Spoiler Question, You Have Been Warned

[Superchunk]

Is Neo's physical body dead?
Yes or No and tell us why.

[redpill]

YES BUT NO BUT YES !!!

we can say yes cause hes dead but there are many things that say he isnt!

so iam gonna say no comment i have my own ideas but iam not gonna post to get ***** slapped :P


Ive seen revolutions 12 times now and there are suttle hints to other stuff that could happen :P

[Superchunk]

12times? OOOOK

Let me rephrase the question.

[AnomolyReloaded]

Yes. He sacraficed himself to save everyone else. Other then the very dramatic music and altar like exit for our Hero... the soundtrack has a translation of what is being sung. The part that is playing when we see him is, "From delusion lead me to Truth. From darkness lead me to light. From death lead me to immortality." Also, there was that great shot of Morpheous looking to the Heavens (or ceiling - since they're underground) after Niobe thanks Neo. Of coarse he doesn't know Neo's fate but the shot was put there for a reason.

[redpill]

u gotta look at the whole matrix story as the futures bible
and since neo sacraficed himself there was a cross on his body with light and there was a machine carryin him away that we then saw as a blight light that was shaped like an angel

it took jesus 3 days or somethin to be resurrected so he could possibly come back u never know


just wait 5-10 yrs then there will be a lucas style movie basshin goin on

[AnomolyReloaded]

Whether he'd come back or not is something else altogether. Question is, did he die? Yes. Second time Neo's died. As for returning... maybe in comics or animation or some other Matrix Universe brain child from the brothers. The films are done with, though.

[bingbang]

The answer is no. Everyone else taken over in the matrix was there again when it reloaded. The oracle, seraph, sati so theres no reason why Neo wouldnt have been recovered. Bare in mind that after the giant fight with Smith Neo would be extremely knackered, and thats probably why he was dragged off

[redpill]

yea cause he was tired :P

[Riddle]

Neo's dead. The machines inserted his code (ie. his mind) back into the source. Neo died in the first film, and this death can be called his Ascension (in biblical terms).

And the reason the Oracle said they might see him again is because he is not a part of the Matrix. But he will probably be just another incarnation of the One.

[bingbang]

He's not dead

[redpill]

read the bible stuff if they make more films there will be a way to reserect neo just like jesus!!












IVE NEVER READ THE BIBLE BEFORE U HIT ME WITH IT!!

[bingbang]

Its not exactly like the bible. Sure there maybe references but just cos of that it doesnt mean that everything in the matrix had to be in the bible

[redpill]

well cypher was supposed to be judas who betrayed jesus in the bible and all that stuff and last supper steak = silver,
neo crusafiction monty pyphon! stuff

the original matrix film was released on easter weekend ya da ya da


morpheous is supposed to be john the baptist who in the bible proclaimed the messaiahs coming


an angel carried neo off at the end of revolutions bright lights ya da ya da

[bingbang]

Bright lights there may have been but that doesnt mean:
1) That he's dead
2) That its a reference to the bible

[kel thuzad]

He died like Trinity...In the Matrix they both returned from point of on return...but in the Real World they both died.

[Superchunk]

Hey redpill, can you post the picture of the angel at the end.

[AnomolyReloaded]

Neo is dead. The Oracle told him that once he reached the Source, the path of the One would end. It's over. Like the machines, Neo had a purpose and he did what he had to do.

[jamieroberts1]

hes dead u mongs he died to save zion but he also saved the machines too, so lets just wait for the bull**** explanations as to how he survived death when they make another sequel in 5 years time cause the Bros are pepped...but until then HE DIED SAVING THE WORLD being he was called "the one" it was pretty obvious he was gonna die...and one last thing you ppl comparing this movie to the Bible are truly sad.

[Rain]

He is dead.

Evidence: In Reloaded when Smith tries to copy himself onto Neo, Neo tells Morpheus afterwards that it felt like he was dying. So isn't logical that if Smith did completely copy himself onto Neo, Neo would die. And evidently so would Smith.

[bingbang]

In that case how was the oracle back in the matrix? Shouldnt that mean that every human in the matrix should be dead? Your evidence is flawed

[dogisburning]

She's not human,is she?

[bingbang]

The humans are human. I know we didnt see any of them once the matrix reloaded but I doubt they all died.

Once smith was destroyed everyone that he took over came back to normal. We have no reason to think otherwise

[Lobok]

There is a saying: The flesh is weak, but the spirit is strong. His body is dead. His essence lives on in the machines and the new matrix that was created at the end of the movie.

[Riddle]

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Neo is dead. The machines took his mind and fed it to the source. His body could be alive, but he'd be a vegetable.

