Question about the true One... [Archive] - The ComingSoon.net Boards

jpdill

11-10-2003, 06:44 PM

Because the film has so many different interpretations, i was under the impression that it was infact The Oracle who was the one.

This is what i thought:

You get The One. This person is actually a programme and can't leave the Matrix as they don't have a human form. BUT this programme gets given a special pod-baby. This baby grows up to become The One's real world person.

So The Oracle is The One. But she can't leave the Matrix to make truce with the Machines, so she chose a human to help her. This human was Neo and it's Neo's job to help the Oracle OUTSIDE the matrix.

So basically it's a 2-man job being The One.

I think that Sati is the new Oracle. Her human helper is The Kid. These two have to work together, just like the old Oracle and Neo did. THESE TWO FORM 'THE ONE'

Is this a right theory or is it completely wrong?

I think this as they both had big roles, and in the Expanded Universe-ish books next year, they both will be the stars of the books (i guess).

Also, it does make sense as Sati has special powers and so does The Kid. They must like work together.

Pointy Shrub

11-11-2003, 12:35 AM

in my opinion after rev. there is no need for The One because there is peace. The One's purpose is not needed now; therefore Sati wouldnt be the one, niether would the Kid. The One will return when there in another crisis (eg. the next war or return of smith/evil charaters in the matrix.)

Out of all the characters left after revolution, none of them are "The One"

logan350

11-11-2003, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by jpdill
Because the film has so many different interpretations, i was under the impression that it was infact The Oracle who was the one.

This is what i thought:

You get The One. This person is actually a programme and can't leave the Matrix as they don't have a human form. BUT this programme gets given a special pod-baby. This baby grows up to become The One's real world person.

So The Oracle is The One. But she can't leave the Matrix to make truce with the Machines, so she chose a human to help her. This human was Neo and it's Neo's job to help the Oracle OUTSIDE the matrix.

So basically it's a 2-man job being The One.

I think that Sati is the new Oracle. Her human helper is The Kid. These two have to work together, just like the old Oracle and Neo did. THESE TWO FORM 'THE ONE'

Is this a right theory or is it completely wrong?

I think this as they both had big roles, and in the Expanded Universe-ish books next year, they both will be the stars of the books (i guess).

Also, it does make sense as Sati has special powers and so does The Kid. They must like work together.

You seriously have got a screwed up brain. Where does your head come up with these ideas? Please do me a favor and share some of these thoughts on your suposed TV show, I want to see them drag you off camera.

Lackey

11-11-2003, 01:23 AM

Sati being the new Oracle is certainly a better theory than Sati being the new Neo.

but I don't buy either one.

Reemer

11-11-2003, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by jpdill

Also, it does make sense as Sati has special powers and so does The Kid. They must like work together.

ok, I'm lost. where the hell did you come up with special powers for these two? the Kid did nothing supernatural in the fight against the machines. he simply pointed a cannon and fired, nothing more than a hero, not a superhero. and Sati did, um, she did, um, what was it... OH YA! she did nothing! and besides, how can you figure anyone else being the One other than Neo when the architect told him he was the One, and the Oracle did so herself?

Lackey

11-11-2003, 01:36 AM

Well the kid "saved himself" ...self-substantiation, which was thought to be impossible... he's the only known person that has done this.

...and Sati made the sunrise all pretty for Neo. :) ;)

Reemer

11-11-2003, 01:46 AM

Sati awoke after the sun was rising. I don't believe she made the sunrise gorgeous just cuz she said yes when asked. she still thinks like a child despite being a program.

NE0

11-11-2003, 02:09 AM

Nowhere in the ending did I get the impression that the anomoly or The One problem had been deleted from the equation.

The machine's deleted Smith through Neo because of the fact that Neo imprinted apart of his memories / Knowledge (code) onto Smith and that was the only way to stop him. Once all of Neo's knowledge was compiled by the mainframe was the Matrix able to Reload and start over....but....Just because Neo's knowledge was taken and used to correct some problems doesn't mean it would erase the anomly from poping up again.

The anomoly is a totally random thing created in the human psyche, it can't be erased no matter how many times the Matrix is reloaded, that's the flaw in the machines whole thinking process...it's because they can't execpt imperfection in anything. As you know we humans are imperfect and are very hard to figure out.

So the 7th One would most likely aprear in the new Matrix no matter if there's a truce or choice given. Human's have always had a choice, either ecept your reality or don't. What's the difference now with the truce? Nothing, except that Zion will be allowed to grow....nothing has changed in the rules of The Matrix.

