Sati

[geOFFery221]

someone PLEASE explain to me the relevance of Sati in Revolutions. What does she represent, why did the brothers put her in there, what impact does she leave on Neo? pretty much all there is about her. it's the only thing I'm still confused about.

Thanks

[Riddle]

She's there to show Neo that the machines can love. And then this leads him to believe that the machines and humans can have a truce.

(none of this silly "Sati is the One" business, please)

[Lackey]

exactly.... it shows that machines aren't really "evil" and never were.

[Tonkpils]

Originally posted by Riddle
(none of this silly "Sati is the One" business, please)
I dont believe in that "sati is the one" bull either... i mean she was just a program... many programs dont have a purpose.

[Pointy Shrub]

explain then why she can make the sun rise? the likeness to the first one that was born in the matrix and could control it as he wanted is very close dont you think? but there is no answer so it is up to youself to work that out. "take the blue pill and believe what ever you want to believe."

also i think they used a child because children represent a more pure form of love.

[NE0]

I think all she represents is another more evolved program that thinks more like a human. A step up in their AI. I think one of her "gifts" is that she can conrtol certain things in The Matrix.

Plus, what the others pointed out...she was created because two other programs discovered love.

[Lackey]

some interesting info on the name "Sati"

Sati
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

In Hinduism, Sati, also called as Dakshayani is one of the daughters of Prasuti and Daksha. She loved Shiva, but her father, Daksha, forbade her marriage to Shiva. She did so anyway, and Daksha got revenge by not inviting Shiva to a festival during his absence. Sati killed herself by self-immolation on a fire. After Shiva returned and found Sati's body, he killed and decapitated Daksha, later replacing his head with a goat's.

Sati was reborn as Parvati (Paarvati, the daughter of the mountain or Parvata), and reappears as Shiva's consort.

Another woman with the title of Sati is Savitri. Savitri was the wife of Satyavan, who begged Yama (the God of Death), to restore her husband to life. Her dogged persistence caused Yama to grant her one wish, on the condition that the wish should not be to restore Satyavan's life. Then Savitri asked to have children from Satyavan, after which Yama had no choice but to restore his life.



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By extension from the mythic Sati, the term is also used for the death, voluntary or involuntary, of widows on the funeral pyres of their husbands in India. The term is also extended to refer to the widow herself. For this usage, the term is often written using the old English spelling of suttee. Though supposed to be voluntary, it is believed to have been often enforced by various social pressures exerted on the widow.

Although the practice may have occurred in ancient times, the extent of it then is not certain. It has generally been restricted to certain castes and communities. Some accounts indicate that it may have been introduced from central Asia by Scythians, from whom Rajputs of Rajasthan are believed to be descended. Sati is known to have been practised in many different regions of India from medieval times, though the prevalence varied. Many rulers made efforts to ban or limit it, including the Mughal emperors. The practice was moderately common in Rajasthan and in parts of the Gangetic plain till the early 19th century, and a few hundred deaths were recorded each year then. At this time it was rather uncommon or even unknown in other parts of India.

It was banned in the Bengal Presidency in 1829, other East India Company lands shortly after, and in the last princely state to permit it, Jaipur in 1846. Instances however continue to occur occasionally to the present day. Various measures against it now include efforts to stop the 'glorification' of the dead women. This glorification often includes the erection of shrines to the dead, encouragement of pilgrimages to the site of the pyre, and an income to nearby villagers.

In Egyptian mythology, Satis was the goddess who guarded Egypt's border with Nubia on the south, and was also associated with the floods of the Nile River. She was worshipped at Elephantine, along with Chnum and Anuket.

[Blizzardman15]

This makes no sense, machines do not know love yet because Neo's role as the sixth ONE was to show the machines human love after he was reinserted. He was reinserted at the end meaning that the machines had no clue about love before.

[Reemer]

I don't get where people came up with this junk that she makes the sun rise. just cuz the Oracle asked her, a child, if she did and she replies yes. I don't buy it. aside from the fact that a huge thunderstorm ended it's not like the Wachowski's would end the movie with twilight still covering the Matrix sky, but also the sunrise came before Sati herself was awoken by the cat, then she comes prancing through the park with Seraph. I don't buy her manipulative abilities. and didn't her parents give the Mero the Oracle's code in exchange to save their daughter who was supposed to have no purpose? if she could manipulate the Matrix to her liking then how could that make her reasonless? I agree that she was just a symbol of evolved AI, but nothing more.

