*Official* The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King response thread!

[JBond]

(Yes I know that ;))

Originally posted by sniktawt
What is the point of clapping at a movie screen ??????:confused:

Sorry I just Don't get it.

I dunno, why see movies at all? Why smile for them, cry for them?....some people like to experience movies on all the levels they can.

[sniktawt]

But clapping at something that clearly can not enjoy the ovation is pointless.

But If they're having fun what's the harm I guess.
It's not for me though.

[JBond]

Yeah it wasn't really for me either. I'd say the ovation is just for the other fans.

[Smeagol26]

next month rotk will land in Italy, too.
I'm too excited reading your opinions and the idea to wait other 36 days is awful.

however, please tell me one thing. For those who went to "Trilogy tuesday": what do you think about watching 9 hours of movie?
Is that tiring? I will surely resist, but I wonder if watching rotk for the first time after such a long time in front of a screen causes problems of... attention.

I'm glad to see the most of you did enjoy the movie. IMO, I'm quite sure this will be the best movie ever made.

[Rabbit]

Originally posted by sniktawt
But clapping at something that clearly can not enjoy the ovation is pointless.

But If they're having fun what's the harm I guess.
It's not for me though.
i agree. Clapping isnt my thing

[Ghostofzion2003]

greatest movie ever!!!!!! OMG words cannot describe this movies awsomeness...

[MissLadyVenus]

Originally posted by downflow311
let me start off by saying i loved ROTK. but i now understand why Morirarity from AICN stated it as the most problematic. PJ relied on the EE too much with this one IMO, alot of plot holes. and also the PJ's patented cross-cutting is worse IMO then in TTT. he cut right in the middle of Eowyn/Wiki for goodness sakes! ROTK has the best eye candy out of any movie i've ever seen. but with all the near-deaths there were in these movies, i was never in suspense. alot of it fell emotionally flat for me and my sister, who had never read the books. she left the movie saying that she was never in suspense in Shelob's Lair or Mt Doom, she just knew Frodo would always make it. (too many near-deaths)

I am writing this review early, and i feel i need to see the movie again tomorrow night for it all to sink in. i was at trilogy tuesday (we got a free shirt, badge, and framed film-strips BTW) and i was kinda tired of being in the theater. while i had alot of gripes with the movie, i had just as many wow moments. the Wiki was great but there wasnt nearly enough of him in the movie. 5 mins total screen time at tops.

Return of the King is the movie thats going to benefit most from the EE by far. and after seeing it, i now firmly stand by what i've always thought, ROTK was not enough to get LOTR a best picture oscar. PJ for BD is a possibility though.

THANK YOU For summing it up for me! I thought the SAME EXACT THING!!

I thought it was quite a "weak" follow up to Two Towers. I was expecting alot more. I felt the film was "choppy" and very boring especially towards the beginning. It wasn't like Two Towers where it was non-stop and the story captivated you. Here I felt this film was very "disconnected" from the rest of the series.

I personally thought the Smeagle intro was very bizarre and a very bad opening.

I also missed Christopher Lee's "Sauramon". I thought them sweeping him away under Treebeard's supervision was a terrible way to go. Sauramon was a VERY symbolic baddie in two films. You just can't sweep him up like that. Bad choicing. I would have like to seen Wormtongue or Gandalf murder him like originally planned.

The Oliphants were amazing and that battle was well done but it still wasn't what I expected.

I was also disappointed that Gandalf and Sauron's King Pin Raith didn't go head to head as we were teased on in the film. I think there was no pay off on that. Even Sauron not taking form was a disappointment.

I did LOVE the Faramir story. It was tragic and very sad. I felt so sorry for Faramir and loved the turn out on his story.

There were plenty of plot holes in the whole film. I'm not sure I would be thrilled enough to want to see it again but I probably will just to make sure I'm not being too hard on the film.

Cheers,
gina

[eclipsedman]

What a trippy film, just got back from the midnight showing. Words cant decribe it, see it on shrooms if you can!

[Ghostofzion2003]

sorry but no i have a life to look forward to.

[MissLadyVenus]

McKellan and especially Astin should get awards for this film. They are the backbone of this installment. Wood delivers the goods as well, I could see him getting some recognition as well.

I think Viggo, Tyler, and Otto were by far the weakest actors in the film.

Jackson shouldn't WIN for this film but should get an award for the Trilogy. He was CHEATED from Two Towers (especially)and Fellowship which were superior than this one.

I see the actor playing Faramir being the "breakout" actor. He's quite handsome and does a brilliant job with this character. I fell in love with him.

Cheers,
gina

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Stytch
lotr 3 awaits in less than a few hours

No...
It is NOT called LOTR 3
It is called LOTR ROTK

[tiff_t_t]

Got home about an hour ago... been trying to put my thoughts together (the four beers have helped!!)... it's 5:00am. The movie ended an hour and a half ago, and I'm still crying.... more because it's OVER than because of the movie itself. You know what I mean?

The movie rocks. ROCKS. There's a lot of sucky moments (due almost entirely, I'm sure, to the EE cut of the film... it's mostly crimes of OMISSION) and some wicked cheesy dialogue (i.e. every single thing my beloved Legolas says), but the good FAR outweighs the bad and I love, love, love, love, love ROTK.

Sam? Amazing. Best performance I could ever have wished for. I really hope Sean gets an Oscar nom. He deserves it x 10. Frodo? Sheeeeit, poor blimey bastard has been through way too much... and we feel that. Aragorn needs a lot more screen time... as does Eowyn and Faramir and, well, just about everyone else! Merry and Pippin do get quite a lot of due screen time, though, thank ya jesus. The opening with them at Isengard was purely precious. Gollum? Per.Fect. Mag.Nif.I.Cent.

I never wanted it to end. More endings!! Bring it on. I am really excited to see it again tomorrow, I have so many things I need to re-experience. It went far too fast! Which is saying a lot! But I think ROTK is going to be more like TTT for me than FOTR. FOTR was instant jaw-dropping, sign over the deed to my house Love at first sight. TTT took a few viewings to meet my expectations. I think ROTK will take a few viewing just to fully comprehend, and then, finally, will fall into line as the end of the best trilogy ever put on film.

Rating?? How can you rate brillance? How do you put a price on perfection? I'll give it a shot-- A+, 5 of 5, 10 out of 10, Two Thumbs Up, A Must-See.

[adt100]

Ooooohhh, this is so frustrating!!!

I've got absolutely loaaaads of work to get done today, and really shouldn't be spending so much times on all these LOTR forums, but it's just too hard to resist! (good job I'm on UK time so the place is at least a bit quieter at the moment :) )

Anyway, brief comments for now - i) it lived up to my expectations and was better than FOTR and TTT ii) it was the shortest 3hr 20 film I can recall! (the EE will really add loads for book fans) iii) in comparison to FOTR and TTT I think I spoiled myself a bit more than I would have liked (having seen hardly any pics/video pre-FOTR/TTT, yet seeing almost every pic/video for ROTK! :o

[Coming Soon!]

Originally posted by brucebikkel
I just saw the movie.......

and It really suck, its to long, 2 much action, Its just a crappy and cheap movie. Iam glad its over...

damn, :(

All this time i thought this would be the movie of the year..

I hope it will fail at the boxoffice

This movie is pure ^(%*(^*((^(^crap!!!!!:evil:

Did we see the same movie? Sheesh.

[Snaga]

I loved RotK so much . . even more than I loved TTT or FotR. ( FotR is second best ). I can't wait to see it again tonight :)

[whatdidyousay]

most of the things you are pointing out don't even follow the book.

have you read the books? Gandalf never fights the Witchking, in fact, he never hinted at fighting him, he said "no man can defeat him" and no man did, just like it was in the book

[JAE]

Just saw ROTK this morning....well 12:01 EST, got home at 4:00 am and up at 6:45 am and it was damn well worth it!! If he doesn't get an Oscar for best director I'll freak. Amazing film in every sense.....only one or two scenes that felt a little funny. But overall, one of the best films I've ever seen.

[Smeagol]

I've just got back...and I am blown away. I will post more of a review later in the day, but for now I am just revelling in the glory.

A couple of points: Shelob and the Army of the Dead weren't anything special. Gimili's classic one-liner had the audience in stitches. The endings worked much, much better than I thought they would do. The Black Gate Opens scene has so much cut out of it that it virtually becomes redundant. The final epic scenes with Frodo, Sam and Gollum in Mount Doom exceeded my expectations beyond belief. I guess I was just blown away by the lava-coloured digital grading.

Denethor's portrayal as a bitter old man was alright, but Gandalf hitting him whilst he laid on the ground unconcious was a bit stupid. The lighting of the beacons was amazing, especially with Howard Shore's bombastic score. The Witch King was scary enough for me, especially when 'he' came out of Minas Morgul with his army- that was one of the film's highlights for me.

As for the multiple endings, well I overreacted. I simply don't mind them, and anyone who likes a good story shouldn't mind them, either. I agree that the Sam and Rosie marriage (about 15 seconds of footage) could have been left over until the DVD. Wasn't the architecture at the Grey Havens stunning? However, the film does seem to start quite slowly and I could detect the audience wondering when the action would begin.

ROTK is up there with FOTR, no doubt about it. The final scenes of the quest when Frodo and Sam are lying there as the lava runs past below them is really heart-wrenching. Although I thought there wasn't enough Frodo and Sam in this movie. Pippin probably has more screentime than anyone, save Gandalf. Acting wise, I think the cast did a remarkable job, even Elijah Wood whom I have never really admired until this film. He still has a few roll eyes moments, but in general he gives the emotions that we want to see from him.

I did shed a few tears towards the end of the film, although I doubt too many other people will get emotional in the first 2 hours. It really is all about the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. Boy, do those Oliphaunts look good! Oh and the Nazgul screams were really amazing.

I supoose the question now should be: just why was TTT so poor?

