Michael Moore

[T-1G02]

I think is Michael Moore is full of crap. In the doc. "Bowling for Columbine" he says one of the guns came from K-Mart. I read a book call Outgunned which talks about how the kids got the guns. It doesn't metion anything about K-Mart. And about the average gun deaths in the US each, my brother he says took the number from a year that had one of higher amounts of gun deaths, instead of the average. And now quite a few of the Europeans are praising him, and think he's telling the truth about America.

[jediknight]

I totally agree! Michael Moore is on the hollywood train of dissing your own country because its cool.

[T-1G02]

My point, exactly. Like what Susan Surandon and Tim Robbins do all the time.;)

[The Moose]

he's expressing his opinions, and he's allowed to do that. he has the right to free speech

[Tony Montana]

He said the BULLETS were from K-Mart, not weapons!!!

You can twist it as much you want but the fact is: many things arent as people believe or wish it is, others are even worse.

Susan Surandon and Tim Robbins are doing what? Telling what the whole world is thinking and what every intelligent man/woman knows for sure about this war. The fact is that US citizens are mostly uninformed about the current situation in their or foreign countries. Taking everything politicians say for granted is very stupid, and the first time politician starts mixing politics with religion he should be removed...

[T-1G02]

Sorry, I stand corrected. They got the bullets from K-Mart. But as it turns out, it was an 22-year old man who bought the bullets for them. And it's not K-mart who should be in trouble, its should be the older girl who bought the weapons for them. And no Sarandon and Robbins are not. All they have done is whine about the war and President Bush every chance they get, and the Oscars and other film festivals aren't suppost to be places to bring in your politcs. And this isn't about their rights. I hate when people bring in the free speech. This isn't about the right of free speech. The is about whether its morally right.

[T-1G02]

Also two other guys who helped provided the guns also in trouble. K-Mart should have been left out of it.

[Citizen Kane]

My God, I'm tired of everyone bashing Michael Moore all of the the time. In fact, your arguments are in many ways illegitimate. K-Mart is obviously at some fault. I think it's ridiculous to sell bullets at a convenience store. And where did you hear that it was a 22-year old girl? I'm not quite sure it's possible to prove who bought the bullets, unless aid person came forward.
One last thing: anything you folks want to say about Moore being morally unjust in his expression of his feelings...Well, it's a load of grade A bull***, in my opinion. In many ways we should admire Moore, for having the bravery to express his opinions and feelings, even if they are controversial. Michael Moore has a lot to say, and while you may not agree with it, he has the right to say it, goddamn it.
PS: It could actually be argued that Bowling for Columbine is an accurate reflection of our nation because, despite any complaints anyone may have about the authenticity of the doc, it does clearly express the fact that we are a nation that has an unhealthy obsession with guns and their uses, and we have lost control in that respect.

[Knerys]

Moore did set up alot of the those shots though. Effective fimlmaking, but it's not a documentary. And he can state his a opinion.

[Citizen Kane]

I don't know about how much of it was set up, maybe all of it. But still the movie packs a punch.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Does anyone have any intelligent reasons to dislike Moore or do you just dislike him because he talks about America in ways most people don't. We need more people like Moore, whether he's right or wrong he shakes things up and gets people to think.

[neowarrior]

so sorry to say this..but whoevers dissing moore..wake up mate..i mean im sure it must be hard for the average american to see another american saying s*** bout the country and the government..but its true..so accept it.
the average american doesnt know jack about whats going on in the world....youll watch cnn..well duh..thats an american news channel isnt it..what do you think its gonna show....
whatever you say bro...bush s****** up and big time..the only weapons of mass destruction around are the ones americas stockpiling...he hasnt even found one in iraq...hes so full of **** its oozing out of his nose and thats why he probably has that "im stupid" look on his face all the time..
good for moore,he had the b**** and he said what had to be said..and if youre american and you dont like ..well thats your damn problem..deal with it instead of dissing about people who speak true...

[neowarrior]

and by the way read the book:dude where is my country by micheal moore...youll learn some cold heart facts about what bush is really doing

[PsychoMike]

Hey K-mat was at some fault for selling the bullets. They could have been Wal-mart though, in there normal stores they would seel guns an asile away from the toys (I'm not sure if they still do I really haven't shopped at wal-mart in the past few years). What kind of message does this send to kids.

[Tony Montana]

Its hard to except the truth.

A part of US citizens who are living well (means they have a house and a car), and they probably live in some nice neighbourhood, dont want to believe that the majority isnt living like them.

