Wide vs. Full

[darthsidious143]

So, which do you perfer?

[Rizor]

Wide.

Last night I popped in Who Framed Roger Rabbit and to my surprise it was fullscreen. I forgot they put the widescreen on Disc Two, so I switched the discs.

[downflow311]

it depends on the movie. Comedies i like in full screen. but epic movies and serious movies HAVE to be on wide screen.

[Halofan1]

All my movies have to be widescreen. Usually when aired, Black Hawk Down is fullscreened. A few weeks ago I watched more of it due to the fact it was shown in widescreen.

[Sculder]

> W i d e s c r e e n <

[Hitman]

Widescreen took me a little getting used to when I 1st started watching DVD's. I can't watch a movie without it now. With the exception of comedies. Widescreen owns.

[Boone]

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I prefer WIDESCREEN! I feel ripped-off when I watch full screen...

[Inval1d]

Widescreen

[cg124]

widescreen definetly

[Highfire]

this has already been done

[FrankTheBunny]

Widescreen for all movies, regardless of type. It's the only way to be.

[Dracula]

I WILL NEVER WATCH PAN & SCAN AGAIN EVER

[Seraph333]

WIDESCREEN

[sunflower03]

why can't they just put both types on the dvd, because their are some people who do prefer fullscreen. i am not one of them but if some people want fullscreen they should have that choice, and the same goes for widescreeen as well.

[Dracula]

Because it takes up space on the disc, with the space they use on the Pan and sh it version they could add a dts track or a commentary or a two hour documentary.

[sphericthor]

W I D E S C R E E N

[Jspitalieri]

Widescreen is much better. If you need proof just look at those AOTC screens. Although the one, that excludes JAR JAR is good.

[cg124]

Originally posted by Rizor
Wide.

Last night I popped in Who Framed Roger Rabbit and to my surprise it was fullscreen. I forgot they put the widescreen on Disc Two, so I switched the discs.

Yeah why can't they have the first disk be widescreen.

[clrb15]

Of course widescreen........DVD's were made so we don't have to watch VHS movies on fullscreen.....If I buy a DVD....I always check (so does everyone around here).....because if i don't, and accidentaly get a fullscreen version of the film....i feel like I'm being ripped off.

P.S. I like those Widecreen and Fullscreen comparisons of Star Wars. It really makes you see the difference.

[tedward]

fullscreen versions?... only in America.

[SharpShooter]

Widescreen is the only way a movie should be watched

and as for those who say people should be given an option between WS and FS.

Well no they shouldn't because FS should not even be an option!

You wouldn't cut out sections of a song, or only show the middle of a painting, now would you?

Film is an art form and should be shown in the vision that the director had when framing the shot

[TheKing88]

Widescreen is the reason I buy DVD's.

[BlakeAE77]

Originally posted by SharpShooter

FS should not even be an option!

But Fullscreen is an option, and you'll have to get over that. If you don't want fullscreen, don't buy it. And as far as widescreen goes, maybe some people don't like the big black bars across the tops and bottoms of the screen! I got a big screen tv so the screen would be BIGGER. I want to enjoy the large screen, and the widescreen such sizes the screen back down. Now, I like both fullscreen and widescreen. But in order for me to really enjoy widescreen, the ratio has to be 1.85:1. If it's 2.35:1, I'll just get the fullscreen.

[SharpShooter]

Originally posted by BlakeAE77
But Fullscreen is an option, and you'll have to get over that. If you don't want fullscreen, don't buy it. And as far as widescreen goes, maybe some people don't like the big black bars across the tops and bottoms of the screen! I got a big screen tv so the screen would be BIGGER. I want to enjoy the large screen, and the widescreen such sizes the screen back down. Now, I like both fullscreen and widescreen. But in order for me to really enjoy widescreen, the ratio has to be 1.85:1. If it's 2.35:1, I'll just get the fullscreen.

well i personally like 2.35:1 the best

and as for liking FS, why would you want to watch a movie with 40% of the image missing?

the public needs to me more informed about WS, because alot of people just think its a version with black bars, i actually got into a fight with a friend because he thought they just took the FS version and placed a black bar on the top and bottom to get WS

he was shocked when i told him what the real difference was, and that those aren't black bars, but empty space on the TV screen

[BlakeAE77]

I realize the difference. And I hate that 40% of the pic is chopped off, but I also hate wasted screen. It bothers me when I'm watching a widescreen movie (2.35:1) and half the screen is just black. I just think, what a waste of perfectly good screen. But hey, I know that most people enjoy widescreen...and they should...it's their choice.

[SharpShooter]

Originally posted by BlakeAE77
I realize the difference. And I hate that 40% of the pic is chopped off, but I also hate wasted screen. It bothers me when I'm watching a widescreen movie (2.35:1) and half the screen is just black. I just think, what a waste of perfectly good screen. But hey, I know that most people enjoy widescreen...and they should...it's their choice.

well thats why they sell WS TV's, i know not everybody has money for a new TV, but i know my next tv will be a widescreen one

right now i have a 27" regular tv, but i find i like the "black bars", it gives a movie a more film look

[PapaGeorgioSmrf]

i think that the only reason movie companies release a widescreen and a full screen is to make more money off one movie

every freakin dvd movie should be in in widescreen, i've gotten use to it and everybody can, thats the only reason i buy dvd's is because it shows the whole movie and doesnt cut off the sides with i think is bullshizzle. and of course for the extra stuff, but still

[MovieFreak]

no matter what, widescreen....

[sunflower03]

i know you guys would just love to make everyone have widescreen, but a lot of people don't like widescreen because of the black bars at the top. i know a lot of people who think everything should be fullscreen. i prefer widescreen, but i know you guys don't want to admit this, there are a lot of people who hate widescreen as much as you guys seem to hate fullscreen.

[Dracula]

Originally posted by sunflower03
i know you guys would just love to make everyone have widescreen, but a lot of people don't like widescreen because of the black bars at the top. i know a lot of people who think everything should be fullscreen. i prefer widescreen, but i know you guys don't want to admit this, there are a lot of people who hate widescreen as much as you guys seem to hate fullscreen.

Well I Hate them,, (you hear that Blake AE77) Pan & Scan(whitch is what it's called) does more then cut off the sides that I hate. The panning adds extra camra movements wich the director didn't aprove and often ruins the intent of a static shot (consider the shot in Pulp Fiction wwhere Sam Jackson shoots the guy on the couch) It also gets to close to the action which is just plain uncomfterble once you get used to the correct way to watch.

