SPOILER : The 'Truth' about the one who dies?!...

[D-fence]

You know, the thing that strikes me most after reading about Serius death is: We never see his dead body!! Think about it: Harry hasn't got a body to bury! No grave to visit! Rowling could have written an emotional funeral scene in there, but instead we only get: Serius looking scared and falling trough 'the veil'.

Now: What IS that veil? What are those voices behind it? What lies behind that archway? Where has Serius body gone?

I think he's still 'alive' somehow.. trapped in a world between worlds.. I re-read the chapter a couple of times, and now i'm more convinced then ever:
This is NOT the last we will see or hear of Serius Black!

[Tim37ninjageniu]

you dumbass add this before your post with brackets. spoiler.

after your post write this with brakets. /spoiler

[Tim37ninjageniu]

good point though i disagree

[[A]nDuRiL]

when i read the hp series, i always felt close to the character of Sirius Black. somehow, he was the glimmer of hope leading harry out of his dark past. and now he's gone... wad made jk rowling do tt, i dunno, but i dun like it. it cut me too deep.

[jared2402]

I'm not sure, it's very iffy?? Although, When you read latter on, when Dumbldore is speaking to Fudge, he sayes"If you go to the death room, you will find.." So i'm guessing it's like when someone is given the capitol punishment.............

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
you dumbass add this before your post with brackets. spoiler.

after your post write this with brakets. /spoiler


Before you start calling anyone names, you should know that there have been different ways of indicating spoilers allowed on this board. Some people put it in the title of the thread, some put it in the body of the work and then put several spaces and then type the spoiler, and some do as you suggested and put in the spoiler brackets. *All* forms have been accepted. D-fence has been posting here for a *very* long time, and I think what you called him was unnecessary.

kerry

[D-fence]

I just though putting 'SPOILER' in the topic title would be enough :( So sorry if you still read something you didn't want to know at this point Tim37..

Ow and Thx Kerry! ;)
What's your take on the subject? Is Serius really gone?!..

[Boods]

Originally posted by D-fence

What's your take on the subject? Is Serius really gone?!..

SPOILERS ... the whole thread is full of spoilers so ...


FIRST OF ALL ITS SIRIUS NOT SERIUS ....
i think he is definitly gone but what is the veil really is a good questions ...
this is not the last time we hear about the veil, the archway and those voices behind IMO ...

wish sirius could come back because he is sooo cool but in the same time i dont want him to come back ... cos now harry is super pissed off i mean ... anyway sirius couldnt do anything useful cos he was stuck in his house.. maybe j.k should have cleared him and killed of someone else ... someone had to die because harry had to feel stupid and guilty at the end for falling in voldemorts trap ... sirius's death is harry's fault for falling in the trap and not doing occlumency enough, snape's fault for not teaching harry occlumency enough, and a bit dumbledore's fault for keeping sirius in ......
i really wanted sirius to kill wormtail before he died cos thats the murder he was always accused off ... i guess i want lupin to kill wormtail now because he has betrayed and its in a way his fault his two best friends are now dead... and also it pissed me off sirius was killed by beatrix lestranges ... i hope harry kills her hard .... cos she is one b*tch...
i was surprised wormtail did not appear in the book ...
and i think sirius is definitely gone ... maybe he will come back in a shadow like in book 4 for beatrix' wand ... or maybe in harry's dreams ...

[evenstar]

Sirius is really gone, but he was one of my favourite characters! I cant believe that Harry didnt remember the mirror before, it doesnt really make sense him forgetting something that important, but anyway....
What made it even worse was Harrys reaction, it hurt me real bad. Sirius was a great character, he was the only thing left for Harry, why did Jk have to kill anyone, it would have still remained a great book without the death!

[Tim37ninjageniu]

sorry i suppose i was just being rash i apoligize to D-fence

[D-fence]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
sorry i suppose i was just being rash i apoligize to D-fence

Oh it's ok! :)

Hey but remember when Dumbledore told Voldemort: "There are worse things than death Tom" Could it be that the archway has something to do with it in some way? And what IS kept behind 'the always locked door' down there in the department of mysteries?..

Damn it's gonna be allong wait till book 6! It better not be another 3 years!! :(

[Tim37ninjageniu]

unfortunately it might be. this is the last time ill read a HP book and be the same age as him.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by evenstar
Sirius is really gone, but he was one of my favourite characters! I cant believe that Harry didnt remember the mirror before, it doesnt really make sense him forgetting something that important, but anyway....


Well, he didn't know it was a mirror until he opened it. BUT...that's going to be interesting once he realizes if he HAD opened it straight away, he would have known right off that Sirius was safe in the house. How much is he going to blame himself for not opening the package? Seems like he's going to be even MORE angry in the next book.

[j.r.]

Originally posted by D-fence
I think he's still 'alive' somehow.. trapped in a world between worlds.. I re-read the chapter a couple of times, and now i'm more convinced then ever:
This is NOT the last we will see or hear of Serius Black!

I had exactly the same thoughts. Remember Gandalf falling from the Bridge in LotR? Didn´t we all think he was dead when we read the LotR for the first time?
Maybe I have watched too many movies and read too many comic books, but the rule there always is: they ain´t dead if there is no body.:D
I am expecting Sirius to make a comeback in book 7 to save the day and for a real happy ending.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

i would think he was alive but one of the things i like best about HP is that it is not a fairy tale. This isnt a guy meets girl, guy beats enemies, happily ever after tale. If it was Harry would be with Cho instead of consistently embarrasing himself in front of her. Happy endings arent always the best ones. I can't see JKR lying to us. She said someone would die.

[Kerry from Cali]

[i]
Ow and Thx Kerry! ;)
What's your take on the subject? Is Serius really gone?!.. [/B]

Not a problem at all! ;) I've always enjoyed your posts, and I agree, wholeheartedly, about your opinion of John Williams' work. He's amazing! I *love* the way he's captured the heart of the story. Did you get the sound track to CoS too? His theme to Gilderoy Lockhart is inspiring. He made it seem deceptive and smarmy, in the same breath. Just wonderful. :) (and *my* apologies if I refered to you as "him" in error. I couldn't remember ever knowing one way or the other) :)

As to Sirius, my thoughts are that it wouldn't have affected Jo so strongly, if she knew that he'd be back. Killing him, but having him around in some way, would have softened the blow. But in every pre-release interview, when she spoke of the death, she seemed to be racked with grief. There's also the part where Sir Nick said, "He will not come back, ... he will have gone on."

There may be something more to that curtain, and what lies behind it. I, too, think it will show up again, but I don't think it will be in a satisfactory way for Harry.

And what happens now to Kreacher? Sirius was the last of his line. Does this free Kreacher? Can he give away their secrets? I can't believe book six will be another 2 1/2 to 3 years away. wow.

