ROTK vs. The Passion of Christ

[jpdill]

This is meant to be in the LOTR forum, btw.

Well hi - ROTK's coming out in a week and a bit. Big day coming soon.

We all know that PJ and Mel Gibson showed their new films at Ain't It Cool's BNAT5.

Now - they've posted reviews of the films (ROTK and The Passion). I advise you to read them - however, they seem to agree on one thing, which was put like this from one of the reviewers:

"Don't get me wrong. I love THE LORD OF THE RINGS films. Of course I do. But with THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST Mel Gibson has created Art."

What are your views - please note that all the comments from BNAT5 are valid, as the people making them have seen both ROTK and Passion of Christ.

My personal opinion is that ROTK will be amazing, but next year easily forgotten. There are so many good films coming out next year, and many will be more action packed that ROTK, so it'll be hard not to compare between. So basically, ROTK will lose out in the action department. But as well as that, TPOC will replace it's acting and preformances. THIS IS MY VIEW.

Sensible comments please

[todd philip]

um, the passion is not an action film.

[Gandollum]

You actually believe ROTK will be forgotten next year? And how can you compare both films, one is a religous drama while the other is a scifi-fantasy. Oh, and one movie is in latin while the other is in english, big difference dont you think.

[Kris Hodgson]

Harry is about as big a LOTR fanboy you can get, so you know if he is awed by The Passion then it must be something. I agree though that I think The Passion will be important, where LOTR is only entertaining

[jpdill]

Originally posted by todd philip
um, the passion is not an action film.

Sorry, when i said action film, i meant films like Spiderman II, Van Helsing, Troy, Alexander, Thunderbirds, Day After Tomorrow, etc.

Also, Harry Potter 3 is meant to be an excellent film - i spoke to the person i went on work-experience with, and he's seen a completed scene. He said you will not believe this is a HP film, as it's completely different compared to the first.

He also said WB have seen a fair bit, and they think this film will be their main film of the whole of 2004 and also one of the best summer blockbusters ever. And because it's such a good film, they're keeping it adultish/teen, and they've put an extra couple of million for the film and it's action scenes.

[jpdill]

I think The Passion of Christ is life-altering; Return of the King isn't according to reviewers

[Cipher Jo]

Actually my life has changed from both stories. LOTR blew my mind when I read it. And the story of Jesus has been called the greatest story ever told. I think they both will be good movies.

[Gandollum]

Originally posted by jpdill
I think The Passion of Christ is life-altering; Return of the King isn't according to reviewers

Good to know.:rolleyes:

[Crazy_Slasher]

The original poster left out a key fact...

That review wasn't made by our tubby friend Harry Knowles, the review was by Norling, whomever that may be.



I, personally, would choose ROTK over TPOC...that's me.

How can you compare a bio-pic on Christ with ROTK?

Pretty ****ing stupid if you ask me.

The only thing you might be able to compare is how much either film will make, not the content.

While I am sure TPOC will make its fair share of cash, ROTK will be a numbers breaker.

[Crazy_Slasher]

Here is what Knowles said:

18. THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST -- Never listen to a National Media coverage of alleged screenings. This film played to an audience 230 exhausted cinema loving movie worshipers from all around the world, every political and religious group... and the film received a 5 minute standing ovation and a 90 minute Q&A that included numerous questions grasping to understand what the "critics" of this film are talking about.

1. RETURN OF THE KING is the finishing flourish on what is definitively the greatest single narrative trilogy in the history of cinema. This film gives a new meaning to scope in film. A new meaning to the term epic. Peter Jackson has honestly created a final film that absolutely just owned me for every second it played. And in the way of the world, I'm just a very small hobbit in my own little shire of Austin... and I'm thankful for that, every day.

[Crazy_Slasher]

Originally posted by jpdill
I think The Passion of Christ is life-altering; Return of the King isn't according to reviewers

You mean REVIEWER:applaud:

Goodjob:rolleyes:

[JBomb87]

I don't think Passion of Christ will be nominated for awards because it is released too late in the year. So basically ROTK has the advantage of winning awards.