[BlakeAE77]

Originally posted by Dracula
Well I Hate them,, (you hear that Blake AE77) Pan & Scan(whitch is what it's called) does more then cut off the sides that I hate. The panning adds extra camra movements wich the director didn't aprove and often ruins the intent of a static shot (consider the shot in Pulp Fiction wwhere Sam Jackson shoots the guy on the couch) It also gets to close to the action which is just plain uncomfterble once you get used to the correct way to watch.

Well I'm glad to see that you don't hold a grudge against people who prefer fullscreen, oops...I mean Pan & Scan. As for whatever the heck you just said, all it meant to me was bla bla bla bla bla. I've already said my reasons for preferring "Pan & Scan" over 2:35.1 widescreen. And I know their's alot more people out there that like FS, they're just too big of wusses to speak up.

[Citizen Kane]

Widescreen.

Question: why do some of you say that you prefer/don't mind pan & scan with comedies? Many comedies benefit from widescreen the same way a great visual film does.

[sunflower03]

I PREFER WIDESCREEN JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR. all i was saying that i know lots of people who do prefer fullscreen because they hate watching a movie with the black bars at the top, even if fullscreen does cut some of the movie off. you have to be fair to those people because they should be able to have a perference and watch it just like widescreen people want. also you need to consider most people don't know all the little differences between widescreen and fullscreen, to most people who don't know much about it, widescreen is just the version with the annoying black bars at the top.

[Rebecca]

I like wide screen for alot of comedies but prefer full screen for horror movies...........

[angelusrp]

I think of it this way, based on my relatives and friends. Full screen is for those who dont reallycare about the film. They just want to see the movie to see it. Thats all. they dont care about how it was meant to be seen (cinematography) or actually ''seeing'' all 3 people talking in the conversation . As long as they see two people and can hear the third..everything is cool. IMO.. screw FS..ive had to deal with that with VHS. I wont watch a film unless its in WS...but YES, there are a lot of comedies that only come in FS.(why is that?).. but in that case..ill watch it.

[angelusrp]

another thing.... i like the fact that dvds give you the option of both..( i only choose ws) but its cool for those people. also.. if you bought a really big screen tv and your bothered by the black bars( which i dont understand why it gives people so much frustration) then you should have bought a really big WIDE screen tv.. those show you the movie in WS with no bars because the tv is already W-I-D-E.

[Dracula]

Originally posted by sunflower03
I PREFER WIDESCREEN JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR. all i was saying that i know lots of people who do prefer fullscreen because they hate watching a movie with the black bars at the top, even if fullscreen does cut some of the movie off. you have to be fair to those people because they should be able to have a perference and watch it just like widescreen people want. also you need to consider most people don't know all the little differences between widescreen and fullscreen, to most people who don't know much about it, widescreen is just the version with the annoying black bars at the top.

It is so hypocritical when P&S dip****s go around saying P&S dip****s deserve a choice, what about all the years their TRASH was forced on us and WE had no choice.

P.S. I know you are just a P&S dip **** sympathizer.

[Halofan1]

Originally posted by sunflower03
I PREFER WIDESCREEN JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR. all i was saying that i know lots of people who do prefer fullscreen because they hate watching a movie with the black bars at the top, even if fullscreen does cut some of the movie off. you have to be fair to those people because they should be able to have a perference and watch it just like widescreen people want. also you need to consider most people don't know all the little differences between widescreen and fullscreen, to most people who don't know much about it, widescreen is just the version with the annoying black bars at the top.

Like Drac said, was it fair when we widescreeners didn't have a choice? If the director wanted to film the movie in 1:33.1, then she/he would have done so, but all directors choose 1:85.1 or 2:35.1. That means they'd rather the viewer NOT lose 40 % of the image.

I hate Pan & **** lovers.

[Sculder]

I hate Fullscreen and Pan & Scan. I watch in Fullscreen only TV shows wich are filmed at that aspect ratio ,notthing else.

[obsessedwithsnl]

I like widescreen better, but it's better to watch something in fullscreen when you have a really small screen, like a laptop or something. When I first got a DVD player I didn't really care, and I got a few DVDs that were the fullscreen editions for gifts. Now I wish I had them widescreen.

[Halofan1]

People who don't like WS are ignorant fools who need to stop watching movies all together.

[Shwang]

I cant stand FS and my TV is only 20" flatscreen i dont sit more than 6' from it though. Other TV in front room is 27" flatscreen.
I think the flatscreen helps. With my older curved screen it looked crap with 2.35:1 movies.

[angelusrp]

Originally posted by Halofan1
People who don't like WS are ignorant fools who need to stop watching movies all together.

Thanks for saying that.. it needed to be said.:applaud:

[Steve from Indy]

So are we saying that seeing the whole of the frame as it was shot is the most important thing, or the intent of the Director? Or are we only concerned with seeing the theatrical presentation?

I bring this up in relation to Super35. As you know this is a way for a Director to compose a movie for 2.35 (or any ratio) in the theatres, and allow it to be shown on home video fullscreen while losing very little on the side and actually seeing more picture on the top and bottom while not requiring pan and scan.

For me, I would still prefer the widescreen presentation because that's just what I'm used to. Seeing more of the players on top and bottom isn't really important. However, if the Director composed a film this way for the effect it would have in a full screen home video presentation, then that's how I would watch it.

I know this is nit-picking, But I'm just trying to flesh this out a little more. We've had many threads on this subject, yet I'm not sure we've ever fully exhausted the subject. For me it's the intent of the Director that matters most. While I love the 2.35 ratio, I have to respect that Spielberg shoots most of his in 1.85 and I wouldn't avoid buying or seeing one of his films because I didn't care for a particular ratio he was using. Just as long as I am seeing what he intended.

However, I must say, that I try not to get hung up on the subject. While I try and convert all that I meet to aor, and hate pan and scan, the ultimate goal of any movie is to convey it's themes, ideas, message and of course it's story. And if that can be accomplished in a pan and scan viewing then I think the Director's ultimate intent has been satisfied. It's just that for me, the mechanical camera movements and missing persons of a pan and scan (especially of a wide gauge film) film are too distracting to allow me to concentrate on the story.

Have I managed to confuse anybody??
Input??

[Dracula]

There are problems with super 35,
1. Many directors ignore the top and bottom, often puting tape over the top and botton of his viewing screen.
2. This often leads to boom mikes being in the picture
3. Whenever there are CG effects it has to be Pan & Scaned. In some Super 35 movies they have to P&S the whole thing, like in LOTR they needed P&S because the hobit to human ratio effects would fail otherwise.