Kerry =)

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Kerry from Cali

And what happens now to Kreacher? Sirius was the last of his line. Does this free Kreacher? Can he give away their secrets? I can't believe book six will be another 2 1/2 to 3 years away. wow.

Kreacher can go to Sirius' cousin. That's where he went for a little while in this book - which means Malfoy may have a house elf again. And considering the house elves are supposed to have quite a bit of magical power...and Kreacher seems to be much against Sirius - that means he's probably going to go against the Order, too. Bad news for the order, I think.

[j.r.]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
i would think he was alive but one of the things i like best about HP is that it is not a fairy tale. This isnt a guy meets girl, guy beats enemies, happily ever after tale. If it was Harry would be with Cho instead of consistently embarrasing himself in front of her. Happy endings arent always the best ones. I can't see JKR lying to us. She said someone would die.

Well LotR isn´t exactly a fairy tale either (are we just calling books containing elves "no fairy tales"?:confused: :D ). I´m not saying JKR was lying, but this could all depend on the definition of "dying" (remember, we were once told that Darth killed Luke´s father) and the rest could be PR. And by the way, I didn´t find the death of Sirius to be such a tearjerker, it happened a little bit to fast for that (and no emotional funeral).
And for Harry not being with Cho: well we are only witnessing chapter 5 of 7, we are in the middle of the story, thats where things always get complicated and bleak looking for the hero (Empire strikes back wasn´t all happiness, was it?) For the real ending we have to wait for book 7.

[D-fence]

Originally posted by Mobycat
Kreacher can go to Sirius' cousin. That's where he went for a little while in this book - which means Malfoy may have a house elf again. And considering the house elves are supposed to have quite a bit of magical power...and Kreacher seems to be much against Sirius - that means he's probably going to go against the Order, too. Bad news for the order, I think.

I always thought the house elves would play an imortant part in the last couple of books somehow. And after reading 'Order of the Phoenix' I'm almost confinced they will play a BIG part in the war! Also: the things Hermione is doing with SPEW aren't in these books for nothing! And the things Dumbledore said about hous elves at the end of book 5?

It will all pay off in the end!

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by D-fence
I always thought the house elves would play an imortant part in the last couple of books somehow. And after reading 'Order of the Phoenix' I'm almost confinced they will play a BIG part in the war! Also: the things Hermione is doing with SPEW aren't in these books for nothing! And the things Dumbledore said about hous elves at the end of book 5?

It will all pay off in the end!

Yep...good thing Harry has Dobby on his side. It seems like Dobby is going to be on Harry's side regardless of what happens - not only does he simply worship him, but Harry is the reason he is free and able to do basically whatever he wants. Consider also that Dobby probably hates Malfoy with a vengeance...and Malfoy is an active death eater. Harry basically has another protector on his side. Wouldn't be surprised if Dumbledore asks Dobby to watch after him, too.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by j.r.
And by the way, I didn´t find the death of Sirius to be such a tearjerker, it happened a little bit to fast for that (and no emotional funeral).

Agreed - too quick to really dwell on it.

I was thinking about that - Sirius disappears...no body. But as far as I know...Harry's parents simply died from the Avada Kadavra curse - which wouldn't obliterate their bodies. Are they buried somewhere? Will we see their graves at some point?

I'm guessing, at the end of book 7, Harry should actually have a home - well, property anyway - his parents' house burned down, if I recall correctly, but the land would still be there.

[LOTRfan]

I think POA was my favorite book solely because of the appearance of SIRIUS. I've ADORED the books from that point on. After I read his death i felt like i was getting a swift kick to the chest. When I read that spoiler on the first pg. of the official OOP reaction thread my heart flipped but it wasn't confirmed so i didn't have to believe it. However, once his name was on the list of possible victims it became more and more likely. The reason most of us liked Sirius so much was probably a result of J.K. liking him enough to cry over. She let her affection seep from the pages. She always described him so fondly. Like how he chased his tail and some cats once he was outside after such a long period of hiding. And his personality in his human form was soo much like that of a dogs-his laugh sounded like a bark, he was extremely loyal to harry, and also aggressive at times. And she forshadowed soo much. It drove me crazy. I cried when I read the first instance and by the time the real thing rolled around I had accepted it. Some of those clues were: The knife Fred and George had been hovering over to the table landed exactly where Sirius's hand had been two seconds before, harry had a horrible constricted feeling in his chest when he left sirius after christmas- he didn't know when he'd ever see him again and he knew he had missed his last chance to warn him to be careful, Snape bugged him about not helping out and being a coward.

I really miss Sirius as he was one of my fav. characters. I sincerely hope J.K. does prove in the next books that his death was, indeed, "necessary for the plot" like she has promised.

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by D-fence
I always thought the house elves would play an imortant part in the last couple of books somehow. And after reading 'Order of the Phoenix' I'm almost confinced they will play a BIG part in the war! Also: the things Hermione is doing with SPEW aren't in these books for nothing! And the things Dumbledore said about hous elves at the end of book 5?

It will all pay off in the end!

God, I *hope* there's some reason for S.P.E.W. ! It was a *really* boring part of #4. Maybe Hermione becomes some kind of diplomat, like working for the magic version of the U.N.

kerry =)

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by j.r.
And by the way, I didn´t find the death of Sirius to be such a
tearjerker, it happened a little bit to fast for that (and no
emotional funeral).


Originally posted by Mobycat
Agreed - too quick to really dwell on it.

I was thinking about that - Sirius disappears...no body. But as far as I know...Harry's parents simply died from the Avada Kadavra curse - which wouldn't obliterate their bodies. Are they buried somewhere? Will we see their graves at some point?

I'm guessing, at the end of book 7, Harry should actually have a home - well, property anyway - his parents' house burned down, if I recall correctly, but the land would still be there.



I'm so glad to see that other people saw his death the way I did. I'd spent so much time worrying who would be the one to go, that when it happened, and it was so cut and dried, I didn't feel a lot of emotion. I found myself much more upset when Harry was talking to Sir Nick, and during Harry's time in Dumbledore office. I think the build up *knowing* someone would die before the book came out, but not *who*, was worse then the actual death.

What do you want to bet that when Harry sets up house, Dobby will be his house elf? I can totally see him wanting to be a part of his household forever. What's the life span of a house elf anyway??? ;)

Kerry =)

[jared2402]

The innital death didn't affet me eith, but then when harry was remembering how Sirus looked after him and was so eagar to look after harry it sorta got it out of me

[freakyplatypus]

Well after much analyzing I've decided that all the events in this book never happened and it was all just a hallucination Harry had from an Acid trip.. nobody died.... Gosh you guys! I know that and I haven't even read the book. I figured you people would figure that out!!!

