Any Angel fans out there?

[spiderman_2k]

Not over here in the UK yet....:(

[Steve125]

Episode 2 of the season was pretty good from what I saw. I'm glad they decided to put Harmony in for more eps. cause she's really great. Slayer Lovin Freak! I'm not really too upset about the lack of Connor and Cordy. *Shudders at the thought of remembering them together*

[Alien]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Not over here in the UK yet....:( I e-mailed Sky about 2-3 weeks ago asking when they will start to show the new season and the replied that they didn't know. What kind of crap answer is that?

[spiderman_2k]

:mad:

[Kyle Katarn]

Angel + Ghost Spike = HELLZ YEAH! :grin: :lol: :funny:

"Bugger."
"I think you missed."
"...brilliant!"
"A spoon?!

[captain cocanut]

Damn the third episode was VERY good. I couldn't believe that little twist.... plus the blond chick WAS VERY VERY hot. Especially when she was naked.

[AnGeL's_BaBe03]

I love Angel (hense my username)

[jasonafcbills]

i will just say this is a rumor from my loc papper,if i had a scanner i will post it.they say that willow will be on the 12-14 eps and that she will try to cast a spell to free spike from hell but something go's wrong and they become 2. they talk a about a very funny screen where spike is like im free and gets a smoke out of his pocket.and trys to light it up,but willow is grabing his hand with her hand and trying to stop him. It also saids that the plot will pick up after the 10th eps.they want to give a back round check on all the new cast members.

[Kyle Katarn]

*Bump*

!@#$!...I have to work late Wed nights, so I only get to see the last half of the shows! :mad: But still good stuff...:

Angel: Ok, Fred, Wes, go find Lorne's sleep. Lorne - try to stop talking. Gunn, go pacify our guests. Meanwhile, I'll stay here and have more sex!

Spike: Oh, I am over the warm fuzzy. It's just - you pissed on the boss' chair! I love it! :funny:

[LS2002]

Lets get this up and running again!

[Alien]

New stuff starts next tuesday on Sky One here :D... About bloody time!

[spiderman_2k]

Strange Day to put it on.

[Alien]

Sky have changed a lot of there times of shows. Stargate and Angel are now on tuesday, New Simpsons Friday and then you've got all the new shows like Nip/Tuck, The Handler and Jake 2.0 (I watch too much Sky One).

[Blackbolt]

I hate when TV shows go on hiatus.

[PsychoMike]

Don't worry Angel will be back next week with new episodes. At least in the US. Not sure about the rest of the world.

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by Alien
Sky have changed a lot of there times of shows. Stargate and Angel are now on tuesday, New Simpsons Friday and then you've got all the new shows like Nip/Tuck, The Handler and Jake 2.0 (I watch too much Sky One).

Yeah I guess they have to jumble things around for all the new shows they have coming on soon.

[Optimus Magnus]

There was only one thing I didn't like with Angel: his kid, well, his personality more or less.

I wanted him to be a bad ass mother****er and he gets his ass kicked by Faith, the bloody powderpuff. Conner should of been one of the strongest characters around with his combined liniage

[Lton]

I caught a piece of the preview for next week and I think Cordelia's going to wake up from her coma. I thought I wouldn't miss her, but I think there's a void left that only she can fill.

[PreachCaleb]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
There was only one thing I didn't like with Angel: his kid, well, his personality more or less.

I wanted him to be a bad ass mother****er and he gets his ass kicked by Faith, the bloody powderpuff. Conner should of been one of the strongest characters around with his combined liniage

Connor was badass. Unfortunately he is no match for a slayer. Slayers are stronger than most vampires and Connor had vampire blood.

[teewee1432]

I'm a big fan of angels current season I just wish they werent showing so many damed repeats!!

[PsychoMike]

They only took December off. there are 52 weeks a year and they only make 22 new episodes, it's like that with most shows.

[PreachCaleb]

I don't mind reruns. Reruns are how I got into Buffy five years ago.

[Optimus Magnus]

Conner was anything BUT badass, he was a whiny little turd.

And Slayers aren't always as powerful as their prey: case in point, Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust.

Now D is a slayer of vampires; and yet half Vampire himself and not a single other hunter has ever gotten the best of him, so in theory if Conner is even on par with D (which he's not), Faith should be like a bug to him

[PreachCaleb]

That's a completely different mythology. You can't compare them. In Buffy's world the Slayer is created specifically for killing vampires and was therefore made stronger than the average vampire. And if you don't think Connor was bad ass just watch the beginning of A New World where Connor kicks the collective asses of Angel, Gunn, and Groo.

[carnage4u]

aye. cant really compare vampire hunter d with buffy.
Im just happy ill get to see angel in next 1/2 day or so

[Optimus Magnus]

you're right, Vampire Hunter D is the BETTER mythology, but for another point: Blade

Same type of character, but more in pace with Buffy and Angel. I so wanted him to a guest stint on that show and show Buffy how it was done; I so think that Buffy shouldn't have been able to kill Dracula as easily as she did

Bram Stoker did the better kind of Dracula

And if Conner can do that, why can't he beat Faith cos Angel did once I think

[PreachCaleb]

Angel's a better fighter than Faith, and Faith wanted to die. And don't put words in my mouth. D is not the better mythology. And as for Blade, he wouldn't last five minutes against Buffy. She's taken out a god. She'd probably put Blade and D in the ground. Dracula had no chance.

[spiderman_2k]

She took out Glory because she had a weaon that dealt maximum damage to her, Blade would waste Buffy in a fight.

Anyway the first episode of Angel was just shown in the UK, Pretty good episode, but nothing really great, the emergance of Spike at the end was pure class, the way he came out of the gem thingy was great.

[carnage4u]

err dindt blade take out a god at the end of the first blade?

Guns seems to work well on the slayers

[UnicornBlood3]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
you're right, Vampire Hunter D is the BETTER mythology, but for another point: Blade

Same type of character, but more in pace with Buffy and Angel. I so wanted him to a guest stint on that show and show Buffy how it was done; I so think that Buffy shouldn't have been able to kill Dracula as easily as she did

Bram Stoker did the better kind of Dracula

And if Conner can do that, why can't he beat Faith cos Angel did once I think

Buffy didn't kill Dracula..

[Optimus Magnus]

Blade and D would own Buffy so hardcore, both of them are Vampire/Human hybrids, which makes them stronger than a pure blood of either race, and to top that, D is the son of Dracula and when he gets pissed, he owns.

If Buffy didn't kill Dracula then, he should come back for a rematch

[PreachCaleb]

This is why we can't compare different stories. They all have their own rules. Buffy may not have killed Dracula, but she defeated him. And besides, Drac never stays dead.

[carnage4u]

of course you cant keep dracula dead... they would have to stop making castelvania games then.

[Kyle Katarn]

GREAT to have the show back! Kind of a letdown after the HUGE implications of the show last week, but still a good one. Especially if you're a Harmony fan, as she was the star. Though Spike had his moments too....(see sig! :D )

[PsychoMike]

Yeah good episode, Harm is so funny.

There wasn't much of a cliffhanger before it went on hiatus (not like last season with the appearence of The Beast) so I was expecting a funny episode.

Next week looks really good. Another Spike episode and Eve is back.

[Optimus Magnus]

It just pisses me off, all these great Vampire hunter characters and only the ****ty ones ever get decent air time

the Blade movies are cool, so are VHD ones, but Buffy started out as a comedy, Joss Whedon is to be comended in turning an 80's teen horror comedy into what he did, but call me what you will but I never got over how badly most of the male characters in both Buffy and Angel were portrayed

[sphericthor]

Series 5 just started here in the UK on Tuesday night and the credits at the start just seemed so wrong with Spike alongside the rest of the team. I guess it's something that I'll get used to in time but at this time I think it's strange.

Anyway episode 1 was alright, there just wasn't enough going on in it but I usually expect that from the start of a new series.

[PreachCaleb]

I think it's great seeing James Marster's name right next to David Boreanaz.

[carnage4u]

It was a good show. Hard to follow up the last one though as it was top Notch. This one was amusing and nice to see it from a slighty different angle. I do wish Angel would stop acting as odd as hes been since this season has started though.
I think the next few weeks should be a wild ride with all the crazy stuff thats coming.

[UnicornBlood3]

Does anyone know when the 100th ep is supposed to be airing? Because that's the one Cordy is waking up on..

[PsychoMike]

Originally posted by UnicornBlood3
Does anyone know when the 100th ep is supposed to be airing? Because that's the one Cordy is waking up on..

The 100th episode would be episode 12 of this season. I think next week is episode 10. So I would say February, just in time for sweeps in the US.

[HeadHunter]

I am so annoyed that i have to wait for season 5 Angel to be released on Video here in the UK cause i dont have Sky and terestrial tv stoped airing it

[MazzaRedd]

great to see angel back on tv again, i missed it for a while, and will take some time getting use to seeing spike in with the team

[carnage4u]

Either the 1st or 2nd week in Feb is the 100th episode. I know andrew makes an appearance in either the One after that or before it in a "slayer" themed episode.

[UnicornBlood3]

Thanks! Wow hes coming!? Cool.

[Alien]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus
There was only one thing I didn't like with Angel: his kid, well, his personality more or less.

I wanted him to be a bad ass mother****er and he gets his ass kicked by Faith, the bloody powderpuff. Conner should of been one of the strongest characters around with his combined liniage Come on the Slyers have to be the strongest thing going (On a 1 on 1 battle) or there would be no point in them.

[sphericthor]

Originally posted by HeadHunter
I am so annoyed that i have to wait for season 5 Angel to be released on Video here in the UK cause i dont have Sky and terestrial tv stoped airing it

Channel 5 still show it, they're just waiting until they go ahead to show series 4, so you only have about 2 years to wait for it to be on TV. In the mean time you can just watch the late night shows on the same channel ;)

[React24]

I just started watching angel when i found out spike was on it, is this the last season and is next weeks episode the final one???

[Kyle Katarn]

Last season - I HOPE not! :)

Final ep next week? HELLZ no! We're just getting warmed up! :cool: Like Mike said, next week's is the 10th episode.

And SOMEbody here better watch it for me and post a detailed summary of what happens the first half hour...damn job!!!! :(

[LS2002]

Um I find it odd that 10 episodes will be in a season. Where did you hear that it will be the last Episode?

