Superman Casting

[Alexander JL]

Since no real cast announcements are set in stone so far, here is a thread for Superman cast hopefuls...

Clark Kent/Superman: Liev Schreiber (sp?)
Lois Lane: Courtney Cox
Lex Luthor: Billy Zane
Jor El: Dean Cain

[Alikat]

I like Billy Zane to play Luthor.The rest are ok.Schreiber as Superman, nah never happen.

[Baadshah]

Superman - An Unknown Actor
Lois Lane - Catherine Zeta Jones
Lex Luther - Billy Zane
Jor-El - Mel Gibson (the perfect jor-el and perfect father figure for Superman.
Jor-El's Wife - Rene Russo
Johnathan Kent - Hugh Jackman
Martha Kent - i don't know
Young Clark Kent - should be the same actor who plays Superman only with makeup to look more younger

[Blueman]

Superman-unknown
Lois Lane-Courtney Cox
Lex Luthor-Billy zane(this guy was ment to be luthor)

[Alexander JL]

Hehe, I think I just started a Courtney Cox for Lois Lane trend here ;)

[Baadshah]

i always that Courtney Cox could be Lois Lane, but i think were just saying that because she looks like the Lois Lane from Richard Donner's film. I always thought she wasn't that perfect to be SUPERMAN's lover.

[Alexander JL]

True dat.

[bludemun]

This may sound screwed up, but I think George Eads - who plays Nick Stokes on CSI - looks like Alex Ross's version of Superman. He's got the jaw and the build. He just needs that curl of hair on the forehead.

[Alexander JL]

Could ya post a pic?

Which brings up a good point: What does everyone think about Superman's curl? Is it an essential part of him? I remember Dean Cain in L&C skimped on the curl...

[NeoVsYoda]

My ideal cast

Clark Kent/Superman: Tom Welling (currently in smallville)
Lois Lane:Eliza Dushku
Jor-El: Anthony Hopkins (certain)
Johnathan Kent: John C. McGinley (Identity, scrubs)
Martha Kent:Gilian Anderson
Lex Luthor:Gary Oldman


hmmm?
:eek:

[bludemun]

Originally posted by Alexander JL
Could ya post a pic?...

Pardon my computer ineptitude, but I don't know how (hey, at least I'm honest), but here are some links...

George Eads pics
www.geocities.com/hollywood/screen/7920/georgee.htm

Alex Ross's Superman
www.alexrossart.com/images/wallpaper/superman800.jpg

Hope that helps.

Eliza as Lois Lane! Damn, that'll get me to the theater even if PeeWee Herman was Supes! Good thinking NeoVsYoda!

[EnderDeschain]

Vin Diesel as Luthor. Go ahead, rip my head off, but I think it would work.

[Alexander JL]

*rips Ender's head off*

[Highlander2]

LISTEN TO ME!!!!!!!! OK? I know what I'm talking about, for Superman, the unknown Matthew Bomer would be perfect as Superman, he'll be cheap to pay for, which will help the budget for the movie instead of hiring a superstar, and either way, people are going to go see the movie because its Superman!!! Look at that god awful Spider-man movie, people went to see that crap with that unknown crappy actor Tobey Maguire and for some reason it was a huge hit jsut because it was Spider-man. Courtney Cox would make a good Lois Lane, cause Cox still looks good, and is the hottest from all the "Friends". Lex Luthor should be played by Billy Zane, he has the looks and voice of a villain like Luthor. That's it, ok? Whatever I say is right, admit it, i'm a genius for coming up with this casting right? you can all bow down before me now. DC rules, Marvel is turning gay, look at Stan Lee now, Stripperella? HAHAHHA there goes your beloved Stan Lee for coming up with that ingenious cartoon, and Marvel coming out with a comic with Princess Diana as a superhero? Geez, Marvel has lost it, theyre going down the tubes.

[sniktawt]

With that one post we'll all bow down before you.
Like that will happen.Sorry.
Newbies....LOL.

Oh, and you did not come up with those casting choices.Matthew Bomer was in talks to play Superman since about maybe April or even March, 2003.Billy Zane and Courtney Cox were favorites on here long before you came.Just letting you know.So when you come up with your own choices , then I'll call you a genius.Until then you're a newb.