Go to this site for further info
http://widescreen.org/widescreen_matted.shtml

[Riddle]

People who like Pan&Scan should stick to VHS. Clearly they don't care about the "quality" of the movie they're watching. Therefore the reason for them buying dvds and dvd players is moot.

[Whitered]

I love FULL SCREEN much better and never buy dvd's with WideScreen only. mut have FULL SCREEN, i just cant watch a half ass movie that only takes up half of my big t.v. why da hell did i buy my big tv ?? to watch movies in it, full screen !!

[Halofan1]

Originally posted by Whitered
I love FULL SCREEN much better and never buy dvd's with WideScreen only. mut have FULL SCREEN, i just cant watch a half ass movie that only takes up half of my big t.v. why da hell did i buy my big tv ?? to watch movies in it, full screen !!

My first suggestion to you is to hit thrid grade so you will learn proper grammar and spelling. My next suggestion is to let you know that with f***lscreen you lose 40% of the image. However, widescreen presents the movie as it was originally intended to be seen. The black bars are unused space. But if you're happy being an ignorant fool then so be it.

[Cloud Buster]

Oh dear lord, WIDESCREEN or NOTHING.

One thing people don't realize a lot of times is why film is shot in wide aspect ratios to begin with. It's about vision periphery: you see wider than you do high, so your natural vision is in "widescreen", so to speak. As a result, watching a film in the cinema that's a wide aspect ratio is much more natural than the more square 4:3 aspect.

Have you ever seen a movie that was 4:3 in the theatre? I did -- is was "Beyond the Mat", a documentary about professional wrestling. It was kind of hard to watch.

Television being so narrow is a mistake from the beginning, and right now I can't afford a nice 16:9 tv but I will have one someday in the not too distant future. Eventually, HDTV so even my TV programs are in widescreen.

I refuse to buy a movie unless it's widescreen. I think the fullscreen DVDs on the rack are a waste of shelf space. If you don't want the full experience, why buy a DVD? Get a VHS. And if you do want the full experience, why in god's name do you want to miss out on 25% of the picture?

[Whitered]

Halofan, get a life you loser.

[Highfire]

everyone has their opinoin but mine is fullscreen,i prefer not to be judged on my decision.If i get widescreen accidently i dont get mad. the only thing i get mad at is when i buy a dvd and it turns out to be double sided disc,i hate those because their easier to damage. Thats all i have to say

[Halofan1]

Originally posted by Whitered
Halofan, get a life you loser.

Do you really want me to dignify that with a response?

[Dracula]

Originally posted by Highfire
everyone has their opinoin but mine is fullscreen,i prefer not to be judged on my decision.

well thats tough **** because I'm going to juge the hell out of you you stupid artkilling c**ksucker. It dosn't suprise me that you break double sided discs because people retarded enough to tolerate foolscreen deserve thave thier clumbsy selves break their dvds

[Mr.Matinee]

Hey,Dracula,remember 5 years ago when DVD's weren't popular,much less widescreen?Most of use grew up with fullscreen,that's why some of use can tolerate it.I perfer widescreen myself,but I don't feel robbed of any experience when i watch fullscreen.What should be done to make everyone happy is to have a fullscreen
edition of a movie with a widescreen edition of the same movie on the movie's DVD.Also would save production costs.

[jordancollector]

It took me buying a 51" widescreen tv to convince my wife that wider is better...... i just wish the movie guys and the tv guys would get together on this and come up with an industry standard for widscreen size. even with a widescreen tv you still get black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. movies are shot in widescreen not 4x3. see it the way it was made.

[Dracula]

Originally posted by Mr.Matinee
Hey,Dracula,remember 5 years ago when DVD's weren't popular,much less widescreen?

Yes and I thought foolscreen was better too, then I bought a DVD player and left my old hillbilly ideals behind and joined the 21st century.

[Halofan1]

Originally posted by Dracula
Yes and I thought foolscreen was better too, then I bought a DVD player and left my old hillbilly ideals behind and joined the 21st century.

I had always heard of widescreen but was used to foolscreen. I watched The Matrix(my first widescreen film) DVD and compared it to my VHS. Since that day back in 2000, I despise foolscreen.

[Cloud Buster]

Hey I grew up with fullscreen too, that doesn't mean I like it. That was long before I had seen or understood widescreen, much less had a choice.

What I hate are people who don't understand the difference and insist that "widescreen cuts the top and bottom of the picture off", as opposed to their beloved fullscreen versions which do not.

If you understand the difference, and choose fullscreen fine -- that's your choice, and I've gotta agree with some (but in less potent words) that I think it's a foolish choice for anyone who wants the best experience. In the end, isn't that the point of DVD anyway?

[sunflower03]

you know not everyone is a film geek, and doesn't have time to know all the details as to why movies are shot a certain way. i was fustrated for years that vhs wasn't in widescreen, and that should have been an option when the movie was put on dvd, but just like it should have been an option when it was released on dvd, so should fullscreen be for people who want it. also there are other reasons to buy dvds then just for a widescreen edition. alot of people like the special features, and like the better picture quality of dvds. maybe if more people knew the difference between fullscreen, and widescreen editions less people would prefer fullscreen, but like a said not everyone is a movie geek and knows about all these little things. also in a few years they will stop making vhs tapes all together, so i think it is very unfair to say that people who don't want a widescreen edition shouldn't own dvds.

[Shaitan]

IMHO movies are and were always meant to be EPIC. And I am sorry, but pan and scan won`t ever take you there. At its bare min pan and scan will get you the basic story.

I have heard that the reason we all have pan and scan , was a decision made in TVs early tech beginnings, made by the movers and shakers of the TV companies way way back.
Price for the consumer was the main reasons apparently. The ability was always there for a widescreen set. But who could afford to pay for it? Alot of the rich, but the low income buyers was where the money was at. So the decision was made for delivering a cost effective pan and scan set.

Alot of movie directors must have pulled alot of hair out over this decision, because no way can a P and S set deliver anything close to what most directors visions encompous. Now, a crapload of viewers weened on pan and scan still fail to see "the big picture". Pardon my pun.

Still, many DO see the light. And for those of us who do, it`s up to us to lead the way into this brave new world. Pulling those who lack the explorers soul, and those who lack the vision and or courage to make those steps along the way , usually kicking and screaming. Can you imagine space exploration if the Apollo Astronauts were too chicken to set their 1st steps upon the moon? lol

This is not so much a personal rights viewing issue. Like pan and scan before it, the public will eventually see the light of widescreen viewing. Mark my words. As soon as widescreen sets are available and as low priced as the current norm=pan and scan.....the change will come.