[Optimus Magnus]

Spike deserves his own show

[Alien]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Last season - I HOPE not! :)

Final ep next week? HELLZ no! We're just getting warmed up! :cool: Like Mike said, next week's is the 10th episode.

And SOMEbody here better watch it for me and post a detailed summary of what happens the first half hour...damn job!!!! :( That’s why they invented the video record and the DVD-RW... Well they probably didn’t invent them just so you could record Angel but you get the idea.

[PsychoMike]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
And SOMEbody here better watch it for me and post a detailed summary of what happens the first half hour...damn job!!!! :(

If I remember I'll send you a detailed PM for the first half. I would presume someone somewhere would have it posted on the net shortly after it is aired (if not before).

[spiderman_2k]

Only about an hour and a half until the UK get the 2nd episode of Angel (hopefully with more Spike in) great character, always has been, always will be.

[spiderman_2k]

Well that was a cool episode, Spike was just as great as he is on Buffy...Not sure how I feel about Gunn being all knowledged up though...

[Alien]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Well that was a cool episode, Spike was just as great as he is on Buffy.I did like Spike in that last episode, he didn't have has normal banter and he just wanted to attack Angel. Why does Angel and Spike still have it in for each other when they now both have souls and are both good?

And was it just me or does David (Angel) look really tall and fat standing next to James (Spike)?

[spiderman_2k]

I dont think he looks fat..More built, he is definately a larger guy....He wanted to attack Angel because they have a huge history, Humans have souls, but that doesn't stop us from attacking each other...I thought he was prefect with his "banter" the way he spoke to harmony was great...The "Oh Brilliant" line when he punched through that demons head was great..The spoon bit great too.

[carnage4u]

Tonights show was great. from angels twisted dreams to the tricks that played on the gang, and watching Lindsey push Spike down the same path that angel started out on, and even doing some of the same movies as angel from season one.

I thought eve pulled off a good last minute save at the end to get herself out of a little trouble.

Great episode.. 3rd favorite of the season for me so far.

[Kyle Katarn]

Our UK pals would probably appreciate it if you [/spoiler]-ed that! ;)

Anyhoo....my cuz wanted me to verify something: did the ex 'one handed lawyer beast' Lindsey ask Spike to call him 'Doyle?' :confused:

It'd make sense.

And next weeks ep, we finally get to see one of the BIG consequences of the Buffy finale: NEW SLAYER! :applaud: :eek:

[PsychoMike]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Anyhoo....my cuz wanted me to verify something: did the ex 'one handed lawyer beast' Lindsey ask Spike to call him 'Doyle?' :confused:

Yes

[Kyle Katarn]

Cool - thanks. :cool:

[LS2002]

Well first of all Lindsey would not want to reviel his real name because what if Spike said to Angel I have a man called Lindsey visit me today. A Perfect cover

[carnage4u]

of course if he mentions.. doyles name.. that will be interesting as well.

Looks like this should play out nicely ( and sadly im moving next wed so im going to have to find other means to get a copy of the show)

[UnicornBlood3]

Yeah it's going to be really intesting if Spike does mention Doyle's name and the fact that *he* is telling Spike that he has visions..

[Lton]

I love how Spike yelled at that woman he saved ("Who wears those heels in a dark alley...you dumb cow!) and how he totally collapsed Gunn and Wesley's "Making-a-difference-from-the-inside" argument.

[AnGeL's_BaBe03]

I cant believe it, i missed the 2nd episode of this series im absolutley gutted.

[carnage4u]

From what i have read, they still have not signed for a new year, which is annoying because they already signed up charmed for next year and it seems they always wait to last moment for angel, even though the shows rating are still going rather well.

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by AnGeL's_BaBe03
I cant believe it, i missed the 2nd episode of this series im absolutley gutted.

It should be repeated on Sky One Mix sometimes during the week.

[Alien]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
It should be repeated on Sky One Mix sometimes during the week. Too late now, Sky One Mix repeats it again on Saturdays if I remember right, if not Sundays.

[React24]

how many episodes are there suppsost to be this season, and if there is another season does that mean pretty much that angel isnt gonna beat spike to become human?

[carnage4u]

i belive 22 or 24, but for some reason i cant remeber which it is for sure.

[UnicornBlood3]

Probably 22. That's what is has been all the other times.

[UnicornBlood3]

That was such a great eposide! It's one of my favorites now! :) Can't wait until Cordy wakes up next week!

[Klimber]

I am glad that they brought back Andrew from Buffy, that guy cracks me up. His LOTR references with Spike were funny as hell.

[PsychoMike]

I think the best was the end. when Andrew showed up with a group of slayers to take Dana(?) with them. Also telling Angel that "They", Buffy and the Slayers, didn't trust him any more since he's at Wolfram and Heart. I also liked finding out what happened to the rest of the Buffy cast.

[JesterX1313]

That was my favorite episode from this season so far. Andrew was my favorite character from season 7 of Buffy. I hope we get to see him again. I would like to see Giles and Willow also.

[UnicornBlood3]

Originally posted by PsychoMike
I think the best was the end. when Andrew showed up with a group of slayers to take Dana(?) with them. Also telling Angel that "They", Buffy and the Slayers, didn't trust him any more since he's at Wolfram and Heart. I also liked finding out what happened to the rest of the Buffy cast.

Agreed that was probably my favorite part! Hopefully it will knock some sense into Angel.

[Klimber]

Think Andrew is the perfect Buffy comedy sidekick. Smart but completely clueless at the same time. Like Zander used to be but better

[PsychoMike]

Originally posted by UnicornBlood3
Agreed that was probably my favorite part! Hopefully it will knock some sense into Angel.
From the previews I saw for next week they'll be getting another kick in the head.

[carnage4u]

The show has been buildling up to some good stuff.

Next week
all i do know now, which is very little (thank god)
is that I saw a picture of angel/cordy/spike confront Lindsey in a room

other then that nothing, altough it was leaked today they shot a secret ending and revailed the other a few weeks ago to get people off track, but now the secret one is out.

[UnicornBlood3]

Wow! Good because I've been waiting for Angel and Lindsey to finally see eachother
Looks like next weeks ep will be just as good as this one :)

[Kyle Katarn]

It was cool to see some Spike/Angel bonding at the end..somewhat! ;)

Spike: She really is one of us now...a monster.
Angel: She's an innocent victim!
Spike: So were WE...once upon a time.
Angel: Once upon a time.

[UnicornBlood3]

Yeah I liked that part too

[Alien]

Originally posted by JesterX1313
That was my favorite episode from this season so far. Andrew was my favorite character from season 7 of Buffy. I hope we get to see him again. I would like to see Giles and Willow also. After watching the Buffy Episode that first brings in Wes I'd like to see Giles and Wes get back together to see Giles' reaction at how much he's changed (for the better).

[carnage4u]

The transformation of Wes is amazing and he is one of the highlights on angel.

the fact the turned andrew from someone I hated in season 6 to someone I actually liked still blows my mind.

of course i hated tara for about 2 seasons. i realized i really liked her maybe 3 weeks before her death, which sort of pissed me off.

Of course I still miss Lylah(sp) when she died. That really saddened me greatly. altough a lot of good characters on angel have bit the dust

[moviegeek]

it was good to see andrew again.

[Alien]

Originally posted by carnage4u
Of course i hated tara for about 2 seasons. i realized i really liked her maybe 3 weeks before her death, which sort of pissed me off.How could you not like Tara? Tara was hot plus she was a lesbian! No offence to lesbian but most aren’t nearly as hot.

[Kyle Katarn]

I'd like to see Giles and Wes have a good brawl...(and it could very well happen!)

While the original Wes would get his ass handed to him by Giles, the 'hardcore' Wes could give him a run for his money...!

[Alien]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
I'd like to see Giles and Wes have a good brawl...(and it could very well happen!)

While the original Wes would get his ass handed to him by Giles, the 'hardcore' Wes could give him a run for his money...! Actually I see an idea for an episode where Watcher Wes has to fight Rogue Demon Hunter Wes through dimensional bleeding or time travel.

[Kyle Katarn]

That would be cool...be a pretty one-sided fight though! :twisted:

Oooo...for the season finisher - how about a battle royale between the Scoobies and Angel Inc? - maybe with the rationale being that W&H sets up Angel to take the fall for something bad, and Buffy & Co shows up to bring make him pay! Maybe that could even be what's going on....the Senior Partners get 2 of the greatest fighters for good to take out each other..?

For an even bigger slugfest - throw in the Slayers on one side, and Wolfram and Hart personnel loyal to Angel on the other! :eek:

[carnage4u]

Originally posted by Alien
How could you not like Tara? Tara was hot plus she was a lesbian! No offence to lesbian but most aren’t nearly as hot.

her character just bothered me for a while till i learned to really like her. then she went all dead on me.

Her death i found in the top 3 for disturbing.

[Kyle Katarn]

Talk about disturbing...! Some of the shockers from this season have been:

From earlier when Wes' dad came to visit: Wes blowing 'dad' straight to hell for pulling a gun on Fred!

And 2 violent ones from the most recent ep: The psychotic slayer cutting the guards head off (with very effective sound effects) and later Spike waking up from being drugged, and holding up his arms and looking at where his HANDS USED TO BE!!! :eek:

[carnage4u]

The Ep with Wes did i think is tied for my favorite of the year. That moment was just insane. I think i swore outloud at the tv when it happened.

[carnage4u]

100th episode tonight.. im so excited )

[spiderman_2k]

Bugger I missed last nights episode...:(

[carnage4u]

its Tonight. not last night. unless your off in some odd corner of the world

[Alien]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Bugger I missed last nights episode...:( Check the sky One Mix times before you're too late.

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by carnage4u
its Tonight. not last night. unless your off in some odd corner of the world

Yes but I like to call it the UK...:p

I just checked Angel is repeated on Saturday at 11pm on Mix, I'll watch it then.

[Alien]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
I just checked Angel is repeated on Saturday at 11pm on Mix, I'll watch it then. It's not the best episode ever but it's worth watching.

