Churches against HP!

[overagain]

Well wut would you do if, ppl started telling you it was bad, would you fight back? wut would you say? what would you do?

Personally i would sit there in Religion reading Harry Potter for the world to see!:rolleyes: :) ;) :D :cool: :applaud: i love those things!

[UnicornBlood3]

Roll my eyes at their ignorance :rolleyes:

[redman]

I wouldnt bother. They can go **** themselves for all i care.

[pirategirl]

people at my church actually think I'm going to hell for reading Harry Potter. whatever. they know I read it, I explain why I like it and don't think it's evil. and to be honest, it's their loss. the books are bloody brilliant!

[rzrbks]

(with a Southern accent, because I grew up Southern)

uuhhmm, pirategirl, you're going Straight TO HEll for reading them books after yore preacher done told you not to.

Don't you know that God called yore Preacher up, personal like, and told yore Preacher that He, God, condemned them books cause they is against what yore Preacher believes.

HAHaaHAAhhaaa

(back to normal voice)
Can't those idiots see the morality within the Harry Potter books is good, righteous and just. Oh, well, even Hitler got his start banning and burning books.:rolleyes:

[Stands Alone]

I don't go to church, so ha! They can do nothing to me.

[UnicornBlood3]

I dont go to church either..

oh and rzrbks
There is no need for makin fun of the southern people! ;)

[pirategirl]

Originally posted by rzrbks
(with a Southern accent, because I grew up Southern)

uuhhmm, pirategirl, you're going Straight TO HEll for reading them books after yore preacher done told you not to.

Don't you know that God called yore Preacher up, personal like, and told yore Preacher that He, God, condemned them books cause they is against what yore Preacher believes.

HAHaaHAAhhaaa

wow....do you know them? that was uncanny!

LOL I'm j/k, but thanks for the laugh :) without the southern thing, you'd be close!
I'm so glad that most people in this world have common sense....and a sense of humour

[Pointy Shrub]

i would probably tell the churchies to go and f%$k themselves!

[Willowisp]

Originally posted by UnicornBlood3
oh and rzrbks
There is no need for makin fun of the southern people! ;)

Hah... I beg to differ!

There are plenty of reasons:)

:applaud:
:lol:
:applaud:

[m00se]

I like Harry Potter in an unhealthy obsessive way. I hate organized religions that do the whole church thing. So it works out nicely.

What was with the poll? Was that supposed to be completely random?

[rzrbks]

UnicornBlood3

oh and rzrbks
There is no need for makin fun of the southern people!


Let's try this again, shall we

rzrbks (with a Southern accent, because I grew up Southern )

Southern Boy, born and raised

pirategirl


wow....do you know them? that was uncanny!

'Course I know them idiots, I grew up around them--they're the same ones that explained how voting for JFK would ruin this country by making it heathen, that is, Catholic

Same ones that said giving the vote to "iggorent Colored folks" would destroy the country--as a matter of fact, the people who believe those things are still in charge in the South, friends and supporters of Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Bill Frist, Trent Lott--part of the reason I don't live there any more

[Willowisp]

Originally posted by Willowisp
Hah... I beg to differ!

There are plenty of reasons:)

:applaud:
:lol:
:applaud:

See...what did I tell you people.. Plenty of reasons to make fun of them southern peoples:) Heh..I spent a summer in Texas... the south is wacked, yo!

[drjones]

From what you guys have been saying, it doesn't seem like there's any way for Harry Potter and religion to mix. How about this:

I'm Roman Catholic, and I have been active in the Church my whole life (and I've also gone to Catholic Schools my whole life). It was my friends at Church and school who told me about the Harry Potter books, and I'm sure if I asked our Priests what they thought about the books, they'd say something like "It's not evil, but parents should still be careful about letting their children read it (just as parents should with EVERYTHING)."

BTW, the southern thing was clearly a joke, and it doesn't seem like this talk about religion is a joke. Do you guys seriously thing that religious people can't accept the Harry Potter stories for what they are?

[Rocksolidus]

Originally posted by m00se
I like Harry Potter in an unhealthy obsessive way. I hate organized religions that do the whole church thing. So it works out nicely.

What was with the poll? Was that supposed to be completely random?

exactly my feelings, especially about the poll. :p

[eclipsedman]

I can see the connections between Harry Potter and the Catholic churches, and its not a good one. Catholic priests and little kids don't mix well. I can't see how anyone can trust what the Catholic priests say now these days.

[Optimus Magnus]

I am not a Harry Potter fan, most in this forum already know that.

