Spoiler*******What I think the Thing in the place where the other thing happened is**

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Spoiler




This is what I think the veil in the Department of Mystery is.

Heres what we know:
you die if you go through
it is an execution chamber
there is something on the other side
You can't come back through

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I think that the veil is a doorway to whatever is after death. When the ministry wanted to execute people they would force people to go through the curtain. Then that person would go to the afterlife. You die as you go through. No body no mess no problem. Harry could hear whats on the other side and that must have been people on the other side. Since Luna could hear them too maybe you can only hear people that you knew. It is a window to death.

Thats what I think

[hpk37067]

Perhaps it's like the thestrals, you can't hear it unless you have seen death.

[moviegeek]

interesting point hpk37067

[cynosure]

Eh, it's a possibility, I suppose, but it just seems like it's a bit too easy, if you know what I mean. There are so many other cool things that JKR could do with that Archway....

[Stands Alone]

I agree with HPk..wonderfully put.

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by Stands Alone
I agree with HPk..wonderfully put.

Thank you.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Can we all agree that it is an execution device?

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
Can we all agree that it is an execution device?

That was my first guess. (It's in another thread somewhere)

[Fable]

but another thing to ponder on, why was everyone so enchanted by it?

[Fable]

maybe the veil posseses so much magic that when you pass by it it sort of puts its own little spell on you to mystify your mind

[Stands Alone]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Thank you.

Your welcome :)

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by Fable
maybe the veil posseses so much magic that when you pass by it it sort of puts its own little spell on you to mystify your mind

If it's like a magical object of sorts, who would have created it. If it possesses magic, someone had to enchant it. I bet that it will be key. I also bet that could be a weapon Voldemort could use in the future.

[HeadHunter]

my guess would be the execution thing too....as i just said in another thread actually :)

[hpk37067]

I wondered who enchanted it. And who has that kind of magic to make a portal into the world beyond.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Who knows but it HAS to be an execution device. Dumbledore said that is was an evecution chamber and execution chambers need an execution device so what else could it be?

[eclipsedman]

Well it could be a look into the afterlife. A question alot of people ask is what happens after death, in a way that arch could be a look into the answer that we seek. Its a question that people think about so much that the archway could possibly put a "spell" on the person and try to pull the person in. Even now people go to huge lengths to cheat death and get a look into the afterlife.

[hpk37067]

If it is an executions chamber, why is it in the Department of Mysteries and not still being used? Or maybe the Dementors replaced it.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by hpk37067
If it is an executions chamber, why is it in the Department of Mysteries and not still being used? Or maybe the Dementors replaced it.

It's in the Department of Mysteries, probably because that's where they keep things they don't want people fussing with. It's in a room that sounds like it was an ampitheater-type setup - might have had trials right there.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

I don't think so.

[Mobycat]

Why not? The room was called the Chamber of Death.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

YOu don't have trials in a death chamber.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
YOu don't have trials in a death chamber.

Says who? It happens even today:

http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/news/april_2003_update_21.htm

Scroll down that one, and you'll see this: "TCHRD received confirmed information that Lobsang Dhondup was executed on Sunday, 26 January 2003, immediately after a secret trial at the Sichuan Provincial Higher People's Court."

We don't know how the Ministry of Magic had acted at one time - look how they apparently treated the giants.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

well whatever the room is used for the archway is an execution device.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
well whatever the room is used for the archway is an execution device.

Absolutely. I think everyone is in agreement on that. Question now is, what was it's original use...is it still used...

[hpk37067]

Well, if they want to do something bad to the peps in Azkaban, they have the Dementors(or used to) to do the Kiss. But maybe they have to use it again because the Dementors are gone.

[HeadHunter]

Sir nick says that the dept of mysteries study death....to find out about the ghost things...maybe thats what the veil is...so they can study death

[hpk37067]

It was called the Death Chamber after I reread the book. And what is the door that is kept locked always?

