the truth.) This was not even touched upon in Revolutions, Neo just might come again. Sure maybe he became the link but thats the best part of the story. I to this day after 3 viewing can not stand Revolutions, only because of the ending. Visually it was the most dynamic, and engaging film I have ever seen. The design and composition were easily the best I have ever seen. Same thing goes for the VFX. They were perfect. Yeah the story was lacking. It was too much visual and not enough story. But I could deal with that due to the fact that we already know the story and characters, but what a garbage ending. And (I told myself I wouldnt say this) in my opinion if the had elaborated on the end just the slightest bit or possibly cut off the last scene, the film couldve been a masterpiece. I am all about digging deep into the film, and ambiguity, but the end of Revolutions gave plenty to dig for with no where to dig.

If you want to dig into the first two films you can, look no further than the license plates on cars and hovercrafts or the names of characters. But Revolutions ending was a cop out, and nearly ruined the trilogy for me. Im waiting to give it another try on dvd, and the only thing that keeps me from waiting to buy the trilogy box set are the VFX because thats what I study in school.

Like I said I know about all of the Buddhism, Greek Mythology, ect. ect. So please dont tell me that Im not looking at the whole story.

EDIT: Sorry it looked like paragraphs as I was typing.

[awakened]

one word...PARAGRAGHS

[JustAnAlias]

Originally posted by henstar
Now I know that there is a ton of different philosophy, religion, and mythology thrown into these films, but I feel that the Christ references are the most prominent, so I really enjoy these films looking at them from that perspective.



I hate when people do this. I know your opinion is as valid as mine so don't take this the wrong way. You can see the film as you want. But so many people said that the sequels were dissapointing and A LOT of people read into the philosophy references. But guess what? IT'S JUST A MOVIE! These movies were never intended to be a gread philosophical statement. They aren't an allegory for the Christ story or the Hindu creation. They are entertainment. I loved the Matrix but It is just a movie. I get my religion from other things.

[konman72]

Originally posted by JustAnAlias
I hate when people do this. I know your opinion is as valid as mine so don't take this the wrong way. You can see the film as you want. But so many people said that the sequels were dissapointing and A LOT of people read into the philosophy references. But guess what? IT'S JUST A MOVIE! These movies were never intended to be a gread philosophical statement. They aren't an allegory for the Christ story or the Hindu creation. They are entertainment. I loved the Matrix but It is just a movie. I get my religion from other things.

I think that when the website for a movie has its own philosophy section then the movies intended to have some sort of philosophical or religious references. He never said he based his religion off of the movies, but i know from experience that these movies have a way of reaffirming your faith in whatever god you believe in. They WERE meant to have philosophy and religion as a part of them and that is why people analyze them so much. They are entertainment that is true, but the movies are so deep that they allow this type of inspection and analysis, and just because you do not want to go that far into them does not mean that it is not there. As you can tell from all the people who do take it deeper it is there, you just have to be willing to find it.

[Baadshah]

even though it's entertainment, it entertains us with the philosophies that it portrays. It makes the movie more dynamic. But yes, i agree with Henstar, the ending blows.

[JustAnAlias]

Originally posted by konman72
I think that when the website for a movie has its own philosophy section then the movies intended to have some sort of philosophical or religious references. He never said he based his religion off of the movies, but i know from experience that these movies have a way of reaffirming your faith in whatever god you believe in. They WERE meant to have philosophy and religion as a part of them and that is why people analyze them so much. They are entertainment that is true, but the movies are so deep that they allow this type of inspection and analysis, and just because you do not want to go that far into them does not mean that it is not there. As you can tell from all the people who do take it deeper it is there, you just have to be willing to find it.

Your saying this of a movie with Keanu Reeves. Think about it. I am a huge matrix fan and still I just don't see these philosophical references as purposeful. Sure if you look close enough they're there but just sit back and enjoy the movie I say.

[henstar]

Originally posted by JustAnAlias
I hate when people do this. I know your opinion is as valid as mine so don't take this the wrong way. You can see the film as you want. But so many people said that the sequels were dissapointing and A LOT of people read into the philosophy references. But guess what? IT'S JUST A MOVIE! These movies were never intended to be a gread philosophical statement. They aren't an allegory for the Christ story or the Hindu creation. They are entertainment. I loved the Matrix but It is just a movie. I get my religion from other things.