I have a problem with Angel that until Spike came along I never noticed. Angel and now Spike (William) are fighting on the side of good to redeem themselves so they don't go to hell when they do die but there souls are good so they shouldn't be going to hell in the first place. Sure they both done there share of 'evil' things but that wasn't Angel (Liam) or William that was Angelus and Spike.

[carnage4u]

Interesting, but i think the belief of the characters is, even though they were evil when they did it, and good after they recived their soulds. that their evil must be atooned for a lot first. altough that donest make sense in some ways. its the idea beyond the show.

[spiderman_2k]

Its the idea of Balance.

[carnage4u]

Holy Crap amazement.

To say that episode was great would be an understatement. Im friggin still a bit under the shock and awe.

must switch to spoiler tag

OH my god. I cant belive that ****. From cordy waking up. to Them finding out whats been going on. To seeing that Old video of doyle. To the death of linsdey, and to figthing out cordy really died in the common. I realized half way thru i was actually standing up watching it and not realizing it. I never could have hoped for that much coolness in one episode. so many good quotes I cant remember one of them correctly.. im going to have to check out some sites tomorrow to get a list of them when posted.


Even the trailer for next week looked crazy ww2 action.. spike a nazi... thats funny ****

[Kyle Katarn]

I haven't seen the whole series, but I will go out on a limb and say this is: The. Best. Episode. EVER.

Unlike the last big Buffyverse event - Spike burning up in the hellmouth - the ending this time has REAL emotion, because you know it's permanent! :waa: :(

I thought maybe Cordy was staying around for a bit...that the 'one shot' was just a ruse. But when Angel picks up the phone and says "That's impossible - she's standing right here!!!" ....a major "HOLY S&!%!" moment!

And we seem to be down a big bad now...any ideas on what's up with that? *imagines an emotional showdown with "Dark Wes" as the finale! :D

I don't know about next week's ep tho...Ally Angel vs. Nazi Spike on a sub in 1943???? :confused:

[carnage4u]

that big bad comment is still spoilerish.. you might want to black a bit more out.

2 things.. we still dont know where the "robots" came from early in the season.. that will play up im sure
also in that next week

with spike being a nazi.. if he meets angel, he cant know angel is good because in season 2 when he meets angel, he still thinks he bad.

will be interesting to see if they screw that up.


also

I am not upset how cordy died, ironiclly on a few angel message boards there is a huge backlash kneejerk how she died,, I am not mad by it, sad yes, we cant pick how people die. I think some people want characters to live forever or they have to die a noble death or of old age.. its sad and it happened, i hope its after the kneejerk reaction people just realize its sad and thats ok.

[carnage4u]

also the permament thing really gives it away for anyone with even a remote clue of life :) not trying to harass you. just saving you from people in a little bit yelling at you.

but i agree with you. that is by far one of my fav episdoes. and i hate saying that after seeing one, but i have to think about it and over time it probably will stay in the top 5.

[Kyle Katarn]

Good point....:cool: *spoilers the whole thing for good measure*

Anyway, I was thinking about Angel and Spike's history, and thought of that too. Maybe it'll be like a dream or something, like Angel parasite-induced hallucinations earlier...

As for Linds....remember, W&H contracts are for life and beyond - like Lila! I have a feeling if he's pissed them off, Lindsey's fate will be worse than, and not near as simple as, death. And he's OBSESSED with killing Angel, so I don't think we've seen the last of him...tho we might have........confusioooooon! :eek: :D

[carnage4u]

i agree, we will see him again. Also if the senior partners can just upon up vortex and swallow people up. wouldnt that be bad for angel when he works against them more directl.. just suck em up and poof?

[Kyle Katarn]

Also a good point!

Best Spike moment and worst error ( ;) ) Spike beating on his X-Box and cursing that "bloody, barrel-throwing gorilla" and "stupid bloody plumber!!!" :D Come on Joss, Nintendo will NEVER license Mario to Microsost! :rolleyes: :p :lol: ;)

[carnage4u]

You are correct. i thought it was odd to see an x-box and those games. but maybe in their universe microsoft already owns everything.

[Seldomseen]

Microsoft > you

Man, watching episodes like that makes me wish I had time to see the rest of the season. Unfortunately, university life is not very kind to me, and so I'm stuck with one show, 24, every week. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, either. IMO 24's the wickedest. show. ever. Hence, its Golden Globe. But I digress ...

That has got to be one of the best Angel episodes I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing. Not only did it have ample humour (Man, the screenwriters really know how to write people with quick minds and even quicker mouths. The quotes just kept coming!), nice Matrix-esque action (and you can't deny this, either. I was so totally envisioning Neo jumping around with the rest of those goons in the Merovingian's chateau), and feature the whole, hot ensemble cast of Angel, but it had all the emotion of the greatest tear-jerkers of our time. And not once, not twice, but thrice (maybe even--um, er ... fourice?) were we entreated to honest, believable heart-to-hearts between people this episode. I loved it. Everyone was at their acting best, and it was just ... wow. I don't ever want to forget this episode.

The ending just blew me away. I knew the call was going to be the centerpiece of it all, but I had no idea it would be connected, in any way, to Cordelia. I thought it would be more like a client that wants to do bad things, but wants W&H to sanction them, and Angel was gonna give them the brushoff. But no! It was the harbinger of Miss Chase's doom! I got all choked up when Angel simply whispered, "... Thank you." Powerful stuff.

Oh, and those emotional parts I was talking about? Okay, that one was one. The one where Cordy told Angel that it was up to him to find what it was he was fighting for; that was two. The one where Cordy and Wes reminisce; that was three (Wow, Wes got a little funky with his words: "... Kickin' it old school, as they say." And his facial expression? That was gold. It was so unlike the Wes I know. I liked that anyhow. It was like they were back to when Wes first arrived on Angel and Cordelia's doorstep all those years ago ...). And, of course, the Doyle video; that was four. I thought we would never see that again. I'm glad their memory of him is still strong.

Lastly, Harmony is an absolute goddess. :D:D:D

Memorable quotes:

Angel: "Good times!" Hey, that's my line! :p

Angel: "'Cause you know what? I'm Angel! I beat the bad guys!" That was deceptively simple. It's not that it didn't sound like a well thought out line; I mean think about it. That line encompassed everything Angel was trying to believe he was doing. Now that he's got that back, I believe he's more focussed than ever.

Angel: "I think the Senior Partners would like a word ..." Ooh, that gave me chills. I almost felt sorry for Lindsey, because I'm pretty sure they won't be so kind to him as they were with Lilah. Verily, he is likely to face a fate worse than death itself.

Spike: "We're all dead men here." Best line of the hour. Spike's always got the best lines!

[carnage4u]

Harmory lines were good too.. "shes talking already? i didnt notice"

[Freelow]

Like everyone else...without a doubt one of the better Angel shows in a long time.

Harmony has now become one of my favorite characters because of last nights episode.

I thought the idea of the type of security on the basement after going through the laser beams was a fantastic idea.

And the Cordy wrapup - well done. Good way to wrap up a loose end.

Oh.....Donkey Kong still rules.

[UnicornBlood3]

That was probably one of my favorite eposides! They just keep on getting better and better! This is the greatest season yet, IMO! All we would need would be for Buffy to come back and it would be perfect! (Even though shes not :() Hey you know I would be happy enough to see Faith or Willow return for an ep or so. I loved it when they showed the Doyle video! Almost made me tear up! Angel and Lindsay's fight scene was awesome! The ending well..That was depressing! :waa: When Angel goes "when did she die" I just broke down. I have to agree about Spike having the best lines! I'm glad they added him to the cast! Eve is probably really pissed. No doubt she'll be back soon.

[carnage4u]

I do think this season if it keeps the pace could be my favorite. I thought that last year, but i thought it faltered a lot with the "jasmine character"

howerver that doyle video was Priceless.

[Kyle Katarn]

I like Harmony more and more too! I loved when she was getting info out of a certian un-cooperative villaness!

Cordy: We don't have time for this! Torture her!
Angel: I can't do that!
Harmony: I can! I'm still evil, technically! *WHAM!*
Angel: Works for me.
bad girl: Ok ok....*yadda yadda yadda...*
Harmony: *WHAM - WHACK!*
Angel: HARMONY!!! She's TALKING!
Harmony: Oh, already? ...Man.

[UnicornBlood3]

That part was great! :)

[Radiohead]

i missed the part with the doyle video. what was it?

[carnage4u]

It just showed Cordy watchign the video her and doyle made in season 1 and angel walked in and then they just talked a little bit about it.

Just a nice moment.

[Radiohead]

i only started watching angel when the Beast came around, so i have not seen this doyle guy. i dont know who he is or what his background is. poor me.
i think this might be a good time to go rent the angel television series. i like what i have seen since i started watching the show.

[carnage4u]

ah. If you ever watch or get season 1 you will get to like Doyle.

I think watching Wesly transform from the "Rogue Demon" hunter pansy that he was to the actually solid character he is now, is just an amazing thing that truly shows off how good this show truly is.

[React24]

Man i thought they were actually goin somewhere with that whole lindsay thing, i fugured they were goin to do it till this seasons end and then they just stopped, now they must be planning somthin really good for the remainder of the season, and whos gonna get that whole champions thing, cuz i mean if angel gets it then that means that this would be the last season cuz who wants to watch a show about a plain mortal??

[Alien]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
W&H contracts are for life and beyond - like Lila!Don't think I need to keep the spoiler stuff but hay. Right if W&H contracts are for life and beyond did Angel and Co sign a W&H contract when they took over?

[carnage4u]

heh.. i hope ot, but thats agood point.

[Alien]

See I don't know would Angel fall for that, he knew about head-less chick because of that ring that took him to hell AKA earth. Was Conner that bigg a deal to him to sign away his soul?

[carnage4u]

yes yes, but still funny thought at the least

[Kobolos]

the only problem I have with the potential of 1943 is...according to what we saw of Angel's orgins on Buffy....wasn't Angel just a sad sack for most of the 20th century? Hanging out in alleyways, eating rats...it just seemed out of sorts that he would be on a mission for the Allies....great premises though, very Captain America now that I think about it.

[MKblue]

Originally posted by React24
Man i thought they were actually goin somewhere with that whole lindsay thing, i fugured they were goin to do it till this seasons end and then they just stopped, now they must be planning somthin really good for the remainder of the season, and whos gonna get that whole champions thing, cuz i mean if angel gets it then that means that this would be the last season cuz who wants to watch a show about a plain mortal??