[Boods]

Originally posted by hpk37067
It was called the Death Chamber after I reread the book. And what is the door that is kept locked always?

that is what we should be wondering .. what is behind that locked door .. harry will have to encounter that door again later on...
i have really no idea...
could hide a weapon as well maybe .. something that takes u through time and allows u to be yourself in contrast with the time turner which makes u see yourself back in time .. i always thought a device like that should exist... since i heard about the time turner in book 3 i was wondering if an even better, "more dangerous" time turner existed...like that one .. imagine all harry could do...
could be just a stupit thought as well .. it is late

[Mobycat]

I already told everyone what's behind that door:

http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14675&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

scroll down to almost the bottom of the page.

:)

[_manuel_]

when dumbledore said that i always assumed it was love he was talking about...it also can not be taught and it would tie in with his mother dying for him and quirrel not being able to touch harry in philosophers stone. i think dd said something like that. that is also the reason of why harry still lives with the dursleys (sort of)


`But she took you, Dumbledore cut across him. `She may have taken you grudgingly, furiously, unwillingly, bitterly, yet still she took you, and in doing so, she sealed the charm I placed upon you. Your mothers sacrifice made the bond of blood the strongest shield I could give you.
`I still dont-
`While you can still call home the place where your mothers blood dwells, there you cannot be touched or harmed by Voldemort. He shed her blood, but it lives on in you and her sister. Her blood became your refuge. You need return there only once a year, but as long as you can still call it home, whilst you are there he cannot hurt you. Your aunt knows this. I explained what I had done in the letter I left, with you, on her doorstep. She knows that allowing you houseroom may well have kept you alive for the past fifteen years.

[hpk37067]

I wonder why Malfoy just didn't take a time turner and go back in time and take the Prophecy differently.

[LOTRfan]

It must be very difficult to acquire...if a death eater couldn't even swipe one. The Ministry probably has many ways to keep it out of the wrong hands. And anyway, even if he could...it probably wouldn't have worked because J.K. made time travel work in a way in which Malfoy wouldn't be doing it over but would be doing something in addition to what he already did. Remember he can't let his other self be seen and he'd have to get Harry when he or the other death eaters weren't around . It would've been too risky.

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by hpk37067
I wonder why Malfoy just didn't take a time turner and go back in time and take the Prophecy differently.


SSSHHH you will give the death eaters idea's

[hpk37067]

No, Malfoy was in the Department of Mysteries and there were Time Turners everywhere. I wonder why he just didn't take one and go back.

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by HeadHunter
SSSHHH you will give the death eaters idea's

That room had time turners. Then the Death Eaters are idiots.

[Ethan_hunt]

Mobycat, what do you think is behind that door. Please, you can explain it, or point me to where you already have. Everything I've read that you've written was real vague and I don't understand. I think you were kind of thinking what I was thinking. I think Harry's parents might be in there. Just a guess, but where are James and Lilly Potter's bodies? Harry has never asked to visit them and JKR has never brought it up. I've always wondered.

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by hpk37067
The Death Eaters are idiots.

HERE HERE

[que_SuertE777]

Well, what do you expect? The people who helped bring Crabbe and Goyle into this world are Death Eaters. Can't really get high intellect with that bloodline.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Ethan_hunt
Mobycat, what do you think is behind that door. Please, you can explain it, or point me to where you already have. Everything I've read that you've written was real vague and I don't understand. I think you were kind of thinking what I was thinking. I think Harry's parents might be in there. Just a guess, but where are James and Lilly Potter's bodies? Harry has never asked to visit them and JKR has never brought it up. I've always wondered.

What's behind the door is compassion/love. I know...hard to explain, as those are not physical things. Harry has loads of it, Voldemort has none - and hates them. That's why when Harry thought "I'll see Sirius again" when Voldemort had taken control of him, he (Voldemort) immediately left his body. As Dumbledore said, he hates what Harry has in his heart.

At least, that's what I think is there.

[que_SuertE777]

If compassion/love is behind the door, why is it kept locked?

[Mobycat]

Good question. You'd think it'd be the one thing they'd keep *unlocked.*

But, with Harry, it also has caused sorrow - Sirius for instance.

[que_SuertE777]

If it really is love/compassion, maybe there has to be a balance and that's why it needs to be locked.

[hpk37067]

Perhaps something that Dumbledore said could tell us why it is locked. And Malfoy is a pretty smart dude. Why didn't he use the Time Turner?

