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QUINNtheESKIMO
12-21-2003, 08:46 PM
Which of the following do you feel is the MOST overrated?

Satan
12-21-2003, 08:52 PM
Ron Howard

IdahoMR2man
12-21-2003, 09:00 PM
Spielberg. Sure ET and Jaws were nifty. But do those two movies make up for all the other crap he's done?

QUINNtheESKIMO
12-21-2003, 09:10 PM
I voted Spielberg. Sure, he might be better than the others, although that is debatable, but as far as where people rate him, they like to put him on some kind of upper echelon that I just do not think he belongs.

Se7en the movie
12-21-2003, 10:29 PM
ridley scott is massively overrated! spielberg is a genius and tim burton is the most original director around

also what about george luca, sure he made the best sci-fi film ever but what else? american graffiti, thats it?

Rocksolidus
12-21-2003, 10:35 PM
WAIT....HOLD THE PHONES...I DON'T SEE GEORGE LUCAS...WHERE IS GEORGE LUCAS' NAME???

QUINNtheESKIMO
12-21-2003, 10:39 PM
Lucas goes without saying. He's a joke.

Halofan1
12-21-2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by Se7en the movie
ridley scott is massively overrated! spielberg is a genius and tim burton is the most original director around

also what about george luca, sure he made the best sci-fi film ever but what else? american graffiti, thats it?

Star Wars is not the best Sci-Fi film. The Matrix is.

redman
12-21-2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Halofan1
Star Wars is not the best Sci-Fi film. The Matrix is.

i wouldnt go that far.

Oj
12-21-2003, 11:32 PM
Tim Burton. He's had a couple shining moments, but not enough for the credit he receives.

MovieDan82
12-22-2003, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by IdahoMR2man
Spielberg. Sure ET and Jaws were nifty. But do those two movies make up for all the other crap he's done?

Well he did direct Schindler's List, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, The Color Purple, and Raiders of the Lost Ark...

Instinct
12-22-2003, 01:49 PM
Spielberg is far from overrated. He can just make a movie, simple as that.
Tim Burton has his own little world he chooses ideas from to make movies, we need more people like him in Hollywood.
If I HAD to choose someone from that list, I'd say Ridley Scott.

FilmJerk
12-22-2003, 02:05 PM
man another whack post. all the directors are great. and to have Speilberg on there thats just dumb. An overrrated director means thats he/she has done maybe one or 2 great movies and people think of him/her as great. Spielberg has done many great films. Shindlers List,Saving Private Ryan,Jurassic Park. Many more. And all the others have also doen great movies. Someone clearly cant tell the difference between a great director and an overrrated one.

QUINNtheESKIMO
12-22-2003, 04:41 PM
Very few serious film critics think all that highly of Spielberg, and his stock is definitely not rising. Jaws was a great suspense thriller, worthy of Hitchcock. Schindler's List was very good, and the least Spielberg of all his movies, though it should have been in German, not English. Most of the rest of his films are good to great pop corn flicks, but not art. Most people, like yourself-who are not serious film connoseurs, consider him to be the greatest living director, but to me he's not in the same league as Hayao Miyazaki, Spike Lee, Scorcese, or Almodolvar; for satarters.

The general public has this idea that Spielberg is the greatest director ever, but quite frankly he isn't the greatest director of his own time, and he has really only made 2 or 3 great films.

Darth Vedder
12-22-2003, 05:21 PM
Where does it say that great directors make only "arty" movies?

Spielberg has showed us a previously unseen ability to direct and produce good-to-great serious movies (Empire of the Sun, Schindler's List, Private Ryan) and equally great lighter films, like Indiana Jones, Jaws, Close Encounters and even the first Jurassic Park.

A good action movie (say Indiana Jones), IMO, is better than the "arty" Almodovar ones. I'm not a film critic (they are full of it), but I know what I like and what I expect from a movie.

Greatness, IMO, is in the eye of the beholder.

droidguy1119
12-22-2003, 05:29 PM
I like all of them, especially Robert Zemeckis, who has made many of my favorite movies of all time -- he's a creative genius in my opinion -- but Ron Howard gets more credit than he deserves. He makes good movies, sure, but they're not groundbreaking or outstanding to me.