But I did say that I would fight to make sure that he is not branded a product of Satan et al

I don't think the books are remarkable in any way, but if they help my brother learn to read; I'll defend them.

Harry Potter (turd that he is) will not encourage children to practice black arts.

We want our children to turn off the TV and read a book, so why are the Churches speaking out against something that is getting children to read?

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by drjones
From what you guys have been saying, it doesn't seem like there's any way for Harry Potter and religion to mix. How about this:

I'm Roman Catholic, and I have been active in the Church my whole life (and I've also gone to Catholic Schools my whole life). It was my friends at Church and school who told me about the Harry Potter books, and I'm sure if I asked our Priests what they thought about the books, they'd say something like "It's not evil, but parents should still be careful about letting their children read it (just as parents should with EVERYTHING)."

BTW, the southern thing was clearly a joke, and it doesn't seem like this talk about religion is a joke. Do you guys seriously thing that religious people can't accept the Harry Potter stories for what they are?

Grew up in the church, too. I didn't go to the schools, just CCD. But all the priests I knew (all in all, probably about 15 of them) would never have had any problems with the books. They wouldn't have even told parents to be aware of the magic in it. They knew better - it's only fantasy.

One in particular, who was a favorite of everyone, I can picture simply saying, "It's a book...nothing more." (And give a roll of his eyes).

The whole Potter/religion mix - really, the only groups that seem to have a problem with it are the fundamentalist groups. Mainstream churchs (Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, etc) don't seem to have any real issues with it.

Southern Baptists are a different lot. There's a whole spectrum in that church - from extreme fundamentalists to run-of-the-mill types. (Not trying to slam that church, but it seems more apparent than in any other).

[Queen Arwen]

This lacks the option "neither."

[redman]

all this crap about the church hating HP has put in me in the mood to read OOTP again.

[Willowisp]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
I am not a Harry Potter fan, most in this forum already know that.

I don't think the books are remarkable in any way, but if they help my brother learn to read; I'll defend them.



Nothing remarkable?...I would say that the way these books have children and grown-ups alike reading is pretty remarkable...Your statements, although less sofisticaed, remind me of most of the initial reactions from the critics to a little book they call The Lord of the Rings, by a fellow named Tolkien... maybe you've heard of it?...or him?... Didn't do them much good though...as surely you whining about your gripes with the books on this forums is not going to do anyone any good either ;)

[rzrbks]

drjones

BTW, the southern thing was clearly a joke, and it doesn't seem like this talk about religion is a joke. Do you guys seriously thing that religious people can't accept the Harry Potter stories for what they are?


I top you drjones. I grew up Catholic IN THE SOUTH. Nasty, nasty combination. Not the Catholic part, just the South part.

Do you guys seriously thing that religious people can't accept the Harry Potter stories for what they are?

There is a difference between "Religious people" and Southern Baptists--don't believe me? Ask Jimmy Carter, probably the most moral man to be in the White House. Even he quit the Southern Baptists they're so nut-bar. And Jimmy don't give up on anybody.

Willowisp
Plenty of reasons to make fun of them southern peoples Heh..I spent a summer in Texas... the south is wacked, yo!

Willowisp is absolutely correct--except, Texas isn't really the South.

Willowisp, go into the real South and you'll really see wacked--make Texas look like "Normal"--well as normal as something can be and still be from Texas--

actually, Texas is kind of an island, gun-totin', 'backy chewing version of California

[RonStopablefan3]

Well here's what I'd do [Cough] walk away , and roll my eye's and say" weirdo" and keep walking. People really should not be afraid of this stuff , if they were and they were adaults I'd asume they were crazy. But I guess it depends on what happiened to them and things , so I wouldn't really juge them , later.

[drjones]

Originally posted by eclipsedman
I can see the connections between Harry Potter and the Catholic churches, and its not a good one. Catholic priests and little kids don't mix well. I can't see how anyone can trust what the Catholic priests say now these days.

At least some of you read my post, and thank you for that. eclipsedman, however, seems to disregard the fact that Catholic Priests (just like any other human being) are not perfect. Some of them are downright terrible, but to generalize all Catholic Priests as pediphiles (sp?) is ludicrous. What the hell, why don't we just generalize everyone? All black pop singers must be messed up because Micheal Jackson is, all Arabs are terrorists, all Jews are rich and greedy, all Americans are loud and obnoxious, and all Chinese men sing "Deck the Halls with boughs of horry, Fa ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra."