[Onimar Synn]

I know Warner's wants a known actor for Supes if possible, because that would be a sure-fire way to get people into the theater. But I can't think of a single big name that is suitable, so they will most certainly have to go with an unknown, or face a disaster. As for the other characters, there are probably a lot of actresses that would make a decent Lois Lane, as the only real criteria are to be spunky and have black hair. And for Lex, I would have to go with Bruce Willis.

[Alexander JL]

Originally posted by sniktawt
With that one post we'll all bow down before you.
Like that will happen.Sorry.
Newbies....LOL.

Oh, and you did not come up with those casting choices.Matthew Bomer was in talks to play Superman since about maybe April or even March, 2003.Billy Zane and Courtney Cox were favorites on here long before you came.Just letting you know.So when you come up with your own choices , then I'll call you a genius.Until then you're a newb.

He's not really a newb. He's just some moron that keeps coming back, ranting, insulting people along the way, getting banned, and displaying he doesn't have much of a life by coming back and repeating the cycle. Its a wonder why his IP isn't banned altogether...

[Highlander2]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA (maniacal laugh) First they tried to crucify me, then they tried holy water. They even tried to burn me, but I keep coming back!!!!!!!!!!! It doesnt matter how many times they ban me, I keep coming back to make your life Alexander JL a living hell!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAAHHA, oops oh yeah, i still say Mathew Bomer should be Superman, DC kicks butt, Marvel doesn't. Long live Batman and Superman movies!!!!

[thebat]

Hey....that George Eads Guy would make a pretty good BATMAN too!

[Alexander JL]

A young Demi Moore might have also been a good choice for Lois Lane.

[sniktawt]

Yeah , Demi would have been good back in 1993 or so, but we all have to get old.


O, this Highlander1 clown is annoying, I hope he gets banned again.

[spiderman_2k]

All they will do is ban his ISP account so the site wont let him register here again...The guy is dumb... :rolleyes:

[Kyle Katarn]

Pulls out a Zorak laser rifle and aims at Highlander...

"Yer GONE!" *Zaaaaaap - KABLOOEY!*

Now back on track......I think John Glover, who plays Lionel Luthor on Smallville, could make an excellent Lex Luthor!

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
All they will do is ban his ISP account so the site wont let him register here again...The guy is dumb... :rolleyes:

Well Highlander2 is banned.I think it was Droppings /originals.What a fool he was.

[pattypimpdaddy2]

I have no idea on who should play as the next superman, but to tell you the truth i have given up all hope of seein a new superman because its been up in the air for so long, I was hopin to see Kevin Smiths Death of Superman

[Alexander JL]

What happens in DoS?

[Kyle Katarn]

A lot! :p

[Alexander JL]

lol!

[Baadshah]

what is this news about McG back on to direct, and he might choose Drew Barrymore as Lois Lane, i mean, talk about wrong stuff

[Alexander JL]

I personally can't see Drew Barrymore as Lois, unless they want to really make the movie have an 'ultra-hip' appeal...

[spiderman_2k]

Yeah i really dislike that whole idea....
I still think Ashely Judd should be Lois Lane...

[Baadshah]

oh cool, i forgot about her, Ashely Judd will be perfect

[Baadshah]

i think Eric Bana can be a great Superman

[spiderman_2k]

I dont....Maybe an okay Clark Kent...

[Baadshah]

when u see the Hulk, he has Christopher Reeves looks. The square jaw and the voice. Plus he is tall

[spiderman_2k]

Yeah but hes not a great actor....Seeing him as Supes would ruin it for me....

[pattypimpdaddy2]

Eric Bana was boring in HULK no way would he be a superman, and the death of superman thing is that warner brothers thought it was going to cost to much money i guess so they decided to scrap the idea from what i've been reading. CAGE was gonna play superman at the time this was like 3 to 4 years ago

[spiderman_2k]

Yeah he went in for costume fittings and everything before the project was shelved....