Neowarrior was right, most of the people have no idea of what is going on or why, they just believe what they see on TV between all those games and talk-shows they really like!

Am I the only one who thinks that the intellectual level is decreasing in US?

[yeahyeahyeah73]

IMO people who condemn those who speak out against the war as un-American or anti-patriot are delusional. I absolutely love my country and what it stands for. But not only does that not mean I have to agree with my president, it gives me the right to disagree! As much as I hate to think about it, Bush is our president. I think he's deceitful. But that has nothing to do with America, and my guess is that Michael Moore doesn't hate America either. He hates it when powerful people get away with mind-boggling immoral things. Just my opinion.

[Tony Montana]

You are right with that, but such politicians are voted by dumb and uninformed people!

USA has no democracy at all, 2 major parties who bought are getting payed by the same firms or are involved in some companies themself...

The situation in US is really bad right now. People who not agree and support the war are called traitors and cowards, mostly un-americans... Wasnt "the freedom of speech" something most US citizens were proud of?? That is what most people call fashism.

[Kinjo]

Michael Moore is a fat pile of garbage, and his new book is utter *****. Why would anyone pay money for a book that says nothing but "You'll never make it. You'll never be successful. The government needs to take care of you. Blah blah blah?"Thanks Michael........I'll take my chances on my own....The government can fix my roads. I don't need their help to be a success.

[Tony Montana]

You are the perfect example of people who actually dont understand it at all....

[Kinjo]

Oh then by all means your greatness, explain it to the ignorant peasants.:rolleyes:

[Kinjo]

I also love how people say "Michael Moore has a right to his opinion so shut up and leave him alone." Ok fine......he has a right to his opinion......but somehow we do not? It's my opinion that Michael Moore is an opportunistic dishonest slob. I have a right to state that opinion just as Michael Moore has a right to state his. We have a right to FREE SPEECH in the USA.....that's NOT a right to be free from criticism.

[Tony Montana]

You can state it, no problem with that...

And if you are living good and can afford the basic things for living concider yourself lucky, but not everybody in you country has the same chance.

Many things in US are going straight to hell like foreign policy, missunderstanding the patriotism and actually acting like fashists, social security and enviroment and last: education.

Some of those things have to be pointed on. Im not saying that he is right in every point but all those things he is saying have some (or much) truth in them...

Its a difference in actually not agreeing with someone and STATING SOME FACTS and just bashing or insulting them.

You are as I have already said perfect example of non-brain, egoistical and incredibly uninformed US citizen.

[droidguy1119]

I may have missed it, but Bowling for Columbine DOES NOT SAY that Eric Harris and the other kid bought the guns from K-Mart. They bought the BULLETS from K-Mart.

I do not know why people think he set up his shots -- find me proof and source it and then I'll believe you. Just saying "it looks set up" or "it's so obvious" are definitely NOT acceptable responses.

I liked Bowling for Columbine.

[Kinjo]

Originally posted by Tony Montana
You can state it, no problem with that...

And if you are living good and can afford the basic things for living concider yourself lucky, but not everybody in you country has the same chance.

Many things in US are going straight to hell like foreign policy, missunderstanding the patriotism and actually acting like fashists, social security and enviroment and last: education.

Some of those things have to be pointed on. Im not saying that he is right in every point but all those things he is saying have some (or much) truth in them...

Its a difference in actually not agreeing with someone and STATING SOME FACTS and just bashing or insulting them.

You are as I have already said perfect example of non-brain, egoistical and incredibly uninformed US citizen.


Don't go insulting me as though you know me. You know nothing about me. Because I don't like Michael Moore, I'm a "non-brained uninformed US citizen?" Michael Moore's mentality breeds nothing but underachievers. I'm not saying there aren't people who fall on hard times through no fault of their own, and yes there should be a mechanism to help those people, BUT there is a difference between showing compassion to the unfortunate, and spouting Michael Moore's banter that the average person cannot make it without a great deal of government intervention. That's contrary to the very idea and foundation of America. There is endless opportunity in the United States. I come from a middle class family. We were far from rich. I'm working two jobs to put myself through college. Moore's mentality is that the rich are only rich because they are lucky. That's party true, but the majority of the wealthy in America are first-generation wealthy. They are self-made people: people who took advantage of their individual liberty and made something of themselves. Will everyone who tries be rich? No. But you can make a substantial living if you work hard and are dedicated. Relying on the government to support you amounts to socialism, which is contrary to both liberty and ambition.