[UnicornBlood3]

Originally posted by jpdill
I think The Passion of Christ is life-altering; Return of the King isn't according to reviewers

Actually I've read most of the reviews and most reviewers said that the film blew them away and exceded their expectations...I don't think you should assume something from just an opinion someone else had...But I mean either way I think that you should wait to share you're opinions and assumptions until AFTER both movies come out.

[Madskillz]

i want to see both of those films.

[king_of_hetzer]

Listen, I am not christian, but TPOC looks fantastically artistic and an achievment in film.

But compared to a completely different genre such as realistic fantasy, oh my god, do you honestly think it is better?

Different films satisfy different needs.

DRAMA - The Hours
HORROR - Halloween (maybe, I am not skilled in terms of horror reviewing even though its my favorite genre)
Fantasy - Return of the King
Bio - Probly the POTC

You cannot compare films of diff genre.

[downflow311]

two way uncomparable films. jpdill it seems like with every post you make you prove yourself to be dumb and dumberer (no pun intended).

go back to the SW forum you pedo.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by jpdill
Sorry, when i said action film, i meant films like Spiderman II, Van Helsing, Troy, Alexander, Thunderbirds, Day After Tomorrow, etc.

Also, Harry Potter 3 is meant to be an excellent film - i spoke to the person i went on work-experience with, and he's seen a completed scene. He said you will not believe this is a HP film, as it's completely different compared to the first.

He also said WB have seen a fair bit, and they think this film will be their main film of the whole of 2004 and also one of the best summer blockbusters ever. And because it's such a good film, they're keeping it adultish/teen, and they've put an extra couple of million for the film and it's action scenes.

you actually think harry potter 3, thunderbirds, spiderman, and day after tomorrow will even be in the same league as ROTK? you have to be the least respected member on these boards with stupid posts like this.

[IceGambit]

Originally posted by downflow311
two way uncomparable films.

Why? They are both movies that tell a story important to a great many people. They will certainly both be excellent. They both made advancements in cinema achievement.

I personally think they will both be two of the best movies ever made.\

But mark my words. TPOC will not win any awards. Liberal Hollywood is ruled by to many non-Christians. It will probably be the best movie of the year, so such discrimination is a shame.

[king_of_hetzer]

It probably will be the *SECOND BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR* I agree. But listen up Ice, I am NOT christian but I am heavily anticipating this movie because the story of christ has taught me so much. I just don't believe he is the son of god, that does not mean I can't follow his advice, even if it was advice made up by the romans (Julius Ceaser = Jesus Christ).

It is going to be a fantastic piece of art, but, there is absolutely no way you can compare them! This one actually happened (supposedly) (POTC) whereas Return of the King DID NOT.

[Crazy_Slasher]

I'm a jew and I really don't give a good **** how they represent the situations, so long as it's good.

This whole thread is lame if you ask me and is a blackspot in the LOTR forum.

Why can't one enjoy both films?

Someone wants to see ROTK go down **** river me thinks.

"But mark my words. TPOC will not win any awards. Liberal Hollywood is ruled by to many non-Christians. It will probably be the best movie of the year, so such discrimination is a shame."

You just performed the same discrimination you ***** about.

[Crazy_Slasher]

Originally posted by IceGambit
Why? They are both movies that tell a story important to a great many people. They will certainly both be excellent. They both made advancements in cinema achievement.

I personally think they will both be two of the best movies ever made.\

But mark my words. TPOC will not win any awards. Liberal Hollywood is ruled by to many non-Christians. It will probably be the best movie of the year, so such discrimination is a shame.


Why can't the two films be compared?

Because one is a ****ing fantasy movie about magic, hobbits and middle-earth while one is bio-pic on Christ...

What is wrong with you people
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[true fan11212]

TPOC doesn't come out this year.