[adt100]

Originally posted by downflow311
let me start off by saying i loved ROTK. but i now understand why Morirarity from AICN stated it as the most problematic. PJ relied on the EE too much with this one IMO, alot of plot holes. and also the PJ's patented cross-cutting is worse IMO then in TTT. he cut right in the middle of Eowyn/Wiki for goodness sakes! ROTK has the best eye candy out of any movie i've ever seen. but with all the near-deaths there were in these movies, i was never in suspense. alot of it fell emotionally flat for me and my sister, who had never read the books. she left the movie saying that she was never in suspense in Shelob's Lair or Mt Doom, she just knew Frodo would always make it. (too many near-deaths)

I am writing this review early, and i feel i need to see the movie again tomorrow night for it all to sink in. i was at trilogy tuesday (we got a free shirt, badge, and framed film-strips BTW) and i was kinda tired of being in the theater. while i had alot of gripes with the movie, i had just as many wow moments. the Wiki was great but there wasnt nearly enough of him in the movie. 5 mins total screen time at tops.

Return of the King is the movie thats going to benefit most from the EE by far. and after seeing it, i now firmly stand by what i've always thought, ROTK was not enough to get LOTR a best picture oscar. PJ for BD is a possibility though.

I can understand where you're coming from to a degree, but I really think that the 'problem' (if there is one) is that i) you're/we're looking at this from, a book perspective, or at least, with the scenes from the book in mind, ii) there's has been so much hype and extraordinarily positive reviews, that no film, no matter how great, could ever live up to or exceed the expectations.

Just looking at some of the comments you make.

... alot of plot holes. and also the PJ's patented cross-cutting is worse IMO then in TTT. he cut right in the middle of Eowyn/Wiki for goodness sakes!

I cannot agree with the overall point, as the editing was to me far better than TTT, however, I do agree that both the Eowyn/Wiki and Grond scenes were needlessly cut to focus on other scenes. This could be a classic example of seeing a truncated scene from the EE.

ROTK has the best eye candy out of any movie i've ever seen. but with all the near-deaths there were in these movies, i was never in suspense. alot of it fell emotionally flat for me and my sister, who had never read the books. she left the movie saying that she was never in suspense in Shelob's Lair or Mt Doom, she just knew Frodo would always make it. (too many near-deaths)

I would argue that there wasn't the suppense because you knew just what would happen from the book. One of the problems I have always had with Tolkien is that he himself included many 'fake' deaths. PJ was really just following the script in this respect, and the only really addition he made was Aragorn's fall in TTT. For ROTK Theatrical Cut PJ actually cut both Eowyn and Pippin's 'fake' deaths, so no complaints on this issue from me. (Frodo's final cliffhanger was forgiveable given it being the final real scene in which he could die).


I am writing this review early, and i feel i need to see the movie again tomorrow night for it all to sink in. i was at trilogy tuesday (we got a free shirt, badge, and framed film-strips BTW) and i was kinda tired of being in the theater. while i had alot of gripes with the movie, i had just as many wow moments. the Wiki was great but there wasnt nearly enough of him in the movie. 5 mins total screen time at tops.

I agree entirely on both points. We didn't have 'Trilogy Tuesday' in the UK, but I saw a back to back double bill on Tuesday night at the local cinema, and TBO, I think seeing ROTK immediately after the first films for the first time would really have been just too much.

Return of the King is the movie thats going to benefit most from the EE by far. and after seeing it, i now firmly stand by what i've always thought, ROTK was not enough to get LOTR a best picture oscar. PJ for BD is a possibility though.

I disagree with regard the Oscar comment. There would be no justice if PJ didn't pick up the Award for Best Director (as much as anything for the collective work of bringing LOTR to the screen), and I think it is definitely good enough for Best Picture. Have you seen the main contenders for BP yet?



I must admit, as you'll see in my 'Top 10' thread, I found it easier to nitpik negative aspects of the film, but the vast majority are not really problems with the film per se, but with our knowledge and love of the book, the text of which is forever in our minds when we see (or don't see) scenes on screen.

I only read the whole of LOTR over Xmas/New Year 2003, and also saw very little pictures, video, story information regarding either FOTR or TTT. As a result I was completely blown away. I had no expectations you see, or knowledge of what 'should be' with regards the book.

With ROTK this has been completely different, and though I believe ROTK better than FOTR and TTT and analitically speaking it is every bit as faithful to Tolkien as FOTR was, my experience was somewhat different this time around compared to the first 2 films.

I will see the film numerous times, the first repeat showing again tonight, and I think that I will be able to enjoy it even more, as a film. Yes, we (members of these internet LOTR message boards) knew many of the changes/cuts before entering the cinema, and were thus prepared for them. Such things are still neverthless somewhat apparent when you first see the film.

The fact is that, IMO, the film was absolutely packed as it was, and felt shorter than even FOTR and TTT (as I have read other comments mention), and could have accomodated many more scenes that as LOTR fans we would have welcomed. It is though 3hrs 20minutes, and realistically cannot be much longer in theatrical release for a general audience. It is also not a film that (as some purists had feared) had an over-long BOTPF at the expense of the story. I don't think you cut really have cut that much of the battle in order to accomodate these extra scenes. Indeed, there were times I felt the battle itself a bit short in what it had to achieve!

I certainly agree that the EE will be spectacular, and perhaps add more even than the TTT EE.

The more I think about it, the more I think Moriarty's review was spot on. As he commented though it's hard not to make such 'problems' with the film seem like negative comments. This film is without doubt 1 of the best in many years. It is an amazing cinematic achievement that passes both FOTR and TTT IMHO, and the opinions of the vast majority of reviewers.

This cannot and should not be understated. The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King will go down in history as cementing LOTR's place as the greatest movie trilogy of all time. Of ALL time.:)

[Rogue]

I'm not one to mess with spoiler tags so I'll just say- Wow, I was a amazed. I haven't had a movie evoke that much emotion out of me in a long time. After seeing it, I'll gladly jump on the bandwagon by saying it goes on the list of the best movies I've ever seen. The only thing I have to say is.. :heart: Sam :heart:

[adt100]

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Jackson shouldn't WIN for this film but should get an award for the Trilogy. He was CHEATED from Two Towers (especially)and Fellowship which were superior than this one.


But compared to FOTR, TTT had infinitely more 'problems' (with regards plot holes and other such issues) and much weaker editing. Given the opposition in 2002 I don't think PJ deserved the award for TTT.

[flukeman]

For people who were asking about Trilogy Tuesday - it was awesome. The first 2 movies were such a good way to get the audience going (and we had a lot of clappers through all 3 films, it was great). I haven't FOTR in a while and I missed it so much - it definitely felt like going home again. It's still my fave out of the three. The people were all great too - very courteous and friendly, and we got framed film cells as giveaways. It was a very long day, but you didn't notice the time going by until you looked at your watch during the breaks.

The only thing I can describe myself as feeling this morning is emotionally drained. Seeing all 3 at once, and especially the excitement of ROTK, the adrenaline really gets going and now that it's over I feel like I want to go to bed for a whole day.

I think the film is a fitting end to the trilogy. I have a lot of the same problems with it that downflow had, though. In a lot of places I was left feeling like there should have been more - I don't know of what, more exposition, more feeling, more screentime for lead characters instead of endless battle shots. The things that really stood out were: Pippin's storyline (I love that hobbit!), Frodo/Sam/Gollum, Gandalf taking charge of MT, Faramir, and the farewells.

I left the theater sort of in a daze at 1:30 am, feeling that it really didn't live up to its hype and expectations, but now that I think about it this morning (my favorite parts anyway) I'm starting to like it more and more. I think the problem is that I'm not really attached to it yet - I'll be seeing it again this weekend and enough time will have elapsed by then that I can get the full impact once more.

All in all, a great day.

[whatdidyousay]

ADT100 makes a good point and I find myself guilty of that. I expected more than what I could have been given. I also read the books after TTT, and it is wholey different if you know what will happen.

I have said this movie was great and after thinking about it more, it is fantastic

[LegolasIsntSexy]

Trilogy Tuesday was awesome! I've never clapped so much at the movies. The only time I was bored at all was in the beginning of the FOTR EE, when they hadn't even left the Shire yet, I was just waiting the ROTK so much. But TTT EE sure does kickass on the big screen, especially the ending with an audience (non-stop laughter at the end of that one). And finally the end, Return of the King. My god, greatest movie ever. For me the LOTR movies got better as they came out. I was holding back tears for the last hour of the movie. Biggest crowd response = Eowyn's confrontation with Witch King What were others biggest crowd response?

[whatdidyousay]

Eowyn's battle
"For Frodo" by Aragorn
Gimli's lines
Legolas's fight
Ghost Army was awesome coming off that ship
POTD
Stairs at Cirith Ungol
The Ride of the Rohirrim was amazing, people were cheering for that one
Aragorn's comment to the hobbits at the top of Minis Tirith (coronation), I welt up and I think everyone else did as well
The marching of the Witchking Army
Sam's beating up of Smeagol
and I could go on and on

[FVD]

Phenomenal film!!
Absolutely stupendous effort from PJ and crew.

Words cannot express what a crowning achievement this movie certainly is. It IS indeed the best of the three. Sure there was no Mouth Of Sauron/Houses Of The Healing/Saruman & Wormtongue/Scouring etc but I wasn't complaining.

Bring on the EE...

Now it's time for bed. It's almost 5am.

FVD.

P.S. Legolas Isn't Sexy - Dream Theater rules!!!

[adt100]

One thing I don't think I've mentioned - what happened to Frodo's lines "I have made my choice, I will not do this deed"

(I forget the exact lines, but we know that they filmed him saying something like this, similar to the book.)

[Tony_samo]

oh MAN it was INCREDIBLE!!!! AWESOME!!!! a MASTERPICE!!!!!

[Lacloake]

So you enjoyed it then? Damn, I have to wait 'til Sunday to see it! Gotta say, I haven't looked as forward to a film as much since Police Academy 4: Citizens on Patrol (1987)!!! Come On The Weekend!

