A Question about Arwen

[dwin902]

Having watched the Two Towers EE several times, and also having seen a brief scene from ROTK with Arwen and Elrond on Primetime, I have a question. Why does Elrond tell Aragorn that he doesn't want his daughter to "stay here and die." In the scene from Primetime, Elrond tells Arwen that "The life of the Eldar is leaving you." If Arwen is immortal, why is Elrond saying these things? What is the life of the Eldar? What is its significance? She is still immortal, right?

[Necross]

Ummm. I don't want to ruin anything for you. Just wait for ROTK. From what I have heard you will get an explanation in the beginning of the movie. I will just tell you that Elves can lose their immortality if they give it up for something.

[KenM]

Since Arwen gave Aragorn the necklace, I think the necklace has part of what makes the elves immorttal. And since She gave it away, Elround can tell its starting to have an effect. She Arwen would die if she stayed. Eldar is just another term for elf I belive.

[LLDCK]

I myself don't understand that...














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In the book Arwen is imortal, long after Aragorn dies she is still alive...sounds like something the writer of the movie just made up to add something to the romance when in reality none of this actually happens.




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[Izzy]

Originally posted by LLDCK

In the book Arwen is imortal, long after Aragorn dies she is still alive...sounds like something the writer of the movie just made up to add something to the romance when in reality none of this actually happens.

Did you read the appendices? ur right, it didn't happen in the book. The story is told in the appendices of the big book.

But i may be wrong, and if i am, i'm pretty sure Elrond was describing this, but it was all hypothetically speaking. Therefore, Elrond was only saying what would happen if she did stay in middle earth. This theory i know is completely true......or my other theory.........or your theory.

I'll think of that over a steaming plate of apple pie.........mmmmmmmm pieeeee.........What were we talking about? Arwen's pie?- I mean, Arwen or pie? Sorry. Slip of the fingers. Although i find it strange i couldn't just delete it. Hmmmm (strokes chin in wonder, and squints eyes).

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Izzy
I'll think of that over a steaming plate of apple pie.........mmmmmmmm pieeeee.........What were we talking about? Arwen's pie?- I mean, Arwen or pie? Sorry. Slip of the fingers. Although i find it strange i couldn't just delete it. Hmmmm (strokes chin in wonder, and squints eyes).

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[The Moose]

in FOTR, arwen said to aragorn on the bridge in Rivendell "I choose a mortal life" indicating her choice that she will stay with aragorn, and thus lose her immortality if she stays. as you'll see in ROTK, we see what happens to Arwen and Aragorn. Aragorn dies in FA 120, on March 1st. Arwen then went to lorien and in the winter she died there

[Necross]

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I believe one of the ways that elves die is from a broken heart isn't it? I always thought that is how Arwen died. I believe she did in fact lose her immortality, but well...its hard to explain, something like that is how she lost it. Like she knew she would prolly die soon after Aragorn or something like that, I don't think there is a clear cut explanation Tolkien just says she goes to Lorien and lies on the hill where she met Aragorn and there dies. So...I don't think the movie is wrong or that I am wrong I think it was one of those things that you have to come up with an explanation on your own...then again i could be completely wrong lol.

[Queen Arwen]

The appendix clears up every issue you have. The Eldar are the Elves, the Firstborn. Elves are immortal, but they can die in battle or because of a broken heart. Arwen did not lose her immortality merely by giving away her necklace, the Evenstar, but also by pledging her love to Aragorn and refusing to leave Middle-earth. The necklace's only significance is that it is a piece of jewelry that symbolizes Arwen herself, whose other name, Undomiel, means "Evenstar." ROTK will clear up the question of "The life of the Eldar is leaving you." I don't wanna ruin that for ya. Of course, Arwen dies because Aragorn's death broke her heart. :waa: It's quite sad, really.

[JBomb87]

So Arwen is still immortal, she justt dies of a broken heart because of Aragorn.

[king_of_hetzer]

Well I am not too sure that she becomes mortal, but it says that when an elf loves a man, things go ill fated for her. So I believe Arwen keeps some of her immortality in a sense, but things go bad for her. Returning to the philosophy of Voldemort having a half/cursed life in Sorcerer's Stone.

[Thorongil]

In appendix a it says that the children of Elrond also get a choice, as he did, to be elven-kind and "to pass with him from the circles of the world, or if they remained to become mortal and die in middle earth"

In the book at least it seems to me, just by staying she became mortal, so like Aragorn had extra long life and chose when their time was up and to die

[Queen Arwen]

Yes, as the children of Elrond, Arwen and her brothers Elladan and Elrohir had the choice of staying in Middle-earth and becoming mortal or leaving for Valinor and stayiing immortal. I guess I'll be contradicting myself with this statement, but Arwen did die because she became mortal. Her choice was to live with Aragorn on Middle-earth, and that act led to her no longer being immortal. In a sense, she still dies as an Elf would, however, because she only died after she lost everything she gained by becoming mortal. That is, she was not fated to die until she had lost Aragorn, which then goes back to her dying as an Elf would of a broken heart. Is that a good explanation? Hey, I tried...