[Lance]

One word. ChriFi.

[tiff_t_t]

Lol. Crap (like this thread) never fails to amuse me.

[jpdill]

Harry Potter will be better than ROTK in my opinion. I've seen alot more of the film than most others (work experience), and it's pretty neat.

The acting isn't as brilliant as LOTR, but it's realistically teenage. And they've honestly SEXED it up alot more.

I just hope we get a wizard battle in Book 6 and 7 - that on film would be the best. Especially if it was set in a deserted London - in Westminster. That'll be cool.

I'll post my idea in the HP forum.

I'm looking forward to ROTK, but i feel my anticipation has died down ALOT.

[Smeagol]

Originally posted by jpdill
I'm looking forward to ROTK, but i feel my anticipation has died down ALOT.

And why is this? Just because a few reviewers have said that the ending is a little too elongated? :rolleyes:

[jpdill]

No - i don't know why.

I guess it's the fact i know next year we'll have better films coming out - why get hyped about this when you know better films start coming out in Feb?

[PsYkOoOoO]

no offence thats just stupid..first thing first..u HAVENT watched the passion...what makes u think its going to be better..also..i dont agree with what you said:

I guess it's the fact i know next year we'll have better films coming out - why get hyped about this when you know better films start coming out in Feb?

the truth is there will ALWAYs be better films coming out no matter what...look back in time to star wars time...everyone was hyped about the movie but no one really thought about what movies will come out in the future..

[PsYkOoOoO]

Originally posted by jpdill
Harry Potter will be better than ROTK in my opinion. I've seen alot more of the film than most others (work experience), and it's pretty neat.

The acting isn't as brilliant as LOTR, but it's realistically teenage. And they've honestly SEXED it up alot more.

I just hope we get a wizard battle in Book 6 and 7 - that on film would be the best. Especially if it was set in a deserted London - in Westminster. That'll be cool.

I'll post my idea in the HP forum.

I'm looking forward to ROTK, but i feel my anticipation has died down ALOT.

HP better than ROTK?u are kidding me...the first and the second cannot even be compared to FOTR or TTT...

Yea maybe the acting in LOTR wasnt brilliant..but check out the kids from HP..:rolleyes:

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[UnicornBlood3]

Yeah I have tro agree with PsykO and say that the first two HP movies pretty much sucked. Both third movies arent even out yet so how can you compare either one with the other. I don't even know why you bother saying all these when you are in the LOTR forum in the first place...:nono:

[TyRoss]

Originally posted by jpdill
No - i don't know why.

I guess it's the fact i know next year we'll have better films coming out - why get hyped about this when you know better films start coming out in Feb?

"Always looking to the future this one is. Never his mind on where he was, what he was doing."

- Yoda

[Rocksolidus]

i think that the storyline will make or break the movies coming out. the harry potter and LOTR thirds will battle for best movies.

[downflow311]

this thread gets my vote as the dumbest thread ever put in the LOTR forum.

[PsYkOoOoO]

hahaha..and one more person added to your 'i-hate-you' list?

[downflow311]

jpdill has been on there ever since the 'new edition of FOTR(UK)' thread. ;)

[evenstar]

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
HP better than ROTK?u are kidding me...the first and the second cannot even be compared to FOTR or TTT...

Yea maybe the acting in LOTR wasnt brilliant..but check out the kids from HP..:rolleyes:

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HP had trolls, wizards, giant spiders, a dark lord where as LOTR had........no hang on.....

[jpdill]

But you see, in HP all those creatures choose a side to fight for, and we'll get to see/read them fighting in this huge war that starts in the next book.

[evenstar]

you dont see even the slightest bit of simularity though...

[UnicornBlood3]

Actally the war probably wont start until the 7th book (since well that is the last one...:rolleyes:) But to what you said about the creatures choosing sides. So do the ones in LOTR, so really you have nothing else to argue about it. I dont even know why you bother to keep arguing anyway..

