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Aztec
09-10-2003, 06:54 PM
Well here's a topic that no one has touched upon yet:

Was Jason redeemed at the end of Freddy vs. Jason?

I say that he was. Here is my argument why:

1) Jason was clearly portrayed as a sympathetic villian. This can be seen in the following ways:
a) It is revealed that Jason's thirst for blood stems from his desire to please his mother. Freddy took advantage of this and disguised himself as Jason's mother and thus Jason's new killing spree began. This fits because Jason's origin story involved his mother using some kind of evil magic to resurrect him and send him on his merry murderous way. Apparently it drove her crazy enough to kill too. Thus it is at least hinted that Jason, being a retarded child at heart, really may not know any better. And thus he is killing because his mother told him that it is the right thing to do. While, Freddy on the other hand is killing for his own sense of enjoyment.
b) The portrayal of the Camp Crystal Lake drowning sequence in Jason's nightmare, clearly portrayed him as an abused, scared, and helpless little boy.
c) He was deceived by Freddy into doing his dirty work, and judging by his reaction he was none too happy. So again it is revealed that Jason is not killing for pleasure.

2) IMHO Jason was not only trying to kill Freddy in the end but save the female lead from being killed. Remember she tried to save him from Freddy during his nightmare. Also if you remember the stare Jason and the female lead shared just before he died. It hinted that some kind of bond was formed.

Although it can certainly be argued that Jason just wanted to make sure that Freddy was dead.

With this in mind, I feel that Yu & co. were trying to create a villian redemption ending to this movie. The best example is how Darth Vader (the villian in the first two and a half movies) redeemed himself by killing the true villian, by saving someone he cared for.

The more I think about it, F vs. J was truly a fantastic movie and not just a fantastic "slasher" movie. The writers actually made me feel sympathy towards an unstoppable zombie killing machine! Nice work.

Mr.Matinee
09-10-2003, 11:56 PM
Pretty good theory,I'd have to agree with you on that.

Grindie
09-11-2003, 07:57 AM
Maybe you thought a bit too much into it. It was just a pointless kill 'em up. I'm not saying that i was bad, i quite liked it... well, the second half of it anyway.

Spike2002
09-11-2003, 03:04 PM
I totally agree with you, Jason (to me) seemed like the real "good guy" in the movie, and the hero in my opinion. Maybe in his own way Jason did find some form of redemption (although I don't think it's enough to forgive all he's done), and that last shot with Laurie (the lead female role) was really sympathetic and there was a real bond in my opinion. And if you remember Jason shoved Freddy's hand right into Freddy just as Freddy was a bout to kill Laurie.......thus saving her life!!! :eek:

Besides if there was no bond why would Laurie give Jason back his machete?:rolleyes:

Also, your right Jason doesn't really know better, he's just killing out of respect for his mom, but also remember Jason may be still out for revenge cause he knows that the counselors weren't watching him when he drowned (maybe his mom told him :cool:).

Kris Hodgson
09-11-2003, 03:09 PM
I agree with you on some points and disagree on others. Jason clearly was the good guy between him and Freddy, but he was still a relentless killing machine. If he hadn't dropped into the water at the end, after cutting off Freddy's head, he would have kept on killing. Look at what he did to Kelly Rowland. He didn't have to kill her, but he wanted to.

Let's just say he was the lesser of two evils.

scifi guy
09-11-2003, 03:18 PM
"Let's just say he was the lesser of two evils."-
Kris Hodgson

Yeah, Jason is really evil. But Freddy is far far worse. He really tortured Jason emotionally

Aztec
09-11-2003, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Kris Hodgson
I agree with you on some points and disagree on others. Jason clearly was the good guy between him and Freddy, but he was still a relentless killing machine. If he hadn't dropped into the water at the end, after cutting off Freddy's head, he would have kept on killing. Look at what he did to Kelly Rowland. He didn't have to kill her, but he wanted to.

Let's just say he was the lesser of two evils.

There's no question that Jason's actions were/are evil. So we have no disagreement there. I just feel that Jason realized that he was a tool of evil and attempted to somehow set it right by saving Laurie.

You make a fair argument about Kelly Rowland; but I feel that Jason's bond with Laurie, and the idea of her being killed, is what gave him that last ounce of energy to rise from the water and kill Freddy.

scifi guy
09-11-2003, 03:54 PM
i disagree. I think Jason feels no compation for anybody including Laurie. I think the reason Jason came from the water is that he just wanted to get one more hit on Freddy.

spiderman_2k
09-11-2003, 03:55 PM
As do I

cg124
09-11-2003, 04:47 PM
I know jason is a killing machine but he felt like a hero sometimes in this movie

Spike2002
09-12-2003, 04:52 PM
Agreed.......

Kris Hodgson
09-12-2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by scifi guy
i disagree. I think Jason feels no compation for anybody including Laurie. I think the reason Jason came from the water is that he just wanted to get one more hit on Freddy.

Exactly right.

Pablo
09-17-2003, 12:54 AM
He was just more pissed at Freddy than at Laurie and Will, but if he hadn't been so injured he would have killed them too.

TheBatman_9
09-18-2003, 11:35 PM
i agree. i didn't sense any bonds. jason looked at laurie as he sank but i didn't think there was much to it. i think she threw the machette as a way of saying..."its over" not because she felt something for him. i like what the other dude said, he's the lesser of two evils. i don't think jason can comprehend redemption.