[hpk37067]

freaky, freaky, freaky.*sigh* Well, perhaps Harry goes back to the Department of Mysteries and goes through the archway himself. And why was Nick so sure that Sirius wouldn't come back? Perhaps because he is not dead. Perhaps because he doesn't want to come back to a war stricken Earth. Perhaps because he doesn't want to be a spectator in the war and just watch from afar. So many questions, so little time.

[Mobycat]

I'm pretty sure Sirius is gone for good.

Dumbledore referred to that room as the "Chamber of Death" when he was talking to Fudge after the battle.

Wonder if it's an old execution chamber - it had a theater style setting.

[hpk37067]

Why do you think Sirius is gone for good? For some reason, Nick seems absolutely sure he won't choose to become a ghost. By the way, does anyone know when book #6 comes out?

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Why do you think Sirius is gone for good? For some reason, Nick seems absolutely sure he won't choose to become a ghost. By the way, does anyone know when book #6 comes out?

I took Nick's response to mean that once you were dead, you either stayed as a ghost, or moved on to the next life (or whatever Rowling may make it out to be). So Sirius has gone on. Sirius is now with Harry's parents.

What he needs to do is get a hold of the wand and do a prior incantatum on it.

(If I recall, she didn't say what color the blast was that Sirius got hit with - so we really don't know what killed him, the curse, or going through the curtain).

I suppose Harry might be able to *talk* to Sirius through the curtain. We'll see.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

i dougbt that. i think hes dead for good.

[Martinnyg]

Yea, I too think he's gone for good. And it wasn't the spell it was the fact that he went through the veil that killed him. But it was a real sucky way to go :( He was so sure of himself with the "Haha, you can't hit me", and then she hits him. And he falls through the curtain, and he's just gone. Damn he was one of my favorites, together with Lupin. Speaking of Lupin, he must feel terrible all of his friends are gone now. James and Sirius dead. Pettigrew gone to the dark side. But still he put on the strong face for Harry's sake.

[hpk37067]

What was the curtain anyway? What was that archway he went through? I think it's like a transportation into the heavens or something like that. It could explain why it is in the Department of Mysteries.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

i think so too its like a gateway to the other side but you cant come back if you go through.

[Mobycat]

I think it might be an abandoned execution room. Dumbledore says how the wizarding world is now reaping what it sewed with other magical creatures...perhaps they were the same way to wizards at one time.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by Martinnyg
Yea, I too think he's gone for good. And it wasn't the spell it was the fact that he went through the veil that killed him. But it was a real sucky way to go :( He was so sure of himself with the "Haha, you can't hit me", and then she hits him. And he falls through the curtain, and he's just gone.

If it was the veil that killed him I feel even more frustrated. A lot of people saw it happen so they could have ran over and stopped him from going through. And if it does kill...that would mean that Harry and his friends could've died while they were fascinated with it when they first arrived in the room.

[Azaelia]

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
unfortunately it might be. this is the last time ill read a HP book and be the same age as him.

Oh I Know! I remeber that I was 11 when I read the first, turning twelve when I read the 2nd and so on... I'll probably be around 16/17 when the 6th comes out...and I calculated that by the time the 4th/5th movie comes out, I'll be like 18/19/20!!!

That kinda stinks........:(

[D-fence]

you know, at the end of the book: when Harry pulled the small mirror, that Sirius gave to him, out of his trunk? He looked at it, called sirius name a couple of times (in vain) and then threw it back INTO his trunk where it broke. He stashed a couple of clothes on top of it, to seal the fact that the mirror is still IN THE TRUNK! In other words: he takes the broken mirror home with him without really thinking about it!

Could this be another plot-point that Rowling will explorer further in book 6/7?
A broken mirror usually means bad luck. But maybe not in this case. (Sirius contacts him trough the mirror?)

[D-fence]

Also another thing: the voices beyond the veil are NOT there without reason! Rowling must do SOMETHING with them, because she never had anything in her books just for kicks! Sirius might be dead, but not unreachable.

Just my two cents.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by D-fence
Also another thing: the voices beyond the veil are NOT there without reason! Rowling must do SOMETHING with them, because she never had anything in her books just for kicks! Sirius might be dead, but not unreachable.

Just my two cents.
Some things are just left unanswered....
anyway, now JK has helpfully let me figure out with Story formula she is using and now I can figure out the ending of the books!!!!

[D-fence]

Originally posted by Laterose
anyway, now JK has helpfully let me figure out with Story formula she is using and now I can figure out the ending of the books!!!!

??? In what way are you able to do that?!:confused: And with that 'formula': what direction do you think she will take for the ending then?

[hpk37067]

Perhaps she is trying to be like the matrix and give us seemingly random detail which will be significant later on.

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

Sirius was my favorite character, I'm devestated that he's gone, but unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that he's gone for good. Lupin clearly knew what was behind the Veil and he knew Sirius is dead because of whatever's back there.

[hpk37067]

Nice avatar dude. Anyway, unfortunately, I think Sirius is probably gone for good but that doesn't mean anything. He didn't seem to be that significant of a character. But now I get to wondering. Since Kreacher only obeyed the Blacks, who will he obey know since the last living Black is gone and Bellatrix Lestrange is probably going to be dead because she failed her mission for Voldemort?

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

Well, there is only so much Kreacher could tell and he already told it. I hope Bellatrix isn't dead, she needs to get whats coming to her.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by D-fence
??? In what way are you able to do that?!:confused: And with that 'formula': what direction do you think she will take for the ending then?
I don't really want to tell you, because it could take two totally different directions, but it has mainly to do with the facts that Harry has discovered how arrogant his father was and that Sirius has died....and that Neville also could have been "the One." It's all very complicated and I must say she has hidden this extremely well.

[LOTRfan]

Now you've got everyone wanting to know. By two different directions do you mean the thing about Harry choosing to do what's right or easy.... or do you mean he could die or live at the end?

[Laterose]

Both in a way. I'm still not telling you, but I can give you some hints....if you really want them :D

[JenJen]

Originally posted by j.r.
I had exactly the same thoughts. Remember Gandalf falling from the Bridge in LotR? Didn´t we all think he was dead when we read the LotR for the first time?
Maybe I have watched too many movies and read too many comic books, but the rule there always is: they ain´t dead if there is no body.:D
I am expecting Sirius to make a comeback in book 7 to save the day and for a real happy ending.

I agree. Also why would J.k kill him when she already killed his parents. Sirius was really the only one Harry had. Harry would always think that he understood him. Maybe in the 6 book or 7th maybe Harry will go back to the veil. They said that they heard voices coming from the veil. And Sirius went in there so maybe he's not dead, but trapped in there with other people, but not dead. At least I hope because he was my fav. character. I was so shocked when he died or dissapered into the veil. :eek:
:(

[JenJen]

Originally posted by Laterose
Both in a way. I'm still not telling you, but I can give you some hints....if you really want them :D

Yeah give some hints, please.

[hpk37067]

Hey Laterose, why don't you PM me and tell me some exclusive details that you know of?

