T4 - on its way says filmmakers.... [Archive]

mastertips03

08-09-2003, 12:23 PM

Even if the terminator wins the governorship of California there will be a T4 says the producers of the terminator 3 film. Arnold might be replaced in the lead though. Don't know whether that is a good idea. But who could replace arnold as the terminator. :)

JackSparrowsGrl

08-09-2003, 02:38 PM

awesome! i cant wait for it to come out!! I dont know who can replace arnie but i am still glad they are making another one!

spiderman_2k

08-09-2003, 03:20 PM

Here is the direct quote from the CS! main page...I already made a page on this in the Terminator forum..

Moritz Bormann, CEO of the German-based Internationalmedia, producers of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, says there could be another sequel even if Arnold Schwarzenegger succeeds in becoming governor of California.

"If we come up with a good story, there will be a fourth Terminator -- with or without Arnold," Bormann said. Schwarzenegger is currently leading the polls.

Bormann said he had discussed Schwarzenegger's political ambitions with him during the filming of "Terminator 3" and had thought of alternatives should Schwarzenegger win the election.

Another actor could play Arnold's Terminator character or Schwarzenegger could make his appearances in flashback scenes

anma22

08-09-2003, 03:34 PM

It would be cool if arnie had a cameo on the film.

spiderman_2k

08-09-2003, 03:42 PM

Thats all that is needed...No more Arnie protecting John....

EnderDeschain

08-09-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Thats all that is needed...No more Arnie protecting John....

I agree with you completely, Spidey2K. You said in another thread somewhere that if Arnold returns, it should be as the bad guy. That's great thinking. It's almost flipping around what they did with T2. Everyone's so used to seeing the warm and fuzzy T-800 by now that making him the merciless murder machine we saw in the original again would be disorienting. I think that's about the only way I'd support Schwarzenegger coming back.

spiderman_2k

08-09-2003, 04:34 PM

Yeah the whole protector thing is getting a litte old now...John has to stand on his own 2 feet and take his place as the saviour of mankind.....When the T-850 from T3 comes to kill him, John knows it will happen...He will have to deal with his feelings as his once protector is now trying to kill him...

spiderman_2k

08-09-2003, 06:05 PM

Check this out...

Scooper 'Ants' alerted us that after 34 years of absence, producer Mario Kassar came back to his mother country Lebanon to promote Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. The Movie Guide, a Lebanese film magazine, did an interview with Kassar in which he revealed some interesting bits on the fourth installment.

"T4 is in the works. The screenplay will be ready in 8 or 9 months. Once we have that, we will proceed with the production," said Kassar.

What new things can we look forward to? "The question that has never been answered in all the Terminator films is time travel. You can come from the future to change the present. But we never see how they go back to the future, which is a subject that can be explored. I think you already know where T4 is going from the ending of T3."

He was also asked about Arnold Schwarzenegger's future with the franchise. "It depends on what he's doing in life. If he wants to do politics, he'll do politics. Then we'll have to figure out a way to do it without him. But he has expressed interest in doing T4."

Doomsday

08-09-2003, 07:45 PM

Ahhhh, a 4th one will only ruin the franchise. Don't debate me about it, I'm right. Look at Batman & Robin. Even if Arnold WAS in it, which he won't be, it would still be pushing it. But since he's not gonna be in it, it will be a waste. This is Arnold's franchise, and his alone. No one else owns Terminator like Arnold. It would be like making Die Hard 4 without Bruce Willis, or Lethal Weapon 5 without Mel Gibson. It's gonna be a huge, huge mistake if they make it.

spiderman_2k

08-09-2003, 08:08 PM

Actually Terminator is James Cameron's franchise...or it was...Mostow did a great job of taking over...And the way it was left off is prime for a sequel...The other films u mentioned couldnt possibly work without those actors...T4 can..the story has never been about Arnold but about the John Connor character..Which is what the 4th will focus on....

Doomsday

08-09-2003, 10:32 PM

But I'm not talking about the story or plot or anything. It's a franchise that everybody associates with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Thats why I brought up the other movies. You can buy the rights to Die Hard 4 and make a script and not have Bruce Willis in it, but will people still remember it with the other three? Probably not, and if they do, they will remember it while thinking "why?" (Home Alone 3 comes to mind). It's not about the story or how they ended the 3rd one (which in my opinion ruined everything that the first 2 tried to establish), but its about how people will react to a T4 without Arnold. I know most of the people here are big movie fans, but I highly doubt that the few people here can account for the millions of people who will look at this movie, and will probably join me in thinking "Why?!?"