[Tony Montana]

Im not rich, but I dont have to have 2 jobs to finish my college or to feed my family, thats the point.

[Kinjo]

What is wrong with working for your goal? I'm perfectly happy working my way through college. I could have gone to a less expensive university, but I'd rather work a little harder and get a better education. I work for an advertising firm during the week. On the weekend, I tend bar. When I graduate and get my degree in advertising, I'll have a leg-up on the competition due to my experience. That's called planning ahead. Who ever said people shouldn't have to WORK for something?

[yeahyeahyeah73]

Originally posted by Kinjo
That's party true, but the majority of the wealthy in America are first-generation wealthy.

Please show us your evidence. The exact opposite is true. Most wealthy people in America are wealthy because they were born that way.

[Tony Montana]

You dont seem to get it dont you... I dont blame you.

[Kinjo]

I think you're misunderstanding the term wealth. From the standpoint of the government, wealthy status starts just below 6 figures of income. As for Tony, all you've done is bash me......without, as you said, stating facts. You keep saying I don't get it. What don't I get? If you embrace socialism.......fine.....just say so. I happen not to embrace the victim mentality. People are not simply entitled to wealth. That's the way capitalism works. Not everyone is economically even. It seems a bit strange to me that you're bashing the current state of my country while thousands of your countrymen are risking their lives to flee Cuba just to have a shot at freedom in America. Cut out the hyperbole and tell me.......what am I not getting?

[Doomsday]

IMO, there are stupid people who are uninformed who say "America is always right" and there are people who say "America is evil" just because you have guys like Tim Robbins and Michael Moore bashing it and making it look cool. I love my country, I see some of the things that aren't making it look too good, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna sit and complain. Besides, the people who complain about our country being so evil do absolutely nothing about it, they ***** and moan, thats all. I guess I am patriotic, if my country ever needed me I would do whatever I can, and even though I don't like some of the people in power doesn't mean I'm just gonna say how bad it is. IMO, people who hate America so much can go hang out in the third world countries and see how much better they like it.

BTW, when it comes to the war, I'm kind of indifferent, but you'll always get people who say WAR IS EVIL no matter what. Even if America was invaded one day, you'd have people going and doing protests saying "war is not the answer." These are the people who I think are ignorant.

[Tony Montana]

Both of you, read my previous posts.

And second, Im not from Cuba, Im from Serbia and I know very well that every war is fought because of money!

[IdahoMR2man]

Doomsday brings up some good points. Especially the last bit.

However, you said that people who don't like America should go to a third world country. Ok. We all know living in America is better than living anywhere else in the world. HOWEVER, that doesn't make everything America does A-Ok.

[droidguy1119]

I don't think Michael Moore is bashing America with Bowling, he's just saying that we're out of control and something should be done.

Just because a lightbulb burns out and we point out that someone should fix it doesn't mean we think the whoever owns the light fixture sucks, and that they should be punished for not replacing it -- it's just something to think about.

[Iben]

Originally posted by IdahoMR2man
Ok. We all know living in America is better than living anywhere else in the world. hmmmm...no.

[Tony Montana]

Originally posted by IdahoMR2man
We all know living in America is better than living anywhere else in the world.

No, and thats the point.

[ambrosia]

Originally posted by IdahoMR2man
Ok. We all know living in America is better than living anywhere else in the world.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there also, bud, for more reasons than I care to list.

[redman]

idaho's gonna get bashed for that statement.:D

I dont think u can really make that statement idaho, until u've lived elsewhere in the world.

Im not going to comment on the US cause i could write about a zillion pages about why i love and hate it.

[Doomsday]

Originally posted by IdahoMR2man


However, you said that people who don't like America should go to a third world country. Ok. We all know living in America is better than living anywhere else in the world. HOWEVER, that doesn't make everything America does A-Ok.

Well what I meant was that a lot of people, both conservative and liberal, take a lot of their freedoms for granted. If they have nothing to do but complain about America, then they should check out those countries and see how lucky they really are.

[Kinjo]

Fair enough I suppose, tho I will have to agree that America is a damn fine place to live. I've been all over the world and never found a place I'd rather live...England, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, Australia, Bosnia, Croatia.....the list goes on.....All these places are beautiful, but give me the US over any of them any day.