[bingbang]

Theres no evidence to support that

[Ghostofzion2003]

sure there is what do you think the whole architect scene was

[Rain]

Originally posted by bingbang
In that case how was the oracle back in the matrix? Shouldnt that mean that every human in the matrix should be dead? Your evidence is flawed

I'm going on the theory that agent smith and neo cancelled each other - thus all other humans/programs are still alive as neither smith or neo cancelled them out, only each other as positive and negative

therefore smith taking over neo would only kill neo and smith - this is what was starting to happen in reloaded "it felt like i was back in that hallway." and what did happen in revolutions

[Lobok]

Think of the human mind as a computer. Their minds had a hacker take control. The hacker was killed and the connection reset. Neo on the other hand had his data transfered and the old shell destroyed after the transfer. We don't know if the data was transfered for sure, but the ending left very little doubt that his body was no longer a viable shell.

[bingbang]

I can see sense in what rain said, + and - cancelling each other out.

Im still not convinced he's dead though

[Superchunk]

Well looking at the results its seems pretty split 50/50 on it.

[todd philip]

HE IS DEAD FOR POOP SAKE!

but his spirit (or code, whichever you believe) will live on inside the matrix.

[AnomolyReloaded]

First, yes, everyone became there normal selfs after Smith was destroyed but Smith taking Neo's body didn't kill him... 01 using Neo to reload the Matrix killed him. He should have died when he first touched the Source but the Oracle says he wasn't ready for that. Well, I'd say by the end he's pretty damn ready.

Second, I've seen people saying that he opens or squints his eyes in the end... what eyes? His eyes were destroyed and even if some part of them were still there he has a cover over them so I don't know how some of you think you see his eyes open.

Laslty, yes Matrix is based on the bible... as well as everyother religious belief. It's also based on anime, comics, philosophy books, etc. It's not just based upon one single thing so impossible to say where it's going or even what the Brothers were really trying to say. But that's what makes it so smart.

[Scythe]

Originally posted by AnomolyReloaded
Laslty, yes Matrix is based on the bible... as well as everyother religious belief. It's also based on anime, comics, philosophy books, etc. It's not just based upon one single thing so impossible to say where it's going or even what the Brothers were really trying to say. But that's what makes it so smart.

:applaud:

Exactly. It's the brothers' whole thing. We will never know the real answers, all we have is opinions and assumptions. The only possible way to find out some answers is if the Wachowskis and Wachowskis only write something else, film or not.

[tiff_t_t]

I can just see it now...

MATRIX: RESURRECTION

soon to be followed by

MATRIX: REVULSIONS

and finally,

MATRIX: TOTALLY GONE RIGHT RETARDED

Ok, that was my caustic way of saying, I think the W's left it open on purpose... there's no right answer, dead or alive... but to tell you the truth, I can't seem to muster up the excitement to care right now. I'm bummed out... The Matrix goes down as a top 5 movie ever, while the sequels go down the poopshute with the Star Wars prequels.

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

It is up to the viewer. There is no set answer...the Wachowski brothers will probably never come out and give a set answer...it is all up to the viewer in question, that is probably how they intended it.

Me? I want Neo to live...and believe he was alive at the end.


Rabbit for example, wants Neo to have died...and believes he died at the end. That is the ending for him. Neo living is the ending for me...it all depends on who is watching it.

[Scythe]

I agree...there is no valid points really. Sure theres a lot of room for arguement, but the ending was the way it was for just that reason probably.

[Riddle]

Come on.....he's dead.

Sati: "Will we ever see him again?"

Oracle: "I think so. Yes, we will actually. I invited him over fo tea. He'll be here any minute. Ah, there he is. Hey Neo, thanks for saving the world and everything!"

Neo: "Hiya, fellas."

Sati: "Look, Neo! I made the sky all colorfull!"

Neo: "Whoa."

Oracle: "Neo, do you think you can speak with some emotion in your voice?"

Neo: "That's impossible."

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

Originally posted by Riddle
Come on.....he's dead.

Sati: "Will we ever see him again?"

Oracle: "I think so. Yes, we will actually. I invited him over fo tea. He'll be here any minute. Ah, there he is. Hey Neo, thanks for saving the world and everything!"

Neo: "Hiya, fellas."

Sati: "Look, Neo! I made the sky all colorfull!"

Neo: "Whoa."

Oracle: "Neo, do you think you can speak with some emotion in your voice?"

Neo: "That's impossible."

lmao! :) From your perspective, yes, he's dead. from mine...he's not...I'm sure that's how the wachowskis intended it, to be up to the viewer.

[Rabbit]

Yes, because he was unjacked without picking up a phone. Simple

[Rabbit]

Originally posted by George Bushs 18th cousin
It is up to the viewer. There is no set answer...the Wachowski brothers will probably never come out and give a set answer...it is all up to the viewer in question, that is probably how they intended it.