Episode 5.13: Why We Fight
Airdate: February 11, 2004

Angel (David Boreanaz) travels back to his days in World War II when the U.S. Navy enlisted his aid to retrieve a German submarine with a secret cargo of vampires, including Spike (James Marsters).

Episode 5.14: Smile Time
Airdate: February 18, 2004

When a popular children’s show begins to steal the life forces of children by hypnotizing them, Angel (David Boreanaz) goes directly to the studio to uncover the evil doings. Upon entering the building, Angel triggers a spell that transforms him into a puppet. In a race against time, puppet-Angel and company must find a way to reverse the spell, save the lives of hundreds of children and return Angel to his normal vampire state. Meanwhile, Nina (guest star Jenny Mollen), the werewolf Angel befriended, returns to declare her romantic intentions, but puppet-Angel is too embarrassed to reciprocate. Alexis Denisof, Amy Acker, J. August Richards, James Marsters, Andy Hallett and Mercedes McNab also star. The episode was written and directed By Ben Edlund.
Episode 5.15: A Hole in the World
Airdate: February 25, 2004

WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY JOSS WHEDON When Fred (Amy Acker) opens up an ancient sarcophagus that was anonymously sent to her, she is infected by a mysterious parasitic demon called Illyria. Angel (David Boreanaz) and Spike (James Marsters) learn that Illyria is an ancient demon who existed before recorded time, and they must race to return her to an ancient demon burial ground before she kills Fred and thousands of other innocent victims.

Episode 5.16: Shells
Airdate: March 3, 2004

THE END OF FRED Angel (David Boreanaz) and Spike (James Marsters) return from England defeated, knowing that the ancient demon Illyria has completely taken over Fred's (Amy Acker) body and soul. Upon learning that Knox (guest star Jonathan Woodward) and Gunn (J. August Richards) have each contributed to her demise, Wesley (Alexis Denisof) is bent on revenge and Angel tries everything to restore Fred, including calling on an old friend from Sunnydale. Meanwhile, Illyria tries to locate an ancient temple where she believes she will find an army ready to help her destroy mankind.


Episode 5.17: Title Unknown
Airdate: Winter/Spring 2004

In the W&H parking garage, a man named Hamilton seems to want to attack Eve, who's there with Spike and Angel. Lindsey is also there but he's on the ground. Angel has a sword and readies to use it as Hamilton grabs for something in his jacket pocket... it's a pen! Hamilton tells Eve that she knows how it works. She asks him to tell the Senior Partners that it's a mistake. Hamilton says that it's impossible. Angel, sword in hand, tells Hamilton to back off. Eve tells Angel to not bother because it's over. Hamilton shows a contract and the pen to Eve, who signs it. Once it's done, Hamilton presents himself as Edward Hamilton, team Angel's new liaison to the Senior Partners. Along with her immortality and other priviledges, Eve signed her liaison duties over to Edward. The Senior Partners felt that Even was too easily distracted and lost sight of the big picture. She says that she fell in love. On the roof of Fred's apartment, Illyria and Wesley look at the city.

Sarah Michelle Gellar won't be back as Buffy after all. The erstwhile Slayer — who was in talks to do a two-episode arc on Buffy spinoff Angel during May sweeps — has opted against picking up stakes again. Says Joss Whedon, creator of both series: "She feels it's not the right time." Allthough she may become a series regular in late 2004. In related news, the Scooby-Doo thesp has signed on to star in the horror film The Grudge, an English-language remake of the Japanese thriller Ju-On.


E! Online attended the final Buffy Posting Board Party this week asked Eliza about the possibility of a spinoff.

It is the End of the Buffyverse as We Know It? Not so, according to exec producer Joss Whedon, who addressed the crowd at Buffy the Vampire Slayer's annual Posting Board Party (which raised $30,000 for the Make-a-Wish Foundation) on Saturday.

Fans from around the world flew in for the event, which was attended by a handful of Buffy and Angel cast members, and the room went utterly ape-dookie when Joss took the stage and declared: "People are always saying, 'What does it feel like? Is it over?' It's not over! We'll be seeing you again very soon."

Maybe so, maybe not, at least when it comes to that Faith spinoff. Though it's clear that Sarah Michelle Gellar won't be on board for another season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Eliza Dushku feels her show is still up in the air. "No, no! I can't say," Eliza said when I asked whether she'd signed on for the spinoff. "We don't know what's goin' on...I'm trying to figure out a lot of things in my own life. Do I want to go to college, do I want to do a show? It's been kind of a trip, but there's nothing definite for sure right now. In the meantime everyone has Angel to look foward to, and Joss has allready said that this is just not the right time for another spinoff, but it's a strong possibility."

[carnage4u]

It takes a lot of willpower not to read about the next few episodes

[Kyle Katarn]

*claps hands over ears* La la la la la la la la la la la.....

[MKblue]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
*claps hands over ears* La la la la la la la la la la la.....


:twisted: screams read it u know u want to!!!!!!

come to the dark side * snickers evilly *

[Kobolos]

*reads*

wow...I never saw that coming....getting rid of Mr. Chin altogether and bringing Brendon back and calling it "One eyed Xander and the Vampire Pirates of LA"

Brilliant! You guys gotta read those spoilers! I never saw that coming.

PS. Why are you posting about the Buffy Posting Party...that was...um.... Last year? (go see the Buffy thread from way back. That's before Eliza even signed on for Tru Calling, and you know how that's gone.

[carnage4u]

i am hoping that one of those spoilers is true. i actually came across it on another board that just had the big news just posted right in the open, which I was a little annoyed with, but i think its for the best :)

[MKblue]

Originally posted by carnage4u
i am hoping that one of those spoilers is true. i actually came across it on another board that just had the big news just posted right in the open, which I was a little annoyed with, but i think its for the best :)

which spoiler?

o and

Quote:

Why are you posting about the Buffy Posting Party...that was...um.... Last year? (go see the Buffy thread from way back. That's before Eliza even signed on for Tru Calling, and you know how that's gone.

because now that Tru Calling is doing somewhat better we may not get the Faith Spin off :( that was just a reminder

[[Future]Snip]

im not a fan of junk like this

[Klimber]

Well then Away with you!

[UnicornBlood3]

Originally posted by [Future]Snip
im not a fan of junk like this

Then why post at all? :rolleyes:

[spiderman_2k]

Because he is a spamming idiot.

[UnicornBlood3]

Ah yes that is what I thought was the reason.

Anyway do yall think Conner is going to come back at all this season? I heard somewhere that he had signed on for one eposide but I think it was just a rumor. Also wondering (don't know if it's been talked about before) when they placed him into a new home did they take his super strength away? I mean you think he would notice if they hadn't? Oh well just some thoughts that were annyoning my mind...

[Kyle Katarn]

I imagine the Partners took away Connor's strength, all part of giving him a normal life.

[Kobolos]

MK, I don't think a Faith spin-off is going to happen regardless.

I don't anticipate anything til after Angel shuts down.

[Klimber]

You never know I think her current show is in a risky slot. What were they thinking of when the choice of what was going to get blasted by Friends and Survior.

[Inferno]

Angel was completely jumped the shark. The 5th season opener just aired here in Australia - and it was craptacular. Whatever happened to the idea of 4 people fighting the odds to help the helpless. There's just too many characters now.

[MKblue]

Originally posted by Inferno
Angel was completely jumped the shark. The 5th season opener just aired here in Australia - and it was craptacular. Whatever happened to the idea of 4 people fighting the odds to help the helpless. There's just too many characters now.


i somewhat agree

allthough

*NEW SPOILER*

Those thinking that Lindsey was out of the running as “Angel’s” fifth-season big bad were almost certainly right. After Fred is killed, Team Angel decides it needs to recruit someone who might know more than they do about the senior partners. So guess who they rescue from a Wolfram-engineered purgatory?

so maybe your wish will come true, but now that i think about it that wouldnt really make a difference if they just added someone again, "scratches head*

[MKblue]

Originally posted by UnicornBlood3
Ah yes that is what I thought was the reason.



Anyway do yall think Conner is going to come back at all this season? I heard somewhere that he had signed on for one eposide but I think it was just a rumor. Also wondering (don't know if it's been talked about before) when they placed him into a new home did they take his super strength away? I mean you think he would notice if they hadn't? Oh well just some thoughts that were annyoning my mind...

dude where u been, dont know if u wanna be spoiled though...

*fairly new*


01/29/04 - Wearing glasses, jeans and T-shirt, David looked relaxed as he answered questions and signed a mountain of autographs at The Angel European Event. As well as chatting about favourite episodes, how he relaxes, directing and the like, he politely turned down the many hundreds of dates he was offered. Now, now ladies, he's a married man!

One birthday girl had a special surprise when she was invited up on stage by the big man. Sitting with David's arm around her, she looked like all her presents had come at once.

Asked about how Angel would manage without Cordelia, David said that it was one of the issues addressed at the beginning of season five. He added that we might well see Connor back. "They're playing with an episode where he comes back, he doesn't know who I am, which should be interesting." To massive cheers, he also confirmed that Buffy would be appearing on Angel during the next season.

[Alien]

Originally posted by MKblue
dude where u been, dont know if u wanna be spoiled though...

*fairly new*

Asked about how Angel would manage without Cordelia, David said that it was one of the issues addressed at the beginning of season five. He added that we might well see Connor back. "They're playing with an episode where he comes back, he doesn't know who I am, which should be interesting." To massive cheers, he also confirmed that Buffy would be appearing on Angel during the next season. I how Buffy doesn't become a regular like Joss said she would. Gellar had her own show she shouldn't just jump ship.

I hope they do bring Connor back, I'm like the only one who liked him.

[UnicornBlood3]

Hey was that Freddie Prince Jr. I saw?

And hey I thought that Angel and Spike didn't see eachother until Buffy season 2? :confused:

[MKblue]

Originally posted by UnicornBlood3
Hey was that Freddie Prince Jr. I saw?