[pattypimpdaddy2]

Yeah thats what i've been readin as well

[Baadshah]

eric bana is a great actor, he actually is the hero in Black Hawk Down, much more than Josh Hartnett

[pattypimpdaddy2]

Harttnett can act better the Bana i seen HULK and it was boring which is shockin cuz i loved the 80's show, but i can neither as Superman I could see Cage as Superman

[sniktawt]

An unknown, people, they should hire an unknown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw all these known people, there are a billion actors who no one has seen who would kick ass as Superman.We don't need a known face he's already presold so it's not a risk.

[Alexander JL]

IMO, Tom Cruise has the look and the voice (sorta like Reeve's voice), but he's just too well known...

[Baadshah]

i agree JL. He is too well known, and short, which is not good. Other than that, he would have been perfect.

[pattypimpdaddy2]

I agree as well

[Alexander JL]

Well the actor's height wouldn't matter at all since they would just use special effects to take care of that... Unless your talking about Troy Verner (mini-me)

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by Baadshah
Eric Bana is a great actor

:lol:
Yeah, I hear there is already Oscar Buzz over his Hulk performance, He is a shoe-in for best actor.

Give me a break.

[Baadshah]

just cause Hulk was boring doesn't make Eric Bana a boring actor. He acted well as Bruce Banner in Hulk. Watch BHD, you'll see what i mean

[Alexander JL]

Bump

[Hypestyle]

Will Smith for Superman?
say what?

hey, looks like Will is angling to play the man of steel-- he figures since so many guys have passed on it, maybe this is his chance to do his longtime superhero fantasy....
.... Will thinks he can bring some real "flava" to the role, as Superman's traditionally looked at as kind of stodgy..
"You know, if Arnold (Schwarzenegger) can run for governor of California and peeple don't blink, I figure, I've got just as good a chance to play Superman."

now that sounds neat....

[sunflower03]

i heard they were looking for an actor under 30 so wouldn't will smith and some of the other suggestions on here be too old for that?

[bjgroves91]

Yeah you're right. Will Smith as Superman, no way.

[Hypestyle]

well, we'll see.. heh.. at least, they'd have a hit song on the soundtrack...

[Baadshah]

Anthony Hopkins is off the project. The best choice as Superman's Krypton Father should be, drum roll please
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MEL GIBSON, the perfect father figure. Why would they choose Anthony Hopkins. He is a good actor and all, but is way old to play a father of a newborn.

[Baadshah]

who would you choose as the next Jor-El

[todd philip]

i think Eric Bana would be a good choice, so would

Joaquin Phoenix
Elijah Wood

[OzzMosiz]

Jor-El - Jonathan Frakes, Bruce Campbell (hey he looks a bit like Supes)

[jediknight]

Joaquin's got that weird lip thing going on...wouldn't really work for supes since he wouldn't be scarred. I'll stick with Brendan Frasier.

[Baadshah]

i think he was talking about who could play Jor-El, Superman's Krptonian father. I have no idea why he said Elijah Wood, maybe he got too much of the RING in his mind while he wrote that :)

[Baadshah]

do u think she can be good to play Lois Lane, she does want to play her so badly. At least she's better than Drew Barrymore
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1710/SelmaBlair_Grani_694227_400.jpg

[Baadshah]

oh, and her name is Selma Blair. Anyway, where is everybody?

[scifi guy]

Yeah, Selma is definently better then Drew Barrymore( Drew is one of the worst suggestions i've ever heard)

[Megacles]

Henry Cavill for Superman.

http://www.chrisonomicon.com/images/daily/020203.gif

http://www.mostbeautifulman.com/imagesMarch2002/henrycavill_on.jpg

http://www.intensevibe.net/share/henry_rise.jpg

[Baadshah]

who's he, did i see him anywhere else?

[Megacles]

He was the son in The Count of Monte Cristo. He was in talks for Superman before, and is currently in talks for Batman.

[OzzMosiz]

Superman and Batman are gonna flop so bad if they get someone too young, mark my words!