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by JenJen
I agree. Also why would J.k kill him when she already killed his parents. Sirius was really the only one Harry had. Harry would always think that he understood him. Maybe in the 6 book or 7th maybe Harry will go back to the veil. They said that they heard voices coming from the veil. And Sirius went in there so maybe he's not dead, but trapped in there with other people, but not dead. At least I hope because he was my fav. character. I was so shocked when he died or dissapered into the veil. :eek:
:(

he's dead for sure...unreachable is what is unclear. J.K. said she physically killed someone in this book so he definitely is dead.

[Laterose]

Alright, I'll give five:
1) Hermione complains even more about Ron, as he becomes a Prefect and the Keeper on the Qudditch team
2) Harry, after Sirius's death, tried to avenge his death and when he opened Sirius' gift, it told him that if he ever needed to to talk to Sirius, to use this mirror and the first thing Harry saw as he looked into the mirror was himsefl
3) Neville could have been "the One", but Voldemort assumed that it was Harry, because Harry was also a half-blood
4) Since the beginning of the series, the character formula, of Harry, Ron and Hermione, has followed the pattern of another very famous series.
5) Dumbledore has admitted how much he cares about Harry and that he has been trying to protect him

Now, you're on your own :D

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Hey Laterose, why don't you PM me and tell me some exclusive details that you know of?

me too....or just post the hints

[hpk37067]

Did she "physically" or just I killed someone?

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
me too....or just post the hints
nevermind

[Laterose]

now that you have the hints, please tell me your therioes...

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Did she "physically" or just I killed someone?

well...i'm not *positive* she used that word...it would be good if she did. But I know she wouldn't have cried about it if he could come back and Lupin wouldn't have said "he dead...there's nothing you can do."

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by Laterose
now that you have the hints, please tell me your therioes...
i'm totally lost...got nothing.

[hpk37067]

But what does Lupin know? He may just say that because he can't explain it. And she probably didn't say physically because it would just be too obvious that Sirius would come back.

[Laterose]

you just got look for connections
watch a few movies, read a few books...
you'll come up with a few things

[hpk37067]

Fine, whatever.

[Laterose]

I'm serious

[hpk37067]

Right, a likely story.

[Laterose]

that's how I came up with the theory and so far, even in this book, I've been right

[hpk37067]

Good for you. I'm serious. I think that I'll try not spoil myself. Thanks for the advice though.

[LOTRfan]

we all have to slow down...we are posting too fast and its hard to keep up and to tell what the replies are referring to...geesh:D

hpk: Sirius is gone...J.K. wouldn't fake us out like that...as much as I would have liked her too. There's no way she would have got emotional over it if there was a way for him to still be alive...it doesn't make sense.

Laterose: are those hints all referring to ONE major thing...or do they all separately hint at some different aspect of her master plan?

[Laterose]

one major thing usually is composed of different aspects, but they mainly lead to Harry's fate and the fate of Hermione and Ron

[LOTRfan]

do you mean harry's fate as in his death or survival?

and about ron and hermione: we already know hermione and ron will get together if that's what you mean. Just today I watched the interview with J.K. on the Chamber of Secrets second disc and it has been confirmed in my mind. She said that she pushes the writers in the right direction so they know if they are thinking along the right lines...since the series isn't completed. she makes sure they include certain things that are important later...like clues. She said there was one thing in particular at the end of the chamber movie that doesn't really come into play until the 4th book...when the characters are more mature. Why else would they have put in that scene where hermione is uncomfortable hugging ron? plus when katie couric mentioned harry and hermione getting together, J.K. was like "You think so? " in a way that was "are you really stupid?"

[hpk37067]

Then who gets to be with Victor Krum?*frowns*

[LOTRfan]

fleur...hehe

[hpk37067]

Fleur and Bill all the way. You know what they were doing in those private lessons!*winks*

[Laterose]

LOTRfan: that is exactly what I mean by his fate
yeah, Hermione and Ron are very obvious, but I don't think Harry has realized it yet, making an interesting secret.

[LOTRfan]

yeah...harry's very unperceptive. It's kinda cute how he has noo idea what's going on with girls. But in this book it did end up very costly: he was blinded by his love for sirius and once again failed to realize something- that he was being fooled by voldemort like he was warned he would be.

[j.r.]

Originally posted by Laterose
Alright, I'll give five:
1) Hermione complains even more about Ron, as he becomes a Prefect and the Keeper on the Qudditch team
2) Harry, after Sirius's death, tried to avenge his death and when he opened Sirius' gift, it told him that if he ever needed to to talk to Sirius, to use this mirror and the first thing Harry saw as he looked into the mirror was himsefl
3) Neville could have been "the One", but Voldemort assumed that it was Harry, because Harry was also a half-blood
4) Since the beginning of the series, the character formula, of Harry, Ron and Hermione, has followed the pattern of another very famous series.
5) Dumbledore has admitted how much he cares about Harry and that he has been trying to protect him

Now, you're on your own :D

Well the charakters always reminded me of the classic Star Wars Triology.
That would mean:
Harry resembles Luke (lives by his aunt and uncle, learns suddenly that his presumly dead father was a famous Jedi/wizard and that he also can be a Jedi/wizard)
Hermione resembles Leia (idealistic, can be a real pain in the... but if you need her she is there)
That would make Ron to Han and Dumbledore is the mentor (= Obi Wan)

Did you also mean the Star Wars movies?

And if so, what does it mean for HP 6 and 7? That like Obi Wan Dumbledore will die? Could be, al last Harry will face Voldemort alone, I think.
Hermione being a sister of Harry? I don´t think so. Hermione and Ron ending up together? Quite possible.
But why did Harry see himself in the mirror? Hmm, Luke learned some surprising things about his father, could Sirius be Harrys dad? I think somewhere in book 3 or 4 it is mentioned that he liked Harrys mother very much, but somehow I doubt it.
And how does Neville fit in? I haven´t figured out that - yet.

[sone]

I say Harry and Hermione. The one that Harry and Hermione do not see, but everyone else does.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by j.r.
could Sirius be Harrys dad? I think somewhere in book 3 or 4 it is mentioned that he liked Harrys mother very much, but somehow I doubt it.

Me either. It's been said many times that Harry looks exactly like his dad...except for the eyes.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by j.r.

That would make Ron to Han and Dumbledore is the mentor (= Obi Wan)
? That like Obi Wan Dumbledore will die? Could be, al last Harry will face Voldemort alone, I think.
I think somewhere in book 3 or 4 it is mentioned that he liked Harrys mother very much, but somehow I doubt it.
.

pretty good ideas. But if Dumbledore is Obi Wan then that means that Voldemort could kill Dumbledore....makes sense for the 6th book since someone very close to Harry dies....goes along with Dumbledore saying how much he cares for Harry.
and James and Lily are def. Harry's parents...they talk about how they look so much alike all the time.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
pretty good ideas. But if Dumbledore is Obi Wan then that means that Voldemort could kill Dumbledore....makes sense for the 6th book since someone very close to Harry dies....goes along with Dumbledore saying how much he cares for Harry.
and James and Lily are def. Harry's parents...they talk about how they look so much alike all the time.