Gandollum

08-09-2003, 10:35 PM

I think its a great idea getting rid of Arnie, its his time to leave the franchise and there's no point of actually having him in the 4th film. I think they could probably replace him with another actor. And plus the "saving John Connor" routine was getting too tiredsome anyway. I hope they could proceed with the war and we can actually see Connor as a hero.

spiderman_2k

08-09-2003, 10:35 PM

Yes but if done right and marketed that Arnie was not in it from the get-off...people might not be thinking that...Maybe they can get that he is not needed for it...Cameo role yeah sure...Main starring role..No..sorry..

Gandollum

08-09-2003, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Doomsday
But I'm not talking about the story or plot or anything. It's a franchise that everybody associates with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Thats why I brought up the other movies. You can buy the rights to Die Hard 4 and make a script and not have Bruce Willis in it, but will people still remember it with the other three? Probably not, and if they do, they will remember it while thinking "why?" (Home Alone 3 comes to mind). It's not about the story or how they ended the 3rd one (which in my opinion ruined everything that the first 2 tried to establish), but its about how people will react to a T4 without Arnold. I know most of the people here are big movie fans, but I highly doubt that the few people here can account for the millions of people who will look at this movie, and will probably join me in thinking "Why?!?"

You have some good points, but there was no need for him in this movie. And plus, i dont think the genreal audience will care if he is in the fourth one. And another thing, im still kinda ticked off that he recieved 30 million dollars for barely saying 100 words in the whole movie and having around 30 minutes of actual screen time.

spiderman_2k

08-09-2003, 10:44 PM

That is another thing..without him they could bring production costs down loads....And i agree alot of peoples problems with T3 was that Arnie's heart wasnt in it anymore...or he moved too slow and showed his age...As great as Arnie is time stops for no-one...Time for the series to move on from Arnie just like it moved on from Cameron

sphericthor

08-10-2003, 05:02 AM

As much as I would love to see Arnie make T4, like some have said a cameo would be enough and I have to agree with them.

The terminator series has never actually been about Arnies character, but in fact it is about John Connor.

So in 30 movie years from now when the T-800/850 kills John that is where it stops. John Connors death will end the series and IMO that's the way it should end.

tedward

08-10-2003, 05:43 AM

I think it should end now with no.3.

sphericthor

08-10-2003, 05:47 AM

But if it ends now there was absolutely no point in the ending of T3

Tyranic_Lord

08-10-2003, 06:03 AM

I know, I'm so happy there will be a fourth installment. However, I'm worried about Arnold and his aging. You could tell his face has changed from the last years in T3. Will we see a 45-years-old-looking Terminator in T4?

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by sphericthor
As much as I would love to see Arnie make T4, like some have said a cameo would be enough and I have to agree with them.

The terminator series has never actually been about Arnies character, but in fact it is about John Connor.

So in 30 movie years from now when the T-800/850 kills John that is where it stops. John Connors death will end the series and IMO that's the way it should end.

I said that exact thing ago a couple of hours a few posts above yours in this thread..:D

sniktawt

08-10-2003, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by Tyranic_Lord
Will we see a 45-years-old-looking Terminator in T4?

Arnold is 56, not 45.The man still looks good IMO.But he should not be back.It's time for a fresh start.

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 07:36 AM

I think the person means will we see someone of 45 year old age taking over.....Keep in mind this the person who thought the TX was a better villan than the T-1000...:rolleyes:

sniktawt

08-10-2003, 07:41 AM

Well he is so wrong, the T-1000 is the best Terminator on screen .No ifs ands or buts about it!!!
The TX was kinda crappy.She lagged the film IMO.She had potential but didn't live up to it.She is a memory now, Which is a good thing.

sphericthor

08-10-2003, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
I said that exact thing ago a couple of hours a few posts above yours in this thread..:D

I must've mis-read what you said or forgot all about it whe I was replying

sphericthor

08-10-2003, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
I think the person means will we see someone of 45 year old age taking over.....Keep in mind this the person who thought the TX was a better villan than the T-1000...:rolleyes:

I just thought of something based on what you just said;

If they were to replace Arnie as the Terminator coming to kill John due to John knowing about his death, it would come as a shock to John because he'll be expecting the T-800 but if they send someone else thenit'll be an easy termination

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 07:52 AM

Skynet dont know he knows though....They may do it to prove much more sucessfull or they may just hope that after all what happens he forgets the specific date and such...and just gets...blasted away..