Rain

11-11-2003, 02:19 AM

Well yes there will be future people who can do what Neo did it will still be rare - and they wont ever be the real "One" because even though there were 5 ones before neo they never ended the war. since the machines are allowing peace there is no purpose for them to incorporate these other "ones" into the system so these rules certainly would change

NE0

11-11-2003, 02:32 AM

Yeah, but your going under the assumption that Neo ended the war. All he did was hit the pause button.

Rain

11-11-2003, 02:45 AM

not really - i mean i can see another war starting but technically the war neo was born into has been ended.

take world war 1 for example, its a separate war from world war 2 because there was a time of peace - even though during this time a cold war never stopped and all conflicts were never resolved. its seen as two separate wars, not one with a gap of peace. so neo did end a war with a cease fire and peace talks between the oracle and the archetict

if another war did start i could see the rules coming back and the anaomly again being used by the system

NE0

11-11-2003, 03:09 AM

Yeah, but even if there isn't another war for awhile the anomly is going to occur regardless.

So what happens to that One? Would the system allow something like that to run out of control with "guidiance" by the Oracle? Or a false prophecy?

I think this is why The Oracle says that peace can only last as long as it can. She know's another anomly will appear and in order to control it they'll have to come up with some way to guide it to the source...That being another Prophecy about The One ending the war...but there is no war if Neo did create peace between the two parties.

Eltanky

11-11-2003, 04:05 AM

Yes i am rather new here, but i've got a question.

if the anomoly died why should there be another one. the anomoly only appeared after the matrix was reloaded.

Maybe it's an easy way for the machines to finaly delete the anomoly out of the system.

please don't flame me or anything, or if you don't understand, just ask. but could this be something??

dogisburning

11-11-2003, 05:40 AM

Jdpill,I wonder if you don't even know this,how are you gonna give a review on TV?

The One is an anomaly,who has the special code(random human in the matrix).This is the dude that everyone is looking for.
The Oracle is originaly a program designed to fool the rebels and lead the One to the source to reload the matrix when it's time.
The kid is a person that knew of the matrix,but can't explain what it is,like Neo.Neo frees him(or actually he woke up without help at all).
Sati's purpose,I dunno.They put her in there to show that machines CAN feel love,if not entirely,like humans.

jpdill

11-11-2003, 12:27 PM

Sati comes from the word "seven" in Hindi. If she was The One, she would be the 7th ONE. It seemed to me to be TOO MUCH of a coincidence, especially when Sati isn't really a popular Indian girls name.

Do you see what i'm getting at?

logan350

11-11-2003, 12:29 PM

Yes but I think you should keep this idea to yourself, if you go on the air with this your going to get beat up at school. You could even end up becoming the new "star wars kid" (the vid with the fat guy whirling a mic stand around)

jpdill

11-11-2003, 12:35 PM

I won't be spoiling The Matrix for people watching FFS.

And what's wrong with the INDIAN girl being The One?

Any racial views to think you should confess, Logan?

If not, i want you to post ALL the proof/reasons for Sati NOT being THE ONE. Then i'll post all the reasons why she is...

logan350

11-11-2003, 12:37 PM

Everything comes back to being racial for you doesn't it? It has nothing to do with her being racial. I agree that it's intresting her name means 7 BUT how can she have the one code when it still hadn't been inserted back into the source?

kel thuzad

11-11-2003, 12:39 PM

logan, i remember you saying something about freedom of speech...

Fable

11-11-2003, 12:41 PM

sati is not the next one, she is the next oracle.

logan350

11-11-2003, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by kel thuzad
logan, i remember you saying something about freedom of speech...

Yeah he can post it but I still think it's a bad idea.

jpdill

11-11-2003, 12:51 PM

The Source wasn't in the films...

Also, if she is called "Seven" and in the filmn "Six" 'died' and is gone, doesn't that mean that there should be another "THE ONE'.

There's a ONE for everytime the WAR between HUMANs and MACHINEs happens. Because there is a truce, the new ONE will have to be a programme, because if it was human, it couldn't save the humans if it died.

BUT the ONE will always have a human helper to help her create peace in the REAL world.

If the ORACLE was THE ONE, then the HUMANS of ZION have been her helpers. But THE ONE chose NEO to be her human helper. This person creates peace within outside the Matrix, while the ORACLE creates it inside.

