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sfa
12-08-2003, 08:57 PM
Is God in the Matrix? Part 1

In The Matrix, the word "God" is only used to swear as in "goddamn." The Oracle tells Neo that he has a good soul. There are no other direct statements related to God.

In The Matrix Reloaded, the word "God" is only used to swear as in "goddamn." There is a prayer meeting at the temple mount. The prayer is really a speech and there is no mention of God.

In The Matrix Revolutions, the word "God" is only used to swear as in "goddamn." The only other time God is used is when the Trainman tells Neo, "Down here, I am God." Seraph, Morpheus and Trinity fight the Merovingian in Club Hell. There are references about The Oracle, prophecies, miracles and the messiah, but they are not directly linked to God.

The Trainman's statement, "Down here, I am God," is inconsistent with the Judeo-Christian monotheistic concept of God. No one can exist independent of God. There can be no place where God does not exist. The statement, I am God, negates the existence of God. It violates the 10 commandments on many levels.

The omission of God in the prayer session in Reloaded may also negate the existence of God. How could a community that has a belief in God or a higher power, have a prayer session for their very survival and not mention God?

The sheer number of times "goddamn" is used in the trilogy questions the existence of God.

Morpheus trains his crew to fight and provides weapons for their missions. He instructs them that anyone who is not "unplugged" is the enemy. He essentially gives them the green light to do what ever is necessary and kill who ever is necessary to further their cause. While the Old Testament has battles that could be seen in the same light, there are also vast teachings in the Bible about the sacredness of life, of how one should not take another's life if at all possible. These types of moral teachings seem to be absent in the Trilogy and there appears to be little or no remorse at the multiple killings that take place.

All of Neo's powers can be explained by his interactions with the machines. Even when he saves Zion at the end, it is just him and the machines. The savior of the human race had no blatant connection to God.

Despite the religious symbolism in the trilogy, the script does not seem to provide much evidence of God and may even suggest that God does not exist.

Is there, however, another way that God can be inferred from the Trilogy?

Part 2...to follow.
http://thereisno-spoon.blogspot.com/

Rocksolidus
12-09-2003, 12:07 PM
i believe that the movie is based on the ultimate sacrifice. As in the bible, when Jesus sacrifieced for his people. The movie includes the best battle of morales and will than i have seen in a long time. i think the only other movies comparable to the tril. are

LOTR
&
Orig. Star Wars

If anyone thinks of any others, let me know

MMRempen
12-09-2003, 07:57 PM
I think you may have gone a little too far in checking how many times "God" has been spoken.

But to answer your question, the Architect is God in my mind. He completes Father(him)-Son(Neo)-Holy Ghost(the Oracle). And the Merovingian is the Devil. Plus, he looks the part. ;)

Rocksolidus
12-10-2003, 01:21 PM
right, same w/ the types of references that i had imagined

Fletcher
12-15-2003, 11:05 AM
I think your refering to a monotheistic religion - if you look at pre-Christian God-men, you might have better luck. I'm not doubting the existance of a 'Holy Trinity' in the Matrix, but there are other religions out there too, and some that involve a trinity - ever thought that the cross everyone talks about in association to Neo is infact an Ankh?

Or in club Hel, for example, there are Celtic cross type motifs on the windows etc.

Fletcher
12-15-2003, 11:08 AM
I also think its kinda clear that Smith is the "spreading darkness", chaos, the Set figure etc. Maybe he is "The devil", but where does "the devil" originate from? What is his connection to Neo as such?

Just some thoughts.

MMRempen
12-15-2003, 11:51 AM
That's a good point, Smith may also be Neo's "Anti-Christ."

Kinjo
12-15-2003, 12:09 PM
Is it any suprise that the devil is French? :D

Kevin Roegele
12-15-2003, 01:53 PM
The Matrix contains many religions, but from a Jeduo-Christian pov:

Neo - Christ
Morpheus - John the Baptist
Cypher - Judas
The Merovingian - Lucifer
Agent Smith - The Anti-Christ

eclipsedman
12-18-2003, 05:06 AM
Rocksolidus check out His Dark Materials books. They are being made into a Trilogy of films. Check out the cross that appears on Neos chest when he is used against Smith in the Machine city, many say it represents the sacrifice of Jesus to save us. That was the connection.

G-Matrix
12-29-2003, 06:36 PM
and many more like license plates, and similar situations in the bible...