Mat
12-22-2003, 05:39 PM
I think Lucas is under-rated as a director, but anywho...

I won't vote Spielberg. He's made too many great movies, both artistically and entertaining. Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Schindler's List, Amistad, A Color Purple, A.I., and Minority Report are just the great ones. Most directors couldn't dream of making that many great movies in a lifetime.

I think Spike Lee is the most overrated director. I mean "Do the Right Thing" was his masterpiece and I liked Summer of Sam, but the rest of his work is really forgettable. He's not what everybody makes him up to be.

Highfire
12-22-2003, 06:09 PM
Spielberg is way over-rated

droidguy1119
12-22-2003, 06:37 PM
It's not that Spielberg is really overrated, it's that he's overexposed, and therefore he becomes a stereotype of the image of "good cinema," which he makes, but he's not the best, and overall this causes him to seem overrated. I think he deserves all his praise, but people need to be more informed that Spielberg isn't the only great filmmaker out there.

Wildfire
12-22-2003, 06:59 PM
Im seeing NO hated for Ron Howard .....:confused: how sad

Dracula
12-22-2003, 08:21 PM
I voted zemeckis, but I'd take that back and put it on howard If I could.

Ron Howard is the Burger King of directors
Zemeckis is the Wendys of directors
Spielberg is the perkins of directors
Tim Burton is unique like a good Cuban resturaunt
Ridley Scott is like the most popular (but not finest) resturaunt in town.

Rain
12-22-2003, 08:42 PM
Tim Burton - he has never done anything that special but every one seems to praise him for a few good-but-almost-great movies

Neverending
12-22-2003, 09:25 PM
This is the stupidest poll ever! Steven Spielberg is a great director. Sure he has only directed two or three "artistic" films, but where does it say you only have to direct art films in order to be great. What? Movies can't be entertaining as well?!

Tim Burton is a genius. Sure his movies usually have simple plots, but people don't praise him because of his storytelling. They praise him because of his magnificent visuals and wonderful, inventive characters. He is perhaps the most original director out there at this very moment. The only problem is that he lacks good writers.

Ridley Scott is like Spielberg, but not as entertaining.
Ron Howard is a great director who can do both entertaining and artistic films.

Robert Zemeckis is a genius when it comes to good popcorn fun.

-Quinn you think they are over-rated because they are not true artists like Kurosawa, Leone, or Scorsese, but the fact of it is that they are all praised not because they are artists (although Burton is an artist.) but because they are great ENTERTAINERS!

Dilophosaurus89
12-22-2003, 09:41 PM
Ron Howard will be hated for his film version of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" and i'm just one of those haters:mad:

obsessedwithsnl
12-22-2003, 10:04 PM
i put ron howard mainly because of "how the grinch stole christmas" and "a beautiful mind".....i have the biggest grude against "a beautiful mind"

Robert Zemeckis i haven't really heard that much of so he can't be overated

tim burton is awesome

steven spielberg is great...he can make really cool action movies that aren't stupid and he can do awesome dramas

ridley scott is really cool too....kinda like speilberg

droidguy1119
12-22-2003, 10:06 PM
It makes me sad people underrate Zemeckis. The Back to the Future movies were great -- the first one heartwarming, but the second one was one of the most wildly inventive movies of all time just because of the way it goes back into the first one -- and Who Framed Roger Rabbit is a masterpiece which has been attempted again but never achieved.

And as for Spielberg, again...he's fine. He's not the greatest director ever, just the most well-known, with Lucas coming in a close second.

And Tim Burton's imagination seems endless...strange, Gothic inventions of unique and different functions, shapes and meanings.

I mean, personally, I look for creativity and invention in directors. That is what makes me love a film, and what will make me support a director if I see it on a consistent basis. And while Ron Howard makes good films, he just demonstrates the least creativity. Apollo 13 was great, A Beautiful Mind was better, and I seem to be the only one who really liked The Grinch, but none of these show invention and whimsy like the other directors listed.