And hey I thought that Angel and Spike didn't see eachother until Buffy season 2? :confused:


man u are lost, they knew eachother way before then.

and freddy prince jr? :confused:

anyway, didnt think tonite was that good, got too used to the great 100th ep, was expecting more, and more story coverage.
seems like they are moving a little slow this season and i dont want them to try to cram a bunch of story into the two final eps

[Kyle Katarn]

WHERE YA BEEN, Kobolos?! :D

1943 blew me away - pretty much because I was expecting crap. It was neat to see the beginnings of the Initiative...and possibly the inklings of the control chips? My favorite part - tho I had it figured out by then - was when Angel sired the ensign! :eek:

And they pulled off a pre-Sunnydale Angel/Spike reunion and kept the continuity by having Spike think it was a Spike/ANGELUS reuinion.

BTW...a good point has been raised. In season 2 we see Angel living a pretty drab life at the Hyperion in the 1950s - and a similar life in 1943 - but it was a far cry from living on the streets and eating rats like he was in the early 1990s before he met Buffy!

Has it been explained, or is it yet to come - what happens to Angel to bring him so low???

More great Spike quotes: "Well yo ho ho, and swab MY deck!" :mad:

*flips off a bossy Angel, Brit style* Heil Hitler! :rolleyes:

Save the last one if you haven't seen the ep! ;)
"So....you 'turn' him so he can save the ship, THEN you throw him out and make him swim to shore before ol' mr sunshine burns him a new one.....you're STILL a d!ck!"
*Angel glares at Spike and indicates the exit hatch*
"...bollocks...." *climbs out*

[Kyle Katarn]

And next week....totally stupid concept, but they couldn't have picked a better preview, with Puppet Angel - the 'wee little puppet man!' throttling Spike while Spike is laughing his ass off while they roll around! :D

[Seldomseen]

MKblue: If you read UnicornBlood's post (and your own use of quotations, I might add), you'll find that Unicorn thought that Angel and Spike didn't see each other, after their falling out, until season two. And this is a fair thing to say, as it is common knowledge (well, until just tonight) that the last time Spike and Angel were supposedly together was before Spike rebelliously broke away from Angelus, and that the next time they met was supposedly in Sunnydale. I'm pretty sure Unicorn knew they knew each other well before then, generally speaking. In any case, tonight's episode has managed to stay true to continuity and explained why Spike "really" met Angel in Sunnydale. And both of you, it's Prinze.

Wow, tonight's episode featured one of the more poetic badguys for some time coming. Last time I remembered such angst was in the episode, Heartthrob, which featured a literally disheartened vampire bent on revenge against Angel.

Also, we know that Angel went "underground" after this mission, so that partially explains the sad state of affairs he was living in, but like Kyle said, that all happened mostly in the nineties, so we're still sort of in the dark on the matter.

BTW, Kyle, you do know that you could just as easily amend your post by using the 'Edit' feature, instead of making an entirely new (double) post, don't you? Well, if not, then yes, there is an edit button you can use. Because all I see is someone trying to up their post count. But don't mind me. I'm just musing ...

The Human Research Initiative??!!! What.

Memorable quotes:

Spike: "Angelus ...! They'll let anyone in here."

Angel: "Siddown over here, Prince of Lies."

Angel: "Yeah, you're real old. Just calm down." At least, that's what I think he said. I couldn't really remember this one. That PoL is one funny vamp. A tribute to Nosferatu, no doubt. Fits the time period, too.

Spike: "Anybody read Nazi?"

Angel: "You're the only one I did this to ... after I got a soul."

Guy from Behind Enemy Lines: "Come on, Chief. Give me a mission." Poor guy. No soul, no purpose. That's the worst feeling one can feel, in life or in death.

[PsychoMike]

Actually the last time Spike and Angelus saw each other (before 1943) was In China during the Boxer Rebelion 1899. I think it was Darla who sent Angelus away finally.

I thought Angel had been living off of rats since at least the 70's. I believe something like that was mentioned in "Ophelia"(?) Last season when Angel had his soul returned

[Seldomseen]

Orpheus, but yes, you may very well be right. Frankly, I was disillusioned with Angel at the time. I don't know, I have no other word to describe how I felt about the show. It was just, well, dirty.

[Radiohead]

i liked the episode. not alot, but it was pretty good.
i like spike more than any other character on angel so it was great seeing him being his usual william the bloody (awful poet) self.
i wished we had seen the host in this episode. he's funny.
i liked the exchange between spike and angel when he had his sire and spike get off the sub.
the trailer for next week looked great. angel as a puppet biting spike as they roll around on the floor. great stuff.

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
[B]WHERE YA BEEN, Kobolos?! :D


The story would take a page to tell. :)

Anywhoo, I was just discussing Spike with Mrs. Kobolos the other day when she mentioned "Why would Spike be a Nazi?" (He's a vampire, why wouldn't he?) and I jokingly said "Maybe the Intiative wasn't the first time he was chipped..."

Just re-watched Buffy:

episode 4.7, "The Initiative," Spike woke up in a cell in The Initiative and was told by another vampire that there were scientists there who did experiments on captured vamps...

Spike wondered who was behind the scientific experiments and the capturing of vampires:

"The Nazis, the government, a major cosmetics company?" is what he said in what was originally a humerous throwaway line which Drew Goddard used here to show Spike did actually believe it could have been Nazi's based on his experience . How's that for continuity?
Incorporating a throw away line from four years ago.

Next week's Ep is written by Big Ben "The Tick" Edlund, and I for one can't wait.

Just please god let them have one line....Puppet Angel, Puppet Spike....

"Hang on let me put my brother on the phone..."

[carnage4u]

I thought the episode was good. Nothing amazing, but a decent story across the boards. Next week does look like fun,

[UnicornBlood3]

Originally posted by MKblue
man u are lost, they knew eachother way before then.


No I knew that. I was talking about after Angel got his soul but it doesnt matter I just thought that Spike would find out he had one but he didnt so it doesnt matter.

But yeah it was an okay eposide.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Seldomseen
BTW, Kyle, you do know that you could just as easily amend your post by using the 'Edit' feature, instead of making an entirely new (double) post, don't you? Well, if not, then yes, there is an edit button you can use. Because all I see is someone trying to up their post count. But don't mind me. I'm just musing ...

The Human Research Initiative??!!! What.


Yeah...I just hit 'reply,' I assumed that 20 minutes after my first post that someone else would have posted by then - being a night that a new ep just aired...

And didn't they say they were the Demon research initiative? I assumed they were part of what would become "The Initiative..." especially with the Nazi control chip research being mentioned.

[Seldomseen]

You're probably right, as I had the volume on the telly at a minimum; any more, and I might have started annoying some of my housemates. I heard "human" although it seems more reasonable that he said "demon". What was I thinking? :rolleyes: By the way, you assume much considering all you added was one sentence, instead of at least a small paragraph.

[MKblue]

THIS JUST IN :cool:


Episode 5.18 Return of Connor
Airdate: Winter/Spring 2004

At W&H, Wesley asks to see everything the firm as on a Cyvus Vail. Vail is an ancient demon, wrinkled, leathery skin, dark-red in color, long scraggly hair, and gold eyes. At his mansion, Vail sits on a part-throne part-hospital bed like chair with a spiderweb of intravenous tubes running into his arms. As he slowly removes them, the body of a demon warrior comes crashing on a wall near him. Vail sees a good but pissed Angel. Angel killed all the guards he could find while making his way to Vail. He uses the intercom to order one of his man to send everybody that is not dead home but the man was killed by Angel. Vail admits to Angel that he was trying to kill Angel's son... Connor. He wanted Connor to understand what he, Connor, is capable of. Angel inquires on how Vail knows about Connor... he built him. Wesley tells Lorne about Vail as he is reading the file. Vail oversaw all the magical playes on the West Coast... then some sort of reality shift and... huh... it happened the day Team Angel took over W&H... Vail now tells Angel how he built Connor, or actually, Connor's memories because he needed family memories to ensure that he would remember a past when Angel made the pack with the Senior Partners. Vail wants Sahjhan dead. Angel says he locked him away in an urn (see episode 3.17). Vail has the urn and wants the demon to die because urns break, demons return. Vail then shows Angel a box that, if broken near someone who had his memories altered, would bring old memories back. Angel accepts but a prophecy tells that only one person can kill Sahjhan... Connor.

[Kobolos]

Just for verification (I only get to see the episodes for Smallville and Angel the night after everyone else)

it definately was Demon Research Initiative. Mrs. Kobolos was making comments like "He's very "DRI" isn't he?" Oy...it was a painful hour with her on board. :)

[Alien]

Originally posted by MKblue
THIS JUST IN :cool:


Episode 5.18 Return of Connor
Airdate: Winter/Spring 2004

At W&H, Wesley asks to see everything the firm as on a Cyvus Vail. Vail is an ancient demon, wrinkled, leathery skin, dark-red in color, long scraggly hair, and gold eyes. At his mansion, Vail sits on a part-throne part-hospital bed like chair with a spiderweb of intravenous tubes running into his arms. As he slowly removes them, the body of a demon warrior comes crashing on a wall near him. Vail sees a good but pissed Angel. Angel killed all the guards he could find while making his way to Vail. He uses the intercom to order one of his man to send everybody that is not dead home but the man was killed by Angel. Vail admits to Angel that he was trying to kill Angel's son... Connor. He wanted Connor to understand what he, Connor, is capable of. Angel inquires on how Vail knows about Connor... he built him. Wesley tells Lorne about Vail as he is reading the file. Vail oversaw all the magical playes on the West Coast... then some sort of reality shift and... huh... it happened the day Team Angel took over W&H... Vail now tells Angel how he built Connor, or actually, Connor's memories because he needed family memories to ensure that he would remember a past when Angel made the pack with the Senior Partners. Vail wants Sahjhan dead. Angel says he locked him away in an urn (see episode 3.17). Vail has the urn and wants the demon to die because urns break, demons return. Vail then shows Angel a box that, if broken near someone who had his memories altered, would bring old memories back. Angel accepts but a prophecy tells that only one person can kill Sahjhan... Connor. So does that mean Connor is back for more than one Episode or not?

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Seldomseen
By the way, you assume much considering all you added was one sentence, instead of at least a small paragraph.

Sir yes Sir, it won't happen again sir! :p

[Steve125]

Angel's been cancelled!!!! According to aicn word is spreading that it is official, and the cast was just informed!! NOOO!