[admscotty]

well for startes i would stick with tom welling of smallville and at least wait till smallville ends...i just dont think it would be proper to just make a movie while smallville is on...that would confuse a lot of people who loves smallville and r fans of the show. If they cant get tom welling willing to sign for the superman movie they should try to cast dean cain since i think he did a good job of doing clark kent/superrman in L&C.
Lois Lane-Selma Hayek agree with badasshd. i also think that if tptb at WB can make a great casting choice in Christian Bale as Batman why not superman? i just cant see henry cavill as supes..wishful thinking. as for lex luthor i dont really know..unless they have the brain n decency to wait till smallville is over cast michael rosenberg

[jediknight]

If henry were older, he would be a great choice...he'd have to beef up a bit though. Selma would be a good choice as Lois but the problem is they are going to cast Lois around the age of the person they cast for Superman. If they cast Matthew Bomer (the best canidate so far), they can't cast Selma because they look too far apart in age.

[Baadshah]

let's have a contest about who should be the next Superman.
choose one from the two.
I will post more chooses later on.
Brenden Fraser
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/54/039_44427.jpg

vs.

Matthew Bomer
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-lives/matthew-bomer1.jpg

let the race begin

[jediknight]

Matthew Bomer because he would be the cheaper actor. According to filmforce.ign.com Brendan Frasier is most likely to get the part though.

[Baadshah]

come on everybody, i waiting for 20 votes

[BlakeAE77]

I don't know who Matthew Bomer is, but he's a better choice than Fraser. So I vote Bomer.

And BTW, Selma Blair would make a good Lois Lane. I've also thought about Alyssa Milano.

[el whip]

Fraser, he has the look and build, but he is gonna charge 25 million!!!! Also there's a rumor that M.Night is in talks to direct it.

[jediknight]

M.Night...no way. I'm sure he could do a "serious" movie as opposed to a thriller, but Superman really isn't supposed to have any "thriller" elements to it. It would be...interesting...to see him do it. I'd pick anyone over McG at this point.

[Marvin]

Damn fine news.

[sunflower03]

i have no clue who mathew bomer is but he would be a better choice because he is certainly an unknown, is a cheaper actor, and looks more like what superman is supposed to look like. brendan fraser isn't a bad actor but i don't think he has the look for superman.

[OzzMosiz]

Bomer looks like a young Supes, but I'm gonna go with a hair dyed Fraser - we need someone in their 30's.
Selma Blair for Lois is a must!

[Baadshah]

where are all the votes, keep coming

[Baadshah]

ok, since none of you is voting, Michael Bomer has won the round.
On to the next round
Tom Welling
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1193/TomWelling_Granitz_184148.jpg

vs.

Ashton Kutcher
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1191/AshtonKutcher_Granitz_183609.jpg

[OzzMosiz]

Welling, Kutcher is the s h i t s!

[OzzMosiz]

But I'd rather go with this guy:
Domonic Purcell (TV's John Doe), he pulls of being kinda nerdy well in John Doe - thoughts?

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1958/Events/1958/DominicPur_Grani_1064956_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Purcell,%20Dominic
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1481/Events/1481/DominicPur_Ausse_541635_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Purcell,%20Dominic

[Baadshah]

he won't really look like Superman, he could actually pull of The Thing in Fantastic Four

[OzzMosiz]

Baadshah, why not? looks like him to me. More so than Brendan Fraser, Matthew Bomer and Ashton Kutcher.

[Baadshah]

na, if you shave his beard and gave him a good hairstyle, he won't pull it off. He doesn't have the all American Look that Superman has. His nose is flat. Look at his smile here, not Superman at all
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1481/DominicPur_Ausse_541632_400.jpg

He probably is a little better than Ashton Kutcher, but his not better than the rest that i mention above. And his voice, i remember his voice from John Doe, to rusty. He is old, he is about 33. They need someone in their mid 20's.

[OzzMosiz]

ok, fair enough. We'll agree to disagree. I think someone in their early or mid 20's won't do it, especially Bomer - he looks too young.

[Baadshah]

ya, i agree there, i don't know why there are going for some teenager?

[_manuel_]

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*cries*

From movies.com
09/19/03
OK, we've gotten absolutely final word on the star and director. Really. We swear. There's no way they're changing this. Brendan Fraser as Supe and M. Night Shyamalan as director. That should tide you over for the next five minutes, until there's a new rumor. (Cinematic Happenings Under Development)
http://movies.go.com/movies/S/superman5_2004/buzz.html

How can they do that?
Brendan Fraser? Hell, Queen Latifah would make a better superman.