[ambrosia]

Originally posted by Kinjo
Fair enough I suppose, tho I will have to agree that America is a damn fine place to live. I've been all over the world and never found a place I'd rather live...England, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, Australia, Bosnia, Croatia.....the list goes on.....All these places are beautiful, but give me the US over any of them any day.

That's your personal opinion and that's fine. :)

[rzrbks]

A child loves it's mommy unconditionally,

"Don't say anything bad about my mommy or I will cry."

An adult loves with an eye towards sharing and improving,

"I love you enough to help you become a better person."

Now, let's see if the "Don't bash my country" folks can understand.

[Doomsday]

Originally posted by rzrbks
A child loves it's mommy unconditionally,

"Don't say anything bad about my mommy or I will cry."

An adult loves with an eye towards sharing and improving,

"I love you enough to help you become a better person."

Now, let's see if the "Don't bash my country" folks can understand. :confused:

[rzrbks]

Doomsday

:confused:

Mature love is based on knowing that nothing but God is perfect and therefore you help someone/something (like your country, for instance) solve their problems and become better.

Childish love is based on the belief that whatever it is you love is perfect, just like God/Goddess, and doesn't need to be helped/improved.

[Doomsday]

Ohhhhhh gotcha! That's a good point you make.

[m00se]

Originally posted by jediknight
I totally agree! Michael Moore is on the hollywood train of dissing your own country because its cool.
I would have to say that everyone joined that train, mainly because of him. He started it, and they should make him king. Maybe he's really God.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Citizen Kane
K-Mart is obviously at some fault. I think it's ridiculous to sell bullets at a convenience store.

*achem*

Ridiculous - that's your opnion, which you can have. Illegal if sold to someone over 21? No. So, unless they actually did sell the bullets to the shooters, or an underage accompice, how could they be at fault?

That would be like us filling a prescription for a dying grandma's Oxycontin - then her grandchild steals some, melts the pills, shoots them up, and dies of heart failure - and WE, the drugstore - get sued!

[Tony Montana]

Selling bullets in convinient store and to kids cant be compared with children stealing pills... ridicilous.

[rzrbks]

Tony Montana

Selling bullets in convinient store and to kids cant be compared with children stealing pills... ridicilous.

No, Tony, you're wrong. It makes perfect sense. Free Interprise System. Sell whatever it is that the public wants and is willing to buy.

That is what Prez. and his people want. Free Market System says give the people what they want and let the companies fight it out....except for Haliburton, and Enron, and Eli-Lily, and....well let eveyone except the really big companies and really rich people fight it out...you know like Bush did............

oooh, I forgot, Jr.'s daddy's friends bought his bankrupt businesses from Bush Jr. so that Jr. made a profit.......Well that doesn't change Anything--the free market system will work if you people will just give it a chance

[Tony Montana]

That is a great reason to be proud of being american now...

[rzrbks]

With Apologies to John Lenon


"All we are saying, is that money gives you the chance"

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Tony Montana
Selling bullets in convinient store and to kids cant be compared with children stealing pills... ridicilous.

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
So, UNLESS they actually did sell the bullets to the shooters, or an underage accompice, how could they be at fault?


Reading is good. For all I know, K-Mart DID do that....if they did - crucify them. If not....then let them conduct their business how they like!

[zamphir66]

bit off the cuff here, but i think higher education and health care should be free. i shouldn't have to pay money in order to live. If i pull a guy out of a flooded river, i dont expect him to pay me.

did you know that gasoline really costs about 5-6 u.s dollars a gallon, but government subsidies hold the price at the pump down to 1.50. if something's cheap, people will inevitably think there' lots of it. well there isn't it.

I'm a history major as well as an english major, and i subscribe to the philosophy of 'realpolitik', essentially that morality and politics don't mix. Nations do terrible things, they always have, they always will, get over it.

i know that this is comingsoon.net. So why did i make a clearly political post. Because the revolution is...COMING SOON! mwahahahahahahahaha!!!!

[Kyle Katarn]

Uhhh...may I suggest starting a topic in the Community section? :)

[Tony Montana]

Michael Moore is standing up for the right thing. He is not lying and the best proof for that is that he WASNT SUED at all by anyone (NRA, George W. or the rest of the gang), although they are suing everyone else they can when they can... think about it!!!

Just read more about the history of USA (last 50 years!!) and you will see who was supporting all those dictators and who is responcible for many millions dead people...

[rzrbks]

Tony Montana

War is God's way of teaching America geography

I wouldn't go that far. I would rephrase it to say.