Neverending
12-22-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by obsessedwithsnl
Robert Zemeckis i haven't really heard that much of so he can't be overated

He directed the Back to the Future Trilogy, Forest Gump, Death Becomes Her, What Lies Beneth, and the two Michael Douglas/Kathleen Turner Indiana Jones rip-off films.

RebelwithaCause
12-23-2003, 12:53 AM
Bleh...there are very few of Scott's film that I like, mainly only Hannibal...however, I haven't seen Matchstick Men yet. Zemeckis is a good director, and is on the verge of being great. Howard is...well, eh, in my opinion. Sure, Apollo 13 and Beautiful Mind were well made, but beyond that...not much else. And Spielberg...NO.

Philm
12-23-2003, 02:54 AM
All the directors mentioned are excellent in their own way and style of direction. My fav would have to be Zemeckis, my least fav would be Howard, but he is still a great director.

Rocksolidus
12-23-2003, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by Mat
I think Lucas is under-rated as a director, but anywho...


What in the...

Who the...

How in the...

Okay, the only two good movies he has directed are the original Star Wars, and the Empire Strikes back..And even those "good ones" he just had the inpulse to tear apart and "FIX" with new-age media.

Originally posted by QUINNtheESKIMO
Lucas goes without saying. He's a joke.

IdahoMR2man
12-23-2003, 03:11 AM
Spielberg has only given us such films as Catch Me if You Can and Minority Report which were par films. A.I. was definately sub-par. Saving Private Ryan was par. Anyone remember Hook and The Lost World? He's WAY overrated. He made a few great films but has a slew of "ok" films and is still praised as the best. I say thee nay.

Dracula
12-23-2003, 09:18 AM
Shame on the Ridley Scott haters. how can you diss someone who alowed you to see Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator,Black Hawk Down, and Matchstick men. I'd say he's the greatest living (and still working) director.

Spielberg is okey but I find his work to be aa bit sterile, like he seems to have a scietific method for making movies people will love. Let's take a look at his track record:

Dual, best TV movie ever but thats not saying much

The Sugarland express, oversentimental, badly paced, stupid story

Jaws, Awsome movie, great thriller psielbergs peak was a bit early

Close encounters, great but not quite a masterpiece

1941, notorious bomb

Raiders, great action movie, but at the end of the day that's all it is.

E.T., sentimental garbage

Temple of doom, again just a great action film

Empire of the Sun, crap

Always, crap

Hook, crap

JP, another mere action film

Schindlers List, good and would have been great if they spoke german

The Lost World, mediocre action film

Amistade, mediocre film

A.I. would have been a masterpiece in the hands of Kubrick, insted...

Minority report, Masterpice, Spielbergs second greatest film

Catch me if you can, mediocre

Tim burton is very imaginative, but niot the Most imaginative, that would be Giliam

Zemeckis, not a master, but he's actually underated rather then overated

Howard is clearly the most overrated director ever: HE NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN HALF THE CREDIT HE HAS IF HE WEREN'T OPIE AND THE GUY ON "HAPPY DAYS"

QUINNtheESKIMO
12-23-2003, 07:53 PM
Kurosawa films are highly entertaining. I just like filmakers who make movies that are worth more than one viewing. Some of those directors have made a few good, to great movies; but they are all elevated to some supreme level of greatness by the Oscar's and other semi-serious movie watcher types, and I just want to point out that these guys don't really deserve to be on the pedastal that many have placed them.

I have a few people who are defending these guys to the death, telling me all about entertainment and such, and I do find the Indiana Jones films to be very entertaining, and I find Pirates of the Carribean to be very entertaining; and those films were really well made, and certainly have their place in everything. But these filmmakers don't always achieve that level of success, and rarely achieve anything profound and moving. And I am just asking if they should be anointed as the greatest directors ever, or if some these guys even deserve an Oscar(which they will use to plug all of their following movies).

Neverending
12-24-2003, 12:31 AM
None of these people are claimed the greatest director by any real movie lover. It's just the general public. These director have acheived great success because the public loves their movie. Plain and simple.