Why don't you keep your damn mouth shut unless you know what your talking about? Oh, sure, you heard about the Chicago priests in the news, so you must be an expert. Unfortunatly, newspapers don't think it's important to talk about the priests who give up everything they once owned so that they could better help the poor. Do me a small favor, eclipsedman, go to the nearest Catholic Church to your home, and ask the priest what he thinks about those pediphiles in Chicago. Let me know when you find a priest who says that it is okay to do that.

Same holds true for protestants. Lucky for them, they don't recieve as much criticism as Catholics. Anyway, tommorrow is Christmas Eve, and I have better things to do than discuss Priests with someone who knows nothing about it.

P.S. I've heard that a lot of people are weirded out by Catholisim because of common misconceptions. If you are interested in any of this, or intend to reply to this post, first check this website out. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cathedral/6070/common.html

[overagain]

i was raised roman catholic, still am by the way (is there any way to get out of it?) and am not afraid of priests, just cautious not to spend much time around them alone. We have other pdephiles around here thanks, like my grade 4 teacher, and school soccer coach. No one should generalize anything, expect nothing and you will not be suprised or disaapionted. I know thats a little off topic, but i hate being on topic...

and about the poll, i like posted unraleted ones

[eclipsedman]

Hey DrJones I never made reference to the priests in Chicago, the fact is there were many accusations made in many states against many priests, in fact there were too many to mention. You make alot of statements about me, when in fact you know nothing about me, I have Catholic family and know all the differences between the religions. Heres one question for someone so enlightened, why was there books taken out the original bible that related to witchcraft (this was done by a group of presiding catholics).

[Rogue]

I think the people that are so against Harry Potter and find it evil, corrupt, whatever, are the kinds of people that have to have something to gripe about. If it wasn't HP it'd be something else.

[redman]

Originally posted by Rogue
I think the people that are so against Harry Potter and find it evil, corrupt, whatever, are the kinds of people that have to have something to gripe about. If it wasn't HP it'd be something else.

exactly. *****, *****, *****.

[drjones]

Originally posted by eclipsedman
Hey DrJones I never made reference to the priests in Chicago, the fact is there were many accusations made in many states against many priests, in fact there were too many to mention. You make alot of statements about me, when in fact you know nothing about me, I have Catholic family and know all the differences between the religions. Heres one question for someone so enlightened, why was there books taken out the original bible that related to witchcraft (this was done by a group of presiding catholics).

I know you didn't say anything about the priests in Chicago, but your comment about priests and children certainly seemed to be referring to the pedephile cases. Those in Chicago are simply the best known cases right now, that's why I mentioned it.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I sounded rude, but the point that I was trying to make was that you shouldn't criticize an entire group based on the actions of a small percent of that group. Don't try to tell me about how there are tons of pedephile priests, because I know that there are so many more who are not pedephiles. By the way, I never said I was "so enlightened," I just assumed (incorrectly) that your knowledge of Catholic priests only extended to what had been printed in the newspapers in recent times. If anyone is claiming to be so enlightened, it's you.

Originally posted by eclipsedman
I have Catholic family and know all the differences between the religions.

[eclipsedman]

This whole topic reminds me of how many priests and pastors come to their conclusions on HP. They don't actually read the books and make claims about them before they have any idea about them. Anyway I am no way enlightened as I am not a Buhdist (sp?), I was just in a bad mood last night, and felt a little sarcastic as always. If you do have an answer to that wuestion I would appreciate it, as no one has been able to answer it yet (Catholic, Christian or otherwise). Happy Holidays guys.

[Izzy]

An article justifying that HP is in fact, not evil:

I did of course ask her exactly what she considered EVIL about Harry Potter. She them proceeds to tell me that their minister said this or that. She of course hadn't read the books and formed an OPINION on her own. I am pretty certain that HER MINISTER hadn't read them EITHER!! I also had to ask if the magic in the bible is evil, you know the parting of the Red Sea, the burning bush, the creation of man, Lazarus. "That's different" she says.

REALLY????? It seems to me the concept is pretty much the same.....good triumphing over evil........the battle a constant one.....and if you have the advantage of wizardry (or a higher power) on the side of good.........you use it.

[drjones]

That's an interesting article, but most people say the exact opposite. I'd say (in response to the magic and miracles such as parting the sea) "yes, it is different. The Bible is true (let's just assume this for the arguement's sake) and Harry Potter isn't. Such fictional magic cannot be considered any more moral or immorral than chemistry." All the same, interesting article.