[Bambi]

My first impression was that it was an execution room. Then it occured to me that they wouldn't be keeping an execution device in the Department of Mysteries, not in the main wing anyway, just for security reasons. And if the device was disused, why keep the amphitheatre setup? Now I am inclined to think that the Department study Death and use the doorway to communicate with the dead. But then again, why doesn't Harry ask for explanations? It would only be natural if he did. Perhaps Hermione (who 'showed signs of wanting to talk about Sirius') but didn't want to upset Harry, found out something about the whole thing and it is coming up in the next part...

[Laterose]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Perhaps something that Dumbledore said could tell us why it is locked. And Malfoy is a pretty smart dude. Why didn't he use the Time Turner?
Because you just can't change the past without changing something else as well.

[hpk37067]

I don't understand.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Time travel is only possible in a few circumstances.

If you travel back in time to change the past then if you do change the past your actions will have repercussions and the future/present would be changed enough that you never would come together in the exact circumstances to go back in time the first place.

The death eaters are smart enough to know not to change the past in any significant way. If you travel back in time your former self must know that you are traveling back in time so the future will not be changed.

[HeadHunter]

the guy from Mugglenet reckon that Harry WILL be able to contact Sirius someway

[que_SuertE777]

Well, we sorta all reckon that.

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by que_SuertE777
Well, we sorta all reckon that.

yeah your right...roll on the next book

[Tim37ninjageniu]

There is no way in hell that Harry will ever meet Sirius again.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Even if he could find a way to talk to the dead he would talk to his parents, not Sirius.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
There is no way in hell that Harry will ever meet Sirius again.
*raises hand tentatively* Actually....if they were both "in hell" as you mentioned, then couldn't they meet/talk to each other?:D ;) :p

[Tim37ninjageniu]

well in that unlikely circumstance yes it would be possible.

[LOTRfan]

*grins smugly*.... hehe:D

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
Even if he could find a way to talk to the dead he would talk to his parents, not Sirius.

I wonder if that would actually be the case. I mean, sure Sirius isn't "family" in the true sense...but Harry actually knew him. He never knew his parents (or not enough to remember them).

[Tim37ninjageniu]

which is why he would want to talk to them

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
which is why he would want to talk to them

But he has come to know Sirius, however little time he had. And what with the way things are now, he needs someone who he can talk to comfortably. Sirius was that person. The only adult he ever knew that he could talk to. (I'm not sure if I'm explaining it all that well).

Yes, he'd want to talk to his parents - simply because he's never talked to them before. But the comfort level isn't there that he has with Sirius now. It would come, for sure. But not immediately.

[que_SuertE777]

Technically, he has talked to his parents, but not what you would call an actual conversation. In GoF he "talked" if you would call it that, to his parents' echoes. Actually it was more like they were talking to him, but w/e.

[hpk37067]

I don't know. I like the feeling that once something is gone or out of reach, I like it staying there.

[que_SuertE777]

Well this is the wizarding world, nothing's really ever out of reach.

[hpk37067]

Except death.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

I agree completely. Death is death is death is deceased.

[hpk37067]

Absolutely.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Completely.

[hpk37067]

Positively.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Without a dought.

[hpk37067]

Okay, no more senseless posts. I have seen the error in my ways. If I were Harry, I wouldn't want to talk to my parents simply because if you have a taste of something good, you won't want to leave it. When Harry saw the Mirror of Erised, he loved it and wouldn't want it to go because he loved seeing his parents. I know he would feel sad.

[jediknight]

He also busted the mirror Sirius gave him in a fit of anger. I look at that as J.K. writing out the possibility that Sirius could ever come back.

[funnie bunnie]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
Without a dought.

Would that be doubt, or doughnut?:D

[Tim37ninjageniu]

Can it be both?

[Laterose]

oh, I want a doughnut

[hpk37067]

:confused:

[LOTRfan]

Now that is an example of a needless post. I thought you said you were a changed man/boy (hehe). *grins evily*

[Laterose]

you still trying to start a fight? :D

[hpk37067]

Of course I'm going to start a fight. Duh!!! Anyway, my senseless post wasn't really senseless, just showing what I was feeling at that moment. And your post describing my supposed senseless post is senseless.

[Laterose]

this whole thread is senseless :p