Please let it be a rumour...

[OzzMosiz]

i've heard than Shyamalan is not director, so Manuel - take that rumour with a pinch of salt.

[BlakeAE77]

The only person I want to be Superman is Tom Welling. I will not be happy with anyone else.

[Baadshah]

Tom Welling won't be Superman (as much as i want him to), he is doing the show. I think he is better off doing the show because everybody will remember him playing the Clark Kent.

[_manuel_]

I think at some point Ratner said that Chris Rock had a better chance than Tom Welling.

[Baadshah]

rock for jimmy, not Superman

[Baadshah]

Superman-V has word on what exactly is going on with the McG/Peters Superman movie. Word from an uber-reliable source is that "they are still budgeting and JJ Abrams is doing a rewrite".

This source also said that this rewrite could be the one that will officially greenlight the film. One wonders how long the budgeting process takes on a movie like Superman.

S-V has come across a list of 5 actors who may be on the shortlist to play The Man of Steel. The source above commented on the situation: "As far as I know there is no one specifically yet that they've had discussions with about the lead". Despite this, it is never too early to be thinking about casting, you can bet the farm that names are being thrown around. McG even talked about 3 names that he had in mind for the lead, I doubt he kept them to himself. Here are the actors we've heard:
Matthew Bomer
Henry Cavill
Brenden Frasier
George Lucus
Josh Lucas - Never
Scott Speedman - the guy from Underworld, also never.

Most likely it would go the Matthew Bomer, and unknown and the right age. Even his name looks memorable

[Baadshah]

does anyone think Matthew Bomer will get the Title. I think they should still search for someone. Tom Welling would be perfect, but he is doing the show. I think people like me prefer tom welling because he playes Clark Kent for 2 straight seasons so we recognize him as the future Superman in the Show.

[OzzMosiz]

I still think slightly older than Bomer. Yes Welling would be perfect, he's probably contracted into the show and can't get
out even if he wanted too. I'm surprised though, from a MONEY point of view he could make more than the 5,6,7 seasons of Smallville he'll likely to make

[sunflower03]

well i don't think they would pick him for the movie, because from what i hear he is considered too young. what maybe they should do is wait a few years more, and just make a superman movie that ties into the tv series.

[_manuel_]

Originally posted by sunflower03
well i don't think they would pick him for the movie, because from what i hear he is considered too young. what maybe they should do is wait a few years more, and just make a superman movie that ties into the tv series.

That would be a terrible idea IMO. That would completely ruin the franchise...

I dont like Tom Welling for Superman either. I think he should be played either by someone slightly older, or an unknown.

[Baadshah]

he is 26 years old, they put alot of make up on him to make him look younger

[Baadshah]

So far, from the 5 top contenders to be superman, i see Matthew Bomer as the right choice.
http://www.geocities.com/matthewbomeronline/Animation.gif
but the makers might go for Henry Cavill, who is 20 years old and look alot like Ashton Kutcher

[Dogbert0228]

This comes from www.superman-V.com, 10/16/03

DO WE HAVE A SUPERMAN?

Henry Cavill

The young British actor Henry Cavill will be the fifth live-action Superman?! That's what the makers of the new Superman movie seem to want. You extremely cool fanboys (and girls) who've been hanging around S-V since the start will know of him. From here and more recently amongst the five names buzzing around the Warner lot.


Anyhow, please don't take this as gospel until WB issue a press release saying he has the role. Saying Cavill will be Superman for definite, you're just asking to be hung, drawn and quartered if it doesn't happen. Out of those five actors, Henry Cavill is the frontrunner. He is who McG and co. want in the lead. Things move fast in Hollywood, tomorrow they might find someone else they think is better. Today, at this moment in time, it's Henry Cavill.

