supposed hobbit info

[downflow311]

this was posted by a guy over in the movies coming soon thread.

6. Sources say that a script is already being written for a movie adaption of "The Hobbit", looking for a 2006- early 7 release. Iam Holm will reprise his role as bilbo (scary isn't it?), but Peter Jackson will not direct, but produce. The shocking thing about this news is that sources say Elijah Wood might take the helm, while Jackson is using his mind to help with writing.

sounds like a crappy rumour what do you guys think? heres the link in case you want it:

http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17805

what do you think of this jedi?

[Code Red]

I think it would have been good if they released the hobbit first. So people can understand what the TTT was about.

[Slipknot]

yes... it would have been great if The Hobbit came out before... i hope that the old Bilbo isnt a younger Bilbo in 2006... it just doesnt make sense.

[downflow311]

ummm i wouldnt take this as truth you guys. dont you think this sounds too far-fetched?

[Screwu2]

didnt the Hobbit come out after the LOTR books. That is prob pure and utter bs i think. Jackjson would be the only one that would be fit to direct this.

[Slipknot]

yes it is far fetched but with LOTR making all that money i cant think not that The Hobbit wont be made... New Line is like any of the companies... they want to make money. But i do think this is a lie... but who knows.

[Morgoth]

'The Hobbit' came out before the LoTR books

I don't give much creedence to this rumour, I've been hearing about 'The Hobbit' movies ever since LoTR started filming. It is a popular rumour, but I won't hold my breath.

[adt100]

I would fully agree with the comment about it being just a 'crappy rumour' downflow.

If there was anything like that going on, then I'm pretty sure that we'd be aware of it by now in this firum, rather than it just appearing in the 'Movies Coming Soon' forum. We've heard plenty of rumours this past year regarding The Hobbit, and all the official reports have contradicted these claims.

Come to think of it I've just remembered, New Line don't even have the rights to The Hobbit, that's why any thoughts of making it originally were bypassed in order to go straight into LOTR.

[downflow311]

who does have the rights to the hobbit?

[adt100]

I don't know, google might.

[Morgoth]

Film rights for 'The Hobbit' belong to Saul Zaentz if I recall. He produced the Bakshi version of LoTR. UA/MGM have the distribution rights.

[adt100]

"J.R.R. Tolkien sold the film and merchandising rights for The Hobbit to United Artists in 1966. At some point afterward, United Artists in turn sold the rights and Saul Zaentz eventually acquired them. Zaentz set up Tolkien Enterprises, a division of the Saul Zaentz Company, in 1977 to administer the rights for both The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. All film, radio, stage, and television adaptations since that time appear to have been licensed from Tolkien Enterprises.

MGM/United Artists apparently owns the distribution rights for "The Hobbit". It has been alleged that a script for The Hobbit has been circulating at MGM/UA but they are not moving forward with the project because they do not own production rights."

[Gandollum]

How much would it be to buy the prouction rights for The Hobbit, im pretty sure NL has a deal with Tolkein Enterprises.

[scifi guy]

If this was true(which its not) and Pj isn't directing, i'd rather see Sean Astin direct instead of Elijah. at least Sean has a little bit of experience directing

[Marvin Nash]

NO! NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!

After the Long and the Short of it I hope Astin never directs again.

[Gandollum]

Hmm, Im thinking of the best people who should make the Hobbit. It would be great to have Steven Spielberg or Ridley Scott make it. Both are great story tellers and visual directors.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by Marvin Nash
NO! NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!

After the Long and the Short of it I hope Astin never directs again.

i agree. i shut it off about 5 mins into it. worst short film ive ever seen.

[Gandollum]

Originally posted by downflow311
i agree. i shut it off about 5 mins into it. worst short film ive ever seen.

Yeah, it was pretty weird, i was expecting some dialogue or even a story, but it turned out to be a crappy silent film.

[downflow311]

hey gandollum, are you planning on changing your signature every day to keep up with that countdown? that would be alot of work!

[Cloud Buster]

Movie rights for The Hobbit, as many of you well know, are on hiatus as Universal bought rights to a the Hobbit movie a long time ago, but New Line owns the rights to the LOTR franchise. As it stands now, Universal couldn't make it b/c New Line would say it's part of the LOTR franchise, and NL couldn't make it b/c the Hobbit is owned by Universal.

This is a crappy rumor.