Think about this, had widescreen come out 1st...... you`d all be watching it. And if the decision was made by someone up on high to replace it with a new pan and scan standard, you`d all be kicking an screaming bout that.

People don`t like change for the most part. Change is scary. But someone has to go there 1st to lead the way.

[Dracula]

actually the reason T.v.s were originaly !;33.1 was because movies at the time were also 1:33.1 or 1:37.1. It was later that movies started to be made at 1:66.1 to 2:76.1 and everything inbetween, this was done to compete with T.V.

[Guamgirl101]

I can understand why some of you would want to encourage other people to give widescreen a chance and inform them of the difference between fullscreen and widescreen, but why must we call each other names and put each other down just because of our opinions? I'm just curious, that's all. I mean, in my personal opinion I think it's great if you want to encourage someone to watch something in widescreen format but if they still prefer fullscreen in the end, I don't think there's a point in calling them ignorant fools or the like. It's just their personal preference. :)

And by the way this is just my personal opinion also so if you disagree that's totally ok.

[Baadshah]

there is not much discussion here about wide vs. full because is wide is the best, no question about. Because when you get fullscreen, they cut so much that when you see two people talking in the same frame, you see only the person who is talking, and then when the other one talks, you see the screen moving to the other person, it looks so riduculous and unprofessional. Not the way a director wants. What you see in theatres is widescreen always.
People might buy fullscreen just to fill up the small t.v.'s that they have, but eventually you will get a bigger TV and they you'll be pissed off because you will be missing out on a lot of stuff in the movie because most of it was cut off because of fullscreen.
I remember i bought the vhs version of The Lost World : Jurassic Park, it was fullscreen. My friend bought the widescreen. That was the first time that i realized that widescreen is so much better because I compared the two cassettes and fullscreen cut off so much.
Bottom line, widescreen is the best, and if you love the movie you're buying, then always get it on widescreen.

[Riddle]

Here's a question. What about an unmatted version of a movie?

[Rabbit]

wide

[tyler_durden]

Wide screen, no question. That is how that movie was meant to be viewed. I think it is a travesty that full screen movies are even offered. They should be permanently banned.

[sunflower03]

don't you think banning it would be unfair to those who want it? not everyone can afford a big widescreen tv.

[Marvin Nash]

I have to say wide screen. In fact I once had a 3 hour argument with a friend of mine because he watched True Romance in full screen. I kept telling him he hadn't seen all of it. I was just being a dick. Lol. Anyway, wide screen is superior.

[bjgroves91]

Widescreen rules

[Dracula]

Originally posted by sunflower03
not everyone can afford a big widescreen tv.

I know neither can I

and P.S. P&S Should be Banned

[Sculder]

http://www.utv.ee/~ivar/dvd/anamorphic/5th1.jpg

VS

http://www.utv.ee/~ivar/dvd/anamorphic/5th2.jpg

http://www.ilovedvd.co.nz/examples/lotr1-ps.jpg

VS

http://www.ilovedvd.co.nz/examples/lotr1-ws.jpg

http://www.ilovedvd.co.nz/examples/tnd2-pan.jpg

VS

http://www.ilovedvd.co.nz/examples/tnd2-wide.jpg

Empire srikes back WS vs PS (http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6781/EmpireCompare.html)

[Glordreen]

Personally I prefer fullscreen, but widescreen doesnt bother me. But I just like having the movie fill the whole screen. But since I got a big screen (53 inch) widescreen movies are better. But I still like full screeb better

[Dracula]

Originally posted by Glordreen
Personally I prefer fullscreen, but widescreen doesnt bother me. But I just like having the movie fill the whole screen. But since I got a big screen (53 inch) widescreen movies are better. But I still like full screeb better

:rolleyes:

[Riddle]

Why not just watch the first half of the movie, then turn it off? You're doing that anyways, if you watch Pan&Scan....(stop calling it fullscreen!!)

[Dracula]

What they should do is take some movie that would apeal to P&S people like Dude Wheres My Car 2 or something and during it's theatrical run show it in P&S with the "This film has been modifyed from it's original version" messege and maby they'll finaly learn to apreciate what they're missing.

[QUINNtheESKIMO]

well, for crap movies, like Dude Where My car, and Spy Kids, and most of the other stuff that the folks in the General Movies discussion forum get all giddy about, I could care less how they show them. Terminator 2 can be Pan and Scan for all I care, but when we are talking about REAL cinema(like Das Boot for instance), it should be shown the way that its creators intended it to be shown-for the past 50 years or so, what this has meant, in one way or another, is that the movie should be seen in W I D E S C R E E N.

I know for a fact, that the next television set I buy, will be a Widescreen set. I know some people who recently bought a fine, flat screen tv(might have even been a plasma tv), but its not a widescreen tv. All I could do was shake my head...

[Slipknot]

Widescreeen is better but i hate the god damn bars.

[Onimar Synn]

What bars? If I'm actually watching the movie I don't even see them. I hate P&S with a passion. It totally crushes the directors vision, and further, some of the P&S jobs I've seen are downright terrible. I once tried to watch A League of Their Own on broadcast TV and actually had to turn it off because it was such a botched job.

[QUINNtheESKIMO]

how long before all the tvs, and tv programs are widescreen? 7-10 years, I say likely...

[Slipknot]

The GOD damn HUGE black bars on the screen, how cant u not see them

[Marvin Nash]

I wouldn't mind owning a widescreen tv. But if you ask me, the smaller ones (the only barely affordable ones) just look silly. They only look cool when they're huge. Lol. I'll stick with my 32" 4:3 for a while.

[Slipknot]

ya, i need a bigscreen tv

[PsychoMike]

Widescreen for cienamatic movies where the scenary is really important. Fullscreen/Pan and Scan for most movies is fine.

[Citizen Kane]

But...NM

[Dracula]

my final word on the subject (unless some one really pisses me off, which is extremely likly) is that Pan & Scan aka foolscreen is the biggest atrosity to art since the burning of the library in alexandria and should be stoped at all costs.

[jorich]

Originally posted by Slipknot
The GOD damn HUGE black bars on the screen, how cant u not see them

I believe he was referencing the fact that if you have a widescreen TV and a widescreen DVD, there are no bars present. Best thing since sliced bread.

[Riddle]

Actually, if the movie is 2.35:1, even with a widescreen TV there are "black bars" on the top and bottom.

[QUINNtheESKIMO]

how many different(common, and less common) aspect ratios are there?