UPDATE: confirmed on www.thewb.com

[Alien]

Originally posted by Steve125
Angel's been cancelled!!!! According to aicn word is spreading that it is official, and the cast was just informed!! NOOO! I saw that coming but... NO!!!

[Steve125]

Ahh this is so brutal! Is there enough time to get SMG over to Angel for the finale or something? or is it too late. We at least need confirmation on the Buffy situation.

[Alien]

The article at www.thewb.com says they were given time to rap it up so I wonder how they'll do it, or if they’ll keep it open for future TV movies.

[Kobolos]

Let me get this straight....."I Dream of Phoebe" is already renewed for next year....but Angel is cancelled?

In the words of the Poet Jason Mewes...The whole world is against us man, I swear to God.

[spiderman_2k]

Oh man that really sucks...:(
Buffy and Angel both gone.

[Alien]

I thought Angel would last at least another season before being cancelled but I knew it wasn't far off.

[Steve125]

Here's a petition circulatin on TheWB message boards. Prolly won't do much, but supposedly it worked for Farscape. It already has almost 5000 signatures, so couldn't hurt.
http://www.petitiononline.com/ai5d0162/petition.html

[Kyle Katarn]

F*(#$)#$@$#%#(%@$#*$#^(%#($@#)$(!!! :evil: :waa:

For what it's worth, the petition is moving like wildfire, at least at the moment...! And there seem to be a ton of fellow North Carolinians on it...!

[MKblue]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(


HAS DROPPED DEAD!!!!!!!!!!

NO :shock: :waa:

HERES A PETITION, EVERYONE MUST SIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?angels6

http://www.petitiononline.com/ai5d0162/petition.html

SIGN BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Maximus]

Why the hell is the piece of crap show Charmed still on the WB and this gets cancelled? This blows.

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by Maximus
Why the hell is the piece of crap show Charmed still on the WB and this gets cancelled? This blows.

Because Cahrmed is produced by Aaron Spelling and if Aaron want's to keep a show of his on TV the network's say how long do you want it on.

I was just the 6300 Signature for the Petition.

[sphericthor]

Well the petition is moving fast because I just signed at #7234

[MKblue]

www.saveangel.20fr.com

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
Because Cahrmed is produced by Aaron Spelling and if Aaron want's to keep a show of his on TV the network's say how long do you want it on.

Not always so. Kindred: The Embraced didn't even get to show all their episodes.

Hindsight is always 20/20 my friends, and this is no different....it was all there, I just didn't see it.


Took forever to renew last year.
Just celebrated 100 episodes, Syndication deal is DONE.

Now there is one final piece in the puzzle, the show that will take it's timeslot I'm sure:

Dark Shadows.

The WB Puts A Stake In Angel
www.barnabasundead.com/

The WB has decided to give executive producer Joss Whedon proper notice to wrap up storylines, as Smallville's Wednesday night companion Angel's current season will be its last.

"For the last seven years Angel and Buffy the Vampire Slayer have been cornerstones of our network. The sum total of the work done on those shows has produced some of the proudest moments in our history," said WB president Jordan Levin. "(But) like some of the great series that are leaving the air this year, including Frasier and Friends, the cast, crew, writers and producers of Angel deserve to be able to wrap up the series in a way befitting a classic television series and that is why we went to Joss to let him know that this would be the last year of the series on the WB. We have discussed continuing the Angel legacy with special movie events next year, which is still on the table."

Interestingly, this contradicts Levin's comments at the January 13 Winter Press Tour for the WB, where he had this to say about the possibility of two vampire shows on the network, and if they would interfere with one another: "We haven't seen Dark Shadows yet," he said. "What was interesting about that is that anytime John Wells walks in the door and says he's excited about wanting to do something differently - in this case, a gothic soap opera, you know, based on Dark Shadows - I think that's something you're obviously going to pay attention to. I think that two shows could co-exist. One is an action-adventure franchise, and one is a very gothic soap opera franchise."

Either way, it could be quite possible that Angel's dusting could pave the way for his timeslot be taken by another vampire who will hopefully take a bite into the ratings.
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Petition is up to #7848

I found this interesting as well:
http://whedonesque.com/?comments=2704

They didn't even tell Joss about Dark Shadows, he heard it second hand then the WB Pres took him aside and apologized...oh yeah, the writing was on the wall. They cancel a show what? three weeks after a TV Guide cover? After it was tauted as one of the top ten things on TV PERIOD? WTF?
_____________________________

Being up at 4am sucks.

From the E! online with Kristen thing, Feb 6th.
http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Archive2004/040206.html

David Boreanaz
And after that? Another season?
It's the same thing every season: You don't know. I think our show is open to another season. I'm proud we've gotten to 100. But I'm really itching to explore other characters and do other projects. I think I've been stuck in this medical school for a while, and I need to open up and get out. I look forward to that, and there's part of me that wants to explore. I don't know. I always evaluate that at the end of every season, and I will at the end of this one. I'll think about where I'm at when it's time.

James Marsters:
Another season--yay or nay? What's your gut feeling?
That is a political game. There are bosses, and bosses above bosses, and I'm so glad I'm not involved in that decision. But our product is solid, and it's pretty amazing. I think we could go another 100.

Joss Whedon:
Do you feel there's more life left in the show?
Totally. I may not feel that way at the end of next year's season, but right now everyone feels vital and excited. We have a lot more paradigm to cover. If they cancel us, we'll go out with a bang, but if they don't, we'll just keep bangin'.

[IamMrDJ]

WB has stated that they would like to continue Angel with TV Movies starting as soon as next year. I doubt that they will make more then a couple if they ever come around. I mean the Pretender was canned a couple years ago and they promised us TV Movies every couple years but after the 2nd TV movie aired it was gone for good and they left it so unanswered.

The petition is up to 10165 signatures right now.

[UnicornBlood3]

:waa:
OMG! I'm so sad now! God damn them! This is the only show left for me almost! God this sucks! We will never get the Buffy thing cleared up! ahh damn damn damn! :(

NOOOOOOOOOO! :waa:

Okay rant over...Even though I don't like Conner, I'm hoping that he'll come back, just to clear up some things. If they get Buffy to come back...I might forgive them a little..hmm yeah only a little! Or at least someone from Buffy to come..aww gosh this is so depressing!

I'm #3558

[Radiohead]

*******s.
i cant believe i work for warner bros.
****ers.

[rayzor09]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Sorry... :hehe:

[Alien]

Originally posted by Radiohead
*******s.
i cant believe i work for warner bros.
****ers. You work for the WB? What d'you do?
http://www.saveangel.20fr.com/images/doil.jpg
Ah, the Old Days of the 2 Irish men. Doil rocked.

[Blizzardman15]

I truly cannot believe that this is happening. The Buffy franchise has been something that I truly loved to watch and now that I just started watching Angel (just got the third season on DVD today) they do something stupid like this and cancel a great show. Im trying to go in order and I am currently on Buffy Season three so im not exactly an expert on the Angel storyline. Can anyone tell me with the current situation on the story of Angel if an ending to the story would seem possible.

[MKblue]

Originally posted by Alien
You work for the WB? What d'you do?
http://www.saveangel.20fr.com/images/doil.jpg
Ah, the Old Days of the 2 Irish men. Doil rocked.

Did you get that from the SAVE ANGEL site I made?

www.saveangel.20fr.com

anyway, i refuse to watch this Dark Shadows replacement

[Alien]

Originally posted by MKblue
Did you get that from the SAVE ANGEL site I made?

www.saveangel.20fr.com

anyway, i refuse to watch this Dark Shadows replacement You can tell that from looking at it's URL

[Klimber]

Petition is at 15899 as of the last 5 minutes.

[BKB#1]

:lol: :hehe: I think this is funny and I wouldn't worry about it cause in the world of cable TV and sattelite, someone will pick it up on another station like TNT or TBS... This is nothing but a thing folks...

[JediPaul]

Yes but Roswell was saved twiced and then finally got cancelled, and that only lasted 3 seasons. Angel's a great show and doesn't show any sign of going downhill, which is pretty much what Buffy did after season 5, the last two seasons weren't nothing special. I hope that Angel lasts for one or two more seasons like Buffy did.

[Kobolos]

I keep hearing a rumor that UPN had a clause in their Buffy contract that they get first dibs on Angel. Anyone know anything about that?

[IamMrDJ]

Originally posted by Kobolos
I keep hearing a rumor that UPN had a clause in their Buffy contract that they get first dibs on Angel. Anyone know anything about that?

They do but it is unlikely that they will pick it up. They were tired of Buffy and Joss when Buffy ended his prices per episode got pretty high and UPN was getting tired of paying it.

[Kobolos]

I didn't think they would- Not to mention, they didn't exactly like the tone of the show after leaving WB. But she died, what are you gonna do?

I was more interested in seeing, the chain of command legally....like: "WB has said no more, who has next dibs in negortiations.."

[Kyle Katarn]

21,647 sigs...

With time so short, d'you think they'll get into what happened to cause Angel to go from a somewhat normal life in the 40's, 50's thru whenever, to the back alley dwelling, rat eating loony he was when he was introduced to Buffy?

Hmm...I was trying to think of other shows that have been 'saved' - only one I could come up with was La Femme Nikita. Any ideas how they did it?

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
21,647 sigs...

With time so short, d'you think they'll get into what happened to cause Angel to go from a somewhat normal life in the 40's, 50's thru whenever, to the back alley dwelling, rat eating loony he was when he was introduced to Buffy?

maybe in novels or whatever comes after....if they are up to episode 18 spoiler wise, that leaves 4 episodes to wrap up the Wolfream & Hart stuff, and that's about it I think.

and man....21, 647 is a most impressive number....

[React24]

Some one please tell me petitions do and have actulla yahlped save a show

[carnage4u]

online petitions only do nothing

[TrueWatcher]

Some of the members on my chat board, myself included, believe this was a snowball action based on unacceptable actions (as seen by the network PTB) performed by JW while making his series and very poor network choices.

Why else would someone of JW's caliber as a TV master entertainer be treated by having all 3 TV series of his design mostly unceremoniously booted from the airwaves?

