5 Wizards

[JBomb87]

In Middle-Earth they're are 5 wizards. The list as follows.

1.Saruman the white
2.Gandalf the Grey (Now White)
3.Anacolagon the Black
4.Rhadagast the Brown
5.????

I was just wondering who is the fifth wizard?:confused:

[AXLPendergast]

There are two blue ones also, but I can't remember their names

[Brock Landers]

These are the 5:


1. Gandalf the grey
2. Saruman the White
3. Radagast the brown
4. Pallando the blue
5. Alatar the blue

[MagsXGill29]

what's the difference between the colors ?

[Brock Landers]

Not too sure, It is unknown what has happened to Pallando and Alatar. They never appeared in LOTR. Radagast's skill is that of birds and beasts, mainly birds. He's a friend to the animals. Saruman is more skilled with his hands and his voice is very powerful

[LOTRNUT04]

brock, where are wizards 3,4,5 mentioned....in the app.?

[CWLakers34]

I'm pretty sure the colors are a sort of ranking. Saruman was the leader and was White, until the Valar (I think it was them) sent Gandalf back and he became the white. I wonder if when Gandalf moved up a rank, if the other wizards did as well. But that's pretty much all I know about the five Istari.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by LOTRNUT04
brock, where are wizards 3,4,5 mentioned....in the app.?

Radagast was mentioned in the Council of Elrond chapter of FOTR. He was the one who told Gandalf to go to the tower of Orthanc to meet Saruman(though he did not know what was going to happen. He didn't know Saruman had been seduced by the enemy).

Pallando and Alatar, we know NOTHING about.....except that they were robed in an ocean type blue. All Tolkien ever wrote was that went as spies in to the North(I'm guessing somewhere around Rhun) and were lost. Not taken by Sauron.....but became sort of 'dark magicians'.

[JBomb87]

But what of Anacologon the Black,he is mention briefly in the book FOTR.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by JBomb87
But what of Anacologon the Black,he is mention briefly in the book FOTR.

.......Anacologon the Black was a dragon.......

[LOTRNUT04]

^ :) . I dont remember any of those other wizards being mentioned in the books......guess i'll have to go re-read them. They were in FOTR, right?

[LOTRNUT04]

Originally posted by Brock Landers
Pallando and Alatar, we know NOTHING about.....except that they were robed in an ocean type blue. All Tolkien ever wrote was that went as spies in to the North(I'm guessing somewhere around Rhun) and were lost. Not taken by Sauron.....but became sort of 'dark magicians'.

when are these 2 mentioned

[Detori]

"Alatar and Pallando arrived in Middle-earth dressed in sea-blue. For this reason, they were together given the name Ithryn Luin, the Blue Wizards. With Saruman, they journeyed into the far east of Middle-earth, but while Saruman returned to the west, Alatar and Pallando did not. Of their fate, we know almost nothing"

from http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/ whom I've trusted through many an age

[longissima]

Radagast is the wizard who helped Saruman look for the One Ring by sending birds out as spies for Saruman. Radagast at this point did NOT know that Saruman was "joining" with Sauron, but thought Saruman was trying to keep a watchful eye on Sauron -- the enemy.

Ancalagon was indeed a dragon; "The greatest of the winged dragons of Morgoth, destroyed by Earendil who is Elrond's mother.

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Brock Landers
These are the 5:


1. Gandalf the grey
2. Saruman the White
3. Radagast the brown
4. Pallando the blue
5. Alatar the blue

Good Job Dude!!
:applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Samwise Gamwich
Good Job Dude!!
:applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

THanks. :)

[Queen Arwen]

Originally posted by longissima
Ancalagon was indeed a dragon; "The greatest of the winged dragons of Morgoth, destroyed by Earendil who is Elrond's mother.

Earendil was Elrond's father.

[JBomb87]

.......Anacologon the Black was a dragon.......


So much for Anacologon being a wizard.:confused:

At least now I know the other wizards.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by JBomb87
So much for Anacologon being a wizard.:confused:

It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the one Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself.

-- Gandalf, FOTR

[Aztec]

Originally posted by Detori
"Alatar and Pallando arrived in Middle-earth dressed in sea-blue. For this reason, they were together given the name Ithryn Luin, the Blue Wizards. With Saruman, they journeyed into the far east of Middle-earth, but while Saruman returned to the west, Alatar and Pallando did not. Of their fate, we know almost nothing"

from http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/ whom I've trusted through many an age

I remember reading somewhere (I don't know if it was official or speculation) that Saruman killed these two on the journey as a means of limiting his potential enemies.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Aztec
I remember reading somewhere (I don't know if it was official or speculation) that Saruman killed these two on the journey as a means of limiting his potential enemies.