Anyway, Tim Burton has never been nominated for anything in his filmmaking career. So if you included him because of awards then I guess you were mistaken.

sniktawt
12-24-2003, 10:28 AM
Lucas goes without saying. He's a joke
That may be true but he is a marketing genius and his sound and production companies are far from a joke.


originally posted by Rocksolidus
Okay, the only two good movies lucas has directed are the original Star Wars, and the Empire Strikes back..And even those "good ones" he just had the inpulse to tear apart and "FIX" with new-age media.

Ok , Guess what ? Lucas did not direct EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.

Irvin Kershner did.


Now on to this list...Come on , none of these guys are over rated, they are too well respected now to be over rated.
They accomplished too much.
An over rated director would be somebody who made one or two films and then became a star simply based on flukes.

You want over rated here's a few...

McG...Made two films, Both the same.

Quentin Tarentino...I Love the guy but he takes way too long rests between films and he "THINKS" he 's the greatest,he 's good but his outside attitude is crap.

Rob Cohen...Gets one action hit then he thinks no one will forget all the past **** he made.

Michael bay...Likes to blow things up...Nuff said!!!

WACHOWSKI brothers...They made the Craptrix Trilogy , should I say more...Don't have too, waaaaay over rated!!!

Farrelly Brothers...Keep turning out **** after **** and get a fanbase because of it.Why?

There's more but Those are off the top of my head.

This poll is flawed, Those names should be on there.

Mat
12-24-2003, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Rocksolidus
What in the...

Who the...

How in the...

Okay, the only two good movies he has directed are the original Star Wars, and the Empire Strikes back..And even those "good ones" he just had the inpulse to tear apart and "FIX" with new-age media.

I agree the special editions were not called for (even though he didn't even direct ESB). I mean, the movies he has directed... THX 1138, American Graffiti, Star Wars, The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones... are extremely imaginative and Lucas has a good eye for the camera. He is not a good writer; that much is certain. But he has proven that he can be a good director.

While we're talking about over-rated directors, let's also add Sam Raimi. The Evil Dead movies were amusing, but everything else he's done has been pretty mediocre.

sniktawt
12-25-2003, 05:01 AM
Ang Lee could also be added to that list.

Dracula
12-25-2003, 09:23 AM
Peter Jackson, he could be big, but all he's made is one movie I care about, albeit a very long movie

zamphir66
12-25-2003, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Halofan1
Star Wars is not the best Sci-Fi film. The Matrix is.

The Matrix is not the best Sci-Fi film. Blade Runner is. And that's a fact. anyone who disagrees is wrong.:p

Rizor
12-25-2003, 12:53 PM
Besides, Star Wars isn't really science fiction. ;)

I'd say Ron Howard. A few years ago when A Beautiful Mind came out everyone was saying how Haward would win the Oscar because the Academy owed him. Owed him what?! Apollo 13 is the only movie he's made that I would consider great. He's made some very good and entertaining films, but he's also made some pretty bad ones like The Grinch and EdTV in my humble opinion. That goes without saying that Howard has a charming personality, but he really hasn't made anything special to me.

droidguy1119
12-25-2003, 04:01 PM
Exactly. I enjoy his movies, but he's not the great director some people make him out to be.

Neverending
12-26-2003, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Mat
While we're talking about over-rated directors, let's also add Sam Raimi. The Evil Dead movies were amusing, but everything else he's done has been pretty mediocre.

How can you say that Sam Raimi is over-rated? He's a true genius with a camera and he has done a lot of great to entertaining movies on different genres.


The Evil Dead
Evil Dead II: Dead by Dawn
Darkman
Evil Dead III: Army of Darkness
The Quick and the Dead
A Simple Plan
The Gift
Spider-Man


Aside from that he produced Hercules and Xena: Warrior Princess. I don't think Raimi is overrated. He is very entertaining and can do great movies like A Simple Plan.

sniktawt
12-26-2003, 01:13 AM
Raimi is actually Under rated , He doesn't even get talked about so how could he be oveer rated.

A simple Plan was a masterpiece IMO.

Chachi
12-26-2003, 01:30 AM
Speilberg is a pimp.