[RyansRing]

Originally posted by FVD
Phenomenal film!!
Absolutely stupendous effort from PJ and crew.

Words cannot express what a crowning achievement this movie certainly is. It IS indeed the best of the three. Sure there was no Mouth Of Sauron/Houses Of The Healing/Saruman & Wormtongue/Scouring etc but I wasn't complaining.

Bring on the EE...

Now it's time for bed. It's almost 5am.

FVD.

P.S. Legolas Isn't Sexy - Dream Theater rules!!!

Everything he said and more....
I loved how they did the credits it was so gorgeous.
The best in the series, quite possibly the greatest film of all time...

[flukeman]

This has been said before, but I just have to repeat it - Sean Astin is incredible in this film. The emotions he displayed when attacking GOllum, turned away by Frodo, fighting Shelob, getting Frodo up the last part of the mountain, etc etc. Just amazing. One of the biggest cheering point in the audience was definitely Sam picking up Frodo and carrying him up Mt. Doom. An incredible job!

[Smeagol]

Originally posted by RyansRing
Everything he said and more....
I loved how they did the credits it was so gorgeous.
The best in the series, quite possibly the greatest film of all time...

Oh yes, ROTK is definitely the best of the three. There was applause at my cinema at the end of the film and I think that is almost unheard-of for a normally reserved UK audience. A lot of reviewers complain about the elongated ending, but those 15 minutes or so were one of my favourite segments of the film. I believe it ended perfectly. I guess the EE DVD will add some more bits in at the end, although for a cinema audience I think PJ and his editing team got the length just about right (I had actually began to believe the critics when they said that it was simply too long).

Just one minor complaint about the ending, actually: the part where Frodo wakes up and the rest of the Fellowship come through the door; just a little bit Wizard of Oz-esque for my liking, although I WILL turn a blind eye. :applaud:

[adnamasevoltam]

i saw it last night......and i dont think words can even truly describe my feelings of the film. best of the trilogy? definitely. of the year? assuradely. best of all time? well...its somewhere in my top 5 :) do i have a few qualms? yes, but they mostly deal w/differences from the book. and lets face it...the movies arent the books - nor should they be. judging it w/ignoring the fact ive read the books, the only thing that gave me a tinge of unsettlement is the same as Smeagol said w/the fellowship coming in when frodo woke up. for all other intents and purposes, however, it was one of the happiest and saddest movie-going experiences i think ill ever experience in my life.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by Fanible
Well yeah, of course. Like I said, i have these problems with the film, but I still enjoyed it. It's a great film.

I guess my problem is is that it didn't really hit me like the other two did. Maybe too many expecations. thats exactly how i felt. FOTR is the best in the trilogy IMO. PJ just relied on the EE too much with ROTK, creating gaping plot holes. ROTK wasnt enough to win a best picture IMO, too many problems in it.

[adt100]

Out of interest downflow, could you list what in your opinion, what were the 'gaping plot holes'? I saw the a few, but not as much as you imply, and certainly less than TTT.

[downflow311]

-"what about the wizard? i'll take care of him"

-i thought you cant kill the nazgul, but all of a sudden Eowyn can when Aragorn couldnt?

-Aragorn becoming king happened off screen. (EE perhaps)

those are my main ones. the EE will fix them though.

i also didnt like how after Grond broke the gate, we see the enemy coming into the courtyard and fighting for a total of 30 seconds?!?!?

everything just felt compacted together. again, i have only seen this once and i really need to see it again to sink it in.

[PsYkOoOoO]

hey think on the bright side..it was wayy better than the books...the battle scenes..

[Mr. Frodo]

Originally posted by downflow311
-"what about the wizard? i'll take care of him"

-i thought you cant kill the nazgul, but all of a sudden Eowyn can when Aragorn couldnt?



I agree with the first one, they should have just left that line out or leave in the gandalf vs. witchking

Gandalf said " No living MAN could kill him." there ya go plot hole filled.

One gripe i did have is how does sam suddenly have the ring in his pocket i would like to see sam struggle to decide to take it instead of just showin up with it. hopefully its in the DVD.

[downflow311]

no living MAN could kill him. i undertand that but why is it that a woman can but a man cant? doesnt make sense to me. both woman and man carried the same exact weapon.

and i didnt dislike the film you guys. i loved it! im just stating the reasons why i think its the most problematic of the 3. (at least for the TC)

[MissLadyVenus]

Originally posted by downflow311
-"what about the wizard? i'll take care of him"

-i thought you cant kill the nazgul, but all of a sudden Eowyn can when Aragorn couldnt?

-Aragorn becoming king happened off screen. (EE perhaps)

those are my main ones. the EE will fix them though.

i also didnt like how after Grond broke the gate, we see the enemy coming into the courtyard and fighting for a total of 30 seconds?!?!?

everything just felt compacted together. again, i have only seen this once and i really need to see it again to sink it in.

Thank you DOWNFLOW for wrapping that up on several things that I discovered too.

I think Sauromon/Wormtongue should have been shown as well.

I thought the comments made by the Witchking "Crushing the White Wizard" should have been left out if they had no intention on touching on it at all. I kept anticipating it through the whole battle. What a let down.

The only things that kept my attention was:

Shelob
Oliphant/Gondorian Battle
Gandalf saving the Gondorian's from the Ring Wraiths
Faramir's Story

Two Towers kept my attention all the way through. I never sighed or thoughts drifted in that film.

Cheers,
gina

[Wraith]

ROTK was the greatest movie I have ever seen, it was so great, Minas Tirith was sensational. The whole movie was just great.

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Originally posted by downflow311
no living MAN could kill him. i undertand that but why is it that a woman can but a man cant? doesnt make sense to me. both woman and man carried the same exact weapon.

and i didnt dislike the film you guys. i loved it! im just stating the reasons why i think its the most problematic of the 3. (at least for the TC)

I think it was that he was "blessed" sort of thing, that no living MAN can slay him, and so women were forgotten being that it was never thought he would confront a woman in battle.. boy was he wrong.. and he payed for that at the hands of Eowyn

[Mr. Frodo]

i know you didn't hate the movie and even if you did your entitled to your opinion. I for one had no big problems with the omissions because we will see most of them on the EE. I'm just damn happy ive lived through the greatest movie trilogy of our time. In my opinion the 3 hours and 20 mins flew by like a snap. everyone in my row was litteraly sitting on the edge of their seats when the action started. I need to see it again!

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

The only thing I found odd was how Faramir was dragged back to Minas Tirith by his horse which wasnt running.. just walking slowly, and the enemies were but a few metres behind.. couldnt an Orc have just pulled out an arrow and shot the horse?

[MissLadyVenus]

I think it was sent to the gates to send a "signal"to the Gondorians.

I personally think DAVID WENHAM (Faramir) was a the breakout actor for the film. I think every woman in the audience was drooling over him and I personally found him the sexiest Man of the Trilogy.

[Gandollum]

Ill be watching the movie in two hrs, cant wait.

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

I was really glad the speech by Theoden in my signature remained in the film...

[flukeman]

As far as Faramir’s return, I took it as the horse knew he was injured and wasn’t galloping back madly, he was instead carefully bring Faramir home.

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

I know that, Im saying why couldnt an Orc just have simply shot the horse down with an arrow when they were but a few metres behind.

[MissLadyVenus]

I think I'm going to watch that movie again today to absorb the subtext of the film. There wasn't much but there was some emblematic stuff going on.

Cheers,
gina

[LOTRNUT04]

God, only 8 more hours. I saw that my paper gave it an A+. My paper never gives A+'s! That is so reassuring. Can't wait.

[Coming Soon!]

Originally posted by Spy-Of-Saruman
I know that, Im saying why couldnt an Orc just have simply shot the horse down with an arrow when they were but a few metres behind.

Why would hundreds of thousands of Orcs care about one guy being dragged behind his horse? (when he looks dead as it is).

[downflow311]

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Thank you DOWNFLOW for wrapping that up on several things that I discovered too.

your welcome;). i cant wait to see the EE of ROTK, it will feel like a whole different film because so much was left out!

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Originally posted by Coming Soon!
Why would hundreds of thousands of Orcs care about one guy being dragged behind his horse? (when he looks dead as it is).

A kill is a kill to them... why did they kill the Gondorians at Osgiliath when their was about thirty? What difference would that make to the odds of Gondor against all the Orcs... more sport for them really..

[Coming Soon!]

Originally posted by Spy-Of-Saruman
A kill is a kill to them... why did they kill the Gondorians at Osgiliath when their was about thirty? What difference would that make to the odds of Gondor against all the Orcs... more sport for them really..

By the way, your signature is too long. Only 3 lines allowed.

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Why? Noone has mentioned anything up to now... and it isn't really THAT long... *Peter Griffin voice* Come onnnnnnnnnnnn :D

[MissLadyVenus]

Originally posted by downflow311
your welcome;). i cant wait to see the EE of ROTK, it will feel like a whole different film because so much was left out!

YOU AND ME BOTH!! ;)

cheers,
gina

[wiginabox]

It was an awsome film, although i didn't really see the point in the last 10 minutes - they should have ended it with Frodo finishing his book. Apart from that it was amazing. I can't wait for the extended edition.

[Kinjo]

Oh man......that might have been the best movie I've ever seen. And on top of that it completely robbed me of my manhood. I wept like a child.

[downflow311]

one more thing.

Gothmog (head orc at pellenor) looked way too much like Sloth from the Goonies. me and my sister both looked at each other and said, "Hey you guys!!!!!" lol

[Marvin Nash]

Lol, was the line to get in the bathroom as bad for the rest of you as it was for me? I, just like everyone else in the theatre, was holding it in since the Shrek trailer. Lol, it was a good 10 minute wait.

[tiff_t_t]

HEEEEEEEEEEEY YOOOOOOOOU GUUUUUUUUUUYS! (me, too downflow!)

the more I read of everyone's thoughts and opinions, the more I think that my problems (quibbles only!) with ROTK have so much to do with my intense attachments to FOTR and TTT... I know them inside and out and so it's just jarring at first to see your characters running about doing (or not doing) the things you would expect. I think I will feel a lot better (more calm) after seeing it again tonight!