[jpdill]

Officially the war began at the end of Book 5.

It starts in Book 6 and then concludes in Book 7.

1500 pages of war...

[evenstar]

Its not quantity though, its quality.

[UnicornBlood3]

Well the huge battle is what I meant

[jpdill]

If there is a huge battle in London, it'll have:

Trolls, Vampires, Pheonixes, Bird-men, Werewolves, Humans, Wizards, etc. It'll be a big battle in an Urban enviroment.

Something missing in LOTR, i may add.

At the end of the day, i'll find it more interesting watching a battle in a place where i can actually go and say "That's where Harry killed the Glumin Troll" etc.

JK Rowling will do that as she'll get more money for promoting London and the UK - and she's getting Knighted soon, so she'll be Dame JK Rolwing, so she needs to have some sort of London battle.

[downflow311]

you think a battle in HP will be even close to a battle in LOTR? please. Harry Potter is a kids series. it will be so water-downed that it wont have that cool factor at all.

[downflow311]

it seems that jpdill is trying to bring down the spirit of the LOTR fans by comparing to other movies coming out. get off of it jpdill. get a life.

[UnicornBlood3]

Okay so you're saying your not excited about LOTR because it doesnt take place in the real world? Well I would expect so...Since it is a FANTASY story. Those places WONT BE REAL in HP either..It's not like oh look theres the MOM..Oh and where the hell do you get Bird-men?? There aren't any "bird-men" in HP...The thing that is great about LOTR is that we don't live on ME..So we can use our imagination to let our mind take us there. Just because she is getting "knighted" means nothing. The doesnt mean she has to promote a London battle at all..

[downflow311]

jpdill is one of those people where you just have to ignore his posts because they are so idiotic on so many different levels.

[UnicornBlood3]

I know, I'm just really stubborn...I shall try though..

[downflow311]

i would say that he is the dumbest member of CS! by far lol

[UnicornBlood3]

I'm starting to think along those lines..lol

[downflow311]

oh you have seen nothing yet! you should check out his posts in the 'New Edition of FOTR (UK)' thread.

[jpdill]

Originally posted by downflow311
Harry Potter is a kids series. it will be so water-downed that it wont have that cool factor at all.

It was a kids series.

Not anymore.

More of a matured family audience

Not as "Let's have an adventure" like the previous 2.

Proof you ask for?

Just wait until June 2004...

Also, i can comfirm there WILL be violent scenes much like T3's hand-through-the-cop scene as that got away with being "family material"

The new film is 12A/12 rated - this in all likelyhood will be a PG-13.

Also, i can comfirm it now - i'm going to see the sets and stuff in March, and see the them make the action scenes in April, May and June.

Oh - and at the moment it's going to one long 4 hour + movie, with an interval, hoping for a Summer 2005 release.

I can't prove anything, so you can take this a BS, but at the end of the day you'll know if i'm lying or not.

[jpdill]

Also, it's a LOTR forum - not HP.

I think it would be better to not go off on tangents.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by jpdill
It was a kids series.

Not anymore.

More of a matured family audience

Not as "Let's have an adventure" like the previous 2.

Proof you ask for?

Just wait until June 2004...

Also, i can comfirm there WILL be violent scenes much like T3's hand-through-the-cop scene as that got away with being "family material"

The new film is 12A/12 rated - this in all likelyhood will be a PG-13.

Also, i can comfirm it now - i'm going to see the sets and stuff in March, and see the them make the action scenes in April, May and June.

Oh - and at the moment it's going to one long 4 hour + movie, with an interval, hoping for a Summer 2005 release.

I can't prove anything, so you can take this a BS, but at the end of the day you'll know if i'm lying or not.

i will take this all has false, considering your reputation at the boards. your not going to see the sets, you make that up to impress people on a MOVIE MESSAGE BOARD YOU LOSER!

