Did anybody see Bowling for columbine

[dr_evil]

if so does anybidy else agree with what he was saying
after seeing that movie i have been thinking about things differently and each day i like it more

i really liked the part where the 2 teenagers who shot at columbine high went to the k-mart company:applaud:

[Se7en the movie]

yeah seen it 4 times in the cinema and i love it

but there has been threads about this absolutly fantastic movie

[SQueek]

I loved it, can't wait for the DVD.

[manwithoutfear]

the movie was great!!!!

[lechuck13]

Yeha, it was great. Especially when my friend was talked to in Windsor, Ontario. :)

[IdahoMR2man]

I was just watching this on my lunch hour. I sure wish more Republicans would watch it...

[Il Duce]

I thought it was great. Really liked his explanation for why things are the way they are.

[Kris Hodgson]

I still haven't seen it

[IdahoMR2man]

The best part that I saw was when he was interviewing Marilyn Manson. He hit the hammer on the head.

Moore: "If you could say anything to the children at Columbine what would it be?"

Manson: "I wouldn't say anything. I'd listen to them. And that's what no one did."

Props to Manson. Probably the most attacked celebrity of our time and one of the best at responding to it...

[Kris Hodgson]

I wish all of the Manson Haters out there would actually listen to him. He is one of the most intelligent, insightful interviews I've ever seen. But people are too wrapped up in what he looks like to give a **** about what's coming out of his mouth.

[IdahoMR2man]

The Manson Haters are republicans dude. And they don't listen. The rest of us pretty much don't even care about what he looks like or his music anymore.

[Saint Conner]

havn't seen it, is it good?
:nono:

[IdahoMR2man]

It makes me really sad to think about what high school kids have to go through...

[necronon99]

important film

[Steve from Indy]

Well, I haven't seen it. I can't say that I find the man worth listening to. His outlook on life has always struck me as being simple-minded and unrealistic. And he always comes off as condescending. And forget about me debating what happened and why it happened at Columbine. In my experience most people simply aren't capable of engaging in an intelligent debate, because it seems no one can bare the thought of being wrong. So what's the point??

But, although it did have a less than even-handed approach to it's subject, I did find "Roger and Me" entertaining. I have no doubt that "Bowling For Columbine" is also similarly skewed. I have a hard time calling his kind of work a "documentary" when opinions and commentary are added--no matter what the political slant of that opinion.

I suppose I'll watch it if and when it's shown on tv. But I've really grown tired of rhetoric and bombast and ignorant, blind, political, ideological statements. That's why I generally no longer engage in these debates. Critical thinking in this society is dead. And I'm afraid it's not coming back.

[trevaine]

The movie is liberal propaganda. I enjoyed it but I can see it for what it is.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

This is 'true' documentary in the vein of This Is Spinal Tap.

[Il Duce]

This bizarre loathing of Bowling for Columbine is weird. Well not really weird, but I don't particularly understand it.
Moore's style is hard to get used to and he is on the annoying side but he never said anything about taking away people's guns, or having more gun control laws, or anything of that nature.
He pointed out that Canada has just as large a gun fetish as the States do, but a far lower murder rate. And that the reason may be because of the media's portrayal of what life is like here.
That's really all I got from it, no attack against the 2nd Amendment, no "gun lovers are sick bastards who should be rounded up and stoned."

[redman]

it made some great points. I was astounded at the part when he compared the amount of gun related deaths in the US to other countries.

[Citizen Kane]

Originally posted by Kris Hodgson
I wish all of the Manson Haters out there would actually listen to him. He is one of the most intelligent, insightful interviews I've ever seen. But people are too wrapped up in what he looks like to give a **** about what's coming out of his mouth.


Oh yeah, definitely. I was very impressed by the interview he gave in that movie, it was one of the most reasonable and insightful interviews in the whole film. Of course, people won't even try to see that and label him as they always have.

[Citizen Kane]

Originally posted by Il Duce
This bizarre loathing of Bowling for Columbine is weird. Well not really weird, but I don't particularly understand it.
Moore's style is hard to get used to and he is on the annoying side but he never said anything about taking away people's guns, or having more gun control laws, or anything of that nature.
He pointed out that Canada has just as large a gun fetish as the States do, but a far lower murder rate. And that the reason may be because of the media's portrayal of what life is like here.
That's really all I got from it, no attack against the 2nd Amendment, no "gun lovers are sick bastards who should be rounded up and stoned."

That wasn't what Moore's objective was. He didn't want to merely diss the gun-lovers; he wanted to find out why America has such an obsession with killing people with guns. Unfortunately, he never really finds a reason in the film; perhaps there is none.