[Wraith]

Yeah i have to see this movie again, tommrow night i believe im going again.

[FrankTheBunny]

Oh My God....wthout a doubt, it was the best movie I've ever seen in my life.

Yes, the orc leader looked like Sloth from Goonies, but that's what made it great, because everyone was laughing about it.

Best things about the movie:

1. Samwise Gamgee - Best performance in the movie. He is truly the hero
2. "You Bow to No One" - Best line in the movie. I was crying when Aragorn said that, and everyone bowed.
3. Denethorn - Just as I imagined him, just even more sadistic.
4. Music - Howard Shore did a wonderful job
5. Battle scenes - Pellanor Fields = best battle recorded on film


And there's so many more, but I'm so tired after not getting back until 5am last night.

[Steve125]

Went to the midnight show last night, got the best seats in the theatre. Just as it was starting I started to feel sick, but there was no way I was going anywhere, I had to watch the movie. So, just as Pellenor was starting, I got up, and was sick to my stomach (made it to the washrooms), and by the time I came back Sam was rescuing Frodo from Cirith Ungol. Yeah...that sucked...a lot. :(

[Kinjo]

I was completely overcome by Sam's devotion and bravery. I'm still speechless.

[Kinjo]

Oh and p.s. Homsarr says you "shanked" my jengaship :) not sank

[coal-ash]

Yeah it was a great movie but i also agree that it was the most problomatic as for reasons mentioned before. this movie though it was 312mins felt like the shortest of the three thearetical editions. It felt to compact. The movie should have been another hour and hopefully it will be on the EE. my two main problems with the film is I the time spent i mordor was too short. This should have been longer to make it more climatic and show the real struggle becuase this is what the other two films have been leading up to. also i felt that despite what people say the ending was to short. I wished they showed what happened to legolas, gimli, and eomer. again hope fully these will be touch upon in the ee. Then i think rotk will be better then the first two put together. still it is up there with fotr

[whatdidyousay]

Frank the Bunny, I agree, in fact I keep telling my buddy that he is going to water up when Aragorn says that because it is so moving, and well, he doesn't believe me

[Kinjo]

I was moved to tears by the ride of the Rohirrim....it was just so perfectly executed.

[flukeman]

Originally posted by tiff_t_t
the more I read of everyone's thoughts and opinions, the more I think that my problems (quibbles only!) with ROTK have so much to do with my intense attachments to FOTR and TTT... I know them inside and out and so it's just jarring at first to see your characters running about doing (or not doing) the things you would expect. I think I will feel a lot better (more calm) after seeing it again tonight!

That's exactly how I feel! I figured out my so so feelings - I'm not attached to this movie yet. It was good, but I need to see it several more times and really get it ingrained in my head before it starts to sink in. Which I know it will :)

[tiff_t_t]

Exactly, flukeman! I need to get comfortable with it, really really comfortable, before I can even begin to love ROTK as much as the other two. I mean, FOTR has had years and over 100 viewings to take the place in my heart it holds. Of course ROTK doesn't compare.... YET! :)

[jhuddy]

anyone else think it was intense when that teal beam shot out from the city of the dead?
i was sitting front row so it looked massive looking up at it

i havent read the book yet so i dont know if has a name or not

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

You mean Minas Morgul ;)

[whatdidyousay]

it might be the morgul vale, I can't remember what the beam is called, if anything

I haven't read the books in some time

[tman662000]

Saw the 12:01 showing last night....it was so awesome, damn incredible I must say. I cant place it in the trilogy until I see it acouple more times, but its the best of the year so far. My favorite part of all was the Ride of the Rohirrim. I thought that was so well done, and gave me the most shivers as it happened. Theodens speetch was so good, as was the big battle that ensued. Shelob was freaky, especially when she was creeping up on Frodo after he got out of her cave. That had the audience squirming, I could hear it. HAHA.
I didnt cry, but Im not someone who cries in movies that often. The closest I got is when Denethor said that he wishes Faramir had died instead of Boromir. I felt so bad for Faramir, that would be devestating to hear. I also got a little misty during the hobbits goodbye to eachother at the end.
Another highlight was the bowing part, with Aragorn telling the hobbits not to bow to anyone, and then all of Gondor bows to the hobbits. Such an epic shot, and really shows that the hobbits are the centre of the film. Those 4 hobbits sure did go threw a ride.

I CANT WAIT TO SEE IT AGAIN!!!!

[evenstar]

Just returned after two showings.

I was doing great on the tear frount until Eowyns "Have courage" line, then thats when I started.
No doubt what I say will just be repeated, but fantastic film- I think the fact that I had read the books made it a seem longer because I knew what was coming. Also it was quite choppy at some points. But overall- Better than I could have hoped and expected;
The Arwen scenes I thought were brilliant, Miranda played a fantasic Eowyn, Aragorns final speach and the Ride of Rohan are the two scenes that sent shivers down my spine, but the best shot was Frodo waking up and finding Gandalf- I had in my head the flash back to FOTR when Boromir carries a crying Frodo away from Moria, and there was a smiling Frodo and a crying Gandalf- pathetic maybe but that scene to me was priceless.

However, to the kid out there, that when we reached the cracks of mount doom "Whispered" out the climax to the whole stroy- I dont appologies to any of the bad language that came out of my mouth, Because you are a ******** **** for ruining what was possible the greatest film holf those people will ever see.

Part from that brilliant. Hope you guys enjoyed it too, and to those who have yet to see it- happy watching. :)

[jhuddy]

Originally posted by Spy-Of-Saruman
You mean Minas Morgul ;)

yeah that it what did you think of it?

[MazzaRedd]

Just this minutes in the door from seeing it! Was awesome!!!! It is definetly my favourite movie of the year and was worth the wait. I luved the music to it! Great stuff by Howard Shore. I enjoyed it all the way thru, only dissapointment was no Saruman tho i knew that happened. But apart from that it was a great movie, and of course I had to clap when Hugo Weaving's name came up. I wasn't the only one tho :D

Just a marvelous movie and I will go to see it many time as I can. :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

[downflow311]

Originally posted by coal-ash
Yeah it was a great movie but i also agree that it was the most problomatic as for reasons mentioned before. this movie though it was 312mins felt like the shortest of the three thearetical editions. It felt to compact. The movie should have been another hour and hopefully it will be on the EE. my two main problems with the film is I the time spent i mordor was too short. This should have been longer to make it more climatic and show the real struggle becuase this is what the other two films have been leading up to. also i felt that despite what people say the ending was to short. I wished they showed what happened to legolas, gimli, and eomer. again hope fully these will be touch upon in the ee. Then i think rotk will be better then the first two put together. still it is up there with fotr i completely agree with you here. im going to see it again in 2 hours to let it all sink in. all i have to say is the ROTK EE is going to be freaking awesome!!! all my problems with the TC im sure will be fixed in the EE!!!

[FrankTheBunny]

Even though there may be minor problems with ROTK, and those are MINOR at best, since I found not many problems at all, the EE will be incredible. Regardless, the TC was paced incredibly.

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

I dont know if its just me but during the scene at Minas Morgul I was really tense even though I knew what happened, I was especially tense when Frodo was walking towards the gate (area where the two statues are)

Also, does anyone (Jedi mostly) know if in the EE, Shelobs Lair and Cirith Ungol will be extended? I loved the scenes in the film they seemed way too rushed... and I wanted to see The Choices of Master Samwise and especially more in Cirith Ungol... I find it TOO rushed how Sam just ran in killed some Orcs and seemed to know where to go and just rescued Frodo.. Cirith Ungol was done in about four minutes..

[Kolobrod]

For someone like me who is affraid of heights (hereditary thing for me, my dad is exponentially worse) the stairs of Cirith Ungol were FREAKING SCARY!

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Some of the views were amazing.. especially the ones intercut with Gandalf and Pippin riding through the 7 walls of Minas Tirith and it shows shots of Minas Tirith from above..

The shot where Denethor looks down and see's the thousands up thousands of Orcs on his very doorstep

The shot where we look down upon Minas Tirith and the three Nazgul on the Fell Beasts swoop into view and dive down to join the siege... but they were all beautiful to say the least... have to respect WETA for their miniature work..

[JesterX1313]

I just wanted to say that I loved it. I saw it yesterday during Trilogy Tuesday and by the time ROTK was finally on I was so tired that I didn't enjoy it as much as I should have but still loved it. I can't wait to see it again tomorrow.

[downflow311]

hey did you get film strips and a shirt and neck badge at your trilogy tuesday? or was your gift different then at my showing?

[Smeagol]

Originally posted by Spy-Of-Saruman
.... have to respect WETA for their miniature work..

Definitely. The miniature work in ROTK was the best I have ever seen! :) Minas Tirith looked amazing but I think most people would agree that Minas Morgul really took the biscuit?! :applaud:

[bmp72178]

Amazing film and also amazingly exhausting(in a good way). My emotions went thru the wringer even though I didn't cry. Going from happy to sad to angry to excited! I got a lump in my throat during more than a couple scenes.

My only major gripe is that opening scene of Smeagol and Deagol was worthless and not directed very well. I heard Fran Walsh actually directed that scene and it showed. I can't help but think that was 5 minutes that could have been spent with a Gandalf-Witchking confrontation or Mouth of Sauron. But that's a rather minor quibble as I know I'll see that stuff on the EE.

I definately enjoyed this one the most of the 3 film. The action and special fx were the best I've ever seen. And even Gimli's humor was funny in this one. I think that put ROTK over the top of the other 2.