[downflow311]

so are they going to keep bickering at each other for years or is someone going to step up to the plate. im sure neither studio wants to give up.

[The Moose]

i think that it's just a rumour. i think that elijah directing is just a bit too wierd. also, it wouldn't just be jackson writing, but also Fran Walsh and maybe Phillipa Boyens and maybe even Stephen Sinclair

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Marvin Nash
NO! NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!

After the Long and the Short of it I hope Astin never directs again.
Yeah... I couldnt take it, the Italian music was horrible... man it was bad... i guess there could be worse short films tho.

[Cloud Buster]

Originally posted by downflow311
so are they going to keep bickering at each other for years or is someone going to step up to the plate. im sure neither studio wants to give up.

I wouldn't put it past New Line / Universal to co-distribute such a film, but not for a long time. At this point in time, both parties would respond with "Why should I share the profits from a franchise I clearly have exclusive rights to?". Give it ten years, interest in the LOTR trilogy will be rekindled, and the demand for a Hobbit movie will be much higher, and more profitable an idea for New Line / Universal to co-operate on.

The only other possibility is New Line buying out Universal's rights for "The Hobbit". Again, don't expect it anytime soon because Universal wouldn't sell it cheap, and New Line probably couldn't justify spending that amount of money to cut the profits from any potential film that comes from the deal by a signifigant amount, especially considering that after "The Hobbit", there will be no major residual Tolkien projects with which you can count on "Hobbit" generating interest for.

[Queen Arwen]

It's on TORn, guys. Simply pure and utter bs, as ScrewU2 so delicately put it.

[The Moose]

but as far as i can tell, that stuff over at TORN is only rumoured

[Gandollum]

Originally posted by downflow311
hey gandollum, are you planning on changing your signature every day to keep up with that countdown? that would be alot of work!

LOL, yeah, it doesnt take too long to change it, i was actually going to count down the movie in a thread, but it didnt actually work, the thread would have been too long. And plus its kinda nice counting it down, i just cant wait till its says "return of the king in 1 day."

[The Moose]

that will be cool, for all of us

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

I don't buy it one bit...

1)Like it has just been stated, the rights to the hobbit are still in owned Universal, that has to be resolved first.

2) Elijah is a great person, he's no way ready to command an entire production. Sean Astin actually would have been more believeable.


3) PJ's writing team is busy with KING KONG at the moment.


4) King Kong is due out 2004 or 2005, so that would leave no time to film this movie.

5) WETA work shop will be busy with not only KING KONG, but also the VFX on the THE LION, WITCH and the WARDROBE. Which is the first film based on the Narnia chronicles by CS Lewis.



If there will be a film based on THE HOBBIT, it won't happen for a while. I still believe in order to get PJ to really consider it, first NL must buy the rights from UNIVERSAL. Second, KING KONG must be a success at the box office that way he will in return thank his fans by deciding to make the Hobbit. Also Ian Mckellen and Ian Holm must keep their interest in the roles, if one drops out then the whole thing will fall.

[Gandollum]

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
If there will be a film based on THE HOBBIT, it won't happen for a while. I still believe in order to get PJ to really consider it, first NL must buy the rights from UNIVERSAL. Second, KING KONG must be a success at the box office that way he will in return thank his fans by deciding to make the Hobbit. Also Ian Mckellen and Ian Holm must keep their interest in the roles, if one drops out then the whole thing will fall.

Im pretty sure King Kong will be a success, crosses fingers, but in terms of cast, are you sure Ian Holm will be in the Hobbit, i think it would be better if they casted a much younger actor for Bilbo.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Yeah, Ian Holm has not only said publicly, but also told PJ that he wants to play Bilbo in the hobbit and I don't think PJ would deny him.

[The Moose]

neither, to put it into a word

[adt100]

Just off topics a moment, I actually thought 'The Long and The Short of it' was a pretty good short film. You don't have to have a huge action packed feature to make a ood piece of film-making. Oh, and the Italian music was very good too. :p

[The Moose]

once again, i am thinking along the same lines as oyu adt100. some of the people out there don't understand it totally, (i don;t think)(well, bot to certain levels)

[downflow311]

i just felt like i was watching sprockets. ya know that skit mike meyers did when he was still on SNL. they always showed weird ass short films on that.

[Fanible]

In one of the last interviews with PJ regarding wether or not he would be doing the Hobbit, he said he has other films in mind that he'd rather do first. He also said though that he would probably be working with New Line, because right now they hold the rights to the name and film release.