See this is the problem with the uneducated movie goer. If you spent a day in film school you would realize the importance of symbolism in movies. A good film maker considers every aspect of his film, to the point that its not just a movie but an art form. Sure there are movies that are just movies. Bad Boys is just a movie, 2 Fast 2 Furious is just a movie, but the filmmakers who know their stuff these days know the importance of hidden meaning, and symbolism.

[konman72]

Originally posted by JustAnAlias
Your saying this of a movie with Keanu Reeves. Think about it. I am a huge matrix fan and still I just don't see these philosophical references as purposeful. Sure if you look close enough they're there but just sit back and enjoy the movie I say.

I do enjoy the movie as just a movie, but I enjoy it so much more when i look beyond just the entertainment value of it and find some deeper meaning in it that can change my percetion of my life, and maybe make me a better person. If you don't want to look that deep then fine, but those references are there for a reason, and you should not put down other people for looking deeper than you are willing to.

[JustAnAlias]

I know I don't want people to think I'm insulting them for looking into the movies. I simply choose not to.

Also good news people. I saw the waterfall urinal in another movie so it does exist outised the matrix. It's in femme fatale right before the opening lesbian scene.

[Baadshah]

nice, we need more of that

[Baadshah]

especially in the girls bathroom

[White Tiger]

Question: What was the point of that orgy scene in "The Matrix Reloaded"?

I've been wondering why the hell the people of Zion would respond to the news that the machines are digging toward Zion and will annihilate the entire human race by having sex! And please no on respond with the word "love". Cuz what I saw in Reloaded was not love.

[Baadshah]

it was about shedding the fear of it, like what Morphous said during his speech

[White Tiger]

it wasn't shedding the fear...it looked more like postponing it

[konman72]

Have you ever been really stressed or worried about something, whether its a big event like a wedding, or funeral or something to that effect? Did you ever do something to take your mind off of the worry that you had, like say play a video game or hang out with friends. That was basically what they were doing, while also expressing what it truly means to be human.

[henstar]

Originally posted by White Tiger
Question: What was the point of that orgy scene in "The Matrix Reloaded"?

I've been wondering why the hell the people of Zion would respond to the news that the machines are digging toward Zion and will annihilate the entire human race by having sex! And please no on respond with the word "love". Cuz what I saw in Reloaded was not love.

I skip over that scene every single time I watch the movie, it was gratuitous and a waste of film. In fact I feel that even Neo and Trinitys relationship was poorly handled in the begininning of Reloaded. They seemed like horny teenagers, instead of destined lovers. Say what you will about the reason behind that scene, nothing is valid. It made me disgusted by the Zionites, and I was even worried that in Revolutions I would root for the machines after a load of garbage like that rave scene. There was no love only lust, there was no spirituality only flesh. Horrible.

[stage_tempest]

The one part of both Reloaded and Revolutions that failed badly was that as an audience we were never drawn into connecting with people of Zion.
It was handled in a lop side manner where we either saw the people of zion as hippy youngster at an all night rave or as beautiful people aiming guns and rockets at squiddies. The only time there was a chance to connect with the people of zion and realise ther plight was for that brief moment in reloaded when the woman askes Neo to protect her son/daughter who is on a ship.
If we had been given more of a chance to connect with the people of zion and have a better understanding of them etc. we may have seen the point of the having zion.
I mean would it not have been better to get rid of that long docking scene and have more interaction in zion? we could have been given a new dimension to trin's character by seeing her in actions/reactions/friends/etc in zion.
I still believe that too much time (and money) was spent on special effects than the story line
Mind you I still do like the films.

[JustAnAlias]

Good point, unless your an aging hippie it's hard to connect and relate with the Zionists. Even in the war scene in Revolutions there weren't any character that I partucually cared about. Except for the kid but I only liked him because of Kid's Story in the Animatrix.