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Oh god no.. Minas Morgul was amazing yes.. but nothing can top Minas Tirith.. god sake that was freaking immense! Amazing miniature

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Im actually glad Gimli wasnt cracking jokes at every instance in this film.. said quite alot of serious stuff one thing i'm not sure on what he said was when they were approaching the Paths of the Dead and he said something "The very warmth of my blood has been stolen away" one thing particularly funny was when Gandalf was entering the Citadel of Denethor with Pippin and told him this stuff not to say before eventually saying "In fact, don't say anything at all"

[obsessedwithsnl]

I absolutely loved it....i saw the midnight show....and i haven't been able to talked to anyone about yet....Eowyn was frickin awesome...holy crap the WiKi's mace that actually sent shivers down my spine....i was a little dissapointed with shelob it was too rushed i remember in the book sam was like grieving forever...the ending (at the harbor) was absolutely perfect....merry's face when he hugged frodo was so sad (the tears just started rolling there)....
my to major problems with ROTK were when frodo woke up.. it was fine with gandalf and the hobbits....but i just couldn't hold back the laughter when gimli came in i could just picture him jumping on the bed with the hobbits....then legolas came in(he looks so feminine in those elf clothes)....and then at minas tirith when arwen and aragorn kissed...those two parts were so incredibly corny but they are easily forgiven

anyway ROTK was so amazing....i can't wait to see it again

[adt100]

Ok, I just got back from my second viewing of ROTK today, with a friend who (unbelievably) hasn't seen the frist 2 films! Anyway, he absolutely loved it, as did I! I think that being that we are so close to the story it is often hard to come to objective judgements on first viewings, and definitely (IMO) suffers a little from 'first viewing syndrome'.

I still have 4 major problems, most of which should be sorted by the EE -

1. The lack of the VOS - still seemed a little bit of a 'fix-up' but didn't really harm the film, and will work well in the EE.

2. The Gandalf/WiKi confrontation - Slightly problematical given that the Wiki is given quite a strong introduction (more than I expected) and then ... nothing. Should be put right in part by the EE, although as a fan of the scene in the book, it will still be a bug bear with me.

3. No Mouth of Sauron - Still disappointing, but not really affecting the film in itself.

4. The greatly truncated march to the Black Gates/Mount Doom - Again this will be improved by the EE, but it is really the only major point that I think does affect the film negatively in it's own right. Putting aside the book adaptation I think this would still look just too rushed.

A couple of other more minor irritants were reinforced, though these may have little chance of being altered for the EE -

1. Gandalf assaulting Denethor

2. Aragorn's speech at the Black Gate and during his coronation. People have said before that he doesn't have the voice to carry loud, powerful speeches, but it sounded quite good in the trailer. Here though, it just sounds rushed, unpoetic, and a bit, nasal. :o

2. The edit point during the middle of the Eowyn/Wiki confrontation and Grond's attack on the gates.

Still, after getting over the inevitable apprehensions of the first viewing, I am now of the firm mind that it is truly an astonishing piece of film-making. :applaud:

[Radiohead]

great way to end the series. i thought the movie was great, i still liked the battle at the end of the last samurai better but it was pretty neat. i dunno. something about a CG army didn't take my breath away but it was still fun to watch.

movie didn't feel as long as it actually was which is a good thing.
again, great movie, i don't know if it is a shoe-in for best picture at the academys but it will definitely get nominated and then probably end up winning.

i would see it again but not for a few months or so.

trailers were cool: spiderman, chronicles of riddick, butterfly effect, captain something (that new jude law/gwyneth paltrow movie). there were one or two others but i dont remember what they were.

[adt100]

Originally posted by downflow311
-"what about the wizard? i'll take care of him"

Yep, I agree with that.

-i thought you cant kill the nazgul, but all of a sudden Eowyn can when Aragorn couldnt?

I thought they made the 'no living man' thing pretty clear, (or as clear as they could do, it always seemd a bit oddin the book IMO)

-Aragorn becoming king happened off screen. (EE perhaps)

I think you must have had your eyes closed for that bit. ;)

i also didnt like how after Grond broke the gate, we see the enemy coming into the courtyard and fighting for a total of 30 seconds?!?!?

Yes, I agree with that too.

The only other slightly disjointed thing was the sudden re-appearance of Faramir dragged slowly by horse, after quite a bit of Osgiliath set-up. I don't think altogether for such an epic film those plot holes are too bad though.:)

[Gandollum]

So i went to watch the movie, me and my friends got there at 2:00, and you know what all of them were sold out. I mean, what the heck, even with 6 screenings showing and they we're all sold out. Im so pissed, now i have to wait another 15 hrs.

[Kinjo]

Best.....movie.......ever

[Highfire]

i loved this movie. i got out of school early just to see it

[The Elf King]

Man just got back from the cinema and wow what a fantastic movie... though I was getting a bit gloomy when Frodo escaped Shelob the first time they confront each other. I was like omfg! his change one of the major parts in the book!! but then she gets frodo in the end :P I thought sam was so great in the movie and was trying hard to hold back the tears when he had to carry frodo! =]

Fantastic movie and all the actors did so well in this movie and they all should get an award =]

[matrixobsessed0]

Return of the King was the best movie i've seen all year (hands down).....Having been one who hasn't read the books, i got the opportunity to (not watch) but experience the entire trilogy without having any preconceptions...........I was forunate to a attend 1 of the 60 LOTR Extended Trilogy screenings (Loews in Pittsburgh, PA).......It was truly a once in a lifetime experience to view all three movies on the big screen back to back to back.....................I'm glad that Peter Jackson included such an in depth conclusion that gave me closure (unlike the 3rd chapter of another trilogy that was released just 5 weeks ago....You know of what i speak.....ha ha"

LOTR:ROTK will definitely go down as one of my favorite movies of all time.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

I just got back from my second screening.

First off, was I right or was I RIGHT!!!!!!!

During the QnA, someone asked me if Eomer had atleast one cool line in the film, well did you hear it??? During the opening stages of the ride of the rohirrim????

Did you guys see Eomer take down the Mumak???

Final, I think I saw HIM!!!!!!!!

PRINCE IMRAHIL, as you remember when I first saw the film I said he wasn't there, mostly because he WAS NEVER MENTIONED BY NAME. Now the second time, I believe that the guy that says "This what Lord Denethor predicted... Long has he foreseen this doom." Also this "soldier" got Faramir as his horse was dragging him through the gate. Which is a scene that was FILMED with the character of Imrahil. Also, he was wearing a regal cloak.

So I ask you: Do you guys think it was him???

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Hey guys,

I am still having trouble here: Where is PJ's cameo? I am hearing conflicting stories. Is he one of the AOTD or is he in the quick shot of Corsairs that we see during Elronds speech to Aragorn in the camp.

[adt100]

On both occasions I've seen the film, my immediate thought for PJ's cameo was of the large (ie fat) Corsair 'captain' marching along the centre of 1 of the ships. It's only for a brief moment, but it seemed pretty clear to me.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

adt, then that would be the quick scene we see as Elrond is explaining to Aragorn that the black ships are coming up the river and he should intercept them. Correct???

[Stytch]

ok ok I'm slow can someone please tell me what does EE mean???

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

EE= EXTENDED EDITION

[Shanoo]

Arghhh!! I'm so jealous!! I have to wait till boxing day to see ROTK here in Oz :(

Great to hear such a positive reaction so far though :)

[Samwise Gamwich]

Well good free folk!

If you wish to remain Spoiler Free then do not read this post.

I just got home from watching ROTK back to back!

My head is still reeling... My glasses are still stained from the tears I shed (Bring LOTS of napkins to this one!)

First off I want to straigten out all the crap we have been hearing about 3 endings or 6 endings or 12 endings the it just keeps going blah blah blah.......

There are NO 'false endings' in ROTK at all...
There is one spot just after the One Ring is destroyed when Sam and Frodo have barely made it to a jagged rock outcropping with lava rivers from Mt. Doom swirling around them and Frodo and Sam sound as if they have resigned themselves to death there... Fade to black... QUite a pause during the black portion... Then Gandalf appears with 3 eagles to gently pick up the Hobbits and carry them to safety... That might have appeared to perhaps be an 'ending' but this is how PJ did it... It works but it is about the ONLY portion one could possibly misconstrue(sp?) it to be a 'false' ending! The endings we have are PERFECTION!
The most profound scene I felt during this time was extended goodbyes at The Gray Havens. Break out the hankies... There were grown men all around me sniffling....
It end almost exactly like the book... (Although Samwise says 'Well, I'm Back' way before they close the yellow door but it still works!)

Ok... Let me tell you the thinks I really LOVED about this movie (The highlights)

Let me first also explain that most of the footage that has been all over the Internet is mostly from the first hour or so... As PJ gets things set up for us...

1) Smeagol/Deagol (There is a bit of a hint here that PJ took a bit of inspiration from the Bakshi fiasco... We see Deagol get taken for quite a ride from the fish just like the LOTR 1978 animated version did but a heck of a lot more believeable!!)
The transformation into Gollum was wonderfully done!
2) Reunion of part of the Fellowship at the now flooded Isengard... 'Salted Pork... And SMOKING????' Wonderful lines by Gimli... None of his lines are overdone here...
3) Pippin and the Palantir (Curiousity killed the Hobbit I suppose)
Merry and Pippin's seperation began to well up some tears...
4) Pippin and Gandalf and Denethor.... Loved the exchange especially how Gandalf tries to hush Pippin before they enter the Throne room

Sidebar: The cinematography of Minas Tirith here is breathtaking!!! With the White Tree that is dying being at the very pinnacle of the Tower.... Impressive vision here!

5)The Stairs of Cirith Ungol: One of my most FAVORITE parts of the book are here!!! PJ uses the part where Gollum is 'framing' Samwise to interject the 'Sneakin' conversation between Sam and Gollum... 'What are you doin'?? 'SNEAKIN'!!!! The rest is really not according to the book exactly but I feel it was neccesary to enhance the drama further to come at Shelob's Lair... (Sam being framed by Gollum)

6)Pippin lights the beacon! Very nicely done! Good reaction from Bernard Hill at the recieving end of the news...

7)Dunharrow - Elrond brings Anduril to Aragorn... Very stirring for me.......

8)Paths of the Dead - Awesome spectacle! Aragorn played very nicely here....