But where would Sirius fit into that?

[LOTRfan]

no idea...he could even be an obi wan to bellatrix...who knows. hp is obviously not a closey related spin-off of it.

[Tim37ninjageniu]

this is not star wars people...........or is it?

[Tim37ninjageniu]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO its not

[j.r.]

Originally posted by Mobycat
But where would Sirius fit into that?

I don´t know and -like I said above- I have no idea how Neville fits in.
But I never assumed that every HP charakter has an equivalent in the Star Wars universe. It were just our three heroes and Dumbledore (and some storyelements an a certain feeling (for lack of a better word) of the stories) that reminded me of classic Star Wars.
It was Laterose who said she figuered it all out and now she isn´t telling us:( ;)

[Laterose]

Originally posted by j.r.
Well the charakters always reminded me of the classic Star Wars Triology.
That would mean:
Harry resembles Luke (lives by his aunt and uncle, learns suddenly that his presumly dead father was a famous Jedi/wizard and that he also can be a Jedi/wizard)
Hermione resembles Leia (idealistic, can be a real pain in the... but if you need her she is there)
That would make Ron to Han and Dumbledore is the mentor (= Obi Wan)

Did you also mean the Star Wars movies?



Good job. You are getting on track. If you figure out anything else, please put it in spoiler tags.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by j.r.
I don´t know and -like I said above- I have no idea how Neville fits in.
But I never assumed that every HP charakter has an equivalent in the Star Wars universe. It were just our three heroes and Dumbledore (and some storyelements an a certain feeling (for lack of a better word) of the stories) that reminded me of classic Star Wars.
It was Laterose who said she figuered it all out and now she isn´t telling us:( ;)
You are correct. There is no equivelent for every Star Wars character. She has simply used some of the formula.

[D-fence]

Originally posted by Kerry from Cali
Not a problem at all! ;) I've always enjoyed your posts, and I agree, wholeheartedly, about your opinion of John Williams' work. He's amazing! I *love* the way he's captured the heart of the story. Did you get the sound track to CoS too? His theme to Gilderoy Lockhart is inspiring. He made it seem deceptive and smarmy, in the same breath. Just wonderful. :) (and *my* apologies if I refered to you as "him" in error. I couldn't remember ever knowing one way or the other) :)

Kerry =)

Yes i did get the CoS soundtrack, and it IS wonderfull! Even if John didn't do ALL the music himself, and didn't conduct, it was still superb! :) And good old Johny-boy is doing the music for PoA himself again, so that's GREAT news! Can't wait to hear what kind of theme he has created for the DEMENTORS! :eek: And there must be a theme for Sirius that can be both 'creepy' and 'kind' at the same time right?! Here's to john! and doing another fantastic job next year!! :applaud:

[LOTR RING]

and the EWOKS are the House elves, compare Leas and Hermionies reaction to them.


and the rancor is the dragon from the tri-wizard contest

Will VOLDERMORT turn out good???? Interesting but I think no.

[hpk37067]

That was stupid. If Voldemort because reformed and turned into a good guy, I will eat my pants and burn anything that has to do with Harry Potter.

[Laterose]

Voldemort will not become a good guy, however, at one point in his life, he was a decent man

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by Laterose
Voldemort will not become a good guy, however, at one point in his life, he was a decent man

At what point?? He seemed like a right $hit back in school, when he framed Hagrid for the death of Myrtle. And didn't he kill his dad and grandparents when he was about 16?

Kerry =)

[hpk37067]

Well, you would have done the same thing if you were an orphan and the heir to Slytherin also and you could be kicked out of school.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by Kerry from Cali
At what point?? He seemed like a right $hit back in school, when he framed Hagrid for the death of Myrtle. And didn't he kill his dad and grandparents when he was about 16?

Kerry =)
No one is born evil, Kerry.

[hpk37067]

I don't know. Read THE LORD OF THE FLIES. Boy does that book make you think.

[Laterose]

Alright, I'll look for the book.

[hpk37067]

Do that. It makes you think. So much symbolism you will scream about the amount.

[Laterose]

Great...

[Tim37ninjageniu]

I love that book its got a great message but since I read it for required reading at a catholic school they basically said it is a good book but its bull**** and I told my teacher she was stupid and the book was dead on.


There is not a paralel for every character in Star Wars.

[LOTRfan]

The HP characters can each parallel a character in every movie or book series in the world. Just most of the connections aren't very apparent. You can find similarities in any that you look for as long as you look. It's just like how a poem can be interpreted in infinite ways by different people. It's all in the way you look at things.

[hpk37067]

Well, can you link it to THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF? Huh, can ya?

[LOTRfan]

Why yes...of course I can, thank you for asking. It is the opposite of the boy who cries wolf. Harry's visions seemed to be true because of the Mr. Weasley event. When Harry sees the Sirius vision he assumes it to be true, thus leading to Sirius' doom. Because Sirius or the vision "cried wolf" Sirius dies and Harry and his friends are put in danger. Harry foolishly *trusts* the *false* vision wheras no one believed the *truth* in the boy who cried wolf because of their experience with it being *false*
(I know that may sound confusing but it makes perfect sense in my mind)

[Tim37ninjageniu]

parallel it to the popular film Debbie Does Dallas

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
Why yes...of course I can, thank you for asking. It is the opposite of the boy who cries wolf. Harry's visions seemed to be true because of the Mr. Weasley event. When Harry sees the Sirius vision he assumes it to be true, thus leading to Sirius' doom. Because Sirius or the vision "cried wolf" Sirius dies and Harry and his friends are put in danger. Harry foolishly *trusts* the *false* vision wheras no one believed the *truth* in the boy who cried wolf because of their experience with it being *false*
(I know that may sound confusing but it makes perfect sense in my mind)

But in the BOY WHO CRIED WOLF, he lied on purpose just to have a laugh. Harry didn't purposefully do that about his godfather. So there.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
Why yes...of course I can, thank you for asking. It is the opposite of the boy who cries wolf. Harry's visions seemed to be true because of the Mr. Weasley event. When Harry sees the Sirius vision he assumes it to be true, thus leading to Sirius' doom. Because Sirius or the vision "cried wolf" Sirius dies and Harry and his friends are put in danger. Harry foolishly *trusts* the *false* vision wheras no one believed the *truth* in the boy who cried wolf because of their experience with it being *false*
(I know that may sound confusing but it makes perfect sense in my mind)
Je comprende ;)

[hpk37067]

I'm still lost. Okay, here's another one. THE THREE LITTLE PIGS.