Tyranic_Lord

08-10-2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by sniktawt
.She is a memory now

As is the T-1000. They're both memory I guess. Lets see what cool Terminator they come up with in T4.

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 10:19 AM

Say what??

I very much doubt we will see a new Terminator in a sense of new being the time they were created...T4 will be about the beginnings of the war, the enemies will be...Lots of less-advanced Terminators...probably T-70's and HK's..Im guessing they will steer clear of sending anymore Terminators back in time to Terminate John Connor....:rolleyes:

tedward

08-10-2003, 10:56 AM

I imagine we will see new terminators the first movie wont just cover the immediate aftermath surely.

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 11:01 AM

As i said...
T4 will be about the beginnings of the war, the enemies will be...Lots of less-advanced Terminators...probably T-70's and HK's..Im guessing they will steer clear of sending anymore Terminators back in time to Terminate John Connor....

We will see new Terminators but not in a sense of more powerfull or more advanced than anything we have seen before...The menacing thing will be their numbers hundreds, thousands of them....

tedward

08-10-2003, 01:30 PM

sounds like a poor movie.

scifi guy

08-10-2003, 01:48 PM

IMO, Terminator 4 will flop without Arnold in a starring role. even if Arnie has a cameo this movie will still flop. Bring back Arnie as a bad guy or simply never make a T4. Leave the war to our imaginations.

Doomsday

08-10-2003, 02:23 PM

tedward

08-10-2003, 03:48 PM

thats how I feel as well. Spidey et al will disagree though.

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by tedward
sounds like a poor movie.

If u have seen T2:3D u will know what i have mean...About how cool it can look...

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by scifi guy
IMO, Terminator 4 will flop without Arnold in a starring role. even if Arnie has a cameo this movie will still flop. Bring back Arnie as a bad guy or simply never make a T4. Leave the war to our imaginations.

If it is marketed from the start as No Arnie...And is a great movie then why would it bomb?? People raised hell that about no Cameron in T3 and swore the film would bomb...it didnt...

teewee1432

08-10-2003, 07:32 PM

Alot of people like cameron thats true, but Arnold still does and is responsible for getting the people in the sets to see this movie, not just a director. I for one missed camerons direction like alot of people did, but him not making this movie didnt keep me up at night. Now if it wasnt any arnold either who is the terminator then that would be a different story. This is Arnolds movie, I wouldnt waste a penny on it no matter how good the preview is if he wasnt involved. This is a stupid idea to make this movie without him, and I dont even think this movie will make any money without him. Not even close to the 3 terminators box-office. They better get anrold signed for this, or just leave it the hell alone.

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 07:44 PM

Some people have such closed minds...:rolleyes:
U notice that most of Arnies recent films have been duds??
Arnie didnt bring the people to those films?? Its the Terminator name that brings the people in....

teewee1432

08-10-2003, 07:49 PM

Anold may have had a few duds here and there, but what actor doesnt, they all do. But arnold is the terminator and he got the people in the seats when he agreed to do this film. People like to see arnold as the terminator even if they didnt want to see him in Collateral Damage, or the 6th day. This was a hit from the gate. I dont no why you cant see that he had a great deal to do with this.

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 07:55 PM

Did i say he didnt?? No..check in the Terminator forums and see how much i love these movies...Im not saying he didnt have a great deal to do with it, im saying that in no way did he deserve $30 mil for under 100 lines and just over an hour screen time....Cutting the costs $30 mil is a great thing to do...
Also he hasnt had a really popular movie since End Of Days which was quite a while ago now..Read some of the reviews out there, alot of negative comments are about the way Arnie handles himself in the movie...He looks slow, shows his age, heart not in it...stuff like that...A T4 can easily be done without him and if it is a great movie it will take the money in IMO...

teewee1432

08-10-2003, 08:08 PM

It will have to be a GREAT movie to be as successful like the previous 3 are. I didnt really have any negative comments about arnold in t3 I saw it 4 times, and I thought he looked exactly the same as her did in T2 12 years ago and did just a good of job. But in some instances movies without the orignal characters have not fared to well at all.

spiderman_2k

08-10-2003, 08:13 PM

John is an original character...He is what it has all been about...Also go watch T2 again..u can easily spot alot of differences between Arnie in both films...

teewee1432

08-10-2003, 08:33 PM

besides a few wrinkles I guess what else can you spot??

tedward

08-11-2003, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
If u have seen T2:3D u will know what i have mean...About how cool it can look...

that ride lasts what 20 - 30 minutes?