Cost? Possibly a factor, but he has made this season of Angel on a shoestring and has mostly done whatever they have asked. (This is a factor if the new budgets for Dark Shadows and Lost in Space had drastically handcuffed the network.)

Show fatigue? Not really, since they forced him to reinvent Angel, so I consider it a 'new show'.

Actor Issues? Haven't read about any except the rancor borthed for Charisma and SMG PR handling.

The PTB wanted an un-arced show, to draw new viewers. JW did that. They insisted he insert the character Spike to draw on BtVS's popularity by using its anti-hero. JW did that. He also changed the whole look of the show by moving to the new HQ of W&H.

Unfortunately, JW has been and is still a rebel at heart, a fanboy and TV master entertainer. I think the rebel got the better of him and he irritated the PTB and they wanted to bring him down a few notches. And here's why.

1. No season long arc? No problem. JW has used small arcs as I think he doesn't really like stand-alone episodic TV. I tend to agree with his choice. Episodic shows are the process of dumbing down the viewing audience. I personally believe these types of shows kill a series, as I can miss them to do other things and not have to think about anything when I do watch them. The X-Files began as just a MOTW show and its rating showed that. When it acquired the huge alien conspiracy arc, its popularity soared.

2. Since they have handcuffed him this season, he uses one or two episodes to make subtle jabs at their attitudes. He did this quite frequently on BtVS (re: Double Meat Palace, as one example which got him into trouble).

3. JW series, though phenomenal and unique, did suffer from his absence. He spread himself too thin to control the various aspects and it showed in some of the BtVS episodes and in Angel as well.

Now, on the other hand, this could all be boiled down to network miscues and mismanagement. Why else would they make all these changes to the show, lobby and get the TV guide spread and tout the 100 episode arc, then turn around 360 and can the show? It's No. 2 show, at that?

On the surface, it looks like conspiracy. But underneath, it's all about faulty business and who answers to whom. Both JW and the PTB can wallow in the blame game this time.

TrueWatcher (http://nubbins.hyperboards.com/index.cgi)

[MKblue]

AT LEAS THEY ARE TRYING TO GET BUFFY BACK

The WB has sentenced Angel to death. The network announced late Friday that the Buffy spinoff would end its five-year run in May. Network CEO Jordan Levin said he wanted to give series creator Joss Whedon enough notice so that he could "wrap up [Angel] in a way befitting a classic television series." He also hinted that the show's legacy could live on next season in the form of "special movie events," adding that such an idea was still very much "on the table." Now for the $25,000 question: Might the series finale feature a reunion between David Boreanaz's Angel and Sarah Michelle Gellar's Buffy? As TV Guide recently reported, Gellar nixed an offer to reprise her signature role this May. Of course, it's a Slayer's prerogative to change her mind. Stay tuned...

http://www.tvguide.com/news/entertainment/

[Kobolos]

that was really well written True Watcher...it's a welcome change from my mad ramblings. :)

[carnage4u]

it was a good first post. that is for sure.

from what i have read on many sites. Angel was costing less per episode this season and had better ratings.. that is just what makes this all the more confusing.

[Kobolos]

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=17015

Buffy-Angel on the big screen?
(talk about full circle)

[Kyle Katarn]

Yeah! **** WB's patronizing "TV-Movie" offer - If there's ever a Buffy/Angel movie, it needs to be done RIGHT.

[JediPaul]

Does it bug anyone else that Wesley's character was made to be a wimpy Bristish guy in Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 3?

Wesley's character's great in Angel and nothing like his Buffy counterpart.

I think that James Marsters does a good British accent and Wesley does a good job in Angel but as soon as he showed up in Buffy, it was a piss take, firstly know one talks like that in Britain and it was clearly an American thinking he could do a British accent. I'm glad that Wesley's character had the chance to prove himself and I thought he was awesome in season 4.

[carnage4u]

He started off that way on Buffy and even first season of angel.

his character just developed very well

[Kobolos]

Originally posted by JediPaul
Does it bug anyone else that Wesley's character was made to be a wimpy Bristish guy in Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 3?

Wesley's character's great in Angel and nothing like his Buffy counterpart.

I think that James Marsters does a good British accent and Wesley does a good job in Angel but as soon as he showed up in Buffy, it was a piss take, firstly know one talks like that in Britain and it was clearly an American thinking he could do a British accent. I'm glad that Wesley's character had the chance to prove himself and I thought he was awesome in season 4.

And how about Anthony Stewart Head's fake dialect...it was clearly a Londoner thinking he could do a tweedy, ascetic Librarian accent. My goodness. :)

[IceGambit]

I am actually indifferent to the news of the cancellation. I refuse to sign any petitions or anything like that, because Season 5 has been pitiful. I prefer to just enjoy the magnificent first our seasons on DVD.

There has been no real plot that lasts longer that an episode this year, no character developement, and the show feels much more mainstream/comedic/hollow. I say just let the show die with a little bit of its former dignity left instead of getting it renewed so that a 6th seaosn will continue with the crappiness. I guess Angel just isn't Angel without either David Greenwalt, Tim Minear, or Mere Smith around.

[TrueWatcher]

*waves at Kobolos and MKBlue*

Thanks, guys! ;)

I have followed the JW shows intensely and am one of those that loves 'arc' structure (how else can you analyse the season? LOL!)

One thing a lot of folks don't realize is that some of the characters were 'throw-away' ones at first. But due to fan popularity growing immensely in a short time for them (Wes & Spike are prime examples), JW reconsidered their places and then had to develop some realistic history for them.

I was wondering if we should start campaigning for The Ripper spinoff if Angel isn't picked up by another network.... just a thought. If Dushku's Tru Calling is eventually cancelled, he could attempt again to get her to do the other spinoff with Spike.

Question: I have a feeling that Eve is really one of the Senior partners, and not truly human. She gave up her info too soon into the Harmony torture, IMHO. Any thoughts before large spoilers become available online?

Cheers,
TW

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by IceGambit

There has been no real plot that lasts longer that an episode this year,

You can thank the WB for that - I understand that was one of their 'gripes' with the show, so Joss tried to make them happy. That worked out swell, huh? :(

[MovieChick]

What I think is the worse part about this whole cancellation is the fact that after this, the Buffyverse will be gone, unless they make the show Ripper for the BBC but at this point it seems very unlikely.

[Kobolos]

And let's all salivate again over the thoughts of Ripper (which I've wanted to see happen for years now. ) :

Ripper, the current title for the proposed Buffy spin-off series on BBC2 that would follow Giles and a new team of acolytes as they solve dark, twisted paranormal mysteries in England.

Don't know if anyone else saw this:
http://www.bronzebeta.com/Archive/BronzeArchive1076801504.htm
Soon after the announcement, Joss Whedon spoke out about the decision over on The Bronze site:

"To answer some obvious questions: No, we had no idea this was coming. Yes, we will finish out the season. No, I don't think the WB is doing the right thing. Yes, I'm grateful they did it early enough for my people to find other jobs. Yes, my heart is breaking.

As far as TV movies or whatever, I'm not thinking that far ahead. I actually hope my actors and writers are all too busy. We always planned this season finale to be a great capper to the season and the show in general. (And a great platform for a new season, of course.) We'll proceed ahead as planned".

[carnage4u]

now that i have been thinking about all this for a few days, well im still sad.

angel was my fav show on tv and only 1 of like 4 shows i even watch on tv.. now i have less reason to watch tv.

[pixiness]

I'm a little sad about the cancellation - but as been's said, I've not been really impressed with this season. I suppose all good things must come to an end eventually. :(

[carnage4u]

I think this season has been very strong. but im a big spike fan.

I think the ep with Wes and his father was one of my favorite and the 100th episode was very strong.

plus tons of spike.. Spike beating angel finally was nice. He normally gets to lose at everything. good to seee him have a winning moment.

[TrueWatcher]

Now that we have all had time to let this slimey bad Angel news ooze into our brains, maybe it's time to put everything about the Jossverse into perspective.

1. Angel officially will end it's current run after this season. Unless another network picks up its option soon, Angel will join BtVS in the rerun and DVD universes.

2. Various spinoff possibilities exist that I have heard of, but sadly probably won't be viable for a year or two: Ripper, starring Anthony Head (currently doing stage work) The Faith/Spike show, cross country adventures (w/Andrew? ED currently stars in Tru Calling, but cancellation looms) A Willow spinoff, starring Alyson Hannigan (also on stage, but with a comedy pilot in the works)

(Note: Nicholas Brenden had a failed pilot, M. Trachtenberg is quite busy with movies, SMJ as well. JM has his band and some more movies he may be involved in. DB has more movies on his slate. The other Angel cast? Not much news to report.)

3. Firefly may have new life as a feature movie, and some rumblings of show revival can still be heard.

4. JW completed his comic feature Fray and is going to work on some X-Men stories.

5. JW has worked as a story massager for feature films (Speed, Alien 4, A Toy Story) and will do so again, as well as his own movie visions.

With this background, it seems to me we will have an extended wait for any new TV shows by JW and Mutant Enemy, unless they have some other shows gestating at this time.

[UnicornBlood3]

I really like this season of Angel..Like carnage, I'm a huge Spike fan!

[JediPaul]

I a big fan of Angel. It's sad if the show gets cancelled, although i think that 5 seasons is a good run.

I would just wish that this season was better so far. There's been about 5 episodes aired over here in the UK so far. I don't care to much for individual plot lines, i like a seasonal arc, season 4 was fantastic and had great episodes. So far, the episodes have seemed kinda hollow and try to be more funnier.

[carnage4u]

my problem with a season arc

Lets use season 4.
Thats a great example of a full season arc.
cordy stuck in dreamland(done very lamely)
they bring angelous out(done well)
twist with cordy evil (up for debate, but i pissed myself when she killed lylah)
Then we get beast killed and the sun back, angelous back to angel with some faith (this was the best part for me)

then we get jasmine(worst waste of a month) The arc wasnt a bad idea, just took 4 weeks to long. season end was great with death of conner(sortof) and taking over the firm.

These arcs can be good, but you gotta be willing to sit thru the slow build up.

last season of buffy was great, but so many weeks of just waiting for something big to happen got annoyong.


i like a mix of both.. Give us a fair amount of single based episodes, then give us some longer story arcs.

season 5 of angel has longer arcs as well.