[AnomolyReloaded]

Sati is the Spirit of the Universe. It explains this on the score and in the words sung during the Smith/Neo fight (transcription is on the scores back cover). The game also has the Oracle explain that the child is important and one day she will change both worlds... whether they meant by helping Neo see Machines can love or something else, I'm not sure.

[Rain]

In the eyes of the Archetict Sati had no purpose is what I think her father meant - cause if there is no purpose for her in the system she would be deleted. this doesnt mean she is reasonless in other perspectives i.e. as an intelligent program capable of love

and do u think the oracle really would have asked Sati if she designed the sunrise if she had nothing to do with it - i doubt it would of the focal point of the last shot of the whole triolgy if sati and the sunrise didnt hold some relevance

[dogisburning]

Originally posted by Blizzardman15
This makes no sense, machines do not know love yet because Neo's role as the sixth ONE was to show the machines human love after he was reinserted. He was reinserted at the end meaning that the machines had no clue about love before.
What about other Ones before him?
Love doesn't have to mean your boy/girlfriend.I could mean your parents,brothers,sisters,relatives,so on.When the previous 5 Ones were inserted,the machines would learn a bit from each.So by this time the machines would know a bit about love.

[Riddle]

Originally posted by Blizzardman15
This makes no sense, machines do not know love yet because Neo's role as the sixth ONE was to show the machines human love after he was reinserted. He was reinserted at the end meaning that the machines had no clue about love before.

UUmmmm....did you even see Revolutions?
Because they explain this quite well in it.

[Reemer]

Originally posted by Rain
and do u think the oracle really would have asked Sati if she designed the sunrise if she had nothing to do with it - i doubt it would of the focal point of the last shot of the whole triolgy if sati and the sunrise didnt hold some relevance

she wouldn't be much of an oracle if she couldn't have known that Sati did that herself now, would she? that's a major reason I don't buy it.

[Boiiinng]

I doubt she made the sun rise, that always happens, there's a program to govern that. However, I would like more to believe that she created the color streaks in the skies, that you don't see everyday.

[superxero88]

im tired right now, so ill try to put this as simply as i can:
color streaks = rainbow = promise
that has something to do with the bible i think

[redpill]

rainbow = jeffrey human - bungle bear - george pink hippo - zippy i dont know what he is.

[Lton]

Perhaps this was answered and I missed it, but is there any significance to the fact that the green tint that usually appears to be on the Matrix is gone by the end, or is this just Wach Bros. way of symbolizing hope in this world?

[superxero88]

Originally posted by Lton
Perhaps this was answered and I missed it, but is there any significance to the fact that the green tint that usually appears to be on the Matrix is gone by the end, or is this just Wach Bros. way of symbolizing hope in this world?
whoa you noticed that too?:)

[redpill]

yea it was already noticed some where else aswell

[Wilmarbury]

Sati is just a program that didn't have a purpose before, so they were gonna delete her. But now in the new version of the matrix, her purpose is to rise and set the sun, so now she has a purpose.

[tiff_t_t]

Arrgh, this whole conversation is just making it more and more obvious to me that the ending was wholly unsatisfying and somewhat senseless to me. We should be here arguing about the fate of humanity now that the machine world has been overpowered, at least physically, and in my dream world, digitally, but alas, all I have to gripe about is the stupid Bennetton commercial at the end of the movie and what Sati symbolizes... a matrix with love (?), without machine dominance (ie the non-green-ness)? Why is this new anyway? There were already programs for love... and the machines already show love / attachment... why else build a "city" and defend it? Why why why? I'm so frustrated! One thing I know for sure, I hate that Sati is Indian-American/English/Anglo and is all nature-love-innocence... it smacks of a bit of stereotyping and of a wallop of irony, which I guess I shouldn't be surprised about considering the "fat black cookie lady" and the "ice cold power manic old white guy". Now *I'm* sounding like an idiot.... thoughts..tumbling...out...jumbled. One last thing-- Sati and the cat... ahem... when was the last time we saw a cat, eh? When there's a glitch? Maybe, maybe. Ah, dost thou think too much?

[Rabbit]

She made the sun rise because that was her purpose. What she was programmed to do.

Who suggested that she was the ONE?

[Rain]

Originally posted by Rabbit
She made the sun rise because that was her purpose. What she was programmed to do.

Who suggested that she was the ONE?