Is he over-rated? Hell no. He makes good movies. Critics may say he makes "popcorn movies". What they mean to say is that he makes movies that pull in a ****load of money. He makes movies that the audience can relate to. He makes movies to entertain us. He wants to make artsy movies, but like most directors, if you make an artsy movie nobody will watch and you will fall by the wayside. Look into the guys history. He wanted to make Shindler's List. The only way he could get funding is if he made Jurassic Park(might not have been funding, might have been contract). Either way, the dude delivers. I personally go out of my way to see his movies. He reminds me of another director with the same attributes. Anyone hear of James Cameron? He also knows how to hold the audience in the palm of his hands.

I think people cut down Speilberg so much because they don't want him to have the title of greatest director? They want that precious title to go to a guy like Scorcese. Why? Because he makes good artsy movies. Give him the budget and ask him to make an action movies and it will suck a**. I liked Gangs of New York, but I will tell you the action in the movies was what held it down from being great. The fight scenes, the explosions, the intensity was all very fricking subpar. The story kept it afloat. Don't even try to think the movie raging bull was action or had any part of being action. I like Scorcese. In fact I think he is a mastermind in the movie industry, but without a doubt the most overrated director AMOUNG "EDUCATED" FILM BUFFS. The general public underrates him.

Ridley Scott has made some excellent movies. Bladerunner, Thelma & Louise, Black Hawk Down, and Gladiator. Matchstick Men wasn't that good IMO. Still, he makes good movies and not everyone knows his name. So how can he be overrated?

Ron Howard had made Apollo 13 and A Beautiful Mind. Don't forget the excellent movie Backdraft. That was an outstanding movie. It came to the theaters the same time as Terminator 2. I think it was like a week later. It still pulled in massive bank at the box office. He also found out how to push greatness out of Kurt Russell (who btw is one of the most underrated actors). In the end I think Howard is overrated. I say this only because of the choices given. He is a great director. But coming of A Beautiful Mind has the public buzzing about his abilities. He doesn't deserve that much attention.

The most over rated Director that comes to mind is John Woo. I hate what he does to movies so bad that I would like to punch him in the face.

:evil:

sniktawt
12-26-2003, 01:32 AM
woo is over rated big time

FilmJerk
12-26-2003, 01:40 AM
overrated directots would be like Shyamalan, Cjristopher Nolan, who have only director like 3 or4 movies and already people say that they are great directors, even though the movies they have donr are good

EnderDeschain
12-26-2003, 03:30 AM
The director that I would most like to punch in the face is Oliver Stone. I would also say he's the most overrated. And I hate art-house fu**ers that sit back and lord it over "casual" moviegoers such as myself. Opinions are opinions. If someone thinks that Captain Ron is the greatest movie ever, it doesn't give other folks a license to condescend toward them. It's like saying Tom Clancy or John Grisham or Stephen King aren't good writers to "serious" readers. Bullsh**. People are jealous. People think that by dropping less-heard-of names they automatically become subject-matter experts, and if they scoff at the popular names then so much the better. And it's an easy thing to get away with because you know most people will never look into those less-heard-of names to see if they really are good or not. Most people will just say "well, he knows who Director Schmuckatelli is and I don't, so he must be right". Bullsh**.

Oh yeah, a Sam Raimi flick that didn't get mentioned in Neverending's list is For Love Of The Game. Underrated movie by a good director.

Neverending
12-26-2003, 05:57 PM
I never saw For Love of The Game. I never really liked these Kevin Costner baseball movies. Well, Field of Dreams was pretty good, but I never dared to go pay money to see a Kevin Costner movie. He hasn't made a good movie since before Waterworld.

QUINNtheESKIMO
12-26-2003, 07:03 PM
John Woo has made a few pretty good action flicks, and while he isn't overrated by the Oscar people, he is overrated by the pop culture action flick audience, in much the same way that Bruce Willis is. James Cameron was a candidate for the poll.

The difference between the directors in the poll and directors who consider I to be great, is that the directors in the poll have no sense of the psychology of the camera, and most of them have no idea what it means to use symbolism, and no concept of the mise en cine. Furthermore, their films lack emotional power, and instead rely on predictable endings and sappy moments covered in sugar-coated scores.