They linsey thing took up a good month.
characters are still evolving nicely

[Kyle Katarn]

"Joss has completede Fray and will be working on some X-Men stories...."

Does that mean he's taking over New X-Men from Grant Morrison?!?!?!??! OFFICIALLY?! Geek Orgasm looming!!! :D :applaud:

[rayzor09]

again... mwahaha!!! :hehe:

[JediPaul]

I prefer stand alone episodes in the begining of the season, then the episodes to focus on the main arc, leave it for bit in the middle of the season with more stand alone episodes then just go right to the conclusion from the last few episodes 'til the end of the season.

Season four was great in my opinion. It had some good episodes in the begining, then it just went onto a great seasonal arc. Cordelia arrives back in town with slight amnesia from her experience as a higher being. The Beast arrives on the scene, kicking the **** out of everyone. Angelus returns, we get the twist of Cordy been the one pulling the strings. The best fight scenes out of Angel, with Angelus, The Beast and Faith. Then we get a great conclusion to the season with the Jasmine storyline.

I never hated Connor, his character never bothered me. I thought he was a good character and he too had some great scenes, everyone got to shine in this season, Wesley was awesome, Lorne, Fed and Gunn too.

So far in season 5, everyone seems disconnected.

[UnicornBlood3]

The only part I liked about season 4 was:
*Faith coming back
*Conner going "buh-bye"
*Angelus making a return
*The beast was okay but I was hoping that Cordelia really was evil

Hated the Jasmine thing...it seemed so unreal

[Kyle Katarn]

lmFao!!!!!! I almost peed my pants during tonights episode!!!

May you brun in the fiery pits of HELL, WB executives!!! In what other show would you find a puppet with an attitude problem that calls someone a d**kwad, and tells another he's 'gonna rip you a new puppet hole!' :eek: :lol:

Spike was in this ep for a total of maybe 5 minutes, but it was the 5 most hilarious minutes of Angel I've EVER seen!!!!

And Gunn's little 'lapse' last week...How ironic that I saw the season 3 ep where he sold his soul for his truck, and NOW he *may* have sold it in order to fix his 'smart implant!'

[Colorado Cajun]

Yeah I'm with you Kyle. Why in the hell would you cancel Angel but keep some of the other crap they have on

Very stupid call if you ask me

[Kyle Katarn]

I was shocked until I realized they were the same people that gave us "Batman & Robin..."

[Kobolos]

very cool episode...

BTW:

Anyone think the artifact that Gunn is going to get released from customs will be the same one that spells Fred's demise? OoooOoooo the cruel irony.


http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/criticscorner/2004-02-17-critics-corner_x.htm

regarding "Smile time" : "It's a great episode, which makes the news that WB is canceling the show that much harder to take. Still, you can't blame the network. It has to make room for the next Tarzan, Birds of Prey or Fearless — or, even better, for yet another attempt to clone Dawson's Creek."


PS.

WB head Jordan Levin on the real reason for cancelling Angel:

Levin also said the rapidly changing economics of network television played a big role in the decision to end "Angel." Skein doesn't repeat well, and Levin anticipates having to double run one or more dramas in primetime next season --- as well as add more reality programs to the Frog's mix. "We have a lot of veteran shows that are aging, and we're going to have to make room for new programs," Levin said. "I know this will make lots of fans unhappy. But we have to have more at-bats, and we need to create timeslots where we can repeat shows (the same week episodes premiere.)"

I posted the Postcard thing in Save Angel info, go check it out-

and did I mention?
41118 Total Signatures
http://www.petitiononline.com/ai5d0162/petition.html

[carnage4u]

kobolos.. i like your idea on next week

[UnicornBlood3]

Last nights ep was great! I'm kinda scared of puppets now! I agree with Kyle..I loved the short time that Spike was on there!
"You're a wee little puppetman!"
:funny:
I wish he would of been more in the ep..

BTW Kobolos that would be a shocker if that happened!

I read somewhere but I don't remember where that someone is going to die this season..I have a strong feeling that maybe it will be Gunn? Hmm who knows..Just a thought

Can't wait until next week! Looks like its going to make me have tears :(

[Marvin]

I pissed my pants during last nights episode.

jeez, when I saw him walking, and his little feet.

it's was just a brilliant move.
The character was made for this kind of stunt.

I loved jim hensons stuff as a kid, and it was all present here.

the way he move his fingers, the swagger, and the eyebrows,

kudos.

one thing I would have done different....at the end of the episode, they should have tuned Spike and cliffhangered it...."bloody hell!"

[UnicornBlood3]

Oh god I remember him walking now!
That also made me laugh :lol:

The spike thing would of been funny!

[Marvin]

I laughed so hard...

[Kyle Katarn]

A bump on the postcard thing...

http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=3258

And again - does anyone know how they 'saved' La Femme Nikita for one more season a few years ago???

[carnage4u]

i am 1/2 suprised they didnt turn spike into a puppet too, but maybe they thought, that would have been a step too far.

I loved the puppet that wes was figthing at the end..

[Klimber]

Originally posted by Marvin
I pissed my pants during last nights episode.

jeez, when I saw him walking, and his little feet.

it's was just a brilliant move.
The character was made for this kind of stunt.

I loved jim hensons stuff as a kid, and it was all present here.

the way he move his fingers, the swagger, and the eyebrows,

kudos.

one thing I would have done different....at the end of the episode, they should have tuned Spike and cliffhangered it...."bloody hell!"

How about when he pulled his nose off? That was one of the best parts.

[Steve125]

Originally posted by carnage4u
I loved the puppet that wes was figthing at the end..

Horatio Hornblower!!!! lol I loved the honking sound he made.

[Kobolos]

Info about UPN talks and the end of Season 5 in the "save angel" thread.

[Steve125]

New episode tonight! According to aicn there is at least one Buffiverse death in tonight's episode. Supposedly there's more....but I haven't heard anything.

[Kobolos]

Remember, I called it regarding Gunn! Mwa ha ha ha....Karma sucks.

[UnicornBlood3]

Aww :waa:

Omg...This sucks...Aww :(

She's dead right? :waa:

[React24]

Originally posted by Kobolos
Info about UPN talks and the end of Season 5 in the "save angel" thread.

where is the save angel thread i cant find it

[Kyle Katarn]

UnicornBlood - as far as I know...YES! :waa: :waa:

When Wes finds out...Gunn is f'n DEAD!

It's one thing to go out on top, but when it's getting this good.....DAMN!!!!! :evil: :(

[Paraphrasing Spike] Hey Levin! How many fingers am I holding up?! *flips off WB CEO* :mad:

'Save Angel' thread (http://comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24888)

[carnage4u]

Yesh

I think Wes is going to kick Gunns ass for what happened.


good episode.. good writing

and Cavemen would win.

[Radiohead]

for those of us who missed us, please fill us in on what happened. thank you.

[HeadHunter]

I like Angel....the show i mean...i dont actually fancy him.....

[Kobolos]

Dark Wes!
Dark Wes!
Dark Wes!

[carnage4u]

ok

this is what happened

Mini version
Fred gets infected by a mummy coffins that gets delivered late night to W&H. she is being taken over by a demon.
The put all the firms work into finding the cure. Wes even shoots a guy in the leg because he was working another case. angel and Spike go to linsey old place to try to find if he had anything to do. they find Eve there, which gives them a clue its an ancient demon before time.

Angel and spike go to europe to a well of darkness or time(i froget the name of it) to try to pull the demon back. Meanwhile gun learns that it was his item that got out of customs that caused this and Freds assistance in the lab( forget name) was the reason this happened. I belive gun either killed him, or beat him to near death after hearing that)

at the end.. angel and spike have a choice after fiighting some guardians of the well.

they can suck the demon back into it, but it woudl kill everyone its in path from LA to England, where the well is.. so they do nothing.

Meanwhile at freds home, wes spends the last few hours of Freds life with her. very sad scenes.. Really emotional.. Fred dies,

Demon takes over fred.. Now we have Super Evil Blue Hair, Demon fred.

Next week i belive

Wes may kill gun when he finds out what gun did, even though it was not on purpose

[Cartagia]

According to spoilerslayer.com (about something everyone has theorized about next week)

Wes doesn't kill Gunn, but messes him up badly (stabs him I believe), and Knox isn't dead... yet (the preview showed him with blood running his face). Wes gets that honor next week as well.

[Klimber]

You know I kind of know how Loren's power works but
after Fred got infected but before she got sick what happened on the stairs that caused Loren to turn around and Fred to cough up blood

also

who was the guardian of the well and why did Angel know him? Oh and Spike was funny as hell in intereactions with the guardian guy

[carnage4u]

yeah i really do hope that

Wes gets to Kill knox and makes it painful, I was impressed how vicious loren got too,, They really picked the wrong girl to hurt and get the whole gang crazy, and i know wes wont kill gun, but im sure he will come close

[Kyle Katarn]

:( I missed the first half, with Lornecold-cocking Eve - and Wes shooting the guy.... ..and even Angel and Spike's 'who would win in a fight between cavemen and astronauts' debate!

Can't wait for next week!!! "..do you have something to tell me..? :eek:

[Juxton]

Originally posted by Klimber
You know I kind of know how Loren's power works but
after Fred got infected but before she got sick what happened on the stairs that caused Loren to turn around and Fred to cough up blood

also

who was the guardian of the well and why did Angel know him? Oh and Spike was funny as hell in intereactions with the guardian guy

Lorne reads anyone when they sing, and the more powerful or important the reading, the better he can read them (sometimes it's so powerful they don't even need to sing). Lorne started singing "You are my sunshine" and Fred picked it up and sung, too, that's how Lorne read her, and it happened to coincide with the first signs of her being sick.

I don't think the guardian of the well has appeared before. Apparently Angel knew him from way back or something.

What I want to know is, is Fred really gone? Or will they find a way to reverse what happened? I hope this isn't a repeat of Jasmine. There hasn't really been a season arc this time around.

[carnage4u]

I am not sure

I think they are killing her dead ead, but that leaves the show with so little female presense, which i guess since there are only like 6 left it does not much matter

btw bad news

NO NEW Angel after next week.. we get extra hours of smallvile for rest of march.. 5 weeks of no angel..

its practice for not watching wb anymore.