Unless Universal bought it from New Line, New Line has already bought it from them, because that was months back when he said New Line currently has the rights.

This was also before Ian Mckellen was urging Jackson to do the Hobbit though, and Ian Holmes saying he'd like to do the role. So it could be said that Jackson would atleast help with it sooner, than later as he had once said.

But I don't think he'll be directing. He said he sees it like it's his creation, but he'd also like to not be in the directors chair, and just simply watch the movie rather than making it. So simply producing the film is possible. I doubt he'll ever direct it.

Oh, and I enjoyed the Long and Short Of It. But wether or not you liked the little sentimental story of it, or the amazing music peice, it did prove he can direct. He did a fine job. Him directing has nothing to do with the little story he wrote in one day, which I thought was perfectly fine sentimental entertainment. Im not suprised some of the "guys" are dissing it. I'd also prefer Sean doing it as oppose to Elijah, considering the age and experience difference.

[MovieWes]

Yeah, I heard a long time ago, 8 months at least, that New Line had acquired the rights to "The Hobbit."

I also read in a magazine last month (I think it was Premiere) that PJ said that he would likely return to do "The Hobbit" sometime in the near future. He has other projects that he wants to do first. I heard that he was directing a WWI epic after "King Kong."

[The Moose]

PJ has been wanting to do a WW1 epic for quite a while, and LOTR he saw would give him the reputation to get the funding, but now he has KK to do. i think that after KK he will do some WW1 piece, and then he may bo the hobbit in some capacity. if he doesn't firect, i would like to see Astin direct. he got an oscar nomination for a film he did a few years back, which is real proof that he can direct

[Cbars]

Also, Ian Holm has been ill recently, and he is getting pretty old, I doubt he would be able to do it. 2006-2007 is quite a ways away.

[Dogbert0228]

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
I don't buy it one bit...

1)Like it has just been stated, the rights to the hobbit are still in owned Universal, that has to be resolved first.

2) Elijah is a great person, he's no way ready to command an entire production. Sean Astin actually would have been more believeable.


3) PJ's writing team is busy with KING KONG at the moment.


4) King Kong is due out 2004 or 2005, so that would leave no time to film this movie.

5) WETA work shop will be busy with not only KING KONG, but also the VFX on the THE LION, WITCH and the WARDROBE. Which is the first film based on the Narnia chronicles by CS Lewis.



If there will be a film based on THE HOBBIT, it won't happen for a while. I still believe in order to get PJ to really consider it, first NL must buy the rights from UNIVERSAL. Second, KING KONG must be a success at the box office that way he will in return thank his fans by deciding to make the Hobbit. Also Ian Mckellen and Ian Holm must keep their interest in the roles, if one drops out then the whole thing will fall.

Thanks for shutting people up about The Hobbit. While it would be cool to see, there a number a factors which people seem to not consider before spouting out these things and then expecting someone to believe them...

As for the plausibility of seeing The Hobbit brought to film by PJ... You say it won't happen for a while... I think it can happen, but if not right after PJ completes King Kong, then not at all. I don't know if New Line would take the time and money of aquiring the rights (I too thought this had yet to be done...) unless PJ told them he was passionate about making The Hobbit, and had the ideas already worked out... They also may not consider it if King Kong turns into a flop... (unlikely the success of King Kong would be THE determining factor, because with The Hobbit, PJ would simply be adapting a book, and one by an author and of a genre he's CLEARLY proven he can adapt well...) But my main reason for thinking The Hobbit would have to be made immediately after KK is the age and both Ian Holm and Ian McKellan. I don't think either one would loose interest, but they aren't getting younger, and makeup and computer tricks can only go so far...

Interesting how PJ chose to keep the entire Bag End set constructed rather and put in into storage in pieces... This film is something I think is on PJ's mind, but won't be decided, of course, till after King Kong. There's a lot to support this film happening, the least of which is the HUGE fan support, but let's enjoy ROTK, see King Kong, and find out if Ian and Ian (as well as PJ himself) feel up to it, and take it from there.

Oh, and 'The Magician's Nephew' is the first book in the Narnia chronicles, and 'The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe' has been adapted to film in the past, as well as another one of the Narnia books which is escaping my memory at the moment...

[The Moose]

PJ has said that he bought the bag end set for his own use. he said that he would like to live in ahobbit hole one day. that may be his use for it, then again, it is used in the hobbit