[daniel9]

widescreen is definitely better and i dont mind the black bars

[Kyle Katarn]

Mr. Sidious - 100 points from your house for stealing a thread I have already done! ;)

And WIDESCREEN! It's like a Twilight Zone scenario.....I work in a store and get 20% off of most everything...but in our movie selection we ONLY carry fullscreen! :mad:

[clrb15]

Originally posted by QUINNtheESKIMO
how many different(common, and less common) aspect ratios are there? Well, obviously the most common aspect ratios out there are 1.33:1, 1.66:1, 1.85:1, 2.35:1, 2.40:1. The only less common aspect ratio that I know is 2.30:1 'Life as a House' was presented like this on DVD

[Dracula]

the fallowing are uncommen ratios and at least one moveie thats in it

1:37.1: Academy Ratio, most old movies are in this but have to be put down to 1:33.1, thank god it dosn't make one iota of difference

1:50.1:"A better place"

1:66.1:"Dr. No", "The Shining", "Robocop"

1:78.1:"Akira", most widescreen programs made for T.V.

1:85.1:"Jurassic Park", "Batman", "Back to The Future"

2:00.1:"Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery"(DVD presentation only)"Tokyo Drifter"

2:10.1:"Life as a House"

2:20.1: "Lawrence of Arabia" , "2001: A Space Odyssey" , "Spartacus" , "The Sound of Music" , "West Side Story" , "Spierited Away" , "Tron" , "Yojimbo"

2:30.1: "How to Succeed in Buisness without really trying"

2:35.1: "Lord of The Rings" , "Star Wars" , thousands more

2:40.1: "The Royale Tanenbaums" , "Black Hawk Down"

2:50.1: "The Omen"

2:55.1: "It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World" , "The Seven Year Itch"

2:76.1: "Ben-Hur"

[QUINNtheESKIMO]

and so, what exactly do the numbers mean? does it mean that Ben Hur is 2.76 times as wide as it is tall?

[Dracula]

Originally posted by QUINNtheESKIMO
and so, what exactly do the numbers mean? does it mean that Ben Hur is 2.76 times as wide as it is tall?

yes

http://www.dvdmg.com/benhurpic1.jpg
Imagine
http://www.dvdmg.com/benhurpic2.jpg
This
http://www.dvdmg.com/benhurpic3.jpg
In
http://www.dvdmg.com/benhurpic4.jpg
Pan
http://www.dvdmg.com/benhurpic8.jpg
&
http://www.dvdmg.com/benhurpic7.jpg
Scan
http://www.dvdmg.com/benhurpic6.jpg

From DVDMovieguide:
"Ben-Hur appears in an aspect ratio of approximately 2.76:1 on this double-sided, double-layered DVD; the image has been enhanced for 16X9 televisions. Yes, those dimensions are correct; this sucker’s wiiiide! It’s both the best movie and the worst movie to use in attempts to convert “black bar” hating friends and relatives. On one hand, the pan and scan rendition offers the visual equivalent of gibberish; more than half of the original image is lost. However, since some people freak out when mild bars appear for 1.85:1 films, I can’t imagine how they’d react to this! "

[QUINNtheESKIMO]

didn't they call this "Super Panovision", and this is the only movie to ever use this?

Its nearly 3 times as wide as it is tall!!!!

[Dracula]

It was also used in "the greatest story ever told"

[sunflower03]

not all widescreen is covered if you ever buy a widescreen tv, then what is the whole point? they need a standard for widescreen.

[Riddle]

It's all up to the directors what aspect they shoot their movie in. Some movies (comedies) could be shot fullscreen, and not lose or gain anything. But for more "artsy" movies, directors want to make use of the frame.

[cg124]

I decided to bump one tof these threads since we have knew members here and I want their opinion on it

[Inferno]

Anyone who prefers full screen should be forced to go see a movie at the cinema with the same square format. That'll sort 'em out.

[Birdy]

I once was a beliver that Fullscreen was the ruler. But two years ago I was educated on the subject (I looked it up on my own) and realized that everyone I thought was crazy for saying that Fullscreen cuts off 50% of the image were actually right and I was wrong. The problem is when people see the film in theaters they don't realize the version their watching. I've been midly successful in converting people to Widescreen but its not easy cause people are set in their ways. I just finally got my girl to start buying Widescreen, and if she buys Fullscreen I snap. But I do have some Fullscreen films here and their, some I have replaced like my copy of Episode II. But I buy straight Widescreen only now.

[padawan331]

fullscreen

[Xander]

I hate fullscreen, and I hate that they still sell them because I sometimes end up buying fullscreen because i'm in a hurry and don't check. I do double check now, I hate having the first two LOTR movies on fullscreen and i'm thinking about selling them on eBay and then buying wide-screen versions of them. I love cinematography and hate how fullscreen cuts it all. Hate it, with a passion. I consider anyone who likes fullscreen over widescreen nuts. IMHO.

http://www.dvdweb.co.uk/information/anamorphic.htm is the link in case it has not yet been posted here.

[Mike Teevee]

Wide. It's how the filmmaker intended.

[Enforcer15]

depends on the movie. If its a LOTR movie or Star Wars or sumthing of that level, Wide Screen all the way, because you dont want to miss any of the action. But if its just an OK comedy movie or sumthing then Full Screen.

[Kable24]

*W I D E S C R E E N*

Especially since I have a widescreen tv, but even when I didn't my movies had to be in widescreen.

[Rogue]

well thats tough **** because I'm going to juge the hell out of you you stupid artkilling cocksucker. It dosn't suprise me that you break double sided discs because people retarded enough to tolerate foolscreen deserve thave thier clumbsy selves break their dvds


Stop the namecalling and insults, please. Everyone has a different opinion and that's why we are here - so that you all may share your opinions. People come here not to be judged on their opinions, no matter how different they are from yours. Just post and be nice, mmkay?

[cg124]

just to let you know rogue he posted that in 2003;)

[droidguy1119]

Here's what I have to say on the subject.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/droidguy1119b/fullframe.gif

[cg124]

Here's what I have to say on the subject.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/droidguy1119b/fullframe.gif

:lol:



thats so perfect

[ky87]

Widescreen

[ky87]

ahahah nice post droid :applaud:

[DieselPower]

nicely put droid http://www.newcelica.org/forums/images/smilies/bigthumbup.gif

[HeadHunter]

I was having this same convo with my mate in the pub today and we def went for Widescreen :D

[Warren]

:funny:

Definitely widescreen.