[downflow311]

T3's scene did NOT come through as family material. that was a rated R movie !!!

[downflow311]

quit lying to try and impress people jpdill. because quite frankly, YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE

[tiff_t_t]

jpdill is, what we call in my homeland, a $h!t-stirrer. Rhymes with bit-curler. Even if Harry Potter is FANTASTIC and super super entertaining (which it very well might be), it will never compare to the LOTR trilogy in the hearts of Tolkien's/Jackson's fans. So who the hell cares? Peddle your adolescent crap somewhere else, jpdill. ...Might I suggest the Matrix forum?

[jpdill]

Originally posted by downflow311
T3's scene did NOT come through as family material. that was a rated R movie !!!

It wasn't in the UK. Rated 12A, which is a family rating. My 7 year old sister went and saw it.

I also proved i did HP work-experience not that long ago in the HP forum. Can't be arsed to re-re-publish my certificate again, so just ask spiderman_2k or someone like that

[jpdill]

Following advice from the SW forum, i now don't give a $hit what you lot think.

I'm adding this to my "Hah-hah" list when i'm right and you're wrong.

Nuff said. Let's now return to LOTR, and forget this ever happened.

[tiff_t_t]

if you don't give a $hit what we think, why on earth are you asking us to acknowledge and legitimize your crap by agreeing with you? You're an idiot.

[jpdill]

quoting the "now"...

[tiff_t_t]

Sure, whatever, loser. Run and hide.

[king_of_hetzer]

Originally posted by downflow311
you think a battle in HP will be even close to a battle in LOTR? please. Harry Potter is a kids series. it will be so water-downed that it wont have that cool factor at all.

ROTK is so better than Harry Potter (movies), but, that doesn't really give you the right to critisize the books in such manner.

For me, Harry Potter is funner to read. Why? Because it is easier to read (a kids series, yes). It also has these fantastic literary elements you rarely see, even in a piece of literature that isn't even thematic (JKR wrote HP just to be a story, not a thematic work of art). The thing she did with names is marvelous, as I read her work, I can see an immature return of the love of classic literature. As a matter of fact, I would classify her work as classic, except for the fact that there really is no important and original theme. Other than a few speeches by Dumbeldore at the end of the first two books (Abilities don't define identity, <i>choices</i> do.). But other than that, I am getting themes that are *accidently* put in there. This is the one flaw of HP. It has no *REAL* meaning except for the whole Slytherin-Gryffindor internal conflict within Harry.

But may I say, the Harry Potter films are HORRID! WHAT THE F***! HOW can you make such STUPID films out of such a fun series? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME! THE TROLL! JUST CUT OUT THE WHOLE TROLL SEQUENCE IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT SO 3-YEAR-OLD-ISH, MY GOD!

The third movie actually does look like it has more potential because of a director who is not a complete idiotic embasil.

--

BUT! Although Harry is funner, Lord of the Rings always holds my prestige so much grgeater. I mean, how do you create a work that will change the face of literature forever? This redefined fiction. Such a large scale fantasy work never has been written before. Not only is this new genre defined in full, but it is MASSIVE! How does one create such a detailed world? My own works of fantasy are $**t! Why? Because it takes YEARS of detail and work! Not just a few months worth. Tolkein actually *acheived* something for the face of literature whereas Rowling achieved something for the face of children beginning to love literature more.

Both serve purposes, but Tolkein actually did something that I admire. Lord of the Rings is better than Harry Potter because you cannot just read it ten times in one month. It actually takes *thought*. Tolkein, I believe, was not a big fan of theme. If you analyze his work, it really has no parallels from the Long Expected Party to The Grey Havens if you draw a plot triangle. But what is amazing is that, it takes work to read his work the first time, it is not a simple "There was a boy who lived in a cupboard." Tolkein's language is magnificent. Tolkein cared for enlgish whereas Rowling cared for greek and roman mythology.