Now, the ORACLE was temporarily missing. THE MATRIX then decided that there needs to new ORACLE to balance out the equation. So it chose SATI to be the ORACLE/ONE. BUT SEEING HOW THE ORACLE SURVIVED AT THE END, THERE ARE NOW TWO ORACLES.

Sati.

This girl then (this is my theory) is half of THE ONE. When the time comes, she will choose a HUMAN (who then becomes an ANOMALY) to help her outside THE MATRIX, as she is a programmes and can't exit the matrix.

kel thuzad

11-11-2003, 12:55 PM

i don't think so...

logan350

11-11-2003, 12:58 PM

Ok this is where I have a problem with you and your ideas. Your using statements from your OTHER ideas to try and prove your newer ideas to be correct. THE ORACLE IS NOT THE ONE, ask anyone else here, and it's not just me saying it. NEO is the One, yes the Oracle helped him and Neo needed her help but that doesn't mean she is the One. You need to get that fact hamered into your head that Neo is and was the 6th One.............NOBODY ELSE!!!!

It's so strange that you'll get one idea wrong and then just build off it with other bad theories. CAN SOMEONE ELSE PLEASE SET HIM STRAIGHT ON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE MATRIX BECAUSE HE WON'T LISTEN TO ME. MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE CAN TRY REASONING WITH HIM.

Can you talk to your dad please about finding you a hobby to save us some sanity.

jpdill

11-11-2003, 01:04 PM

There's no proof saying she IS or she ISN'T.

But i feel Sati is The Oracle for certain - even if being the Oracle isn't being the One.

logan350

11-11-2003, 01:06 PM

Ok so there you just admit it that your idea isn't based off fact it's based off of how you feel.

Which mod did you report me and redpill too? I want to send them your posts also?

redpill

11-11-2003, 01:07 PM

DONT START WELL JUST GET ANOTHER THREAD CLOSED :p

jpdill

11-11-2003, 01:07 PM

I don't mind a response like Kal's, but yours is immature.

Everybody - i'm a kid. Logan is an adult. Would you think it's right that Logan (who knows i'm a child) can insult me? Do you think he should act more like the ADULT he is?

So if he's an adult, why's it CHILDREN (me, spiderman_2k, etc) trying to resolve this problem. If you adults are going to just let it be the responsibility of a pair of KIDs, to me, you are irresponsible too.

logan350

11-11-2003, 01:09 PM

Actually I was asking an honest question, I tried to pm him and his mailbox is full. Aparently now he's trying to get us banned for child abuse. I'm really not sure how that works when he was also making his fair share of comments. The guy has got issues.

jpdill

11-11-2003, 01:09 PM

Ok - hopefully some people will get the message across that it's adults (Logan) messing around with the minds of children (such as myself).

TyRoss

11-11-2003, 01:10 PM

jpdill clean out your PM box

logan350

11-11-2003, 01:11 PM

Um imature 25 year old, thank you. Also one that was antagonized by a brat.

Why don't you answer my statement about what you said about you feeling that Sati is the next One?

jpdill

11-11-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by TyRoss
jpdill clean out your PM box

am i going somewhere? or do you think i should eradicate all remains of 'The Logan Experience'?

redpill

11-11-2003, 01:13 PM

DUDE now your talkin about child abuse !!!!!!!

jdpill how old r u are u old enough to see the matrix??

jpdill

11-11-2003, 01:14 PM

ok - done.

logan350

11-11-2003, 01:15 PM

See this is why the W. brothers needed to finalize everything in Revolutions. People are going to be arguing over stupid stuff on what really happened for years with no resolve.

redpill

11-11-2003, 01:17 PM

how old is jpdill??

matrix was 15 in the uk is he old enough to see it if not i dont think he should be allowed in this forum otherwise!

JUST BEING PETTY

jpdill

11-11-2003, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by redpill
DUDE now your talkin about child abuse !!!!!!!

jdpill how old r u are u old enough to see the matrix??

I'm old enough cos' i look it. They don't even check anyway:

example) when i was 13, i walked into WHSmiths and bought Scary Movie 1. The woman didn't even care that it was an 18, as she had to type in the barcode at the back. The "Check age" sticker was right next to the barcode FCOL.

TyRoss

11-11-2003, 01:17 PM

Ok this matter between jpdill and logan is now closed. End of story. I don't want to see anything else abou tit.

If you don't like one of them then just add them to your ignore list. Simple as that.

I see this start to flame up again and more serious action will be taken.