[espwolverine]

If anyone on these boards prefers fullscreen to widescreen they should be banned from ever posting anything!!! There is no reason to prefer fullscreen to widescreen. I don't understand why they prefer this format. No person that prefers fullscreen should even be considered a film buff. Sorry but it frustrates me when I see people at BEST BUY of all places recomending fullscreen movies to people. My friend works at Best Buy and one of his work buddies failed a mystery shop because they recommended a fullscreen movie to the shopper. She wrote on his report that he was poorly trained and needed to be re-trained in his department because of poor knowledge. lol. :D Have a good one!

[Rogue]

just to let you know rogue he posted that in 2003;)


Well I just received a complaint on it so... :P

[cg124]

Well I just received a complaint on it so... :P


well then your a little late;)


I'd figure out how many exact days you are late just to be a smartass,but I'm too lazy.;)

[cg124]

That sign droid posted reminds me of watching fight club in fullscreen on TV. I couldn't see what the billboard said when they wrote something on it

[Spidey2DocOck]

If anyone on these boards prefers fullscreen to widescreen they should be banned from ever posting anything!!! There is no reason to prefer fullscreen to widescreen. I don't understand why they prefer this format. No person that prefers fullscreen should even be considered a film buff. Sorry but it frustrates me when I see people at BEST BUY of all places recomending fullscreen movies to people. My friend works at Best Buy and one of his work buddies failed a mystery shop because they recommended a fullscreen movie to the shopper. She wrote on his report that he was poorly trained and needed to be re-trained in his department because of poor knowledge. lol. :D Have a good one!
First of all, nobody should be banned for liking fullscreen. Some people just like it that way. and as already stated in this thread 50 million times some people don't like the black bars.

[Dracula]

First of all, nobody should be banned for liking fullscreen. Some people just like it that way. and as already stated in this thread 50 million times some people don't like the black bars.

How hard is this to explain. It doesn't mattter how much they "like" the bars. It is a matter of them greedily bastardizing someone elses work just because they think it looks better.

[droidguy1119]

First of all, nobody should be banned for liking fullscreen. Some people just like it that way. and as already stated in this thread 50 million times some people don't like the black bars.

So here's a painting. A painting that you made. And I have a frame. And your painting doesn't fit in my frame. So I cut off everything I don't think is important to make it fit.

Either that or I get a different frame.

Which do you choose?

[sec127]

DVD is for Widescreen, VHS is for Fullscreen. Period. But if studios must have Fullscreen DVds put both options on the DVD so people can choose. Its not that hard.

[PsychoMike]

So here's a painting. A painting that you made. And I have a frame. And your painting doesn't fit in my frame. So I cut off everything I don't think is important to make it fit.

Either that or I get a different frame.

Which do you choose?

As an artist and someone who appriates(sp?) art I would get a bigger frame. Or in the case of movies I would get widescreen.

But it really dosen't matter what I (or the artists) want. The final decission rests in the hands of the owner (for movies that would be the studio). The owner of a product has the right to do whatever they want (providing it's legal) with the product they own.

[Spidey2DocOck]

So here's a painting. A painting that you made. And I have a frame. And your painting doesn't fit in my frame. So I cut off everything I don't think is important to make it fit.

Either that or I get a different frame.

Which do you choose?
Doesn't matter to me as long as I have it.

[Dracula]

As an artist and someone who appriates(sp?) art I would get a bigger frame. Or in the case of movies I would get widescreen.

But it really dosen't matter what I (or the artists) want. The final decission rests in the hands of the owner (for movies that would be the studio). The owner of a product has the right to do whatever they want (providing it's legal) with the product they own.

Yes, the studio could also cut out any part of a movie that is offenceive and only relese 12 minute g-rated versons of Fight club, or mabey they could put in subliminal messages all through the movie telling you to buy their ****. or mabey they could choose to put commercial breaks into the movie and not let you skip them. All legal, all unethical.

[PootyNUK]

It doesn't really make a difference to me. They both kind of bug me. I don't like the black on the widescreen but I also don't like missing part of the movie in fullscreen. Usually I just watch fullscreen because the black part really bugs me but I'll watch both.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

just get a widescreen tv ;)

[cg124]

I don't have any problems with the black bars in widescreen, I hardly notice them and they also make the movie look better

[insaneMoViEgoer]

having black bars make the movie feel more "cinematic", if you know what i mean

[cg124]

having black bars make the movie feel more "cinematic", if you know what i mean


exactly, like when you watch a cut scene in a video game it usually has black bars

[ApolloX]

widescreen.
why do people want 1/3 of the picture cut off?

[Kable24]

just get a widescreen tv ;)


You can still get black bars with a widescreen tv. Most FOX movies are like that.

[cg124]

widescreen.
why do people want 1/3 of the picture cut off?
because some people don't care about other peoples work. It's sad,but it's true

[insaneMoViEgoer]

You can still get black bars with a widescreen tv. Most FOX movies are like that.
actually, all movies shot in 2.35:1 will still have black bars even on a widescreen tv.;)

[Boiiinng]

actually, all movies shot in 2.35:1 will still have black bars even on a widescreen tv.;)

yep, and if one was actually watching the movie, they wouldn't be looking at the black bars anyway. :rolleyes:

[cg124]

yep, and if one was actually watching the movie, they wouldn't be looking at the black bars anyway. :rolleyes:


exactly and if you ever watch a movie in the dark you, wouldn't even notice the black bars.

[zrelmar]

I don't think there even is competition between widescreen and fullscreen as widescreen is the proper ratio, ESPECIALLY if you are watching the movie in the dark.

[carnage4u]

Widescreen...... every so often.. i get a dvd and of course a Pan & Scan version sneaks by me.

I hate Deluxe special eidtions that on the back bottom corner in small letter says if its either Fullscreen or widescreen.


but anyway, i enjoy seeing the "entire" movie, so widescreen is the only option.

black bars bugged me for the first 10 seconds,,, then that problem went away.

[Inferno]

I don't think it's even possible to get DVD full screen version of films here in Australia. As far as I know it's all released in widescreen. The only exception being if the studio never released a widescreen version in the states to begin with.

[cg124]

I don't think it's even possible to get DVD full screen version of films here in Australia. As far as I know it's all released in widescreen. The only exception being if the studio never released a widescreen version in the states to begin with.


it's funny you mention that because in one of IGN's mailbags there was a guy who commented on this and didn't understand why america sells fullscreen DVDS

When Will Fullscreen Die?
I shop on eBay for DVDs a lot and have noticed that DVDs from the United States often have two versions of movies: widescreen and fullscreen. In Australia, we don't have this choice, I'm not worried and I have heard people complain about the black bars at the top and bottom in the early days of DVD, but we deal with it. So, why in the U.S do you still have these two options? Do the viewers understand with full screen you are missing part of the picture? Isn't Widescreen part of the pull towards DVD and not VHS, you know, the theatrical version at home?