9) Siege of Minas Tirith - Not at all like BOHD... Different... Maybe more awesome... Especially when all the heads start flying over the walls of Minas Tirith... That part was actually kind of chilling....

10) Shelob's Lair - Not exactly like the book... Frodo is in there alone but you get a real sense of dread and terror... Shelob is awful! Very nasty sick spider! Got stuff growing on her... You can tell she is very old... Gollum finally shows his true colors here... Thank God Frodo will no longer trust him.... One note....
This sequence happens quite a good ways into the film... The Siege of Minas Tirith has already started... And it is nighttime....
Just another little sidebar here.... You can actually see Shelob's sting on Frodo a bit later in the Tower of Cirith Ungol... Over his right chest...

11) The Charge of The Rohirrim - Finally the Battle of Pellenor Fields is fully realized... The Rohirrim charge the northern flank of Mordor's army of Orcs... Really messes them up good... But just then the Mumakil show up tearing EVERYONE up!!! I love how Eomer takes out 2 of the Mumakil with just one arrow!! You have to watch this to believe it! But there are a lot of other slaughters going on... Looks pretty hopeless... Then WIKI pulls his crap on Theoden... And we begin to see Eowyn show her stuff!!! Right during this part is when Aragorn and Gimli and Legolas show up in the Black Ships with the Army of The Dead and Gimli and Legolas begin a NEW battle count! Then cut back to Eowyn/WIKI... Eowyn has already taken the head off WIKI's fell beast... And WIKI is starting to get REAL serious about killing Eowyn (Dernhelm) by using this HUGE mace... Even breaks her shield... injuring her also.... Then WIKI declares 'No man can kill me'... Eowyn takes off her helmet 'I am no man!', Merry sneaks up behind WIKI and stabs him good and Eowyn plunges her sword into WIKI's face... He basically implodes to thunderous applause from the audience...

12)The Black Gate/Mt. Doom This sequence is very much locked together No MOS (but they did take Frodo's mithril shirt at Cirith Ungol and it did not get returned so we can still hope for the EE DVD!!) One BIG improvement... Over the book I mean!!! Yes PJ improved on the book... The entire Mt. Doom sequence.... Frodo and Gollum end up fighting for the Ring before they both go over the edge... I know it is 'Hollywood'... But it really works!! JRRT was a bit boring with only having Gollum dance... Oh BTW... We still get to see Gollum dance!! He sure has his moment when he gets to hold The Precious and Dance and then his fall into the lava is really well done!!! Classic!!

13)Frodo awakens in an 'unknown' location very much as was shown when he woke up in Rivendell after the Arwen rescue in FOTR... First person he sees??? Gandalf!! The look on both Frodo's and Gandalf's face and the joyful laughter they both share for a brief moment IMHO is the absolute BEST SCENE IN ROTK! You will cry for joy watching this one!

14) The Return Of The King - Aragorn is crowned by Gandalf... Now I know a lot of us have enjoyed 'dumping' on the Arwen/Aragorn thing for quite awhile.... But when Arwen and her dad show up at Aragorn's coronation... You will simply become Niagra Falls!!!!! And then there is the scene where EVERYONE bow to the Hobbits!!! I have badly tear stained my glasses at this point...

15)Return to The Shire - I wont describe this much... But it is just not long enough for me...

16)The Grey Havens - PJ sort of 'lingered' here for a bit... And I am so grateful... I get the feeling NO ONE wants to say good bye but we know it has to happen......

17)Well... I'm Back.... (Samwise, Elanor, Rosie and an 'unamed son' in Rosie's arms go back into #3 bagshot row behind the yellow door and it closes)

Ok...
Now for the 'gripes', 'observations'.... etc...
PJ really had to cram a LOT of stuff into this film and it is VERY lean... With the exception of the 'Legolas nails the Oliphaunt' scene... Nothing else was really gratuitously added (Although I really enjoyed watching 'Leggy' take down the Oliphaunt and it's Mumak commander)... Very lean and mean....
Shelob HAD to be in film 3... Just to keep the Tolkien timeline correct... It worked!
Scouring of the Shire - Not there... Didn't even miss it! It would have screwed up a PERFECT movie... PJ did good!!
Things I had a problem with.....
Denethor - They sure show him as someone losing his mind but without adequate 'history' to help the audience (especially the 'un-initiated' fans who have never cracked a Tolkien novel in thier entire life) understand why... Hopefully the 'Palatir' scenes will be in the EE DVD and fix this problem.
Aragorn and Gimli and Legolas and AOTD disembark the 'Black Ships' making the grand entrance to TBOPF.... Just a little earlier in the film... PJ chose to show us the Corsairs as they were sailing towards Gondor on the Black Ships.... So where did the Corsairs go?? Ugh... (That one sort of sticks in my craw a little bit)
There is also one portion where WIKI actually says something to the effect 'I will take care of the Wizard'... So hopefully there will be a Gandalf/WIKI confrontation to finish this little curious line WIKI says...

There is so much more to be said about this Masterpiece but mostly I WOULD JUST SAY THIS: Thank you PJ!!

This film is way over 3 hours long and yet it felt so short! It felt like maybe an hour and a half went by!

If you want to ask more questions... feel free....
I will answer as best I can...

Faithfully Submitted by Samwise Gamwich

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
Hey guys,

I am still having trouble here: Where is PJ's cameo? I am hearing conflicting stories. Is he one of the AOTD or is he in the quick shot of Corsairs that we see during Elronds speech to Aragorn in the camp.

I saw ROTK twice today... Was wondering where PJ's cameo would be but really never actively looked for it... There is so much to see on the screen.... When I go see it tomorrow I will look again for PJ's cameo and if I see it I will report back!

[coal-ash]

My one question thinking about it now is where are the easterlngs. PJ fucused a bit on them in ttt but they never that i saw showed up in either of the battle. Hopefully it will be in the ee

[DolAmroth]

I know there were no Easterlings at all. And it just didnt show enough of the battles it was cut to soon.

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by coal-ash
My one question thinking about it now is where are the easterlngs. PJ fucused a bit on them in ttt but they never that i saw showed up in either of the battle. Hopefully it will be in the ee

I saw no Easterlings at all... Did see a lot of Southrons on thier Mumakil though... And just 5 seconds of Corsairs of Umbar without satisfactory resolution....

[coal-ash]

yeah my thought exactly. i know some purist didn't want it to be bogged down with all sorts of action but i think it could have stood about ten more minutes. have aragorn figth some more. it seemed that he did hardly any thing at pelenor
Thought the scenes were still great

[RonStopablefan3]

This movie was awsome , Pippin , Sam , Marrin all did great jobs their all my favorite. I give the movie two thumbes up , this was truely the best LOTR film ever!!!!Later.

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by coal-ash
yeah my thought exactly. i know some purist didn't want it to be bogged down with all sorts of action but i think it could have stood about ten more minutes. have aragorn figth some more. it seemed that he did hardly any thing at pelenor
Thought the scenes were still great

My biggest problem is that PJ shows the Corsairs on thier Black Ships a little earlier when Elrond tells Aragorn that Sauron has a 'suprise' cookin' but then all of a sudden he is getting off the Black Ships towards the end of TBOPF without any setup as to how he got onto the Black Ships... You really do not need to be a purist when you see the continuity disconnect here.... Simply storytelling that has a bit lacking at one point...

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Spy-Of-Saruman
Oh god no.. Minas Morgul was amazing yes.. but nothing can top Minas Tirith.. god sake that was freaking immense! Amazing miniature

I agree completely!!
LOVE the $$$Money Shot$$ of Gandalf and Pippin on Shadowfax riding up one level after another until they reached the very top.... Terrific cinematography!!!

[coal-ash]

One thing that has been lingering in my mind is, for those of you who have read the books, did you picture the BOTPF to be darker. What i mean is it seems in the book that the sky is very dark like it is night out

[Samwise Gamwich]

The 'digital grading' could have been a tad bit darker and may have been a bit more effective in communicating the 'desperation' of things....
But that is probably getting VERY nitpicky

[coal-ash]

yeah it just the image from reading the book. the hardest challenge is to over come preconceptions

[Samwise Gamwich]

Well I was agreeing... I really should have been even 'darker' than it was...

[eclipsedman]

Just some advice for when you go see the film, take a freakin shower and use some deoderant. I don't know if anyone else had this problem but I had a stinking geek sitting next to me. Otherwise it was an awesome film going experience.

[coal-ash]

yeah maybe it will be better when seen on the dvd with clear quality. so much is lost on the film screen

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by eclipsedman
Just some advice for when you go see the film, take a freakin shower and use some deoderant. I don't know if anyone else had this problem but I had a stinking geek sitting next to me. Otherwise it was an awesome film going experience.

I had a REAL problem with my first screening today... The audio in the theatre totally was crapped.... Got a lot of clicks and beeps and missed channels of sound and it also dragged a little from time to time... I cannot blame this on PJ whatsoever...

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Steve125
Went to the midnight show last night, got the best seats in the theatre. Just as it was starting I started to feel sick, but there was no way I was going anywhere, I had to watch the movie. So, just as Pellenor was starting, I got up, and was sick to my stomach (made it to the washrooms), and by the time I came back Sam was rescuing Frodo from Cirith Ungol. Yeah...that sucked...a lot. :(

You missed a LOT Steve

[Wraith]

one question, where was the mouth of Sauron? and will he be in the EE?

[Lurtz_2000]

it was awsome..
but which part/s did you think looked the fakest?

[Cbars]

Originally posted by Lurtz_2000
it was awsome..
but which part/s did you think looked the fakest?

Deagol being dragged through the water by the fish.

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Wraith
one question, where was the mouth of Sauron? and will he be in the EE?
MOS... Not there
EE??? We'll see won't we.....

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Cbars
Deagol being dragged through the water by the fish.