Both are wonderful authors, but as you can see, I much favor Tolkein. Movie wise Lord of the Rings always rules, book wise I would rather read Harry Potter, but I would get *so* much more from Lord of the Rings, and then again authorwise, Tolkein.

[downflow311]

thats great there elvishfurby. that still doesnt solve the probelm of jpdill being an idiot. all i have to say is go and push your adolescent crap in another forum jpdill. quit trying to steal the thunder of ROTK. after the 17th, you will see why nothing can compete with LOTR.

[Magnum]

**** you dude. I read this **** all the time and you are being a ****in *******. So MY input is **** you. *****.

[Queen Arwen]

Originally posted by Madskillz
i want to see both of those films.

That's basically all I care about too. Mel Gibson wouldn't care if TPOC will be an Oscar contender because it probably won't be, but he will care if people respond to his film. I am eager to see both!

[Queen Arwen]

By the way, the genre of each film is the polar opposite of the other. Thus, the very title of this thread precludes the possibility that both are the best of the best. Besides, as a fan of both epics and religious films (check out Quo Vadis and The Ten Commandments), I am just set to see both and form my own opinions.

[PsYkOoOoO]

i dont think HP3 pg-13...after all the movie studio wants to make cash..

[moviegeek]

but if it isn't pg-13 then it would take out the good stuff in the books that make it pg-13.

[PsYkOoOoO]

thats why it will suck?

[adnamasevoltam]

so ya...i very recently posted in the current movies section a reply to someone saying that ROTK wouldnt receive any noms for the oscars as being the most assanine statement ive ever heard.....sadly i must now say that EVERY statement by jdpill become the most assanine statements ill ever hear....

MOG!!! ok...first and foremost. TPOTC MAY be better than ROTK, we wont truly know until february (just in time for my bday :D ) HOWEVER, the movies shouldnt really be compared. and even if TPOTC is better than ROTK...i dont know if anything out there could beat the LOTR trilogy as a whole of a story and undaunted achievement in the world of cinema. there is nothing really that can compare.

next...movies next year that will beat ROTK other than TPOTC? there r a few that could contend, but Spiderman 2, Van Helsing, HP, and some of the others u listed wont even come into the same vacinity as LOTR. i mean...SM2 and VH are action movies as a whole w/out the character depth or epic feel to them (ill get to HP in a minute). Troy has a shot b/c well...its teh ****ing Illiad and beginning of the Oddyssey...though it could be ruined (i hope not...PLEASE). and to say ROTK will be forgotten????? that in and of itself is SO assanine! i mean...Jackson has set the bar for epic/drama/fantasy SO HIGH that its in its own realm now above simply fantasy. thats as stupid as saying Casablanca, Gone with the Wind, SW, and other would be forgotten....there so classic and epic that u CANT forget them - not to mention the EE is coming out that MANY will be waiting for.

as to HP/LOTR the books: LOTR is again - epic, artistic, and classic story telling. HP is a really awesomely fun and entertaining read..........comparable......no. LOTR is better w/no competition b/c HP is just plain and simple a really entertaining story.

as to the movies: PS and COS were alright, but are totally boring after a couple of viewings and NOTHING compared to the books. FOTR and TTT were BOTH nominated for best picture...FOTR could have easily won w/out ppl questioning...TTT was a toss up. if HP were ever nominated for BP...i think id personally go to Hollywood and kill the academy for its idiocy...good movies...not great...not epic....just good.

[ILOVEKATIE]

wow, so much hate for one another

[moviegeek]

don't be hatin'. um..nevermind

[evenstar]

*little voice from the corner*
Does it matter what-movie-is-better-than-the-other, and how can you talk about movies "beating"one another? What a movie is and achieves is a matter of opinion. Souldnt we all just be happy that GOOD movies are being produced rather than always leaving the cinema with that, Did I realy just waste 2hrs of my life watching that? feeling.

[ILOVEKATIE]

well said, evenstar.....and a very good point too.

[evenstar]

thank you :)