DarkDemon21
12-26-2003, 10:20 PM
Spielberg is overrated. He's only made a few movies I like. And Lucas is very overrated. In my opinion, Burton doesn't get enough credit.

Mat
12-27-2003, 11:03 PM
Everyone is now raving about Sam Raimi... which proves my point: He's overrated. I forgot about A Simple Plan... which was alright. The Quick and the Dead was a star-studded mockery of the western genre. For Love of the Game was a cliched Kevin Costner sports movie (there are a few). And then there's his magnus opus of mediocrity Spider-Man. So, yes, because a lot of people think all or most his movies are great, I consider him over-rated.

And whoever said he wanted to punch Oliver Stone needs to get his head examined. He's a brilliant director.

konman72
12-28-2003, 05:13 AM
Is there an option for Peter Jackson?

zamphir66
12-28-2003, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Mat
And whoever said he wanted to punch Oliver Stone needs to get his head examined. He's a brilliant director.

Sure he's a brilliant director, but he has unfortunately convinced a whole new generation that a conspiracy was behind the Kennedy assassination. It would take a while for me to list all of the blatant hours [should say errors but i'm leaving it cuz its funny] in JFK. Maybe I'll start a thread on that.:alien:

Rabbit
12-28-2003, 01:11 PM
Rob Z.

JackBauer
12-28-2003, 01:20 PM
peter jackson is the most overrated director IMO, this poll is stupid

spiderman_2k
12-28-2003, 01:40 PM
I would have to say the W.Bros, although They are no longer overrated as Reloaded and Revolutions sucked.

Radiohead
12-28-2003, 02:17 PM
tim burton OVERrated? underrated is more like it ...

scifi guy
12-28-2003, 04:23 PM
^Agreed

i chose Ron Howard

QUINNtheESKIMO
12-28-2003, 06:53 PM
yeah, I admit, Burton doesn't really belong on here. Not only is he not overrated, but he's the best of the bunch.

sniktawt
12-28-2003, 06:54 PM
Like JackBauer said this poll is stupid...All those directors on the poll paid their dues and there are so many that haven't that aren't even on the list.

sniktawt
12-28-2003, 06:56 PM
TIM BURTON is a Genius...Under rated and under appreciated come to mind when I hear the Name Tim Burton, Not over rated.

Cookie Monster
12-28-2003, 07:06 PM
I say Spielberg.

QUINNtheESKIMO
12-28-2003, 07:28 PM
paying dues doesn't have all that much to do with making fine films.

Psycho-Pirate
12-28-2003, 09:22 PM
Tim Burton is awesome. Way better than Ron Howard. And he has his own trademark visual style, which is something that even Spielberg and Lucas don't have. Tim Burton and Alex Proyas are both incredible.

droidguy1119
12-28-2003, 09:32 PM
Why is Jackson overrated? Trust me, you couldn't have envisioned Lord of the Rings the way he did...

And I have to point out, on the topic of Zemeckis, that his next film has a visual style that's unique -- The Polar Express, visually, looks like no other movie I've ever seen. It's just another reason that he shouldn't be on the list.

m00se
12-28-2003, 09:47 PM
Tim Burton is awesome. I love the way he thinks about things and then just is able to transfer it to the screen, without even considering that no one will like it [it doesn't seem like he does, because it's so different from what people generically "like"...]. Then again, I love his zany way of looking at things, while others see it just as a way to look for attention or that he's just bland. I can't see why, but that's because I don't think he's bland, at all.

EnderDeschain
12-28-2003, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by Mat
And whoever said he wanted to punch Oliver Stone needs to get his head examined. He's a brilliant director.

Brilliant how? I could probably take a lot of drugs and move the camera around to dreamy angles and what-not, do slow-motion entirely too much, and try to insinuate my political agenda into EVERY SINGLE FILM I MAKE just as much as he can. Would I then be brilliant? Hardly. He's an overrated hippie.

Granted, a lot of this may be carry-over from the fact that I absolutely, positively detest the man's politics and the way he presents the American government in his films. But I'd still love to meet him in a dark alley.