[Laterose]

Ron is the first pig, too lazy to build a good house. Harry is the second pig, slightly smarter and less lazy. Hermione is the last pig who has to save them all using her brain.

But I don't think JK used that at all. ;)

[hpk37067]

???

[Laterose]

You asked

[hpk37067]

You're right. My mistake.

[Fable]

lol anyways, off pigs and onto harry..

[hpk37067]

Okay, lets agree that Harry Potter can be compared to *most* pieces of literature.

[HeadHunter]

Well i personally think he IS dead and wont be comeing back....the room in question was called the Room of Death or something to that effect so i reckon that it is a door way to something that kills you when you go though it....like a kind of corperal punishment thing to evil people

[redman]

JKR said that the person who dies in OOTP is DEFINATELY dead.

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by redman
JKR said that the person who dies in OOTP is DEFINATELY dead.

Plus if he isnt dead then why would she have Supossedly have cryed while writing the scene

[Laterose]

exactly

[hpk37067]

Perhaps it was a ruse to make the public believe something. I'm probably wrong. Just bringing in another point.

[Laterose]

Who knows

[hpk37067]

I have no idea. Perhaps JKR knows.

[Kerry from Cali]

quote:

Originally posted by Kerry from Cali
At what point?? He seemed like a right $hit back in school, when
he framed Hagrid for the death of Myrtle. And didn't he kill his dad
and grandparents when he was about 16?

Kerry =)


Originally posted by Laterose
No one is born evil, Kerry.




Laterose, you bring up an interesting point. It makes me think of the
great debate on Nature VS Nurture. Doctors, scientists,
anthropologists, social workers and various other factors in the mental
health industry have been trying to answer the very idea you brought up.
Are there in fact people actually *born* evil, or is it
something in the way they were brought up. (Nature meaning it's
something born in you, Nurture meaning it has to do with the environment
you were raised in) They've tried to study this concept for decades,
thinking it would be a way to ward off criminal behavior. They performed
tissue and chemical study on John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer
trying to discover what made them tick.

What is inside a person that can make them do truly evil things? Could
it be a chemical imbalance, or a mental imbalance or a twist in their
character?


Look at two different scenarios: in one, you have a person that comes
from a good home, has two loving parents, no abuse or neglect, and still
he grows up to be a mass murderer. In the other you have a person that
lives through years of pain, abuse (either mental, physical or sexual)
and neglect, and that person grows up to be a therapist or social
worker. Why doesn't the second subject commit foul crimes? Our society
today seems geared towards making enough excuses, no one would blame
him. Is he just stronger, mentally? To tie it in to Jo's way of reasoning, how
many times have we heard Dumbledore say,
"it is not our abilities, but our choices that make the person" ?

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you Laterose. I think there are
things that can happen from outside that can influence a persons
outcome, but there has to be a seed planted deep inside for it to grow. I
don't know what your experiences are in R/L, but I've dealt with case
files that have proven, to myself anyway, that there *are* people that
are just born evil.

Kerry =)

[hpk37067]

It's exactly like that LORD OF THE FLIES book. Are humans innately good or innately evil? That question may never be answered.

[_m_a_n_u_e_l_]

dear god this thred has gone off track!!!

ok i dunno if i am stating the obvious, but the room of death was in the department of mysteries! they had things like time, the brain and (surprise) death! this means( i think) that they had it there because they were researching on it, or at least that was the impression that it gave me. so maybe no one is really sure about what happens in there...and then theres no way to be sure about it...so maybe he can come back... i dunno... i kinda hope not because if they do its probably going to be some big fat deus ex machina

another thing, did anyone get the impression that maybe rowling seemed, i dunno, angry, at harry? i know i sometimes tend to overanalise things( if you knew me you would know) but when harry tells ron and hermione about sirius and hermione questions him it seemed to me as though rowling was voicing some of her own feelings through hermione. the other they i talked about this with some other people and they said that it is not so rare for an author to start hating their characters all of a sudden (if for example in rowlings case where she has only one character and everyone knows her only for that) i think that is why harrys character seemed so easy to hate at the beginning of the book

tell me what you think. god knows ive rambled enough for today.

[hpk37067]

That's another question. What were the brains? Are they like new creatures that were too dangerous to be let loose on the world?

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by _m_a_n_u_e_l_
dear god this thred has gone off track!!!


Boy, you *are* new here, aren't you?!? You want to see "off track" you need to check out some of the threads in the weeks prior to book #5 coming out. :) Now *those* threads were OT. ;)


tell me what you think. god knows ive rambled enough for today. [/B]

You brought up some interesting thoughts. I know that Jo said Harry would be angrier, but you're right, there were times when I was so tired of his angry teen attitude, that I thought he could use a good swift kick. And I wonder why they were studying those brains too, and to whom they belonged too! Don't apologize for rambling. New ideas are always needed to keep the board fresh.

Welcome to the board!

Kerry =)

[hpk37067]

Perhaps the brains were more hybrids that breached the International thing for breeding and were sent to study at the Department of Mysteries.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by Kerry from Cali
Boy, you *are* new here, aren't you?!? You want to see "off track" you need to check out some of the threads in the weeks prior to book #5 coming out. :) Now *those* threads were OT. ;)

What are you talking about :D :D :D

[Kerry from Cali]

quote:

Originally posted by Kerry from Cali
Boy, you *are* new here, aren't you?!? You want to see "off
track" you need to check out some of the threads in the weeks
prior to book #5 coming out. Now *those* threads were OT.




Originally posted by Laterose
What are you talking about :D :D :D


:D hee hee hee. yeah, um...

what I *meant* to say, was he should check out all those thought provoking, deep, meaningful discussions that took place just prior to the release of book #5. :cool: :funny: :funny:

(seriously, they *did* help kill the boredom and monotony, and were often silly fun)

Kerry =)

[_m_a_n_u_e_l_]

Originally posted by hpk37067
That's another question. What were the brains? Are they like new creatures that were too dangerous to be let loose on the world?

i think that maybe they were there because the brain is still quite a mistery isnt it? its one of those things that science just seems to accept because thay cant totally understand. i mean they did have a room of space didnt they? they probably had a room of the sea or something...

[Tim37ninjageniu]

It IS called the Department of <b>MYSTERIES</b> isn't it?

[hpk37067]

That's a good point. But what are they? Any speculations?

[_manuel_]

i just realised!