[Il Duce]

I didn't say he wanted to diss gun lovers. It's just that the majority of complaints about Bowling for Columbine seem to be centered on Moore's "attack" on guns, which I didn't see Moore doing.

[KellyM]

i'm renting it this w/end imma post a big review on monday. australia is on holidays, too bad for ya'll.

[IdahoMR2man]

Hey Steve,
I've never agreed with you on any of your political views BUT I do respect you more than anyone as a really good debator on your views. You almost always take an objective stance and always make good points defending your views rather than attacking other people's views.

Having said that, I really wish you'd watch this film. I'd really like to know what you thought about it.

[slinger]

Originally posted by trevaine
The movie is liberal propaganda. I enjoyed it but I can see it for what it is.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

This is 'true' documentary in the vein of This Is Spinal Tap.

Yeah I enjoyed it and he brought up great points had some good segments but to 'lie' about the facts he's just as bad as Bush about Iraq.

[IdahoMR2man]

HA!!! That website is exactly what it's insinuating B for C is! It's conservative propaganda!! It's saying that the whole movie was lying! All it's points weren't lies at all! That's about the worst arguement you could have...it portrays conservatives exactly the way the film does. Oh lord...

[Balrog of Moria]

Originally posted by IdahoMR2man
It makes me really sad to think about what high school kids have to go through...

Thanks Idaho...Good to know some people care

[IdahoMR2man]

A direct cut and paste from the site:

"8. Race. Moore does not directly state that Heston is a racist--he is the master of creating the false impression --but reviewers come away saying "Heston looks like an idiot, and a racist one at that" Source. "BTW, one thing the Heston interview did clear up, that man is shockingly racist." Source.

The remarks stem from Heston's answer (after Moore keeps pressing for why the US has more violence than other countries) that it might be due to the US "having a more mixed ethnicity" than other nations, and "We had enough problems with civil rights in the beginning." A viewer who accepts Moore's theme that gun ownership is driven by racial fears might conclude that Heston is blaming blacks and the civil rights movement.

But if you look at some history missing from Bowling, you get exactly the opposite picture. Heston is talking, not about race, but about racism. In the early 1960s, the civil rights movement was fighting for acceptance. Civil rights workers were being murdered. The Kennedy Administration, trying to hold together a Democratic coalition that ranged from liberals to fire-eater segregationists such as George Wallace and Lester Maddox, found the issue too hot to touch, and offered little support."

Ok....I call BS...if he was talking about racism why didn't he say it?!! It's not like Moore didn't give him a chance. As soon as Heston said those remarks he immediately back tracked because IMO that he knew he screwed up and didn't want to make it worse. He could have EASILY said, "I'm talking about racism and our problem with it here." Hooray!!! Heston isn't a bad guy! But he didn't. Because IMO that's not how he felt. Propaganda, ha!

[slinger]

The only thing I don't like was the murder rate/death stats, (America has 280 million people compared to Canada's 30 million.) the Pro Gun Rally mess and Moore with the picture of the girl. Camera angles?

http://www.hardylaw.net/moorefrontw.jpg

http://www.hardylaw.net/hestonleavingw.jpg

[IdahoMR2man]

K....what's the point of the camera angle thing? I see nothing wrong...

[slinger]

Well I just watched it. Even when I first watched it I thought well shouldn't we see the camera man in somewhere infront of Heston, you know on the steps so it can get the shot of Moore's face. It was if it was shot for a TV show, not a doc. As in he did something, then reshot again to make it in his vision.
go to the website. http://www.hardylaw.net/hestonfilming.html

But its entertaining, should've it won the Oscar? Eh to late now.

[IdahoMR2man]

Oh...I gotcha. Yeah you're right. But....woopty do. It's bad cinematography...Doesn't really mean anything...

[slinger]

The point: the entire scene of Moore dramatically showing the girl's picture to Heston may have been invented (or "greatly improved upon") in the editing booth. For all we can tell, Moore could have shouted "Hey!" to make Heston turn around and then remained silent as Heston left... then moved the camera to the front to film his re-enactment of showing the girl's picture and asking Heston about it.

Well you just can't believe that really happened. No trust.

[IdahoMR2man]

I see...very interesting. However, I don't think it bares much meaning in the greater scheme of things.

[murray2k]

i saw it at school it was kool

[sunflower03]

can you really compare america's rates to a country like canada's with a lot smaller population? i haven't seen this film, and this may seem like a stupid question but when you say manson you mean marilyn manson right?

[IdahoMR2man]

Yes Marilyn Manson.