"War is God's way of teaching geography to the U.S.":applaud:

[sunflower03]

i happen to enjoy history and read a lot of it, including the last 50 years, and the united states, was not responsible for all these dicators.

[rzrbks]

sunflower03

i happen to enjoy history and read a lot of it, including the last 50 years, and the united states, was not responsible for all these dicators.

might want to check again, Henry Ford and Rockefeller and Prescott Bush all gave money to Hitler(check Holocaust museums) and U.S.(Reagan and Bush) gave money and support to bunches of other folks including Sadam Hussein

[Kyle Katarn]

I gotta wonder.....the Northern Alliance that we've allied with in Afghanistan....who's to say they may not become a threat somewhere down the road, eh?

[redman]

its gotta be pretty embarrassing knowing that the US has funded both saddam and the taliban.

[rzrbks]

redman

its gotta be pretty embarrassing knowing that the US has funded both saddam and the taliban.

The finest allies that money can buy;)

For a time, at least:rolleyes:

[T-1G02]

Guys, K-Mart didn't sell the bullets to the kids. They sold them to the older guys who sold the bullets and the guns to the kids. That's like a store selling beer to someone who is over 21, and then the 21-year old sells to under-age kids. Should the store get in trouble for that.

[Tony Montana]

Yes, what the **** are bullets doing in K-Mart at the first place??!!!

[Doomsday]

I may be completely wrong, it's just a shot in the dark, but I think the people at Wal-Mart had the bullets there because....oh I dunno, I guess they were trying to sell them. Last time I heard bullets were legal.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Doomsday
I may be completely wrong, it's just a shot in the dark, but I think the people at Wal-Mart had the bullets there because....oh I dunno, I guess they were trying to sell them. Last time I heard bullets were legal.

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[Tony Montana]

Originally posted by Doomsday
I may be completely wrong, it's just a shot in the dark, but I think the people at Wal-Mart had the bullets there because....oh I dunno, I guess they were trying to sell them. Last time I heard bullets were legal.

That is the problem! Selling bullets in weapon store is ok but in convinient store next to milk and other stuff? Sick...

[Kyle Katarn]

You have to go through a salesperson to get them as they are kept under lock and key....you can't bloody well walk up and grab it off the shelf like you can "milk and other stuff..."

[Tony Montana]

My point is that bullets are made for killing and they should not be selled in stores like Wal Mart but in special weapon stores.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Tony Montana
My point is that bullets are made for killing

Not neccesarily....I've gone through several hundred - probably over a thousand - bullets and haven't killed anything or anyone. In many hours of target shooting in my backyard.

Anyway, you have to be over 21 to buy bullets, if you get them at a gun store OR at Wally World...so what's the difference?

[m00se]

Originally posted by rzrbks
A child loves it's mommy unconditionally,

"Don't say anything bad about my mommy or I will cry."

An adult loves with an eye towards sharing and improving,

"I love you enough to help you become a better person."

Now, let's see if the "Don't bash my country" folks can understand.
I wrote a paper about exactly that, but I replaced "mommy" with the Red Sox because... it's basically the same thing. It's all ridiculous.

[JimmyDean]

What's with the blasting of Moore, a proud-member of the NRA? He isn't against guns, or the owning of guns, from what I know. The point of Bowling for Columbine was to find an answer to the reason why America has such a high death total. He explores many issues, guns, racism, poor neighborhoods, entertainment, our past, etc, and does so legitimently, providing solid facts, and meanwhile, made a very entertaining and affecting film.

The only problem I have was the interview with Heston, whom was obviously made out to be an old, racist bastard who cares about no one and nothing, when it's well-know he marched with Martin Luther King Jr. and for Civil Rights during the 60s.

The problem is, yes, it is easy to get a gun, but it's also much easier to get bullets. Just walk into a K-Mart and you're done, simple as that, no background check, nothing. That easy, and it should be, no way. If you're going to sell bullets, it should be done in a more thought-out, responsible way. Key word, responsible.

[Doomsday]

Well you can't use a bullet without a gun, and if I remember correctly those are a bit harder to obtain.

[ip_guru]

There are lots of issues going on in this thread, but I wanted to briefly respond to the point of support for different individuals and governments over the years...



I do not buy this argument at all. I think the world is a massive place, where each country and the leaders of each country make their choices in their best interests at the time. To think that any one nation or set of leaders somehow is above looking out for their own country is, in my opinion, naive.

Governments are designed to protect their interests. It makes no difference if we are talking the US, Europe, Asia, whatever. Japan looks out for Japan first, England looks out for England first, the US looks out for the US first, Austria looks out for Austria first.