You think you can stretch it over 4 and a half hours (3 films)?

sphericthor

08-11-2003, 07:41 AM

If they have some really talented writers on hand then they should do fine

spiderman_2k

08-11-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by teewee1432
besides a few wrinkles I guess what else can you spot??

Its more his acting isnt as good...he acts..too human in T3...U cansee the strain he is taking in T3...

that ride lasts what 20 - 30 minutes?

You think you can stretch it over 4 and a half hours (3 films)?

Yes as it will will not be made out to be a 20-30 minuite thing....:rolleyes:
It can have soo much story..Freeing people from the camps...raiding factories...John rising as leader..It could easily be made into a few films...

Lazlo Panaflex

08-15-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by mastertips03
Arnold might be replaced in the lead though. Don't know whether that is a good idea. But who could replace arnold as the terminator. :)
Sylvester Stallone?
"Ey yo John, I'm yur wurst nightmare"

spiderman_2k

08-16-2003, 01:08 PM

:waa:...dont say things like that..;)

IRISH_SAINT21

08-16-2003, 03:26 PM

I'M NEW TO THIS BOARD BUT I'M STEPPIN UP SAYIN THAT ITS ALWAYS A BAD IDEA TO LEAVE YOUR STAR BEHIND . ARNIE NEEDS TO BE IN THE 4TH OR ITS PURE CRAP TO ME. HE MADE THE TRILOGY WHAT IT IS . IT WAS OK FOR CONNOR TO CHANGE CAUSE HE WAS GROWING UP BUT THE T CANT BE ANOTHER ACTOR CAUSE PEOPLE DO ASSOCIATE ARNIE WITH THE MOVIES . I LOVED T3 WHICH I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE DISAPOINTED WITH / GREAT ENDING TO OPEN UP FOR T4 BUT DEF A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE ARNIE BACK AS THE BAD GUY SO ITS HUMANS AGAINST BOTS ONCE AGAIN LIKE IN T1 . BUT I WANNA KNOW WHO WILL PLAY CONNOR CAUSE IN THIS ONE HE'S THE MAIN CHARACTER UNLIKE THE FIRST 3 .

spiderman_2k

08-16-2003, 03:32 PM

Welcome..a tip dont always use caps in posts.

Arnie does not have to be in it for it to be "Humans against bots"
There is no real way of putting his character into the film.
Stahl will still play connor in T4

sphericthor

08-18-2003, 07:56 AM

I'd like to just add one thing to the list Spiderman_2k and that's the fact that he mentioned John Connor wasn't the main character in the first 3, but like most of us know IRISH_SAINT21, John Connor is the main character and alays has been.

Just because we never seen him in the first movie doesn't mean he wasn't the main character

spiderman_2k

08-18-2003, 08:11 AM

Yep...Its all about John.

Doofy Gilmore

08-18-2003, 09:17 AM

I don't like the idea of doing "T4" without Arnold.

tedward

08-18-2003, 10:05 AM

All the prior terminators were all about arnie. The plot was just a vehicle for the robot.

sunflower03

08-19-2003, 12:32 AM

the plot could include arnold if they used him as one of the earlier terminators, but the main plot of the next movie should be about john connor starting to save the world, or starting to become the great leader he is supposed to be.

spiderman_2k

08-19-2003, 01:05 PM

He cant be used as one of the original Terminators...They had no skin up until the 600 series which were Introduced when Kyle was a young-man...

ConanrulesNBC

08-19-2003, 02:24 PM

I have to say without Arnold I don't see T4 being nearly as popular as the first 3. I mean I think it was bad enough that the 3rd one didn't have James Cameron directing and Linda Hamilton acting. But the 4th one without any of them? Thats a huge risk, imo. But I must admit that the 3rd one was better than I expected. Who knows maybe they could get The Rock and this could be his break out movie.

spiderman_2k

08-19-2003, 02:33 PM

I hope that Rock comment was a joek

The Moose

08-29-2003, 11:09 PM

i am sure that T4 will be crappy if arnold isn't in it. T3 wasn't as good as T2, and arnold is getting old. i reckon that if they want the franchise to end well, they need to finish it off in T4 (if it can be done, with the amount of stuff they need to cover). when arnie is too old, it will flop if someone tries to reprise him