[konman72]

I dont know, i always had a connection to them. I mean they are the last humans on earth, theres not much left that you need to know to connect with them or care about them. But this is all a matter of opinion so your arguments are valid. I love, and i mean LOVE the dock scene, it is so amazing. I personally felt a connection with Zee, Kid and Mifune in that scene since their characters had been very interesting to me.

[Halofan1]

Some of the same arguments about the Zion characters can be made about the people of Minas Tirith. We don't get to know any of those characters except Faramir and his father, but yet people still "cared".

Like I told Brock earlier, I treasure the Matrix movies as much as you LotR fans love your series. The first movie just dazzled me in a way no other movie ever had before so Reloaded and Revolutions could have had the plot of a Dr. Seuss book and I still would have liked them.

[JustAnAlias]

Well at times they seemed too go along with Dr. Sues. " We're all her to do what we're all here to do just like agent kalamazoo. Agent kalamazoo bandookers and shlookers all day long, just like the other kalamazoos."

[awakened]

*cricket chirp*

[G-Matrix]

the matrix has been resurreted

[Baadshah]

by yours truly

[G-Matrix]

I don't know if it was discuss before...the meaning of the pi symbol written in the walls

[Baadshah]

where?

[true fan11212]

henstar: I thought I was the only one who skip through the Zion rave! It has to be the most pointless sequences in The Matrix Trilogy...

Anyway, although I enjoyed Reloaded and Revolutions(Revolutions moreso than Reloaded), both films were ultimately disappointing and did not live up to the original...

One thing that hindered the sequels was the fact that they were two films. When they should have been one... Don't get me wrong, I would have not been against the idea, if they were two fantastic films. But ultimately, they are too dependent on each other. And I think Reloaded suffers the most.

Honestly, Reloaded is mostly set up, IMHO. It feels overstuffed with information, which makes the plot convulted. Sure, Reloaded is the middle film, but there's no pay off until you get to Revolutions. There's also too many unnecessary things in it. Or great ideas that weren't given the proper execution.

As for Revolutions, I though it was a really good film. However, its almost the exact opposite of Reloaded. Its all pay off, with little set-up. But what hurts Revolutions the most is the fact that the ending, though good, was too inconclusive. Still, Revolutions gets into its story alot quicker than Reloaded, IMHO, and the plot is less convulted. And unlike Reloaded, Revolutions takes my favorite sequel rule and separates the heroes.

Ultimately though, Reloaded and Revolutions lack the execution, tension and the craftmanship of the original...

Though they are larger, some of the action sequences in the sequels lack the excitement and tension of the original... For me, the car chase was boring for the most part. It was too long, there was too much slow motion and not enough carnage. And as much as I liked the Burly Brawl, the CGI was too obvious for it to be completely effective.

On the Visual Effects front, the sequels were built up to be so spectacular that(as Joel Silver put it), the bar would be raised so high, there would be no bar. But when the sequels came out, I wasn't blown away.

Sure, Revolutions had some really good effects, but Reloaded's were uneven. The Burly Brawl could have been spectacular, but the CGI was too obvious. And I loved when Neo flied. But again, it was obviously CGI(As was the Agent jumping onto the front of the car, and building blowing up).

[Tornado]

I don't know if any of you guys are interested but there is a Matrix Titles thread similar to the one I started in the Star Wars forum . . .

Follow the link in my sig . . .

[G-Matrix]

Yes join us, and together we will dsestry the System....or something like that

[stage_tempest]

With LOTR at least the lead characters were in Minas Tirith, in Revolutions they were not (and the kid and Zee were not major characters) There would have been better tension if Morpheus was held at Zion against his will (got arrested at some point) and he led the battle sequence instead. Now I dont know about you guys but I would have been enthralled as Morpheus stays on the main dock, fighting the squiddies knowing that his efforts will get Niobe back and word about Neo and Trinity. The Morpheus character in Revolutions was wasted by being nothing more than Niobe's navigator.
Just my two cents worth

[Baadshah]

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00009W2GQ.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
sorry UK folks
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SoundScream]

If you go to the Consantine super hero hype page there is an interview with Reeves where he gives some thoughts on the charcter of Neo and how he endes up.