Mat
12-28-2003, 11:06 PM
His politics are crazy, and his thoughts on a 9/11 conspiracy were completely absurd. But that shouldn't affect the way you view his movies. I never take any film as exact fact. They're always exagerrated fact or pure fiction.

You're thoughts on his techniques are purely opinion so I'll leave that as it is. Though, I thought his direction of Natural Born Killers was brilliant.

zamphir66
12-28-2003, 11:55 PM
you know he did write the screenplay for scarface, i have to give him props for that. and JFK Was a good movie, even if the 'facts' are kind of fuzzy.

QUINNtheESKIMO
12-29-2003, 01:23 AM
Scarface sucked. Ebert loved JFK, but Ebert can be an idiot sometimes. Oliver Stone should have been on the list. he's completely overrated.

EnderDeschain
12-29-2003, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by Mat
His politics are crazy, and his thoughts on a 9/11 conspiracy were completely absurd. But that shouldn't affect the way you view his movies. I never take any film as exact fact. They're always exagerrated fact or pure fiction.

You're thoughts on his techniques are purely opinion so I'll leave that as it is. Though, I thought his direction of Natural Born Killers was brilliant.

You're right, the man's politics shouldn't effect the way I view him as a filmmaker, but unfortunately they do. I try to look at it objectively, but I just can't. The same reason I don't particularly like Halle Berry, 'cuz she's a snobby beeyotch who's stuck on herself.

And you're right, Natural Born Killers was a good movie. Perhaps the only movie he's done that I actually liked. I think because the message he was trying to send with his hyper-violence (I think he was trying to demonstrate how violence sells and that's bad, or something) was lost on me. To me it was just some frickin' awesome bloodletting, no irony or subtext at all, even if he intended it that way.

QUINNtheESKIMO
12-29-2003, 01:59 AM
Stone's politics shouldn't affect our views of his films, but the fact is that his politics are in his films, so its his own fault.

EnderDeschain
12-29-2003, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by QUINNtheESKIMO
Stone's politics shouldn't affect our views of his films, but the fact is that his politics are in his films, so its his own fault.

Yeah. I couldn't have said it better myself. As demonstrated by the fact that I didn't.

Neverending
12-29-2003, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by QUINNtheESKIMO
Yeah, I admit, Burton doesn't really belong on here.

Then why did you include him?

Neverending
12-29-2003, 07:53 PM
So you guys are saying that you hate movies like Salvador, Platoon, Wall Street, Born on the Fourth of July, The Doors, and JFK because of the politics?

Oh and I don't think the facts are fuzzy on JFK. Have you guys seen the British documentary on the assassination? They air it on the History Channel every once and a while. Pretty interesting.

droidguy1119
12-29-2003, 08:56 PM
While I haven't seen any of Stone's films (NBK is first on my list because Tarantino was involved), it's unfair to call it his fault that his politics are in his films.

If you can't put your own opinions or messages into a film you directed, what's the point of making it? Then it's just another toy, cranked out for no reason but to keep the industry moving...

konman72
12-30-2003, 05:32 AM
how did he envision the LOTR tril. it was all layed out in the books, the only parts i didnt like were the ones he envisioned. like the ending and the gay gun powder crap at helms deep

JimmyDean
12-30-2003, 05:39 AM
I don't know of Burton is overrated, but I just don't like his films. Ed Wood was pretty good, everything else leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

John Woo and Ridley Scott are pretty overrated.

Aaargh!
12-30-2003, 07:20 AM
I've never even heard of Ron Howard.

iice
12-30-2003, 09:52 AM
havent heard much abt Robert Zemeckis
Tim Burton does weird in an awesome way
i get by Ron Howard though i hated how the grinch stole...
Ridley scott is cool
Steven is cool too but he's the most overated...always has aliens in his movies when he cant find an ending....hated AI but loved Jaws hehehe

Neverending
12-30-2003, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by Aaargh!
I've never even heard of Ron Howard.

You've never seen The Andy Griffith Show, Happy Days, and American Graffiti?

He has directed movies like Night Shift, Splash, Cocoon, Apollo 13, and A Beautiful Mind.