I was afraid of death, said Nick softly. `I chose to remain behind. I sometimes wonder whether I oughtnt to have… well, that is neither here nor there… in fact, I am neither here nor there…
He gave a small sad chuckle. `I know nothing of the secrets of death, Harry, for I chose my feeble imitation of life instead. I believe learned wizards study the matter in the Department of Mysteries-
`Dont talk to me about that place! said Harry fiercely.
`I am sorry not to have been more help, said Nick gently `Well… well, do excuse me… the feast, you know…

so what i think happens is:
the people at the ministry are trying to investigate death. so they go and build this veil to study it. so what im thinking is what if it isnt an execution chamber, but rather those seats are there so that people can study it. its like in hospitals when sometimes you have operating rooms with an auditorium to teach new doctors or to study certain cases thats the same purpose. those seats are there so that people can go and study death.

what do you guys think? maybe they made people walk through it to see if they would come back or whatever...

i dont know if it all makes sense. if not ill try to elaborate later...

[bonfire62]

I think that Sirius will be trapped between worlds like someone said above. I think she will write in a way for Harry to talk to Sirius. If she doesnt, she is destroying one of the best aspects of the book. I personally dont think she will, but thats just me. Like he could go back to the veil and talk to him through it somehow.

My mom just finished it and was talking to my brother about it and said that some religions think of death as passing through a veil and that thats where she got it from.

[_manuel_]

besides there is no real evidence that he died from going through the veil is there? he could have died from that stuff that bellatrix shot at him. its not really specified

[Laterose]

Sirius was dying as he fell behind the veil. The veil didn't nesscarily kill him, but he was dead already. Live with it, people!

[_manuel_]

i know.
what i mean is that the veil isnt necessarily an execution chamber. maybe that veil is like a gateway of some sort and will have something to do with the later books.
best chance is that if yopu step behind it youre probably going to find the dead body of sirius black

[bonfire62]

Originally posted by Laterose
Sirius was dying as he fell behind the veil. The veil didn't nesscarily kill him, but he was dead already. Live with it, people!

actually no, all it said is that he fell of the archway thing with a stunned look on his face. Maybe she just stunned him.

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by bonfire62
actually no, all it said is that he fell of the archway thing with a stunned look on his face. Maybe she just stunned him.

True. We really don't know which killed him. We don't know the color of the spell (green being Avada Kedavra).

BUT...it wasn't until he fell through that Bellatrix reacted. I personally think the veil is what killed him.

[Laterose]

Anyway, I've said it before. Authours don't cry over characters unless they are 100% sure they can't save them somehow

[Ethan_hunt]

Once again, nobody ever saw Rowling crying over this character. We heard her tell the media. We heard her tell millions and millions of people, prepare to lose a main character. I find it odd that she did build it up so much. If she wouldn't have said a thing before the book came out, I wouldn't be thinking twice about Sirius' death, but because she continued, I began wondering before I even learned who it was. I guessed Black, but not until I had started this fifth book.

All I now is that Rowling seems to know exactly what she's doing and Sirius' death in this book is the only part of the entire series that she's been vague and blurry where she shouldn't have been. Again, I mentioned this in another post and I think it's a good point so I'll say it again. Rowling writes about magic and wizardry. A magician's number one talent is misdirection, it's what all of magic is about. I think she could be playing some of us.

[_manuel_]

Originally posted by Laterose
Anyway, I've said it before. Authours don't cry over characters unless they are 100% sure they can't save them somehow

i dont think rowling cried over the death of sirius.
i mean did you not read the book???!! she enjoyed it!!!!! she made us think it was ron at the beginning, then she made us believe hagrid had died, then it was hermione, then ron again and then finally sirius.

i dont know i had the feeling that this whole crying over a character thing was just a publicity stunt. i bet she is up in her gold mansion sitting with her millions of dollars laughing at us!!!!!!

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Ethan_hunt
Once again, nobody ever saw Rowling crying over this character. We heard her tell the media. We heard her tell millions and millions of people, prepare to lose a main character. I find it odd that she did build it up so much. If she wouldn't have said a thing before the book came out, I wouldn't be thinking twice about Sirius' death, but because she continued, I began wondering before I even learned who it was. I guessed Black, but not until I had started this fifth book.

All I now is that Rowling seems to know exactly what she's doing and Sirius' death in this book is the only part of the entire series that she's been vague and blurry where she shouldn't have been. Again, I mentioned this in another post and I think it's a good point so I'll say it again. Rowling writes about magic and wizardry. A magician's number one talent is misdirection, it's what all of magic is about. I think she could be playing some of us.

Gee, we are a little jaded, are we?

[Laterose]

Originally posted by _manuel_
i dont think rowling cried over the death of sirius.
i mean did you not read the book???!! she enjoyed it!!!!! she made us think it was ron at the beginning, then she made us believe hagrid had died, then it was hermione, then ron again and then finally sirius.

i dont know i had the feeling that this whole crying over a character thing was just a publicity stunt. i bet she is up in her gold mansion sitting with her millions of dollars laughing at us!!!!!!
I think the parts where she's making us think it was other characters was mainly her deciding which character was going to die. Who knows, orginally it might have been Hagrid or Ron or Hermione. We just don't know.

[Bambi]

Speaking on Hermione, I think she is in no danger of getting killed off whatsoever. Letting alone other reasons (Hermione being the only leading female character, etc.), JKR pretty much indentifies herself with Hermione and would not (IMHO)finish the girl off...

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Bambi
Speaking on Hermione, I think she is in no danger of getting killed off whatsoever. Letting alone other reasons (Hermione being the only leading female character, etc.), JKR pretty much indentifies herself with Hermione and would not (IMHO)finish the girl off...

I was under the impression she most identified with Harry. ...shrug...

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by bonfire62
actually no, all it said is that he fell of the archway thig with a stunned look on his face. Maybe she just stunned him.

was that sarcastic (can never tell)...if not, well, the fact that he had a "stunned" look on his face was probably because he was suprised at getting hit because he had been so cocky and confident. It is possible that he was stunned (in the magical sense), I just don't think that that adjective justifies it.
And hey you never know...it could've been J.K.'s play on words. A way to let us know he was only stunned by the spell. Like a pun of some sorts. Who knows...I hope she explains it further in the next book.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by _manuel_
i dont think rowling cried over the death of sirius.
i mean did you not read the book???!! she enjoyed it!!!!! she made us think it was ron at the beginning, then she made us believe hagrid had died, then it was hermione, then ron again and then finally sirius.
i dont know i had the feeling that this whole crying over a character thing was just a publicity stunt. i bet she is up in her gold mansion sitting with her millions of dollars laughing at us!!!!!!
Originally posted by Laterose
I think the parts where she's making us think it was other characters was mainly her deciding which character was going to die. Who knows, orginally it might have been to get rid or Ron or Hermione. We just don't know.
I actually think she put a lot of foreshadowing indicating Sirius. It was more subtle than the Ron, Mr. Weasley, Hermione, and Hagrid mishaps though. That is what helped me pick him out.
I definitely think she planned ahead of time who was gonna die. She said his death was absoultely necessary for the plot. Sounds to me like she had it all planned out. It's just in her nature to steer us wrong. Let's not forget her last four books. Every single one totally misled us (well...me at least). It was done purposefully to try to trick us. So maybe there was something to that laughing, manuel. By the 5th book I noticed all of her false leads and they became a way for me to narrow down who wasn't going to die.
Most of her hints about Sirius were extremely subtle...well except for "harry's constricting chest, not knowing when he'd ever see his godfather again" around christmastime. And she even tried to throw us again by having Sirius in that vison. You knew he was going to die because by having him in it you'd think it was another one of her tricks. It was reverse psychology.;) :D