Since we are an interconnected global world, each country/government will at one time or another do business with nearly every other country/government. When you move to a country/government the size of the US, we do business with just about every other country in the world. If you take the EU, and it joins together as some have envisioned, then the EU will also do business with nearly every other country and government.

When the EU gets there, and it will pretty soon, does the EU have some sort of system for knowing the future? Will the EU be able to tell what all the countries and leaders they do business with today will do with the knowledge, technology, supplies, or other systems that are gained during these transactions in the future? Of course not. The EU will conduct business in the best interest (with as much insight as can be gained at the time) of the EU.

It is no different with an individual country, such as Austria. Austria will conduct business in the best interest of Austria first. They will make the best choices they can, and let history take its course. Hindsight is always 20/20. It is always easy to look back and say “See look there is Rumsfield actually face-to-face with Saddam, even shaking his hand!”

Let’s see that was 1982, has anything changed in the world since then? Has the history and actions of people in the Middle East changed towards the west in any way in the last 20 years? Saddam came to power in 1979, three years earlier. His primary attacks against the Kurds came between 1983 and 1987. He invaded Kuwait in 1990. Was the US to somehow know that in 1979 when he came to power?

I will not judge the US for actions of others. I will judge others for the actions of others. We are currently doing trade and business with almost every other country on the planet. If some leader decides to become hostile, that is his choice. If some country decides to take actions, that is their choice. If those actions or hostilities are turned towards the US, then we have no choice other than a response.

Even with our difficulties, we are currently supporting Germany, France, and Russia. Am I supposed to blame the US if a leader comes to power there, such as Russia, and attacks the West? We are doing business with Austria, if a leader in Austria in the future decides to attack the West, should I blame the US?

Upon coming into power, the people loved Hitler. They could not see the future. Once it became clear what Hitler was about, are we to go back and blame all the people that loved him? No, we realize that as people, the best decisions are made at the time, with the best information available.

Yes, we did business with Saddam in the past. We also did business with Germany before the World Wars, were they (the World Wars) the fault of the US? We (the US) did business with England before the War of Independence, was that a reason not to fight for independence? Austria-Hungary did business with Germany prior to the World Wars, and most likely did business directly with Hitler (I’d have to look it up, but I am quite sure of this.) Should I blame what Hitler did on Austria? Of course not, I cannot do that.

This went a bit longer than I intended, but the point to me is simple. The blame for action or inaction, in my opinion, lies on the shoulders of the country or leader that is responsible for making the decisions, not a person of country in their past.

[sunflower03]

walmart isn't a convience store, it is a department store. i am not saying whether or not bullets should be sold, there i am not getting in to it. but walmart isn't a gas station.

[JimmyDean]

Originally posted by Doomsday
Well you can't use a bullet without a gun, and if I remember correctly those are a bit harder to obtain.

Even if that was true, then shouldn't bullets be just as hard? Why sell bullets at your local K-Mart if it's a hard task to get yourself a gun? Doesn't make much sense to me.

And yes, it may take a while for the waiting period to get a gun from your local shop, but on the streets, not quite so. A night on the town can provide quite the amount of firing power. Quite scary, if you ask me.

[Doomsday]

Well I use guns a lot for hunting and sport, and if bullets were just as hard to get, the industry would plummet. And the bullets bring in a lot of business for places like K-Mart and Big 5 especially during hunting seasons. Besides, bullets don't kill people. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

[sunflower03]

somebody mentioned that the government holds the price of gas down, but i don't think they understand that not everyone lives in new york city, were their is public transportation. so if someone, lives in new york city, and doesn't want to own a car, or can't afford to, they a real alternative to owning a car.

i live in a really smalltown, and don't have access to public transportation on a regular basises. should people, who don't live in big cities be punished.

[jpdill]

He's cool.

[Peter]

Originally posted by Kinjo
Fair enough I suppose, tho I will have to agree that America is a damn fine place to live. I've been all over the world and never found a place I'd rather live...England, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, Australia, Bosnia, Croatia.....the list goes on.....All these places are beautiful, but give me the US over any of them any day. I know I reply to this post somewhat late!!! But I've been to lots of countries as well - including Germany, Sweden, Norway, France, Australia, New Zealand - and I do of course live in Denmark. Furthermore I have just spend 4 months living in the US. From my experience I can say that I'll rather live in most of those countries than in the US.