Me? I want Neo to live...and believe he was alive at the end.


Rabbit for example, wants Neo to have died...and believes he died at the end. That is the ending for him. Neo living is the ending for me...it all depends on who is watching it.
thats pretty good analysis. However you wanted it to end, it ended. Thats how the bros made it.
Kinda like Total Recall...was it a dream or not?

[Scythe]

I don't think Total Recall confused me even when I saw it when I was 10 years old though hehehe

[Scythe]

dbl post

[Horace Jenkins]

I don't think that Neo ever really existed... he was nothing more than a really awesome program that could go outside of the matrix... so no, he's not dead... he'll just look diffrent when the one is needed again... when the war has begun again, i give it about 200 years...

[Spike2002]

Yes and No, I agree that Neo really is dead, but that it is possible he will return onen day. I think most likely somehow his mind was down-loaded into the Matrix and he will return in a new body.

[hpk37067]

Neo is just code. Mr. Anderson is dead. I think that's the reason Smith never called Neo Neo, just Mr. Anderson.

[TomM]

Neo is alive at the end, but as someone said earlier, he's knackered. Smith overwrote others, but only at the conscious level, just like when he was an agent, and after exiting a body it would return to the original person's control. Neo undid Smith --for the explanation see this link:

http://blogs.salon.com/0001797/2003/11/16.html#a726

and once Smith was undone, all the folks were returned to normal (well, normal for the matrix) otherwise the entire powerplant would have been shut down. Likewise Neo is returned to his body (hence you don't see him when the Oracle is lying in the puddle) and he is alive. Two big clues a) his body is radiating the bright light -- thought patterns compatible with machine thought patterns see the link above-- and b) the W bros even have the Oracle tell the audience (via Sati) that, yes, Neo is ok and will even visit.

BTW, just because Neo "saves the world" doesn't mean he's a Christ figure... this movie was not about Christianity, it was about existentialism -- hence Smith's tirade about "why why why" and the importance of Neo's answer: "I choose to."

Sacrifice for the sake of a larger cause is not a monopoly trademark held by Christianity. Asserting that is just sloppy thinking.

[Vagabit]

The talk before the neo x smith fight

Deus ex machinna: And if you fail?
Neo: I won´t

So, perhaps, neo is not dead, because if the purpose of his insertion in the matrix was "to be killed" by smith, he would have to do nothing important, he would only had to be deleted.

This is one of the reasons I hated this movie.

[Zion101]

i mean it never exactly tells you does it?it the end sati turns to the oracle "do you think well see Neo again?"and she says "i suspect so" this is just after the architect says to her "how long do you expect this peace to last?" Maybe when she says i suspect so she means..he may come back if the war begins again....which it will because in evolution there cannot be 2 superior (or intelligent) species on the planet!Smith talks about this EVOLUTION. its the truth!!!!its common knowledge

[Scythe]

Fact One: Morpheus says in film 1 'The body cannot live without the mind"

Fact Two: Cypher kills his comrades by unjacking them while in the Matrix.

Fact Three: neo is taken over by Smith and then the Smith that was Neo explodes, we never see Neo get to a phone in order to exit...the machine then unjacks him,...the body cannot live without the mind.

[Scythe]

If they Do make a fourth film (god forbid) then an idea would be, a new prophecy where for some reason the greatest of "The Ones" is needed, or the Power of Neo is required to prevent or do something. Morpheus and Niobe would be hitched and not in combat.

The new main character eventually acquires the power and itd be cool if Neo pulled what Smith did by taking over Bane. He lives through the person, and when the new character enters the matrix (the trailers shoudnt reveal this) then they have the physical appearance of Keannu Reeves.

Just a quick thing I made up, i know it wouldnt hold together and the fact his mind still lingers in the Matrix is easily arguable. Just for fun ya know.

[hpk37067]

That would suck. My theory is that there was never a Neo. Just Mr. Anderson. At the end when Neo said that Smith was always right, everything made sense. Neo is non-existant. Mr. Anderson always existed. Neo is just code. When Smith took over Neo, the machines put in a virus that destroyed all the SMiths, hence killing all of them. And the gold things that Neo sees all the time in the real world, its source. Every machine has a bit of source. That's why he could see Smith through Bane. Smith has a bit of source also. That's why he couldn't see anything else.

[Rabbit12]

hmmm....i'm thinkin the positive and negative code idea and they just deleted each other out. when the oracle says "i suspect we will see him again" she probs means in the next one, as it will go in a cycle, as humans just can't seem to trust the machines, meaning our own parinoia destroys us over and over and over.....
i dont think there will b a 4th film......

[Neo Margera]

Neo is not dead phiscally or uuhhhh.....Matrixally. :D