-- Nathan

Your first mistake is shopping for DVDs on eBay, otherwise known as Pirate's Cove. But do as you wish. As for wide vs. full, there are some real Luddites here in the U.S. who simply will not accept widescreen on a full screen TV. I have a family full of them and no attempt at re-education will sway them. As for just doing widescreen on DVD and full screen on VHS, it's not a bad idea, but the studios are also trying to get to one media format as soon as possible. It will be considerably cheaper to make just DVDs than both DVD and VHS. Right now they want to give the barest minimum support VHS. The faster it dies, the better and no one will mourn it.

-- Andy
http://dvd.ign.com/mail/2005-03-17.html?fromint=1




And if you want a good laugh read this letter from someone to IGN.

In Defense of Full Screen (Really!)
Maybe the reason that some people prefer full screen to widescreen is not because they're Luddites, but because they want to be able to watch a movie that takes up the FULL screen on their TVs. Is it THAT ridiculous to want to watch a movie that takes up the entire screen instead of just 2/3 of it or even half of it? I don't think it is. I know you don't see EVERYTHING in full screen, but really, do you NEED to see the little bits on the sides? Much more often than not there's nothing of any interest at ALL in those bits, so why is it a big deal to lose them? If it means you don't have to put up with big black chunks on the top and bottom of the screen then I'll take it! Unless it's an epic, cause those usually have bits of interest in the parts taht are cut out at least in the battles.

-- Adam

This has to be the first attempt at defending full screen that I've ever seen. There are plenty of sites on the Internet comparing the 2.35:1 widescreen version of a film to the 1.33:1 pan and scan version. Films like Braveheart and Hero lose much of their panoramic beauty. But it also hurts an intimate two shot because people aren't always centered on the screen. My general feeling on the whole matter is people who don't appreciate widescreen don't go to theaters very often, because then you'd notice the difference. Am I wrong?

-- Andy

http://dvd.ign.com/mail/2005-03-22.html

[Cloud Buster]

I'm going to go jump in a vat of liquid nitrogen. Unfreeze me when fullscreen is dead.

[cg124]

I'm going to go jump in a vat of liquid nitrogen. Unfreeze me when fullscreen is dead.


sadly I think your going to be in there for a long time:(


On a side note, I don't like these new DVD formats coming out(HD DVD, Blue Ray) but the one thing nice about HD DVD is that they are only avaliable in widescreen I believe.

[Forkem]

my mom says that the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen during a widescreen movie are annoying. man, she is sooooooo stupid!

[neo5595]

My guess is that Fullscreen will be wiped out completely very soon because TVs are probably only gonna come out in 16:9 widescreen eventually.

[Inferno]

In Defense of Full Screen (Really!)
Maybe the reason that some people prefer full screen to widescreen is not because they're Luddites, but because they want to be able to watch a movie that takes up the FULL screen on their TVs. Is it THAT ridiculous to want to watch a movie that takes up the entire screen instead of just 2/3 of it or even half of it? I don't think it is. I know you don't see EVERYTHING in full screen, but really, do you NEED to see the little bits on the sides? Much more often than not there's nothing of any interest at ALL in those bits, so why is it a big deal to lose them? If it means you don't have to put up with big black chunks on the top and bottom of the screen then I'll take it! Unless it's an epic, cause those usually have bits of interest in the parts taht are cut out at least in the battles.

-- Adam


He's right! Those little bits on the sides never have anything worth looking at! In fact while we're at it how about chopping off the corners as well. Do we really need to see the sky in the background? As all good film makers know, anything worth filming goes smack bam in the centre. On a similar note, nothing should be shot in the dark anymore. If it's interesting it should be in light so we can see it.

[cg124]

heres another mailbag from IGN with some Widescreen vs. fullscreen arguments

More from the pro-full screen side.
I had to respond to your "people not going to the theatres" comment about pan and scan because that is very true. I go to school near my grandparents and I go watch movies at their house on the weekends, they're still stuck with a CRT and mulling over HDTV, they see nearly every movie that comes out...on DVD. The only times they ever feel like going to the theatre is to see IMAX movies where the screen is more like a square. The video store they rent from offers full screen and widescreen versions of almost every title, usually leaning toward having more full screen, keeping in that old holding pattern from VHS. I always convince them to rent a widescreen disc, or sometimes I'll even tell them that I'll find a movie for them and then slip the widescreen disc onto the pile. I explain the difference to them and they say "I paid for every inch of the T.V. so I want it filled up." A valid enough explanation, but the best thing to respond to that is when you pan and scan a movie and use all your scan lines on your TV you cut the image resolution in like half, not to mention things like objects on the screen and the overall miser en scene.

-- Jared

The next time they say that, tell them you also paid for a movie twice as wide as it is tall and they are only getting 40 percent of the film when they rent a full screen video but paying the same price as the widescreen movie.

-- Andy

A full screen defender
I am one of those people who likes full screen more than widescreen and it is for certain reasons.

I don't have a widescreen TV so there are two black bars on the screen that tend to really annoy me. I understand full screen loses some of the picture, but the black bars just really annoy me on a TV screen.

Maybe one day when I have a widescreen TV and the bars are not there then it won't bother me much, but on my TV they really do get in the way of enjoying whatever you are watching.

I mean widescreen with the bars is okay when I watch DVDs and TV shows on DVD on my computer, as the bars seem less noticeable and that is where I watch most of my DVDs, but I really think that all DVDs should come with an option like at the beginning of the New Guy where there is a screen you can select widescreen or full screen. That way I can watch full screen until I someday get a widescreen TV and then switch over.

-- Johnny

That's the standard argument, but I don't buy it. I have a widescreen TV, and when I watch network television or cable, then I have some bars, too, except mine are vertical and on the left and right side of the screen. Stinks for me, but I get over it because I know what I'm getting for the widescreen set. You should want the whole movie, not a part of it.

-- Andy

And if that doesn't work there's always a whip...
Concerning the ever-present pan & scan vs. widescreen argument;

Maybe it would help to mention to full-frame fanatics that human vision is basically "widescreen?" Hand them a pair of blinders to wear if they fail to understand.