Actually I kind of liked that part... I think PJ was paying homage to Bakshi's 1978 disaster... Just like he did in film 1 as he introduced Odo Proudfoot (The 'scowling' Hobbit in both films 1 and 3)

[nickodimas]

Okay, so I just saw the movie and have to say that is was freakin AWESOME.

Favorite scenes are when Sam carrys Frodo up Mt. Doom, and when Aragorn says "You bow before no one" to the hobbits, I was in tears.

This is by far my favorite of the 3. I love the Army of the Dead, they were done simply amazing. The acting in this film was spot on.

I do have one complaint and that is that they should have shown when Sam put on the ring. I would love to have seen that. Hopefully will be shown in the EE.

overall I give the movie a 10/10

[Cbars]

Originally posted by Samwise Gamwich
Actually I kind of liked that part... I think PJ was paying homage to Bakshi's 1978 disaster... Just like he did in film 1 as he introduced Odo Proudfoot (The 'scowling' Hobbit in both films 1 and 3)


I didn't mind the idea, it just looked really cartoony and fake.

[Cbars]

Originally posted by nickodimas


This is by far my favorite of the 3. I love the Army of the Dead, they were done simply amazing. The acting in this film was spot on.





I loved the part where they took down the oliphant.

[RingWraith2k4]

BEST TRILOGY...........EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DEFINITELY GONNA SEE IT AGAIN!!!

[Skrybe]

I loved so many parts it's hard to narrow it down, really . . . I'm somewhat of an action junkie with a penchant for heroes, so most of my favorite scenes involved Aragorn, the armies, Eowyn doing her thing, etc. Don't get me wrong, the character wrap-ups were excellent, but seeing an army of 6,000 men riding bravely into an army of - how many was it, Samwise? 10,000? Or was it suppose to be more than that? Well, however many it was, choosing to fight with honor in a battle that you know fully well that you will probably lose (even though they didn't) is what sparks something inside of me. Long live the king.

[Mr. Frodo]

I'll agree it is the best trilogy EVER

OR...

That The Lord of the Rings is the best movie ever!

[Skrybe]

How long do you think it'll take to sit through three EE's? LOL

[DolAmroth]

The EE needs to be about 1.5hrs longer to do justice.

[Cbars]

Originally posted by DolAmroth
The EE needs to be about 1.5hrs longer to do justice.

At least.

[Mr. Frodo]

that would make it almost 5 hours... i doubt PJ will do that i bet it hits the 4 hour mark @ max.

[DolAmroth]

Seens in the trailer but not in the moive

http://homepage.mac.com/elwen/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-08-19%2001.53.44%20-0700/Image-E2E3808AD22111D7.jpg

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[LegolasIsntSexy]

Man, I saw it again for the second time just a few hours ago. And once again, holdin back the tears for the last half an hour. I get sad thinking about LOTR now. We've been travelling along with these hobbits (because after all, thats who the story boils back down to - started with the hobbits, ends with em), and they've been through so much. From just making their way to the little town of Bree, through the Mines of Moria, the Marshlands, Fangorn Forest, Rohan, Gondor, Mordor. And after it's all said and done, after the ring is destroyed and the evil taken out of the world, after the hobbits are reunited with each other and their fellowship, they cannot all stay together, so they return home. back to where the story started. and it makes me sad, seeing as how i feel, watching the movies and reading the books, as if id been with them the whole time, and now the journey, the adventure, everything, its all over. all of these characters are gone now. its like high school graduation, and all of your good friends are leaving you to go off to college. its quite sad. so in closing, Peter Jackson, I salute you. you have taken the best books ever written (imo) and made them into the best movies ever filmed (imo). from the opening elvish of Galadriel, to the final closing moment, and finally "The End", its been one hell of an adventure. i could not look up at that screen while i was clapping because i wouldve burst into tears at the fact that its over. but now, it is over, and we all have to say goodbye. and damnit, that sucks.:( PJ, all I have to say is : thank you.

[Mr. Frodo]

ahh the powere of DVD.

[DolAmroth]

Another cheezy part was how fast Eoywn cut of the fell beast head.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

You guys speak of PJ directing the scene of Smeagol and Deagol, just FYI, PJ did not direct that scene, Fran Walsh did.

[Cbars]

Well, like I said, I like the premise, but it looked really fake when Deagol was being pulled through the water by the fish.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

This scene is in there... It is the very first shot of our 3 hunters inside POTD. Goes by quick...

http://homepage.mac.com/elwen/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-08-19%2001.53.44%20-0700/Image-E2E3F4F8D22111D7.jpg

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

This one should be in the EE, it will be an extension to the last debate.

http://homepage.mac.com/elwen/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-08-19%2001.53.44%20-0700/Image-E2E47635D22111D7.jpg

[DolAmroth]

I didnt see it

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Yeah it was there...

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

This one will surely in the EE, you see the moments leading up to it but it goes to the next scene.

http://homepage.mac.com/elwen/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-08-19%2002.10.26%20-0700/Image-540C8E1AD22411D7.jpg

[DolAmroth]

There were so many seens in the movie that needed to be a little longer. Like Gandalf first seeing Minas Tirith and then all of the sudden he is in the city streets there was no build up of him riding up to the city and then through the gate.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

DA, I think I spotted Imrahil in my second viewing!!

In the first viewing, he was never mentioned by name so I assumed he would be in the EE, but I have a strong feeling that the outspoke gondorian soldier that said "this what lord denethor predicted, long has he foreseen this doom..." Also that soldier was wearing a regal cloak, like he had some significance.

Also when Faramir was dragged all the way back by his horse, the first person to get him was this unnamed soldier. He then took lifeless Faramir to Denethor, isn't that what IMRAHIL DID IN THE BOOK. I think that was him.


I want your opinion though.

[DolAmroth]

Oh I know I was wondering who that was but they never said I just assumed he was just a high ranking Gondorian knight. Also jedi you said there was 6,000 men in the city it never said in the movie how many orcs there were in the seige or men. And there were only 10,000 orcs at the black gate. Thats what gandalf said "because 10,000 orcs lay between Frodo and Mt Doom"

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Yeah, I would have to guess it had to be close 200,000 or just below then the few Harad made up the rest.

[Queen Arwen]

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
DA, I think I spotted Imrahil in my second viewing!!

In the first viewing, he was never mentioned by name so I assumed he would be in the EE, but I have a strong feeling that the outspoke gondorian soldier that said "this what lord denethor predicted, long has he foreseen this doom..." Also that soldier was wearing a regal cloak, like he had some significance.

Also when Faramir was dragged all the way back by his horse, the first person to get him was this unnamed soldier. He then took lifeless Faramir to Denethor, isn't that what IMRAHIL DID IN THE BOOK. I think that was him.


I want your opinion though.

You've given me a great deal of hope, JEDI! Imharil is my favorite new character in ROTK!

[ILOVEKATIE]

I've seen the film three times already, and I love it even more, it just keeps getting better everytime.
Such a beautiful film.

[DolAmroth]

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
Yeah, I would have to guess it had to be close 200,000 or just below then the few Harad made up the rest.

jedi where the hell were all the Easterlings and there were barly any haradrim and gandalf said Legionds of them were coming. Ok there were about 16 Mumakil each with say 20 men atop of them thats about 320 thats no where even near a Legiond.

[AXLPendergast]

Just got back from my first viewing, with only one question:

how the f does a 3.3 hour film feel rushed? I mean really... :applaud:

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

I think they were cut, if we can use the word cut. Though if you look closely @ some of the quick wideshots, you can make some out.

[ILOVEKATIE]

Sean Astin's performance had me in tears, what an amazing performance, I'm speechless.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Originally posted by Queen Arwen
You've given me a great deal of hope, JEDI! Imharil is my favorite new character in ROTK!


Arwen!! It had to be him!!

He was way to outspoken to be just some high ranking knight. The things he did like:

Getting Faramir as his horse dragged through the gate, that was scene Imrahil was to be involved in. I reported on it months ago.

Second, In the book Imrahil takes a wounded Faramir to Denethor, this guy did THE EXACT SAME THING!!!


If anyone would know better, it would be DolAmroth, the feeling I am getting from him is that he believes and I am imclined to believe it is him.

[southern]

this makes the 3rd movie ever i've cried at
not really thrilled with the opening, the battles are beyond words,
gimli merry and pippin are too comical in so parts, not realy crazy about the Arwen/ring issue but i understand the reasoning, i teared up with pippin's song and intercutting with faramir:(, theadon and eowyn at his death made me the same,
biiiiiig spider, *goes extremely girlie* Orlando Bloom looked fine as hell in silver at the end when everyone had their bathes, i'm glad i finally got to see Galadriel's cloak from her portriat shot, i cried at the end:waa:

what will i have to look forward to next december?:waa:

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Cbars
I didn't mind the idea, it just looked really cartoony and fake.

I think I know what you mean... The 1978 version was also cartoony (literally) and fake.... Which is the same point I was trying to make also..... Just from a different point of view...

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Skrybe
I loved so many parts it's hard to narrow it down, really . . . but seeing an army of 6,000 men riding bravely into an army of - how many was it, Samwise? 10,000?


Closer to 200,000

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Mr. Frodo
I'll agree That The Lord of the Rings is the best movie ever!

I agree 100%

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by DolAmroth
The EE needs to be about 1.5hrs longer to do justice.

At LEAST 90 minutes!!!

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by DolAmroth
Seens in the trailer but not in the moive

S N I P



See... I told everyone that the Trailer SUCKED!!!

ROTK ROCKS!!! (In spite of it's worthless trailer)

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by DolAmroth
Another cheezy part was how fast Eoywn cut of the fell beast head.

That didn't feel cheesy at all to me....

In fact I felt Eowyn was feeling very vunerable the whole time but it was her sheer courage that brought her through!!!

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
This one will surely in the EE, you see the moments leading up to it but it goes to the next scene.

http://homepage.mac.com/elwen/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-08-19%2002.10.26%20-0700/Image-540C8E1AD22411D7.jpg

I really felt I missed this scene....

Mostly because I have been seeing shots of it since the very FIRST LOTR Trailer so many years ago.....