For Superman, there's no Christian Bale. Most of the polls that go around seem to be split almost 50/50 between Matthew Bomer and Henry Cavill. Sometimes Bomer swings it, more recently it's been Cavill. With Cavill as Superman it may go someway to pleasing the fan community and winning some support for McG and Jon Peters (yes, crazy as it seems, he's apparently part of the "Cavill for Superman" brigade at WB).
Henry's age has been an issue with some fans, at the age of 20 he would be the youngest Superman yet. Although a problem for some this would fit with the planned trilogy of films, showing Superman's growth from the very beginning. The first film ill deal with his origin and moving to a young Superman in Metropolis, still very new to his powers and abilities. The main reason for alot of support for Henry is to do with his acting abilities. He is quite highly regarded as an actor, in a similar way Tobey Maguire was before Spiderman, and has received acclaim for his role in The Count Of Monte Christo opposite other Superman fanboy favourites Guy Pearce and James Caviezel. Previous reports suggested that between Bomer and Cavill the WB always thought Cavill as the better actor.

With Cavill as Superman it may go someway to pleasing the fan community and winning some support for McG and Jon Peters (yes, crazy as it seems, he's apparently part of the "Cavill for Superman" brigade at WB).

Rumour is building that Henry Cavill will be offered Superman if the McG/Peters/Abrams Superman goes forward. Does he want it though? In a post on a fansite Cavill spoke briefly about Superman.

" I am going on a callback audition for Superman today (they're remaking the original movies) fear is i may be too young though.....which is so often the case =( "

I think if offered we won't have a Harnett-like decision. The post dates from February this year and since then both Henry and his agents have been tight lipped about his involvement with Superman. When asked for information recently his agents confirmed they have had meetings but wouldn't say when. Cavill is obviously thought of highly at the WB as he was in the running for Batman and is believed to be considered for the Harry Potter films as Cederic Diggory.

Problem is, I can't say I'm confident that McG's Superman movie will be made. It's in the hands of WB now, it's up to them to greenlight the film and back Cavill.

[Baadshah]

It's meant to be.
George Reeves
Christopher Reeves
and now we have another Reeves in this world, Keanu Reeves. He would do a great job as Superman

[Hypestyle]

heh..

keanu won't happen.. he won't jump into yet another franchise, after all the matrix hoopla & stress.. it would be interesting, though.. ah well..

Hopefully WACHOWSKI's will produce & direct the flick..

[Hypestyle]

hmmm.. have they made any official comments on this, one way or the other?

[Quint]

no

[OzzMosiz]

there "Neo" flight looked impressive I must admit.

[sniktawt]

now it's overplayed.

[FVD]

Originally posted by Baadshah
It's meant to be.
George Reeves
Christopher Reeves
and now we have another Reeves in this world, Keanu Reeves. He would do a great job as Superman

:lol:

What's next get remixed Jim Reeves music into their soundtrack.

Welcome To Our World and all that.

I've already mentioned this and I think I now stand by my choice in believing that Vince Vaughn should be Superman.

Anybody with me????

FVD.

[sniktawt]

It's not Christopher Reeves...

There is no "S" on the end of his name, It's "REEVE".

[Baadshah]

same deal

[Stardust]

Originally posted by Hypestyle
keanu won't happen.. he won't jump into yet another franchise, after all the matrix hoopla & stress.. it would be interesting, though.. ah well..
one word for you; Constantine.

[Kris Hodgson]

E-Online reports that Henry Cavill is McG's choice for the part of Superman. I didn't think they were aiming so young for the part.

http://ourworld.cs.com/princewilliam389/images/henry%20cavill.jpg

[sunflower03]

yeah i heard they wanted a college age superman.

[FVD]

Originally posted by sniktawt
It's not Christopher Reeves...

There is no "S" on the end of his name, It's "REEVE".

Oops. My mistake :p

That Cavill chap looks okay for Superman too I suppose.

FVD.

[Baadshah]

he is too young

[OzzMosiz]

Yep far too young. They are doing exactly like I feared they would - they are youthing it up too much.

[FVD]

Ok then now I want some opinions here.

I'm really sure that Vince Vaughn can pull off a decent Superman. The guy looks as though he is a pretty big guy. If Billy Zane is considered for Lex then we have 2 not so old actors playing their respective roles.

As far as Lois goes she has to be a little older. I don't mind the likes of Katie Holmes etc but Lois needs to be older also.

Must we really have young actors...really. It would be stupid.

If any of you guys disagree about Vaughn not being ideal for Superman then I really want to know. I'm curious to hear what you guys think.

FVD.