[Laterose]

You are picking up on this quickly, LOTRfan. Good job :applaud:

[HeadHunter]

i just think that Rowling like miss direction i mean look at PoA we all thought that Black was the most evil thing since Voldy and then look what happerned

[LOTRfan]

exactly...she likes to play with our minds. MUHAHA!!!!!! (sorry if that wasn't an evil enough laugh)

[WebMonkey]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
exactly...she likes to play with our minds. MUHAHA!!!!!! (sorry if that wasn't an evil enough laugh)


no, no. that was good...:applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
exactly...she likes to play with our minds. MUHAHA!!!!!! (sorry if that wasn't an evil enough laugh)

mwahahahahahahahah....MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

better..i think

[WebMonkey]

Got to admit... much better!

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by WebMonkey
Got to admit... much better!

i thought so..:p

[que_SuertE777]

Whenever someone laughs menacingly, I'm always reminded of Dr. Evil from Austin Powers.

[HeadHunter]

hehehe yeah

[redman]

Originally posted by que_SuertE777
Whenever someone laughs menacingly, I'm always reminded of Dr. Evil from Austin Powers.

and all of his henchmen trying to laugh along *going off on tangent*

[LOTRfan]

AND- the pinky slowly but surly ascending towards the comfort of his slightly open mouth

But anyway...I wanted to go more for the "excellent, excellent my pet" when that evil guy strokes the cat in his lap and puts his fingertips together over and over again. Anybody remember where that's from? I seem to remember an evil cat from the inspector gadget cartoon but I can't recall the "excellent." I do know, however, that the Simpsons once did a parody of it when Homer put his fingertips together and said "Exactly, exactly"

[que_SuertE777]

I remember that episode. Mr. Burns is the one who does the, "Excellent, excellent." The evil guy from Inspector Gadet is Dr. Claw... I don't remember what the cat's name was but he reminded me of the Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland.

[Bambi]

Going back to the subject, I think that the circumstances of the death were so strange (plus the whole mirror thing) that it is bound to have some important consequences for the plot. If not, this would simply be a construction error and we all know JK doesn't do that.

[Laterose]

Welcome to the boards, kid.

Anyway, after re-reading the paragraph or so of Sirius's death, I must admit it was rather fishy

[Bambi]

Thanks, chief :) Not that much of a kid anymore, am afraid, in terms of age :) but it's stil cool to be here...

[Laterose]

I call everybody kid ;)

[hpk37067]

Really now?

[Laterose]

You should know that by now ;)

[hpk37067]

True.

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by hpk37067
True.

Reading a book haveing a bud

[Laterose]

yes, that's true for you

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by Laterose
I call everybody kid ;)

thats because to you..most of us are :D

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Laterose
You should know that by now ;)

Speaking about knowing what people will type, what ever happened to Evilsquishy. Quite vanished.

[Laterose]

yes, what happened to her? I need her to help me hijack threads......:( :( :(

[Laterose]

Originally posted by HeadHunter
thats because to you..most of us are :D
*remains silent but smiles broadly* :D

[hpk37067]

Congrats on getting a custom title Laterose!:applaud:

[HeadHunter]

YAY Laterose

[hpk37067]

Come on everybody!

[HeadHunter]

STOP POSTING SO GOD DAMN FAST I CANT KEEP UP http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/krach.gif http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/tongue3.gif

[hpk37067]

Sorry.

[HeadHunter]

...whats your connection speed??

[Laterose]

Originally posted by hpk37067
Congrats on getting a custom title Laterose!:applaud:
Thank you

and thank you to you too Headhunter

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by HeadHunter
...whats your connection speed??

I have a cable modem so it's like 50x faster than 56K. Sorry.

[Laterose]

I hate you ;)

[HeadHunter]

Originally posted by Laterose
I hate you ;)

yup me too

[WebMonkey]

WELL DONE Laterose!

http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/ruinkai/smileyb.gif

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by Laterose
I hate you ;)

I have cable modem at home. At work we have a T1...shared between a whopping 5 people. :D

[que_SuertE777]

We're getting a cable modem, around next Christmas. That totally sucks because we finally get it and I leave a couple months later. The timing is so bad.

[WebMonkey]

I really have no idea what my connect is...? its quite fast thou.

[Laterose]

I hate you too ;)

[hpk37067]

Ahhhh, the sweet feeling of having a better connection speed.:D

[Laterose]

I hate you as well....;)

[hpk37067]

You already said that.

[Laterose]

then I hate you again ;)

[hpk37067]

So much hate. I think it's you who needs the old anger management. Did you see that movie?

[Laterose]

no, besides, you know I'm only kidding with you....
but don't shove anymore maps down HeadHunter's throat. ;)

[hpk37067]

Yeah, I know you're kidding. And I'll shove maps down HeadHunter's throat if I feel like it. With his consent of course.:)

[WebMonkey]

Of course...

[Laterose]

Not that he would give it to you...speaking of which, where is he?

[hpk37067]

I don't know. He's conspicuously absent.

[jodes]

Sirius is gone in my opinion,
You'll remember JK saying she cried when she did it, she wouldn't cry if he was coming back. There was a sadness at the end of the book that would be unneccessary if he hadn't really died. I think his death was a surprising twist and although he was one of my favourite characters it was probably for the best and will probably bring more out of the story. However it's sad that Lupin has lost all his best school friends now. :(

[hpk37067]

I don't think JKR really cried over Sirius's death. I mean, it was probably just a publicity stunt. Anyway, it would bring shame on HP if Sirius just randomly popped out of the blue into the living. And yes, very sad that Lupin has no more friends.:(

[Laterose]

*gives Lupin hug* poor guy :( :( :(

[que_SuertE777]

*sniffle* no friends? We can be his friends :D

[hpk37067]

Right. Let's find a way to transport our minds into the HP books. Onward!

[que_SuertE777]

Just our minds? What what about our bodies? ;)

[Laterose]

Cool! Let's go! :D

[hpk37067]

Well, if we were in the book with our bodies, what would we eat?

[Laterose]

anything they would eat!

[hpk37067]

But they're fictional and we would only eat the paper of the book.

[Laterose]

no, just imagine we were living in their world.

[hpk37067]

I'm imagining me and Hermoine, laying on a beach, you know the rest.

[Laterose]

Okay then...where should I go then?