-- Gary

And then make them watch a movie in the theater. :)

-- Andy

...y the force be wit...
Just as a great reference point for people that prefer full screen, tell them to watch the Star Wars DVDs and then ask them what the title of the movie is. I had to withstand this cause I was at a friend's place and he only had full screen movies. Because of the scrolling intro, you barely get to see the full title for more than a couple seconds. "Return of the Jedi" becomes "urn of the J" which then fades into "turn of the Je" which then becomes "eturn of the Jed" before becoming the real title for a few seconds before scrolling into nothingness. This is the best and most clear argument to shut down full screen lovers I have found.

-- Johnny

Back in 1997 when the Star Wars Special Ed. was relapsed on VHS, I picked up the Full screen set as I was quite opposed to widescreen movies (black bars?!?!). At the time I was working in a video store and so I tossed a copy of Star Wars in widescreen in to check it out and that was it... after being able to read the entire initial scroll as it appears on the screen, rather than having to wait for it to grow small halfway up (full screen) I realized the error of my ways and now wont even consider full screen (unless it is the only option...) To all those full screen watchers, if you are able to compare wide vs. full Star Wars, I think that will change your mind for good...

Food for thought.

-- Jamie

Star Wars is good on many fronts. I recall a widescreen vs. full screen site that had a shot from ESB, where Darth Vader was basically fighting a disembodied hand and light saber, because Mark Hamill was cut from the frame. There's also a very good ratio comparison on Sleeping Beauty, where they show the widescreen version of the movie and full screen versions on top of each other, so you can see how much is cut away. But you'd be amazed how many people are unmoved.

-- Andy




http://dvd.ign.com/mail.html

[Dracula]

My guess is that Fullscreen will be wiped out completely very soon because TVs are probably only gonna come out in 16:9 widescreen eventually.
hopefuly, but my fear is that when that happens we'll start getting "widescreen" versions of movies like Citizen Kane that are 1.33:1 OAR

[cg124]

hopefuly, but my fear is that when that happens we'll start getting "widescreen" versions of movies like Citizen Kane that are 1.33:1 OAR


what will that do to the movie?



I really think that if we would have made all DVD's widescreen in the first place everyone would have gotten use to it. Hey it worked in other countrys

[Boro]

no contest. wide.

[iv3rdawG]

no contest. wide.
Ya, it just looks cooler also

[Boiiinng]

I wish they would have never started calling them Widescreen and Full Screen. It should be Full Screen and Pan & Scan. Because almost every movie before the 50s was shot at 4:3, you can't call them widescreen when they come out on DVD, they are called Full Screen and that's it, i.e. Bambi. Full Screen makes more sense because the packaging should be in reference to the DVD not someone's TV. If you buy a Full Screen DVD then you should be seeing the full image of the movie, if you buy a Pan & Scan DVD then you are only seeing certain parts of the image.

[eclipsedman]

It really amazes me that this thread has gone on for so long, this is a movie board and we should know what is better.

[espwolverine]

Man....this is pathetic. I still am curious why people still have this argument. Widescreen is the only way to go because that is that way the film was shot. If a movie is post '50's era then it was shot in 1.33:1. Fullscreen should not be fullscreen at all it should be called zoomscreen. All they do is destroy the movie by zooming in on the picture so it apears to be the full size of the screen. Also if I here one more person whine about the "Black Bars" I am gonna scream. The black bars are not even part of the video signal on anamorphic dvd's. There is no signal there thats why you see nothing. And if you complain because the picture becomes to small, BY A BIGGER TV!!! Its not that hard. The only reason that fullscreen is still around is that there are to many un-educated, lack of respect for the artists vision consumers out there that have been brain washed by the fullscreen VHS format. I don't think it will ever stop. You all can try to justify your "love" of fullscreen but not matter how you look at it, YOU ARE WRONG!!! Widescreen is the way movies are shot now a day's and thats the bottom line. :D

[Inferno]

I wish they would have never started calling them Widescreen and Full Screen. It should be Full Screen and Pan & Scan. Because almost every movie before the 50s was shot at 4:3, you can't call them widescreen when they come out on DVD, they are called Full Screen and that's it, i.e. Bambi. Full Screen makes more sense because the packaging should be in reference to the DVD not someone's TV. If you buy a Full Screen DVD then you should be seeing the full image of the movie, if you buy a Pan & Scan DVD then you are only seeing certain parts of the image.

That's a good point. Some movies do say "full screen", and I have to check on the internet to see whether this is because it was originally made in 4:3 or because it has been edited for dvd that way.

[droidguy1119]

I don't remember why I so smoothly converted to Widescreen. I know it was because I bought a DVD player, and with DVDs many times the only or main option is widescreen. When I saw a Widescreen VHS a few years before, it bothered me. But on DVD it never bothered me at all and I never bought any full-frame DVDs and I don't know why -- I just changed, and that was that.

[Dracula]

Man....this is pathetic. I still am curious why people still have this argument. Widescreen is the only way to go because that is that way the film was shot. If a movie is post '50's era then it was shot in 1.33:1. Fullscreen should not be fullscreen at all it should be called zoomscreen. All they do is destroy the movie by zooming in on the picture so it apears to be the full size of the screen. Also if I here one more person whine about the "Black Bars" I am gonna scream. The black bars are not even part of the video signal on anamorphic <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=22&k=dvd%20s" onmouseover="window.status='dvd\'s'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">dvd's</a>. There is no signal there thats why you see nothing. And if you complain because the picture becomes to small, BY A BIGGER TV!!! Its not that hard. The only reason that fullscreen is still around is that there are to many un-educated, lack of respect for the artists vision consumers out there that have been brain washed by the fullscreen VHS format. I don't think it will ever stop. You all can try to justify your "love" of fullscreen but not matter how you look at it, YOU ARE WRONG!!! Widescreen is the way movies are shot now a day's and thats the bottom line. :D
amen

[Andrey83]

I don't remember why I so smoothly converted to Widescreen. I know it was because I bought a DVD player, and with DVDs many times the only or main option is widescreen. When I saw a Widescreen VHS a few years before, it bothered me. But on DVD it never bothered me at all and I never bought any full-frame DVDs and I don't know why -- I just changed, and that was that.

I remember why i converted. I wanted to see the whole movie, as others could. Instead of just the middle......................

Widescreen IS fullscreen.

4:3, aka "fullscreen" aint fullscreen....

[Viva La Bam]

I will NEVER watch a movie in full screen unless that is all ther is.

[Spidey2DocOck]

Widescreen
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/292929/H.bmp

Fullscreen
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/292929/PDVD_002.bmp