[southern]

i must say that i wasn't too impressed with the WiKi in full armor but in the movie it's superb!
the race for Faramir and the Gondorians to get back to MT was incredible!

the dead swarming the orcs was fantastic

and there will be hell to pay come oscar time if this doesn't win best pic!

[RebelwithaCause]

My "Return of the King" Review

Allright, I went into the movies today, with two of my closest friends. On previous first trips into middle earth, with the first and second, I went with extremely good friends, which I did the same of this time....

But once the film ended, I felt strange...seriously. I mean, I was worried that it was dissapointment...and I cannot tell you how much I wanted to love this movie.....

But now that a while has gone by...I realized what that feeling was...a sense of awe that I have never before witnessed in a movie theater. Now unfortunately, my bladder started crying about 15 minutes in, so I missed the Smeagol/Gollum monologue in the water, but I do have to say some things.

Yes Downflow, I agree with you completely. What I loved about the first one was, it really felt like, if there were any holes, they were hard to find. Two Towers released a few...but not many enough to really notice. These do. These feel like there is a continuation of that certain section.

However, I am not holding it against him. See, with the whole Saruman issue and stuff, I realize that people wanted to see it...and yet, you must realize...Peter Jackson, the genius that he is, was told to make a movie. Not for the fans you realize, but for audiences, while keeping with the themes, and he has done so beautifully. But what we must realize is that, his film...the film that he made...is the extended edition. That is everything that he wanted to put in the movie, and yet due to audiences, was unable to. The extended editions of both the first ones made them into even greater, and more perfect films than they already were. For this film... I believe that he wanted to get in a lot of the sections, but there was not enough time. However, I must say this...if it is true that there is more than 90 minutes that will be added to this, I have no doubt that this film will be perfect. As it was right now, in my watching it...I have not been so entranced with a series, I must say, in my entire life. There have been times in my life where the screen has really prevailed me, like with Kill Bill, AI, Titanic and such....all drew me into their power, and did not let me go. And see....Titanic used to be my favorite film...but see, when I wondered if I had liked these films more, I had a sense of guilt. I mean, it was like saying that you had a new best friend, and your old one was just now your second. Kinda like, you have a Buzz Lightyear, and you just wanna put your Woody away for a while, (and there was not meant to be any pun intended there, I swear!) However, I had this feeling during this movie...just worried that....well, if I didn't like it, would I be lying to myself, just to keep myself happy? However, this is the same thing that happened to me with Fellowship...and upon my 2nd viewing, I realized that it was a lie. I plan to see it again tommorrow though, just to see everything again. But again, with plot holes or no plot holes, this is one of the greatest films of all time, and when the extended edition of this comes out, I do not believe that I will refer to these films as individuals. When the extended edition comes out, that will be all. That, and the first two extended editions, will make "The Lord of The Rings", and I have no doubt that when that day comes, then you shall see before you the best FILM ever made. See this movie with anyone, everyone. I yelled in this film. I laughed in this film, (rock on Gimli and Pippin), I cried in this film, (the last 10 minutes are a doozy, and Sam...oh god, Sean Astin....you are now officially Samwise Gamgee. Thank you so much....you have just given us an immortal beautiful character...and you made him perfectly. If it were in my ruling, I would give the Oscar to him now, no quesiton. Yes, I saw Mystic River and The Last Samurai people...Ken Watanabe was great, but not enough for Oscar, and Tim Robbins deserves to be nominated, but he does not have enough to beat Samwise. I doubt anyone could. This is one of the best performances of the year, and of the past decade. In all truthfullness, Sean Astin embodies every bit of Samwise Gamgee into his soul, so when he's holding onto Frodo and such, and looking at him, there is a love there, (ah bite me talkbackers... why don't ya grow up and realize there's actual love that doesn't involve sex and such?) just such an honest and pure love, that you do not feel is fake. It felt so real. So I take it back....I believe that this is one of the best performances I have ever had the pleasure of seeing. Oscars, listen up...if you do not, at the VERY VERY VERY LEAST nominate Sean Astin, then will you permit me to take the stick out of your a$$e$ and show you true deserving talent? I'm sorry people...I just love this movie. I love it so much. I'm not worried about the plot holes and such...I'll wait for the Extended edition before I cry about those....and that's not saying that the whole movie is with them...I just realize I sound like everything is all jumbled up. While some scenes need to be edited better, (Cough, wiki-vs-eowyn, Cough) it was done well. I say that about the Eowyn Vs. Wiki becuase, well, for those of you who saw it...you know what I mean, lol...but all in all, the film has faults few and far between...and with the Extended, they will be even fewer and farther in between...if it contains any flaws and all. And until that day, where I can lay back and watch all of them back to back, as they were meant to be seen, I'll be rewatching this last one. See this movie people, I swear to you. It is one of the greatest films ever made. It completes the best trilogy ever made. And combined with its previous two, it will make, in my opinion, the greatest motion picture ever blessed to take form on cinemas. I love this movie...and I pray you all will too....

Waiting for the extended edition, the complete movie on one set, and The Hobbit, (please make it Peter Jackson...please!!!!!!!)

Yours truly,
rebelwithacause.

[ILOVEKATIE]

Originally posted by southern
the race for Faramir and the Gondorians to get back to MT was incredible! That scene gives me chills, it's so majestic when Gandalf shows off, the music playing was perfect! I love how the camera shows Gandalf turning his horse and leading the men to Minith Tirith, so awesome.


On another note, I absolutely love the coronation of Aragorn in Minith Tirith, when Arwen and Elrond arrive, such a beautiful moment, and then everyone vowing to the hobbits, so powerful, I love it.

[RebelwithaCause]

I second that.

[ILOVEKATIE]

Great review Rebel, I totally agree with you about Sean Astin's performance, it blew me away, I was moved.

[The Moose]

i was just like rebel at the end. i didn't know what i felt, but now, nearly a day later, i know that it was one of the best films i've ever seen. soo many bits where shivers ran down my spine, especially when we saw Grond for the first time, and the WiKi.

[southern]

i'm glad i'm not the only one with the "what am i feeling" dilema
though i'm sure after seeing this 4-5 more times i'll be sure;)

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

DolAmroth and Arwen!

This has to be him...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/272017/imrahil.JPG

[Maximus]

dunno if any1 else mentioned or saw this but I swear I saw Peter Jackson on one of the Corsair ships when elrond was talking about them. The guy had a gut and long black hair and a beard, he was standing in the middle of the deck. Also I thought I saw him somewhere else but cant remember

[The Moose]

that was PJ

[Glordreen]

Just got back. I am extremely tired so I will make this short.

BEST F**KING MOVIE EVER MADE!!!!!!!!

[KINGKURT553]

I still am waiting to go see it with my cousin on the 27th. :(

[Durden]

Def. the best in the Trilogy.
Now I have to wait for the Extended Edition....
Dammit.

If Peter doesn't get the oscar for Best Director or Best Film I will vow to never watch the Oscars again...

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

I don't if its just me who saw this but when Pippin was lighting the beacons was that Gondorian guard Christian Rivers(?) the guy who works on the crew, I think on the FOTR EE it said he done PJ's Pre-Viz

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Why did they cut the "We shall see the Shire again" scene?

And how come in Mordor Frodo had his shirt back, after they had to wear the Orc armour because Frodo didn't have a shirt

[jpdill]

I saw it yesterday - it was a good film. But there were too many fade-ins and fade-outs at the end, and it really did have too many endings.

I also thought when Gollum fell into the lava it looked cartoony and fake.

Also, she-lob looked fake from time to time, along with the oliphants. I think The Matrix Revolutions should win best SFX, as the machines looked realistic.

ROTK was a good film, but not very realistic with SFX. My view tho. Yours may differ.

But it was good film, and Mordor was more than i imagined. I give it 9/10.

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Your forgetting it is easier to make CG machines than it is to make actual natural things like Spiders and Oliphaunts(not much different from elephants so thats my point)

And there wasnt too many endings damnit! ITS MANY PARTINGS!

[BarryCoote]

Originally posted by Spy-Of-Saruman
And how come in Mordor Frodo had his shirt back, after they had to wear the Orc armour because Frodo didn't have a shirt

I thought that it was more of needing to disguise themselves as the walk across Mordor rather than need a new shirt for Frodo.

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

But Sam said "You need some clothes Mr.Frodo, we can't you have walking through Mordor in nought but your bare skin"

[lotrfreak]

WHAT?! They cut out the "We shall see the Shire again" bit?! that was one of my favourite bits from the preview!!!! why?!!
hey...can anyone give me any spoilers? i cant wait a week!!!

[Kinjo]

What kind of spoilers do u need?

[coal-ash]

i think frodo got that shirt from sam. it looks like one of sams shirts. hopefully we see it the ee

[zamphir66]

I think when people say there were too many endings, what they mean is that the film makes you think the credits are about to roll, but then doesn't. That's a justified complaint. jackson could have done that whole bit just a little better, though i enjoyed having all the detail at the end. i did not enjoy my bedsores.

[Kinjo]

There were a couple of fade outs in there with blank screen pauses that really were a way of tricking the audience into thinking it was over. I think that's a lame thing to do, but overall, I loved the endings.

[pirlo_21]

wow!!!!!! awsome a 40 yera ol man next to me was in ters as were more suprinsgly five 20 year old males in front of me. being a matrix fan i was left dissapointed with the sequels however i am so happy with lotr it was awsome one of the best films i have ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Did you ask the man how old he was? lol

[BarryCoote]

Originally posted by Spy-Of-Saruman
But Sam said "You need some clothes Mr.Frodo, we can't you have walking through Mordor in nought but your bare skin"

Now that is a good point. Erm, well I'm out of ideas.

[Brock Landers]

Saw the film.....IT WAS THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER!!

"For Frodo!"


10/10

[Smeagol]

Originally posted by Brock Landers
Saw the film.....IT WAS THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER!!

"For Frodo!"


10/10

For Frodo!

:D