But her father clearly states she has no purpose

[spooker]

i am programmed to rise the moon ;)
i am anand :) huahuaahauhuahauha

[dogisburning]

And you are drunk.

The black cat/deja vu effect meant that something in the matrix has changed.After the superbrawl the broken up roads suddenly turn ok again/reloaded the matrix.Something like this,I'm not exactly sure.

[redpill]

dog your right the matrix was changed and reloaded thats why the cat was there


:applaud:

[dogisburning]

Come on man.They just don't understand.No need to call them dumb asses.

[el whip]

Sati represents love and the peace and hope of the new matrix. she began as a program with no purpose but was created with love of her parents. it is possible for programs to know love, look at persephone she was able to taste the love between trinity and neo with a kiss.

[jamieroberts1]

YOU ALL GOT TO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS

[Boiiinng]

Originally posted by jamieroberts1
YOU ALL GOT TO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS

Well, you can never make time unless you take time.

[logan350]

I agree that Sati IS NOT THE NEXT ONE. I know exactly where this came from it's all the Indian fans of the movie who got all excited when they saw some characters that are of there nationality in the movie and immediately wanted to see them have a bigger part in the movie. I wouldn't have a problem if there was some solid facts that would point to her being the One but just because a bunch of Indians want to see someone from there Nationality taking the spotlight of a cool movie franchise is ridiculous.

[Baadshah]

what the #%#@$ are u talking about. How do you know who is Indian and who is not on this forum. I'm Indian and I'd never said Sati is the next One, because that's ridiculous.

[logan350]

My mistake....................most Indians.

[tiff_t_t]

Originally posted by logan350
I agree that Sati IS NOT THE NEXT ONE. I know exactly where this came from it's all the Indian fans of the movie who got all excited when they saw some characters that are of there nationality in the movie and immediately wanted to see them have a bigger part in the movie. I wouldn't have a problem if there was some solid facts that would point to her being the One but just because a bunch of Indians want to see someone from there Nationality taking the spotlight of a cool movie franchise is ridiculous.

Logan, this is a REALLY ignorant comment. In this comment, you sound like a redneck idiot and should apologize.

(I happen to agree that Sati is not the next one... and I have problems with the blatant stereotyping the W Bros abused... Most Powerful = Old Europe White Guy, Most Downhome Wise = Fat Black Cookie Lady, All About Love = Indian-Anglo Close to Nature Lovechild Sati, etc etc. )

[superxero88]

Originally posted by Baadshah
what the #%#@$ are u talking about. How do you know who is Indian and who is not on this forum. I'm Indian and I'd never said Sati is the next One, because that's ridiculous.
why are you so defensive?

[logan350]

The reason I said it is that you had jpdill in here saying it and when I asked for proof his reply was "because I can just feel it". (Not really sure what it was that he felt)

Plus when I saw Revolutions there were 3 Indians sitting in front of me and when the credits rolled one of them made the same comment and the other 2 agreed. Bangledesh is the first I've heard not to have that view point so I apologize.

[logan350]

Originally posted by superxero88
why are you so defensive?


I have an idea but it would be stereotyping :funny:

[Baadshah]

i'm not defensive, he practically generalized the majority of people who say Sati is the one are by Indians, when there is only two indians on the forum that i know of; me and jpdill. Probably jpdill said because he has theories, just like the rest of you on the forum that come up with theories for the unfinished ending. but just because jpdill said doesn't mean he said it because he was indian :rolleyes:

[logan350]

I wouldn't of thought that until he said " She has to be the next One, I can just feel it". I'm not trying to start anything, I'll post a link if you would like so you can see what I'm talking about.

[Baadshah]

Originally posted by logan350
I wouldn't of thought that until he said " She has to be the next One, I can just feel it". I'm not trying to start anything, I'll post a link if you would like so you can see what I'm talking about.

i agree, and that's because he's INDIAN :rolleyes:

[logan350]

Wait your confusing me now, I said that jpdill's comment about sati was because he was Indian. Then you say no, and so I post his statement and so now your agreeing with me right?

[Baadshah]

it's called being sarcastic. Can't you see the rolling eyes

[logan350]

Just trying to figure out if it's friendly or not.

[Baadshah]

i was not trying to be mean

[logan350]

Oh ok.

[Baadshah]

i'm getting tired of replying on the subject over two different threads, aren't you?

[logan350]

Yeah pretty much just wasn't sure which one you would answer first.