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by Baadshah
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00009W2GQ.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
sorry UK folks
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not quite sure what is so funny....Everywhere else has the exact same cover.

[Garnet Spring]

Originally posted by Baadshah
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00009W2GQ.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
sorry UK folks
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That's the actual cover?!

[awakened]

yeah whats so funny?

[Garnet Spring]

Originally posted by awakened
yeah whats so funny? Umm...I'll be a nice girl today, so nevermind.:D

[G-Matrix]

garnet r u interesting in a matrix game in the forum for the role of a trin type?

[Baadshah]

Originally posted by awakened
yeah whats so funny?

for awhile, the official artwork of the cover for Region 1 was only available, so the Region 2 cover was still in specualtion. But now, it's official, you guys get the sorry cover as well :applaud:

[Baadshah]

guys, look what i found at imdb.com on Larry:
Estranged wife Thea Bloom was his college sweetheart. He left Bloom in 2002 for Karin Winslow, a professional dominatrix, who left her husband to take Wachowski on as her "slave."

[Garnet Spring]

Originally posted by G-Matrix
garnet r u interesting in a matrix game in the forum for the role of a trin type? Yes...

[G-Matrix]

go to the matrix titles thread

[2_much_popcorn1]

when is the box set coming out

[spiderman_2k]

There has been no official word

[G-Matrix]

soon

[spiderman_2k]

Doubt it...

[stage_tempest]

the only way you are going to see the box set is nicely packaged for christmas, one year, maybe not this year

[Baadshah]

is it just three movies. Because i wasted alot of money on buying all Matrix stuff

[Baadshah]

any other points to the film that people want to share?

[kylesmile]

My thoughts on The Matrix Trilogy:

The Matrix --- A visionary, thrilling sci-fi action epic that tested the boundaries of what could be done with filmmaking. A great story, with solid script & acting, incredible visual effects, and some tense action sequences. A true classic.

The Matrix: Reloaded ----- Entertaining, but extremely flawed. Visually stunning, it is 2.5 hours of "Action-Talk-Action-Talk-Action-Talk". The Action parts are great, with ground-breaking new effects and wonderful music. The talks are pretentious, boring, and trying to be too smart. Overall, the good parts can be watched in under an hour, but those parts are really, really good.

The Matrix: Revolutions ---- The most disappointing movie I've ever seen. Not even entertaining like Reloaded. I cared for none of the main characters. Once Trinity died especially I didn't care because Neo obviously didn't care. Also, who the hell cares about Zion? Most of the movie takes place there with visual effects that supposed "raise the bar so high there won't be a bar.(Joel Silver)". I didn't even find them impressing. The end left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. I was disgusted.

I'd like to not think of the Matrix movies as a Trilogy. The Matrix can stay by itself in a league all its own. Reloaded can be some popcorn action and I will completely forget about Revolutions.

[konman72]

My thoughts:

All three movies were great, the three best movies of all time in my opinion. While I agree that the first was better, the other two were great as well. People bash and hate them very UNJUSTLY. Critics hate them just to hate them and people hate them because critics hate them. But no matter what peoples opinions are of them, they are by far my favorite movies ever. They have truly changed my life in many ways and I look forward to owning all three of them so that I can watch them back-to back-to back over and over again.

I will always think of them as a trilogy because they are better that way IMO.

"For Neo"

[Andrey83]

That DVD cover is the worst cover ever made. Well it fits pretty good the the quality of the 3rd film so....never mind :)

[Baadshah]

the cover does suck, and it doesn't look like they will change the cover.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by Baadshah
the cover does suck, and it doesn't look like they will change the cover.

I know, and that is strange. Because surely they must have seen that every single movie discussion board is talking about how much they suck... I just dont understand....

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Baadshah
any other points to the film that people want to share?

The Trilogy is perhaps one of the most innovative things I have ever seen. I love these movies, and they are right behind the Star Wars Saga on my alltime list. I realize that a lot of people hate Revolutions but I really like it. I know that it has its flaws, but it also has it's high points. Reloaded is one of the greatest summer-popcorn movies I have ever seen, with all the action it has it will be remembered for years to come . . .

(all of this is my own opinion, not neccessarily anyone else's . . .)