Whoever said or wrote that didn't know what the hell he was talking about. Pallando and Alatar were never knew Saruman when they dissapeared. I'd only believe it if Tolkien himself wrote it. Tolkien only hinted is that they became almost like 'dark magicians', practicing Black Magic in the hills. They dissapeared long before Sauron corrupted him. I do not believe that Saruman killed them, because then that means of evil faaaaar before when he came across Sauron.

For some reason, whenever I heard Tolkien hint at the 'dark magicians' thing, I got the creepy feeling he was hinting that one of them turned in to The Witch King....I know it was stupid, but I remember reading Gandalf say something like 'The Witch King of Angmar was once a great sorcerer'

[longissima]

Earendil was Elrond's father
You are right. Elwing was Elrond's mother. Thanks for the correction!

[longissima]

Concerning the blue wizards and who they might be:

No names are recorded for the two wizards. They were never seen or known in lands west of Mordor. The wizards did not come at the same time. Possibly Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast did, but more likely Saruman the chief (and already over mindful of this) came first and alone. Probably Gandalf and Radagast came together, though this has not yet been said. ... (what is most probable) ... Glorfindel also met Gandalf at the Havens. The other two are only known to (have) exist(ed) [sic] by Saruman, Gandalf and Radagast, and Saruman in his wrath was letting out a piece of private information
The 'other two' came much earlier, at the same time probably as Glorfindel, when matters became very dangerous in the Second Age. Glorfindel was sent to aid Elrond and was (though not yet said) pre-eminent in the war of Eriador. But the other two Istari were sent for a different purpose. Morinehtar and Romestamo. Darkness-slayer and East-helper. Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion ... and after his first fall to search out his hiding (in which they failed) and to cause [?dissension and disarray] among the dark East ... They must have had a very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of the east ... who would both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have ... outnumbered the West.
These quotes were taken from Christopher Tolkien in "The History of Middle Earth Vol. XII". The following quote(s) were from "Unfinished Tales":
No names are given in the LotR or in The Silmarillion for the two Wizards that went into the East. In the Essay about the Istari in the Unfinished Tales, they are just called "IthrynLuin", the "BlueWizards":
Of the Blue little was known in the West, and they had no names save Ithryn Luin 'the Blue Wizards'; for they passed into the East with Curunír, but they never returned, and whether they remained in the East, pursuing there the purposes for which they were sent; or perished; or as some hold were ensnared by Sauron and became his servants, is not now known.
It goes on to state:
In the Unfinished Tales Christopher Tolkien mentions that in the remaining writings of his father he found a few more notes, but those were "...no more than very rapid jottings, often illegible...", one of them contained rough tables relating the names of the Istari to the names of the Vala who had chosen them: Olórin to Manwë and Varda, Curumo to Aulë, Aiwendil to Yavanna, Alatar to Oromë, and Pallando also to Oromë. (Olórin=Gandalf, Curumo=Saruman, Aiwendil=Radagast). According to this tables the names of the remaining two Wizards - whom we could presume to be the BlueWizards - would be Alatar and Pallando.
Sorry for such a LOOONG post, but figured it might be of some use/help.

[The Moose]

is the History of Middle-Earth, it says that there are 2 wizards, named Morenhitar and Romestamo (not sure about the spelling), and they ewew both blue, so they are alternative names for the 2 blue wizards. the colours are respective of the order of Wizards, but i don't know if the other wizards moved up when Gandalf did

[Imsety]

Are the 5 wizards:

Saruman the White
Alatar the Blue
Pallando the Blue
Radagast the Brown and
Gandalf the Grey

I've never heard of Anacolagon the Black! (Who is he)

[vision_afar]

I've never heard of Anacolagon the Black! (Who is he)

It was answered above. He was a dragon.



In a letter from 1958, Tolkien wrote about Alatar and Pallando:

"I think they went as emissaries to distant regions, East and South, far out of Númenórean range: missionaries to enemy-occupied lands, as it were. What success they had I do not know; but I fear that they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; and I suspect they were founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic' traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron."

[Crow T. Robot]

I always imagined that the blue wizards used their powers to build powerful armies in Rhun and Harad and then bring them into allegiance with Mordor, much like Saruman did with Isengard. No actual proof of this, I just like the thought and ties up some loose ends.

[MoreOrLess]

what's the difference between the colors ?

The colours of the wizards give clues to their characters I spose....

White - Hints at leadership on the side of good that both Saruman and Gandalf held.

Grey - Hints at the mysterious "behind the scenes" way that Gandalf operated subtly influencing events and collecting infomation.

Brown - Hints at Radagast's strong connection to nature and wildlife at the expense of everything else.

Blue - I'm not really sure, all I can think of is that Tolkien thought blue kind of implies distance and mystery(for me anyway) and so suits characters who are very distant and disconnected from his narrative.